Midnight Knocks on Many Doors

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adyaryan — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:00:53 GMT

China, as expected, has obstructed all Foreign media from reporting on the violent suppression in Tibet in their paranoid way of keeping Bad News out of the Worlds News coverage. There is only one way to deal with this: Boycott the News Coverage of the Beijing Olympics. DO NOT report a single Olympic event. If the Chinese favor press Censorship, let them have it in full measure. Tibet is a case in point, where the Chinese do not want any bad news to seep out of their restricted world. After all, it was decades after the Great Earthquake that killed an estimated 800,000 Chinese that the news was allowed to be spread beyond the most local borders. Even the Chinese in other sections of the country were kept ignorant of the immense devastation. Paranoia and Cointrol appear to be uniquely Chinese characteristics, even befotr Commiunism made it a n official policy.

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jlowell1 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:24:19 GMT

I hope that the civilized world actually has the courage to boycott the Beijing olympics. Let's make it a four country event: China, North Korea, Russia and Iran.

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KevinHe — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:17:13 GMT

Many western media made very baised reporting on the recent event in Tibet. Many ignored the very fact that it is the rioter who attacked ordinary bystander and burned shops and buses in the first place. A Canadian travelor eye-witnessed the event and put these facts in his blog

Here is the link:

http://kadfly.blogspot.com/2008/03/more-from-lhasa.html

None of the main western media bother to report on the true storey.

Shame on you!

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BobWang — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:27:59 GMT

Kevin:

A word of advise.

Attacking people is not the best way to persuade them to your point of view.

Bob

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Jim Kettering — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:30:52 GMT

The Chinese have exterminated more than 1,000,000 Tibetans during the past 49 years, and destroyed more than 5,500 monastaries.

If they don't have anything to hide, having an impartial investigative group look into what happened shouldn't be a problem.

Ask yourself: if the USA government destroyed 5,500 monasteries or seminaries, do you think people might be upset?

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rachelchen — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:58:17 GMT

To Jim Kettering:

Where did you get the number that "The Chinese have exterminated more than 1,000,000 Tibetans during the past 49 years, and destroyed more than 5,500 monastaries"? If you want to make this as a case, at least, you should give the source. Plus, do you know how many slaves were freed when Dalai Lama fled from Tibet? If you don't know Chinese history, please don't use unreliable source to accuse chinese government.

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richr12 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:15:14 GMT

It is difficult to justify the Chinese occupation of Tibet at first glance, almost akin for a larger power, the People's Republic of China, picking on a small, almost defenseless country of Tibet. First we would have to define what a nation state is in light of Tibet. Who is really to say which side picked on which, first? THERE were human rights abuses by the Tibetian against the Chinese people well before China invaded Tibet. As anywhere else in the world, noone and no nation has the right to impose some form of religion on others as clearly and chiefly the Tibetians have not only done so but with violence, a political maneuver in the name of THEIR form of Buddhism. Clearly the Chinese had put an end to whether a nation can call iteself a nation as a purely religious state as many forms of violence well into Chinese territory took form against the Chinese people, over decades. Who is really to blame? The Chinese are protecting themselves against Tibet by an armed military invasion as clearly as Tibet posed a national security threat against the People's Republic and against Chinese citizens who have nothing at all to do with the Tibetians except to have them stay on their side of the border well before the Chinese invasion. Over decades the instrusions on Chinese territory persisted only to be answered with "enough" with a Chinese established province still called, Tibet.

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leew123 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:15:15 GMT

I don't see any sympathy from this author towards the more-than-a-dozen civilians who were burnt to death by violent Tibetan mobs. And I doubt the ultimatum is a source of fear. People locked themselves in and feared to go out on Friday when the mobs were doing violence. After armed police arrived, on Monday people started to go out and go to work. So who are the source of fear?

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chefmikel — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:38:57 GMT

looks like the ccp has hired stooges to spread it's point of view. Human rights abuses by the Tibetans against the Chinese? Slaves freed when the Dalai Lama left? One can easily see the ccp has hired posters to this blog

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richr12 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:49:03 GMT

YEP, believe it or not. The Chinese have the right to walk in there and stop it and hopefully put an end to Tibet's sick religions.

