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Posted Friday, October 03, 2008 12:57 PM

Factcheck.org: Loose with the Truth in St. Louis

Andrew Romano

According to the nonpartisan researchers at Factcheck.org (a NEWSWEEK partner), Biden and Palin  "were not 100 percent accurate [in St. Louis last night]--to say the least." Here's how the cookie crumbled:

  • Palin mistakenly claimed that troop levels in Iraq had returned to "pre-surge" levels. Levels are gradually coming down but current plans would have levels higher than pre-surge numbers through early next year, at least.
  • Biden incorrectly said "John McCain voted the exact same way" as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides.
  • Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on "families" making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.
  • Biden wrongly claimed that McCain "voted the exact same way" as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.
  • Palin claimed McCain's health care plan would be "budget neutral," costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain's plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.
  • Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.
  • Palin wrongly claimed that "millions of small businesses" would see tax increases under Obama's tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases.

For full details on these misstatements--and on additional factual disputes and dubious claims--click here.

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Posted By: ik.nha.tun@gmail.com (October 6, 2008 at 4:26 AM)

From "Fact of the Matter

http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

Senator Obama has never deceived us into thinking that 'CHANGE' comes easy. I remember in one debate Senator Clinton mockingly, saying to Senator Obama About the Special Interest, "What do you think, the special interest is just going to go away?" We found this week that that's true enough. This week we learned that even though John McCain was speaking against Greed, Corruption, Special Interest, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, He even introduced a a Propaganda ad where he tried to tie Franklin Reines former CEO of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to Barack Obama.

That one slid off like butter slides off Teflon. Then, it would seem CARMA had a lesson for McCain about Lying so freely. The NY times and Newsweek printed a story tying Rick Davis, McCains Campaign Manager to...

FREDDIE MAC AND FANNIE MAY UP UNTIL ONE MONTH AGO.....

Two reports tonight, one from the New York Times, and the other from Newsweek, contradict John McCain's statement this week that his campaign manager Rick Davis had no involvement with mortgage giant Freddie Mac for the last several years. The Times reports:

One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain's campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis's firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said...

...On Sunday, in an interview with CNBC and The New York Times, Mr. McCain responded to a question about Mr. Davis's role in the advocacy group through 2005 by saying that his campaign manager "has had nothing to do with it since, and I'll be glad to have his record examined by anybody who wants to look at it."

Newsweek confirms the story:

Freddie Mac had previously paid an advocacy group run by Davis, called the Homeownership Alliance, $30,000 a month until the end 2005, when that group was dissolved. That relationship was the subject of a New York Times story Monday, which drew angry denunciations from the McCain campaign. McCain and his aides have vehemently objected to suggestions that Davis has ties to Freddie Mac-an especially sensitive issue given that the Republican presidential candidate has blamed "the lobbyists, politicians and bureaucrats" for the mortgage crisis that recently prompted the Bush administration to take over both Freddie Mac and its companion, Fannie Mae, and put it under federal conservatorship.

But neither the Times story -- nor the McCain campaign -- revealed that Davis's firm, the Washington, D.C. based lobbying firm Davis Manafort, continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month-long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated. The two sources, who requested anonymity discussing sensitive information, told Newsweek that Davis himself approached Freddie Mac in 2006 and asked for a new consulting arrangement that would allow his firm to continue to be paid. The arrangement was approved by Hollis McLoughlin, Freddie Mac's vice president for external relations, because "he [Davis] was John McCain's campaign manager and it was felt you couldn't say no," said one of the sources. [McLoughlin did not return phione calls. Can Somebody say "MCCAINS CAUGHT UP".

I DON'T WANT TO END THIS POST ON CROOKS AND LIARS....

I do want to end this on a HIGH POINT...Senator Obama is a Awesome Man READY TO LEAD An Awesome Nation. I personally believe he is a man God has raised up for our Nation at this particular time. I know my conservative right wing brothers and sisters would fight with me over this point. Just remember I also have a Biblical Seminary partial education. So if you come, please come with the facts. Remember, I believe in God and I do not see him in a box. He is CREATION in my eyes. So Yes, I believe He still uses men in history at his deemed appropriate times. Men of Character, Honor,Love, and Integrity of heart.

Time and again McCain ask this question, "...Is He Ready To Lead.." He's never asked US the American Constituency, Are we ready to lead? After all it is written, "Government for the people and by the people." To this I"m sure we would all say

YES WE CAN!!!!! YES WE CAN!!!!! YES WE CAN!!!!!!!


Posted By: Bacalove (October 4, 2008 at 11:17 AM)

"For Sarah Palin, Thursday's night’s debate was an open-book exam. She spent much of the evening methodically reading and rehearsing answers from “carefully scripted talking points.” Palin’s notes were largely hidden from plain view, resting behind the lectern where she stood.   Because the cable and network television stations did not show a split screen of the debate, most viewers could not see that, during Joe Biden’s answers, Palin spent almost all her time looking down and studiously reading her notes. But viewers did see that when Palin delivered her answers, she would repeatedly glance down to check her talking points.   ThinkProgress has compiled a video documenting some of the instances where it was clear to the audience that Palin was propped up by written responses. Watch a video compilation."

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/03/palin-can-read/


Posted By: TomTraubert (October 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM)

FactCheck claims that

"Biden said that Iraq had an "$80 billion surplus." The country was once projected to have as much as a $79 billion surplus, but no more. The Iraqis have $29 billion in the bank, and could have $47 billion to $59 billion by the end of the year, as we noted when Obama used the incorrect figure. A $21 billion supplemental spending bill, passed by the Iraqi legislature in August, knocked down the old projection."

The link to the GAO estimate is here (pdf)

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d081031.pdf

FactCheck's claims that the projections of that surplus are lower are without substantiation. There is no official lower estimate of Iraq's surplus, which was last reported September 3. FactCheck links to a USA article that discusses a supplemental spending bill but also details the unlikelihood of the spending to occur anytime this year.   It appears to me that FactCheck just made up that lower number out of thin air, because they presented virtually no reliable reference for the estimate of surplus revised downward. That's dishonest and misleading.