Obama's Tipping Point? Not Yet.

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lamm01 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:15:45 GMT

Why is this a surprise. After all, the presidential race is about race and blacks are supporting blacks. So much for any real loyalty. When Hillary wins, I hope she has a very long memory. I know I would.

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QuietStormX — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:33:37 GMT

I mean, feel the American people and world view of Barack Obama's candidacy as the next President. If it is taken or stolen from him, I think there would be much too pay for from the people who voted for Senator Barack Obama......

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lamm01 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:40:32 GMT

Boy, posted my comment. Where is it? It seems to me that those of us who are commenting in the negative against Senator Obama are not having our comments displayed. Afraid others will learn the truth about the "Great Imposter"?

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tennisdaddy — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:44:34 GMT

Why is Obama consistently tagged as the "black candidate" whereas Hillary, who receives an overwhelming amount of support from older white women is not referred to as the female candidate? I'm sure I am not the first person to notice this characterization of the candidates.

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jimt2323@msn.com — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:51:19 GMT

lamm01:

Wow, what a couple of totally inappropriate posts! If you think mixing racism with seeking petty revenge on popular positive political rivals helps your candidate I don't know what to tell you. I often hear complaints that Obama supporters are "nasty" but you just raised the bar.

Let's choose real change and heal this country rather than divide and poison the debate! Obama '08!

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cnn357 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:56:55 GMT

lamm01

First of all, Barack would not have made it this far without the support of white as well as blacks. Also, black people were not supporting Obama in large numbers untill they saw that he was a good candidate. Furthermore, this article was about black super delegates actually representing thier constituants. God forbid black delegates show any loyalty or black people actually vote for a black candidate because people might think they are just sticking with thier own kind. As for Hillary remembering this...thats a Bush move, litterally. He didnt get the black vote in Texas and said he hopes they dont expect any help from him.

- A black guy who voted for Hillary

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Dick100 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:26:08 GMT

AND ANOTHER THING - The wicked witch from the North ,HILLY keeps insisting SHE WON the race in FLA and that other state -

Would someone kindly tell me how it is possible for only ONE person to WIN ANY kind of race -

If thats so - I WIN the race to my bathroom every morning

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wyl5326 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:31:52 GMT

Just read your column w/ Amy and here is my comment on Hill's campaign.

Hill have apparently not learned her lessons by re-igniting another round

of attack. This time it is now triggering a backlash from Black Super delegates

who felt compelled to abandon her for the popular will of the voters. If she

will not be careful, she might as well drag and destroy Maggie's image among

the black community in the process. Remember, a switched Super delegate vote

will count as 2 in net effect and there are more still out there who are on the

fence waiting for the right moment to dump her. As scrappy as the Clintons are,

they should remember not to cross the line that will trigger a backfire and

destroy them for who they really are. I don't mind to destroy them for who they

are, but they have a lot of their sycophants who could go down with them that

are really good people.

Now, she have turn to the mantra of solution and have abandoned her Fairy

Tale of "35 years experience". Unfortunately for her, she has a record of

providing so-called solution that was roundly rejected called Hillarycare

before. Is she now suffering from Alzheimer to remember from her "vast

experience" about it ? How ironic to accuse Barack as untested against special

interests when it was she who is in the pocket of the special interests ? Why

don't she examine her own persona and make a an attempt to change it with real

effort instead of just a window dressing effort ? I guess, it all boils down to

a leopard can't change it's spots. That is her tragedy and it takes a lifetime

to form one's persona in the same way that it takes a village to raise a child

- a title she hijack from African proverb.

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eXcommunicated — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:40:00 GMT

Hillary was "tested" by the Special Interest Lobbyists. After that was all said and done they stepped back and said, "Okay, we'll take her."

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BeitzCr — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:00:26 GMT

The Democratic Primary appears to be more & more like a program that is attempting to select the BETTER candidate .... Obama. Hillary is not even in the top-20 better democrats for that offfice, so it is past due that she get out of the way.

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Dick100 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:05:44 GMT

Not to change the subject here, but I am getting tired of people

complaining about superdelegates that are black who are beginning to

change to Barack Obama. Lets not forget folks. We are seeing HISTORY

MADE here.

I am a WM 68 years old and let me tell you, if I were

black I would be proud to have been part of the historical moment in

time when I could say that I voted and help the first black man to

become President of These United States.

This will be as famous a moment in the history books as Lincolns

Gettysburg Address.

Perhaps you folks arent old enough to remember,

Kent State, or that black people had to sit at the rear of a bus, or

couldnt even enter some restaurants, or elevators or stores, or had

to use seperate trest rooms if at all. Or were HANGED with a noose

by men wearing white hooded sheets, or couldnt attend colleges.

It no small wonder why so many mothers are taking their small

children into the voting booths so they can say to them YOU WERE

THERE.

Get off it America - forget the past- forget the hate - its time to

see YOU ARE WITNESSING HISTORY - BECOME A PART OF IT -

GO BLACK SUPERDELEGATES- FOLLOW YOUR HEART - BECOME PART OF THAT

HISTORY

FORGET THOSE WHITES WHO ARE STILL BIGOTED SOB's

GOOD LUCK OBAMA—BE PROUD—NEVER FORGET WHO YOU ARE

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adh1964 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:25:03 GMT

Neither race nor gender can overshadow the important facts of this campaign Neither democratic candidtate has the executive nor national security experience to lead this nation through the difficult season we are experiencing. McCain's 100 years in Iraq comment prove that the younger Senator can make speeches and great promises that stir up excitement but has no clue about the realities of long term national security like the fact that McCain is not talking about a 100 year military occupation but significant placement of strategic air bases and such in one of the most explosive areas of the world. The comments of Clinton and Obama on such matters prove that neither individual is ready to protect this nation. Typical cut and run and tax and spend politicians. America you owe it to yourself to think through the rhetoric and will to power and see the political and security realities before us.

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redheaded blue girl — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:31:50 GMT

It's silly to say any one particular moment or event is a 'tipping point.' That said, it's clear that the momentum is with Obama. As it should be.

Hillary Clinton cannot and will not be the first woman president of the United States. She has too much baggage. Maybe that's not right or fair, but it's true. She is a Senator from a major state. That is all she ever will be.

Fortunately, Barack Obama offers a more-than-viable alternative to Clinton. New ideas, inspiration, intelligence and integrity.

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itpro336 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:38:10 GMT

Obama for President what a joke, just ask his good friend Larry Sinclair. why is the media not telling us about that.

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itpro336 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:41:09 GMT

dick100 not to bust your bubble but we have already had a black president John Hanson Do your homework.

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itpro336 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:43:32 GMT

Larry Sinclair

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itpro336 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:44:47 GMT

Larry Sinclair

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itpro336 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:47:15 GMT

please go to cnn.com and search larry Sinclair

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ajon1600 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:50:50 GMT

I think as Senator Obama continues to win the primaries and caucuses, the pressure will continue to increase on not only African American Superdelegates to reconsider, but also other areas where Mr. Obama carried the district by a significant number of votes.

If Mr. Obama carried a 70% vote in my district it would hard for me to go against the will of the people who sent me to Washington to represent them and vote because of pressure from one of the Clinton machine. I don't think the country will stand for it, and it may cause massive deflection from the party.

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hillaryforpresident!!! — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:53:41 GMT

Wow, another pro-Obama article, shocker. If I were Hillary, the first thing I would do once I got into office is go Donald Trump on all of these biased reporters. Hopefully she's practicing already: "YOU'RE FIRED!!!!"

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Bluematter — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:06:18 GMT

The Media thrives on conflict and division. While it harbors some truth that Obama is polarizing the different minority votes across the country (Which is sad if they are choosing only because of his color and past prejudices), his message of hope and a new future for all Americans is catching on with people of all colors, gender, and political persuasions. If he continues to gather steam in the upcoming contests then the Super-delegates owe it to the country to support him. To do otherwise will doom the Democratic party for the next decade. If we are going to usher in a new age of reason to deal with the problems that beset us this century we had better start it now by electing the canidate that has the moral intelligence to lead us into a better tomorrow. As a grandfather I have a sincere interest in seeing this contest being delt with fairly. If it isn't then we have learned nothing and deserve the fallout that our children's children will inherit.

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hillaryforpresident!!! — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:22:16 GMT

This blog posted by a highly educated gentlemen, really puts the democratic race into context and I urge all of you seeking a balanced and fair view of this race to read it:

http://washingtondemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/02/inevitability-and-electability.html

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keep it real — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:48:33 GMT

the real issue is not the economy, there has been many recessions, with both partys in office, but never a 0/11 and for those who dont think they want to kill us , you better wake up

if obama becomes prez, he will gut our armed forces just like jimmy carter did, and we will been in big trouble,many people dont want to admit it but bush has keep us safe, if we did get attacked again they would have blame bush,

but we havent,, and we need a strong prez like mccain who will keep us safe, the last thing we need is obama who knows nothing about foreign policy

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keep it real — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:49:52 GMT

the real issue is not the economy, there has been many recessions, with both partys in office, but never a 0/11 and for those who dont think they want to kill us , you better wake up

but we havent,, and we need a strong prez like mccain who will keep us safe, the last thing we need is obama who knows nothing about foreign policy

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keep it real — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:01:36 GMT

i just hope if obama wins the prez and i hope not. he will give credit to the whites also.

and not let racist jessee jackson and al sharpton, in the white house crying all the time how there so mis treated,,

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dieder345HC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:07:53 GMT

Interesting development but far from a definitive determiner of this extraordinarily close nomination race. Those who would suggest that Congressman Lewis's favorable, emergent leaning towards Obama is driven by race, clearly do not know Lewis. He is a man of impeccable integrity - a true American and not only an icon of the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s.

If Lewis says he leans as he does in deference to the overwhelming vote of his constituents, he stands on principle - and a sound one at that.

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SaveThe MiddleClass — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:20:33 GMT

Why is it OK for a Black Lawmaker to say Im voting becuase he is Black , but a white lawmaker cant say Im voting for Hillary becusae she is white ?

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joecflee — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:48:18 GMT

Media's Faux Anger about Super Delegates

The media's attack on the Super Delegate system, on the face of it, seems based on sound democratic principles. "Let the people speak!" "The people's voices must be heard." These are tantalizing slogans, but probably as meaningless as the claim that caucuses represent the will of the people of an entire state.

Few in the media report what actually happens in a caucus where usually a small percentage of the voting public, often less than 3% go out and decide how the state's delegates will be allocated. This, so the state's political parties don't have to spend money to run primaries. The caucuses are over-represented by political zealots who have nothing else to do that day (or can afford to take time off, a tough proposition for some of the Clinton supporters who have to work during the day).

Most of the Super Delegates are elected officials (or have been). They represent the will of the people as much as the caucus delegates. To claim that somehow one group of delegates are 'chosen by the people' while the others are not is simple hogwash.

"But it's different!" some would say. When the value of a vote is over-represented in a delegate race (the votes of each caucus goer is obviously more valuable than those votes cast by California or New York primary voters), democratic principles have already been violated. Super Delegates are simply an extension of that broken process. However, to claim that the Super Delegates voting their judgment will create a voter revolt and to remain silent on the flawed caucus system seems to be quite a disingenuous attempt by CNN and MSNBC to divide the electorate in favor of Mr. Obama.

Of course, we would not be having this discussion if Mr Obama had the lead in Super Delegates. Lost in the discussion are the rights and the dreams of the millions of voters who have worked, campaigned, and voted for Ms. Clinton. The delegate count is still close, and so is the popular vote count.

Prior to the 2000 election, the media pundits talked about the possibility that Bush may win the popular vote, and lose the election because of the Electoral College. Most opinion polls were driving to that conclusion, since he had slight but significant lead going into the election. It turned out that their concern was right, but not in the way they had worried.

In the end, if Ms. Clinton loses the delegate race, but wins the popular vote, I openly wonder what the media would say. That rules are rules, and the popular vote won't count? That those who voted for Obama won't vote for Clinton, so he's more electable based on opinion polls and general wisdom? And that the Super Delegates should vote based on what's best for the Democratic Party?

Let's hope that the media will at least pretend to be angry about the disenfranchised Michigan and Florida voters. Their delegates should be counted before any criticism of the Super Delegate system.

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MikeForHillary — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:56:42 GMT

Will Kennedy, and Kerry cast their super delegate votes for Hillary? She did win in Mass.

I don't think soooooo! be carefull what you ask for.

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News and Notes — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:05:06 GMT

Obama is a tremendous candidate. Hillary trails him by anywhere from 50 to over 100 delegates. However, she has states that favor her coming up soon. Like it or not, she has been a phenomenal senator, and, although she is not as charasmatic as Obama, she is substantive, brilliant, and hard working. She may win, she may not. She has been scruitinized for 16 years, and Obama has not been scrutinized at all. If you think Hillary is going negative on Obama, wait for McCain. He Republican mean machine will destroy him. Hillary is better conditioned to withstand the attack. The nomination will not go to the convention. After Pennsylvania Obama and Hillary will see who is winning, decide what to do about Michigan and the 1,700,000 Floridians who voted (including 650,000 for Obama), and come up with a fair resolution based on delegates and our votes. Neither one will go to the convention and risk our hopes of having a Democratic president elected in November. If McCain wins the war will go on forever, and Federal and the Supreme courts will overturn every civil right everybody has fought so hard for over the last 50 years

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News and Notes — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:09:54 GMT

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hope-3 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:27:38 GMT

Obama is not a child of the civil rigths movement.He wasn't on the freedom ride buses getting his head beaten in at bus stops in the deep south.He wasn't in alabama when bull conner sent in the fire hoses and dogs to attack peaceful demostrators.He wasn't in the 16th baptist church when that bomb went off killing those 4 little girls.No he wasn't there but l'll tell you why he's getting the support of the very people who probably were there ?Because the clintons did the one thing a public official should never do and that is to try and dimisnish the role that dr king played in the civil rights movement.I have no doubt the clintons did this on purpose.

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timbo58 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:09:42 GMT

I see a lot of Rush L's people commenting. Lots of biggeted overtones. You right wing folks are mad you didn't have much to choose from and now that you have a flip flopping war mongering senior citizen as your candidate you know the end of a pitiful presidency under republican control is now as good as over. It will be nice to see our next president actually be literate. I a liberal christain just as I understand Jesus to have been. You know feed the poor, care for the elderly etc. I can't wait to see our country respected once again around the world as we once were. Republicans had thier chance with thier rubber stamp congress,and the presidency. For everyone that thought that was such a special time, I just hope you are enjoying the econemy we are left with. I notice lots of republican senate and congressman are now fleeing like rats after nearly bankrupting and scaring the American people continuously for the past 7 years. When I hear the word conservative I think of the party of the mean and the greedy. I want to see Obama as our next president. I think Hillary would do a fair job but lets face it the Right wing would be nipping at her heels from day one. If the super delegates steal this election and give it to Hillary, we will deserve the next four years of bitter partisanship we currently have. Same thing would happen with McCain. I believe in what I experience, and that is a chill and vibe of hope, that come over my being everytime I hear Obama speak. Obama 08

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justmeinArk — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:42:56 GMT

To voice My opinion, this should not be about race or gender and I would like to believe that the super delegates which is mostly Senators and ex- presidents, who I might add should be much more knowledgeable in the government than the average person and have took jobs representing the American People should do just that. I do not believe they should "go with the flow " , which shows their weakness if they do, but should decide who THEY BELIEVE is best for our country with the knowledge and experience they have. If they cant do that then Someone voted for the wrong person. I am not saying that the American people are stupid or anything just that the average person does not have the experience or the knowledge that a senator or other person who works directly in the government. They also see the big picture on all aspects. If I go to the doctor and hire that doctor to take care of Me, I want to be involved in My care but the doctor has much more knowledge and experience than me...its the same with the super delegates. I hope they stay true to their heart and not be swayed by the public..after all they are americans also with the right to vote.

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justmeinArk — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:51:24 GMT

Quitestorm,

This is not about stealing..this is an election. When it is over Senator Clinton or Senator Obama will support the other. I personally think they are both great and maybe they can run back to back and keep this Country democratic!

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menharar26 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:14:43 GMT

I don't get it. Everyone keeps talking about race, race, race.... that Obama only has a chance because of the black vote. As far as I understand African Americans account for 12-15% of the US population. Which means that if obama wins the candidacy, he is still cutting HEAVILY into other racial groups. That tells me that he is not winning BECAUSE of the black vote. By the way, if you guys think I'm writing this because I'm an obama supporter, you're wrong. I'm a republican voting for John McCain. And If i was a democrat I'd probably vote Hillary. I just think its unfair for everyone to think that Obama has appeal primarily in the Black community. I'm in california and all of my friends, which are all white democrats, are VOTING FOR OBAMA! so i think the guy needs to be cut a little more slack.

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menharar26 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:24:28 GMT

and to add to the comment of "justmeinArk," I think the super-delegates should vote in alignment with the constituency they represent. Their opinions mean NOTHING. they were put in office by people who's opinions mean SOMETHING. This is called a democracy, and in democracies the representatives are SUPPOSED to represent the choices of the people. This is why our political system is so messed up. We have politicians voting according to how THEY think or feel. WHO CARES what president bush THINKS about anything....HE'S ONE GUY!!!!! He's supposed to represent the wishes of the people. If 30% of the country supports him that's what I called a messed up system. We have a guy in office that 70/100 people disagree with in this country, and the crazy part is he's allowed to just make decisions that those same 70 people DISAGREE WITH! that's why its ok that these politicians are voting in alignment with their constituencies...BECAUSE THEIR OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS!!!!

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Storm915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:03:51 GMT

Mr. Obama is crying about superdelegates and the popular vote of the people. By his way of thinking, all superdelagates that are pledged to Mrs. Clinton, but their states voted for him, should go to him. If this situation continues, and it is still too close to have a clear winner, then that would mean that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and a host of others who are backing Obama have to vote for Clinton, since their states popular vote was clearly for Clinton . But you will never hear him say that. He is only looking out for his interest, so much for the great equalizer... He is a do as I say, not as I do candidate.

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dunnhaupt — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:23:37 GMT

The superdelegates can theoretically vote for anyone, but if I were an elected official, I would not vote against the people I claim to represent.

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Bluematter — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:56:49 GMT

We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union ...., Created a two party system with Super Delegates to control the masses, Utilized the Mass Media to manipulate thought and reason, and had special interests to finance the operation. George Washington warned that parties would lead to "jealousies and false alarms" and take away from truely uniting Americans. Based on the conversations seen here and across the country he was dead on.

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vivatexmex — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:27:47 GMT

Obama say he enlist help of America people. He know they more white than brown.

He only want help white.

Mccain send to war 100 years but give us amnestie.

Hilary unite latino and white woman.

Hilary win Calfornia an New York. Latino and white woman help!

Obama Harvard graduate? How latinos there tell me?

Maybe he use black help white.

He not understand latino. He only know white.

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keep it real — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:03:39 GMT

they always say obama is the first black that might win the white house, but he is half white

and being half white sure has helped,, so give him credit for being white. he wont be the first black to win the white house but the first anti mixed,,,

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vivatexmex — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:09:38 GMT

Obama say he enlist help of America people. He know they more white than brown.

He only want help white.

Mccain send to war 100 years but give us amnestie.

Hilary unite latino and white woman.

Hilary win Calfornia an New York. Latino and white woman help!

Obama Harvard graduate? How latinos there tell me?

Maybe he use black help white.

He not understand latino. He only know white.

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thosfiore — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:16:01 GMT

I think lamm01 is correct this is about race or rather races. In November we are voting for the makeup of the Congress as well as for President. Out where I live in the Mountain West having Senator Clinton topping the ticket would be like dragging an anchor throughout the race. At times candidates are thought to have coattails, in the case of Senator Clinton the only ones she will help will be the members of the GOP who will be demonizing her and using her to rally their base, witch at this point is somewhat demoralized by their losses in 2006 and the fair weather conservative at the top of the ticket.

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Bullwinkle — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:44:45 GMT

lammo1,

I beg to differ. Everything is not about race, as simply as you would have it be. My (black) mother and brother were going to vote for John Edwards, had he not left the race. My younger sister WAS going to vote for Hillary (as was I), until presented with what both recognized as a BETTER (not BLACKER) alternative. Not only that, consider that I didn't vote for Al Sharpton when he ran (he didn't even take S. Carolina -- so I wasn't the only black person who didn't vote for him); nor Jesse when he ran, therefore maybe -- just maybe -- we think Obama is a better candidate than Hillary. If the majority of the country (based on every poll that has come out) finds him more electable than Hillary, isn't it okay for us (black people) to find him more electable as well? Just a thought.

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Mwalimu — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:51:16 GMT

I am not pleased with some of the comments posted. I voted for Obama, but Obama lost California. If Obama wins, I'll be happy. If Hillary wins, I'll support her. The problem we are facing is either/or. Why? We really need to stress team-manship. To be sure only one person can get the presidential nomination, but must we have a winner-take-all approach. I really would urge team-manship from the very get-go. United we stand, divided we fall. Let's make sure that whoever wins utilizes the losing candidates in their campaign and their administration. (That includes John Edwards, whom I didn't get a chance to vote for, but whose courage I admire.0

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aprilnine — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:23:16 GMT

Dear Iammo1

Blacks support Senator Obama in a way they wouldn't support Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. It has to do with his obvious skill and competence as a unifying politician. Not surprisingly white women over the age of 45 are Senator Clinton's most ardent supporters. Similarly, Mormons overwhelmingly supported Mitt Romney; just as evangelists have gravitated to Mike Huckabee. So please don't try to make this a "black thing".

For years African Americans have supported white candidates with grace and solidarity. Don't begrudge them this special moment in history when it has to be obvious to all that a vote cast for Obama is a vote that can easily be defended.

P.S. - African Americans were largely responsible for electing Bill Clinton. I don't see how they owe Hillary any special favors as it pertains to her presidential aspirations. Remember, having a long memory can cut both ways.

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democratic_reforms — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:13:48 GMT

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Comment: world news in democratic change demanded for newer ethics of people in th district court of northern district of texas, at 1100 commerce, Dallas, Texas ,usa for memand of almost record setting amout of 1.5 (one point five trillions of u s $ for damages to u s presidential candidate_republican for democratic wrong doing by 390 + defendants ( jury was requested to decide the more exact amount od damages to be paid to pro se plaintiff, the rev kamal karna roy aka joseph geronimo jr, who wa born in guam, a u territory in Pacific (dob :3.31. 1934) a have_not in usa, a clergy on vow of poverty (IRS RULE) TO SERVE GOD/S OF RELIGIONS FOR SERVICE TO PEOPLE.bUT HIS AIM OF SERVICE TO WE THE PEOPLE VIRTUALLY FAILEDWITH INTENT TO SERVENATION NAMED AS OUR MOTHERLAND, THE REPUBLIC OF USA AS NOT ONLY DEMOCRATI INTENT IN IRAQ OF USA INITIATIVE, & PAKISTANI DEMOCRACY WITH SUPPORT OF US DID NOT JUST FAIL, BUT CREATED A PANDORA'S BOX IN DEMOCRACY, COMMONERS IN THE WORLD ARE SURPISED EVERYDAY THAT BOX MAY OPEN NEWER GLIMMICK IN DEMOCRACY OF CONVENIENCE OF REAL_LIFE PANDORA_MUSAREF, PERVEZ. nOW CMING TO USA DEMOCRACY THE PLAINTIFFS IN CIVIL COURT ACTION WERE MADE TO BELIEVE THAT DEMOCRATIC ELECTION FOR U S PRESIDENT WAS A DOG_FIGHT SYNDROME OF DEMOCRACY WHEREIN ONLY BIGGY_DOGS OF SELECTED OWNERS WOULD BE ALLOWED TOPARTICIPATE,OTHERS WOULD BE RESTRICTED WITH TOO MANY CONROLS SUPERVISES BY POWERFULS, THEY ONLY CONVIENTLY JUDGE DOG_FIGH EPISODES AND LOW_BARKING DOGS WOULD NOT ALLOWED TO BARK/CO,MPLAIN IN VIIORS' GALARY, THIS WAS A CASE WITH KAMAL ROY TO SUFFER AND SUSTAIND DANAGES ALONG WITH PLAINTIFFS ASSOCIATIONS , PETITIONED PRO SE BY COMMON OFFICER OF THE PLAINTIFFS ( 140 + NOS ) NON PROFIT TAX EXEMPT THROUGH GRUP EXEMPTION BY IRS ; SEE FRCP RULE AND THE U S CONSTITUTIONL RIGHT OF CITIZENS TO LAWFULLY SSOCIATE AND ACT IN ANY ACTION INCLUDING CIVIL ACTIONS ALTHOUGH KAMAL WAS A POOR CLERGY, BUT US CITIZEN. HILLARY, OBAMA, MCCAIN WAS BENEFICIARIES TO NEWS COVERAGES BY US NEWS MEDIA AND NEWS PRODUCING ONGLOMERATES WITH USES, ABUSES AND CAUSING HARM TO WEAKER CANDIDATES WHO RECEIVED NO NEWS COVERAGES AS CANDIDATES INCLUDING HAVE_NOT KAMAL ROYHILLARY USED GENDER &OBAMA USED SKIN/RACE OF ELECTORATE ALL ILLEGAL APPPROACHES IN CAMPAIGN. AS SUCH HILLRY/OBAMA SHOULD BE BARRED IN ELECTON/ RACES.. PRAYERS WERE IN PETITION TO REDRESS GRIEVANCES.

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Posted By: democratic_reforms @ 02/11/2008 8:08:34 AM

Comment: 11/2008 7:43:49 AM

Comment: The Road To a GOP Minority

A Florida project shows why Republicans will remain in the minority.

- By George F. Will

CommentsLISANROY wrote:

please refer to"federal justia docket" find court cations commenced by the reverend dr kamal karna k roy aka joseph geronimo jr , a republican u s presidential candidate 2008; now dr roy moved to atleast three u district courts in california, new jersey and at new hampshire at concord nh, usa to postpone the us presidential elctoral competitions by 350+ defendants while dr roy filed complaints pro se for self as a u s born citizen of usa for birth in Guam, u s territory in pacific, and hi is a f e c registered candidate but all defendants including usa govt, states of usa, state boards of elections f e c all neglected status of the candidate to curb his chances to be elected u s president; us media in news and giant news conglomerates viz associated press, cnn news, news corp , gannet news , new yorks times co all just ignored a patriot to take leadership in the troubled and richest democratic republic viz usa. usa may fail democracy in iraq, in pakistan et al but it shall be largest deficits in entire world of democracies ,now suffererings of dysfunctions of jungle democracy, to

fail the entire century old leadership scopes of usa. see websites to check vision of kamal karna roy, a newer voice in world of democrtacies in deficits those need to be replenished to save human conditions as human_animals, rev lisa n roy, executive officer, dr kamal k k roy election committee to settle one like kamal roy as us president 2008, although efforts could be zero sum game and may be an episode off loss but kamal told usa citizenry recently that efforts of a unit of "we the people" MAY NOT BE IGNOORED TO REVIVE DEMOCRACY, AND EVERY MEMBER OF "WE THE PEOPLE" IN usa, OTHERWISE,WE THE PEOPLE CONCEPT FAILS TOSTRIKE BLOW TO DEMOCRACY ITSELF LISA ROY ALSTON ; THE REVEREND MS GARGI R lAHIRI REFORMS AGENT & ASST TO REV DR KAMAL K K ROY CANDIDATE /HOPEFUL U S PRESIDENT'S JOB 2008 ; THE REVEREND MS ATREYEE ROY SEN DIRECTOR REFORMS IN DEMOCRATIC WORLD IN S E ASIA ; REVROBIN DALE lashua ; the rev paromita r Baidya (ms); et al,WITH CONSENT (dt 2.11. 2008 new york city, usa ) OF The reverend DR KAMAL karna karuna ROY ,( aka joseph geronimo jr 9BORN IN gUAM, U S TERRITORY IN pACIFIC ) ( A u s born CITIZEN PURSUANT TO U S ACT 1978 FOR GUAM AND MARIANA ISLAND PEOPLE WHO WAS LIVING AND RESIDENT OF MAINLAND usa,. Kamal k k roy lived in usa in new york state, et al in usa including in washington dc areas since 1968; ss 3 578 80 4399. see photograph in website votre smart org :candidate u s president 2008 from n y state; voter republican saranac lake, new york 12983; Campaign office : 107 A scribner Avenue , staten island , city of new york n y 10301 ; mailing address p o box 1173 saranac lake new york 12983, usa ph 515 891 5466 ; 518 637 6964 ; e mail id :vishwa_dh@

Posted By: democratic_reforms @ 02/11/2008 7:43:49 AM

Comment: The Road To a GOP Minority

A Florida project shows why Republicans will remain in the minority.

- By George F. Will

CommentsLISANROY wrote:

Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 02/11/2008 7:10:20 AM

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Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 02/10/2008 9:35:51 PM

Comment: PDATE OF COURT ACTIONS TO PETITION OF DR KAMAL K ROY, A REPUBLICAN U S PRESIDENT 2000 ELECTORAL COMPETITION :

washingtonpost.com > ColumnsYour Comments On...

The Road To a GOP Minority

A Florida project shows why Republicans will remain in the minority.

- By George F. Will

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Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 02/10/2008 9:33:38 PM

Comment: 2.10. 2008 new york update or following comments;

washingtonpost.com > ColumnsYour Comments On...

The Road To a GOP Minority

A Florida project shows why Republicans will remain in the minority.

- By George F. Will

CommentsLISANROY wrote:

Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 02/03/2008 1:43:16 AM

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THE REVEREND DR KAMAL KARNA ROY AS ON 2.2. 2008 FILED A CIVIL RIGHTS ALLEGATION THAT ABOUT 300+ DEFENDANTS IN ENGAGE IN CAUSING PAIN, HARMS AND DAMAGES FOR DENIAL OF DEMOCRATIC BENEFITS TO DR ROY AS HE WAS AN ORDAINED CLERGY ON VOW OR POVERTY, I R S RULE, AND AS SUCH HE REMAINED POOR MOST OF HIS LIFE, AND HE WAS A U S AMERICAN POOR AND HE WAS A MEMBER OF WEAKER COMMUNITIES , AS SUCH H WAS VIRTUALLY LEFT OUT BY THE US NEWS MEDIA AND NEWS MEDIA CONGLOMERATES , AS A CANDIDATE OF HIGH OFFICE AS U S PRESIDENT 2008 ELECTORAL CAMPAIGN, hE THE RICH, POWERFUL,ELITES IN USA WERE COVERED IN NEWWS AND AGENTS /CANDIDATES OF HAVE_NOTS WERE LEFT OUT AS IF CANDIDATE VIZ DR KAMAL ROY WAS NOT A CONTESTANT. U S GOVT, FEC, WASHINGTON DC DID NOT LET THE NAMES OF CANDIDATES IN THE FIELD ADEOUATELY; tHE STATS IN USA DID NOT GIVE AID LIKE PUBLIC ASSISTANCE TO WEAKER CANDIDATES , SO SUH CANDIDATES FAILED TO GET FOCUSSED AS IF THEY BELONG AS CONTESTANTS. sTATE BOARD FAILED TO NOTIFY DATES OF PRIMARY ELECTIONS PRPOSED BY THEM , AS LAWS REQUIRED. sIMILARLYHILLARY , OBAMA GOT FREE PUBLICITY VIZ HILLARY'S DAUGHTER CHELSEA CLINTON, HER HUSBAND BILL CLINTON RECEIVED PUBLICITY FREE OF COST TO PROJECT HILLARY WHO WAS TRYING TO GRAB LEADERSHIP AS A FIRST TIME WOMAN TO GET ELETED AS U S PRESIDENT 2008 BUT THE MEDIA FELL SHY TO PROJECT A MEMBER OF THE HAVE_NOTS. aS SUCH ELECTION WAS IN PROGRESS IN INEQUITABLE SITUATION. DR ROY AS SUCH FILED ANOTHER PETITION FOR VIOLATIONS WERE DETECTED IN THE JURISDICTION TO A RELIEF TO POSTPONE U S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2009. aN ACTION SIMILAR, WAS EARLER FILED WITH USD COURT, N D OF CALIFORNIA , SAN FRNCISCO DIVN AS VIOLATIONS WERE FOUND IN THE JURISDICTION. AS DR ROY IS A CANDIDATE IN THE JURISDICTION AND USA GOVT WAS COMMON PARTY AS A DEFENDANT, PRORATA CLAIM WAS PERMISSIBLE UNDER CURRENT LAS FOR SOME WHAT VARIOUS DEGEE OF VIOLATIONS IN DIVERSE JURISDICTION, DR ROY IS MBA (M S DEGREE FROM SUNY MARITIME OLLEGE,NEW YORK CITY ,1974,COLLEGE ID 578804399, HE HAD PH, D IN MANAGEMENT, DOCTORATE IN RELIGIONS:HAS LL. B (LAWS) FROM ACCREDITED FOREIGN SCHOOL. hE HAD ADVANCED DIPLOMA IN PUBLIC ADMN , FROM U S D A GRADUATA=E SCHOOL, WASHINGTON DC , 1972; BUT HE WASBEING FOOLED IN DEMOCRATIC ELECTION, THE SAID ELECTION WAS LIKE A DOG_FIGHT ,KAMAL WROTE IN COURT ACTION, WHEREIN SELECTED DOGS OF POWERFUL OWNERS OF THE ANIMALS WERE ALLOWED TO THE FIGHT WITH DIFFERENT DEGREES OF DEMOCRATIC PROIVILEGES. sO DR ROY PRAYED TO POSTPONE NOV 2008 ELCTION, UNTIL COUT DECIDED COURT ACTION AGAINT DEFENDANTS FOR DAMAGES AND KAMAL'S RIGHT TO BE ELECTED AT FUTURE PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST FOR REPLACED AND POSTPPONED NOV 2008 U S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ... THE REVEREND MS LISA N R ALSTON, R.N (NURSING,NY STATE, BA HON, M.D (RELIGIOND0 EXECUTIE SECRETATARY DR KAMAL ROY ELECTION COMMITTEE 2008 ( APPROVED BY CANDIDATE ROY ON 2. 2.008

Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 02/02/2008 10:38:14 PM

Comment: democracy activist_politician_u s pres candidate 2008 moved to usd court for new jersey for u s anti trust law abuses by us news media and news coglomerates, viz associated press, cnn news, reuter news et al. democracy is being hijacked away from leadership chances of people in usa pursuant we the people of u s a concept; why ? hILLARY CLINTON , B OBAMA, JOHN MCCAIN, CANDIDATES, NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC / REPUBLICAN PARTIES, U S AMERICAN GOD/S OF RELIGIONS ARE DEFENDANTS INCLUDING USA GOVT, FEC, WASHINGTON DC; ALL STATES AND STATE BORRD OF ELECTION ARE DEFENDANTS SEE FEDERAL JUSTIA DIOCKET ,PLAINTIFF DR KAMAL KARNA ROY CANDIDATE JERRY ALSTON DEMOCRATIC REFORMS AGENT, USA ; & ASSISTANT TO DR KAMAL KK ROY AKA JOSEPH GERONIMO JR

Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 01/27/2008 10:02:46 PM

Comment: consider best candidate for pres , republican /democrat, not obama or hillary. why/ obama is introducing race based pooiticking,shame. Coutry is not truly unified. Obama tactics will harm " we th people" in USA; hillary clinton could never come out of corruption issues and unanswered questions about death of top white house aide. .Now hillary want to project as a leader of substance for people in usa and people at large of usa.Hillary,pl clean your dirt all over your body and soul.just that u are a top contender for us president 2008 do not qualify you to be leader of nation who need a cleaner person to lead nation. Hillary be kind to people, save their sentiment about you those do not appear to be pleasant. approved by dr kamal roy , a republican and contender of u s president 2008. You may not vote for me but vote for brightest and cleaner public leader to guide u tomorrw of USDA.thanks

Posted By: Tommypie @ 01/27/2008 1:34:41 PM

Comment: Is Bill Clinton running for a third term? It sure looks like it. He is so meddlesome that he likely will meddle his wife out of the nomination for president. I have had enough of the Clintons. Good riddance!

Posted By: geeraf @ 01/27/2008 12:46:53 PM

Comment: Bill wants back in the Oval Office. Hillary is the conduit. She couldn't control him when he was Prsident and she can't control him now. I think Hillary is qualified and capable but I find the thought of a two headed Presidency a recipe for confusion and a game of "who's on first".

Posted By: sherriff @ 01/26/2008 10:11:25 PM

Comment: I predict in the coming weeks bill clinton will be busted in some type of sex ring .I bet they bust that fool for trying to pick up on a hooker,hahhah LOL ..barak obama will be the leading contender after super tuesday.

Posted By: macdoodle @ 01/26/2008 6:33:52 PM

Comment: i hope that the truth really gets out here.

i wanted a woman but not bill and not the DLC.

Obama is an american christian democrat who with a JD in constitutional law and avoiding the dirty politics the billary camp is playing .. like the midnight fake emials and vote suppression and more asking for dem party to chanage the agreements so she can be the only DEm eligible on the fla and michigan tickets.

they like there friends the bushes are rulers not leaders.

i want to live in a democracy.

i am proud of pelosi not someone who says i am woman, watch my husband roar.!

Posted By: tomdavie @ 01/26/2008 4:42:01 PM

Comment: you guys keep updating this story MILKING IT FOR WHAT ITS WORTH 24/7. Another Obama fan on the payroll i see. You have 'updated' the story for over a week. Grow up.

Posted By: Pak Rat @ 01/26/2008 3:39:30 PM

Comment: Ron Paul is my choice; but then again I voted for Barry Goldwater, Ralph Nader, and Ross Perot. I thought they all made sense; but the People wanted to hear Fairy Tales and the Candidates in both Parties are telling some whoppers. The People get what they Deserve and the Candidates are telling them what they want to hear. Incredible how really Stupid people are. Anybody that's running that "Tells it like it is", will never make it to the Top.

Posted By: macdoodle @ 01/26/2008 18:45:40

Comment: Enter Your Comment

Obama has a JD in constitutional law.! to begin.

not sure where you are from with such bad info...

.but hillary does not have the potential or experience of Obama.

and you have no idea what more war and damage the DLC will do!

Clintons and Bushes are good friends. often dinner partners even.

you have lots of bad information.

Posted By: coodaygraw @ 01/26/2008 3:09:15 PM

Comment: the oinly reasonable choices for either parties are a Ron Paul versus John Edwards. at least they make sense

Posted By: coodaygraw @ 01/26/2008 3:04:38 PM

Comment: it's funny how the old adage" the more things change, the more they stay the same" clinton is saying the same thing biden did in reference to giulliani. all his sentences contain are a noun, a verb and 9-11. obama's have a noun, a verb and a reference to Dr. King

Posted By: coodaygraw @ 01/26/2008 3:01:04 PM

Comment: as far asa mcain win, all the dems have to do is replay all the attack ads the bush people used against him in the other primaries, saves money and still gets the message out

Posted By: Reasonable Rightist @ 01/26/2008 2:43:31 PM

Comment: Clinton and Obama have alienated eachother too much with negative campainging, and Kerry lost because he had Edwards as his VP, so it seems like that slot is wide open. Maybe Richardson will get his chance. Of corse, McCain's going to beat whoever it is anyway. :-)

Posted By: lucywhite32 @ 01/26/2008 10:11:22 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton has no shame.