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richr12 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:02:05 GMT

I'm not a communist and I don't take political orders to what to say. I have over three decades in the field of international relations. Thank you.

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chefmikel — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:16:22 GMT

rchr12 all one has to do is read your comments and see that it follows the CCP's official line. So what did the Bhuddist ever do to you?

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chefmikel — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:17:28 GMT

rchr12 all one has to do is read your comments and see that it follows the CCP's official line. So what did the Bhuddist ever do to you?

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richr12 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:19:54 GMT

That's a good question! It's another form of Buddhism. Buddhism in general exists in China without the crap that exists in Tibet. They are one of the worst people I've been in contact with.

IT's a good question, what did they do to alot of people around the world. Have you ever been in Tibet? It isn't like China where freedom believe it or not thrives and it's expanding.

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katewin — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:24:07 GMT

It's indisputable historical fact that BEFORE the Chinese, peasants and regular people under the religious regime in Tibet lived in a feudal state and were subject to much worse oppression. Not all Tibetans are the chanting peace-loving innocents the media likes to portray and westerners like to believe in.

We shouldn't blame the police for trying to stop the violent protesters that have caused innocent chinese people's businesses, homes and even family members to be beaten and burned. If the fact that they're supposedly fighting for religious freedom and autonomy justifies what they're doing, then why isn't every westerner jumping on the bandwagon to support terrorists in the middle east

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richr12 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:28:59 GMT

Tibet deserves what they're getting.

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freeallnations — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:31:21 GMT

to Newsweek reporter (and many others for that matter), I'd like to see how much damage was done to the Chinese businesses and civilians during this riot. Yes, Tibet is "under occupation",but it was under occupation for many years by many countries, the Mongols, the British and Russians even tried to fight over Tibet. I just don't like how the media have clear biase toward certain group of people when they report news, and not just Tibetans (the most noticeable American media reporting on middle east as well). I would like to see how people could just say "Free Tibet" whereas they don't even know how Tibet was run as a "nation" historically. Tibet AGREED to be part of China in 1949. It was only in 1959 land reform that drove everyone angry in Tibet (socialist reform of land was everywehre in China all the time, innocent people died a lot more elsewhere in China than Tibet alone), they refused the land reform-- China's rule was that land should be in the hands of people, not landlords. Am I a communist? Heck no! Am I someone who constantly seek out the real truth? You bet. I don't trust the media. I do my own research to understand the history.

BTW USA is a nation who tend to think about " liberating" everyone else, and never think about the aftermath (a.k.a. "Exit Strategy"), and leave the newly liberated country in chaos. So what if China says: here you go, Tibet, you get your freedom. What are they going to do? Revert back to feudalism? Serfs? No democracy? Everything's controled by Monks? can one honestly say that China had never done anything good to Tibet? Would neighboring India and Nepal be kindly enough to invest billions to have a railroad build all the way to Lhasa,to keep the communications open now that China no longer is responsible for them? Where is Tibet going to get their resources if they get their wish fulfilled tomorrow? Is it going to be billions of American tax payer's money again? As if we didn't spend enough on Iraq and Afghanistan (which btw, is going to take a looong time). I've met Tibetan people, I've been on their turf, I have to say they're one of the friendliest people on earth. I've seen their lives improved over the years with my own eyes. BTW I'm a buddhist and I really don't like how most mainlanders have no respect for Buddhism, including the government. But one must understand that life under the control of Buddhist monks were no better than communist China (imagine a certain period in the dark European age where church had too much power and corruption). How can any one (I bet most of the people who write about Tibet never even set foot there, including Bjork) just say "Free Tibet", when they don't even know what the heck they were talking about? And what happens if Tibet's free tomorrow, who's gonna help? I bet Dalai Lama's going to call U.S.A. the next morning to ask for billions in aid and then turn Tibet into a tourism circus for Westerners no better than China did (At least China controlled access to Tibet in the past and in a way preserved a lot of traditions),leaving Tibet with trashes by Western visitors, filled with crime and prostitution (as in every country that had opened up to the Western idea of "freedom", fill themselves with MTV, and is that the cultural rediscovery they were longing? I'm just sick of seeing people shout out catchy slogans about Tibet, making such a big deal out of a place that had a history so complex that nobody really know what's the real Tibet. I also hate that there are lots of hungers and suffers in Africa but nobody gave a darn about it, just b/c it won't make great headlines. And back to Tibet, I'd like to see a fair assessment of the riot in Tibet in the future, and report the suffering of innocent han Chinese living in Tibet as well.

