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Posted Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:03 AM

Factcheck.org: The Muddle in Mississippi

Andrew Romano

According to the nonpartisan researchers at Factcheck.org (a NEWSWEEK partner), "McCain and Obama contradicted each other repeatedly during their first debate, and each volunteered some factual misstatements as well." Here's how the cookie crumbled:

  • Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran "without preconditions," but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for "high level" talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, "I do not believe that we can make conditions." After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn't favor presidential talks with Iran.
  • Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on "people" making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama's tax plan.
  • McCain and Obama contradicted each other on what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said about troop withdrawals. Mullen said a time line for withdrawal could be "very dangerous" but was not talking specifically about "Obama's plan," as McCain maintained.
  • McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues - special appropriation "earmarks." He said they had "tripled in the last five years," when in fact they have decreased sharply.
    Obama claimed Iraq "has" a $79 billion surplus. It once was projected to be as high as that. It's now down to less than $60 billion.
  • McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.
  • Obama said 95 percent of "the American people" would see a tax cut under his proposal. The actual figure is 81 percent of households.
  • Obama mischaracterized an aspect of McCain's health care plan, saying "employers" would be taxed on the value of health benefits provided to workers. Employers wouldn't, but the workers would. McCain also would grant workers up to a $5,000 tax credit per family to cover health insurance.
  • McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.
  • McCain claimed Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower had drafted a letter of resignation from the Army to be sent in case the 1944 D-Day landing at Normandy turned out to be a failure. Ike prepared a letter taking responsibility, but he didn't mention resigning.
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Posted By: QuillMoreTeKKsans (October 1, 2008 at 8:52 AM)

And about families vs. households: it seems to be that families living together who file tax-returns together are the kind of families that were meant. People living together, filing separately, are not families nor households in any tax-legal sense. Factcheck.org is muddling the waters here, indeed.


Posted By: QuillMoreTeKKsans (October 1, 2008 at 8:38 AM)

I really like the discussion between TomTraubert and Andrew Romano on the issue of Obamas statement about  "95% won't see higher taxes".

AR says Obama is wrong, that it's not 95% but 81%, and TomTraubert  has called him on that, since Obama didn't say 95% of ALL Americans but 95% of families.

AR states, a bit facetiously. that "Factcheck.org was factchecking 'that' statement not the one BELOW."  With 'that' statement he meant (Obama: "Here's what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut.)

AR is wrong right there, it's not BELOW it is ABOVE. Since Obama STARTED by saying 95% of FAMILIES,  and LATER shortened that to "95% of you'. This is less accurate, but since Obama began by qualifying the 95% as 95% of FAMILIES, he's allowed to do that.

In conclusion, TomTraubert has a far bigger point, since it's rather superficial of Factcheck.org to factcheck just one statement and not the other. It's really sloppy, and an organisation whose sole reason for existence is being precise and meticulous, can't afford being sloppy.

They are wrong two times in this:

1. On the basic issue, that Obama said "95% of all Americans" and not 95% of FAMILIES.

2. And AR is wrong in his defence of his error, when he said that Obama FIRST mentioned   "95% of all Americans". Obama mentioned that SECOND, and he did that probably for ease of speech.

As others have stated Factcheck.org is apperantly looking for balance. They are wrong about that, since if the fact is that there is no balance, they should ... check that?! ;)

Furthermore, they are flipflopping on the tally-thing. They have stated that they won't do a tally, yet, 4 days later, what did we see? A tally!!

Factcheck.org is mistaken in their believe that it is better to have balance than to be factually right. It's not.


Posted By: Steve Kass (September 29, 2008 at 5:04 PM)

kljohnson:

Under McCain's plan, employers would pay taxes on the health care benefits they provide to employers, exactly as Obama claimed. They would be "paying taxes" clear and simple. There is no need to play word games.

Employers pay FICA, a 7%+ tax on their workers' salaries. The FICA tax on employers also applies to taxable fringe benefits they give their workers. Currently, health care benefits are not taxable, so employers pay no tax on them. McCain wants to make health care benefits taxable, so employers would pay tax on them.

Under McCain's plan, employers will pay tax on employer-provided health care benefits. McCain wants employers to pay taxes on the health care benefits they provide. What Obama said was correct. I can't explain why Factcheck said otherwise, but they got it wrong. Many news outlets, Newsweek included, failed to catch Factcheck's error, but regardless of what everyone seems to think, Obama was correct.

Steve