Does nobody remember the Lewinsky saga?

Posted By: coodaygraw @ 01/26/2008 15:06:17

Comment: shame is a word lightly used, clinton had a moral lapse, bush has spent our fortunes and future on his own personal war, now that's a shame

Posted By: coodaygraw @ 01/26/2008 14:58:18

Comment: shame is a word lightly used, clinton had a moral lapse, bush has spent our fortunes and future on his own personal war, now that's a shame

Posted By: Sickofthemedia @ 01/26/2008 12:18:48

Comment: I'm sure we all remember the Lewinsky saga, which was none of our business to begin with. What does it possibly have to do with this election or the merits of any candidate? Quit ressurrecting ghosts that don't matter...

Posted By: Pak Rat @ 01/26/2008 9:25:04 AM

Comment: Shut up and Sit down Bill we've already heard your LIES, we want to listen to her's. Have we somehow forgotten the Clintons when they were in the White House before and the Lies they told then? I have no problem with a woman President, but Hillary is definitely not the woman. I don't trust either one of the Clintons. They have an agenda and it's all Self Serving.

Posted By: Pak Rat @ 01/26/2008 9:18:13 AM

Comment: Shut up and Sit down Bill, we've already heard your LIES, now let us listen to HER'S. Haven't we had enough of the Clintons when they were in the White House and stuff they got away with there.

Posted By: oktexs @ 01/26/2008 8:40:39 AM

Comment: The Obama campaign says it has given away more than $85,000 in Rezko-linked contributions since Rezko was indicted on federal fraud and extortion charges in the fall of 2006.

An ABCNews.com review, however, has identified an additional $100,000 in contributions made to Obama from Rezko's associates that have not been returned, including $19,500 in contributions from Rezko's wife and employees of Rezko's business enterprises. The ABCNews.com review includes individuals who have been linked to Rezko in news reports, court documents and public records. ... ..

How Much Did an Accused Political Fixer Raise for Obama?

ABCNews.com Review Shows an Additional $100,000 in Rezko-Linked Contributions Not Returned by the Campaign of Barack Hussein Obama!!!

Posted By: oktexs @ 01/26/2008 8:38:52 AM

Comment: Go Bill Clinton!! You are loved all over the world. Go Hillary you have it won!!

Posted By: zuro @ 01/26/2008 8:23:36 AM

Comment: It seemed that AMericans are choosing a "beauty man" ranther a president. It is so strange that AMericans are so "unrealistical" and "childish" in choosing a president. This is not a game for your "own and ego enjoyment" for such as The first black president in the US history or whatsoever. Ground ourselves on the earth Americans, don't be foolish to think Mr Obama is so fresh, new, lovable, this is a president who will lead not only the America, but also the world, it is a huge challenge to a president of America.

Mr Obama's speech and debates so far seemed he is not a so smart guy as people thought! Hes articulation is very similar with George W. Bush who even could not speak and use English correctly! Mr Obama's speaking pattern is nearly the same as G.W. Bush, both of them are not smart enough to shoulder a so challenging job in the world really! Nearly 8 years ago, American used their "stubborn" attitude to choose G.W. Bush, a very stupid Guy, America suffered greatly, do we get enough from a stupid guy for us? Yes, we are fed up with these stupid and not smart enough guy to lead us. Forget Obama, he can't deal the huge task ahead of us. Or America will suffer again!!!

CHoose the smartest, the most expericed and capable one to be the president of America, Hillary! She is the great person to be the next USA president, she will bring us with real results and prosperity ! Don't be jealous of her please, she will only earn $400,000/year, she didn't get something for herself, she wants to do great contribution to America.

We don't want to have another G.W Bush (Obama and Bush are really not smart enough, they are alike a lot, believe me, Obama couldn't articulate things out clearly and correctly). Choose Hillary! She will lead America to a huge victory in every field around and lead America to another great glory! God bless and America!

Posted By: zuro @ 01/26/2008 8:18:40 AM

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/26/2008 7:47:55 AM

Comment: WAY TO GO BILL!!!-Even though the last Dem I have voted for is Jimmy Carter(show how foolish we are when we are young) I applaud Mr. Clinton. He can't say the real truth so I will. Politics aside BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Give me a break, who's his running mate? Osama??? If he truly rejected Mohammed and accepted JESUS then why no change of name? LEW ALCINOR-KAREEM ABDUL JABAR. CASSIUS CLAY-MUHAMMED ALI, CAT STEVENS-YOUSEF YABBADABBADO. It is customary to carry a MUSLIM name to authenticate the faith. AMERICA are you really so blind??? Are we reduced to a MORMON or a MOHAMMED as our choices? GO RUDY-GO HILLARY

Posted By: Leebo @ 01/26/2008 08:33:06

Comment: Wow. HolyRoller, you are messed up! Nice phobic attitudes you put on display. It's peole ike you who help ruin our good standing (what little of it is left) with the rest of the world.

As a white, middle-aged mom from Illinois, I hope most of America is smart enough to see the wonderful opportunity we have in Barack "Hussein" Obama and stop with the immature and fear-riddled nonsense.

Posted By: tomdavie @ 01/26/2008 5:34:00 AM

Comment: Hi. These folks you describe as 'neutral' is a pack of crap and you know it. They are obama supporters. Newsweek is using its power of the media to SPIN for Obama. The DNC has hundreds of members, and this group of 5 WHINERS are all OBAMA supporters.

We get it. You arent ALLOWED to critque Obama . Clinton isnt ALLOWED to campaign for his wife. He isnt allowed to challenge Obamas record. He isnt ALLOWED to speak to the media. He isnt ALLOWED to voice his concerns.

Obama is ALLOWED to LUMP CLINTON in with RICHARD NIXON and go onto say that a REPUBLICANS and Ronald Reagan had the best ideas of the last 15 years. NEVER MIND THE OBVIOUS INSULT to the 42nd president.

Joseph GOBELLS would be SO PROUD of Newsweek wouldnt it. SPIN IT newsweek SPIN IT.

Posted By: Indie17 @ 01/26/2008 12:47:49

Comment: 'Challenging' a record is different than lying about it. The Clintons have shown themselves to be of low moral character, just like the current Bush administration -- 'lying to win is okay'. Was a Richardson supporter, and now I'm for anybody but Clinton. Funny, was trying to convince my mother weeks ago that Clinton would be a good president....

Posted By: nycheesehead @ 01/26/2008 5:19:11 AM

Comment: I was a Democrat when younger, and then became an Independent in 1992 (I voted for Perot). However, after the buffoonery and fascist attach on personal liberties by W and his cronies, I vowed I would NEVER again vote for a Republican.

After much thought, I have decided to support Barack Obama for President. I read his book Audacity of Hope, agreed with him that the "new majority" is more concerned about becoming the "United States of America" instead of the disastrous "Red State/Blue State" dichotomy. I believe that the great majority of Americans want to be inspired to think and do beyond their own self-interest for the greater good. They are collectively ashamed that New Orleans still looks as it does; they are fed up with that the rest of the major countries in the world take better care of the health of their citizens than the U.S. They hunger for a President to inspire us and lead a united nationwide effort to wean ourselves off foreign oil, just as John Kennedy challenged us to go to the moon within a decade.

They are also sick and tired of the oligarchies that seek to control this country for 20 years: Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

I know understand what it is about the Clintons that Republicans hate so much; it's all about power; it's all about power in their hands.

Shame on Bill Clinton; he should act like a former President. You can see his "thirst" for power boil over in the attempt to slay the insurgent Obama; how dare he challenge the Clinton's power!!! Make no mistake about it; Bill is running for a third term.

Hillary seeks to be the first woman president; and admirable calling; a potential inspiration to the women and girls of this country, my 10-year-old daughter included. Yet, what has she done? She is basically saying "If you try to challenge me I will send my husband after you to BEAT YOU UP!!!" Great. The first woman president needs her HUBBY to fight her fights for her. Nice example.

The Republicans shouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell this November; no consensus candidate; the rank and file in complete disarray; no central figure behind which to rally. Then some of my moronic Democrats want to give them Hillary Clinton to run against. Great. Unite the Republican Party for them. Four or eight years of rancor, no health insurance for even more Americans, the world gets warmer, and we are further enslaved by foreign oil.

However, worst of all, I will have left my 15-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter with a world and country worse off than the country and world my parents left to me. Nice job, us "children of the sixties."

Here's the deal. I am so against oligarchies, and I am so disappointed and disgusted by the power hungry Clintons, that if "they" (noticed I said they) are the nominees of the Democratic Party I will not vote for them.

I will either (i) stay home; or (ii) vote for John McCain (if he is the Republican nominee) in protest.

Suck on that one, Bubba.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/26/2008 08:01:08

Comment: Excellent post. I agree that John McCain would be a fine President. However, the media is obsessed with an OBAMA-ROMNEY contest. I for one hope that the herd mentality of most American's falls short of their goals.

Posted By: delakile @ 01/26/2008 4:28:30 AM

Comment: America, let's point to some facts inorder that we can make a wise decision. I'm looking at this from an Independent's point of view.

1. Whether you like Bush or not, the fact remains that he appointed more minorities to high positions in his cabinet than any other president. This INCLUDES Bill Clinton, who by the way, did not have anyone who is black in any high ranking position in his cabinet. This is especially befuddling considering that Bill Clinton is looked upon by the African community as the "Black" president. How insulting was this statement!!! What exactly did Bill Clinton do for the "black" community?

2. For all the mess that this "war" has caused this country, it is unfortunate, for all those who have lost their lives while fighting over in Iraq and Afganistan. As far as what it will take to "fix" it, well, It will require some great deal of time. But the fact remains that during the Clinton adminstration, Osama bin laden was available for the taking. As it has been reported in the news, Saudia Arabia was looking for some country to take him. He was offered to the U.S. and Clinton, the "wise" and trusted President, said no. So, his "no" allowed Osama the opportunity to do what he did on 9-11. Again, the wonderful president Clinton, because he loves us so, had the chance to change things for the better but refused. And then we felt the "pain" of his error!

3. Let's us stroll down memory lane and revisit the Monica Lewinsky debacle, shall we. How many women had to come forward to finally nail this "PIMP" to the wall and have him admit to his indiscrections. And even then, for this loser to insult the american public like he did and try to weasle his way out of this by telling us what the meaning of "is" is. Which of course brings into the picture, the wonderful Hillary "Rodem" Clinton. Notice how conveniently she dropped the "Rodem" out of her name? Funny how that works! But getting back to the comment, here comes Hillary and starts waving the "it's the right wing conspiracy" flag. She claims that the "republicans are out to destroy my husband!" But what happened when all the allegations were proven to be true? Did we get an apology from the Her or anyone from the left, not a chance!

As I said before, I am a registered Independent. I am tired of seeing the nonsense that is being dished out from both the democrats and republicans. Both parties are losing the focus of what's important for this country--that is, the fate of the american people! I just want someone who will make significant changes in washington that will yield the best results for the american public. As one who belongs to middle income america, I have a vested interest in how this election season will pan out. We desparately need help! But I have to say that, Hillary Clinton is not the answer.

Posted By: delakile @ 01/26/2008 3:43:09 AM

Comment: AMERICA, WAKE UP!!!! Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is the right person to be our next president? Just look at what is happening in the primaries. Look at what she is trying to do to her fellow Democratic candidate. She and her low life husband are trying to use the race card in order to bring Obama down. Then Hillary, in the recent debate, insulted Obama with the "slum landlord" comment. Only to have a picture surface of her and Bill surrounding the socalled "slum landlord" himself. What trash these two are. These two will go to whatever ends necessary inorder to achieve there goal. Even if it means going against their own party. Look at how many of their own party are coming forward and telling Bill to "pipe it down!" The attacks on Obama are getting vicious. And again, this is within their own party! Why is it that so many people are afraid of these two? Consider the damage these two have done so far--then think of how much more damage these two can inflict if the worst senario comes true. What happened to the "Right Wing" conspiracy that she freely spewed to the american public when the allegations about her husband's infidelities were brought forth. Only for these allegations to be proven to be TRUE!!! Conspiracy my foot! The lies and smearing that these two are engaged in is nothing short of criminal! This would be a tragedy beyond repair in all respects. DO NOT ELECT HILLARY!!!!

Posted By: delakile @ 01/26/2008 3:23:08 AM

Comment: Hillary Clinton is a fraud. She has no interest in anyone but herself. How convienent were those fake tears just when she thought her hopes of winning the primaries were in question. All it took was for her to lose Iowa, and the tears started to fall. What's worse were the idiots who fell for this farce! Now she is throwing in the race card in order to discredit Obama. America, wake up and smell the stench that are the Clintons!!!

Posted By: delakile @ 01/26/2008 3:19:06 AM

Comment: The Clintons are a joke! I dare anyone to tell the world what has Hillary done for this country, let alone the state of NEW YORK! She claims to have this great experience on how to run the country. From where? Are we to be fooled into thinking that she has this experience just because she is Bill Clinton's wife? Please, it is so disgusting how these two lowlifes are fooling the american public. At least half of america is on to her already. She is a disaster for this nation. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! before it's too late.

Posted By: lil30752 @ 01/26/2008 2:43:17 AM

Comment: comment : Bill Clinton was a good president but they let him go but look whats going on with this president now ....... we need Hillary KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

Posted By: eagle-r @ 01/26/2008 1:51:16 AM

Comment: I'm admiring Bill Clinton more now ,becose he is just helping his wife,even when she is doing a great job by herself,but if he is being the way he is that's because of the media, they been focusing in OSAMA, I mean, obama all the time.Every time I turn the tv. on to see the news, all I see, most of the time is people talking about this OSAMA, OASMA well, I mean obama, so that's good knowing he is behinde his wife, since the media won't. I would do the same thing ,for that I respect him more ,is sad that peopel can look at it the other way , GOOD JOB BILL!!!! HILLARY CLINTON 2008!!!!

Posted By: icandoit @ 01/26/2008 12:03:46 AM

Comment: I always liked Bill Clinton, even just few months ago I was admiring his still powerful presence in American politics. But to me he had lost a lot of respect for his recent behaviors and criticism towards Obama. By doing so he lost a fan (me) and I think others will think the same. And since he is making me upset I started to question his legacy, what did he do during the Rwanda Genocide? Where was he when the radical Islam was increasing? His relationship to Monica? No doubt that he did good things but if you dig deep you will find a lot of stinks too. It is a surprise that I am trashing Bill, but I guess that???s what is expected when some one lost respect for a charismatic president.

Posted By: progressive1 @ 01/25/2008 11:18:51 PM

Comment: PIPE DOWN INDEED!

Posted By: jmarty @ 01/25/2008 9:43:01 PM

Comment: I think Greg Craig makes an excellent point. If Hillary's campaign cannot keep President Clinton in check, why should anyone believe he will not be working around the law limiting a president to two terms. I am an educated woman in her 40's, and I am appalled at the direction of the Clinton campaign. I am eager for change and the current message from Hillary doesn't assure me we share the same views - one I thought for certain we would.

Posted By: Sickofthemedia @ 01/25/2008 9:39:51 PM

Comment: I have always liked both Clintons, but I am disgusted with the way Bill Clinton has behaved. I won't forget as some have suggested. While my first choice for the Democratic nominee is no longer in the race, I had leaned toward Hillary. But I am liking Obama more and more, and the hatchet job Bill has given him only makes me want to support him more...

I disagree with the article that Bill Clinton is the titular head of the Democratic party. Jimmy Carter is, and he is a true gentleman.

That reporter Clinton went off on should not have let him get away with it. I would have ripped him a new one had he talked to me like that.

Posted By: m.cadman@sympatico.ca @ 01/25/2008 8:48:51 PM

Comment: Yes. Hillary Clinton is a real phony. Her husband should keep quiet for a while, but I doubt it.

Posted By: m.cadman@sympatico.ca @ 01/25/2008 8:47:02 PM

Comment: Don't worry. By tomorrow,January 26th, Bill Clinton should have laryngitis. Time for a break here.

Posted By: palpope @ 01/25/2008 7:51:35 PM

Comment: Comment: I have never cared for Hillary Clinton. She is obviously inauthenic and phony. On the other hand, I have always been a fan of Bill Clinton, mostly because of his IQ, and until now, I thought he might be an asset to his wife if she happened to end up in the White House. I am, and have always been, a Democrat and a staunch Obama supporter. I hope with all my heart that he will win the Democratic nomination for President, but if it so happens that the nominee is Hillary, you can count me out of the party unity thing at election time. I would never vote for Hillary Clinton, and like Ruthles, I will write in Barack Obama's name or stay at home. After the way they have behaved in this campaign, I dislike Hillary even more, and I can no longer stand her husband. Their politics is lowdown and dirty, and they insult the intelligence of the voters. I now believe that all the negative things that have been said about them over the years are absolutely true. They do not deserve to be in the White House again, and the country has had more than enough of their politics of personal destruction. We need a President we can trust to honestly lead, inspire and help bring about change. The Clinton's are not capable of anything but lowdown, dirty, ego-serving politics. It's time for them to go!!

Posted By: blue_diamond @ 01/25/2008 7:39:48 PM

Comment: It appears to me that there is plenty of anger on each side of the issue here. Therefore it seems reasonable that none of you will elect the president since each one of you will be cancelled by the oposition. I believe that our founding fathers were extremely smart in setting up this REPUBLIC. The silent majority really do have the power

Posted By: Gerald G. @ 01/25/2008 6:58:34 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton IS dismantling Hillary's chances for the White House! The Clinton Campaign seems completely oblivious to the deep damage already inflicted. This portrays Hillary as Bill's #2, which again raises the issue of what real experience she had in the White House -- and why she and Bill are SO determined to NOT let YOU see her White House papers to judge her 'experience' for yourself. The dynasty must end now. Obama brings hope; Clintons bring despair and the politics of personal destruction! It will only get worse if THEY are elected. Whatever you do, don't let your son or daughter go to Washington to be an intern under their administration!

Posted By: ruthles @ 01/25/2008 5:12:55 PM

Comment: I believe that we will need an amendment to the Constitution if Hillary and Bill Clinton are the Democratic nominee(s) for our highest office because if Hillary is President, Bill will be, too. He is proving what we always knew: that he has no self control. He will not step out of the Oval Office and go about his business. He will "play President." He can't help himself. And, obviously, she has no control over him. Look at their very public marriage. She could not control him then and she, nor her advisors, nor the Democratic leadership, can control him now. No one will be able to control him then. He will move all that horrible eight years back into the White House with him!

I am 58 years old and have always been a "yellow dog Democrat," proud to claim Liberal when everybody else changed their label to Progressive, but I will not vote for Bill Clinton ever again! I will go to the other side...stay home...write in Barach's name...whatever. I don't care about the man's sex life. Or anyone's sex life or lack of it, but I know what the Greeks considered the worst sin of all: hubris, arrogance, the trap of your own ego. Enough already! We don't have royal families in this country. Bushies, Clintons: go home! Let's start over!

Posted By: trimm25 @ 01/25/2008 3:28:45 PM

Comment: I will take a president that gets a blow job in the oval office. Over a president that cares nothing for anyone except his rich bodies anyday. Bush has no conscience, thousands of people have died on his orders, so he could secure some oil.

Posted By: Leebo @ 01/26/2008 08:43:22

Comment: Uh - one problem with your comment - Bush isn't running against Hillary.

The choice is between Obama and the Clintons. Obama is head-and-shoulders above those two who are out for nothing but their own interests.

Obama '08!

Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 01/25/2008 12:59:06 PM

Comment: HILARY CLINTON MAY BE BEST DESCRIBED POLICAL BAG LADY OF CORRUPT PRACTICES IN DEMOCRACY. SHE TRIED TO GRAB SIGNIFICANT POWERBASE WITH HEALTH REFORMS ISSUES DURING BILL LINTON PRESIDENCY. nOW THE SAME WOMAN IS TRYING TO FREE RIDE TO U S PREIDENCY WITH SOME OF ACHIEVEMENT OF BILL CLINTON. sHE COULD NOT MORALLY CONTROL BILL TO STOP HISSOME OF THE UNETHICAL CONDUCTS VIX MONICA EPISODE. .sHE MAY NOT BE GIVEN EVEN A CHANCE TO BE U S pRESIDENT JUST SHE PROVED SMART BUT MORALLY CRIPPLED WOMAN. HILLARY MAY HOWEVER PROVE TO BE EFFECTIVE WOMAN WITH FURTHER PROVEN ABILITY OF INDEPENDANT OF MENTOR_+DEFACTO VIZ BILL CLINTON. tHE REVEREND DR kAMAL KARNA K ROY AKA JOSEPH GERONIMO JR A REPUBLICAN U S PRESIDENT 2008 ELETORAL COMPETITOR TO U S PRESIDENCY 2008 PH 528 891 5466 EMAIL ID VISHWA_DH@YAHOO.COM. BYE HILLARY FOR NOW FOR SURE TO BE U S PRESIDENT,MAY BE YOU MAY BE WELCOME AFTER 4 / 8/12 YEARS AS U S PRIDENT.

Posted By: ango321 @ 01/25/2008 12:47:57 PM

Comment: Hey eagleye, you are right, I register as a Republican and vote for Bush in 2000, (not 2004) but I have a more liberal view in life. Friend of mine called me a RINO and I am proud of that. I don???t blindly follow any political party, I vote for whom I believe that could take this country out of this mess. My first choice is Hillary and my second is Obama. Now let be fair, when Obama and Edward gang up on Hillary, I did not see anyone complain about it? But when Bill Clinton questioned Obama???s experience and his vote in supporting Iraq war, everybody telling him to chill, why is that? You (eagleye) sound like a 'moran' conservative friend of mime. Like him, you have your head in the sand and hate Clinton with passion. I would waste my time with you because you are already shut down.

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/25/2008 12:36:32 PM

Comment: "This doesn't hurt Hillary it spins the attention to Bill so he can do the heavy lifting and get the Obama camp tangled in the race box. It's deceitful as hell but very smart. He's a great campaigner, passionate and refuses to lose. I believed him and voted for him. He embarrassed other Americans and me when we were serving overseas and the scandal broke. Then he lied right in the camera. Then he was impeached. Then the women, Whitewater ugh. And now I'm suppossed to jump up and down because he's baiting me? No, not that stupid. This is a chess game to him. I would vote for Obama. I would vote for Edwards. I would vote for McCain, but never a Clinton. Never again. I hope they find peace in their marriage but I'm not going to be sacrificed for all their zeal." --MissyE

Beautifully stated.

Posted By: sharyng @ 01/25/2008 10:33:49 AM

Comment: How stupid is stupid! Hillary Clinton is not depending on her status as First Lady to support her claim for experience, although it would be 'stupid' to discredit the unique perspective she had to the presidency and workings of federal government. She demonstrated her individual political skill when she distinguished herself among Congressional colleagues and Democratic Party members as a newly-elected Senator. She has more pertinent educational and professional background than most presidential candidates. She is widely-respected in foreign nations, She is significantly more intelligent than the incumbent. I don't know if eagleye is himself a moron (who can't spell) or simply a sexist pig, although the two characteristics frequently go hand-in-hand. The only reason for Hillary Clinton 'not' to be the next president is that she'd be inheriting the mess left behind by the current Administration.

Posted By: Change is a verb not a platform @ 01/25/2008 9:32:51 AM

Comment: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22831278#22831278

Posted By: eagleye @ 01/25/2008 7:17:37 AM

Comment: You know, you libs are so easy to spot. Take for example the comment by ango321, "I am a republican and will not vote for another republican candidate." Hi there Hillary Clinton supporter that has never ever been a conservative or republican. Always have to hide and lie, don't you ? Let us take a closer look at how you try to decieve those of us that read the comments. How about your statement with regard to Obama, I would like to quote a part of the statement "but if Oboma get nominated." You are in such a hurry to get your misinformation and lies out there for your fellow rats to chomp on, that you forget the basics in communication like punctuation, spelling,sentence structure. and not saying one thing and getting caught later on contradicting yourself. Don't act like you had been a conservative, you've always been a lib, you will stay a lib, so go and play your lib games between Obama and Billary all you want.

Posted By: Marxist @ 01/25/2008 15:28:44

Comment: Poor poor eagleeye....listens to rush limbaugh so much that he is actually starting to sound like him. What I find so humorous is that republicans (taken right from the playbooks of limbaugh and hannity) essentialize the left. It is so easy to be a republican now because all you have to do is make a stand somewhere, anywhere, and deride anyone that doesn't believe like you do. It takes a thinking person to realize that there is more than two sides of an issue those two sides being black or white. Republicans/Conservatives always take one side or the other of an issue and refuse to accept the fact that one size does not fit all and they refuse to listen to anyone that may introduce nuances. If the attitude and behavior of republicans/conservatives weren't so completly disgusting and dangerous, it would be cute. Eagle eye, do yourself some good and stop parroting what the so called conservative pundits are telling you because they are don't have a clue what they are talking about and are only conducting a very low brow from of entertainment.

Posted By: johnnym33 @ 01/25/2008 1:06:35 AM

Comment: Is Bill clinton trying to have another term in the white house? is he missing all the goodies? I believe he should stay away from this,it??s hillary running for president not Bill

I have seen hillary I believe she does not have the strengt to be commander in chief

America needs some change someone that will reunite both parties and reunite with the rest of the world

Posted By: johnnym33 @ 01/25/2008 1:06:02 AM

Comment: Is Bill clinton trying to have another term in the white house? is he missing all the goodies? I believe he should stay away from this,it??s hillary running for president not Bill

I have seen hillary I believe she does not have the strengt to be commander in chief

America needs some change someone that will reunite both parties and reunite with the rest of the world

Posted By: ango321 @ 01/24/2008 11:26:44 PM

Comment: This is so sad, already acting like a sore loser. First, I am a republican and I will not vote for another republican candidate. After 7 years, Bush and his minions screw up this country so bad that I don???t have the conscience to let another republican keep ruining this country. Secondly, why are Obama supporters acting so childish? I will vote for Hillary but if Obama get nominated I will support him. Do you think Obama is clean? Have you read about Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a Chicago businessman, currently under investigation for fraud? I think Obama and his supporters should grow up, stop being a bunch of cry babies. Whatever Bill Clinton throws at them, it???s going to be 10 times worse by the Republicans at the general election. Deal with it.

Posted By: ango321 @ 01/24/2008 11:25:59 PM

Posted By: neoconbuster @ 01/24/2008 10:43:58 PM

Comment: On the New York Times endorsement of HRC, even if everything the NYT says about Hillary is true, she is still unfit for the presidency. She and her race-bating, gas bag husband, if they were to re-occupy the White House, if America is so stupid, she will have only one agenda item: getting re-elected in 2012. Everything else will be secondary. They proved that over and over again during "their" rather mediocre presidency. The NYT just doesn't seem to understand that she takes huge amounts of money from the very interests that oppose what she promises. Either Obama or Edwards gives us the only chance to break this paralytic, self-destructive oscillating dynasty of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton....

Posted By: neoconbuster @ 01/24/2008 10:42:53 PM

Comment: On the New York Times endorsement of HRC, even if everything the NYT says about Hillary is true, she is still unfit for the presidency. She and her race-bating, gas bag husband, if they were to re-occupy the White House, if America is so stupid, will have only one agenda item: getting re-elected in 2012. Everything else will be secondary. They proved that over and over again during "their" rather mediocre presidency. The NYT just doesn't seem to understand that she takes huge amounts of money from the very interests that oppose what she promises. Either Obama or Edwards gives us the only chance to break this paralytic, self-destructive oscillating dynasty of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton....

Posted By: Jumpingnots @ 01/24/2008 8:40:45 PM

Comment: Bill should keep his dirty was at Monica's place,for Hillary she should send him on a vacation far away with a big box of sigars,that will keep him going for a while.He is an has been,and can't let it go,or do you think they like to bring that stolen silverware back to the White House. Obama is an young man and very well educated this guy has seen the real world were we live in from day to day and the struggle of the real people that keeps this country going,He is the fresh air and wind we need to unite the American people again and come together as one American.Hillary wil keep us divided, we do not want that same old same stuff in the White House anymore,we want a complete:" Chance"Let the young take care of our country. Obama is a good man for this battle. An very old wite immigrant Bless the USA

Posted By: Auzziebird @ 01/24/2008 6:54:05 PM

Comment: The GOP has two criteria for this race - white and male.

The Dems have four - white, black, male, or female.

May the best person win!!

Posted By: Auzziebird @ 01/24/2008 6:52:40 PM

Comment: The GOP has two criteria for this Presidential race - while and male.

The Dems have four - white, black, male and female.

May the best person win!!!

Posted By: DaveGravity @ 01/24/2008 6:00:51 PM

Comment: So how is a woman relying on her husband to make her competative supposed to be encouraging for women in general? Real feminists should be disturbed by this.

The first LEGITIMATE Woman President should be able to make it there on her own merits. Only then will it be something to be proud of. The same goes for the first ANY kind of President!

Posted By: MissyE @ 01/24/2008 5:38:56 PM

Comment: This doesn't hurt Hillary it spins the attention to Bill so he can do the heavy lifting and get the Obama camp tangled in the race box. It's deceitful as hell but very smart. He's a great campaigner, passionate and refuses to lose. I believed him and voted for him. He embarrassed other Americans and me when we were serving overseas and the scandal broke. Then he lied right in the camera. Then he was impeached. Then the women, Whitewater ugh. And now I'm suppossed to jump up and down because he's baiting me? No, not that stupid. This is a chess game to him. I would vote for Obama. I would vote for Edwards. I would vote for McCain, but never a Clinton. Never again. I hope they find peace in their marriage but I'm not going to be sacrificed for all their zeal.

Posted By: tradewinds @ 01/24/2008 5:35:33 PM

Comment: A generation should be in the White house only once, and that should be it for the Clintons, Have another onw should go to the White House this time!

Posted By: tradewinds @ 01/24/2008 5:33:39 PM

Comment: A family generation should go to the White house just only once in a lifetime, please enough for the Clintons!

have another one have a shot on the Presidency! Thank you very much!

Posted By: dbanana2 @ 01/24/2008 5:12:39 PM

Comment: Alter, Bowtie Carlson, Matthews, Russert and that whole gang have expressed their outright hostility to Hillary Clinton by their words, their body language, and by their thinly disguised aggressive humor. Matthews, especially, has been attacking and mocking Hillary Clinton since Bill Clinton was presiident. Carlson has even said that Hillary Clinton makes him cross his legs. What are these men afraid of? Or are they trying to get us another eight years of Republican fiasco? Hillary Clinton and nearly every other Democrat has a better understanding of the whole picture.

Posted By: MissyE @ 01/24/2008 17:43:09

Comment: So ok, let's try another Democrat for 8 years then.

Posted By: multiple @ 01/24/2008 5:02:30 PM

Comment: Ms. Clinton you the doing a great job. You will be GREAT President!

Posted By: dbanana2 @ 01/24/2008 4:55:46 PM

Comment: We have Oprah to thank for injecting race into this campaign. Fine: she hosted the fantastic gala at her home. However, she crossed the line when she went on the campaign with him.For the African-American community to abancdon the Clintons is a disgrace. It is an insult to all of us who have stood with them since the fifties and sixties. It never was us and them before!. Shame, and shame on you, Alter.

Posted By: MissyE @ 01/24/2008 18:24:01

Comment: Maybe I should now ask... "Well then wut should ah do seenz weez owe yuh soo much? Tell me kind suh, where wees should go and howz weez should assemble? But ah thought civil rights wuz fo evryone? " Didn't civil rights permit us to have a woman running for the white house today? And what does anyone owe you? People gave their LIVES for a better world. If you didn't believe you should have been true to yourself and threw rocks or stayed at home. There is no "Black Tax" that anyone owes you. And I was born in the 70s and am tired of being toldthat I'm black. I KNOW!!! Newsflash: Obama KNOWS. Tiger KNOWS. Condoleeza KNOWS! Stop bringing it up. You won't get invited to every party, that has nothing to do with anything. Geezs. We're "paid for" our ancestors worked and died. Some of our ancestors were BORN here in the U.S. and we claim it as our own country just like you do. So please stop telling me what I owe. If I knew anyone thought that was a downpayment on my identity, my soul, my vote... Oh my

Posted By: MissyE @ 01/24/2008 17:41:47

Comment: What are you talking about?

Posted By: DaveGravity @ 01/24/2008 18:09:47

Comment: If you're calling African-Americans "them" then you're not helping race relations. I'm sorry you feel betrayed by Oprah going to be with "her kind" but your comment makes it obvious how limited and conditional her free pass to the Limousine Liberal cocktain party is.

At least the Republicans don't pretend to be all-inclusive!

Posted By: multiple @ 01/24/2008 4:54:29 PM

Comment: Keep throwing trash to The Clintons., and what about the following comments :

DO NOT IGNORE ABOUT THOSE COMMENTS AND VIDEO Posted By: JohnFrost @ 01/23/2008 5:44:05 PM. ABOUT OBAMA ARE VERY SERIOUS: THIS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. They are already few things coming out from his past, or present life?

Les find out the true.

Posted By: Meri @ 01/24/2008 4:49:22 PM

Comment: Alter needs to go back to writing Obama's press releases. He worships Obama and he definitely dislikes the very fact that Hillary Clinton is running. Bill is right. The medial is forcing Obama down our throats and having voted for him for the U.S. Senate, he's been a BIG disapointment in that role and was a lackluster Illinois Senator. He's not running on his record. He had to pull out the race card. It's the only card he has. He doesn't have anything near Hillary's record, yet he insults her as a woman visiting with foreign leaders, as "having teas." No wonder women in NH reacted the way they did to Alter, Matthews, and other chauvinist pigs. Everytime Alter or Obama opens their mouth about Hillary, they probably toss a couple more voters her way. So keep it up Alter. Your plan has already backfired once.

Posted By: dbanana2 @ 01/24/2008 17:02:48

Comment: Alter, Matthews,

Posted By: dbanana2 @ 01/24/2008 17:00:51

Comment: I agree (and so does eveyone I know). Mr. Obama has been shoved down our throats. He is callow and basically inexperienced. All the experienced growwnups have had to leave the campaign as Obama complains about not being sure which Clinton he is running against. What is he going to do wwhen Ahminajad (sp?), Chavez, Osama, and Putin's successor challenge him? What are we? Lemmings going over the cliff??? Go HIllary!

Posted By: jillbogart44 @ 01/24/2008 4:25:32 PM

Comment: Bill is fine. Hillary is great. They are married. I love them both. She'll make a GREAT President!

Posted By: jillbogart44 @ 01/24/2008 4:23:38 PM

Comment: Ummmm...Bill could probaly sit back and let Hillary do this on her own, but she is his wife and he has been President - interesting pioneer position. She's brilliant - and I think will win in spite of Bill (whom I really like also, he just needs to let her speak for herself). I don't think he will matter, one way or the other in the long run as to whether or not she wins the election. It would be great to see her as President and Osama as Vice President -- hope that's the Demo outcome!

Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 01/24/2008 3:37:22 PM

Comment: Hillary should send Billy Boy off on an intern filled cruise ship for the remainder of the campaign. That should keep him quiet. That or it will keep the interns quiet since their mouths will be full.

Posted By: Clinton Lover @ 01/24/2008 3:28:57 PM

Comment: You know I am so sick of hearing trash talk about the Clinton's. When I heard Hillary was running for president I was excited! But... I also liked Obama. That said after further research I found things I didn't like about Obama. Plus as some of the ealier blogs have stated he is a liar! That right if you do your research he has lied about so much and he isn't even in the White house yet. Not just about his religon but about his issues. Wake up America Hillary for President!!!! As far as Bill goes expose Obama like they did you!!! (Ha, Ha)

Posted By: eagleye @ 01/25/2008 07:49:35

Comment: Enter Your CommentYep, you got that right if your a complete moran. Hillary can't find her legal files the courts requested from her law firm.. Poor ole Vince Foster didn't see it coming from the Clintons. Remember when Bill bombed the pill factory during his Monica scandal, and they found remenants of a blue dress in the exploded bomb. Hillary claimed later it was her that actually pushed the button to launch the missile. If your a lib, you probably are having a rough time figuring out what is truth and what is fiction, that is okay, take your time. Last thing to think about though, if Billary and Hillary the presidency, I wonder if they will hire a moving company to steal the rest of the items they missed the first time round.

Posted By: Tattletail007 @ 01/24/2008 3:25:41 PM

Comment: I hope that Bill reads all of these comments posted by others who are offended or concerned that his tactics are killing his wife's chances. Hillary should have a chance to be heard without the stigma of Bill's influence!!!

Posted By: shades of the past @ 01/24/2008 3:23:51 PM

Comment: Two of these candidates appear to have taken the "donkey" associated with their party to the highest level. It is bad for them and for the nation. Sooooooo, no vote for either, they act like 5th graders.

Posted By: Clinton Lover @ 01/24/2008 3:17:48 PM

Comment: I sure hope none of this negative stuff from the media detours any voter from making the right choice, and we all know the best man for the job is a woman!!! GO HILLARY!!!!!!

Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 15:15:08

Comment: waaaaaahooooooooo! also, we get bill back, which is huge! The economy sucks, thanks for nothing you republicans. Kiss your tax cut out your ass. Did the first one help us out? fraid not. Did the war boost our economy? fraid not. IS this tax rebate going to save us? fraid not. Bush and daddy Bush are going down in the history books as two of the worst presidents next to hoover. Will they care? No. They're little oil legacy they continue to build for themselves will speak volumes as to what they did and why. Cheney and all the rest of the B street gang will thrive. Nice job Republicans. Love your presidents the past 40 years.

Posted By: Be- Real @ 01/24/2008 3:15:07 PM

Comment: The fact that Mr Obama has said he is not muslim should allay all these fears that he is muslim. These rantings from a section of the American public is rather unfortunate considering the fact that a large chunk of the world is muslim. We should show more tolerance as paranoia will make Islam more appealing. In the early first millenium the Romans persecuted the christians only to have emporer Constantine embrace christianity in the 4th centuary A.D. This was the crucial time which catapaulted the religion started by the humble carpenter Jesus Christ and St Peter into what it is today.

Posted By: Tattletail007 @ 01/24/2008 3:05:51 PM

Comment: Bill was a good President and should try to remain in good standing with the American Public. Blacks saw him as a "Friend" to the oppressed. Does he now want to change that image, and make the Black American Public believe that he and Hillary share the same views on Blacks? Although Hillary has "buried the hatchet" by reconcilling with Sen. Obama and there is civility now, the public may now be thinking that Bill and his feelings on these issues may influence Hillary. Take a Back Seat Bill!!! Your term is over. Give Hillary a CHANCE!!!!

Posted By: lucha @ 01/24/2008 2:25:52 PM

Comment: Jobs aren't in America because US labor is way to expensive. America must spend less to assure economical wellbeing.

Democratic Votes rather must not be influenced by racism or prejudice or internal affairs but rather only by candidates' US. International Affairs interests and judgements towards foreign politics. That is what is all about, right now. Clinton's era was international concerned and stabilize US economy in the 90's ,a lot about that.( I think) they could do good or better this second (or third) time around.