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chefmikel — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:34:42 GMT

So budddhism is different in Tibet than the rest of the world and it thrives in the joyus freedoms enjoyed by the mainland chinese. I'm trying to decide whether you're being sarcastic or just plain blind. By the way I've been to China and the first indication of how things are is when I had my books on general religous philosphies that I happened to be reading on the plane confiscated. Freedom indeed, not when the all powerful Chinese communist party is threatened. I can see you're prejudiced against the Tibetans. You would fit in with the americans who tried to exterminate the Native -Americans

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MikeSpiker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:40:57 GMT

On that same day, I happened to run into footage of Tinetan rioters clashing with police in 3 different countries. I have doubt and question on China's behavior for a long time, but that ended when I see the truth myself.

Tibetan rioters in New York, USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rprGKO9-8&eurl=http://web./BBSView.php?=military&465248

Tibetan rioters in Belgium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-Hhv_Ve54&feature=related

Tibetan rioters in Lhasa, China

http://www.wforum.com/wmf/posts/1115786643.html

Chinese police's tolerance level is unquesitonable. With officer injured, in danger, and completely unarmed. Had those torching, looting, killing rioters been in New York, how many of them will walk home alive is a very BIG question.

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richr12 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:44:23 GMT

Now, now, I have nothing against the Native Americans, not even the Navajo. Many can't stand the Tibetians, including myself. The Chinese are just putting an end to a state that should not exist. Period. Tibetians were a threat to southern China and to themselves. A state based on religion cannot exist anywhere in the world, except maybe the Vatican, which is just a district. If the CCP has similar views regarding Tibet as a national security threat to the PRC, then they're probably right. As far as Tibetian human rights abuses and other crimes against the Chinese, I've seen it for myself.

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katewin — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:45:00 GMT

if the native americans in the U.S. suddenly starting rioting for autonomy and attacking/killing white people, what would the u.s. government do? sit back and take it? obviously the chinese police have to use force, it's common sense. Too bad the media calls that a crackdown and calls what's happening in Iraq a liberation.

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MikeSpiker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:56:12 GMT

I challenge those suppoting the rioting Tibetans to dispute my links below, and tell the rest of the world WHY the Lhasa rioters should not be punish ti the fullest of the law? 13 innocent Chinese lives ended that day. With one family's home/shop torched, the family members had to retreat to the roof. The mother and brother jumped to their death, and the younger girl, being afriad of the height, burnt to death on the spot.

Yet, our media found that acceptable and blame the Chinese side. It may be fun to be a China-basher to get your adrenaline rushing, but your conscience will catch up with you sooner or later. And if it cosn't then you have bigger problem.

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MikeSpiker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:12:20 GMT

No takers, I guess. Well, then, if you are one of our "fair", "professional" media members, please pass on the words to your next colleague that collectively, your group is already on the way to hell for lies, racism against people of Chinese heritage, and inciting bloody riots.

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danpeterson2008 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:17:02 GMT

When the Iraqis try to get their country back through ways that kill their fellow countrymen or people of a different religious background, they are called "insurgents" and "terrorists", and the occupying force/country (U.S.A.), can "rightfully" kill them, and be proud, and announce to the world that we are "liberating" them, creating opportunity, a better life for them. Geez, when the same thing happens in China, all of a sudden, it's against human rights. Humm, when the Chinese government blocked the foreign jounalists from operating in or entering Tibet, they have something to hide, while U.S. forces can simply "accidentally" kill Italian journalist in Iraq. All we have to say is, "Oops, sorry, my mistake, let's move on." Who are we to throw the first stone? China is a country that has 4-5 times our population. Do we not have our own problems to deal with? Gangs, guns, crime, drugs, racism, economy collapsing from over-borrowing, Katrina, poverty. How many believe the U.S. in its current state is really the role model for the rest of the world? Why are we still so arrogantly thinking we are better than everyone else and have the audacity to impose our values on others? Every country/government has its own problems, let's show some respect. Remember when Castro opened the flood gate and send Cubans our way? Did our government gladly accept every single refugee, or did we turn them back? That's human rights for you.

