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Posted Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:52 PM

Spain: Did McCain Know What He Was Talking About?

Andrew Romano

 
¡Ay, caramba!

All of a sudden, John McCain has a problem with Spain. In an interview Monday with Radio Caracol WSUA 1260AM, a Spanish-language station from Miami, the Republican presidential nominee was asked whether he would "be willing to invite President Jose Luis Zapatero to the White House." This should have been an easy question for McCain to answer--because he's answered it before.

Speaking to a reporter from the Spanish newspaper El Pais back in early April, McCain said, "this is the moment to leave behind discrepancies with Spain." (President Bush has yet to hold a formal bilateral meeting with the center-left Zapatero, who withdrew troops from Iraq shortly after taking office in 2004.) "I would like for [President Zapatero] to visit the United States," McCain added. "I am very interested not only in normalizing relations with Spain but in obtaining good and productive relations with the goal of addressing many issues and challenges that we have to confront together." Sounds sensible enough, right?

Except it's not what McCain said Monday. Instead, the Arizona senator responded to Radio Caracol's question with some boilerplate about being "willing to meet with those leaders who are friends and want to work with us in a cooperative fashion." Pressed to be more specific, McCain simply repeated his talking point: "I can assure you I will establish closer relations with our friends and I will stand up to those who want to do harm to the United States of America." Needless to say, that's an unusual way to refer to a European democracy and fellow member of NATO--as confused Spanish commenters have pointed out in the days since McCain's remarks broke overseas. Especially if you've already said that you "would like" its leader "to visit" the U.S.

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How to account for the candidate's newly noncommittal position? As far as I can tell, Spain hasn't done anything since April to offend McCain--nothing, at least, that would move the European country off of his "must normalize relations" list and into some indeterminate gray area between "our friends" and "those who want to do us harm." That's why I can't help but think that what seems like a reversal was simply a misunderstanding.

Listening to the exchange again, it sounds as if McCain never quite knew who or what he was talking about. Maybe he misheard "Zapatero" as "Zapatista" or "Zapata." (The interviewer had a thick accent.) Maybe the name didn't ring a bell. Either way, McCain seemed to assume that after a long conversation about our enemies to the south--folks like Fidel Castro and Hugo Cesar* Chavez--he was being asked about yet another Latin American bad guy. That would explain why he cited Mexican President Felipe Calderon as an example of a "cooperative" friend; referred to his past work "with leaders in the hemisphere"; and said his decision to meet would be based on "the importance of our relationship Latin America and the entire region"--because he wasn't referring to Spain, or Europe, or Zapatero at all. In this interpretation, McCain was never quite clear on which country and leader Radio Caracol was asking him about and was simply sticking to platitudes to avoid making a mistake. 

That strikes me as an understandable error--at least initially. It's not unusual for a politician to bluff his response to a misheard question, and McCain was vague enough not to say anything diplomatically disastrous. Unlike the liberal blogosphere, I don't think this incident exposes him as a foreign-policy fraud (or senile old coot) who doesn't "doesn't know who the leader of Spain is."

For me, the problem is what McCain and Co. did after the apparent misunderstanding: they claimed that he had understood all along. According to top foreign-policy adviser Randy Scheunemann, "there is no doubt Senator McCain knew exactly to whom the question referred." The candidate's vagueness, says Scheunemann, simply reflected the fact that McCain does not want to "rule in or rule out a White House meeting with President Zapatero" and is reluctant "to spell out scheduling and meeting location specifics in advance." Given that McCain has already said he "would like for [President Zapatero] to visit the United States"--and didn't use the "scheduling or meeting location" excuse in the interview--Scheunemann's explanation strikes me as unsettling no matter how you slice it. Either he's telling the truth and McCain was deliberately (rather than mistakenly) comparing the Spanish prime minister to the anti-American leaders of Venezuela, Bolivia and Cuba by saying he'd be "willing to meet with any leader who is dedicated to the same principles and philosophy that we are for human rights, democracy and freedom," and then pointedly refusing to include Zapatero (a democratic leader) in that category. (I won't "rule in or rule out" whether Spain is the enemy.) Or Scheunemann is covering up McCain's confusion with spin, which means the campaign is willing to complicate its candidate's foreign-policy positions--and his potential relationship with a major European ally--to avoid exposing him to (comparatively minor) charges of ignorance. Or hearing loss. Or whatever.

