Criticizing Obama, Iraq Vet Helps McCain Online

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RHinGA — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:20:35 GMT

We're back to "wining" the Iraq war it seems. That's impossible. We lost the day Sadam fell. If John McCain knew the difference between Sunni and Shiite, he'd understand that. The minute Sadam went down, the Shiite's won, along with Iran. Sadam was the only thing standing in Iran's way from regional domination. We might as well build them a 4-lane highway from Teheran to Bagdad. Now, they're just waiting for us to pull-out, probably from national bankruptcy from being there in the first place. When are we going to learn that you shouldn't jump in the middle of someone else's civil war. McCain should know that from being a lousy pilot in Nam.

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McCain04 — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:22:01 GMT

Run Forrest!

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Iota1963 — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:35:02 GMT

Even though I don't agree that America's freedom was at stake in Iraq, Mr. Cook has more than earned the right to speak freely about whatever subject he wants. I still don't understand why over 4,000 Americans had to die, nor am I sure if America's freedom was under attack by Iraq, but again, Mr. Cook, you have my respect. I wish you the best this country has to offer. You deserve it.

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billyb — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:48:57 GMT

As a retired Army Viet Nam vet, I certainly appreciate service man Joe Cook's message and video. I honor his service to his country, his committment, his sense of mission, his bravery, his dedication to his fellow soldiers, his suffering, and most certainly the worry and anxiety suffered by his family while he was in Iraq and during his long recovery from his wounds. I honor these same qualities in John McCain.

However, I think Cook's perspective is about as long as the range of his rifle, or perhaps as far as he could see from his foxhole. No way do I, anyother American who opposes this war, or Barack Obama discredit or dishonor the servive, sacafice, or deaths of our service personnel---anywhere. Who does descredit our people and their families are the politicians who stupidly took us into this war. I do and have always agreed that we should have gone into Afganistan to hunt down the people who brought terror into our land. But, as long as I live I will not accept the ever changing alabis of why we are in Iraq. Joe Cook sounds just like a lot of disgruntled Viet Nam vets who believe their country betrayed them and their wounded and dead (55,000) comrades. But, in the mid to late 1960s when were we loosing 500 to 1,000 personnel a week- toan enemy everyone knew we could not defeat morally or physically--negotiation and let it go was the best option. Having served in Korea in peacetime and seeing much of the countryside and having walked over several mountain top battlefields, I have always especially honored and respected the Korean Police Action vets----33,000 dead---and we don't even call it a war. The best perspective to understand the horrors suffered by the Korean service personnel is to look at pictures of soldiers with the 10,000 yard stare. I seriously doubt any one who served in Korea, or who was there in the summer of 1953, said it was a dishonor to halt the killing and maiming. I understand thingsare bad to the people serving there, but, I have never seen a picture of Iraq personnel with the afore mentioned 10,000 yard stare. Lastly, in Viet Nam I saw young men, actually old boys, come into the fire bases lugging 80 pound packs, plus rifles, grenades, ammo, etc. after two or three weeks of humping the boonies (rice paddies, jungle, or mountains) physically or mentally exhausted. I think they all would have voted to come home!!!!

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denverdave — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:09:45 GMT

This is the same old tired blather we heard in 2004. Arguing for proper use of force isn't dishonouring the vets. Nor is the flexibility to change.

Besides which, we're *not* winning. McCain still hasn't defined what "winning" is, other than "no Americans dying". Well, we can have no Americans dying easily enough...just withdraw. The metric we were sold on was that the war in Iraq was to punish those who attacked us on 9/11 and to prevent another attack. It turns out, those who attacked us on 9/11 were not in the country, and attacking Iraq has made us less safe. So, we've already lost, and there is no winning, except maybe to first convince Osama Bin Ladin to come to Iraq.

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boooomer — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:44:07 GMT

real americans will voto J OHN MC Obama has flip flop so much that show he anut job

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ApostasyUSA — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:02:00 GMT

Oh yea? I disagree completely. I also think this video is a piece of propaganda.

Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama

"Army Specialist Jay Navas contributed $250 while deployed in Iraq, but it wasn’t over the Internet. "It took some effort to get that check. I had my mom send me my checkbook and I walked to the post office in Camp Liberty in Baghdad with an envelope addressed to Barack Obama in Chicago, Illinois," he said.

"He was right on Iraq long when others were jumping into the sea like lemmings, and that’s hard to do. We’re soldiers and we respect courage."

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html

What about the VETO proof GI bill that McCain was against?......many Democrats and many Republicans supported that bill. CAN'T DENY THAT RIGHT?

........Why, when Congress finally comes together to agree on something, McCain stood with the Neo-con Republican tragedians of our country to stop the bill? I don’t get it...........

McCain has lost his way. He supports bringing the troops home, in body bags for a hundred years...............

He wasn’t tortured in Viet Nam, according to his own republican standards; he received advanced interrogation techniques, of which he approves of nowadays.

Where are the REAL Republicans?

He said: "When you call the Iraqi war a mistake, you disrespect the service and the sacrifice of everyone who has died promoting freedom."

That is a disgusting lie!!!!!! Here's what Powell thought when it was his turn:

"Our senior officers knew the war was going badly. Yet they bowed to groupthink pressure and kept up pretenses. ...Many of my generation, the career captains, majors, and lieutenant colonels seasoned in that war, vowed that when our turn came to call the shots, we would not quietly acquiesce in halfhearted warfare for half-baked reasons that the American people could not understand."

Colin Powell – During Vietnam

Remember:

"It is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-Hermann Wilhelm Göring

re: Criticizing Obama, Iraq Vet Helps McCain Online

38thParallel — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:52:54 GMT

Service Honored...One Question Remains...