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Crusader Rabbit — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:36:48 GMT

Who are these hateful and ignorant people who are posting these Chinese propaganda comments? Tibet has been oppressively occupied for almost 60 years. Tibetan Buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world. China is an atheist country - Communism rules. Do you know what "atheist" means - they don't believe in a God of any kind. The 20th century demon Mao was their god when China invaded Tibet. During Mao's Cultural Revolution of the late 1960s hundreds of Tibetan temples were destroyed and thousands of monks murdered. The Chinese NPC (National People's Congress) proclaims that it's seeking reform and wishes friendship and peace among the minorities of the world. Well, why doesn't the Chinese govt practice what it preaches? They promise integration and equality. But integration means colonization. Colonization means that Tibetans must forget their culture and traditions to integrate. Then after they have integrated they can be equal to a Chinese person. What kind of bullshit is that? By mishandling the Tibetan situation the Chinese have politicized the Olympic Games. If the Chinese can't peacefully solve their own problems... how are they going to "control" unruly Olympic crowds - with tear gas, police & military with guns & tanks? A bullet in the back of the neck? Wake up China - it's the 21st century - all people have the right to determine their own future in their own country. A Free Tibet is the only solution to correct the gross mistakes of 20th century monster Mao. By the way Mao's rise to power was sponsored by the Soviet Union's secret police - the KGB - and the Chinese Communist Party was founded by a Russian named Grigori Voitinsky - a Moscow agent - in 1920. The Chinese people may be nice and friendly but they have been fed lies and propaganda about their recent past. Wake up China - a Free Tibet is the ONLY way out of a quagmire your Chinese Communist Party "leaders" have gotten you into. Reading these sick comments is a real turn off - who wants to go to the Olympic Games in Beijing if the Chinese have this hateful and ignorant attitude towards Tibetans? What kind of "Peace & Friendship" is that - huh? What if I'm a native American... we're related to the Tibetans you know. Will I be looked down on and treated like an animal because I'm not a Han Chinese? Think about it. I'll be writing to my city mayor, my congressman, my senator, my president urging them to BOYCOTT the Olympic Games in Beijing because they are being run by the hateful & ignorant Chinese. By their brutal and inhumane treatment of not only the Tibetans but other minorities they have politicized the games and shown their true face under a smiling-mask face. It appears China is NOT ready to host athletes from around the planet. Not this year anyway.

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wildlifeusa — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:44:10 GMT

Do not buy chinese products!! All chinese products are made cheap and they do not hesitate to poison people or animal to keep their cost down.

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Moral_Atheist — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:44:33 GMT

Having the wonderful opportunity to travel many times to China over the past 15 years, I have come to learn and respect a culture and nation that few westerners, especially Americans can truly understand. I tend to smile and bow my head when people in our society make comments about how the Chinese government does this or does that, especially with regard to human rights. First, and foremost, Chinese people need to deal with internal problems of governmental intrusion or abuse. While that may sound strange coming from an American, it is just the same very true indeed. We as Americans tend to demand that other's clean up their social ills, when we can't even clean ours up. Much worse, the atrocities that unfolded in our own continental history were, put quite simply, horrific. Our American Natives are but one culture that we try to "blindly" or self righteously change or remove. I needed to say all this before I move to my next point.

I do not believe that violence is an answer to any situation. Realizing that there is pent up anger among many Tibetan people against the Chinese, violence does not bring about anything but more violence. Peaceful demonstrations do cause more of a "thorny" issue than violent outbursts. YES, more may suffer, however, in time, through the efforts of non-violence at home and abroad more can be done.

I really would like to see the Dalai Lama struggle through International means for a peaceful resolution with the Chinese government. Violence can only remove him further and further away from the table of peace. At the same time, Hu Jintao needs to realize that China is no longer untouchable with regard to the need for a peaceful resolution. A peaceful resolution would crown him with an incredible torch to bear so brightly!

Is this an easy path? I dare not be so naive to think so, however, for the greater glory of the Chinese people and their historical cousins in Tibet, each need desperately to carve a means to a peaceful and workable solution.

