Level Up's Top Four Gaming Tidbits for Oct 24th, 2007

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xjake — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:26:06 GMT

That would be three gaming tidbits :P

And not to excuse Romney, but he's not the only one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-tI97bvNk

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harrison25 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:22:06 GMT

he's one of the only candidates who isn't pale white, he's thin, he has a very slender face, and his first name is one letter away from Osama...

tbh, I wish the american populace would accept that our foreign 'policy' is somewhat responsible for 9/11.

Had we not armed Irael and did we not continue to arm Israel with nuclear weapons, tanks, aircraft, munitions, etc, radical fundamentalist muslims would leave us alone...

but since our country is run and comprised of radical fundamentalist Christians, that won't be happening anytime soon, so we'll just keep fanning the flames.

and to everyone who would like to increase the dichotomy between video games and politics, you can't. If gamers don't accept that they must become politically active in defense of their hobbies / lifestyles, Rupert Murdoch's News networks and governments around the world will take those things away.

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nilsper — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:26:18 GMT

Hey N'gai -- since I see it in *every* comments section, let me make a request. Post a guide, comparing the game related positions of the various presidential candidates. There's this idea floating around that game journalists should be aggressively apolitical. But that seems crazy when, to me, one party has clearly staked out a very strong anti-games policy.

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joeboy101 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:42:09 GMT

Harrison - Pop Quiz: Which two public figures in the past two elections spoke out the most against video games and freedom of those game developers?

Answer: Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman. Somehow, they are not striking me as radical fundamentalists Christians.

And if we had not armed Israel, there would BE no Israel. Whether you're fine with that is another discussion.

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SuperEffective — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:52:54 GMT

Tipper 'hasn't been relevant since the 80s' Gore and Joe 'Essentially a Republican' Lieberman, huh? Pretty unpersuasive.

Cause every time I turn on Fox news, or my local Fox affiliate, I see anti-gaming content all the time. And, last I checked, Fox was taking its talking points directly from the White House and Focus on the Family. I'm not saying you can't find badness on either side of the aisle, but the badness seems very, very concentrated on the 'values voters' side, if I'm not being too euphemistic.

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joeboy101 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:35:51 GMT

Super - I watch Fox and last I checked, I saw a story on gaming only if something big happened, like the whole hot coffee scandal with Rockstar. Where are all these stories you keep seeing?

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/23/esrb-partners-with-washington-guv-on-parental-awareness-campaign/

'Ironically, Washington is one of nine U.S. states which have passed video game sales legislation in recent years. A 2002 bill sponsored by Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson (D) was later overturned by a federal court. '

http://www.gamepolitics.com/legislation.htm

Some sponsors of varied video game legislation aimed at restricting content, harsher fines for retailers who sell to underage customers, or larger/modified warning labels:

Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D) Michigan

Sen. Hansen Clarke (D) Michigan

Sen. Sandra Pappas (D) Minnesota

Rep. Jeff Johnson (R) Minnesota

Rep. Jim Ward (D) Kansas

Aurelia Greene (D) New York

Rep. Brian Kolb (R) New York

Keith Wright (D) New York

Dave Mejias (D) New York

Rep. Helene Keeley (D) Delaware

Sen. Henry Marsh III (D) Virginia

Sen. Julia Boseman (D) North Carolina

State Sen. Doug Stoner (D) South Carolina

Sen. James David Cain (R) Louisiana

Rep. Mike Shelton (D) Oklahoma

Roy Burell (D) Louisiana

This is a sampling of a legislative map that covers federal and state represenatives. Feel free to examine the rest, but BOY it sure likes like a right wing mac attack, doesn't it!? Shew doggies! In case your counting at home, that's 13 Democrat sponsors to 3 Republican sponsors. Sorry, but restriction of content in gaming is predominantly Democrat.

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SuperEffective — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:08:02 GMT

Joeyboy: there was the 'DS for predators' story out of Milwaukee Fox, Jack Thompson on the Mike & Juliet show, Jack Thompson on FNC itself... you posted a gamepolitics link, and that's where I've come upon most of these stories.

I'm saying: is it Newsweek, or Time, or NYT pushing the 'games as murder simulators' line? It's right wing outlets, every time. So you can show me a bill that even *I* don't disagree with being pushed by Democrats, or you can admit that the reality is that the anti-gaming journalism has more than a whiff of right wingness to it. Sorry that bothers you, but it's too obvious to really debate much.