Posted By: ThinkAgen @ 01/24/2008 2:22:31 PM

Comment: I have tremendous faith in this country, and it certainly has been tested over the past eight years The biggest problem facing this country, as I see it, is not that the Bush Administration is run by Republicans, but that it is run by a pack of liars... A pack of liars who are completely removed from and unapologetically unconcerned with what the people of this country actually want. Being the filthy untrustworthy swine that they are, they have shown over and over that they are willing do what ever it takes, including dividing the country to push their agenda.

The Clintons have already displayed a willingness to do whatever it takes to win the Whitehouse. Just as a rose by any other name will smell sweet, *** by any other name will smell rotten. Hillary certainly stinks of it; her campaign has effectively split the Democrat party, and would certainly divide the country if and when she won the presidency. That being said, there is no way Hillary Clinton will be getting my vote on Feb. 5th or on Nov. 4th.

George Bush is going to turn this country over to the next President in a disastrous state, with many open wounds and nasty sores. Wounds caused by two decades of partisan battling. The people of this country are going to have to unite, in order to sort out the last twenty years of battling; Hillary is not the person to do it, because her style of politics is one of division.

Posted By: shanjora @ 01/24/2008 2:19:54 PM

Comment: Bill had us out of national debt - i'm sure his business sense will be an attribute to hillary's reign. but remember is it just that - Hillary's Reign! She has all of the right experience...and i really don't want to hear about people's crap that suggests that she can't be tough or she's not likeable -- that is stupid. she can be tough, but not when she is in the running and the only female candidate that has ever had a chance to be president, wait til she's in office and doesn't have to play the role that society has deemed appropriate for her. then maybe some of you will pay attention to the important things about an intelligent person running our country.

Posted By: shanjora @ 01/24/2008 2:15:16 PM

Comment: yeah and Obama wants change that he can't actually specify so knowing who the hell he is would be helpful. bill is not running for anything here -- listen to Hillary, she wants change that she can explain and she wants to discuss the issues so we know what she will do when in office -- obama just wants change...wow, that is not hard to spew I WANT CHANGE! so did the nazis .... want to vote for that? I like to know what type of change i'm voting for beforehand, too bad some of you don't seem to care.

Posted By: cunningham5527 @ 01/24/2008 2:11:45 PM

Comment: Leave it to Hillary to send her husband out to do her dirty work. How lame is that? What kind of leader would she be if she's afraid to be tough? Pretty bad that she's afraid to tell it like it is; Obama has one year experience and it's stupid to vote for him. Of course, it's stupid to vote for Hillary also because she's got the wrong kind of experience and I for one have no desire to have a co-presidency with her little Billy boy. One was enough.

Posted By: Descision08N08 @ 01/24/2008 2:08:50 PM

Comment: It is good thing to have policy debate and argument and is another to trash someone for seeks of it. Clinton need to cool off or public will be reminded that of his term in office was full of investigations from whitewater to Monicagate. So, my friend cool it or your drive must of us to "REPUBLICAN" party.

Posted By: deeseg @ 01/24/2008 15:04:42

Comment: Your comment doesn't sound like you are ignorant enought to go "republican" Hilary is the best choice by far....

Posted By: eagleye @ 01/25/2008 07:34:21

Comment: Speaking of stupid, how about you trying this one on for size dummy. I jsut spoke with a friend of mine who happens to be the wife of a dentist that had practiced in his community for fourty two (42) years. I asked her if she thought she could walk in her husbands office, put on his scrubs and perform dental procedures. She looked at me and laughed. "Are you kidding." Hillary, are you kidding when you say you have 35 years of experience? Your out of your mind if you think I would give you a shot at running our country.

Posted By: kelly88 @ 01/24/2008 1:54:48 PM

Comment: I say keep firing away Bill, the more you talk the more it is clear that when you ran for office you had no good intentions for any race except the white. All you want to do is tell people what they want to hear to get the vote, then you turn on them like a double edged sword. The more damage you can do to your wifes campaign the better our country will be without HER or YOU! In addition to the wrongful misdoings, our country can't afford another sellout the way you sold us to the Chinese. We need a president in here that can regulate fair trade, and prevent industries from leaving, therefore creating a reason for them to stay ie.. JOBS FOR AMERICANS!!! TAX CUTS FOR THE CORPORATIONS THAT EMPLOY THEM!!!

Posted By: amhenry @ 01/24/2008 1:52:45 PM

Comment: I have read the comments from two of the other "members" and though not surprised that White Americans still display such hatred and venom when speaking of a Black American, it is still disturbing.

Do you really believe that all Black Americans decide how to vote based on race? If that were the case, we would not cast many votes. Do you think that women only vote for women or men for men?

Or is it that you think Black Americans are not able to make informed and sound decisions about their vote in any case?

Also, voting present instead of yes or no is a widely accepted and common practice used by legislators to show that they are willing to work with the sponsor of the bill but it needs work. Obama voted present 130 times out of his 4,000 casted votes as senator.

I say, vote for who you want to vote for because of what you think their attributes are and what they can do to lead this country. The hating and venom and sarcasm is your own personal problem.

Posted By: shanjora @ 01/24/2008 14:23:05

Comment: afterall the are all politicians so we are just looking for the lesser evil, right?

Posted By: stargazer08 @ 01/24/2008 1:46:28 PM

Comment: I think all these politicians who are running for the next presidency should really consider what direction or course this nation of OURS should be taking in the next four years and in the future after that. One direction is to be honest and truthfull towards the American people and what "our" governing politicians are up to, aren't we all more deserving than that. I think most Americans have had enough dishonesty and untruthfullness they can take. The former president B. Clinton takes us back to the 90's and when you look into Hillary's eyes I just don't see the sincerity that I see in Sen. B. Obama's eyes, when he speaks of change for our county, when he speaks of us as ONE nation, ONE people, a change of direction towards a better America for all of us and the world. Becareful of the Clintons they still represent the established Demo side of the politiburo of yesterday and today. I just don't trust something about H. R. Clinton

Posted By: independentgal @ 01/24/2008 1:37:32 PM

Comment: How can the American public even presume to support the wife of an ex-president who went through impeachment. If the husband lies, the wife lies right along with him, no pun intended. I don't care how liberated we are as a society, if it's okay for husband Bill to lie to the highest court in the land as well as the entire world, what makes you think she won't do the same? She may not sleep around, but can she be trusted? A woman who knows her husband is stealing or abusing her children and does nothing about it is just as guilty as he is. Please wake up America. DON'T VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!!

Posted By: suzanne_conaway @ 01/24/2008 1:37:11 PM

Comment: I was a HUGE Hillary supporter -- volunteering, donating, etc. until Bill started the mudslinging. Now I'm not sure.

I want a candidate to tell me what they'll do -- not attacks and dirt on the other candidates. I tend to vote for the candidate that uses the fewest "attack ads". With Bill's help, Hillary is losing that race.

Posted By: postivechange @ 01/24/2008 13:45:00

Comment: For those of you supporting Hilary because she is a woman is as bad as not supporting her because she is a woman. Do more research on what the Clintons did to America and Americans before you stand for her. She is not to be trusted.

Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 14:38:16

Comment: Okay, I can't wait, what did the Clinton's do to the American people?

Posted By: jalinney @ 01/24/2008 1:24:55 PM

Comment: I used to depend on Alter to give the straight scoop; he hates the Clintons and cannot be unbiased. Time for Alter to PIPE DOWN.

Posted By: Meri @ 01/24/2008 1:17:10 PM

Comment: I'm sure Jonathan Alter is out picking a Valentine's Day card ror Obama. This adoration and canonization of Obama is not playing well among women voters, who reacted to media portrayals of Hillary as a shill and Obama as Jesus Christ. I'm from Illinois and on important votes for women, children, and families he voted PRESENT more than 100 times, which means HE DIDN"T TAKE A STAND. A black male beating a woman out of a job that she is far more qualified for is NOT CHANGE. It's just more of the same old CRAP!

Alter is turning more people off by misquoting and misjudging Bill Clinton. Alter is not in a position to underestimate anyone after his prediction that Hillary would lose in NH. He can go back to writing Obama's press releases, which is about all Newsweek has been doing for moths anyway.

Posted By: sbuxman @ 01/24/2008 1:13:13 PM

Comment: The reality that one of the two is black and the other is Caucasian makes race an issue without it being raised by either. That someone in the Obama camp would attempt to distort a Clinton remark into a swipe at MLK is a sorry attempt to bait Clinton into stooping to the same depths to sway the masses. Fortunately, she's resisted, cinching the answer to the question of who's smarter!

Hey, if not-so-deftly playing the race card could get O.J. off scott-free for murdering two people in cold blood, why shouldn't B.O. try it, too? Let him get ALL the black delegates...too bad it won't be enough.

Time to get back to helping Simpson find those drug lords.

Posted By: sbuxman @ 01/24/2008 1:12:37 PM

Time to get back to helping Simpson find those drug lords.

Posted By: roxwashington @ 01/24/2008 1:12:08 PM

Comment: I sincerely believe that Clinton should not win. It is obvious that the Clinton's are having such negative comments on Obama's behalf, knowing that they have not as of yet disclosed what their financials looks like...I will defenitely vote for Obama, he has showed 100% to be worhty of a president.

Posted By: Meri @ 01/24/2008 1:09:00 PM

Comment: WHOA MALE CHAUVINISTS. Your good friend and mentor, Jonathan Alter is the one that needs to CALM DOWN. He's been putting words in Bill's mouth for weeks about how he was going to stump for Obama if Hillary didn't get the nomination. BS!!! He is so biased and sexist. He was the one that right before the NH about how Hillary wouldn't win and that Bill was thinking this and that LIKE BILL WAS HIS GREAT AND GOOD FRIEND WHEN HE"S NOT. He was wiling to bet me that Bill would stump for Obama if Hillary lost before she won in NH, which she wasn't SUPPOSED to do. Oh Alter, about that BET????

Posted By: captureasmile @ 01/24/2008 1:08:12 PM

Comment: Thank you President Clinton for being willing to lead our country again. We need your team "Clinton" to bring peace to our country. I voted for you once and I will vote for you again. Hurry, before All of America is left homeless with homeland security.

Your two for one sale is quite a bargain! No one can compete with your offer. If anyone doesn't agree, "YOU ARE A FOOL."

Posted By: piinalu @ 01/24/2008 12:48:52 PM

Comment: I think I just made up mind... I'm voting for Obama. Nice job Bubba...

Posted By: piinalu @ 01/24/2008 12:48:30 PM

Comment: I think I just made up mind... I'm voting for Obama. Nice job Bubba...

Posted By: cwroberson @ 01/24/2008 12:14:39 PM

Comment: "It's worth it to tarnish himself a bit now to win the presidency." This, unfortunately defines the Clintons. I'd rather have someone who won't "tarnish himself" and I hope that is Obama.

Posted By: firestorm @ 01/24/2008 11:52:22 AM

Comment: When Hillary and Bill destroy Obama with their sly but obvious attempt to play the race card out there and benefit from the gender card, they understand when Obama supporters stay home in droves in NOvember. Then where is the Victory? Senator Kennedy needs to stand up. He is the real soul of the party. The Clintons are a shameless disgrace.

Posted By: smn77 @ 01/24/2008 11:14:29 AM

Comment: This is from the perspective of an Edwards supporter:

Bill Clinton has every right to support and defend his wife. He is still a citizen, and is free to speak his mind, and to engage in political advocacy. He only started speaking up in reaction to the atrocious bias against Senator Clinton from the media and the Dem establishment (yeah, I know, we all thought the Clintons WERE the Dem establishment). This same bias has led to the virtual blackout of Senator Edwards??? campaign.

The anointing of Senator Obama has disgusted a great number of us.

Posted By: rr1952 @ 01/24/2008 13:07:56

Comment: During his Presidency, Bill sat back while Republicans chewed Hillary up and spit her out. It's high time he has come to her defense. Too bad he has to defend her against other Democrats. Do we all have to tiptoe around Obama just because Oprah says so?

Posted By: Becky M @ 01/24/2008 8:55:35 AM

Comment: Go to www.snopes.com and look up the muslim story and quit spreading ignorance. If you are not going to educate yourself on the facts, then don't vote and don't post on message boards. The drug thing was 20 years ago. Go to his site and look up his track record as a state Senator and a U. S. Senator and the fact that he is a Christian. It scares me that the future of the country lies in the hands of ignorant people who believe the most dramatic thing they read.

Posted By: yokingboot @ 01/24/2008 10:21:30

Comment: I find your lack of research very boring and respresentive of the ignorance that you your self mention, please do investigate more througthly Bill Clintons (the draft dodger, felon) background from the eraly 1960's.

Posted By: Agi08 @ 01/24/2008 8:48:59 AM

Comment: I find Senator Obama too cocky for the post.

Posted By: northpeter @ 01/24/2008 3:43:48 AM

Comment: I love reading comments like those posted by carl2008 below! Does he think most of the same things couldn't be said of the ambitions of the dynastic Bushes?! There's not much at this moment that could distract me from the mess we've gotten into during the reign of Bush fils. Bad financial decisions and the useless, senseless invasion of Iraq are current, but seeing Bill Clinton express his anger on the campaign trail takes me back to the days of Kenneth Starr's expensive inquisition and all the incredibly destructive tactics of his Republican political opponents. It is for me, also a lead-in to thoughts on the hijacking of the presidency in 2000. I for one can barely wait until after the August conventions. If Billary takes on the Republicans, little Obama will seem to have been an hors d'oeuvre. in that regard, Carl2008, indeed let's "look forward and not backward"...

Posted By: soundbite @ 01/24/2008 2:16:12 AM

Comment: If I were the democratic party leadership, I would be worried indeed. Four different true-blue democrat friends have told me, this week, independently, that if Hillary gets the nomination, they will vote for Bloomberg. _+++___-+++___________

Posted By: dlk24 @ 01/24/2008 06:31:56

Comment: I am a midwest democrat and I do not believe that Hillary stands any chance of winning against McCain and for the life of me, I cannot figure why the Democratic leadership doesn't understand how divisve her nomination would be. She cannot win in the general election.

Posted By: ThinkAgen @ 01/24/2008 14:21:51

Posted By: Joanne in Indy @ 01/24/2008 12:09:28

Comment: I too am a midwest Dem and agree that Hillary is too divisive. There are many Democrats, like myself, who will not vote for her if she is the nominee. That could hurt her chances of winning in the fall. I'm hoping the Republicans get it right and get McCain as their nominee. That would be an easy choice for me.

Posted By: DCSteve @ 01/24/2008 21:50:29

Comment: Your assertion seems to run counter to polling. LA TImes/Bloomberg has HRC beating McCain by 4 points, while Obama is tied -- although both are within the margin or error. And thinking about it, don't you think all the Clinton negative is alredy "priced into" that equation? With HRC she may not be a rose, but the republicans have been diggin dirt on her for yeear -- I suspect there is nothin else. DOn't know about Obama.

Being a life-long Democrat I get very disturbed by all these true-blue democrats on these boards that seem to be willing to vote for McCain or Bloomberg (if he decides to run -- I doubt he will because I don't think he will come in unless he thinks he can win, and all indications show little chance of that) if their candidate does not make it. Aren't you the ones dividing the democratic party? I suspect if Hillary gets beat she will be out campaigning for Edwards or Obama. I would hope the same would hold true, although I am starting to doubt it. Who are the dividers here?

Posted By: Aware! @ 01/24/2008 2:11:49 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton is a voice of reason in this time of media induced paranoia. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and fairness would have to admit that Hillary has had months of negative scrutiny while Obama enjoyed a pass. It is time for him to face like scrutiny. Who is this guy, and why should anyone consider him for president of the USA? His rhetoric is so generalized it reminds me of his vote of present. No accountability necessary if you don't say anything! I would be extremely uncomfortable to have him in the White House. Colin Powell would have been a legitimate choice for the first Black President but not this arrogant novice. Bill and Hillary have weathered the storm and earned their place and our respect. Obama hasn't earned anything.

Keep telling it like it is Bill Clinton.

Posted By: Joanne in Indy @ 01/24/2008 12:22:50

Comment: At one time Bill Clinton had my respect, I voted for that jerk... but all his sleazy antics kinda killed that. However you want to spin it, his little hissy fits are not worthy of a former president. He thinks his wife is entitled to the presidency, which certainly is his right, but at what cost? His antics are turning a lot of people off and that could hurt if Hillary does get the nomination. There will be a lot of Dems who will either stay home or vote Republican in the fall. I certainly will be one of them.

Posted By: yokingboot @ 01/24/2008 10:23:33

Comment: One more idoit comment about Bill clinton (draft dodger, felon), hase you forgotten the past?

Posted By: Carl2008 @ 01/24/2008 12:45:28 AM

Comment: The Clintons will do anything, say anything, promise anything to seize the nomination for Hillary...even if that means the destruction of the Democratic party. They are an arrogant power-hungry team whose campaign is flush with special interest and PAC money. Bill and Hillary see Barack Obama as a threat to their dominance and eventual control of the party. They are the ultimate defenders of the staus quo...who use their slash and burn style of politics to obscure the facts about their own records. Voters need to realize that with Hillary...you also get the philandering serial cheating ex-president. A lot has happened since the good old 1990s...9/11, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Katrina...just to name a few. We have to look forward and not backwards. Did Bill take his eye off Bin Laden cause he was too busy watching Monica? How dangerous would a co-presidency be? A Hillary nomination will unite the Republican party and drive independents to the GOP. Can Democrats afford to wait another 4 or 8 years to retake the White House? The Clintons do not own the Democratic party...nor should they. Senator Obama remains the only hope for true change! The Clinton attack machine has torn apart his personal life and record in a desperate attempt to discredit him. In doing so, they have demeaned themselves and the process.

Posted By: crenz @ 01/24/2008 18:03:52

Comment: Bill wants Hillary to win so he can get Monica as his suckatary

Posted By: Carl2008 @ 01/24/2008 12:44:43 AM

Posted By: multiple @ 01/23/2008 11:29:39 PM

Comment: As I said on other occasion, Obama IS NOT ready to be our president, He has to wait at least ten years to get one third or experience that Ms. Clinton has.

On the other hand, during the Clinton administration the economy of our Country WAS THE BEST that we had for the past decades. Tell me now! We have the worst economy just because all the expenses created by the war.

Ojo! For the Republicans, is favorable for Obama to win.

FACE IT! At the end the Republicans will wipe off Obama, and we will be deeper on the economy.

Posted By: Carl McMurray @ 01/23/2008 9:47:08 PM

Comment: Obama, as well as the rest of the country, needs to quit treating Bill Clinton as an ethical gentleman. A gentleman of his or any other age, while holding the office of arguably the most powerful person in the world, would not take advantage of a girl shortly out of her teenage years for his sexual pleasures; nor would a gentleman in that highest of political offices, continually commit perjury when being questioned about the matter. Chelsea Clinton is about the age of Bill's victim. I can't help but wonder about his reaction if some man took advantage of her the way Bill did Monica.

Further, Obama needs to quit treating Hillary as a lady. She is a woman running for office, but she is definitly not a lady. She continues to extol her "experience", without defining that experience, in part, as having been an attorney involved in the Whitewater scandal of the 1990's, along with the problems concerning missing or incorrect legal billings from her office. Her "experience" in dealing with foreign affairs was hand-carrying messages from Bill to leaders of foreign nations, perhaps with the intent of keeping her away from the oval office.

As one news commentator observed, if Hillary's years in the White House qualify her for office, then some of the kitchen staff of the White House are far more qualified, based upon their tenure there.

Carl McMurray, 2705 Crest Court, Keokuk, IA 52632 319-524-3220

Posted By: Thomas Everett Davis @ 01/23/2008 7:33:09 PM

Comment: This is the third time Bill has campaigned for president. Enough already.

Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 01/23/2008 4:44:44 PM

Comment: Anyone who thinks this is anything other than Bill's attempt at a third term is just kidding themselves. It's so funny that the same Democrats who think Bush has dictatorial leanings see nothing sinister about the former prez playing the role of vice prez for his wife (i.e. the hatchet man). It's an attempt to circumvent term limits plain and simple.

Posted By: grammagram @ 01/23/2008 2:51:00 PM

Comment: OK. WHO is running for President? Bill or Hillary? Is anyone else confused or down-right irritated by his blatent run for a 3rd term in the White House? By the way, I think law prohibits 3rd terms for a reason. Does anyone really think Hillary will be other than an 'acting' President? There is NO way she can stand up to him in any facet of life!

Posted By: Cannonball @ 01/23/2008 2:10:28 PM

Comment: Alter usually writes better than this. All anonymous quotes (due to the "sensitive nature"?) or quoting a "senior Obama advisor" is weak journalism. This is rumor-mongering. Also, the bit about the Charlie Rose show has been rebutted. Clinton was out of time and Charile said so when he tried to stop the interview. It had nothing to do with Bill's comments and noone collaborates any Clinton aides trying to stop the interview for any other reason. Finally, how are Kennedy and Emanuel considered "neutral" when they intercede on Obama's behalf - assuming this fiction were true? Whose water is Alter carrying anyway? Obama's?

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/23/2008 22:39:34

Comment: Party leaders should intervene to protect the party, not Mr. Obama. The scorched-earth campaign of the Clintons, who are willing to exploit any possible divide, will turn off to many independents as well as democrats; leave it up to the Dems. to blow it again in November,,, The personal and false attacks go way beyond "politics as ususal" (by any one's standard, except Clintons, Rove and Atwater), and they show exactly what this country is sick of/about, and why we need to move on - Anyone But Clinton!

Posted By: pbr90 @ 01/23/2008 1:59:13 PM

Comment: In 2008, it is rather luck of the draw for the other candidates in deciding to enter the 2008 election race knowing that Hillary (with Bill by her side) would be the force to overcome.

It's not at all clear that former President Clinton should be expected to pipe down. Even though it isn't his race, he surely has as much opportunity to offer support that other spouses are offering. If that happens to be more effective, it may be the nature of the beast rather than unfair advantage.

After all, in 1992, Hillary had her say, but may not have been as effective then as he is now.

Comparing apples to oranges doesn't make much sense, and trying to turn an apple into an orange is folly.

Since the apple was fully obvious from the beginning, every candidate faces the same problem, Republican or Democrat. The apple is there whether people like it or not. Hasn't spouse acceptance always been a part of choosing a President?

Posted By: impossibleshot @ 01/23/2008 11:58:14 AM

Comment: could not agree more.

Posted By: karaswart @ 01/23/2008 7:12:52 AM

Comment: I can't believe that you guys voted out Al Gore because Bill got a blow job or too. Talk about mistaken priorities..War is fine; blow jobs aren't!!!

Posted By: yh132 @ 01/23/2008 1:32:18 AM

Comment: I am a lifelong loyal Democrat, but I am an Obama supporter and am disgusted with the way the Clintons are lashing out at him. Keep it up, Bill, and I am voting for McCain in the fall if Obama is not on the ticket.

Posted By: tkjer @ 01/22/2008 11:31:54 PM

Comment: Bill and Hillary might be winning the campaign games, but they are damaging our democracy by continuing the engage in the shenanigans used by Bush and his minions. Boldfaced lying has replaced tactical barbs. Will they "Swift Boat" Obama? You betcha! She'll win the nomination and lose the election. You are such suckers!

Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 01/22/2008 10:50:35 PM

Comment: Bills got the skill.

Hill up Hillary still.

Hilary at Capitol Hill !

Posted By: faminchin @ 01/22/2008 10:05:41 PM

Comment: You know, the biggest problem this country has, are all the people walking around with their heads stuck up either a donkey or elephants butt! Perhaps somebody can help me understand what the difference is between the two?

From what I see, we elect our local politicians to go to Washington and represent our best interest, and instead they go to Washington and start living the lifestyle of the rich and famous, and represent the best interest of their particular party without regard to what's best for the people.

Our politicans keep us divided between donkeys and elephants, while they continue to rob us blind! This is something our founding fathers warned about in the Federalist Papers. This is why our congressmen were not orginally paid. They volunteered their time, 3-4 months of the year, to go to Washington and take care of the country's business and then returned home to take care of their own business. Now it has become a career that pays 4-7 times the average household income and comes with a retirement package that cannot possibly be matched by private industry.

In the mean time, like mindless robots, you people walk around with your head stuck up a donkey or elephants butt.....wanting desperately to believe that one party is better than the other.....when the truth is......they are both the same. The only time you will see these two parties work together on anything, is when they are preventing a third party from being heard. They will come together when their lifestyles are at risk to prevent a third voice from being heard!

Posted By: amhenry @ 01/24/2008 14:01:46

Comment: Enter Your Comment

I think you got it right!

Posted By: qa_frank @ 01/23/2008 13:44:54

Comment: You are correct - there are no Republicans or Democrats - only politicians. People are mistaken when they claim we live in a democracy - we are a REPUBLIC founded with democratic ideals. With 28 years of a Bush or Clinton in the White House as VP or President, with Big Oil, Big Banks, or any other corporation controlling the lives of this country's citizens, you'd think we'd wake up. No, we'd rather watch American Idol, Biggest Loser, and Whore Swap, and blame everybody else for our problems. Of course, I could be wrong.

The revolution will be televised, but we'll only see the reruns.

Posted By: morales620 @ 01/22/2008 9:35:47 PM

Comment: Gasbesmall the republican party has no chance in winning this election. The American people have open their eyes to see that republicans only care about making the rich man richer, attempting to take civil liberties, and scarying us into submission. That is why democratics took the house in 2006. Obama or Hillary will crush any republican candidate and bring the party together.

Posted By: Temesgen19 @ 01/22/2008 8:03:36 PM

Comment: The Clintons seem to be determined to restore their dynasty. They will do anything they can to stop Obama, the only real threat to their resurrecting dynasty. This is not good for our democracy.

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/22/2008 7:05:04 PM

Comment: Hillary Clinton is our best chance to unite and rally the Party!... The REPUBLICAN Party, that is... VOTE OBAMA!

Posted By: bluerthanbluestate1 @ 01/22/2008 7:02:43 PM

Comment: If the press had been fair early on and had scoured Obama to the degree they scoured the other candidates on policy issues, having a strong spokesman doing the media's job of finding facts about Obama would not be role Bill Clinton would need to do. Bill Clinton is just trying to even the playing field. I would think Obama would welcome the chance to set us all straight about his accomplishments. Apparently not.

Posted By: Aware! @ 01/24/2008 02:22:07

Comment: You are exactly right!

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 20:04:23

Comment: Wait a minute... the biggest "pass" any candidate got is Hillary, for voting for a WAR, without reading the 94-page National Intelligence Estimate - a classified doc. Sen. Graham fought so hard to give the Senators access to, while NO ONE of HRC's staff had clearance to do so. I bet she did read the polls that day! Experience? Judgement?

Posted By: bluestate1 @ 01/22/2008 6:59:23 PM

Posted By: Thebigkate @ 01/22/2008 5:53:09 PM

Comment: What can one expect from an entitled, narcissistic person with no boundaries? And with Mark Penn as chief strategist to boot. I think we are just seeing the beginning of "Billy's Tantrum Tour!"

Posted By: Thebigkate @ 01/22/2008 5:52:28 PM

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 5:21:59 PM

Comment: Democrats should gun to be the anti-Reagan. Establish a 60% majority and sweep through elections for the next quarter century. You guys need to stop quivering in fear.

Posted By: sean2002 @ 01/22/2008 4:57:49 PM

Comment: Bill and Hill have the experience of being the most powerful figures on earth. Just like the Lord of Ring depicts once people have tasted that kind of power, they are hooked, they will do anything to grab that power again. That's exactly the reason, for the sake of our democracy, we should not allow the same group of people in power for too long. Absolute power corrupts people and make people become arrogant. In this country, there are enough talented leaders, we should give others the chance instead of the old name called Clinton.

Posted By: qa_frank @ 01/23/2008 13:50:07

Comment: Why stop now? A Bush or Clinton has been in the White House since 1980. With Jeb and the daughters lined up for dibs, why not just declare this country a du-archy and let those families swap control every eight years? I know, I know: people have television to watch, SUVs to drive, and weight to gain... Why else would the masses allow themselves to be buried in shite and only complain about the smell?

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/22/2008 4:54:02 PM

Comment: Seeking Truth: I will give you some truth. It is not the job of the government to give wealth to anyone. Get a brain. ... if you had one, you would still be a republican.

Posted By: Seeking Truth @ 01/22/2008 4:31:41 PM

Comment: As a former Reagan supporter, I would now vote for any Democrat in the field against any Republican. Do believe that although Clinton (Republican light) and Obama (good ideas, but weak plans) are both very intelligent and talented and could do a far superior job compared to what is happening now. However, the Republican's "Southern Strategy" will wipe either or both out. Let's face facts, in the South there are those who would never vote for a Woman, no matter what they claim in public, just as there are those who would never vote for a Black. They will lose with great words of platitude and bring out enough ultra-conservative types to win borderline races for the the Republicans.

Has anyone noticed that despite the polls showing John Edwards defeating any of the Republicans that he gets nothing but negative press? Could it be that he is the only one talking about the Middle/Working Class getting a fairer share of the wealth; he is not taking large corporate contributions as the other two do; is talking about re-regulating the anti-trust activities of the huge mega-corps., and is not spending $ millions on corporate adverting in print or TV? Could it be that Edwards is really the one that Karl Rove and the elitist super-rich fear the most?

Posted By: practicaltruth @ 01/25/2008 12:58:17

Comment: I believe you are right on point. The Republicans do not want John Edwards as the candidate because he will be the hardest for them to defeat. I cannot believe the voters do not see that. Over one-half of the party say they will not vote for Hillary. How on earth could she win a general election? If the Democrates want to give the White House to the Republicans for four more years, just nominate Hillary and see what happens.

Posted By: public4 @ 01/22/2008 3:51:28 PM

Comment: Just last week the New York Times falsely accused Hillary of implying that Martin Luther King 'needed a white man's help." Hillary never said that. But now Obama needs Ted Kennedy's help to protect him from Bill Clinton. Do I have to say it? Bill treats Obama like a man. Kennedy treats Obama like a damsel in distress. It says a lot about Obama that he accepts this patronizing 'help' from the party. When has the party ever told one campaign to take it easy on the other.

Posted By: Aware! @ 01/24/2008 02:25:28

Comment: Good comment1 :)

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 16:08:45

Comment: It's not Obama that needs Kennedy's protection, it;s the democratic party! Leave it to the dems to hand it to the GOP. With every day this scorched-earth politicing of the Clintons continues, there are going to be more and more dems who will refuse to vote for their current opponent, and more independents turning to the GOP. And without the independents, there is no win in November, esp. if the party nominee will not be able to turn out its own. Shame on you, Clintons, and shame on the party leaders for letting thme damage the party without speaking up!

Posted By: Joanne in Indy @ 01/22/2008 17:44:56

Comment: I totally agree! There seems to be a sense of entitlement on Bill's part, and he will do anything to get back to the White House. If Hillary gets the nomination, I will be voting Republican. I just hope that Republican is John McCain, otherwise, it's really going to be going into that voting booth...

Posted By: phyllisstoffman @ 01/22/2008 3:41:56 PM

Comment: iam a strong Obama support -- adn another Democrat who will not for a Clinto again. I will vote for McCain who will be a much better and respected presidietn than Clinton --- I will also not vite for her again for US senator in NY -- she got my vote twice -- nto again.

I think referring to her as a former first lady runnign for President --as the mayor of Atlanta did yesterday -- is much morfe accurate than the first woman viable candidte for pres.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 16:10:57

Comment: Do read the text of the endorsement of "The State" of Sen. Obama, and why the Clintons cannot unify any party but the GOP!

Posted By: phyllisstoffman @ 01/22/2008 3:39:18 PM

Comment: I agree --I am another Democrat who voted twice for Bill adn Twice for Hillary in New York. But I am a strong Obama supporter and wil nto f votge for Hclkintonnnn

Posted By: phyllisstoffman @ 01/22/2008 3:37:42 PM

Comment: mmm

Posted By: kjb79 @ 01/22/2008 2:34:04 PM

Comment: I'm going to stick up for Bill Clinton. Mainly, because no other man has ever been in this postion in all of American history. When reporters interview him, they try to sneakily get him to support Obama. They ask, "wouldn't it be great to elect a black president?" What the hell is the man supposed to say? No one is asking Michelle Obama, "Wouldn't it be great to elect a female?" The Democratic party wants him to pipe down, because they want him to support whoever gets the nomination. But obviously, his loyalties are to his wife as they should be for crying out loud. I'm sorry Edwards and Obama are not going to get the support of one of the greatest democratic presidents in modern history, but that's the end of it. Accept it and respect it.

Posted By: Aware! @ 01/24/2008 02:26:48

Comment: I agree!

Posted By: yh132 @ 01/23/2008 01:35:45

Comment: Loyal to his wife?? If he had been loyal to his wife while he was President, Gore would have won in 2000 and we wouldn't have had the Bush/Cheney NIGHTMARE for the past several years.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 17:18:37

Comment: Loyalties! Wife! Good one, good one. This place is pure comedy.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 16:15:16

Comment: LOL!!! - "his loyalties to his wife"?!?! This is someone who distracted and divided our country for years, forgetting exactly that - leading to a fired-up GOP that gave us Bush!

Posted By: auggie2 @ 01/22/2008 2:29:18 PM

Comment: There are a lot of reasons why I don't like Hillary, but the strongest of them is nothing compared to the distain I have for Bush/Chaney for what they've done to this nation, the Constitution, the enviroment, the economy, the DoJ, and the people of Iraq. The BEST attribute Hillary has is that (I hope) she is vindictive enough to continue investigations and prosecutions of the Bush/Chaney criminals. This would benefit everyone, including Clinton haters. If a president is set to hunt down ex-prez for their criminal activity while in office, it would reign in a lot of this crap. Do you think we'd have had Iran-Contra, BJ-gate, and the whole B/C fiasco if Ford had NOT pardoned Nixon and The Dick had spent a few of his remaining years behind bars? I'm willing to find out. (and please spar me your, "Let's just let it end and play nice" bs. Do you think the rightwing is going to disappear if a Democrat wins in Nov.?)

Posted By: auggie2 @ 01/22/2008 2:19:39 PM

Comment: There are alot of things I don't like about Hill, but the worst of them can't come near the distain I have for Bush/Chaney. Bill got a BJ; Bush/Chaney f***** the nation, the Constitution, the enviroment, jusitice, and the people of Iraq. The BEST thing about Hillis she has the vindictiveness (I hope) to continue investigations and prosecutions against the criminals now in the executive wing. And please don't give me that, "Let it all end" bs. A deterent has to be created. DO you think all this, or Iran-Contra would have happeded if Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon and let the Dick sit in a jail cell for a few years? Besides, do you think the Rightwing is going to "play nice" if Hillary wins?

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 14:29:26

Comment: Where will all this increased rhetoric get us? Probably a win for the GOP in November. The % of dems that will never vote for HRC is increasing by the day, and the independents are running to McCain. This issue is that the elected officials in the party seem unable and unwillilng to make sure this scorched-earth is not damaging the party to a point that will hurt us all, not just Sen. Obama. SPEAK UP, dem. party leaders! Again, Roves smiles!

Posted By: BoGilles @ 01/22/2008 1:47:54 PM

Comment: Bill can't hurt her or help her.

This country is not ready for a woman President, especially Hillary who cares only about herself and political future. We have seen crocodile tears before, but a few people got caught with the well planned act. Have no fear, Hillary wont lead.

Posted By: greboo46 @ 01/22/2008 1:22:56 PM

Comment: I donot believe that bill is hurting her campaign.. I believe he should stick with her records.However if and when Obama attacks. Bill will attack back. So Obama is going to have to expect it.. It's all about Politics... this is how it is.. And Obama is not going to change it now or in the near future... greg

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 14:23:11

Comment: Seems to be a common thead among Clinton supporters: it's nasty, it's politics, get used to it... The point is, we are SICK of it, enough already... There are people and issues were we can agree on beyond party lines, there are tactics that are NOT acceptilbe. The Clintons will drag any one down in their path - ever wondered why HRC's negatives are so high? Think we've been divided the last few years? This unsavory campaign shows we ain't seen nothing yet - same old, same old. We deserve better!

Posted By: amhenry @ 01/24/2008 14:20:18

Comment: I agree.The fact that politicans continue to distract us with mudslinging and racism and fear of racism is not a reason to accept it.

Let's talk about the issues that face our nation and the world we live in and they vote for who you think will be the better leader.

Posted By: pmcs @ 01/22/2008 1:20:32 PM

Comment: Bill+Hillary --- we are sick of political dynasty with G.W.Bush and G.H.W.Bush already.

I was big supporter for Bill for all these years. What you are doing for your wife is completely disgusting. You are alienating many Obama supporters and the Af4rican Americans. For sure, I for one, a lifelong devoted Democrat, will not vote for Hillary if she reprents my party in the general election -- because of your way, negative and divisive politics even within my own party -- not to mention what kind of campaign you and your wife will run against the republican nominee, which is already sickening me -- I will never vote for you/your wife. You and your wife should retire and fade into history. You are damaging America more than you think.

Posted By: yh132 @ 01/23/2008 01:37:00

Comment: Ditto!!! Me too. Dynastic politics are not healthy for a democracy.

Posted By: pmcs @ 01/22/2008 1:18:49 PM

Comment: Bill+Hillary --- we are sick of political dynasty with G.W.Bush and G.H.W.Bush already.

Posted By: jrbail @ 01/22/2008 11:35:32 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton was disbarred for perjury. He does not even have the ethics necessary to be a lawyer. How does he think he has the moral authority to question Barack Obama's ethics?

Posted By: Guano @ 01/25/2008 21:51:31

Comment: The ethics to be a lawyer...hilarious.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 14:41:12

Comment: Interesting that Bill gets all worked up now, against a fresh voice in the same party who is bringing a very large group of young voters - the future - into the party. Where was he these past 7 years, with his outrage?? Oh, I forgot, making $$$ and schmoozing with his good friend Bush Sr. he makes it more clear every time he opens his mouth - it;s all about them/him, always, at any cost...

Posted By: Harlequinade @ 01/22/2008 11:13:15 AM

Comment: I'm getting frustrated with both Obama and Clinton's campaigns... and I wish they would stop calling me on my cell phone, or I will vote for McCain!

Stop fighting and start talking issuse and solutions! Stop Arguing!

I'm hoping for a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket. At this point I'm not caring which way is which... but keep this up and I'll switch to McCain! I like McCain anyway, he's done extremely well... when he wasn't influenced by the Bush Administration...

Posted By: Swift2001 @ 01/22/2008 11:04:36 AM

Comment: Here's the thing. Who is Bill embarrassing? You, Jonathan? Why? Because he criticizes somebody in a political race? Oh, my heart's a-flutter. When will Democrats, including slimy little quislings like Rahm Emmanuel -- he's from Chicago, isn't he? what other politician is from Chicago? Oh. -- stop snitching on other party members to the press. Ted, Rahm, if you don't like what the Clintons are doing, be men: call them on the phone. Don't embarrass the party by snitching to Jonny Alter. Why is it that Democrats always do this coward's maneuver?