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leew123 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:59:49 GMT

First, people who's never been to china have no rights to comment on China. period. CNN, faux news and AP are just as biased as Chinese communist propoganda if not worse. These media love to demonize China. For example, just a few days ago CNN showed a footage of Indian police beating protesters in the context of tibet violence, and made people think that Chinese police.

To wildlifeusa: without chinese imports, US inflation rate would be so high millions of Americans would go bankrupt. I am sure you have tons of made in china goods under your roof.

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richr12 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:06:00 GMT

The best thing for the Tibetians especially among the young is to be well educated, even to follow the Dala Lama's path to a certain point, that is to go to school, even to graduate from college, then on to graduate school, and later to earn a Ph.D. Education right now is the best weapon and even years from now. Tibetians are people but there is a disturbing side to them which appears to be every Tibetians even among groups is most apparent. They are apparently anti-everything well before the Chinese military appeared in Lhasa and they are human rights abusers which is unfortunate as a religious paradise is most apparent a threat to everyone else.

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Crusader Rabbit — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:20:29 GMT

I am repeating my comment as richr12 doesn't seem to understand what I said:

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richr12 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:22:10 GMT

We should come to expect that China isn't the Soviet Union during the Cold War era. We proven it, the Chinese proven it, without a doubt, and the media has proven it, indirectly, since they don't know what was happening during the time of the accidental bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, the downing of flight 201, the congressional protest against the Beijing games, the spying off the Chinese coast by the U.S. military, the quick U.S. military response against the Chinese naval exercises near Taiwan, a U.S. protectorate, some years ago. Today it is evident, as the progress speaks for itself, that China enjoys a higher standard of living, a soaring economy, and greater freedoms and more opportunity despite being a communist country, very unlike North Korea. The chaotic periods of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution that radicalized China and left millions dead China is well passed those terrible times. Though the government is Marxist, it has experienced of becoming a superpower like the United States which both may determine strategic areas in the world.

For the United States, many parts of the world are not considered vital areas, like the Middle East, particularly and as obviously as Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be a lifetime achievement in statecraft to unify Iraq of the Sunnis, the Shiites, and the Khurds, and other sectarians. Unfortunately we cannot leave Iraq without bringing many of al Qaeda about 100 to final justice and to dismantle that terrorist organization and to find Osama bin Laden, almost an ultimate prize for justice as he is considered the head of al Qaeda and some twisted mastermind of 9/11. It would also appear that China cannot leave Tibet for the same argument regarding criminals that need to be brought to justice, among other reasons. Though there are Tibetian terrorists not on the level of al Qaeda.

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richr12 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:28:44 GMT

Correction, I meant that there are areas in the world not considered vital areas, unlike the Middle East.

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MikeSpiker — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:37:46 GMT

Crusader rabbbit,

You can jump back to your rabi hole now - ans stay there. You forgot to check what day and age this is, and still play the "Chi Com propaganda and Chinese spy" card? Are you kidding me? When facing the truth, the rest of the world are following your lies like a dumb herd of sheeps. Understand?? Geewee. Some folks just don't know how to look at calendars.

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richr12 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:48:34 GMT

Tibet deserves China, though I realize the Tibetians are just people, many are not poltically normal. Even by Western standards a religious paradise is simply out of the question, especially when the Tibetians use religion to dominate others, many of whom were Chinese.

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Crusader Rabbit — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:59:03 GMT

I am posting my comment once again so that MikeSpiker and richr12 can read it again. Please read it word for word, instead of skipping over them. Obviously they are not native English speakers and need to practice. They are so out of touch with reality because they have been brainwashed by their Chinese masters. You two are hateful and ignorant twerps who don't know the first thing about Truth.

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richr12 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:15:20 GMT

I've never seen a more brutal people like the Tibetians, at all. Confounded on the idea of protecting their way of life, they see all outsiders a potential threat. Like I said before, Tibetians have no right to impose their form of religion, their form of Buddhism, unlike Buddhism found in India nor any part of East Asia which includes China, the Koreas, and Japan. The Tibetians have no rights to what anyone else believes whether Christian, Muslim, or non-Tibetian Buddhists. They have no right to force their will on anybody to dominate or even to wipe memories clean away to whatever holds true FOR YOU. We know what methods the Tibetians employ and there are other ways to defeat them and even renounce their own practice to mistakenly believe they are non-Buddhists as if their human inflicting ways were the only means to be a Buddhist. Their methods are horrific and a form of human rights abuses and their affliction can be felt or experienced from people around the world. Tibet deserves China as a means of eradicating this kind of practice, prohibited around the globe.