Option One--McCain's stance on Spain has become needlessly derogatory for no particular reason--suggests that he's erratic. Option Two--McCain is willing to adopt a needlessly derogatory stance simply to protect against the perception of a gaffe--suggests that he puts politics before policy. Either one strikes me as a far more disturbing error than mishearing--or not recognizing--the name Jose Luis Zapatero.

And that is a problem.

*D'oh. Stupid mix-up. Good thing I'm not running for president.


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Posted By: cibeles (September 24, 2008 at 1:34 PM)

A couple of articles from El Pais where you can notice how they are starting to criticise Zapatero because of his ineptitude dealing with the economy, there are more but since this incident you suddenly have made him look nice and criticising towards him has been reduced

Quietismo http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Quietismo/elpepiesp/20080918elpepinac_10/Tes

translated via Google

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elpais.com%2Farticulo%2Fespana%2FQuietismo%2Felpepiesp%2F20080918elpepinac_10%2FTes&sl=es&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

and short version of previous link

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mk2eb

And another one Austeridades http://preview.tinyurl.com/4ffc5m

translated via Google http://preview.tinyurl.com/4j3oym

People within the Labour party in Spain are starting to considering him a liability and McCain seems to be aware of that, he had the interview in April with a very specific newspaper from country and that is very revelling if you know about politics in my country.


Posted By: cibeles (September 24, 2008 at 1:06 PM)

You are speculating way too, much about what he meant. I have listened to the interview and read a significant amount of articles about this and neither he looks senile nor confused.

The problem you have about that interview is that you don't have some details about my country, I'm spanish.

McCain had the interview in April with El Pais, a newspaper belonging to the PRISA group and PRISA is also the owner of Radio Caracol the ones making the interview. PRISA was the one pressing for the question, and yes Spain tends to be considered or taking into account when there are issues referring to Latin America, because we speak the same language and we have more relations and contacts with them than any other country.

The other thing that will help you to understand McCain's answer and give you an answer about what has changed since April, is that PRISA even though is ferociously pro Labour party in my country (Zapatero is Labour party), since April they have started to criticise Zapatero and might be not trying to support a Conservative government in my country but a replacement of Prime Minister within the Labour party. If McCain does not have the best opinion of Zapatero personally under those circumstances he might not feel so compelled to be friendly with Zapatero, hence his answer.

This proves two things he might be more aware of international politics than many people realise in your country, and most people in your country, are only showing ignorance about my country.

I hope this helps to clarify the answer McCain gave and clear any misunderstandings about the whole issue.

In any case I do not live in America, but just reading the Internet and the kind of comments made by the average American about the whole issue you might have won a significant amount of votes for McCain that where previously considering support for Obama. This whole affair and the stupid way it has been conducted by the media in your country only shows the lack of arguments you have against him and the lack of arguments you have to support Obama. None of the explanations about it can stand a close examination or make any sense.

Again you are winning McCain votes with this, and the economy right now is more important for the people in your country than this.


Posted By: jbleezee (September 19, 2008 at 9:56 PM)

SBfromCA -

This problem with Fannie May and Freddie Mac started before Bush ever came to office.  The current adminstration told Congress about this future mess long ago and what it would do to the housing market and the economy.  But like I said, the Democrats that run Congress didn't allow any legislation to pass to help this disaster we have witnessed now.  The Do Nothing Congress.  But you go ahead and keep blaming the Bush Admin for your problems.  It's easy to do.  Because democrats don't know what it is to take on responsibility and admit that they were wrong about anything.  Exactly what I have just stated was reitterated on MSNBC this morning.  Can't believe they even allowed it to be said on their station.  Know the facts before you talk out your A$$!  But hey, congrats to all democrats that stand behind their stupidity.  Now the current adminstration gets to bail out your F%CK up.  And guess who gets to pay for it?  ALL OF US!!!  And guess who got a sh^tload of money going towards his campaign directly from Fannie May and Freddie Mac?  Yep, you guessed it!  OBAMA.  If the amount of money that was given to his campaign would have remained with Fan and Fred, us taxpayers wouldn't be paying for that pile of crap either.  I've never seen such an arrogant A-hole running for Pres.  And you think he will help?  Ha!  Keep dreaming.