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 12:25:31

Comment: Bill is an embarrasment to himself, and to all of us. If his wife cannot stand on her own feet, she has no place in this race. This power-hungry couple will do ANYTHING to win this primary, but it may just cost the party the election in November, AS a life-long dem. voter, I never thought I'd find myself in this position, but I pledge to never vote for a Clinton again. Party elders, look at the numbers!

Posted By: pmcs @ 01/22/2008 13:28:22

Comment: As some Repulicans who voted for George W., after voting for Daddy Bush, will REGRET big time for having done so in the last election, all of us Dems will REGRET big time IF we ever elect Hillary.

Bill and Hillary will be both Presidents. America with TWO sitting Presidents! I abhored the name Bush on Ballot. I abohor the name Clinton on my Ballot.

For the first time in my life, I will vote for Clinton's opponent in ALL elections. I am a New Yorker BTW.

Posted By: paulte @ 01/22/2008 13:16:14

Comment: Glad to hear this! I hope a lot of other Dems out there have the same view! Go Obama, go!

Posted By: paulte @ 01/22/2008 10:47:08 AM

Comment: But where would Hillary be without Bill? If she hadn't been First Lady, would she have been able to get elected to the Senate? I think that he is an integral part of her campaign and he will be an integral part of her administration if (God forbid!) she gets elected to the Presidency!

Posted By: brock @ 01/22/2008 9:59:32 AM

Comment: As much as I believed in the Clintons at the beginning, they have lost me purely on the choice of campaign that Hillary has chosen to allow to stand for her. Previous to declaring her intentions to run, she was a different person on the issues that she appears to be now. It's like she's been channeling her husband too much, even after she "found her voice". Didn't she have a "voice" this whole time in the Senate?!

Posted By: pmcs @ 01/22/2008 13:35:34

Comment: Re:"even after she "found her voice". "

Hillary's voice through Bill's mouth? Folks, impeach Hillbilly Hillabill Billary -- where is Ken Starr when we need him ? Now Starr can help Democrats with this.

Posted By: anilmal @ 01/22/2008 8:34:46 AM

Comment: I am dissappointed that prominent democrats like Kennedy, Carter have kept quiet while the clintons are basically destroying the democratic party in their greed for office. It may behoove them to remember that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who stay neutral and keep silent while evil rages

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 09:21:52

Comment: My feelings exactly! Can't they read the writings on the wall that every day the Clintons keep up this scorched-earth campaign, there are more life-long dems who pledge NEVER to vote for a Clinton again, plus the independents will flock to McCain. They can do the math! To exploid any division and to do and say anything is damaging to the party! Where are they? Gore, Dean, any elected official, even the one that endorsed HRC, should come out PUBLICLY; Bill thinks it's working and will continue. So endorse Obama and make this power-hungry couple stop destroying the party. Rove smiles......

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/22/2008 12:57:08

Comment: The Rovians have been licking their chops for a Billary nomination long before Obama entered the national scene. I wouldn't be surprised if they are lending Billary a hand in defeating Obama. If they can help edge out Obama, they get to run against a Clinton campaign representing a slashed and burned, demoralized party. It'll be a cake walk. BILLARY CAN'T BEAT THE GOP! VOTE OBAMA!

Posted By: greboo46 @ 01/22/2008 4:14:44 AM

Comment: Maybe Bill could cool it a bit. HOWEVER, He is going to set the record straight when Obama and or Edwards attacks Hillary. And he should. And when Obama lies about his record. Look this is Politics. So Obama did start the attacks now he is being piled on. Now he knows what it feels like. Dish it out, and now you must take. Welcome to the world of Pol. Obama this is the world you wanted. greg

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 09:43:55

Comment: What planet were you on the last few weeks? The Clintons would drag Mother Theresa down if they thought she was standing in the way of their power grab. Speaking of the "record" - can anyone in Hillaryland explain why she voted for a WAR, "with conviction" but without reading the 94-page classified national Intelligence Estimate (knowing no staffer had clearance to do so!) Experience? Judgment?? Where is the press, pointing out that this is the kind of "leadership" we might get (Oh, we have that already today...) And let's not forget, "Bill was against the war from the beginning, too"... Too bad for all these speeches that have been recorded where even Slick Willy cannot parse his own words any further.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 06:52:46

Comment: I'm starting to think someone should just make the ads. There's no reasoning with foaming at the mouth and indifference to facts.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 3:06:03 AM

Comment: Oh, yeah, that whole Willy Horton bit is true. They would blame you for that if they had to and could. Sometimes the truth hurts. But, Obama, you're in the public eye, and you have to say it. Your 'gloves off' makes it look like you don't want to call a spade a spade. I seem to remember King criticizing those who wouldn't oppose Vietnam because they wanted to "go along with the Administration." He laid it out there. Did some friends and allies feel good, no. Did it need to be said? Yes.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 3:01:17 AM

Comment: I'm still waiting for someone to use King's speeches, take the Clintons' words and make some very good anti-King spoof television ads. That'll take some former Nixon and Goldwater supporter down a few notches.

Posted By: c-muoneke @ 01/22/2008 2:52:06 AM

Comment: Obama, please don't let HILL-BILL "swift boat" you. You better keep those gloves off Bro, or next they'll be blaming you for Willy Horton.

Posted By: c-muoneke @ 01/22/2008 2:51:21 AM

Comment: Obama, please don't let HILL-BILL "swift boat" you. You better keep those gloves off bro, or next they'll be blaming you for Willy Horton.

Posted By: timhebb @ 01/22/2008 2:26:33 AM

Comment: To "Starving Actor": Keep starving!

Posted By: jnwilderness @ 01/22/2008 12:55:12 AM

Comment: One thing that, as layman, we can all agree that during the Bill Clinton years there was economic prosperity. Perhaps not for everyone, but still he did leave a surplus. However, two years into his presidency the republicans took control of congress. Why that happen still remains a mystery to me and it defys logic. Nevertheless, we had a Republican Controlled Congress and only recently was it wrestled away from them. As a country, we suffered endless attacks from the republicans on the Clintons and bore the expense of costly investigations and, frankly as a nation, became more divided.

Now I have nothing personal against Mrs. Clinton she is a very intelligent individual and I think that she can do a far more effective job in congress than in the White House. Unfortunately, she does bring some "baggage" with her that I believe that we as a nation should not be subjected to again. We should not be investing in "dynasties". It is time for change and exchanging Bill's pants for Hillary's skirt is NOT change. I frankly am not interested in seeing a repeat of history. If you want to see the Republicans resume control of Congress in 2010 and watch as they reengage in frivolous banter, while giving the Multinational Corporations more power, then by all means vote for her. But also remember you are NOT just getting her you are also getting him and I'm sure that their are numerous republicans that have still not finished with him.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 09:36:15

Comment: Why the Congress veered right under Clinton is no mystery!!! The ideas, those years (not the right ones, but the "narrative" was all the way in the GOP camp, because BILL LET IT THERE, with all his triangulation, and alienation of a large part of the dem. base. remember the "contract with America" days...? That's when the dialogue really had shifted away from a dem. agenda, under Bill's watch...

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/22/2008 12:41:38 AM

Comment: No democrat should be elected- black, white, brown, yellow, because democrats are stupid marxist morons who really hate the freedom we have, and want to take over our lives and dictate to us- after trying to erase our ability to defend ourselves of course. If Condi would run, she is a woman, and a black, who I could vote for, because she is an American, not a democrat.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 03:08:48

Comment: Yeah, I hate Democrats, especially that really early one, Thomas Jefferson. F-er. Somebody told me he wrote some Declaration of Independence, but I always knew he was Red. Keep starvin'.

Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 15:00:21

Comment: We're not starving for any thanks to the Republicans pal. I loathe them all. I'd take a wife cheating liar scum over a money hungry, self serving lying scumbags in office anyday of the week. Say good bye to the middle class, and remember, you're getting exactly what you deserve. As a Democrat, I knew eight years ago that a Republican in office would be good bye to the middle class. Enjoy!!! Oh, and seeing how the truth is starting to come out about this economy and impending recession before the election and a democrat will get in? You'll drive us out after four years because of all the whining you'll do because we couldn't solve it in four years. We spent money wisely, instead of just giving it away. Oh, that george bush, he's soo nice. he's throwing us some pennies, when he and his and cheney and his have secured their oil legacy right where they want it. (especially if that airbase gets built in the middle east). This was a war about oil. Bush doesn't give a *** about Bin Ladin. He was the excuse he needed. It's just a little too convenient how all this played out. I hate to support any conspiracy theory of any kind, but time tells all.

Just like Kennedy, we thought that was all a conspiracy theory too. Who ever thought the mafia had the balls to kill a president and his brother? How about a few thousand people? How much were the twin towers insured for and how much did the owner collect? Why would Bin Ladin give that to a jew? What was he thinking? Or who was he helping? There was a second shooter on the grassy knoll? Oswald worked for the mob? These questions were just as crazy sounding as the conspiracy theory building about 9/11. Hopefully, time will tell all.

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/22/2008 12:41:38 AM

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Posted By: Dr. Cyberstudy @ 01/22/2008 12:29:59 AM

Comment: MLK just turned overr in his grave to have bill Clinton cleeping in the church when MLK, Jr was speaking. Shame on you once again FORMER Mr. President. I suspect he's so tired is because he spends a lot of time as THE Candidate and the Spouse.

Posted By: Far Away @ 01/22/2008 12:16:01 AM

Comment: I wish The other Clintton in the campaign would step up his criticism of Obama, the more he does it the harder she will fall. It should be clear to everyone by now that the twin candidates feel strongly that they are ENTITLED to your vote. I wonder how African Americans feel when the listen to those two whipping Obama.

The twin candidates were shaken to the core when Obama won Iowa. Never in their wildest dream did they think it would happen. Their pettiness, nastiness and old politics have proven who they really are and that they would go to any lengths - even crying, as both of them are so damned good at doing - tto distort and confuse. They will never return to the White House. so keep on doing what you're doing Billy Boy

Posted By: Jules1974 @ 01/21/2008 11:28:47 PM

Comment: I???m proud of Obama because of his courage to run for president that the dream of MLK.

Some Blacks are still having slave mentality of YES MASTER! They can???t believe that a young black man like Obama make it happen getting vote from young generation white and black, in Iowa blacks are just less than 2% but Obama won. You old blacks can???t you see that Americans want a change? Please don???t stop this dream go out and vote Obama. Remember people like Obama take generations to show up; he is the only President who can unite Americans.

Bill Clinton pretend to be black???s president is lies, because he never even promote any blacks in his administration, like we can see in Bush administration with high ranking blacks. Remember when somebody encourage you to go for welfare like food stamps, free housing that not love from Bill Clinton that was making blacks always asking help from Whites.

Posted By: Jules1974 @ 01/21/2008 11:27:55 PM

Comment: I???m proud of Obama because of his courage to run for president that the dream of MLK.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 11:19:55 PM

Comment: 24 years. It's only a quarter of a century! What's the big deal?

Posted By: av3who @ 01/21/2008 23:35:21

Comment: 24 years is a long time for POWER TO CORRUPT.

Posted By: av3who @ 01/21/2008 11:17:39 PM

Comment: THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR FOREFATHERS ENVISIONED FOR AMERICA: BUSH-CLINTON-CLINTON-BUSH-BUSH-CLINTON. TWO FAMILIES DOMINATING THE WHITE HOUSE FOR 24 YEARS. AND IF YOU DONT THINK BILL IS GOING TO HAVE ANY INFLUENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS ALREADY DONE IN THIS CAMPAIGN. THE SENATE SHOULD RUSH THROUGH A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ASAP. THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.

Posted By: HigherMinds @ 01/21/2008 11:07:24 PM

Comment: I watched the news clips and what I saw was a man setting clear boundaries about not being misquoted or having his words twisted.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 10:20:26 PM

Comment: Hillary??!!! WTF??? I thought Bill was running against Obama.

Posted By: DKR1995 @ 01/21/2008 7:59:06 PM

Comment: Ted Kennedy needs to shut up. Bill Clinton only raped a woman whereas Ted drove one off a bridge into the water and left her to drown.

Posted By: rvguytoo @ 01/21/2008 7:56:37 PM

Comment: Now idiot boy Billy Bob Clinton showed his "respect" at a MLK event by falling asleep right next to the speaker ON THE STAGE IN FULL VIEW OF ALL ATTENDING, and glanced at his watch several times just to rub it in. Hey stupid, just don't show up if you don't want to look like an abosolute A$$! NICE WAY TO SHOW RESPECT, YOU #### IDIOT.

Posted By: rvguytoo @ 01/21/2008 7:56:31 PM

Posted By: dorasellshouses @ 01/21/2008 7:31:44 PM

Comment: I think is awesome to see a former Ex-president be suportive of his wife. to go to those lenghts to help her win. I bet you now he understands the difficulty that women have to go through in life. he is an awesome husband and leader, he is not perfect but i commend him for being so supportive. America let's not be dumb we are getting two very experieced people for the price of one.

Posted By: amhenry @ 01/24/2008 14:31:50

Comment: Are you kidding me? Do you believe what you just wrote? That's funny stuff!

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/22/2008 12:40:38

Comment: Replace "experienced" with "polarizing", and you've hit the nail on the head.

Posted By: loislane88 @ 01/21/2008 7:23:13 PM

Comment: To Holy Roller: I'll b ewearing a blck burka, you racist pig.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 22:33:43

Comment: Race has nothing whatsover to do with my comment. The fact that he is a closet mohommed is the problem. When Americans are willing to let someone who is representative of a group that would love to see the United States destroyed, then we have a serious problem. I know he denies this, but what if he is a LIAR! A mans name speaks volumes.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:48:48

Comment: Hey HolyRoller, here's a big secret: I'm a closet Jonathan! Psssttt: don't tell anybody.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 23:01:15

Comment: Hey, what are you doing in Mohammed's closet? Come on, spill the beans! It's okay to come out, you now.

Posted By: NOTLAS @ 01/21/2008 6:49:21 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton???s conduct in this race is disgraceful. He shows no grace, no long term view, and no sense of balance. This is not the role of a former President. If his wife cannot win with his biased but balance and respectful, ???none attack dog role???, then she does not deserve to win. If she has the most experience, the best judgment, able to run things on day one, then why does she require her husband to win by playing such a role?

This is exactly why we must not give Bill Clinton a third term. They cannot even unite the Democratic Party even with a president like George Bush, how on earth will they be able to unite this country. The kinds of problems that we are confronted with cannot be resolved with a country so deeply divided. What was the positive thing about Reagan, whether you like his policies or not, and I mostly did not, he was able to build a governing majority. The Clintons will not be able to do this.

The harm that George Bush has left this country in requires a true leader. One who has a clear and compelling vision for the country? One who can call people to greatness, not facilitate pettiness. One who can inspire people to reach for distances, George Bush has frighten them in to believing cannot be achieve. One who lifts up America and is so doing, provide the clear pathway to lift up a world. Criticize Obama for seeing that trait in Reagan if you will, but the truth is, that in many ways, Reagan did that. He believed that our cause was better than the Soviet Union, not because he thought we were smarter, favored by God, or even deserving, but because we pursued a more compelling vision than that of the Soviets???life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness???all people are created equal???this equality was given to them not by man but by God. Because Reagan had a more compelling vision, he inspired a nation to do things that we were reluctant to do in the face of the cold war, but in so doing he help free a nation and a world from the icy grips of the cold war. Give people hope, help them to believe in themselves, and they will find the answer they need to reach those distances set before them. That is what Obama promises in every aspect of his candicy. His narrative is about what the American People can do, not about what he can do. The Clintons, do not get this, the only narrative they understand is fighting, winning by any means necessary, governing from triangulation and fear. Do we really want 8 more years of this insanity???can this nation survive 8 more years of it?

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 6:44:40 PM

Comment: Comment: WAY TO GO BILL!!!-Even though the last Dem I have voted for is Jimmy Carter(show how foolish we are when we are young) I applaud Mr. Clinton. He can't say the real truth so I will. Politics aside BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Give me a break, who's his running mate? Osama??? If he truly rejected Mohammed and accepte JESUS then why no change of name? LEW ALCINOR-KAREEM ABDUL JABAR. CASSIUS CLT-MUHAMMED ALI, CAT STEVENS-YOUSEF YABBADABBADO. It is customary to carry a MUSLIM name to authenticate the faith. AMERICA are you really so blind??? Are we reduced to a MORMON or a MOHAMMED as our choices? GO RUDY and GO HILLARY.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:44:47

Comment: I applaud the fact that you notice and appreciate Hillary's right-wing light foreign policy. After all, it WAS a popular war at the time! And who doesn't like to be popular? As for your name games, I have to admit that Barak Hussein Obama is the sweetest name I've seen in a long time. Maybe I'll vote for him. He's not a Mohommed, though. I think he's a John, or a Jeff, but probably a Jesus. No, wait a sec: he's actually "a Barak." ...Also, if he wants to destroy America you'd better betware of his colleagues in the Senate! The Obama-Lugar (R) and Obama-Coburn (R) legistlation were terrible! The first takes away mean people's nukes, and second makes govenerment be more open about lobbying money. It all sounds so evil. I'm with you: give the nuclear technology back to the poor insurgents! ---There's a reason you're in that padded room.

Posted By: ayoss58 @ 01/22/2008 14:31:11

Comment: Can any sane person believe a man will destroy children,wife,himself and his country because of the accident of not choosing his father name correctly?.

How evil to claim a two year old who was left by a father he never known to be a closet sympathiser of terrorists?.

Jesus was born a Jew who ever held that against him. Barack was born and raised a christain and he is a very proud christain and faithful christain period. Smear as much as you are capable of but on the issue of his religion, he was born a christain, raised as a christain and will always remain a christain. Seeking the presidency will not change his christainity or love for Christ and America!!.

Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 14:36:50

Comment: err, I was under the impression that Obama was born and raised muslim and switched to christianity, do I have my facts wrong?

Posted By: jcfinsf @ 01/21/2008 6:26:06 PM

Comment: HRC can NOT win in November. Period. What is more important than that fact? Nothing.

Take a look at all of the polling out there. Ask yourself how she's supposed to turn around the half of the country that has been hating her for some 15 years? It's crazy she has gotten this far. It seems the Dems have found yet another way to lose a general election: let the machine and an ego-driven, ex-President persuade us that we need a Clinton dynasty to match the Bush one.

Get ready for the McCain administration, folks. 1,000 years in Iraq just around the corner!

And Cindy McCain versus Chelsea Clinton in 2016. Yippee!

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 14:51:03

Comment: I agree! Daily, the numbers of dems. who will never vote for a Clinton again is growing, and the independents are flocking to McCain. (I don;t think we need to look HRC's support in the GOP). As Rove tols us, and as the party leaders well know, there is NO WIN without the independents, esp. if you can;t turn all your own people out. This really is about US, not about the Clintons, and that's why any body in the Dem party that is in a postition to speak up should do it LOUDLY, and IMMEDIATELY, before Super Tuesday is a done deal. Where are the polls tracking HRC's absolute negatives? As a lifelong dem., I never thought I'd find myself in this position, but I pledge never to vote for a Clinton again....

Posted By: josim @ 01/21/2008 6:00:41 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is diminishing his own legacy. I would much rather remember him with the affection I once felt than my new feelings about him while watching him turn mean spririted doing and saying anything in order to get Hillary nominated. Come on Bill, you are better than that! Or, maybe not.

Posted By: Maxwell P. Klinger 1 @ 01/21/2008 5:50:57 PM

Comment: Obama, Osama. and Omama.

Obama is neither black or white so leave that part out of the race!! He has spent only a couple of years in the American Senate, and that sure does not make him someone who knows the country or how to run it much less know anything about the people he is running against. He gets his untruths from someone else who could not win and is trying now to push Obama through. This is still the land of the free and I would like in my short time to keep it the land of the free. I will support a truthful person and I think John McCain is most knowledgeable and is deserving has been there done that and is an asset to this country, and I think Hillary Clinton has been so scrutinized by anyone of you who hate her so much that she is probably squeeky clean

and well informed on the job of being President she would also be a good choice she is well versed on everything you can throw at her. She also has a great past President to back her.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 18:41:16

Comment: You are right. He is a Mohammed.

Posted By: my2girls @ 01/21/2008 5:48:37 PM

Comment: Holy roller, the whole extremist muslim lie has been totally debunked. If your screen name is to suggest that you are a christian than you I am sure you are an advocate for the truth. So go check this out and then spread the truth. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp Come on people we are Americans and we should want all voters to be informed with the truth not lies in order to decide who to vote for. Let's get over the politics of hate and lies. We should want better for ourselves and our children.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 18:40:43

Comment: Answer me this-Your vote is based on the YouTube # of viewings, right. Any true American that would elect anyone with a mohammed heritage is at best foolish. Debunk all yoy want, I'm just getting started.

Posted By: mittons45@yahoo.com @ 01/21/2008 5:39:36 PM

Comment: Why should he? Where were all these protective Dems when they were bashing the hell out of Dean? The whole Democratic Party has gotten as bad, hypocritcal, crooked, and greedy as the Republicans. A pox on both of their houses.

Posted By: BrianARice @ 01/21/2008 5:18:57 PM

Comment: I didn't mind Bill Clinton campaigning for his wife. But, when he fibs and slants comments in an obvious way it reminds me too much of the idiotic Monica Lewinsky situation... He lies when he needs to.

Posted By: Kirko @ 01/21/2008 5:08:50 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is not wrong by saying Obama has not always been against the war. In July 2004, Obama said that he did not know how he would have voted on authorization of the war. He also said in July 2004 that there was not much difference between his position on Iraq and George Bush's. Those two statements were addressed on Meet the Press on Nov. 11, 2007. Based on those statements, Clinton is not wrong saying that Obama has not always been against the war. Obama could not have always been against the war if he was undecided on the authorization vote, as he said he was, in July 2004. And how could he be against the war if his position was the same as George Bush.'s Obama's positions are inconsistent.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 15:00:23

Comment: Would any one please point out The Clintons' position on the war: HRC voted for it WITHOUT READING THE 94-PAGE NIE (knowing no one on her staff had access to this classified document). Obama came out against the war, and stated - correctly - that he did not have access to the supporting materials. Where is Senator Graham - Please, speak up - you fought so hard to give these senators access before voting (94 pages should not have taken this 'certified genius" (Bill's words) too long. I BET she did read the polls, and a pro-war vote was more popular that day....

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:58:02

Comment: But who cares about truth!!! We'll f-ing ingnore the reality, which is (paraphrase) "I'm not saying Kerry's psycho for voting like he did. I wasn't hanging in the senate with his classified info," but (quote) ""What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made." Yeah, that's a guy who's just making up random stuff as he goes, or (which is more likely) you're a liar or have been duped by liars. Obama takes one for the Democratic team, and the Republicans--er, I mean the Clintons--blast him for it.

Posted By: vster@cliffhanger.com @ 01/21/2008 18:31:52

Comment: That is completely inaccurate. He has already addressed comments made related to Kerry/Edwards. And anything said or done once the war starts has no bearing on someone's initial position. Leaders must deal with the present circumstances. Once the war starts you can no longer be for or against it...it is too late. For instance, supporting the troops today does not alter the fact someone was against the war originally.

Posted By: vster@cliffhanger.com @ 01/21/2008 18:27:17

Comment: That is completely inaccurate. He has already addressed making comments to protect Kerry/Edwards. And anything said after the war starts has no bearing on someone's position before the war. Once the war starts, you can no longer be for the war or against the war, leaders must live in the present. For instance, supporting the troops now does not diminish the fact someone was adamantly against the war before it started.

Posted By: lovely @ 01/21/2008 5:02:45 PM

Comment: bill is wrong thats just to show thw amweican people the he will have big say in the whit house, my vote goes to obama, i dont care what his middle name is i will vote for barack hussien obama.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 18:43:12

Comment: And if he wins what color of burka are you going to wear?

Posted By: Kirko @ 01/21/2008 4:54:47 PM

Comment: Bill Cinton is not distorting Obama's stand on the war. Obama did indeed say in a July 2004 interview that he did not know how he would have voted on authorization of the war. He went on to say in July 2004 that there was not much difference in his postion and George Bush's position on the war. Those statements were addressed by Tim Russert on Meet the Press on No. 11, 2007. Based on those statements, Obama has not always been against the war. Bill Clinton is not wrong when he points this out.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 17:15:14

Comment: Very good post. As Americans we need to stop making our decisions on political info from YouTube. Obama is not honest about any of his views. He is an underground muslim. At the very leasr we know what we get with Hillary. Not to mention she will have no problem bombing Abdullah back to the Stone Age if they pull teir sh.t again. But as long as I'm able I say GO RUDY!!!

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 4:44:21 PM

Comment: AMERICA HAVE WE REDUCED OURSELVES TO THIS TICKET/

OBAMA/BIN LADEN vs ROMNEY/TOM CRUISE (two cults better than one)

open your eyes before its gone too far!!!

Posted By: James D. @ 01/21/2008 4:39:51 PM

Comment: Well....what seems to be missed by Bill and their campaign is...they are losing LONG time supporters for the general election should she get the nomination. *I* am one vote they will **now** NOT get. I am completely disgusted with their campaign tactics.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 16:49:02

Comment: They may lose you , but they are gaining ground with many liberal Repub. I will not vote for any candidate with a MOHAMMED name or background. They want you dead moron. I will not vote for a MORMON. I'm hoping for RUDY to take control, but my backup vote is HILLARY.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 16:46:17

Comment: Agree - if they loose the support of life-long democrats in the end, was it worth it?! I pledge NEVER to vote for a Clinton again...

Posted By: edlindsey @ 01/21/2008 4:21:51 PM

Comment: I can't believe the ignorance of people! Go Obama. I have always admired Bill Clinton even at his darkest hour during impeachment but I have never been more disappointed with him then I am now. He is unpresidential in his behavior and he is demeaning his position by playing attack dog for his wife. If Hillary is a true feminist then why does she need her husband to attack her opponents?

Posted By: nannyred7 @ 01/21/2008 17:33:06

Comment: I don't know, why does she? But then, as I remember, Michelle Obama lashed out for her husband. Is that different? Maybe. Real men don't hide behind women's skirts (or comments either). So if we can't have a real man, let's have a real woman. Bet your definition of 'real woman' is different than mine.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 4:14:58 PM

Comment: WAY TO GO BILL!!!-Even though the last Dem I have voted for is Jimmy Carter(show how foolish we are when we are young) I applaud Mr. Clinton. He can't say the real truth so I will. Politics aside BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Give me a break, who's his running mate? Osama??? If he truly rejected Mohammed and accepte JESUS then why no change of name? LEW ALCINOR-KAREEM ABDUL JABAR. CASSIUS CLT-MUHAMMED ALI, CAT STEVENS-YOUSEF YABBADABBADO. It is customary to carry a MUSLIM name to authenticate the faith. AMERICA are you really so blind??? Are we reduced to a MORMON or a MOHAMMED as our choices? GO RUDY and GO HILLARY.

Posted By: Change is a verb not a platform @ 01/21/2008 4:06:41 PM

Comment: All we hear about is the "black " vote and the "woman" vote.....Republicans want Obama to win because they know in the end they would get the "whiteman" vote. Be careful what you wish for here.....or we will end up with a Republican in office. Obama is playing the wrong cards and playing into the hands of others. He is predicable and easy to manipulate.....just watch as it goes on......who is getting more coverage?who's on their heels?

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 16:30:56

Comment: Look at the independents - they do swing towards Obama or McCain, never HRC. HRC's ceiling in her own party is substanial (and lowers every day she goes on), and has NO cross-over appeal. There is a large absence of ANTI-obama sentiment in the GOP, and the Rovians are itching to run the same-old, same old battles agains Billary. Omama only can beat McCain, who is scaring off a large group in his own party, either for not being conservative enough, or with his strong war support. Remember "Bom, Bom, Bom, Iran"?! No talisman will help us then!

Posted By: nerakami @ 01/21/2008 3:58:01 PM

Comment: Well, there you have it.... send your husband out to beat up on your opponents... is this how it's going to be when Hillary perceives terror threats, or if the Congress becomes too argumentative? Send Bill out to engage in battle? Remind me again, who are we voting for? Hillary or Bill?

And for those who think this is acceptable because it's politics... think again, the ones who engage in these under-handed dirty politics are the very ones who will face the nation and tell bold-face lies... IT'S CALLED LACK OF CHARACTER.... give me an honest President with integrity.

Posted By: josim @ 01/21/2008 18:10:48

Comment: Amen!

Posted By: quill @ 01/21/2008 3:46:39 PM

Comment: What I don't like about this article and those like it is that all the criticism is falling on Bill rather than Hillary. I think that's exactly the way they've planned it--he can say anything he likes about Obama without the blame coming back to her.

But wow, to think that Ted Kennedy might be throwing in with Obama. I hope he does. And equally as much, I hope he doesn't wait until February 5 to do so. Obama needs a win now, in SC, to convince voters that we actually do have a better choice in this election than the Clintons and their dynasty.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 15:51:23

Comment: I hope Kennedy speaks up, and Gore, and Feingold, and Carter - and even the ones that endorsed the Clintons (plural), but care more about the party than this power-hungy couple!

Posted By: Calicojeb @ 01/21/2008 3:45:32 PM

Comment: If Obama is fortunate enough to win the nomination of the Democratic party, who will he be calling up to ask for mercy, or to complain to when the Republicans start their assault, George Bush?

Rest assured, he ain't seen nothing at this stage, this is playing footsie.

Get real Obama, real politics is a contact sport, aka hardball.

You are not running unopposed here like you practically did in IL

Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

HILLARY 08

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 15:10:51

Comment: Another Clinton supporter, claiming that this is just "dirty politics as ususal"... This is exactly why we are so divided now, and it's getting worse. Indeed, their campaign is, and that;s exactly why the only party she can unite is the GOP. It is NOT about them! We deserve better! The party elders can see how damaging this is - leave it to the dems to blow it, at a time when the tide is for the dems! SPEAK UP, if you want to call yourself party "leaders"!

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:59:54

Comment: Actually it's neither footsie nor baseball nor hardball. It's making up clever nonesense and pouring mental sewage onto the public airwaves. The smell creates a certain nauseating effect. Certain over-the-counter products may be effective.

Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/21/2008 22:44:29

Comment: I am shocked by the sensitivity of all the DEMs. You would not be having this problem if you were not trying so hard to be European. This is the United States, and we are discussing a race involving a man of Islamic heritage. IDIOTS!!! What is wrong with the mindset of your party.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 23:13:03

Comment: Kind of hard not to sould like a European when we start talking about democracry and republics (European words, European ideas) in English, the language of England (a European country). What did you expect? What's ridiculous is when your ilk acts like you're not, which is just to say 'I'm to stupid to realize what I am'. (E.g., your white supremacy's European, too!----Damn you, Europe!!!!)

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 23:06:24

Comment: Hey, HR, you're late for your clan meeting. (Pssst: this isn't the 20s anymore. The white supremacy stuff isn't so attractive anymore!)

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 15:49:55

Comment: Hillary should show she can stand on her own feet, and tell her husband to take his meds. if she can't do it alone, she should not be running for president!

Posted By: Alex216 @ 01/21/2008 17:10:30

Comment: Hmmmmm. She did say,when she started her run, that she is "capable" and "will not have him with [her] during her campaign." This is a quote the media doesn't care to resurface.

Posted By: jahoby @ 01/21/2008 3:43:37 PM

Comment: aaa

Posted By: haili @ 01/21/2008 3:42:49 PM

Comment: remember in Dartmouth Clinton 1 claimed he was not to blame for the bush dynasty? well, in 2000 Gore narrowly lost, because he was not able to use prez Clinton to campaign for him, and because of WHAT? any decent leader of a major country would have long resigned under similar situations just so the business of the public would not be distracted. If the politician involved is guilty or not is a none issue. it's the service, stupid!

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 15:53:22

Comment: Indeed - just remember what % of the Clintons first 2 terms was spent on their antics, distracting us from the business of the country, like the growing al Queda threath! Dems, speak up and show them that we deserve better!

Posted By: su haili @ 01/21/2008 3:40:21 PM

Posted By: Danielle - New Mexico @ 01/21/2008 3:40:01 PM

Comment: I have been a Bill Clinton supporter since 1992. But he's totally off doing what he's doing. No way should he be attacking a black man running for president. It's totally against everything he stood for when he was in the White House. Fairly criticizing Obama's record is the way to do this - not personal attacks. Bill's personal attack has definitely driven me to Obama.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 16:44:11

Comment: I honestly believe Bill would attack Mother Theresa if he felt she stood in his way to another change at power! They will stop at nothing - power over all! Bill does not care about damaging the party; it is all about them, always has, and they show their cards. Why does the electorate let them????

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/22/2008 03:13:20

Comment: (Cue sinister music.) Mother Theresa incited class warfare by always appearing with the poor. Mother Theresa did not support American military intervention in third world countries. And Mother Theresa failed to advocate strengthening American companies. Mother Theresa: wrong for society, wrong on defense, and wrong on job creation. Bill, er...Hillary Clinton for president.

Posted By: danny26ini @ 01/21/2008 3:31:34 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has no credibility. He is a lying, two faced, perjurer, perjury subordinating obstructor of justice. He abused his official power, he condoned corruption within his staff, not to mention his personal life. He has no virtue or integrity. Now we are supposed to accept the idea of another Clinton in the White House who learned everything she know from her husband. She is as corrupt as he is, she took lessons from him. Don't forget the Rose Law Firm, Castle Grande, Whitewater, her windfall cattle purchase, staffing the White House with incompetents, obstructing justice after Vincent Foster's suicide, her lack of memory when questioned by Congress regarding all of the above. From her Congressional testimony and lack of memory she can only be considered incompetent as an attorney, her stint as first lady was abominable, as a Senator she has accomplished nothing, and now she has the nerve to run for President based on her acquired knowledge of the position? For the sake of the country, lets not make the same mistake again!

Posted By: montanalefty @ 01/21/2008 3:27:18 PM

Comment: For the record, has Bill pledged not to disgrace the Hillary White House? And as she couldn't persuade him to behave when he was president, is there any hope for improvement when he is First-Guy-With-Nothing-To-Do-Most-Of-The-Time?

Posted By: Change is a verb not a platform @ 01/21/2008 3:23:55 PM

Comment: If Obama lets Bill Clinton get under his skin, imagine what tough world leaders will do to him. What a cry baby!!!! Not a man who knows how to deal with adversity. Maybe he should go get some dope, and crack to help him with his personal issues. If you cant stand the heat, get the heck out of the kitchen.....whiner boy Obama!

Posted By: Uncommitted @ 01/21/2008 15:32:43

Comment: You must be completely braindead to write such a stupid post. How short your memory is. Do you recall:

The boys are piling on?

It's so hard" (and she cried)--I'll be Mamoud can't wait.

I can't recall?

You are most certainly braindead.

Posted By: Change is a verb not a platform @ 01/21/2008 15:37:32

Comment: Hey, I am not brain dead....I have brain damage from all the pot and coke I did with Obama.....while we were chasing skirts. I didn't call you names , is that how you Obama people behave?....Obama would be so proud of you, and your type! Keep it up and let your light shine though. The truth will set you free.

Posted By: Uncommitted @ 01/21/2008 17:50:58

Comment: Braindead is not a name at all; it is a condition that many people suffer from who have forgotten what the Clintoons brought us during the 90's. I am not for Obama, but I am against Hillary Rodham. She is a foul-mouthed crying poor excuse for a senator who has no experience whatsoever. Remember, braindead is a condition.

Posted By: mda56 @ 01/21/2008 3:06:51 PM

Comment: Is everyone's memory that short? That's scary! Do you not remember the 8 years of continuous scandals, Slick's impeachment, Monica Lewinsky? We also need to question Hillary's judgement. After all she is the one who did not want to settle with Paula Jones and the continuation of that investigation unearthed Ms. Lewinsky. Do we need 8 more years of this kind of behavior? Bill has already established his legacy.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 15:57:20

Comment: We indeed need to question HRC's judgment - in voting for a war WITHOUT READING the supporting documents - 94 pages should not have take the "certified genius" (Bill's words) that long. She said she cast this difficult vote "with conviction" - based on WHAT? No one of her staffers had clearance to see the doc. titled "Authorisation to use force"... Are we parsing 'is" again?

Posted By: mikeo1234 @ 01/21/2008 2:56:35 PM

Comment: This goes beyond Bill Clinton hurting his own credibility--he's harming the Democratic Party as a whole. Even if his denigrating comments about Senator Obama are inappropriate and shortsighted; his support of the Nevada lawsuit is shameful.

Posted By: mikeo1234 @ 01/21/2008 2:54:03 PM

Posted By: Uncommitted @ 01/21/2008 2:46:39 PM

Comment: The blowhard, Bill Clinton, will not shut up because he believes that HE is running for the WH. Hillary is nothing more than his way of reclaiming what he believes to be rightfully his. Her as president will be the funniest (saddest?) thing possible. I believe she is completely ill equipped to be POTUS and that he will be the one running the show. Things have changed drastically since the 90's and his time was up in 2000. Please spare us the galvanization he/she will bring to this country.

Posted By: Uncommitted @ 01/21/2008 2:45:27 PM

Posted By: ljrboating @ 01/21/2008 2:37:51 PM

Comment: Everytime I hear Bill Clinton campaign for Hillary, it always starts or ends with his presidency, His experiences etc.... Who's running here? Bill or Hillary? If this is the strategy Hillary campaign has

taken than by God, Ieven her own people don't beleive she has what it takes.

Posted By: zstroud @ 01/21/2008 2:25:48 PM

Comment: how come Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Edwards can speak therir mind but Bill cant?

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:27:49

Comment: He obviously can, does, and we hear it all day every day on the media. Why do we complain? It's in the gutter and reeks of refuse.

Posted By: Sam Winters @ 01/21/2008 14:44:02

Comment: Bill surely can speak his mind but that exactly is the point, what he is doing is lying, same way he lied

when he said " I did not have sex with that woman". His problem is he is so used to lying he is become

a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. So if you want a CHEATER and a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR in White House good

luck to you. I surely don't want a Character like Bill Clinton again White House again.

Posted By: cbullcom @ 01/21/2008 14:42:33

Comment: They were not a President, and as far as I know there character has never been proven to be in question, as we all know President bill Clinton has. If Barack Obamahad an affair as a Senator, who would even listen to him, but Bill Clinton had an affair in the oval office the highest office in the land and people still would rather vote on there racist feelings, that's why America will never change.

Posted By: cbullcom @ 01/21/2008 14:42:32

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/21/2008 14:38:18

Comment: It's not about speaking his mind, it's about lashing out and lying. He can do whatever he wants, but he's not doing his wife or his legacy as a popular former president any favors.

Posted By: intelgrl56 @ 01/21/2008 2:22:15 PM

Comment: If Bill Clinton is a loose cannon right now, just think what he will be in the White House as a First Man. He won't be able to help himself since he loves the spot-light and will jeopardize Hillary's work as President. Whether by injecting himself in cabinet meetings or having sexual adventures in their private apartments while Hillary is away on official duty, any way you look at it, this is a bad mix for America and Democrats had better start waking up to that fact NOW!!