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Earthling — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:47:53 GMT

Crusader Rabbit , If you don't have anything new to say, just shut up.

Will some administrator stop Crusader Rabbit from trolling and wasting bandwidth posting the exact same baloney over and over again?

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Falcon7 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:10:03 GMT

It is pretty obvious that "anyone" that says the Tibetans are the bad guys here has their head in the sand and truly does not understand the extent of the brutality that China inflicts upon the Tibetans who are merely asking to have their own country back. My goodness, look what happen to the Native Americans, the Hawaiians and such...the anger and the ill feelings still exist inthose two peoples. The US took Hawaii and destroyed the culture ...

Beijing and the commie government is corrupt, sadistic and violent. They are oppressive to anyone who opposes their ways and beliefs. They even starve their own people. They are building an army and a military that is a major threat. They take the US money and they take the US jobs and use that to become the strongest world power while starving their own people.

They do not desrve the Olympics. They are against freedom. They have shut down any internet news items, You tube and in fact, major portions of the Internet that say things they do not like.

Are they the good guys? I think not!

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weimar — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:34:42 GMT

To Falcon7：

How do you know we Chinese have no freedom? Have you ever had a chat with any Chinese people to learn something about our country? Or you just sit in your sofa with a cup of coffee and work hard to describe our country as a “corrupt, sadistic and violent” monster? Do you know the attitude from most of our 1.3 billion people towards the riot in Tibet? Do you know the rioter fire the house of common businessman and make their children died in the fire? Can you see the father’s tear?

In your country if there are some black people who shout slogan of independence (ok, in fact they are poor than the white in average) and set fire to your house where your children live in, will you blame the police for they dispel the rioters and revile the government who sent the police?

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Red Asterisk — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:28:50 GMT

Weimar,

It will not hurt you to have some critical thinking. Don't you think that it's more constructive if instead of acussing others of the problems they have in their own country, you start thinking about the problems that are taking place in yours? There are serious problems in China, corruption is one of them, patriotism is another, poverty, pollution....acusing people of other country is not going to make the problems in China go away...that is not how you solve them, that is not how you can help improve these problems....

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leew123 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:35:29 GMT

Falcon7,

You're so ignorant it's funny. China took US money? Do you have any real knowledge other than CNN-fed propoganda. China is the largest debt holder of the US. China borrowed the most money to the US by buying the largest amount of US treasure bond. It used to be Japan that hold the most US debt. Today it's China. That's why Bush has been nice to China lately.

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tsenam — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:07:35 GMT

Here in the US everyone can express their opinions as seen in the comments here. In China especially on issues related to Tibet it is all one sided. Imagine listening to all the garbage about how China liberated Tibet, disrespectful (and false) comments about our spiritual leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama, China's version of Tibet's history etc. etc. This is only one reason why Tibetans are willing to risk their lives to cry for freedom.

As a Tibetans I can honestly say Tibetans do not hate Chinese people. Tibetans simply want freedom. China is manipulating the situation to make an issue between Chinese and Tibetan people when it is between Tibetan people and Chinese communist government.

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Baltic Boy — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:42:05 GMT

Crusader Rabbit makes the most eloquent statement, easily rising above all the prejudiced, misinformed propaganda manure being spewed by the likes of richr12, MikeSpiker, katewin, freeallnations, leew123, rachelchen, (ding-a-ling) earthling, etc. You guys are spewing forth your hatred like a bunch of brainwashed robots.

Keep posting the same over and over and over Crusader R – until these hateful stooges finally learn how to read and get the picture. Why blame the media? The protesters were armed with rocks. The police had guns. How many of the dead were stoned to death? Apparently the 26 dead near the prison were all shot dead.

For nearly 50 years - up until 1991 - the three European Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania were in the same situation as Tibet is today: occupied by an aggressive, genocidal communist regime. These three nations were illegally & brutally occupied and annexed to the colonial Soviet Empire. My parents fled their Latvian homeland as refugees and found sanctuary in Sweden. Madman Stalin threatened the King of Sweden that if he didn’t return these Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians the USSR would occupy Sweden. Unfortunately the Swedish King was afraid of Stalin and began sending the refugees back. Naturally those who were returned were shipped off to Siberia where most of them died.