U.S. service men and women of all races and political affiliations, who wear or have worn the uniform, respectfully honor the unselfish service performed by all fellow soldiers, including 23-year-old Joe Cook's.

However, criticizing any politician, mother, father, sister, brother, or the like for not wanting 4,148 U.S. fatalities or the numerous wounded soldiers resulting from "Operation Iraqi Freedom" may be inappropriate, even when others "believe" that sacrifice necessary.

Anyone versed in the plethora of covert tactics and apparatus that could have been used to eliminate any threat posed by Saddam Hussein would reach a conclusion similar to that of Senator Obama.

For instance, the distance from Earth to Mars varies considerably from 36 to 250 million miles (re. orbit).

If NASA can "vividly" see "the 'tracks' on a rover" or "Spirit's lander" on Mars, surely the U.S. could see Saddam Hussein swimming in one of his lakes or taking a stroll on Earth...and taken out through covert means!

My question: Is the Republican Party taking advantage of the soldier's naivety concerning covert tactics and apparatus to create propaganda in a failed attempt to win an election or are they simply respecting his right to dissent?

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thehappyamerican — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:12:00 GMT

Mr. Botti. Notice how there are responses here where the first thing said is a seemingly heartfelt thanks to you for you're service... then a "But" or "However" and this is exactly how Biden talks, too.

Unequivocally, thank you for your service and your message! I'll try to pass the word on in the face of lesser people who would urinate on the Aids Quilt if they could blame the stain on a General, and to controvert the operations of the United States Armed Forces in the eyes of our fellow Americans.

Biden's rhetorical format is interesting as we shall see, with frequent "BUT!"s inserted and then you get to guess!

Was everything he said before the"BUT!" a lie in this instance? OR, was everything he said after 'BUT!" a lie in that instance?

Americans are great people! America a great country!

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rockye — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:47:51 GMT

LET ME TELL YOU....WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND UNDERSTANDING TO THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS WHO ARE FIGHTING AND HAVE RETURNED FROM IRAQ:

I WAS IN THE MARINE CORP INFANTRY IN VIETNAM IN 1967. I FOUGHT IN SOME FIRE FIGHTS FACE TO FACE WITH THE COURAGEOUS VIETNAMESE SOLDIERS WHO SAW US AS INVADERS IN THEIR COUNTRY. THOUGH THEY WERE COMMUNIST AND OUR ENEMY, THEY WERE STILL HUMAN BEINGS LIKE US. I GOT TO SEE THE HORROR OF WAR AT ITS BEST IN THE BATTLE FOR THE HILLS WHERE A LOT OF MARINES DIED. I GOT TO KNOW THE SMELL OF DEATH IN MY ARMS AND IN MY FACE AS PIECES OF HUMAN FLESH HIT MY FACE WHILE FIGHTING IN THE QUNG TRI PROVICE. I SHOT TWO VIETNAMESE SOLDIERS POINT BLANK WHOM I HAD INJURED WITH A GRENADE. RIGHT AFTER THAT FIREFIGHT, TWO OF OUR OWN FIGHTER JETS FIRED UPON US KILIING TWO OF OUR MARINES A FEW YARDS AWAY FROM ME.

ASK ME HOW I FEEL WHEN I GET FLASHBACKS. I STILL CRY WHEN I AM ALONE, FOR I KNOW THAT NOT EVEN MY WIFE AND CHILDREN WILL UNDERSTAND OR FEEL OR EVEN VALUE WHAT I WENT THROUGH FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ASK OTHER SOLDIERS HOW WE WERE TREATED WHEN WE GOT BACK "TO THE WORLD." ANTIWAR DEMONSTRATORS THREW EGGS AND TOMATOS AT OUR TAXIE AS WE WERE LEAVING EL TORO AIR BASE IN CALFIFORNIA.

HOWEVER, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A REASON FOR AMERCIAN VOTERS TO VOTE FOR ME OR McCAIN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE, ESPECIALLY FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WAS AN ELECTED JUDGE IN A COUNTY IN TEXAS FOR TWENTY YEARS, AND I NEVER USED THE CONCEPT OF BEING A WAR HEREO AS A QUALIFICATION FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR ME. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN USING THE CONCEPT OF BEING A WAR HERO FOR OUR GAIN… THE REAL HEROS ARE THOSE THAT DIED IN COMBAT! WE ARE VETERANS WHO DID OUR DUTY AND WE SHOULD LEAVE IT AT THAT.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN: WHEN THE DEMOCRATS WIN, THE PEOPLE WIN!

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vstillwell — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:30:59 GMT

I was a soldier, my dad was a marine and both my grandfathers were soldiers. We're all veterans. NOT ONE OF US ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN. NOT ONE! While some people think it's glorious for our nation to be in a constant state of combat overseas, we don't. It sucks.

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lancegwsmith — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:32:27 GMT

Good thing McCain supported the new GI Bill, which gives an extensive increase in new benefits to Veterans. Oh wait, he DIDN'T!

As a veteran myself, the last thing I'd want to do is GO BACK to the Persian Gulf.

I served for six years, did my bid for King and Country, and now I'm going to college -- where I can take classes that teach me about the logic of an argument, and how under a false premise - the conclusion must be false.

The premises in which we went to Iraq were false. This war is an error, an idealogical farce concieved by neocons who serve the Military and Industrial complex.

To support our troops is to not send them needlessly into battle -- to wage war on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Let's support our troops by bringing them home, giving them the medical care they deserve, and the chance to succeed.

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saxon33 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:09:05 GMT

No, you don't rescue a fireman just as he's about to save a child, but you do arrest the "arsonist" who set the fire.

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sheikwil — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:37:35 GMT

I wonder will he keep supporting McCain when his butt gets deployed over and over again, of if he is hurt, he will remember then that McCain voted against the GI bill to support it fully.

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