Posted By: L66ONLINE@MSN.COM @ 01/21/2008 2:20:19 PM

Comment: Does it matter when Lefty's dicuss veracity?

In the world of Socialist, feel good is first, truth and integrity a distant third.

Posted By: L66ONLINE@MSN.COM @ 01/21/2008 2:17:06 PM

Comment: DISCUSSING VERACITY AMONG LEFTY'S IS REALLY OF NO CONCERN. WHEN IT COMES TO SOCIALISM TRUTH AND INEGRITY PLACE A DISTANT THIRD......

Posted By: Girl Esquire @ 01/21/2008 15:38:59

Comment: Gee it never even occured to me that left handed people would have a problem with veracity. Thank goodness for rightys who continue to promote truth, justice and the American way in ALL CAPS.

Posted By: aj181 @ 01/21/2008 2:13:48 PM

Comment: It's funny how no one talks about Bill Clinton being impeached. It's a big secret. If many people knew that, Hillary wouldn't stand a chance.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 14:53:50

Comment: No one does talk about it, since, unlike the Clintons, O or his surrogates are above this... But sometimes I wish someone would, as the past is indeed an indicator of future performance in this case. Bill WS indicted, he was convicted of perjury (as commander is chief - for the same offence, the US air force has fired fighter pilots in which many millions were invested!), he was disbarred and unable to practice law. As Mr. Geffens said: most politicians lie, but it's troubling just how easily the Clintons do it. Can anyone really forget Bill looking straight in the camera and proclaim "not to have had sex with that woman'?!

Posted By: HigherMinds @ 01/21/2008 23:09:54

Comment: I wonder how many people lie when confronted with personal questions about their marital fidelity? I also wonder why it was anyone's business but the Clintons....

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 16:55:03

Comment: Good point, but PERJURY (he could have refused to lie and take a slap on the wrist for contempt of court)! The Commander in Chief did what the Airforce fires fighter pilots for, after the country has invested millions in their training.... And what about the pardons? What about travelgate? these were not mere "marital indiscretions", which are indeed none of our business, in my opinion. But hitting on an employee? Again, Bill could have been with Sharon Stone, for all I care, but this is what would get any top executive fired. Look what happened with the head of the Red Cross... and think abou the % of the Clinton area that was spent on distractions like Lincoln bedroom and desk stories, Foster-gate, plus flat-out "distorting' the truth whenever it suits him, on any subject. Like "I was against this war from the beginning".... Give us a break - no more drama! I'd love my children to grow up under a president they can look up to, without us having to explaing what "is" or 'sex" is, or compartmentalization, triangulation, etc etc etc.....

Posted By: vwells @ 01/21/2008 2:11:37 PM

Comment: I think Barack Hussiem Obama started the fight with comments about race/gender and twisting the facts. Bill and Hillary has done a lot of work and things for all races in the U.S. They have been gracious about the whole mess. Barack will not salute our flag or wear the flag pin. I don't apporeciate the fact that he would say bad things about any U.S. president. I hope and pray Hillary wins the office for President. She is smart, strong and willing to listen to our problems. As did Bill when he was president.

vendail@msn.com

Posted By: aj181 @ 01/21/2008 14:15:40

Comment: Bill was impeached. Did you know that big secret.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 15:00:34

Comment: What planet were you on during the Clinton era? Did you knwo Bill was convicted of perjury and disbarred? Are you aware that we got Ginrich and lost an entire part of the party because Bill's "triangulations"? Are you aware of the manner in which Sen. Clinton conducted her health care taks force? Are you aware of the Clinton paranoia of outsiders, shown claerly right when they came into the WH, as expressed in travelgate? What facts are you basing your opionion on? For example, did you know that Sen. Clinton did not read the 94-pages national intelligance estimate that cast grave doubt on the wisdom of her war vote, while she knew no one on her staff had the clearance to see this? Did you see the false flyers the Clinton campaign distributed in New Hampshire? Are you aware what damage this scorched-earth campaign is causing to the party. Are you aware how many democrats, growing by the day, will be unable to stand behind Clinton(s) because of the shameless way they show us how power-hungry they are?

Posted By: cbullcom @ 01/21/2008 14:36:50

Comment: Another ingnorant perosn who is not objective and believes everything he reads. It's been said George Bush don't like black people, I'm black and I don't believe that. You are probably middle age or old and you live in a mental box.

Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 01/21/2008 2:00:29 PM

Comment: I certainly understand a man wanting to do all he can to help the woman he loves, but it's almost as though he is so anxious to get back to the White House to clean up his own legacy somehow. I love Bill and voted for him twice, but I hate to see him behaving this way. He should try to tone it down and save his ire for the Republicans, no matter who is nominated.

Posted By: aj181 @ 01/21/2008 14:09:48

Comment: It's funny how none of the politicians has brought up the fact that Clinton was impeached. It has been such a big secret. And to think that we should vote for Hillary to give Clinton another chance to be in the white house again is bazzar/crazy as heck.

Posted By: Steve_golf @ 01/21/2008 1:48:25 PM

Comment: There's only one way to shut the Clintons up: Vote Republican!!!

Posted By: florida2008 @ 01/21/2008 1:48:11 PM

Comment: As a long time Democrat, I have always admired Bill Clinton for being a great politician, but lately I am totally disgusted with his performance in the 2008 campaign. He is acting like a lowlife street fighter rather than an ex-president. It is frightening that he could once again be in the White House and be uncontrollable. If Hillary's managers think he is helping her they are so wrong. He is a total turn-off. He is also going to divide the Democratic party and make it possible for the Republicans to take the White House again.....what a frightening thought!! Please, Mr. President, simmer down and let your wife do her own thing.

Posted By: mda56 @ 01/21/2008 15:20:08

Comment: A more frightening thought would be a Clinton in the White House! I believe that the democrats would give anything to be rid of the Clintons. Politics is a nasty business, but I believe the Clintons lowered the bar dramatically.

Posted By: jeconnais @ 01/21/2008 1:47:55 PM

Comment: As a whit male republican supporting Barak obama with my vote and money , I am not suprised by the teflon coating of Bill Clinton . I would point out that my sister worked in the World Trade Center when the terrorists first tried to blow it up. It was during the Clinton years when our intelligence agencies wee being hampered. Most of the planning for the real 911 happened during his watch . The country was so wrapped up in the whole impeachment fiasco they failed to pay attention to our ineptitude in foreign policy. Our 911 report was not kind to Bill Clinton. He is going to divide the democratic party as a serogate for Hilliary. She can stand on her own feet and he can do what the other spouses are doing outside the limelight of the press. GMA this morning showed clips of his skewering the facts. Obama is correct. The senators cant tell him what to do , but they are seeing the election slipping awayto the republicans as Bill continues his tirades and aAHilliary will not or can not control him. Maybe I should not have ventured out of my comfort zone in the hopes that someone from across the aisle might want to talk and compromise on the many serious issues we face as a country. Now you are seeing what we have seen in the Clintons. I am sorry , but you cant go back the times are a changing as the song goes.

Posted By: Steve_golf @ 01/21/2008 1:47:42 PM

Comment: There's only one way to shut the CLintons up. Vote Republican!

Posted By: VinceInAZ @ 01/21/2008 1:46:51 PM

Comment: How can anyone expect the former leader of the free world to restrain his attacks on his wife's opponents? Senator Clinton was herself a nearly rabid defender of her husband's career, even when she ended up looking like an idiot. Only Sen. Clinton can demand anything from Pres. Clinton, and expect compliance. If her husband's "assistance" begins to seriously jeopardize her campaign, she probably will.

Posted By: aquariusrizing @ 01/21/2008 1:44:34 PM

Comment: How you gonna keep him down on the farm, after he's seen Pari? Either she is running her campaign, or she isn't. Either he's making these comments with her blessings, or he's a loose cannon, either way, it's her responsibility.

Posted By: lynn m @ 01/21/2008 1:40:38 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is very eagar to get back into power and he is loosing control and will do anything at this point i am glad some of the other democrats are stepping in and telling him to calm down

Posted By: jeconnais @ 01/21/2008 1:32:20 PM

Comment: I am a whit male republican from a very whit state who is supporting Barak Obama with my vote and monetarily. It may be a conundrum , but people in both parties are fed up with inaction on major issues and lies to the American people. One of the sspects of the terror argument that is seldom if ever stated is how much happened on Bill Clintons watch. He shakled the intelligence agencies and my sister could have been killed in the first World Trade center bombing , but for pure luck on our part. That happened under the Clinton administration. Most of the planning for 911 happened then too. The news does not want to talk about this fact. The 911 comission did. Barak can bring the country together. Barak is an honest man , family man , and a visionary. He may be young , but so was JFK. I am so happy to see some of the senators see what we are seeing how Bill Clinton is going to split the party. He is doing more for the Republicans than you can imagine. If Barak Obama is not the nominee I will be going to McCain or any toher candidate who has some morals.

Posted By: newmuis @ 01/21/2008 1:28:09 PM

Comment: She found her own voice, which wryly advised that a lady should be be seen, not heard while her husband dominants.

Posted By: hillaryfan @ 01/21/2008 1:28:03 PM

Comment: Sen Clinton is right to support his wife's campaign, and his comments have been pretty mild given current campaign standards. Where were Sen. Kennedy and Rep. Emmanuel when Sen. Obama and Sen Edwards were "double teaming" Sen. Clinton over the past several months? Does Obama have a glass jaw? If he can't take the heat he should stop whining and asking for mercy and get out of the kitchen. Hillary has proven that she can take it and will make a great president!

Posted By: maskddingo @ 01/21/2008 13:48:04

Comment: Crying in public hardly qualifies as "being able to take it"

Posted By: NJ_Dave @ 01/21/2008 1:24:44 PM

Comment: It's funny to see the "True Believer" democrats complain about machine politics beating ideology and positive campaigning after all the people the Clinton machine has crushed. Andrew Cuomo, Nita Lowey, Carl McCall, not to mention the travel office people and others they tarred and feathered when Bill was President. ("The nut" Monical Lewinsky or "The trailer park person" Paula Jones, anyone?) Now Obama is getting crushed for being in the way, and Democrats actually act shocked? Come on! As Pink Floyd said, welcome to machine, and it isn't like the Dems haven't seen this before nationally and in NY State.

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/21/2008 13:33:52

Comment: The "True Believer" Democrats aren't surprised--they're doing what they've always done: excusing the Clintons of any wrongdoing. The Clintons destroyed the Democratic Party. Obama has a chance to restore it. Go Obama!

Posted By: hillaryfan @ 01/21/2008 1:23:24 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is an asset to his wife's campaign, and Sen. Kennedy and Rep. Emmanuel have no right to tell him not to speak out. Where were they when Sens. Obama and Edwards were "double teaming" Sen. Clinton for months in the debates and in the press? Does Obama have a glass jaw? Sooner or later he's going to have to stop whining and asking for mercy. He certainly won't get any from the Republicans!

Posted By: Kellyville @ 01/21/2008 15:26:23

Comment: Who's whining? Who's 'tearing up'? Who's threatening to sue? Who indeed!

Posted By: maskddingo @ 01/21/2008 13:41:39

Comment: I have not Heard Mr. Obama "whine" once. He has handled the unscrupulous attacks and besmirching of his character with great aplomb, and with the dignity befitting of a TRUE LEADER. It is precisely his very ability to simply NOT whine and lash out in kind that has convinced me, and many others, he is THE man to lead our country back to greatness. Hillary, the Clinton's in general, have shown a great ability to be divisive and simply not care... This is just more of the same old crap. I want change I want it now I want a true LEADER.. not this inane, 'high school-ish', bickering started, and perpetuated by the Clintons. Just look around the forum for a second to see that life long democrats are being so turned off by the clintons BS that they are pledging to NEVER vote for Hillary. Her nomination virtual assures the republicans a really good chance at the white house again, when they shouldn't have a shot in hell after the guy who is in there now..

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 13:41:12

Comment: An asset to the campaign, maybe, but to a campaign that is willing to damage everything is sight for a win, which might be a hollow one in November, is they turn of enough of us... This is damaging the party, and that is why party elders (GORE? Kennedy) should step in, but the Clintons make it clear that that was never the conceren in the first place. These power-hungry people sacre me! What tantrum will we see this week from Bill? It will probably be somehwere mid-week, with a 'female" address by HRC on Friday. Can we not show them we deserve better???

Posted By: tabrown1952 @ 01/21/2008 1:19:02 PM

Comment: I would like American to remember that this his the same man when his back was on the wall when he was cheating with that young lady - look in the American people face and lie he now looking in the American face again and lie on Mr Obama!

Posted By: gabesmall @ 01/21/2008 1:16:23 PM

Comment: "'This is excruciating,' says a member of the Clintons' circle, who asked for anonymity. 'But the stakes couldn't be higher. It's worth it to tarnish himself a bit now to win the presidency.'"

I'm so bloody sick of this scorched-earth brand of politician. The Clintons have had their day. It's time to usher in a new era. OBAMA FOR PREZ!

Posted By: halabura @ 01/21/2008 1:13:07 PM

Comment: There is nothing new in this latest imbroglio caused by Bill Clinton's undignified rantings against Obama. Let's face it...this guy has for years been an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. We all know about the string of bimbo eruptions, but does anyone out there recall that the then president and leader of our Party turned on his own Democratic Congress and actually offered to personally campaign for Republican members of Congress who would vote for the Clinton-engineered NAFTA Agreement? Does anyone further recall that this same trade agreement destroyed hundreds of thousands of jobs in America's manufacturing industries...jobs once held by loyal Democrats, including tens of thousands of African-Americans.

Ps. Hillary, as First Lady, fully supported her husband's sell-out of those very men and women who put them in the White House. We shall not make the same mistake again.

Matt Thomas

Posted By: Girl Esquire @ 01/21/2008 1:10:30 PM

Comment: I used to adore Bill Clinton. Now because of his inappropriate attacks on Barak Obama and their obvious feelings of entitlement to power I find myself repulsed by both he and Hillary. If she wins the nomination then this democrat will be voting republican for the first time since 1980.

Texas Democrat

Posted By: BThompson404 @ 01/21/2008 14:40:33

Comment: Don't know if the first took. Basically this is where all of my family and friends are. My parents have given to every democratic cause, even jeffords campaign when he went independent. I worked on Clinton's in 96 and voted for the first time for him in 92. After witnessing how the Clintons have no regard for the party but just to themselves, if Hillary wins, its a message to me that the party has left me and I'll become officially independent. I am amongst a number of working professionals, that grew up in life long democratic families that will no longer be a part of the party if she wins. Point blank, they are destroying the party. Start the Bloomberg/Obama campaign!

Posted By: BThompson404 @ 01/21/2008 13:36:39

Comment: Likewise I campaigned for Clinton in College in 1996, In 1992 I cast my first vote for him. Stood by the Clintons during whitewater, Travelgate, Monica, Vince Foster, Ron Brown and etc. But now, I realize that they are just two people set on manipulating emotions, fear and power to promote themselves. Not only am I not voting for Hillary if she were to win the primary, but it will let me know for certain that I am in the wrong party. The ideal would be a Bloomberg/Obama ticket, if not I'll be going with McCain.

Posted By: LeeFromVA @ 01/21/2008 13:44:55

Comment: My thougts exactly. The common, old school philosophy is that the Clintons can smooth things over once she wins the nomination, well it won't work this time. You can't destroy our dream and still get our vote. I will NEVER vote for her. Both Bloomberg or McCain would come ahead of her. And you're right, if that's the direction the Dems want to go, I will switch parties.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 13:21:05

Comment: Ditto. As a life-long democrate, I will stay home if HRC is on the ballot. This power-hungry couple scares me and their scorched-earth campaign only harms the party. I never thought I would find myself in this position, esp. at this important time, and with the Supreme Court at stake during the next administration.

Posted By: LeeFromVA @ 01/21/2008 13:39:04

Comment: I also agree. I would stay home or vote for Mike Bloomberg. Does Bill think we're ignorant? We can look at Obama's transcript and see exactly what he said. Bill Clinton is simply lying. Common, old school wisdom says it won't matter after HRC wins the nomination they can smooth things over. I don't think it will work this time. You can't kill our dreams and get our vote. It won't happen.

Posted By: joe4obama @ 01/21/2008 1:05:33 PM

Comment: "History will judge the impact on the Clinton legacy, not daily or weekly political reporters," says Matt McKenna, Bill Clinton's press secretary.

So "Bill Clinton Making More History" is more important than honesty and integrity in American politics? This is exactly what is driving our country to ruin! This is why we NEED Obama now!

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 13:36:22

Comment: If "Bush SR"'s unfinished business impacted his son's presidence, I shudder thinking how Bill's unfinished business will impact a 3rd Clinton term. I'd love to get the full background on all the thinking on this when this was put into the constitution. Are we going to allow them to circumvent it? (were there any pardons Bill did overlook? Ever wondered why so many people who actually WORKED with HRC are in Obama's camp. Vengeance is hers!

Posted By: gneubeck @ 01/21/2008 1:05:24 PM

Comment: Interesting that Hillary is fond of claiming to have been a key player in the formulation of Clinton Foreign Policy: 9/11 was a direct result of the Clinton Administration???s feckless responses to the numerous Al-Qaida provocations and terrorist assaults against our national interests; as well as, Clinton???s inexplicable temerity in refusing to take Osama bin Laden into captivity when offered several times by the Sudanese. Clinton then exercised little more than his jawbone as bin Laden trained literally thousands of terrorists in his Afghan camps. All of which, convinced bin Laden that he could strike our homeland with relative impunity. The potential for success in bin Laden???s planned assault on our homeland was significantly enhanced by the infamous Gorelick memo which the Clinton Administration promulgated to prohibit any terrorist information exchange between our FBI and CIA intelligence operatives. However, history will record the most heinous assault on America's national security interests by a U.S. president as Clinton's transfer of our most advanced missile guidance technology to the CHICOM for a few campaign shekels. Does any rational person really want to return the Clinton cabal/scandals to the White House?

Greg Neubeck

Posted By: Majorteddy @ 01/21/2008 1:04:56 PM

Comment: I agree with Nicholas Kristoff who was quoted previously here. I have been writing to editors trying to get some of them to question Hillary's claim of thirty five years of working for change. She was a high priced lawyer for the Rose Law Firm until 1993, charging hundreds of dollars per hour for her services, and overbilling hours at that . Since when is that working for change?

Posted By: Don from DC @ 01/21/2008 1:03:39 PM

Comment: If Bill was not a former President I don't think this would be a problem, and it's his record that Hillary is running off of as a team...otherwise explain your 35 years of service. " THE FUTURE IS OBAMA"

Posted By: maskddingo @ 01/21/2008 13:28:19

Comment: If Bill was not a former President Hillary wouldn't even be in the running right now...

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/21/2008 1:02:50 PM

Comment: So long as we never elect any more thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrats, our county will survive. VOTE FREEDOM FIRST. WALLETS SECOND.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 12:59:27 PM

Comment: It seems that for the remaining States' dem. voters "electability" is still a large argument that is used for HRC's support. It seems clear that their divisive politics are really damaging the party's unity, and are driving independents away is droves to McCain. We NEED a poll, before Super Tuesday, showing Sen. Clinton's ceiling within her won party (dropping every day Hillbill drag us down with false claims, racial divisions and "surrogate mistakes"), her total lack of cross-over support from the GOP and limited appeal to independents. Given these numbers, she SIMPLY CANNOT WIN! Where is the press, reporting this?! (Plus, even is she would be able to eke out a 50.1% vicotry, her name on the ballot will be "fatal" (Mccaskill) for the down- ticket (she can united, indeed, but only the GOP!) and the dem congress and senate will hurt. From day one, the opposition to her will be "fired up and ready to go" - divided we fall... Rove smiles!

Posted By: over50 @ 01/21/2008 12:57:02 PM

Comment: I think that Bill needs ti shut up. I agree that we have had enough of the Clinton's in the White House. Too bad we didn't realize that before we put a 2nd Bush in the office and for 2 terms at that. What is wrong with people? Although I still have some reservations about Obama's church and their teachings I would like to hear more about it from him.

Posted By: cbullcom @ 01/21/2008 15:24:32

Comment: I'm quite sure every Preacher is controveral, don't get caught with blinder's on.

Posted By: cbullcom @ 01/21/2008 15:24:30

Comment: I'm quite sure every Preacher is controveral, don't get caught with blinder's on.

Posted By: cbullcom @ 01/21/2008 15:24:28

Comment: I'm quite sure every Preacher is controveral, don't get caught with blinder's on.

Posted By: esorenson @ 01/21/2008 12:55:33 PM

Comment: Talk about ???free rides from the press.??? Instead of relentless double coverage how about a moratorium or equal coverage time for every last spin of the other candidates??? spouses.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 13:16:50

Comment: The biggest free ride HRC is getting from the press is her vote for the war, "difficult but cast with conviction' as she states, but WITHOUT READING THE 94-page NIE, while knowing no one on her staff had the clearance to do so. And then parsing the statement, lying about it... Experience? yes, what we expereinced with Bill's "definitions", and what we expereiced with Bush, after looking in Putin's eyes, instead of reading the briefings. People who need secrecy and are surrounding themselves only with a tight circle of "trusted ones" (remember the travelgate facts and HRC's paranoia of any outsider, who are always out to get her? The secrecy of her health care panel puts Cheney's energy task force to shame!) are not suited to be leaders - we need people willing and able to listen to what they need to hear, not what they want to hear., Another common trait: unable to admit a mistake, and we see what type of leadership that got us. The HRC "experience" is the best predictor what kind of a leader she would be, and she should be judged on that record. (Any WH expereince that is based on records bill made unavailable to the public should be thrown out - where is the press, demanding access or telling them to stop invoking it. We do know that there were MONTHS these 2 where not even on speaking terms... Experience? Judgment? Electabilty???

Posted By: renarobi @ 01/21/2008 12:52:45 PM

Comment: I don't like what I'm seeing from the clinton's. It's wrong for them to both jump obama like that. Also, I think Hillary is not strong enough to run. She lets her emotions get in the way etc.

Posted By: renarobi @ 01/21/2008 12:46:12 PM

Comment: I truly feel that the clinton's are being fake! Notice how Hillary tries to make her voice sound southern tone in South Carolina etc. She needs to knock it off and be herself. 8 years of clinton's is enough and I feel we need a change. If she gets it, Bill will be running it anyway. NO Way!!!!

Posted By: Majorteddy @ 01/21/2008 12:44:43 PM

Comment: A reminder to some that Bill Clinton was not exactly cleared of all charges. The American Bar Association found that he indeed did commit perjury and stripped him of his right to practiced law, which he is still not permitted to do. They, however, did not strip him of his right to lie, which he is still doing.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 13:04:43

Comment: Is there any estimate out there of the % of the Clinton years that was spent on Travelgate, Monica-gate, Whitewater, Foster-gate, pardons, PERJURY!!! (by the commander in chief!), missing billing records, pardons, Lincoln bedroom and desk stories, defining "is", "sex" etc etc etc.... "victim Bill" is at it again, claining a press-conspiracy this time. If HRC cannot stand on her won feet, she has no business running for president. Of course, A spouse can offer support, even advice (in private) but this is hurting the party, and really questionable: who will run another Clinton WH? Plus, why would we want to find out? No more drama - unite and support Obama!

Posted By: renarobi @ 01/21/2008 12:43:57 PM

Comment: the clinton's are so fake! Why is Hillary changing her voice to a southern tone in South Carolina. Everyone knows its fake. She also hates southern food as she pointed out. We don't need fakeness in the white house again. Time for a change.

Posted By: Majorteddy @ 01/21/2008 12:39:44 PM

Comment: During their years together Bill and Hillary Clinton have lived on the moral,legal and ethical edge, with lapses where they went over the edge. This resulted in frequent uproar and investigation during their White House years and a loss of power for the Democrats. This prevented progress on issues like healthcare and social security. I have no reason another stint in the White House would be any different.

Posted By: Not Hilary @ 01/21/2008 12:39:36 PM

Comment: Bill you just made my mind up. I am voting for Barack, You should shut up. You and the Bush family are one of the same.

Posted By: tran58quil @ 01/21/2008 12:36:37 PM

Comment: Despite the aggressive, highly publicized campaign against the Clintons in the 90's, they were never found guilty of any crimes. Bill had an affair with an over-aged intern - if that is a crime, then most of the men in our society would be in jail. The soap opera was a product of the republicans and not fact based, and obviously successful in causing society to question the morality of the Clintons. Again, they were cleared of all charges, but somehow we prefer the hooplah created by the media than the truth. And hooplah is exactly what Obama's campaign is all about. I find it distressing that we prefer a candidate who is evasive at best, and unproven, than one who has been tried and tested over many years, and has demonstrated her capacity by emerging strong. I'm not willing to take a chance on an unknown idealist. I wouldn't hire an idealist unproven talent to run my corporation and I certainly would not elect him to run my country

All manner of change is not acceptable. Change in and of itself is not necessarily good. I'm voting for the candidate with a proven track record of change in the areas that matter most to our country. If you prefer an idealist who spouts pie in the sky rhetoric, than go ahead and vote for Obama.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 17:04:36

Comment: here's a "proven track record": Sen. Clinton voted to authorize WAR without reading the 94 pages NIE, knowing full well that no one on her staff had clearance to do so. I bet she did read the polls that day!

Posted By: esorensen @ 01/21/2008 12:36:15 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is the one "getting the free ride from the press." Rather than being complicit, some self respecting press ought to put a moratorium on covering his endless spinning, or give completely equal time to every utterance of the other candidate's spouses. The double dipping on press coverage is insult atop the canards of a man already famous for tarnishing the office with lying, and under oath. For starters these include alleged 35 years of experience while arguing against that selfsame tyep of experience in opponents. One can only hope that endorsers bear this all in mind. The only directon for high dugeon is at not from but at.

Posted By: mychoice @ 01/21/2008 12:34:34 PM

Comment: History has judged the history of the Clinton legacy and has found it wanting. A large group of Democrats with character and who care about honesty and integrity have decided to veto any support of the Clintons. Should we be unfortunate enough to have her on the ballot, we will vote REPUBLICAN. Most of the young and black Obama supporters won't vote at all. So the Clinton legacy will be to give us yet another Republican president. Just shut-up and go home the American people are tired of criminals and liars. We want the integrity and authenticity of Barak Obama and wil not be swayed by the Clinton lies.

Posted By: esorenson @ 01/21/2008 12:25:56 PM

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Posted By: Majorteddy @ 01/21/2008 12:25:23 PM

Comment: The Clinton's have lived all their lives together on the legal, moral and ethical edge, sometimes slipping over. In Bill Clinton's 8 years in the White House these lapses caused uproar and investigations that prevented much of anything meaningful being accomplished to solve the real problems of this country. I seriously doubt that 8 more years of Clinton White house would be any different.

Posted By: esorenson @ 01/21/2008 12:22:12 PM

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Posted By: bohdansz @ 01/21/2008 12:21:23 PM

Comment: Given America's problems, we need a new breed of leaders, willing to listen to all sides. We the people are upset for not being able to asks candidates questions on Internet! I have no idea where they really stand on issues!

Posted By: New Canaan Independent @ 01/21/2008 12:20:06 PM

Comment: As a former President of the United States, Bill Clinton once again takes his legacy and the office of the Presidency itself, for those who hold it in the future, into uncharted and questionable ethical territory, Another example of unchecked / uncheck-able self-will run riot. ........

"This is excruciating," says a member of the Clintons' circle, "but the stakes couldn't be higher. It's worth it to tarnish himself and the office of the President of the United States itself to win (defacto) the presidency a third and possibly a forth time."

Bill Clinton is a disingenuous and dangerous skeeve???an unmitigated charlatan..............Enough of this pant load that's barely unable to hide his personal ambition behind his wife's candidacy.

New Canaan Independent

Posted By: Starrphyhre @ 01/21/2008 12:17:40 PM

Comment: Katbunny, you hit the nail on the head. The Clintons are simply trash, and I am coming to the conclusion that all of their supporters are equally trashy. What a low class, distasteful, disgusting, uncouth pair!.

Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 01/21/2008 12:14:14 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has already hurt Hillary during the campaign, of course. But if she should actually become the Dems' candidate anyway, Bill's terrible record as the only impeached President of the 20th century will totally destroy her. That is why she is the Republicans' favorite candidate. It is sad that the Dems seem to have this death wish, and invariable pick candidates that a majority of the American people could not possibly accept.

Posted By: aintwegotfun @ 01/21/2008 14:32:42

Comment: Bill Clinton was not impeached. There was a failed attempt to impeach him. Factually their was an impeachment in the 20th Century. It was Richard Nixon. You are talking offt he top of your head and this shows me you have not put unbiased, deep thought into a decision that certainly warrents such thought. God help this country when such unthinking people can decide the fate of our Nation!

Posted By: CEPHALUS @ 01/21/2008 23:11:37

Comment: bill was impeached for giving false statements under oat,lie

Posted By: reinadelaz @ 01/21/2008 14:59:03

Comment: Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment. God help us, indeed.

Posted By: Sam Winters @ 01/21/2008 11:59:41 AM

Comment: I was a Hillary supporter but after unscrupulous and shameless attacks on Senator Obama by Bill

Clinton, I am definitely not going to Vote for Hillary Clinton. One can only wonder who will be in Charge

in White House? Hillary or Bill?. It will be a sad day for This Great Country if Hillary wins the nomination

and Presidency. It will be same old story of Lying, Cheating, Lobbyist feasting.

having

Posted By: Sam Winters @ 01/21/2008 11:58:33 AM

Comment: I was a Hillary supporter but after unscrupulous and shameless attacks on Senator Obama by Bill

Clinton, I am definitely not going to Vote for Hillary Clinton. One can only wonder who will be in Charge

in White House? Hillary or Bill?. It will be a sad day for This Great Country if Hillary wins the nomination

and Presidency. It will be same old story of Lying, Cheating, Lobbyist feasting.

having

Posted By: kirby109 @ 01/21/2008 11:58:20 AM

Comment: What do you expect when you elected the first "Hillbilly" Pres? Of course the race card would be played...along with the Hussein card and any other card they think will work in their behalf.

Posted By: B-American @ 01/21/2008 11:53:07 AM

Comment: The day people of color are veiwed as intelligent and caring people, that will be the day that a person of color can have an honest chance to lead the Free World in any type of political or major business position.

Posted By: B-American @ 01/21/2008 11:46:57 AM

Comment: When the day come that people of color are seen as intelligent and caring people in America, then that will be the day a qualified person of color will have a fair chance of being a leader of the free world (USA).

Posted By: Splinter @ 01/21/2008 11:38:54 AM

Comment: Bush-Clinton- Bush-Clinton? Our bench is deeper than that. Hillary is a walking white lie. Enough already. Let's move on. Did anyone see Meet the Press yesterday? Clearly demonstrated the Clinton spin machine is up and running.

Posted By: searg @ 01/21/2008 11:30:28 AM

Comment: We have had the Bushs' for 12 years and Clinton for 8 years. 20 years of he same family looks more a Royal Family setting rather than a Democracy.

Posted By: widollar @ 01/21/2008 11:23:09 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton needs to take an extended vacation in Europe for the next year. He will not stop talking about his many accomplishments before saying a few words about Hillary!

Posted By: katbunny @ 01/21/2008 12:01:04

Comment: But if you're really honest about the Clinton era; most of the timespan were legal procedures...

First, it was WhiteWater, then Paula Jones which connected us to Monica.

Bill and Hillary are trashy. For the life of me can not understand why Hillary would even be

running for president.

Posted By: widollar @ 01/21/2008 11:20:46 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton needs to take a long extended vacation somewhere in Europe! He does more harm than good! His giant ego just will not allow him to talk about Hillary without first talking about his many accomplishments.

Posted By: wyl5326 @ 01/21/2008 11:20:17 AM

Comment: Nicholas Kristof from NYTimes have a column on Jan. 20 that drew on the

comparative experiences of Barack and Hill. He also called Hill's claim of 35

years experience as spurious. Barack's legislative experience is definitely

superior to the parochial bills that Hill was only capable of promoting. If you

honestly compare even their length of service in the Senate, everybody should

expect Hill should win in quantity, but that's not the case, Barack's output

would swamped Hill by landslide, much more in terms of quality and impact not

only to the country but to the world. So where/what did Hill spend her Senate

experience ? The answer lies in her penchant to appear in front of cameras to

show off how hard she worked, but producces nothing, perhaps even snuggling up

with more senior colleagues in a drinking spree to bond with them ! Let us ask

her to numerate her Senate output in live TV debate and follow it up in

comparison with Barack's and see how spurious and inferior was her experience !

Posted By: Don from DC @ 01/21/2008 11:17:36 AM

Comment: Regardless... "THE FUTURE IS OBAMA" for the Democratic party

Posted By: Don from DC @ 01/21/2008 11:16:12 AM

Comment: Regardless... "THE FUTURE IS OBAMA" for the democratic party.

Posted By: rightovermight @ 01/21/2008 11:14:04 AM

Comment: I want to say something about heroes. We all now know about McCain's heroism in Vietnam. But how many think of the heroism of Edward's wife who is fighting cancer yet still working with her husband. And what about Ann Romney? She has ms, has raised 5 sons and cares for 11 grandchildren plus is on the campaign trail with her husband. She is my hero.

I think, to change pace, that race is something better left out of the campaigns. After all, Obama's mother is white which makes him both black and white.

As for my preference, I am looking at records rather than listening to words. So far, mitt Romney is my choice.

Thank you for letting me rant.

jojacqo@aol.com

Posted By: engrdr @ 01/21/2008 11:06:06 AM

Comment: do you think caucasians are going to vote for an african american whose father and stepfather were mulslim--give me a break---hypocrites all around

Posted By: katbunny @ 01/21/2008 12:06:31

Comment: I do not believe all white folkes are racists.

Posted By: maskddingo @ 01/21/2008 11:40:02

Comment: They already have... (see Iowa)

Posted By: Wildcatdiva @ 01/21/2008 11:02:44 AM

Comment: The media is setting Obama up to fall. He isn't presenting himself as a deity the press is. He should be able to defend himself against Clinton. He's damned if the does and he's damned if he doesn't. But can anyone tell me why that old bigoted Republican mainstay on MSNBC always has something to say hailing Hillary and putting down Obama? It's seems to me he's campaigning hard for Hillary to win so that the Republicans can tear her down. Who needs a Reality Check?

Posted By: sean2002 @ 01/21/2008 10:57:57 AM

Comment: Bill had the experience of being the most powerful man on earth. He must have enjoyed it. Now he wants to do everything he can to return to the state of that powerfulness. It is human for him to act that way, but that's exactly the reason our system should not let the same group of people in power for too long. Power corrupt people and make people arrogant. It is just like the story of the Lord of tghe Ring. Bill had the ring before and he loved it. Now, he would do everything to repossess that ring. And we the voters should not let that happen.

For the health of our democracy, we should not allow the same group of people in power too long or in power twice.

Posted By: stormymalone @ 01/21/2008 10:57:37 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton may think he's too big to be brought down, but crazy behavior in public, overly aggressive pomposity can destroy an icon almost overnight - just ask Tom Cruise. Bill Clinton is going to crash and burn. He's already toasty around the edge.

Posted By: ClintonsSuck @ 01/21/2008 11:21:22

Comment: As red as the Slickmeister's face gets I think that he will stroke out. We can only hope!

Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 01/21/2008 10:55:54 AM

Comment: The High Cost of the China-WTO Deal: Administration's own analysis ... It wasn't long ago that the Clinton Administration claimed that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) would create both a large number of U.S. ...

www.epinet.org/Issuebriefs/Ib137.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

Can Bill Clinton and the Experience Hillary is claiming , claim this Trade Policy a Success for America as a whole or just for some in certain circles of our society , that have fed off others like vultures preying on helpless Americans of a Trade Policy gone bad ????

Unity in the Government is what I am interested in , so something can get done , I see Hillary only continuing the fighting between Republicans and Democrats , so it will be a reverse of what is going on now , because of the way Hillary is always saying she is the only one that can take on the Republicans . We need someone that is not saying things that are so polarizing , like both Hillary and Bill are always on the offense against the Republicans , and this battle has resulted in nothing getting done now for a very long time . I am a Republican , and I don't see anyone on my party side that's talking Unity either , I am however seeing and hearing the word Unity coming out of Barack Obama , and for me that's what I am wanting to see in our country . The differences on issues between the 2 parties is so extreme that it is time for Unity , to get a little bit of the issues that everyone wants for all . It can't continue to be one extreme to the other , it just is not working , as we can see this over the past 20-25 years . Its time for Unity , its time for Barack Obama . With all the issues both foreign and domestic , Trade agreements that need re-negotiated to include provisions that state to the Importer that if they want tariff free duty into the USA then we need a fee charged to the imported goods and services , that is paid too the SS and Medicare fund , because of the loss of this deduction that is a result of the items not being produced in the USA that our Labor would have paid . This should have been Provisions that Bill Clinton should have made sure we had , when he signed into law the WTO trade policy he did , and if Lobbyists for Big business influenced the Republican and Democrat Government to agree to leaving this out of the agreement , then they all should be relieved from duty , because never before in the history of the USA or the world , have we ever had a more Wealth Generating period of time than the last 20-25 years , more wealth was generated over this period than all the past , so if we were to have been able to of made the SS and Medicare system solvent it should have been now .

Posted By: mhairip @ 01/21/2008 10:55:38 AM

Comment: Hillary allowed Bill to embarrass and humiliate her so many times that a message has been sent to women about the men in their lives that it is acceptable to be verbally and publicly humiliated. Would I advise the daughters of America to accept this - No Sir - get rid of the ..............

Hillary going door to door in Nevada to encourage the Hispanic vote - ask yourselves what white middle class women and hispanic women have in common - nada, sorry there is one connection - they have them cleaning their houses and taking care of their lawns.

Posted By: Wildcatdiva @ 01/21/2008 10:53:24 AM

Comment: Mary Ellen, I hope people are listening....the Clintons are dooming America to four more years of the Republicans. Good work Bill, the Republicans are sitting back laughing their behinds off.

Posted By: Mary Ellen @ 01/21/2008 10:43:34 AM

Comment: Thanks to Bill, not only will I NOT vote for Hillary in the primary, I made the gut-wrenching decision this weekend not to vote for her if she becomes the candidate. Nice work, Bill. Though no surprise to see you behaving in such a dishonest way, and completely lacking in style and class. I can't bear the thought of four more years of the Clintons in the White House. We'll survive four years of a Republican, look at what we've survived already......

Posted By: maskddingo @ 01/21/2008 11:34:54

Comment: You are absolutely correct.... Life long democrat here... NO WAY i repeat, NO WAY! I will vote for Hillary. This is an election where the democratic candidate SHOULD be able to run away with a victory after 8 horrible years of the worst president in American history.... Nominating Hillary actually gives the republicans not only a chance, but a GREAT shot of winning. McCain against Hillary won't even be close... McCain in a landslide.....