Ten percent of the Latvian population: teachers, businessmen, artists, students anyone who was intelligent – were deported by cattle cars to the concentration camp gulags throughout the former USSR. Dissidents were physically and mentally tortured, maimed and murdered. Russian was the language of occupation. Flying the national flag or singing the Latvian anthem – God Bless Latvia - was forbidden.

Tibet has the same story as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Instead of deportation the Chinese just turned Tibet into a big police-controlled prison. While the Baltic nations have regained their independence, sadly Tibet is still under the oppressive Chinese communists. Tibet was occupied by another of the 20th century’s evil demonic beings – namely Chairman Mao. Naturally, Stalin supported Mao’s rise to power; Stalin and his ally Hitler also began World War II. In this new millennium isn’t it time to stop the hate, the ignorance and the greed?

Go Crusader Rabbit!!!

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cycotron69 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:48:30 GMT

There are very few unbiased news reports these days. I'm of Chinese descend, and proudly so, but I know my homeland government is not perfect, but who's government really is? So I watch both the US and the Chinese news, for the same story, I often get two fairly different reports, and I have always felt the truth lies somewhere in the middle. So for all who are debating the Tibetan protest and the Chinese crackdown of it. I wish you all learn a little bit more about the history of Tibet. Learn a little more about the Grand Lama's before Dalai Lama. Learn a little more about the Tibetan government and Tibet before 1959. Tibetan history is longer than just 1959. All I see and hear from pro-Tibetans are how the Tibetan have been oppressed by the Chinese governement for the last sixty years. Well, the first Grand Lama was installed in the 13th century, do you know what kind of the society the lama's built? And please, the media is not a good place to get your history lessons. Please know the facts about what you are debating, and not just have a pointless shouting match and hurtful accusations. Here's a writing from a Yale Ph. D about the Tibet history for starter, but you've all got Google these days, find out for yourself.

re: Midnight Knocks on Many Doors

cycotron69 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:49:46 GMT

Opps, forgot the link

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

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richr12 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:59:32 GMT

Tibet deserves China! Plain and simple!

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Cicchino — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:40:04 GMT

First let me ask: what could "richr12" possibly mean by stating "Tibet deserves China!"? This is neither plain nor simple--how about explaining what you mean, or is it too much to ask you to explain what the seemingly spiteful and incoherent "Tibet deserves China!" could possibly mean?

Second, "cycotron69" posts a link to michael parenti's website where his Marxists diatribe against the admitedly backward feudalism of pre-14th Dalai Lama Tibet is anything but an "unbiased news report" or an historical introduction! When the key sources he cites are from the communist New World Press in Peking and the avowedly socialist Monthy Review Press the results is going to be anything but "unbiased." Oddly, for a Yale PH. D (or perhaps not, as Mr. Parenti received his doctorate in Political Science, and has no expertise in Asian history), Mr. Parenti relies heavily in his "expose" on a 1964 travelogue by two communist sympathizers Stuart and Roma Golden (published by Monthy Review Press) and a book of interviews from 1959 (published by the communists New World Press in Peking) to provide the "evidence" for his essay against the view that Tibet is suffering more after the Chinese invasion and occupation than they were before. Perhaps that is what richr12 means: because Tibet had a backward and feudal society they "deserved" to be further punished by the oppression of the Chinese communist occupation and exploitation of their country. Such lucid and intelligent commentary on world events! It's a wonder I almost never bother to comment in these sorts of venues.

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Cicchino — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:45:16 GMT

The last name of the authors of the 1964 travelogue mentioned was Gelder not Golden.

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smartguy — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:39:44 GMT

Hypocracy. Hearsay report.

Look at the riot photo, and look at how CNN P.Sed the photos. Look at German BILD used Nepal photo as Tibetan evidence.

IT's a shame for media, including NW, to report with bias. Totally bias.

It's a shame for people living in such hypocrat nation entitled with freedom and democracy, and believe in lies like WDM exist in IRAQ and Hussain tied to Al-Qaeda.