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joeboy101 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:45:18 GMT

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HeartbreakRidge — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:56:24 GMT

Another political link on the same side of the fence as usual. Well, at least it's predictable. I'm sure you'd be happy to point out that the verbal gaffe is bipartisan, seeing as how Teddy Kennedy did the same thing? Right? *crickets*

On a technical note, is it just me (and/or Firefox) but are comments getting cut off on the right side?

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joeboy101 — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:52:46 GMT

Heartbreak - Actually, I think its your connection. My blank post was a power loss to CPU on my side.

Super - I think you're confused and are thinking this is the NeoGaf Forums, but just because you say debate has ended doesn't change the fact that your whole stated basis of rightwing crusade against gaming is that you see Jack Thompson in FNC a few times. That's your whole basis? Because Jack Thompson is on TV? And NO other outlets provide him a platform? Like... MSNBC? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18200203/ Oops. Its only Hardball, right? Well, let's try something else, like CNN? http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/22/videogame.lawsuit.ap/ Hmmm. What about a network maybe? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18220228/ Well, lets be honest, that's MSNBC again. I mean, its not like he's on the Today Show, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey--3YV6FCw Yeah. Its just FNC. The Internet's a big place, Bub, try googling first. 'But wait, JoeBoy,' you might say, 'its not like the networks are agreeing with him. They aren't pushing the evils of video games.' http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/04/60minutes/main678261.shtml http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5480557 http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/23/senator-va-tech-fallout-will-focus-on-guns-games-mental-health-issues/ (Oh, Look, another prominent Democratic Senator waxing ominously about games) http://gamepolitics.com/2006/12/13/tivo-alert-jack-thompson-on-abcs-nightline/ Super, the only place the debate is over is in your own closed mind. Prove me wrong, start throwing out some links. Some facts more than Jack Thompson shows up on FNC. And I agree, Joe Lieberman is pretty marginal nowadays, but I seem to recall Tipper Gore's husband recently won some kind of award. Kinda gives her a platform if she wants it. But hey, forget that. Do you think Hillary Clinton is politically relevant? http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-clinton-game_x.htm Naw, that would be silly. She'll never go anywhere, right? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6047750.html That's Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, and Dick Durbin. But their just in the right-wing pocket, right. The 'Net is more than just Porn, dude. Read some things, even some stuff you might NOT agree with. Its stunning what you might find.

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harrison25 — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:54:25 GMT

is anyone having strange text errors when trying to view comments from firefox?

it's better with internet explorer on this post however.

text runs off the right margin so i can't read it.... =(

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harrison25 — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:10:31 GMT

Personally, i think any presidential candidate would throw gaming under the bus to gain more appeal... minorities always bite the curb in a republic, all except the rich, of course =).

Sadly, the day when it won't be universally lauded to claim earnest disgust for the heartless monsters that video games are transforming our children into is a long way off...

ultimately, no political candidate loves you, they love results, and if saying something or doing something is popular, then when in rome....

what far-fetched hypocritical public policy will you stand by next? whichever garners me the most new votes without alienating my base.

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SuperEffective — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:01:48 GMT

Oh man. "This ain't NeoGAF, son." Niiiice.

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joeboy101 — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:53:09 GMT

harrison - I agree with you, especially with this latest crop of candidates that they'd send their Moms COD for a bump in the polls. But I do think the age of just screeching about the evils of videogames and expecting applause from the press and the public is coming to and end. After the VT shootings, of course, Jack was around the nets making an ass out of himself, but I found alot of editorials telling him to shut up and media coverage more neutral than it has been before. Keeping in mind that the average age of the video gamer is close to or over 35 making for a more mature audience and that games have greater penetration than what they use to be. Sure, there are ultraviolent games that everyone will condemn, but they do that for ultraviolent films too.

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harrison25 — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:23:56 GMT

so, it seems like the best thing we can hope for is more neo-mcarthian idiots like thompson making asses out of themselves on television?

it's too bad sony and rockstar couldn't have worked something out to secure a ps2 release for manhunt 2... just because walmart won't stock it doesn't mean people won't buy it.

if we can't convince the esrb to give games mature ratings, then we can increase the social acceptance of mature rated games... sony should have allowed the game to be released. nintendo too, but of course we all knew that wasn't going to happen.

Personally, i thought bioshock was more controversial and gruesome than manhunt 2, not to mention being in high definition. i was happy to see such a fantastic game receive and M from the ESRB. in general, the ratings board seems pretty arbitrary when giving out the AO in my opinion... probably just because it was a rockstar game... paying them back for the hot coffee debacle.