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 18:16:00

Comment: I agree! Why are there no polls out that show the super-Tuesday voters this - HRC's "electability" is still out there as a main reason why people support her. The number of dems that will no longer vote for her is growing daily, independents flock to McCain, and only the GOP will turn out in DROVES in November, as she is "fatal" (see Mccaskill's statement) for the down ticket, thus harming senate and house races, esp., in the red-turning-purple states... This leaves us with a weakened congress, and even a possible loss in November. Back to the thread of this discussion: WHERE ARE THE PARTY LEADERS? They see where this train wreck is headed. This is a roll of the dice we cannot afford!

Posted By: fougasseu @ 01/21/2008 10:35:36 AM

Comment: The Clintons don't like to play by the rules, do they? Whether in their personal lives or following th Constitution. Bill doesn't get a third term, but by parsing - "It depends on what your definition of a third term is" - Bill's going for it. There's something unnatural about the two of them teaming up to beat Obama. Is this a contest between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, or some sort of WWF cage match where two wrestlers show up to tackle the good guy? Obama needs some friends!

Posted By: Mary Ellen @ 01/21/2008 10:32:59 AM

Comment: Well done, Bill. I reluctantly voted for you in '92, opted to leave that part blank in '96, and am a Obama supporter. It is no surprise to me that you are distorting Obama's words, or that you are showing your typical lack of style and class. I will never vote for Hillary - not in the primary, not in the general. Another four years of the Clintons in the White House is something I will never support. So keep it up, Bill, and you'll see another Republican in the White House. Way to go.

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/21/2008 10:29:01 AM

Comment: Oh Barack Hussein Obama won't unite states- he might unite antifreedomite idiots in various states - like any cheap sliime democrat would- to try to take over and destroy our once-great nation. Look people- you need to understand- the entire democrat platform is a threat to our republic. WAKE UP. Vote Freedom First.

Posted By: gailmd @ 01/21/2008 10:26:05 AM

Comment: Sure, Bill is the expres but he is also the spouse of the candidate. From what I hear, Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Edwards are pretty rough on their sposes' opposition...that's different because they have never been elected to public office? The press gives Bill's statements more weight because they give them so much coverage.

Excuse me...Bill is Herod and Barak is "the babe of Bethlehem"...ah, that's really over the top.

Posted By: kirby109 @ 01/21/2008 10:23:01 AM

Comment: Shame on you nvs9940 for playing the HUSSEIN card. As an Independent I'm finding t hard to justify a vote for HRC. The nastyness of the Clintons in this day and age is just sad.

Posted By: kirby109 @ 01/21/2008 10:20:59 AM

Comment: Shane on you nvs9940 for playing the HUSSEIN card. As an Independent I'm finding t hard to justify a vote for HRC. The nastyness of the Clintons in this day and age is just sad.

Posted By: Poor Richard @ 01/21/2008 10:17:20 AM

Comment: The active involvement of a former president in bare knuckles political campaigning is unprecendented and innapropriate, even if the candidate he is supporting is his wife. But then, given the extracurricular activities he initiated in the Oval Office, one can see that Bill Clinton has never been particularly worried about maintaining the diginity of the Office of the President.

Posted By: bigsmile @ 01/21/2008 10:16:07 AM

Comment: Any wonder what Bill will be doing while Hillary is running the country. And he thinks she didn't have time for him when he was the President. Let's change the color of the dress.

Posted By: "Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen @ 01/21/2008 10:14:30 AM

Comment: Martin Luther King, Jr., talked about his dream of living in a nation where people will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Barack Obama ran and won in the Iowa caucus by promising to unite "red" states and "blue" states in a common national cause.

Then he was ambushed by the Clintons, who knowing there are more white voters than black voters in the country, sought to define Obama as the "black" candidate.

( As Newsweek is reporting, Sen. Ted Kennedy has correctly accused Bill Clinton of injecting race into the campaign.)

Frankly, it makes me sick to my stomach that race is being used--in 2008!--in a Democratic contest. And now the Clintons will parade in front of black churches on MLK Day, claiming that is was all one big misunderstanding.

We know what the meaning of "is" is. And this "is" wrong!!!

Martin Edwin Andersen

Churchton, Maryland

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 18:18:45

Comment: Agreed! The Clintons "play the race card"... I don;t think they do it because they are racist, but they would play ANY card to win, no matter at what cost. Wake up, party leaders and thinking voters - for the Clintons, it's always about THEM, We do deserve better than letting them drag the party and all of us down...

Posted By: Billup @ 01/21/2008 10:14:00 AM

Comment: John Nance Garner (VP under FDR) once remarked the the vice presidency "wasn't worth a warm bucket of p..." If HRC is elected, with WJC in White House with her, who will accept the VP position uner HRC? waupton@gmail.com

Posted By: emptyk @ 01/21/2008 10:10:35 AM

Comment: Obama is a commanding and inspiring leader; he is not the god-like creature being depicted by the national press The Clintons aren't racists. When you are up against coverage such as we have seen on Hillary, you must use reasonable means to bakance the debate. Good story on the facts. If Alter hadn't been a Dittohead to Chris Matthews on his show for the last 3 months, he would have more cedibility to write it.

Posted By: emptyk @ 01/21/2008 10:05:37 AM

Comment: Good story on the facts. If Mr. Alter hadn't been such a Dittohead to Chris Matthews on Hardball for the last three months, the topic would be more credible for him. How does one run against an opponent who has temporarily hypnotized the journalism world. I think Senator Obama is a inspiring leader of historic proportions. He isn't the god-like figure being depicted in the press. Nor are the Clintons racists.

Posted By: JWendell @ 01/21/2008 10:00:09 AM

Comment: I see Bill is right there with Ron Dellums, socialist and former Democrat Congressman from California.

He can't wait for the Democrats to win the White House and inflict a socialist regime on all Americans.

It was Dellums who was the first US congressman to travel to Cuba with his staff in the 1970's.

My Cuban exile wife was on the flight with them and gave them hell for selling out to a thief and murderer

like Fidel. Hillary Clinton will do her damnedest to impose another socialist regime here!

Posted By: Rev. Morrison @ 01/21/2008 9:56:36 AM

Comment: It is inappropriate and unpresidential for former president clinton to continue in his raging attacks on

Sen. Obama. He is totally out of line. His planned dishonest comments, Sen. Hillarys unwillingness to

stop him, and the manipulation of people like pawns is a disgrace. Personally, as a minister he reminds me

of king herod who in his jealous rage and unrestrained lust of power was willing to do anything to kill

the rising hope the coming Babe of Bethlehem.

Posted By: Darrell7887 @ 01/21/2008 9:37:12 AM

Comment: I think it is hilarious that dems ar complaining they can't control Bill. It is you who enabled this guy by throwing him a rah rah pep rally in the rose garden after his impeachment. The republicans forced Nixon into seclusion out of shame.

Posted By: Frankcjcc @ 01/21/2008 9:31:08 AM

Comment: If you don't mind a brief history of American politics then please read. Dirty politics started with Alexander Hamilton vs Thomas Jefferson. George Washington hated political parties and warned that they would ruin the country. Aaron Burr killed Hamilton in a duel because of Hamilton's smear campaign against Burr's run for NY Governor. Politics these days is mild in comparison but Washington was right. We are polarized and hateful of eachother because of political parties. I don't have the answer because there are different ideologies but I refuse to hate my neighbor because of his political views.

Posted By: HP Moyer @ 01/21/2008 9:16:52 AM

Comment: Should Michelle Obama not be able to speak for her husband's campaign? Is Bill Clinton supposed to remain President Bill Clinton or is he allowed to act as the spouse of the candidate? You're not being fair but that's doesn't sell, does it Jonathon? And you went to a senior Obama adviser to confirm your opinion. How risky for you. Get real!

Posted By: M Whelan @ 01/21/2008 9:13:19 AM

Comment: A Dream Deferred, yes the Clintons are running in this campaign for themselves, presently the Democratic nominating process is the backdrop for the ongoing Bill and Hillary domestic drama writ large on the National stage. Bill needs to deliver 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, a house Hillary has alway covetted, in order for him to be finally forgiven all his past transgressions. In the meantime the Democratic party and the Nation, if Bill succeeds, will have to subordinate all other dreams and practicalities, in order to permit the Bill and Hillary domestic drama to continue in the poblic arena.

M. Whelan

Brooklyn, NY

Posted By: maskddingo @ 01/21/2008 9:04:08 AM

Comment: Life long Democrat here.... this guy has done nothing but tarnish the parties image for personal gain. I am getting quite sick of it. and quite sick of him, and his power hungry wife. You want Change in the countries direction? Won't find it with the Clintons... we will just get more of the same 'ol lies... We're seeing it already!!! These 2 charlatans are going to tear the democratic party apart. I see it happening already.

Posted By: carnabylane @ 01/21/2008 8:40:43 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton is a sexist pig who put his lust before his country. I do not want to see him in the Whitehouse again for any reason. I voted fro him twice and he betrayed my trust then. Now he's just a blowhard with a wife who put her political ambitions above her pride. They are both losers in my book. My vote goes to the war mongering McCain over them any day.

Posted By: natd @ 01/21/2008 8:04:18 AM

Comment: It's becoming increasingly clear that the Clintons aren't running as Democrats, they're running as Clintons. Bill's willingness to become so involved in this campaign shows that he's got no qualms with fragmenting the Democratic Party in an attempt to regain power, if even by proxy.

Posted By: Wildcatdiva @ 01/21/2008 7:46:04 AM

Comment: She may win the battle but she won't win the war. Democrates better believe that the Republicans will win in Nov. if Bill Clinton keeps this up. Hillary will also understand what a fractured party will do for her....try nothing.

Posted By: mollycoddle @ 01/21/2008 7:37:27 AM

Comment: Ridiculous. Of course Clinton is supporting his wife. And if Obama can't handle criticism now-especially since he has gotten so little of it from the press-how is he going to deal with Republican attacks if he is the nominee????

Posted By: fairheritagenumbers @ 01/21/2008 6:50:27 AM

Comment: In 1996, then Pres. Bill Clinton signed an immigration enforcement bill, IIRAIRA. He signed it into law with few misgivings. The bill was designed to end illegal immigration without offering any increase in legal means to do so. If he had not signed this law, arguably the lives of immigrants in the U.S. would be much better.

This piece of the Clinton legacy, IIRAIRA, can and should be an issue in the '08 campaign because it really is the foundation for the attrition agenda. I think a fair question for any candidate would be, "knowing what we do now, would you have supported IIRAIRA?"

Answers to this question may offer a point of distinction among the candidates.

Posted By: daplane @ 01/21/2008 4:55:14 AM

Comment: Kill Bill

Neuter Helliary

Save America from its greed infested self

If that is possible

Posted By: averageamerican @ 01/21/2008 4:11:31 AM

Comment: HRC and BO are both excellent candidates. In my opinion it was BO who has tried to use and inject the race card, which is rediculous. Hillary and Bill Clinton have both worked for and stand for racial and social justice.

Their reord and their siupport in the black community has shown this over time. what hillary said about Prsident Lyndon Johnson is correct that it took President LBJ to get civil rights legislation past. This in no way deminishes the life work of DR ML King. Conservative talk shows have used this as an issue to devide democrats and liberals. Don't be suckered by the conservative game and agenda to try and devide and conquer the democrats effort to bring some equality back to the white house. Regardless if it is BO or HRC both stand for equal rights for all cultures, races, sexualm preference. Stop letting urselves be used by the conservatives. get back on message regarding equal rights for all, health care, the economy stupid and the war. I believe Obama and his supporters have been more guilty of smearing HRC regarding race just as HRC is more guilty of trying to smear BO regarding possible drug use as a student. Both of these tactics have to stop or we are playing into the conservatives hands. We are family and have much more that unites us than devides us. lets keep our eye on whats important, equality, health care, economy, stop the war, a change is needed from the republicans that got us in this mess. Either Democrat will get us out.

Posted By: ayoss58 @ 01/21/2008 3:11:37 AM

Comment: The next thng Bill should do is wear hillary skirt. Look how demeaning a former will stoop that low:alaw suit to disenrangse a democraic base so that his wiewll win, workers supression,playing blacks against blacks and against latinos. well, thanks to your racism, hite America is silent and black Aeric is divided. But we neverforge that Bill and Hillary used racism to win te primaies. Let see whether you will th presidency with your Latinos..You have disrespected the black rce and youwill pay.

Posted By: rtk1963 @ 01/21/2008 2:25:56 AM

Comment: Bill, let her win.

The voters are deciding on her, not you.

You had your time, so stay out of it.

The more that you say, many of us will go to Obama.

You are hurting the cause more than you know.

95% of my friends have turned away from Hillary due to you.

Keep going and we will be out.

Posted By: imntacrook @ 01/21/2008 1:39:10 AM

Comment: They can attack all they want! Neither HRC or BO have the qualifications necessary to become president. Is this the best the Democrats can do? It does not reflect well on our country at all.

Posted By: Cuttle @ 01/21/2008 1:17:53 AM

Comment: The troubling thing is, either Bill's nasty and intemperate attacks on Obama were done at Hillary's behest, or they weren't. And if they weren't, it raises the issue of what kind of loose cannon Bill Clinton would be in the second Clinton presidency. If Hillary can't control what Bill says and does in public now, chances are she won't be able to do it then, either. And that's leaving aside the issue of Bill's uncontrollable *private* (but ultimately, inevitably public) behavior, an issue that nobody is even hinting at in the media at the moment but that many former Clinton Democrats like me can't help worrying about. Humiliating Hillary as First Lady was one (terrible) thing; doing it as President is something else again. I just dread it happening again.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 18:26:23

Comment: Exactly! What % of the Clinton years was spent on distractions caused by the Clintons' picadillos, from travelgate, fostergate, Lincoln bedroom and desk stories, PERJURY, the pardons, monica-gate, whitewater, parsing "is", defining 'sex", and these are just the first that come to mind. See the GOP salivating to go back to the "good old days"? And an HRC ticket will turn them out in droves, hurting any one else on the dem. ticket....

Posted By: rjbyrne @ 01/21/2008 1:12:04 AM

Comment: public4 states, "I'm sorry, I believe in affirmative action in jobs, but we can't have an affirmative action President." Perhaps, then, you can clearly explain one qualification that recommends HRC to be President.

Hillary is running on the hope and belief, so far demonstrated, that a large block of otherwise reasonably intelligent female voters will vote for her because of her gender. This is demonstrated by the branding of Oprah Winfrey as a "traitor" by some for not endorsing the female candidate simply because she is female.

I do not believe that a rational and informed voter can listen to HRC, believe her, and determine that she should become POTUS. But then, that's not HRC's target audience.

Posted By: rjbyrne @ 01/21/2008 1:07:35 AM

Comment: public 4 says, "I'm sorry, I believe in affirmative action in jobs, but we can't have an affirmative action President. "

Perhaps, then, you can name a single qualification that HRC actually has to be President of the United States. She is running on the hope that a large bloc of otherwise reasonably intelligent women will flock to the polls and vote for her because she is female. That's the same mentality that has Oprah Winfrey branded as a "traitor" by some for not supporting the woman in the race.

I don't believe that any rationally thinking person can listen to HRC, believe anything that she says, and determine that she should become President. But then, that's not her target audience.

Posted By: northoftheborder @ 01/21/2008 12:07:19 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton is making himself look desperate to get back into the White House. Is this what the American Presidency has become? Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton? This Canadian has lost all respect for Mr. Clinton.

Posted By: public4 @ 01/20/2008 11:59:58 PM

Comment: Bill is angry because the press is giving Obama a free pass. No one can criticize Obama because he's black? Tell that to Putin, China and the European Union who would eat Obama alive. I'm sorry, I believe in affirmative action in jobs, but we can't have an affirmative action President. Let Obama fight like a man or drop out of the race.

Posted By: katbunny @ 01/21/2008 11:38:00

Comment: ...... Bull! Hillary needs to stop hiding behind her husband! This is a race between Hillary and Obama;

not Bill and Obama.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 18:27:30

Comment: Agreed - if Hillary cannot stand on her own feet, she has no place in this race!

Posted By: Nedudgi @ 01/20/2008 11:57:53 PM

Comment: The sad thing is that although Bill Clinton could have formulated his comments on Obama more carefully he is essentially correct on all points. Obama and his handlers are very good at quoting his and Hillary's comments and taking them out of context. And the media plays along because they love nothing more than controversy, even if it is manufactured by Obama's political operatives..

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 11:44:22 PM

Comment: Everyone- you must come to understand, then NEVER FORGET: Just like with booze and toxic waste, there is not a single problem for which the answer is a democrat running the show.

Posted By: arkansasguy @ 01/20/2008 11:35:02 PM

Comment: I have always been a fan of the Clintons, but I will never vote for them again. They have destroyed a great man. I think Bill has destroyed his legacy. They have played the racial card and will likely get the nomination, but don't be surprised if Hillary loses in the fall. Blacks will not save your ass this time. NO MORE BS

Posted By: rickorocko @ 01/20/2008 11:30:33 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton was a black president until a black candidate wanted to become a real black president. How dare a black man run against Hillary. After all Bill has done for black people. Unconscionable. No one can do this to BILL CLINTON

Posted By: arkansasguy @ 01/20/2008 11:28:59 PM

Comment: I have always been a big Clinton supporter but this attack on Obama just makes me sick. They may win the nomination but I doubt she can win in the fall. I am white but I think they palyed the race card and it just makes me sick. They should be ashamed of themselves. They can't play the innocent card card any longer. They played with fire and now they will get burned. Don't be surprised when blacks don't come out and save your ass this time.

Posted By: rickorocko @ 01/20/2008 11:27:46 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has always been and will always be a philanderer. Hillary would do anything to become President. Her training is chasing women who screwed Bill and calling them liars and whores. Is this who we want for president

Posted By: dsglick @ 01/20/2008 11:21:46 PM

Comment: One of the main reasons I love Newsweek is reading Jonathan Alter's thoughtful and insightful columns. This time Jonathan Alter once again voices a concern that Is in the minds of many supportersof Senator Clinton. While I will vote for Senator Clinton because I feel she is the candidate best prepared to lead this nation now, Senator Obama woud be a wonderful partner for the next administration, either as Vice Preident or as an important ally. in the Senate. President Clinton needs to find the discipline to step aside and let his wife speak for herself. He should advise her in private and become less of a pubic force in her campaign.

Posted By: pjflipper @ 01/20/2008 11:04:34 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is a poor excuse for the head of the Democratic party. He is a disgrace. After being impeached he should have gone into hiding as Nixon did. Not be granted unlimited acess by the media to lie again and

again. But those who criticize him, the senators and congressmen could shut him up by endorsing Obama or Edwards. He would get the message then.

Posted By: Mary Ellen @ 01/21/2008 10:28:40

Comment: Good job on this story. Disclosure: I am an Obama supporter. I voted for Bill in 1992 but not in 1996 (I left it blank). He is a scoundrel completely lacking in style and class, as his behavior of late has shown. I will not vote for Hillary in the primary, nor in the general. The thought of these folks in the White House for another four years is more than I can stomach. Mary

Posted By: pjflipper @ 01/20/2008 10:57:03 PM

Comment: If Mr. Clinton thinks he can lie, distort and ignore advice from others that makes him no better than Castro,

Sadam hussein or any other tyrant. People in Kenya were by and large law abiding until a rigged election sent them rioting.

Posted By: ChanRobt @ 01/20/2008 10:54:09 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton was an unseemly president. Now he is unseemly as an ex-president, acting out a role that is totally inappropriate. It is absolutely correct that he is now a legitimate campaign issue. And a big problem.

Posted By: eswatson @ 01/20/2008 10:45:56 PM

Comment: Clinton's foot soldiers spreading ugly lies about Obama on the internet should be ashamed of themselves. This fine man has a family. How would you feel if someone spread ugly rumors about your brother or dad?This is a decent country. Please stop this ugliness now!

Posted By: Ann31 @ 01/20/2008 10:37:41 PM

Comment: After New Hampshire I was reminded why I don???t want to see the Clinton co-presidency in the White House again. They want to win more than they want to serve and they will destroy anyone or anytihing that gets in their way including Barack Obama, the Democratic party and our country. Hillary Clinton, with the help of Gloria Steinem, the media coverage and many frustrated women, won the NH primary by playing the gender card and getting the sympathy vote. Bill played the bully and the race card and berated Obama in a way that some Americans including myself found offensive. By winning in this way, Hillary has shown us once again that she and Bill Clinton can divide rather unite us. Within days of NH, the campaign is now being defined by gender and race. I am a 59 year old woman who would love to vote for a woman president but not someone who voted for the Iraq war, whose real experience can never be sorted out from her husband???s and whose campaign tactics are, I believe ???in my heart???, not genuine but disgusting. Gender is not the issue. Neither is race. We all know that Hillary is competent and not a female victim and she certainly wasn???t being attacked by Barack Obama who has been gracious and dignified through out this campaign and has not asked for special consideration on the basis of race and upo unitl that time had been trying to avoid it. I applaud Senator Kennedy and Rep. Emmanual for trying to contain Bill Clinton but a narcisistic bully like Bill will be impossible to contain.

Posted By: lindasmith @ 01/20/2008 10:35:28 PM

Comment: Mr. Alter thinks Bill Clinton should pipe down? Mr. Alter, this is just the beginning of the second Clinton co-presidency. We're just going to see more and hear more from Bill if Americans should be dumb enough to re-elect this power-hungry couple. The Democratic Party seems hell-bent on nominating losers: Al, John, Hillary. Can't George Soros come up with better candidates to foist on us?

Posted By: eswatson @ 01/20/2008 10:28:03 PM

Comment: It is obvious Bill Clinton lacks discipline. Maybe he should take some lessons from George H Bush. I used to like Bill and Hillary but watching them during the course of their campaign, if she wins the nomination I will just stay home!

Posted By: waitingontheworldtochange @ 01/20/2008 10:06:01 PM

Comment: I think iit's awesome that Sen. Kennedy and Rep. Emmanuel have said somethng to Bill about is behavior. personally don't think HRC can stand on her own two feet and I am beginning to think that this election is more about a third term for Bill.. It was serve Billary well if Sen. Kennedy endorsed Sen.Obama or Edwards.

Posted By: midtod @ 01/20/2008 9:57:03 PM

Comment: This good cop/bad cop routine of Bill and Hill is transparently manipulative and disingenuous of them both. Take Bill out of the picture for a moment. Imagine he is sidelined through illness and can't campaign. The question then becomes: can Hillary stand on her own two feet? For a woman who repeatedly claims she is ready to take over the Presidency from Day One, she certainly seems to be relying on her hubby a lot. That does not reflect favorably on her executive ability. She pretends to be a feminist but still turns to her old man to pave the way for her. Shameless.

Posted By: Debster @ 01/20/2008 23:30:01

Comment: I enjoyed your comment and did not think about how much Hillary depends on Bill. I cannot stand either one of them and try not to think of them at all. However, all I see is either her crying or Bill on TV with a puffed up face because he is angry. We Americans cannot let this power hungry couple in the White House again. We just can't be that stupid twice, can we? The fact he didn't go into hiding after he was impeached shows just how he thinks and that is he will do anything to get to the top...again. She is shameless and I am ashamed of any woman who wants her in just because she is a woman. Americans should want the best person regardless of race or gender.

Posted By: midtod @ 01/20/2008 9:50:09 PM

Posted By: "Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen @ 01/20/2008 9:34:39 PM

Comment: Comment: I am very glad to see Sen. Kennedy and Rep. Emanuel taking principled stands against the Clintons' race-coding and shabbiness. It galls to see Hillary Clinton invoke the best traditions of the Democratic Party on human rights when as late as two years ago she said she supported torture (see www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/6050.html ). For me, a candidate who supported torture just two years ago is as unaccepteable as a candidate who supported racial segregation two years ago. Hillary was the only Democratic presidential contender who did not reject torture from the start.

Martin Edwin Andersen

Churchton, Maryland

Posted By: "Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen @ 01/20/2008 9:33:47 PM

Martin Edwin Andersen

Churchton, Maryland

Posted By: bilal @ 01/20/2008 9:19:36 PM

Comment: i am thinking about voting for jhon mccain , after the primary because of bil clinton, i will not call him president, because i think he has lower himself with talk. iam a black man 55 years old, have never voted republican before. but i thinking about it now

Posted By: bccity @ 01/20/2008 9:05:28 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is the most prolific campaigner that I have ever seen and I can see no reason he should not help his wife become the first woman President of our country. As for all of the BS about Clinton being a liar, he has only been caught lying about his extra marital affaires which while not commendable is hardly unusual among men. Why is it that I never hear Newt referred to as a liar when he was banging his staff member while calling for Clinton???s impeachment for having sex with Monica?

Bill Clinton was our best President since JFK and is loved and respected throughout the world. He is actively working to improve the lives of people that are suffering in the third world countries. He has nothing to apologize for while campaigning here in Nevada. I live in Boulder City Nevada and all of his rallies are packed with the isles full of people standing to see and hear him.

Posted By: mevmark @ 01/21/2008 13:07:27

Comment: Yeah, He sure cared about all those people in Rwanda didn't he? And people typically gawk at accident scenes as well. That miserable excuse for a man should never stop apologizing to the American people until his dying day for his general incompetence, gutlessness in dealing with terrorists and for making the American Presidency the laughing stock of the world

Posted By: mevmark @ 01/21/2008 13:07:27

Posted By: mevmark @ 01/21/2008 13:05:55

Posted By: Minh in HCMC @ 01/20/2008 8:56:29 PM

Comment: "Just pee in the jar, Mr. President." Willy looks like he just got pulled over for DUI. Dems have NO CLASS.

Posted By: jcpogue @ 01/20/2008 8:38:54 PM

Comment: If the Hill/Billy bashing of Senator Obama continues, I'll probably vote for Howdy-Doody. This type of intra party fighting is exactly what I think the country is tired of. Is winning for the Clintons the end all?

Posted By: jcpogue @ 01/20/2008 8:36:55 PM

Comment: If the Hill/Billy show continues I'll vote for Howdy-Doody. This is exactly what this country does not need.

Posted By: Roameo @ 01/20/2008 8:18:55 PM

Comment: If Hillary and Bill will blatantly lie to Americans about Obama's words, saying Obama said Republicans had BETTER ideas in the nineties instead of MORE ideas -- a great and vital distinction -- what lies won't they tell us in their desperate, unethical quest to reach the White House again? I'm already sick to my stomach and soul from seven years of a pathologically lying administration. Hillary and Bill and only offering more of the same. The pathetically unprincipled, power-hungry Clintons are but a constant and keen reminder of why we need what Obama offers -- political life and government on a higher plane.

Posted By: alexblack @ 01/20/2008 8:18:51 PM

Comment: As a lifelong Democrat who voted for Bill twice, I have become so appalled with the Clint;ons' distortions and smears against Obama that I will crawl through brokend glass to vote Rebublican this year if Hillary gets the nomination, and every Democratic friend I have feels the same. Character, honesty, and integrity matter in the White House, and their Rove-like slime campaign against a fellow Democrat has demonstrated that when the chips are down, they simply have none

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 8:07:06 PM

Comment: Helo Mr ALL CAPS: bill cannot be first gentleman. He is nto a gentleman. He could be first philanderer.....

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 8:03:45 PM

Comment: Hey now that is bright- just repeat and repeat and make folks need to read through your multiple posts to see other comments.... But the truth is out there- EVERYTHING about marx, and his followers since him, is garbage. He caused a hundred million deaths last century... but last century's deaths were the innocent. THIS century, it will be the marxists that die. Terrorists, all of you.... marxist, islamic fanatical- you beg to die when you begin telling folks how they MUST live... this here is the USA and free people will not go willingly to your chains. Stay down with uncle hugo.

Posted By: RED_WHITE_BLUE @ 01/20/2008 8:02:25 PM

Comment: BRAVO BILL ~!~!~!~ ANYONE WHO THINKS BILL SHOULD TONE IT DOWN IS SIMPLY JEALOUS OF BILL"S CHARISMATIC INFLUENCE ~!~!~!~ FOR BILL TO BECOME FIRST GENTLEMEN, IT"S ONLY NATURAL FOR HIM TO CAMPAIGN HARD FOR HILLARY - ANYTHING LESS MAKES NO SENSE ~!~ IT"S A BLESSING TO HAVE BILL INVOLVED SO ' PIPE DOWN' TO ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE~!~!~!

Posted By: Miss Bobbie @ 01/20/2008 21:54:17

Comment: "Bravo" I couldn't have said it better myself

Posted By: Miss Bobbie @ 01/20/2008 21:52:18

Comment: Couldn't have said it better myself

Posted By: Hispanic4Obama @ 01/20/2008 7:58:16 PM

Comment: I disagree with the revolutionary philosopher, Karl Marx, that religion is the opiate of the people. I think political dynasties is the true opiate of the people. With the Clinton's less-than-subtle references to Obama's teenage drug use, perhaps one should pause to ponder an opiate that afflicts--not just one person--but, our entire nation.

So, okay people, one more time:

This is our nation:

("...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.")

These are our dynasties:

(Bush--Clinton--Clinton--Bush--Bush)

This is our nation "on" dynasties:

"Read my lips: no new taxes." (Bush)

"I did not inhale." (Clinton)

"I did not have sex with that woman." (Clinton)

"Saddam Hussein has...weapons of mass destruction." (Bush)

"Katrina" (Bush).

Any questions?

Posted By: skyaz@hotmail.com @ 01/20/2008 22:31:23

Comment: JEB BUSH '08

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 7:53:04 PM

Comment: Hello Hispanic for Obama (for some unexplained reaason).... the quote you should recall the president making is "all terrorists shall feel the full force and fury of the American people" and saddam was a terrorist...he paid people to explode in israel- enough said. That gave us a foot print out of saudi but also placed us on both sides of iran- the biggest exporter of terror the world has known. Recall- since world war two at any given time there have been at least 30 and up to 80 wars going on all over the world.... 95% of them started by islamic fanatical stone aged murder cultists trying to take over teh world. This must be stopped. Your Obama will help the enemy long before he protects YOUR right to defend yourself from the fanatical stone aged murder cultitsts!!! If you are not free to defend yourself, you are free to be murdered. And that is what all the democrats want for all of us.

Not me- i vote AMERICAN.

Posted By: redstateroger @ 01/20/2008 7:49:39 PM

Comment: none should be surprised by latinos choosing Hilary over Obama, traditionally there has always been political distrust between blacks and latinos. Obama should simply focus on black voters, if Hilary strips him of that group, you can bet there won't be another black man attempting a presidential run in another 20 years.

Posted By: frpr @ 01/20/2008 7:41:41 PM

Comment: To me, "Where's the beef?" is as appropriate amidst the torrent of words that are flying everywhere as when the phrase was first coined. Let's vote for people of substance, who walk the talk, not just talk the walk!

Posted By: Hispanic4Obama @ 01/20/2008 7:39:22 PM

So, okay people, one more time:

This is our nation:

("...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.")

These are our dynasties:

(Bush--Clinton--Clinton--Bush--Bush)

This is our nation "on" dynasties:

"Read my lips: no new taxes." (Bush)

"I did not inhale." (Clinton)

"I did not have sex with that woman." (Clinton)

"Saddam Hussein has...weapons of mass destruction." (Bush)

"Katrina" (Bush).

Any questions?

Posted By: Hispanic4Obama @ 01/20/2008 7:38:54 PM

So, okay people, one more time:

This is our nation:

("...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.")

These are our dynasties:

(Bush--Clinton--Clinton--Bush--Bush)

This is our nation "on" dynasties:

"Read my lips: no new taxes." (Bush)

"I did not inhale." (Clinton)

"I did not have sex with that woman." (Clinton)

"Saddam Hussein has...weapons of mass destruction." (Bush)

"Katrina" (Bush).

Any questions?

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 7:28:26 PM

Comment: I say that we , the people, should stop paying secret service to LLIFETIME protect fromer presidents- ANYWHERE they go- we could maybe offer it at their home. But no foreign travel, no interstate travel. They are overpaid anyway for a single speech they get more than most people in a YEAR- they can buy their own damned sevurity details. Or just a gun, and defend tehmselves like they try to prevent us from doing. HYPOCRITES!! Stop electing democrats people...they are evil.

Posted By: renie @ 01/20/2008 7:27:55 PM

Comment: Bills aggressive behavior on the campaign trail sends me a message as to what things would be like in the White House if Hillary became president. We would not only have to put up with her cold anger but his uncontrollable mouth and arrogance. Who's running for president, Hil or Bill?

Posted By: frpr @ 01/20/2008 7:14:21 PM

Comment: My hope is that the American people will be able to discern truth from lies, and pick the most honest players.

I think the media can help the electorate the most if it makes a concerted effort to compare candidates' statements with the facts, and expose those who lie and those who do not. This will supply voters with the means to select the best candidates. I feel voters are trying their best to make the best choices at this critical time, and the media can best serve the cause by helping the citizens become informed voters.

Posted By: Swift2001 @ 01/20/2008 7:07:11 PM

Comment: Ooh, the Democratic higher-ups don't like Bill speaking out. They never did anyway, so who cares?

Posted By: carol41 @ 01/20/2008 7:04:51 PM

Comment: The perception already exists that Hillary is unelectable. By his behavior, Bill Clinton reinforces that belief with his lies and attacks against Obama. His presence and ugly demeanor and finger pointing reinforces the fact that America does not need to perpetuate political dynasties (and reminds us all of his parsing the 'definition of what is is.

Posted By: djsteil @ 01/20/2008 6:38:55 PM

Comment: Given their history, why would anyone believe anything the HillBilly's say?

These two criminals are in their element redefining "the end justifying the means". They are two politicians that have become corrupt by being in their chosen field too long. To avoid prosecution and voter intolerance they sophisticate their lying by redefining words like "is", "inhale", "sex", "perjury", "draft", "enabler", "marriage" and now "fairy tail".

The Roman Empire was destroyed within by corrupt politicians that felt the end justifies the means and their interests were more important than the peoples. Today we are on the brink of electing these two corrupt people to our highest elected office for a third time. How stupid is that!

Posted By: djsteil @ 01/20/2008 6:38:12 PM

Comment: Given their history, why would anyone believe anything the HillBilly's say?

Posted By: Tertius @ 01/20/2008 6:32:56 PM

Comment: The truth is, Obama is having to deal with what Republicans have been dealing with for over 15 years. Bull Clinton is a liar! Of course, until now, the left ignored it because it was politically expedient for them and they covered for him. But they should have seen it coming. When lies become an instrument of policy, you should know that sooner or later it will come back to bite you. Now it has!

Posted By: wallyman @ 01/20/2008 6:23:30 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton continuing to degrade the office of the President of the United States should be of no surprise to anyone. Name me one former president who campaigned for a candidate during the party's primary. None. Except Clinton thinks he is more important than anyone or anything. Yep, we are so glad the democrats are nominating Hillary. It's the only way the repubs can keep the White House.

Posted By: wallyman @ 01/20/2008 6:22:20 PM

Posted By: Liberal worm @ 01/20/2008 6:10:45 PM

Comment: LOL!! More right wing conspiracies, lambrusco? LOL!!! L O S E R!!!

Posted By: falconernw @ 01/20/2008 6:06:21 PM

Comment: Hey Lambrusco,

You just proved our point, you can't even spell.

Posted By: MrPandy @ 01/20/2008 6:04:31 PM

Comment: That's right, lambrusco, it's the VRWC all over. The helicopters are over your home right now, watching you.

Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

Posted By: lambrusco @ 01/20/2008 5:56:08 PM

Comment: Remember when Bush paid millions for articles attacking McCain's military service,and won? Those same people,not the Clintons not Barack are writing these articles and seeing if dermocrats follow them like sheep or act like responsible citizens and see through their smoke. Don't let false lies and Republican surrogates plant false articles that they think will split us up. They think Democrats atre not as intelligent as them.

Posted By: bpjam @ 01/20/2008 5:54:08 PM

Comment: If all of the hope and higher calling that Obama is apparently bringing out in democrat voters are going to be dashed upon the rocks of the bureaucrats who know they need Hillary to keep the government machine in place, then what do democrat voters have to look forward to? Another 4 years of TV shows filled with Clinton apologists explaining away every defect and attacking her political opponents? The democrat party has never done worse this century than when Clinton used it as a living host to feed his political popularity while sacrificing the faithful and their issues. Great news for democrats, huh?

Posted By: JOGO @ 01/20/2008 5:51:48 PM

Comment: The democrats better send this Arkansas Hillbilly home before he has a stroke or heart attack.

Posted By: lambrusco @ 01/20/2008 5:50:21 PM

Comment: Democrats. 9 out of 10 articles you read statements you hear on certain networks are not real. They are aimed at you they think you are sheep they think you follow what they write you are not a self-thinker. The other side makes up all this nagative hype lies so we Democrats will self-destruct. A fact a statement is not an attack. But they think you are fooled when they make it an attack. They and their strategy won in 2000

and 2004. Clinton and Barack are very special people. Don't let the opposition trick you into thinking any more any less any slant any hype. Let's stay together.

Posted By: GopLady @ 01/20/2008 19:34:35

Comment: Yea, they are special people. Both are unqualified and Hillary wouldn't know the truth about anything if it bit her on the butt. That is special.

Posted By: GopLady @ 01/20/2008 19:26:26

Comment: You are right. They are special people - both are unqualified and Hillary is incapable of telling the truth about anything. The Dems have so much to be proud of.

Posted By: JOGO @ 01/20/2008 5:49:17 PM

Comment: The democrats better send this Arkansas Hillbilly home befor he has a stroke and has to be carried out on a stretcher from some campaign location.

Posted By: lambrusco @ 01/20/2008 5:44:31 PM

Comment: lll

Posted By: Windsor @ 01/20/2008 5:44:16 PM

Comment: Bill Cllinton wants to become President, that is his main objective. And people of America, it can happen! why do you think he is out there attacking on every issue. This is just more dirty tricks by the Clintons, they cannot play fair. If Hillary becomes President, she can make Bill her VP. If she decides to cry and throw of her fits, she can say, I have had enough, Bill you take over. You are better at this than I am. It can happen. Wake up America!

Posted By: T. Scott @ 01/20/2008 5:42:52 PM

Comment: Using his middle birth name as part of a sideswipe insult identifies you instantly as a bigot and a fool, 88. Your attempt at subtlety is about as transparent as an oiled butt on a porn site.

Posted By: falconernw @ 01/20/2008 5:39:07 PM

Comment: Once again this egomaniac is exposing himself for the country dolt that he is. As much as I am getting to where I can't stand to see a Clinton face every day, the more I realize any presidency will be worse. Keep it up Wailing Willy l and you will be the best thing that ever happened to the Republicans. Or, just go home.

Posted By: Windsor @ 01/20/2008 5:38:24 PM

Comment: Bill Cllinton wants to be President again. Make no mistake about that. According to the 22 Amendment to the Constitution, he can if Hillary becomes President. She would then appoint him or pick him to be VP, and lets just say for one instance, she starts to cry when Iran decides to call her a B****. She can then say I have had enough, Bill you take over. Think about it, it can happen. So the reason Bill is not going to pipe down is because he really wants to be President. You know how evil and corrupt these people are. Wake up America!