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Crusader Rabbit — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:03:50 GMT

Thanks Baltic Boy for those revealing words of wisdom. I am posting my comment once again so that those who are foaming at the mouth with racist propaganda can read it again. Please read it word for word, instead of skipping over them. Obviously they are not native English speakers and need to practice. They are so out of touch with reality because they have been brainwashed by their Chinese masters.

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richr12 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:12:01 GMT

To Cicchino,

Read other comments I made, it should answer your questions. Additionally, It is inevitable of any large power to exploit its defenseless neighbor, like Tibet. Also, China has proven that Tibetians are ethnically Chinese in case anyone wonders about Mongolia and China. As it is also proven, violence is not the solution against a very firm, communist, MILITARY regime as China. Read also about the education solution. If I was a foreigner in Tibet I would not be in Tibet. If I was a Tibetian, I would find a way to leave Tibet... for an education. I was in Tibet a few years ago and I've met emotionally charged, hypocritical, and frustrated people. There is nothing else to be done. I STRONGLY recommend to allow Ph.D.'s specializing in all sorts of social science fields to handle to situation on both sides. It is highly recommended for those who are less specialized to stand down under this crises, otherwise it may, as it may inevitably escalated as it already escalated. Let me allow also to say that people are people whether they possess a Ph.D. or not and there are misguided people holding Ph.D.'s that fail to command or to lead any suggestions of violent, civil discension.

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richr12 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:42:06 GMT

The Cold War is completely over and as others have firm memories of Stalinism with the secret police knocking on people's doors and other, what we consider today, as violations and other human rights violations as human torture, the others should allow themselves to heal, if possible. Maoism is different more radicalized than its Western counterparts those found in Russia and the former Eastern bloc countries. But even THAT'S over starting with Deng Xiaoping's four modernizations, mostly agriculture and the economy, at first. China evolved through its reforms sidestepping its primary economic reforms for a more balanced approach with economics, social problems, and environmental damage due to industrial growth. There are more freedoms and opportunities under authoritarian rule as the Industrial Revolution was purely a Western experience. There's a prevailing argument whether democracy is good for economic growth as China leads a modern command economic structure with President Hu Jintao's more balanced approach, as already mentioned. There is obviously something wrong with the violent, civil, strife taking place in Tibet as it is lead by someone, I believe a Westerner who thinks he has a Ph.D., similar situation that took place in the Tiananmen Square uprising and later, a massacre resulted from these misguided, rightest, Ph.D. The political, soon a military resolution would prevail under a Chinese flag. The area is the area what can be done about it? These misguided Ph.D.'s will lead thousands of people to their deaths as the case in Tiananmen Square, several years ago. Which can be strictly avoided altogether as the strife shouldn't have started as we all know Tibet's present circumstances under China. Beijing vows that Tibet will always be with China as its future will be with China and as Tibet is under China's sovereignty which we all recognize. Violence is mistakenly not the PATH to "liberate" Tibet from Chinese rule.

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richr12 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:48:46 GMT

The violence and rioting in Tibet is clearly not the solution to "liberate" itself under Chinese rule.

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richr12 — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:56:48 GMT

Tibet deserves Communist China!!

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Baltic Boy — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:51:45 GMT

It seems that richr12 has no idea what he's blogging about. Stalinism is very much alive in the Russian Federation today where Chechens are being exterminated, according to Uncle Joe Stalin’s plans. Read PUTIN'S RUSSIA by Anna Politkovskaya who was murdered for opposing Putin. As for Chairman Mao - he was even more brutal than Stalin and to make China a Superpower he was willing to kill half of the Chinese people. He made everybody a slave so he could push his own personal plans to be an emperor. Under Mao millions and millions of Chinese were tortured, murdered or starved to death so Mao could stay in power. Read MAO: THE UNKNOWN STORY by Jung Chang & Jon Halliday to get all the gory details. Mao made hundreds of mistakes (if not millions). To correct one of them – the illegal occupation of Tibet – should be a priority for the current Chinese communists. After all we are living in the 21st century, not the Dark Ages of the 20th century when dictators ruled and human beings were just slave labor. Wake up brainwashed children of China and tell your ignorant leaders that enough is enough. Tibet is for the Tibetans!