Posted By: GopLady @ 01/20/2008 19:45:44

Comment: She would have to name him as her running mate prior to the election and you can bet a Clinton/Clinton ticket won't fly. I think Bill just wants the amenities of the Presidency - like Air Force One, etcetera. He isn't the ideologue that Hillary is. When he was President he had to be dragged screaming and kicking by his people in order to deal with any issue so I don't really think he's interested in being President again.

Posted By: Kaelinda @ 01/20/2008 5:38:02 PM

Comment: What did Hillary accomplish during her years as a senator? Nothing! What bills did she introduce that passed into law? None! What did she do while Bill was president? Commented on how "we" had just been elected president, tried and failed to ramrod through a national (socialist) health plan, and wore a headband. What else did she do that was newsworthy? She's not qualified to be president of the USA. I don't know enough about Obama to know if he's qualified, but it's for sure Hillary isn't!

Posted By: JaneL @ 01/20/2008 5:34:59 PM

Comment: On Good Morning America, Obama will address the issue of Bill Clinton attacking him. He will say that he is running against two Clintons.

It's about time Obama fought back.

Bill Clinton is acting like a Little League dad.

Biu

Posted By: cowboyfan88 @ 01/20/2008 5:29:53 PM

Comment: All of you kiss the ground he walks on until you realize that if Hillary wins the nomination, that the republicans will win the presidency. What a bunch of hypocrites. Can anybody criticize Hussein Obama without it being a race issue? He does not have the experience to run this country. Just because has has good speech writers doesn't make you qualified to run the free world. Let him go work for hallmark.

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 5:18:24 PM

Comment: Remember folks: a vote for a democrat makes you just another anti-freedomite swine.

Posted By: pastorfuzzy @ 01/20/2008 5:02:36 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has already demeaned the Office of President by his behavior with an intern. So it should suprise no one that this pattern continues. Of greater concern is the consitutional coup being attemted by the Clintons. There is a clear and compelling reason why Presidents are limited to two terms. Bill Clinton wishes desperately to find his way back to the White House and will do anything, and say anything to return to a measure of power. Hillary''s inability to control Bill tells you a great deal about where the power will truly rest in her administration.

Posted By: Tvidie @ 01/20/2008 4:51:13 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is doing irreperable harm to the office of the presidency with his no-holds barred, win at all costs behavior. A FORMER PRESIDENT injecting himself into a campaign by way OF MERCILESS ATTACKING basically insults the status as elder statesman and global representative to cheap political hack. He's no better than Rush Limbaugh right now!!!!!!!

Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/20/2008 4:46:51 PM

Comment: Racism has been institutionalized on both sides of the political spectrum since this country was founded. It has evolved into a "don't ask don't tell policy". You can laugh with your friends but don't get caught in public expressing your true racist feelings. The Latino vote is the x factor in this election and is going to be Jebb BUsh's bread and butter in four years. Racial tensions are high between latino's and blacks, however they share the same economic concerns. Both Hispanics and Blacks prospered in the ninety's.Think where African AMericans were before Clinton. Vernon Jordon is a prime example of why African Americans like Bill Clinton. African Americans fought for civil rights but are the least to benefit from it, instead white women have benefited the most from LINDeN JOHNSON"S CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION/ Martin Luther was the Architect that penetrated Washington and drafted modern civil rights legislation long before it was enacted.. It was Martin Luther's relationship with Bobby Kennedy and JFK that allowed Civil Rights to become a reality. THe first civil rights legislation was actually written in the nineteen thirty's but that is a whole other story.

Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/20/2008 4:43:30 PM

Comment: Comment: nvs9940, Are you part of the downsyndrome society? If you are not, then you have no execuse for your condition. I suggest You join the circus and tell stories with the clowns. I am sure you will get a BIG LAUGH from the audience because your stories are really funny. Anyone with a circus application please forward it to nvs9940.

So, it is a fact that White Women have benefited the most from civil rights legislation and hold high ranking positions throughtout American society. Hillary Clinton represents a faction of the civil rights movement and Obama another. Hillary's faction has proven to be stronger. And ironically her faction is the one that benefited the most from civil rights. . Obama's x factor is not race but unity. What brings unity, economic success for the average JOE.

There is only one unifying issue in this country and that is the ECONOMY, mONEY, DOLLARS, and that is why women with children are coming out in record numbers to support Hillary. They believe that Hillary can directly address their soccer mom concerns, education, health care and the economy.

The middle class has been the victim of corporate indoctrination. Stay StuPid. They do not want you to double your money they want you to double their money. Every middle class family should be able to do compound interest problems in their heads. It can be learned in grade two. It is a very useful skill to have because it gives you a lightning fast benchmark to determine how good (or not so good) a potential investment is likely to be.

The rule says that to find the number of years required to double your money at a given interest rate, you just divide the interest rate into 72. For example, if you want to know how long it will take to double your money at eight percent interest, divide 8 into 72 and get 9 years. If the Middle Class can make better financial decisions it would have a profound affect on the economy.

The rule A stronger middle class will make the rich richer in the long run and helP uPlift the Poor.

Posted By: quantumfoam @ 01/20/2008 4:42:07 PM

Comment: Leave Bill alone, he want's Hillary to win the presidency so that he will be in the catbird seat to personally welcome all the fresh new female interns into servicing his?

Posted By: fnr1969 @ 01/20/2008 4:28:53 PM

Comment: Most rapists have a temper and say things that, in retrospect, aren't too smart. Bill is no exception.

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 16:42:50

Comment: Angry outbursts are the hallmark. It would be fascinating to learn about the episodes off camera.

Posted By: Timber16 @ 01/20/2008 4:21:06 PM

Comment: Men don't WHINE and all Bill does is WHINE WHINE WHINE! AT LEAST I TRIED he WHINES!!!

He WHINES about how he TRIED to get Ben laden, he WHINES about the definition of SEX and IS.

He WHINED when he was CAUGHT with MONICA. The Press is bad, the court is bad, the television reporting is bad and the only thing good is Bill. After 30 minutes on TV he never mentions Hillary, it is all about BILL. He wanted a 3rd term and this is how he is going to get it....... he'll just WHINE to HILLARY and the entire WHITE HOUSE until he gets his way.

If Hillary wins it will e IN SPITE of Bill not because of him. Problem is no one will convenience Bill of that.

We will have to impeach Hillary just to get rid of Bill Clinton.... he cannot by Constitutional law have a 3rd term as President. Hillary stayed with him as he humiliated her and now she is stuck with him as he takes her down.

Taffy, Florida

Posted By: Timber16 @ 01/20/2008 4:20:35 PM

Comment: Men don't WHINE and all Bill does is WHINE WHINE WHINE! AT LEAST I TRIED he WHINES!!!

He WHINES about how he TRIED to get Ben laden, he WHINES about the definition of SEX and IS.

If Hillary wins it will e IN SPITE of Bill not because of him. Problem is no one will convenience Bill of that.

Taffy, Florida

Posted By: conbry @ 01/20/2008 4:19:21 PM

Comment: It's become so simple to me. Bill Clinton is jealous of Barack Obama. No one will ever be as good as he thinks he is. Bill is running against Obama, not his wife.

Posted By: vincefoster @ 01/20/2008 4:14:32 PM

Comment: WATCH HILLARY GET MOONED AT A RALLY BY A GUY WEARING A BLUE DRESS ALA MONICA. YOUTUBE: "BAD MOON RISING: HILLARY"

Posted By: FischKel @ 01/20/2008 4:13:34 PM

Comment: E.L.F. Clam Lake Wisconsin. Project ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) broadcasts electro-magnetic waves to communicate with Trident nuclear submarines stationed deep in the ocean to order them to surface to fire their nuclear missiles. ELF is intended to give the U.S. first strike capacity in the event of a nuclear war. Shut down temporarily due to protests against Bill Clinton in 2004, started back up. This is a Navy facility which has since closed its doors to the international community and will not allow inspections since 2004. It continues to operate even though it claimed to stop. It has NOT been dismantled in any way.

Posted By: bcb333 @ 01/20/2008 4:12:00 PM

Comment: nvs9940,

That is some weak crap. Is that all you got? That has been assiduously debunked. Yet, sad Rebublicans, terrified with their dismal electoral prospects, continue to distribute this nonsense. Why can't you beat Obama on the issues? Is it because Bush has screwed things up so badly that you have no argument for continued GOP leadership? Grow a pair and a brain and come out into the light and quit spreading this garbage, it's not only ignorant and stupid, it's unAmerican.

Posted By: FischKel @ 01/20/2008 4:10:35 PM

Comment: E.L.F. Clam Lake Wisconsin. First strike nuclear attack from Bill Clinton administration terrorizing nations with nuclear armed submarine vessles prepared for all out nuclear war. The international community has not been allowed through the gates of this navy facility to see if it is really NOT transmitting since 2004 or just shut down in 2004 temporarily to appease protestors and then started back up again.

Posted By: manapp99 @ 01/20/2008 3:37:03 PM

Comment: The article says "even if some of those doubts are distortions" Meaning lies. Nothing new about Bill Clinton lying however it has got to hurt both Hillary and Bill to keep reminding us. Bill is often times viewed as the consumate politician. Considering how much politicians lie I guess this is a fitting description.

Posted By: Reality08 @ 01/20/2008 3:34:33 PM

Comment: I was beginning to wondering how long the the Elder Statemen or some of the high profile Democrats were going to sit back and let the Clintons keep this relentless attack up on Senator Obama. The Clintons started the issue of race in this Campaign, and yet everyone seems to want to put it in the Obama Campaign. The Democrats are beginning to look very foolish in Clinton out there as an attack dog in the mischaracterizations of Sentor Obama.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 15:50:27

Comment: I doubt Bill will listen to private advise - even public 'humiliation' might not stop him - then he's back in his "victim of consipracy'mode - so it will need to be public, big endorsements. where is Gore, Where is Kennedy???

Posted By: savage24 @ 01/20/2008 3:24:53 PM

Comment: A little anger management wouldn't hurt, but with Slick Willie nothing works. Savage24

Posted By: indy50 @ 01/20/2008 3:19:29 PM

Comment: I have heard that in the older generation of people that temper outbursts can be symptomatic of Alzheimer's disease.

How old is ex-president Clinton now?

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 3:18:40 PM

Comment: There is more than one unifying issue. Illegal immigration, the economy (tax cuts), and energy independence. We need to drill oil in Alaska pronto to bring down the price of gasoline and boost the economy with very well paying jobs.

Posted By: ClintonsHatesMilitary @ 01/20/2008 3:18:00 PM

Comment: Clinton's most significant failings as President concerned less publicized but far more ominous matters of national security. Clinton's loathing of the American military led to his failure in his primary responsibility: the protection of the American people. His actions with regard to military preparedness speak for themselves. In less than three years, deployments increased while manpower decreased from 2.1 million to 1.6 million. That decrease was the foundation upon which stood Al Gore's purported "reinvention" of government. Of the 305,000 employees removed from the federal payroll, 286,000 (or 90%) were military cuts. The statistics for America's defense during the Clinton years reveal the deep-seated animosity of the administration toward those who served in the military. The Army was cut from 18 divisions to 12. The Navy was reduced from 546 ships to 380. Air Force flight squadrons were cut from 76 to 50. While the U.S. military was used as a 'meals on wheels' service by the Clinton administration in its nation building adventures, the military had its own humanitarian crises at home on its own bases. The pay freeze instituted by Clinton was imposed on a military in which 80 percent of all troops earned $30,000 per year or less. Food stamp applications soared and re-enlistment rates dropped.

Posted By: ClintonsHatesMilitary @ 01/20/2008 3:15:29 PM

Posted By: corrineh @ 01/20/2008 3:11:59 PM

Comment: To sculptor1 - I see you are among the voices of the kind and thoughtful. You seem to write in the same tone that Bill Clinton speaks these days. Do you find sarcasm the only way to speak your views?

Posted By: rvguytoo @ 01/20/2008 3:06:32 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is acting like a spoiled petulant child. Now he claims that a vast left wing conspiracy exists in his own party to manipulate votes and within the media to raise Obama and hold down Hillary.

Which is it Bill a Vast Right Wing, or left Wing conspiracy, or both?

Time for some mental counseling help or to change meds there Bill.

Posted By: jasisrad @ 01/20/2008 3:01:15 PM

Comment: Yeah, you Republicans who are enjoying watching us debate nominees - rest assured, whoever ends up winning the Dems will take the white house. And why? Because that monkey you guys voted into office has torn apart this country and damaged our image around the world to the point that your party is dead for at least the next 4 years. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, see last election. So go ahead and support Romney, who's got no shot in hell, Rudy who doesn't mind sinking to the level of using images from 9/11 in a freaking campaign commercial, and Huckabee who feels we should follow the laws of the bible over the laws of the constitution. Yes, enjoy away Republicans... because whoever takes the nomination will take the white house. And just remember why - that mentally incompetent chimp you guys have had for 8 years.

Posted By: quantumfoam @ 01/20/2008 17:04:07

Comment: Reply to JAmeS ISlamic RADical , Please calm down. We know you are out there. Your Islamic candidate doesn't have the snowballs chance.. Be nice!

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 15:11:10

Comment: Au contraire, my sophmoric dilettante. Our image is in such high esteem now that vital European allies in Germany and France now are back on our side.

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 2:45:19 PM

Comment: As a lifelong conservative I am giddy watching these idiots foul about. Clinton is a joke but I DO NOT want Hillary to lose the nomination. Romney '08

Posted By: Don'sRight @ 01/20/2008 2:23:12 PM

Comment: Bill Clintin has always done -- and will always do -- what he wants to do. He will break any promise, any oath, any vow and any commitment to get what he wants; and he desperately wants to return to the White House.

Posted By: Don'sRight @ 01/20/2008 2:18:33 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has always done, and will always do, what he wants to do. He is a selfish man who will break any rule, any oath, any commitment for his satisfaction; and he wants desperately to be back in the White House.

Posted By: getupstandup @ 01/20/2008 2:17:57 PM

Comment: Spare us that "heal the nation" drivel, Dems. And the rest of that Booomer Sixties pabulum you've been force-feeding your wimpy offspring.

Posted By: onward_ever @ 01/20/2008 2:16:17 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has los is mind and I do believe he will go down in history as one of the most corrupt presidents in history. However, I am grateful to him for one thing: He is responsible for me becoming a conservative. The way that liberals supported, and support, his corruption made me realize that, morally speaking, their party wasn't for me. As a proud moderate, I'm gunning for McCain. As such, please PLEASE let Billary get the nomination.

Posted By: JaneL @ 01/20/2008 2:13:54 PM

Comment: Mr. Clinton is acting like a whining, petulant, dad of a Little League player. Always saying "No fair." God help us if we get those people in the WH again.

Obama 08

Posted By: getupstandup @ 01/20/2008 2:13:43 PM

Comment: Spare us that "heal the nation" drivel, Dems. And the rest of that Boomers 60s bilge you've been force-feeding your wimpy kids.

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 2:13:38 PM

Comment: Comment: As a lifelong conservative I am giddy watching these idiots foul about. Clinton is a joke but I DO NOT want Hillary to lose the nomination. Romney '08

Posted By: BlueMax372 @ 01/20/2008 2:10:29 PM

Comment: With each passing day, Bill Clinton becomes increasingly incredible, irrelevant, and incoherent

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 2:09:38 PM

Comment: As a lifelong conservative I am giddy watching these idiots foul about. Clinton is a joke but I DO NOT want Hillary to lose the nomination. Romney '08

Posted By: BlueMax372 @ 01/20/2008 2:08:52 PM

Comment: With each passing day, Bill Clinton becomes increasingly incredible, irrelevant, and incoherent

Posted By: reader61 @ 01/20/2008 2:08:35 PM

Comment: Thank you for bringing this up. I am a woman, a Democrat and a feminist. I thought that Bill was a great president but wrote to Senator Clinton several weeks ago asking her to "bench" her husband. I would love to vote for a woman for president and was predisposed to vote for her, but have determined I cannot. Bill's active, aggressive tone leaves the perception that she is running as his proxy. I believe if she wins, it will not be her White House. He could not resist the impulse to "rescue" her, as he is doing now and she couldn't or wouldn't stop him,. That would set women back rather than move us forward. She is certainly competent would make an excellent president, if she could make the former president remain former.

Posted By: TexanForObama @ 01/20/2008 2:04:00 PM

Comment: "But the stakes couldn't be higher. It's worth it to tarnish himself a bit now to win the presidency."

Methinks Bill forgets who is really running for President. He wants a THIRD TERM!

Posted By: TexanForObama @ 01/20/2008 2:02:32 PM

Comment: "But the stakes couldn't be higher. It's worth it to tarnish himself a bit now to win the presidency."

Methinks Bill forgets who is actually running for President. He wants a THIRD TERM!

Posted By: Dryden01 @ 01/20/2008 2:02:25 PM

Comment: Imagine Bill Clinton having fallen so low that he is being scolded over his behavior by the likes of Ted Kennedy. Next thing you know Teddy will be giving Bill driving lessons before his next big date with Monica.

Posted By: cashero @ 01/20/2008 2:00:44 PM

Comment: The Clintons remind of being Frick and Frack -- an old Burlesque comedy team. In those days when the comedians went too long or laid a bomb, a hook would come out and pull them off stage. Where's the hook to get them off the world stage? Enough is enough of the Clintons and the Bushes. Doing the same old same old and expecting different results is crazy. But then likes attract likes!

Posted By: Dryden01 @ 01/20/2008 1:59:33 PM

Comment: Imagine Clinton having fallen to thre

Posted By: wdlivingston44 @ 01/20/2008 1:46:22 PM

Comment: Come on, Lefties, please give us a Hillary nomination.

Posted By: nostudme @ 01/20/2008 1:41:15 PM

Comment: STFU BJ

Posted By: cashero @ 01/20/2008 1:38:22 PM

Comment: Bill and Hillary remind me of Frick and Frack. In the old burlesque days when the comedians would go too long or lay a bomb, a hook would come out and pull them off stage.. Geezzzee where is the hook?. Please1 Get off the world stage. No more Clintons or Bushes. They are old, stale, same old. It's time we wake up and go for new ideas and real change in the White House.

Posted By: starving actor @ 01/20/2008 1:36:28 PM

Comment: So long as we never elect any more thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrats, our county will survive. VOTE FREEDOM FIRST. WALLETS SECOND. Remember folks, when they talk about "reasonable gun control"- if you are not free to DEFEND YOURSELF- you are only FREE TO BE MURDERED. Dis-elect dems until they are no more...

Posted By: corrineh @ 01/20/2008 15:17:12

Comment: You may want to cut-down on the caffeine.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:36:10

Comment: Darnit, another insurgent defending a right to IED's has infiltrated the message boards!

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/20/2008 1:35:28 PM

Comment: This portrayal of HRC as a victim of the media is about as empowering to her campaign as the crocodile tears she forced in New Hampshire. Not to mention the perpetual need to have Bill come to her defense like a father defending his timid child on the playground ('Those mean BOYS need to back off of my baby!') If Hillary is such a viable and deserving candidate, how will she respond when the hard core politicking begins in the fall? She has no control of her supporters and campaign staff, who have taken every chance to take cheap shots at Obama, and she has placed her own foot in her mouth several times, most notably with a poorly worded analogy about Dr. King's role in the civil rights act. If she thinks it's tough now, how will she respond when the republicans emphasize the fact that she is a figure head for Bill's empire and not worthy on her OWN merits? There's a fresh idea: a candidate who prospers on his/her OWN record, instead of revving up the old, powerful "Clinton machine" and taking it out for a final ride.

Posted By: corrineh @ 01/20/2008 1:28:24 PM

Comment: As a life-long democrat, I just think it's sad that the very slash and burn politics associated with the Bush/Rove campaigns are surfacing with the Clintons. Let's face it..if Hillary wins, Bill wins. If anyone thinks he will not be the untitled VP, having his hands in all the facets of the Oval office, then people are delusional. As a woman, I'd like to see her fight her own battles on the campaign trail without needing hubby.

Posted By: sculptor 1 @ 01/20/2008 15:06:47

Comment: The slash and burn politics associated with Bush/Rove!!?? Remove the scales from your eyes, the Clintons were the experts and still practicing their worst. Read the judicial report just released and wake up!

Posted By: jerseypal @ 01/20/2008 1:21:42 PM

Comment: "Leading Democrats?" The real "leading Democrats" are either running for President, or have actually been President. It seems that "Following Democrats" are actually the ones in position to offer the kinds of advice that has resulted in their having achieved their present status as well known followers of the actual leaders. So let the leaders lead! And that sure as heck includes Bill Clinton. Apparently Obama's a little too used to running unopposed.

Posted By: jerseypal @ 01/20/2008 1:20:33 PM

Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/20/2008 1:20:28 PM

Comment: So, it is a fact that White Women have benefited the most from civil rights legislation and hold high ranking positions throughtout American society. Hillary Clinton represents a faction of the civil rights movement and Obama another. Hillary's faction has proven to be stronger. And ironically her faction is the one that benefited the most from civil rights. . Obama's x factor is not race but unity. What brings unity, economic success for the average JOE.

The rule A stronger middle class will make the rich richer in the long run and helP uPlift the Poor.

Posted By: RomneyDefeatsHillary08 @ 01/20/2008 15:08:53

Comment: You're almost there. There is more than one unifying issue. Illegal immigration, the economy (tax cuts), and energy independence. We need to drill oil in Alaska pronto to bring down the price of gasoline and boost the economy with very well paying jobs.

Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/20/2008 12:58:06 PM

Comment: Raciscm has been institutionalized on both sides of the political spectrum since this country was founded. The Latino vote is the x factor in this election and is going to be Jebb BUsh's bread and butter in four years. Racial tensions are high between latino's and blacks, however they share the same economic concerns. Both Hispanics and Blacks prospered in the ninety's.Think where African AMericans were before Clinton. Vernon Jordon is a prime example of why African Americans like Bill Clinton. African Americans fought for civil rights but are the least to benefit from it, instead white women have benefited the most from LINDeN JOHNSON"S CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION/ Martin Luther was the Architect that penetrated Washington and drafted modern civil rights legislation long before it was enacted.. It was Martin Luther's relationship with Bobby Kennedy and JFK that allowed Civil Rights to become a reality. THe first civil rights legislation was actually written in the nineteen thirty's but that is a whole other story.

Posted By: plbcm @ 01/20/2008 12:57:59 PM

Comment: Hooray for Bill. He is the only one who can minimize the disequity of the media in their abomitable handling of HRC. Our culture does seem to have developed a political correctness when attacking a black, however, it has done just the opposite in its treatment of women. How can you run a race when every disparging remark about a black is labeled racism. Likewise, how can one run a race when the media will not challenge Obama, but will miss no opportunity to portray HRC negatively, Hillary and Bill are struggling to overcome this one-sidedness. Lets hope that everyone gets this worked out by the time the general election rolls around.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 14:31:48

Comment: HRC treated badly by the press??? Why is there so little reporting of the fact that she cast her biggest vote, for the WAR, WITHOUT READING THE 94-page NIE? as a 'certified genius", this should not have taken too long, given the fact how many people died beacuse of it. Where is the press, documentint the pattern of the last 4 states of voter supression, false statments, race baiting by a stream of surrogates and robocalls.... Where is the press in pointing out the "ceiling" (lowered daily!) of Americans, even in her own party by esp. among independents (FLOCKING TO McCain), which makes it almost impossible for her to win in November?

Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/20/2008 12:56:37 PM

Obama can counter this by proposing sweeping middle class tax cuts. Hillary Clinton has not been specific on this issue. If the MIDDLE CLASS FEELS THAT OBAMA can actually imPlement a middle class revolution then race will no longer be a factor and Obama will be able to cross over and take a chunk of the white vote. THis revolution would include dealing with outsourcing, programs for the middle class that show them how to save, invest, plan and avioid debt. Thesel subjects are not taught in school. The middle class has been the victim of corporate indoctrination. Stay StuPid. They do not want you to double your money they want you to double their money. Every middle class family should be able to do compound interest problems in their heads. It can be learned in grade two. It is a very useful skill to have because it gives you a lightning fast benchmark to determine how good (or not so good) a potential investment is likely to be.

The rule A stronger middle class will make the rich richer in the long run and helP uPlift the Poor.

Posted By: plbcm @ 01/20/2008 12:48:20 PM

Comment: The media, Obama supporters, and most bloggers have no restraint attacking HRC or framing most of what she does negatively, while allowing Obama a free ride. The only person with sufficient stature to balance this equation is Bill. How do you run a campaign against a black candidatewhen everytime you disparage him, he or his supporters scream racism, yet the massive negative HRC coverage is seldom challenged.

Obama is always shown or mentioned to the lead in of an article or news report, then if HRC is mentioned it is ivariably framed negatively. We have a whole new ball game and the media is incompetent in handling it.

We have developed such a political correctness about blacks, but none to women. Liberals are so guilt stricken over our past treatment of blacks, they are ga-ga over Obama. Young idealists want a dreamer, and to hell with doer. It is a good thing we have a long time until the election. Perhaps the voters will sort it all out dispite the horrible coverage.

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/20/2008 13:14:38

Comment: Have you considered that the media's treatment of Hillary is based on: 1) The fact that she was a huge favorite expected to walk to the nomination. The front runner is always the focal point of criticism. Ask Mitt Romney about that. But Mitt didn't have the luxury of playing the gender card. 2) The Clintons have treated the press like $hi+ for years, and they are only reaping what they have sown.

Here's another possibility, maybe the media has responded to Obama because of his drive to bring people together as opposed to HRC's polarizing effect. Maybe they regard him as self-made leader and HRC as a political surrogate. Here's my final point: ask yourself more penetrating questions instead of taking the lazy way out and playing the gender card.

Posted By: pjonathan @ 01/20/2008 12:34:45 PM

Comment: Your article missed one episode:

"A Hand the Clintons Aren't Showing" raises some of the questions about Bill Clinton.

It seems that President Clinton is also channeling Senator Joe McCarthy:

Former President Clinton on Monday complained about attacks from Sen. Barack Obama on Sen. Hillary Clinton "I've got before me a list of 80 attacks on Hillary that are quite personal by Sen. Obama and his campaign going back six months that I've had pulled," he said, speaking to CNN contributor Roland Martin on WVON-AM's "The Roland S. Martin Show" based in Chicago, Illinois.

1950: McCarthy launches anti-red crusade

United States Senator Joe McCarthy has accused more than 200 staff in the State Department of being members of the Communist Party.

He made the startling allegation in a public speech in Wheeling, West Virginia, saying the State Department was infested with communists and brandished a sheet of paper which purportedly contained the traitors' names.

Posted By: pjonathan @ 01/20/2008 12:33:55 PM

Comment: I agree with George Will's comment: "Speaking of the boomers' inexhaustible fascination with themselves, Bill Clinton has transformed his wife's campaign into his narcissism tour. As the New York Times dryly described a New Hampshire appearance the day after her Iowa rejection: "He talked about his administration, his foundation work and some about his wife.""

However, it talks only about tactical campaigning. There is something of more concern.

Running to redeem a father and now, a husband, is a story worth writing.

Much has been written about George W running to redeem his father's "failure" to "go to Bagdad".

Some has been written this time around about Senator Dodd running to redeem his father's failure-ethical lapses- and Governor Romney running to redeem his father's failure-his brainwashing comments.

The press has been nibbling around the edges of Hillary running to redeem Bill and herself. That story, however, is the most intriguing of the bunch.

In addition, an article written about all of these "redemption" runs would probably convince us that voters should never vote for a presidential candidate who is related to a president or presidential candidate. I think with just my information it is fair to say that redemption runs lead to poor judgment in the political decisions of a campaign and in presidential decisions, clouding both. An experienced political writer or writers would be able to fully research and present clearly the results of that research.

I think that Hillary Clinton would still be leading if Bill Clinton had been kept in the background. What I am seeing and what I believe the press is starting to report is that Hillary's race is all about Bill redeeming Bill and Bill's legacy and Hillary redeeming Bill, Bill's legacy, and Hillary's legacy. Obama and Edwards have been clearly stating for a long time that their presidential race is about America or about the middle class or about the other America, not about them. Hillary in NH is just starting to say that her race is not about her. But she just said that the race for her is very personal, suggesting policy but in reality much more telling.

Posted By: pjonathan @ 01/20/2008 12:32:44 PM

Comment: Your article missed something:

"A Hand the Clintons Aren't Showing" raises some of the questions about Bill Clinton.

It seems that President Clinton is also channeling Senator Joe McCarthy:

1950: McCarthy launches anti-red crusade

United States Senator Joe McCarthy has accused more than 200 staff in the State Department of being members of the Communist Party.

Posted By: melonhead @ 01/20/2008 12:32:39 PM

Comment: don't use the analogy of George H. W. Bush not agressively attacking his son's opponent in 2000. For one thing, Bush jr. already had the best attack machine ever witnessed in a free election. And the second thing, Bush I already knew that Bush II was totally unqualified to serve as President.

Posted By: pjonathan @ 01/20/2008 12:31:09 PM

However, it talks only about tactical campaigning. There is something of more concern.

Running to redeem a father and now, a husband, is a story worth writing.

Much has been written about George W running to redeem his father's "failure" to "go to Bagdad".

Some has been written this time around about Senator Dodd running to redeem his father's failure-ethical lapses- and Governor Romney running to redeem his father's failure-his brainwashing comments.

The press has been nibbling around the edges of Hillary running to redeem Bill and herself. That story, however, is the most intriguing of the bunch.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 15:27:47

Comment: It becomes very clear that it is about Bill - even HRC's win or lose will be about Bill - he/they are willing to go to any length, at any cost to hang on to the power, while playing victims?! Look at the damage they are causing to the party and the causes the party supports: the pro-choice movement in NH is ripped apart by the maneuver to falsify Se. O's record. Emily's list is used and an arm of her campaign, using it's limited resources in a race where the "opponent" is on the same side of the issue! They are willing to exploit any racial undercurrent (black-white, Latino-black) as well as any other divide (old-young, male-female)... ANYTHING for their personal agenda, no matter the cost to the party.... The indepent voters (as well as an increasingly large number of life-long dems) are seeing this, and will stay home or flock to Mccain. I never thought I'd find myself in this position as a life-long dem, but there is NO WAY I will ever cast a vote for a Clinton again. Rove smiles.....

Posted By: s. collins @ 01/20/2008 12:26:53 PM

Comment: He's been not just unsavory, but crazed. I was once a huge fan -- bought his $50 "My Life" the day it came out, read the 900 pages in 3 days. But his disgusting bull-dog behavior has caused me to 1) drop "My Life" off at a thrift store; 2) vote for anyone but HRC; 3) feel demoralized as a decent citizen. I wish someone could stop him. Hopefully Kennedy and/or Gore will publicly acknowledge the shame we all feel.

Posted By: s. collins @ 01/20/2008 12:23:05 PM

Comment: He's turned out to become not just unsavory, but crazed. I was once a huge fan -- bought his $50 "My Life" the weekend it came out, read all 900 pages in 3 days. He was a great inspiration to me. He's now caused me to 1) donate "My Life" to a thrift store; 2) vote for anyone but HRC; and 3) feel demoralized as an American. I wish there was a way to stop him. Hopefully Kennedy and Gore will publicly acknowledge the shame we all feel.

Posted By: Mary @ 01/20/2008 12:22:30 PM

Comment: The "TWO for ONE" Presidency of Hillary scares me! A Hillary Clinton's White House would make the Bush Administration's seem almost acceptable!

Posted By: djonesss @ 01/20/2008 12:17:50 PM

Comment: Oh. Oh. The Clinton crybaby's heads are going to explode when they realize that voters *still* like Bill.

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 12:00:53 PM

Comment: im with beat panda...... i ardently support ABC, anyone but clinton, go Carthage. you speak truth to power

hey yeh, ho-ho, dYNASTY has got to go..... Billary put the CROwn doWN!

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 11:55:24 AM

Comment: says a member of the Clintons' circle, who asked for anonymity, "It's worth it to tarnish himself a bit now to win the presidency." says it all.....

Posted By: ajon1600 @ 01/20/2008 11:29:55 AM

Comment: Peggy Noonan just said on Meet The Press "Who's Campaign Is It anyway?"... I totally agree and I am very glad she put that statement out there... This is getting a bit silly folks.. If Hillary can't stand on her own in these debates, why in the hell are we even considering her for the office of President of these great United States. Bill needs to go home and let Hillary be accountable for her campaign... I don't see Gov Huckabee's wife out there say bad things about Mrs. Romney, or John McCain's wife out there dissing the other candidates... Who the hell is Bill to force his negative comments on us.. Let the candidates for the job win or lose our votes...

If Hillary can't send Billy Boy home, maybe she should go home and reconsider if she want to just stay home and bake cookies...

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 11:34:03

Comment: Great comment! If HRC can't control him now, what makes us think she can control him later? HRC should indeed be accountable - as Bill cannot and should not be on the ballot. Where are the "party elders", pointing out that this is unaccpetable.

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/20/2008 13:01:12

Comment: Carthage, I agree with you wholeheartedly. But the party elders are in a tough predicament. They know Bill is out of line, but they resist chastising him publicly because they don't want to acknowledge how splintered the party is becoming. You can be sure that he is getting an earful from the leaders of the party. Bill is way too thirsty for the throne to be discouraged by anyone, even the respected leaders of the Democratic party. It's a shame, and it is part of the reason why I am 100 times more open to a candidate such as John McCain than I was a month ago. I'm tired of the BS...

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 00:40:03

Comment: Just look how strong this pro-mcCain snetiment becomes, among independents as well as life-long dems like us that are totally taken aback (understatement) by the Clinton antics. Obama is our best chance in a long time to appeal to the broader public, and to bring many new people into the public process - Obama was right; for many years, we have left the "ideas" / agenda/ initiative/organisation/ "narrative" to the republicans. There comes a point where the risks of loosing too many are greater than the risk of publicly admitting a rift. I think it's safe to say that any one who's following this is already aware of that. Although, not one rift; the Clintons bring will exploit them all: white/black , latino/black, gender, ... You name it, they'll use it. If the poll fits...

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 15:40:44

Comment: If it is true that no one in the party can discourage Bill directly, it seems that the only way to sop him is to endorse Obama, like Leahy did (and referring to the shameless suit), and Kerry did (refusing to support a candidate seeking to perfect swiftboating). But we can try, beginning with:- stop sending her $, convince others not to vote for her, pressure your senator and congressman to endorse Obama, protest every single low act as loud as possible... Show the Clintons WE do deserve better!

Posted By: 1st Republic 14th Star @ 01/20/2008 11:29:29 AM

Comment: Clinton-Obama is an obvious winning ticket, but not if the media keeps driving wedges between them, and their supporters turn on each other. Either one could be President, but not if the media gins up faux controversies and the candidates don't knock them down.

Posted By: 1st Republic 14th Star @ 01/20/2008 11:25:21 AM

Comment: Maybe Alter should quit repeating the talking points provided by Obama's staffers. Maybe Obama and the rest of his supporters AND the mainstream media should quit attacking Hillary Clinton. There's a definite double standard in play here -- ANY criticism of the Clintons, no matter how spurious or speculative, is accepted as truth. ANY criticism of Obama, no matter how valid, is presumed to be evidence of racism. Clinton-Obama

Posted By: Miss Bobbie @ 01/20/2008 22:20:39

Comment: En

I agree.The whole thing is one sided.Even when Hillary is right on something,they change her words to suit themselves.I blame the media

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 11:39:40

Comment: Have you taken a look at the facts lately? Student supression in Iowa, false choice-record flyers in NH, suit to stop people from voting in NV, racial robocalls, racial attacks by Shahee, Cuoma, Kerrey, Johnson, etc etc... Which campaign was this? Should the press just stop reporting this? Twisting the anti-war record? Where is the press pointing out that HRC's experience in the snate, on her most imposrtant pro-war vote, was done "with conviction" but WITHOUT READING THE 94-page NIE - knwing no one on her staff had the clearance to do so?! And refusing to admit any mistake? Do these traits remind you of someone? Someone's campaign (hint: what happened to Cleland and McCain) And you think the press is going light on the Clintons?!?!

Posted By: Rome0608 @ 01/20/2008 11:21:23 AM

Comment: In no way shape or form Bill should be silenced or hidden. This was Gore's mistake in 2000. americans in General don't care about what happened with Bill's private life. As a reminder when Bill left office he enjoyed a 60% favorable approval rate. The media always want to hide Bill and Hill shoud not do it. Why hide the most favorable president inour nation's history? Why hide his economic accomplishments and the peace we all enjoyed during his presidency? Why shut him up when he has so much to say?

No way Hill!. Don't hide Bill. We want to hear more of him NOW.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 11:29:50

Comment: Hill is no Bill, and Bill should not be running for a 3rd term. 'Pathetic' is not a word that used to come to mind when thinking about him, but now he is showing he will do ANYTHING to win, no matter the cost to the party or country. Rove smiles....

Posted By: beatpanda @ 01/20/2008 10:44:34 AM

Comment: Attn: all Democrats

I am not a Democrat. I am an independent with no interest in party loyalty whatsoever. I have been drawn into your nominating contest because of Barack Obama. If you idiots nominate Hillary Clinton, you will squander the opportunity you have with me and thousands of others like me who came over to your side this year.

I, for one, will work hard to deliver McCain the Presidency if Clinton is nominated on the other side. Honestly, though, I don't think it's even necessary. He'll win by default.

Posted By: rgrace @ 01/20/2008 11:59:13

Comment: This is a really important comment. I have been volunteering for Obama and you hear this from independents all the time. McCain will be able to beat Clinton. Or Bloomberg will get in if it's a partisan contest like Clinton/Huckabee. In that case - despite never having not voted for the democratic candidate - I will vote for Bloomberg. I'm so done with Bush/Clinton. And I am very done with Bill!

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 00:34:35

Comment: I totally agree! And the number of independents HRC needs to attrackt are growing with every dem. she loses over they way they are willing to do anything, at any cost, for their own personal goals - forget the party!

Posted By: GeeMan @ 01/20/2008 10:37:06 AM

Comment: my sentiments exactly. Having now divided Democrats along race and gender to win the nomination, Bill and Hillary are now driving the party train to another crash in November. Hillary will have to pit her 35-year (spousal) experience against McCain's 25-year stint in Congress - in a battle of the old-timers in US politics. They are now openly alienating Blacks by pitting them againt the Latinos in the West (if in doubt please, follow Bill's campaign stump speeches in Nevada) and women against men.

Sure, the gambit will win Hillary the nomination - but come crashing against the Republican machine. - even folks in Afghanistan know that a Clinton running for President is a gift for the Republican machine. Democrats are again on the cusp of snatching Presidential defeat from the jaws of victory - because the Clintons, like the Bushes, will do anything necessary to satiate their entitlement to taking turns in ruling this country.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 10:48:47

Comment: Where are the "party elders"? Whos is willing to stand up and stop this? Feingold should speak up, Kennedy, even Carter, and especially Gore - the Clintons are obvioulsy willing to go for the "scorched earth" campaign, leaving many deep wounds in their wake that are more than "ruffled feathers" we just have to "get over" (see the clinton campaign statements in the wake of the NH attacks on Obama's choice record. They are very telling!)

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 10:27:58 AM

Comment: Bill is a disgrace... AS a lifelong dem., I NEVER thought I'd find myself in the position where I would actually sit out an election - and an important one - if HRC is the dem candidate. Hope the party elders take note: if they let this POWER-HUNGRY couple slash around and do anything for a win, the party will suffer in november. I started out neutral on HRC; after the past 7 years, anything could only be much better. the worry is that she's "fatal" (McCaskill for the down-ticket, and this will weaken the dems in congress. the only party HRC unites is the GOP, and they will be "fired up and ready to go", Given the definite ceiling in the dem party, her very limited appeal to independents and virtual NO crossover from the GOP, she might lose this, esp. to McCain. Alternatively, even if she were to eke out a 50.01% win, and with a wek congress, the country, and the party!! will be more divided then ever. We do deserve better! But all this chenged the last few weeks: from trying to stop students from voting in Iowa, to the suit in Nevada, the false flyers on O's choice record (look what they are willing to do to win - the rift in the pro-choice movement is deep. Emily's list is being used as an arm of the campaign instead of saving it's resources for races where the opponent actually disagrees with their agenda!!!).. Bill's pathetic flayling, and the vicious use of surrogates and robocalls is appalling. I really will never, ever do anything to help this power-hungry gang back in the WH - have we forgotten the % of time and resources we spent of parsing "is", defining sex, Lincoln bedroom and desk stories, travelgate, PERJURY, disbarment, Fostergate, pardons, Whitewater... And these are just the first ones coming to mind. Where are the "party elders" where is Gore, where is Dean, where is Feingold, where is Mitchell, whereis Kennedy? Who is willing to stand up to these two, and point out PUBLICLY what they are doing to the party called the "democratic" party?! Rove smiles.....

Posted By: annevilla @ 01/20/2008 8:56:32 AM

Comment: FROM 'HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT WEBSITE' - PRESS RELEASE 12/12/07

"...She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We???re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks..."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

GO OBAMA!

YES WE CAN

Anne

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 10:53:21

Comment: Hillary loves Reagan! Why do the Clintons attack it as a a problem when Obama points out that Reagan broad a "wave" of change to the country, unlike Bill's triangulation steps sideways.... The simplification by the mass media of what went on the past few weeks is apalling, but not so surprising, considering the ties with Hillary, Inc. (see an incredible article in The Nation by that title in July or so - it's online) and corporate America.

Posted By: rgrace @ 01/20/2008 09:46:55

Comment: I think it's really important for democrats to think about the race in terms of yesterday's results and what that might mean. I think that if we run Clinton against McCain, we may yet again lose the White House. As excited as I would be to see a smart woman win the Presidency, I just think she is a democrat???s democrat. And McCain is anything but a republican???s republican. So what happens? Republicans support McCain because they hate the Clintons. Independents support McCain because they tend to like him and dislike her. And once again, we lose. Obama is competitive with independents. He has many other qualities that make him a great choice. But if you are an undecided dem, or a Kucinich or Edwards dem, please give this some thought. Please ??? we so need a democrat after the Bush years. I think it would just break our hearts to lose this one.

Posted By: HarpoMarxist @ 01/20/2008 8:53:26 AM

Comment: "...any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction."

-- Hillary Clinton, October 10th, 2002

"That???s what I???m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."

-- Barack Obama, October 2, 2002

Some fairytale.

Some

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 10:56:00

Comment: HRC cast it "with conviction" - unfortunately WITHOUT READING THE 94-page NIE, either, while knowing that NO ONE on her staff had the celarance to do so. Baseless conviction, now where have we seen this over the past few years? In Putin's eyes???? HRC's claim of experience is ridiculous in the light of this most important vote. The fact that she refuses to admit to a mistake - another chilling resemblance!

Posted By: rgrace @ 01/20/2008 09:47:27

Posted By: getzel @ 01/20/2008 8:35:46 AM

Comment: So much for freedom of speech

Posted By: thetruthhurts @ 01/20/2008 8:01:33 AM

Comment: All these women claim Bill Clinton raped and sexually assaulted them and Bill paid at least one nearly a million dollars to go away. Meanwhile Old Bill is getting a 19 year old intern to suck his dick. Nice guy Bill. Typical libturd.

Posted By: arisoplat @ 01/20/2008 7:20:01 AM

Comment: It is disgustingly hypocritical for the media and the so-called christian coalition, who in the real sense of true christianity, are not practising the teachings of Christ, to always lament about life and person of Bill Clinton. Any one that loves the truth would know that Bill Clinton, inspite of his frailties, never lied about the affairs of state, which resulted in the death of thousands of citizens he swore to protect as the president. Yet, he was impeached by an over-zealous republican congress. President Bush, took us to war, lied about just everything concerning weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and as a consequence of his actions, more than 4000 of our citizens have perished. Add the more than 3000 that perished on 9/11/2001, and the katrina natural disaster, his presidency would without a doubt been very perilous for the country. The country enjoyed full employment, a balanced budget, a surplus, a favorable balance of trade, and wall street boomed eight years ago under the presidency of Bill Clinton. President Bush and his the republican congress have given us nothing but inflation, high unemployment, financial debacle, trillions of national debt , and human death and misery. I cannot imagine on what grounds any republican running for office will stand on to ask us to vote republican come this november. the republican party and the president have made us more vulnerable, less secure, weakened our economy, and made our country an object of hatred

by the world community. how much more damage are we willing to allow them to do, if we entrust our country to them again another four years Enough is enough. We should elect a democratic president, and a woman for that matter. Even the moslem country, pakistan, that clearly down trod upon their women have been able to elect a female prime minister, hindu india has too, israel, and no less great britain. yet, we claim to be the bastion of democracy, and cannot even bring ourselves to elect a woman president, because our prejudices are so deep that we are unable to overcome them. Men have ruled this country for more than 200 years. While Obama is a viable candidate, he is just another man, regardless of his skin color. The real change in this election is the election of a woman president.

Posted By: NJ_Dave @ 01/21/2008 13:44:32

Comment: Blaming George W. Bush for 9/11 is kookdom. The attackers on 9/11 killed people, not GWB. Now you're going to be like Hillary holding up a paper on the floor of the Senate and saying "Bush knew." Total demogogue. That's like blaming Bill Clinton for the Olympic Park bombing, it was the whacko that did it not a president.

Posted By: mageduley @ 01/20/2008 11:38:16

Comment: Who really folows the teachings of Christ?

Watch the Obama video as he gives a speech on religion and politics. This speech was given before he decided to run for president. Who can bring the country together? Take a look.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid463869411/bctid416343938

Posted By: carnabylane @ 01/20/2008 7:10:59 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton screwed the American people when he chose womanizing over his leadership role. Hillary has been complicate in that along with every other sleazy move , Whitewater etc...,he's made. I don't want THEM running my country. They are both arrogant jerks who have an undeserved sense of entitlement. As an Independent woman there is no way I will vote for the Dynamic Duo...I'll go Republican, something I have never done.

Posted By: cowboykev @ 01/20/2008 6:56:46 AM

Comment: A voter in Nevada was quoted as saying that Obama needed to step back and gain more experience like Hillary had. The only experience Hillary has is that of cover up and sweeping things under the rug. what has she really done politically?

Posted By: billintex @ 01/20/2008 6:40:23 AM

Comment: As I see it, the level of discussion between Hillary and Obama went south during the third debate when both Obama and Edwards began attacking Hillary personally. Up until then the debates were kept to a discussion of the issues. I don't blame her (or Bill) for saying "If this is the way you want to play, then get ready for what is coming." Obama has no right to claim he has kept the discussion on issues only.

Posted By: bicbob @ 01/20/2008 6:21:04 AM

Comment: What I see happening if the Clinton's win (And it is the Clintons... a dual presidency) is it will polarize the rights and the near-rights to vote Republican, not FOR the right's candidate, but against HRC. I myself, an independent pushed to the left by Bush and Co, disparately want to vote Democrat, but I get a queasy feeling at keeping the bush/clinton 20 year roll going,

Posted By: PatriotForObama @ 01/20/2008 5:40:35 AM

Comment: It becomes more and more obvous, it is Bill Clinton that is running for President and Hillary the Vice President. Hmmm. What happens if he has another heart attack? Omigod!

Posted By: DUSTI @ 01/20/2008 5:34:27 AM

Comment: I WISH PEOPLE WOULD GET A LIFE . SENATOR CLINTON IS THE BEST FOR THE WHITE HOUSE . WE WILL NEED SOMEONE LIKE HER NOT ONLY TO DEAL WITH OUR INTERNAL PROBLUMES BUT , ALSO OUR PROBLEUMS ABROAD . IF SHE AND THEIR DAUGHTER HAVE MOVED ON FROM THE MONICA ISSUE , WHO TJHE HELL ARE WE TO KEEP ON HARPING ON IT ? ON OF THE MAIN PROBLUNS THE WORLD IS THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN THE PAST AND ACT EXTREAMLY "HOLY IER THAN THOU " GOOD GOD GO ON AND GET A LIFE .

WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE ADVISE OBAMA TO RUN FOR THE POSITION OF THE POPE ? I MEAN YOU ALL OH SO INTELLIGENT PEOPLE CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE AND KNOW OBAMA WILL ALWAYS BE A SAINT RIGHT ?

Posted By: rudymac63 @ 01/20/2008 17:28:05

Comment: How is Hillary Clinton "The best for the White House"? Because she's been a senator for eight years? Being one of one hundred isn't exactly leadership. By having lived in the White House with her husband, who had been President? Is that her awesome experience? Being married to the President? If that is your logic, then by your own admission, if there were an electrical problem in your house, you would hire the wife of an electrician, because she is married to an electrician. How on God's green earth did you come up with the logic that Hillary is "the best for the White House"? She's never been in a position of true authority, and her best qualification is her last name. Do you really think that she's been a "Yankee fan all my life," as she said when pandering for votes to the gullable New Yorkers? Has she ever led a company? A state? A city? A school PTA meeting? Anything? Simple answer: No. Dusti, I respect your opinion, and honor your stance on it, but I think you've missed not only the boat, but the entire ocean on this one. And also, please note that none of the Clinton private life ever came into this post. I don't care what Bill did or didn't do, this has nothing to do with him. He isn't running for President of the United States. She is. He isn't the true issue... She is. And she is certainly NOT qualified. Simple.

Posted By: rgrace @ 01/20/2008 10:36:15

Comment: She would be good - but not the best. And won't win against a candidate with broad appeal like McCain. I would not insult your choice as you are insulting Obama supporters but I do think you are hurting the democrats with this view. I'll support Hillary if she wins the nomination - but I'm afraid it won't matter and we'll lose. Obama is the smart choice. The fact that even neutral democrats are worried about the damage Bill Clinton is doing to democrats is very telling.

Posted By: Don'tStealMyDream @ 01/20/2008 4:17:21 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton is "OVERSHADOWING" his wife. This was displayed when he attempted to defend Sen. Clinton comments about former President LBJ, on Black radio. I felt the anger from him, across the airways, and as a Black voter, the vibe I received from former President Clinton, was "I stood by you N....., and now you're turning your backs on us.....so what if Barack Obama is Black? ???You owe me???. For us, kill your dreams. Who is running for President, Bill or Hillary? Hillary has to show America that she could fight her own battles, and defend her position. If she does not show the world that she could keep her husband mouth shut, it is going to ultimately hurt her bid for the Presidency. Former President Bill Clinton is angry because he realizes that Barack Obama will beat Hillary, when those two square off. When you are fearful, you attack what poise a threat. Former President Clinton is angry and thinking out loud, ???I will be daman if I let a Black Man beat Hillary! We are superior to the Black race..Barack Obama (A Black Man) cannot lead me. No way in Hell. This is the vibe I am getting from the Clinton Campaign. It hurts that he thinks African-Americans cannot lead effectively, it hurts because if Hillary Campaign Manager decides to run for President against her one day, they will crucify her, it hurts because they just simply say, African-Americans are not worthy of such a high office. That is why African-Americans need Barack Obama to stop the hurt. We get it from both ends; Republicans and Democrats with a Superiority attitude.

Posted By: Don'tStealMyDream @ 01/20/2008 3:39:47 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton is "OVERSHADOWING" his wife. This was displayed when he attempted to defend Sen. Clinton???s comments about former President LBJ, on Black radio. I felt the anger from him, across the airways, and as a Black voter, the vibe I received from former President Clinton, was "I stood by you N....., and now you're turning your backs on us.....so what if Barack Obama is Black, you owe me". For us, kill your dreams. Who???s running for President, ???Bill??? or ???Hillary???? Hillary has to show America that she could fight her own battles, and defend her position. If she doesn???t show the world that she could keep her husband mouth shut, it???s going to ultimately hurt her bid for the Presidency. Former President Bill Clinton is angry because he realizes that Barack Obama will beat Hillary, when those two square off. When you are fearful, you attack what poise a threat. He???s angry and thinking out loud, ???I???ll be daman if I let a Black Man beat Hillary???. ???We are superior to the Black race???..Barack Obama (A Black Man) can???t lead me. ???No way in Hell???. This is the vibe I???m getting from the Clinton Campaign. It hurts that they thinks African-Americans can???t lead effectively, it hurts because if Hillary Campaign Manager decide to run for President against her, they will crucify her, it hurts because they just simply say, ???African-Americans are not worthy of such a high office???.

That???s why African-Americans need Barack Obama to stop the hurt, because we get it from both ends; Republicans and Democrats with a Superiority spirit.

Posted By: LittleSam @ 01/20/2008 15:12:20

Comment: Thank you for saying this. I am not a black woman yet that is exactly the impression I got from Bill as well. I was ashamed of him. Now, not only am I ashamed of our current President and am now ashamed of a former President.

Go Obama.

Posted By: herman100 @ 01/20/2008 2:28:31 AM

Comment: Bill is a disgrace and how will Hillary ever "control" him. He's as bad as the Bush Team in his dirty tricks

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 1:31:57 AM

Comment: Actually, I live in a red state (although TX will be blue within a couple of decades) but I have read polls on pollsterdotcm and mydd and Hillary does beat the GOP in purple Ohio. I am not concerned about Bush apologists like McCain or Romney in 2008.

Posted By: jasisrad @ 01/20/2008 1:18:09 AM

Comment: Oh yes, this is a great stand by a female American leader! She lets her husband do the dirty work because he is much more popular than she is, and is essentially riding HIS coattails in these primaries. And before that, she pulled the political equivalent of the stereotypical girl crying her way out of a speeding ticket when Obama was leading going into New Hampshire. How weird, I would think that the feminists would disapprove of the "damsel in distress" getting bailed out by the husband who flaunted affairs while in the white house. So yes, fight on Bill! And Hillary, let your husband win this campaign for you because you are too weak to do it on your own. Pathetic.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/20/2008 1:05:53 AM

Comment: What's amazing about so many of the pro-Clinton posters is how your partisan hackery is completely indifferent to the truth. Try saying what you actually think for a change. Most people call that "being honest." Clinton crushing people in purple states? WTF? 1. Actually visit a 'purple state'. 2. Stop the pot. Or at least take a hint from the Partisan in Chief and don't inhale. 3. Quit making a pact with the devil to win elections. 4. Call mother. --- A to do list.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 01:31:17

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/20/2008 01:53:08

Comment: I'll admit she has a prayer....right now with no noise from the "vast right wing conspiracy." To have a chance we'll need every single swing county in Ohio to go our way. Here's the problem: once it's clear she's the nominee the right wing machine will get in gear and pull out the 18 anti-Clinton playbooks it's been writing and re-writing since 1991. They'll spend every day till November doing to Hillary what she did to Barack. The Clintons will triangulate and keep shifting to the right. We'll hear her bragging about being tough on security, and how she was willing to make the tough choices when it came to Iraq and Iran. And we Democrats will ask ourselves why we have a candidate that cedes the entire field in political debate rather than changing the game. But deep down too many Democrats are afraid of Republicans, afraid to be different from Republicans, because deep down we don't believe that we're better than Republicans. Because deep down we don't believe anything anymore. It's enough to make anyone with a little courage of their own convictions puke.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/20/2008 1:04:38 AM

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/20/2008 1:00:37 AM

Comment: Bettie, the only people who blindly defend the Clinton's dysfuntional marriage are misguided "fans" who can't accept the fact that their beloved couple have a marriage of convenience. The republicans seized the opportunity to push the family values issue down our throats and won 2 elections because of it, 2 George W. elections! I place much of the blame for this on the soap opera that was Bill Clinton's second term.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 01:18:28

Comment: I don't care but their personal life, I don' t defend it but like the vast majority of Americans, I really just dont care. I think you Clinton haters are just out of touch with most Americans on the issue of the Clinton marriage... the Clintons already know this.

Posted By: TStew @ 01/20/2008 13:06:11

Comment: You are wrong. If Clinton should be the nominee, the Republicans will make us relive Lewinsky, et al., over and over. And it will work on independents and and those dem's who've had their Clintonian rose-colored glasses smashed to smithereens.

Posted By: kikubot @ 01/20/2008 12:59:05 AM

Comment: Hillary and Obama are not the same on the war votes, that's just Hillary's talking point. They are the same on the funding votes, no one is going to play chicken with Bush over the troops lives. They are very different in other votes. She's been comfortable with using the military since the White House where she the administration used her to give Bill some backbone. Hillary voted for Iraq and Iran. There have been times that she's beat the war drums harder than Bush. She voted against tying the Iraqi funds to governmental progress, which passed the Senate by 80-14, and the House, to be vetoed by Bush. I've read in comments that she has talked about using nuclear weapons.

For links to articles on my points, go to

http://kikustuff.blogspot.com/2008/01/hillarys-military-votes.html

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 01:11:47

Comment: Maybe we were watching different debates, they sounded like they had the exact same position to me in the Nevada debate.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 12:58:35 AM

Comment: and by the way, no one cares what the unprofessional, lying, dishonest media thinks. Americans will turn against the biased media and side with the Clintons as usual, the haters always go overboard and it comes through on TV, the media is so obvious. They pretend to be neutral while spinning against Clinton... Russert actually looked unhinged tonight.

Posted By: kikubot @ 01/20/2008 12:51:44 AM

Comment: I don't think Obama would take a VP spot. He has to pass good legislation, not live in someone's shadows.

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/20/2008 12:39:49 AM

Comment: Winslowgirl, Bill Clinton crossed the line between defending his wife and slandering Obama weeks ago. Answer me this: who will defend Hillary from him?? I'm not referring to his well-chronicled infidelities. I'm talking about his massive ego and thirst for power. As much as the Clinton camp wants to portray him as a valuable advisor to HRC, it is clear that he does not know his role. He wants to win, not for the good of the country, not even for his "beloved" wife, but for himself. He's a classic narcissist who has found a loophole in the presidential term limitations. If the liberal media has turned on them, what do you think will happen with congress? It is clear that the Clintons have too much baggage to effectively govern.

Posted By: mageduley @ 01/20/2008 11:42:50

Comment: This is interesting. If Hill becomes president, will bill stand outside congress and strongarm them into voting for HRC's policies. He did it at the nevada caucuses. Why not congress as well?

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 00:48:55

Comment: The only people still obssessed with the Clinton's personal life is the media and hypocritical republicans, no one else really cares so get over it. McCain also cheated on his wife so I hope they don't even think about playing that card. Hillary will crush McCain in the purple states like Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and Florida ...I am confident of that.

Posted By: jovie131 @ 01/20/2008 12:36:15 AM

Comment: Kennedy is not intimadated by Clinton machine. His friend Leahy probably thought about this and that is why he endorsed Sen. Obama recently. If Clinton ignores him and keeps doing what he is doing I think there will be no choice but to offer Obama the vp spot. I think that is what is happening now.

Posted By: jovie131 @ 01/20/2008 12:32:50 AM

Comment: Kennedy, lie him or ot, has always been a civil riht guru. As was his brothers. He has spent enough time in Senate to not worry about retaliation. I think his friend Leah felt the same way when he endorsed Obama a couple days ago.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 12:16:16 AM

Comment: Congrats Hillary!!

Posted By: marcel @ 01/20/2008 12:58:01

Comment: Congrats for what???? She didn't win s***. Obama won more delegates and he's up in state delegates by two. Damn, we need to study mathematics more in this country. This is why China is taking us to task right now.

Posted By: winslowgirl @ 01/20/2008 12:14:47 AM

Comment: Bill Clinton supporting and defending his wife? A former president defending his legacy against the attacks of Obama? A husband concerned about the narratives of a hostile press? How terrible of him. How could he?

How about less sour grapes from a biased press? After Hillary won Nevada, MSNBC Chris Matthews looked like someone shot his dog. This is all so much bull. Do you really think people, worried about the ailing economy and the insufficiencies of their healthcare, give a toss about what Bill might do in the white House?

Only well-healed journalists and Clinton-haters (often the same cohort) can afford the luxury of worrying about something this insubstantial.

Posted By: jathayde @ 01/20/2008 12:08:05 AM

Comment: Until this campaign I had always been a big supporter of Bill Clinton. But his behavior in these past few weeks has made me finally see why so many of my Republican friends can't stand him. I have found his remarks about Senator Obama and about the Nevada caucus rules to be childish, rude, whiny and totally inappropriate. I have gone from thinking it would be a plus for Hillary Clinton to be in the White House because Billwould be there, to thinking it would be the worst thing in the world. I am now definitely supporting Senator Obama.

Posted By: jbentley4 @ 01/20/2008 12:01:30 AM

Comment: As a Democrat who supported the Clintons throughout Bill Clinton's Administration, I find it very unbecoming, even embarassing and revolting, that he is abusing his status to trash one of the brightest and most talented stars in the Democractic Party, Barack Obama. What is especially sad is that he continues to lie and misrepresent Obama's record and positions. If Bill wants to champion and support his wife's agenda and record, that's fine. But for him to abuse his bully bullpit to attack a fellow Democrat , who has been more than gentlemanly, and who has refrained from dredging up all of the Clintons' baggage, is beyond the pale. I think people should notice that Barack Obama has not brought up any of the Clinton scandals or used any of Bill's or Hillary's past against them. For Bill to twist Obama's word about Reagan or Iraq, is therefore unconscionable. Afterall, both Bill and Hillary have praised Reagan far more than Obama ever has, and if Hillary is such as great manager and one who can implement policy, than why is her healthcare reforms during Bill's Administration, held up in university classrooms across America as a perfect example of how not to get something done?!

Posted By: Dalene @ 01/20/2008 12:00:21 AM

Comment: Bill and Hillary have succeeded in dividing and degrading their own party. Imagine what they'll do to a whole country!

Posted By: jbentley4 @ 01/19/2008 11:59:07 PM

Posted By: ctdem @ 01/19/2008 11:32:43 PM

Comment: It is disheartening, as a lifelong democrat, to contemplate the possibility of not being able to support the party's nominee. As a professional middle-aged woman, I have been disappointed in the policies of the previous Clinton administrations and in some of the personal choices which Ms. Clinton made. I believe that her "experience" consists of making politically expedient choices and that she, fundamentally, acts in her own self interest. I do not buy the crying, the indignation, or any of the "emotions" that either the former president or his wife demonstrate. It's show biz for them at this point. For me, it's about having a president I can trust to put the country first. I know Hillary's not that person. I think Obama is. I think McCain is. So, if Hillary is the nominee, I'll be voting for a Republican in the General for the first time in my voting life. But I'll be doing what I think is right.

Posted By: aprilmoon @ 01/22/2008 11:52:17

Comment: agreed 100%, ctdem! I'm a life-long female democrat who's considering changing to independent because of the Clintons (and I mean life-long--my parents went to JFK's inauguration and my father shook hands, spoke with him). IF (please note the big "if") Hillary had divorced Bill, it would be a different story for me. She didn't, says tons about her. Obama, Edwards, even other dems are better suited for Pres.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 00:27:49

Comment: Well put - I agree, and I do morn the Supreme Court. One more nominee like the last few ones, and it will be like in the old soviet Union, where the outcome is really known the day a case is filed. HRC on the ticket will unite the GOP in droves, and will be fatal for any dem on the ticket (see statement of Sen,. mcCaskiill). A weaker house and senate will not be able to get anything done, but the GOP will be "Fired up and ready to go" - that's what "ready to lead on day one" brings... What about day 2, week 5, year 2, et cetc... And we think the country is divided now............................

Posted By: Hugs4u @ 01/19/2008 11:11:46 PM

Comment: Clintons want to regain control of the white house. they had a very profitable buisness of renting out the Lincoln Bedroom.

Posted By: Hugs4u @ 01/19/2008 11:10:52 PM

Comment: Clintons want back into the white house. they had a very profitable business renting out the Lincoln bedroom.

Posted By: aroseinthecountry @ 01/19/2008 10:59:38 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has made this campaign so ugly, if Hillary is nominated I will vote Republican and switch to Independent.

Posted By: aroseinthecountry @ 01/19/2008 10:58:24 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton has made this campaign so ugly, if Hillary is nominated I will vote Republican, and change my party affiliation to Independent.

Posted By: ruthbethinger @ 01/19/2008 10:56:31 PM

Comment: I am saddened at the shamelessness of Bill Clinton in this campaign. I used to have great respect for him, but now I understand what Geffen was saying last year - that the Clintons have an amazing ability to lie with ease. I guess Geffen was right.

Posted By: donjuan78 @ 01/19/2008 10:55:31 PM

Comment: All you Obama lovers and Clinton haters need to go back into the closet!

The 90s were the best times ever! Gas was cheap, I had a lot of money in my pocket, and Bill was in the white house!

GO CLINTON!!

Posted By: progressive1 @ 01/25/2008 23:23:54

Comment: I loved Bill as President as well- But Hillary is running this time- I know sometimes it doesn't seem that way----Obama 08!

Posted By: donjuan78 @ 01/19/2008 10:53:40 PM

Comment: I love bill! he can keep talking cuz everything he says is right anyways....

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 12:12:42

Comment: you support bill? anything to do with calling yourself donJuan?

Posted By: jnh1 @ 01/19/2008 10:45:31 PM

Comment: I voted for the guy twice and regret it. Putting the Clintons back in the White House is not the answer. If you want health care reform, no Republicans will cross over and support it, and many Democrats in more conservatives Districts / States won't either. If it's all about winning elections, than by all means, follow the Bush-Rove plan and vote for Clinton. If you want to have a governing coalition that actually have the ability to address real issues, Obama is a better choice, We learned that up close and personal in NH.

Posted By: lisalewis1017 @ 01/19/2008 10:40:06 PM

Comment: Most Americans with amnesia or a selective memory. I seem to remember all sorts of women accusing Bill Clinton of rape, sexual harassment , assorted affairs and the biggest mess of all Monica Lewinsky. I don't know how anyone can believe anything that comes out of either of their mouths. He lied for months until the blue dress surfaced. This pervert has the audacity to suggest electing Obama to the White House would be a roll of the dice. What would it be to have him there again chasing interns around JFK's desk when Hillary 's out of town. And Hillary is no role model for women. What kind of woman remains married to a serial adulterer who publicly humiliates and disrespects her with every adlterous revelation. She not only defends him but attacks the women making the accusations. Hey Hillary all of those women are not liars. Ever heard where there's smoke there's fire. She stayed with him for the power and the status. Ladies tell your daughters THAT! What a great role model...no matter how poorly your husband treats you for get your own self-respect if there is something to be gained i.e. your own political ambitions. If Hillary were really a feminist she would have dumped that loser the 2nd time he cheated and built her own life and career on her own merits but she chose to stay and ride his s***n-stained coattails to the White House and beyond. Who needs self-respect when the presidency is beckoning.

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/19/2008 10:31:09 PM

Comment: ???The throne belongs to us???- The Clintons walked into Iowa, like Napoleon entering Waterloo, claiming what is "rightfully" theirs, but that air of entitlement was dispelled immediately. Since then, they have taken off the gloves, as professional politicians are known to do, and what has ensued is a classic example of the corruptive influence of power. Even in a democracy, those with power will do anything to maintain and regain it. As Bill Clinton's role increases, the viability of Hillary will come into question. I don't begrudge them for leveraging Bill's popularity (The success of the Clinton brand was built on his career), but I think there is something to be said about going to the well too often. If they want to typecast Obama as an orator, then they have to be ready to hear Hillary characterized as a political surrogate. If you have to bring out the "big guns" for what was supposed to be a series of coronations, what does that bode for the general election? America needs to enter a period of sustained, bipartisan cooperation, but the Clintons are failing to unite their OWN party. They are NOT the answer to what ails our country.

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 12:16:35

Comment: ABC ABC!!! anyone but clinton...... billary put that crown DOWn!

Posted By: lisalewis1017 @ 01/19/2008 10:20:20 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton is a liar who views this presidential race as a referendum on his eight years in the White House.

He thinks he's running for a third term. They had their chance in the White House and what did they do with it

they squandered much of the time fighting scandals that they themselves created. Bill says it would be a gamble to elect Obama. Is that the pot calling the kettle black...coming from a sexual deviant who molested interns in the White House. Having him back in the White House? Now THAT sounds like a gamble. They both act as though they are entitled to office and I think they are both angry at Obama for having the temerity to run. They wanted to coast to the nomination and bring out the bare-knuckled politics in the general against the Republican. The irony is they'll win the battle(the nomination) and ultimately lose the war(the general).

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 12:18:13

Comment: ABC ABC>>>>> anyone but cling -ons......

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/19/2008 10:01:26 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton called Obama out , sorry the truth hurts! Most Americans would love to go back to the 90s, no one cares about the 30% Clinton haters, the rest of us loved the 90s!!

Posted By: look@thefineprint @ 01/19/2008 23:54:02

Comment: Bill called Obama out on what? This is not the 90's and Bill is not SUPPOSED to be the one that is running for president...Hillary is. Why does she get credit for the positives of her husband's administration but not the negatives???

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 00:39:40

Comment: Clinton called Obama out on his misleading comments about how he consistently opposed the war but hen voted for funding. What is the difference now between Obama and Clinton on the war? Nothing They have the ae position now except Hillary is more experienced... I refer to the 90s b/c Obama brought up Bill Clinton and the 90s when he was praising his hero Ronald Reagan!

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 00:15:44

Comment: Big difference - O spoke up against the war, loud and clear, Hillaray voted FOR the war, WITHOUT READING the 94 page NIE (no staffer had clearance), and Bill claims to have been against the war from the beginning - another bad Clinton lie; even Slick Willy could not parse himself out of that one, as he gave a public speech in support.

Posted By: LittleSam @ 01/20/2008 15:19:45

Comment: I swear, if I hear one more person say that Obama said he was against the war but then supported funding I am going to scream my fool head off. Doesn't anyone ever listen to what the man says? Or do you only hear in sound bites. He has stated over and over again that he IS and WAS against the war but since it was going to go on anyway, he was not going to let the troops down and leave them hanging and therefore voted to fund!!!!!! Enough about this already.

Posted By: marcel @ 01/20/2008 13:16:56

Comment: Boy you don't live in reality as "HRC" would say. Obama has clearly been against the war and once we went in to IRAQ, he chose to support the troops, which was the responsible thing to do. She didn't even read the d*** intelligence report and made an uninformed decision at a very critical time. But she's supposed to be the best CEO type to run the country??? I don't think so. I manage people and i do the necessary research before making key decisions. What HRC did was irresponsible and i really hope people start calling her on this BS. She's the one getting a free ride from the press, not Obama. Hell, when i turn on the news it's like the Hillary show. It's pathetic.

Posted By: jnh1 @ 01/19/2008 22:48:26

Comment: Go to pollingpoint.com. Hillary Clinton's negatives are 45% and will get marginally worse in the general election. She will need to get 50.1% of the 55% that remains. Very likely that even with a huge tailwind this year for Dems, you will be looking at President McCain or Romney in November.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/22/2008 00:20:27

Comment: If the Clintons keep up this pace of driving a large segment of the dem. party away (her negatives are growing daily), she simply cannot win. Hse has no cross-over appeal, and attracts much less independents than McCain. I would like an independent polling group to track the number of dems willing to pledge they will NEVER vote for a Clinton again - that should bring the party 'elders" out - they should be scared and standing up for the party! The Clintons are willing to play up any divide for a short-sighted win, no matter the cost. Clinton Uber Alles!

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 00:29:39

Comment: I respectfully disagree, I think the Clintons will redefine McCain as a Bush war monger. Just wait until Carville, Clinton, Dean, and Schumer begin to go after this Bush loving neocon.

Posted By: TStew @ 01/20/2008 12:53:52

Comment: Truthfully, I think that a lot of democrats are so disgusted with this primary, they will not come out. Hillary will flip the equation: the republicans will come out in droves, some dem's will be so disheartened by the process, they won't. What the Clinton's had going for them was high approval amongst dem's. I'd like to see that number by the time they're through. They'll make John McCain look like a choir boy.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/19/2008 9:56:01 PM

Comment: Obama went after Cinton first (after the media encouraged him to attack her) and now they are complaining after the Clintons hit back? Too bad!! It is called hardball politics. How are they going to handle Rove if they are already crying now? The Clintons will stomp Mr. "BOMB IRAN" McCain and Rove!!

Posted By: politically incorrect @ 01/19/2008 9:53:27 PM

Comment: Bill Clinton calling Obama's opposition to the war a "fairy tale" is pretty shameless given his own recent comment that he was 'against the war from the beginning', when there's ample videotaped records from 2002-2003 proving the contrary. This guy is a pathological liar who lies even when he knows how damaging it is to the people around him. The oft-repeated definition of insanity: Doing the exact same thing over and over and expecting different results. The man just can't seem to help himself. Is it really a step forward to put this degenerate back in the oval office? I guess it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/19/2008 9:49:39 PM

Comment: The Obama campaign started attacking Hillary first ( after the media told him to attack her) and now they are crying b/c the Clintons are fighting back, too bad! It is called hardball national politics,they asked for it and now they got it.

I love Bill, please tell Brian Williams ( Limbaugh dittohead) that the Clinton brand is alive and well. They are going to stomp Mr. "BOMB IRAN " MCCAIN in the general election!

Posted By: cake lady @ 01/19/2008 22:31:52

Comment: I agree with you. In the beginning I remember Hillary saying that she didn't want to argue with her fellow condidates but wanted to speak to this administration and attack what they were doing. But Obama and Edwards kept attacking her and no one said a word then. Finally she had had enough. They expect her to sit back and be attacked and just sit back and say nothing. When they attack, they are applauded, for their agression, when she is on the defense, she is called a b---h. These are men? A bunch of cry babies. As far as I know this is for the presiedentcy and they are to tell you how they differ from one another, We want some one who will fight hard for this position. That means they will fight hard for the country and we want that.

Posted By: bettie01 @ 01/20/2008 00:21:43

Comment: You are so right. I think Oama may be ready someday but he is still a rookie and it shows, Rove and McCain would destroy him!

Posted By: CEPHALUS @ 01/21/2008 23:30:47

Comment: now on this expierence issue george bush was a governor in texas is this the experience you are talking about,when did we start a monarchy ?hillary is not the best choice here,the republican has too much amunition against her,she will not win the general election.

Posted By: herfan @ 01/19/2008 9:07:35 PM

Comment: I think Bill Clinton is doing a great job for Hillary. He knows what he is doing. This is a man that has won the office twice. A man that is already recorded as one of the greatest presidents in American history for all posterity.

If he needs to be rained in. I am sure Hillary will do it. But he must be doing something right. Hillary keeps winning in stunning fashion. Al Gore would have done better if he had relied on Bill more.

Frankly, I think it is a very smart move. He is making it very clear that he is going to be a very supportive and involved husband to President Hillary Clinton. Just like she was for him. And that is a good thing. Because she just happens to be married to one of the greatest former presidents in our history. Two for one.

The Clinton's are probably the most skilled politicians in American history.

Considering the catastrophic condition that we are now in at home, and abroad. You better all see to it, and hope they win.

Posted By: chatmant @ 01/21/2008 22:33:12

Comment: Ha! Good one! This is all so stupid that surely you jest.

Posted By: LittleSam @ 01/20/2008 15:22:38

Comment: What? Winning in "stunning fashion"?????? She only won NH by 3 points and NV by 5%. BO still has more delegates. That's not exactly a 'stunning' landslide.

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 12:23:21

Comment: the most skilled politicians in american history..... now that's a slam on the entire country!

Posted By: dsctz1 @ 01/19/2008 8:52:30 PM

Comment: Clinton has no right cutting down Obama. Bill Clinton does not have as perfect a record as he'd like people to believe. Where was Bill Clinton when war was raging in Rwanda. He had all the information and every opportunity to do something to help but he did not want to adversely affect his career. He chose to serve his own interests and ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were dying. He needs to step back a little and think about his intentions for pushing Hillary ahead and bashing others in his way. What are his real intentions? Hopefully they are not as self serving as his past has shown him to be.

Posted By: dsglick @ 01/19/2008 8:47:46 PM

Comment: I like Bill Clinton. However, I think he needs to tone it down several notches and get out of Senator Clinton"s way.

Posted By: Panthro12373 @ 01/19/2008 8:44:52 PM

Comment: I have the growing feeling that the Clinton "Machine", though still very effective, is a part of the problem, rather than a part of the solution. The conduct of Bill Clinton, in particular, is far from presidential. I have long admired him, but as this campaign continues, his shameful win-at-all-costs conduct has gone to new lows. It begs the question, is he running for Hillary or for his own third term? He has been used as a strategic attack dog, designed to bring Senator Obama down into the gutter with him. The Clintons are well on their way to winning the battle, but will their tactics cost them the war? If HRC wins the nomination, I will take a very strong look at her Republican opponent, especially if it is John McCain. Obama and McCain are self-made, as opposed to HRC who is riding the dirty coat tails of her beloved husband.

Posted By: ajon1600 @ 01/19/2008 8:36:14 PM

Comment: While I definitely believe Senator Clinton is qualified to be President of the United States of America, I don't think she can bring the country together - home and abroad. The Clintons play dirty politics. Bill Clinton has forever tarnished his reputation in Black America with his racist and very negative comments about Senator Obama.

As a very concerned citizen, I hope he will see that he is doing more harm than good to the process and just go home and rest... If the American people think that his wife is the best qualified candidate, she will be blessed with our votes.

Bill is only making people think of bringing up all of his personal baggage (Monica, White Water, all of the ladies that he was accused of molesting, lying under oath), etc...

He needs to realize that Senator Clinton is running for president, NOT HIM... His obesssion with running interference for her makes one wonder if he continue to do it if she is elected...

Makes one shutter at the possibilities...

Posted By: Mary @ 01/19/2008 8:36:08 PM

Comment: I blame Gov. Howard Dean for allowing the Bill Show to go on. Dean, Kennedy, and other Dems are going to be sorry they have allowed Bill to 'run' the smear campaign....I predict they will lose seats in the Senate and the House because of the Bill Show, not to say what it has done to the Bill Clinton legacy. Historians are going to have a field day with the actions of the Bill Show. The man is out of control...I wonder what he must have had to promise Miss Hillary after Monica?

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 23:05:52

Comment: I agree, where are our elected leaders, all of them, even the ones that have endorsed HRC (altough it will take more than private converstaions to make Bill stop - stand up and speak up, and endorse O) They can do the numbers = if the Clintons turn of more dems daily, and the indep. are going to McCain, there is no way to win, plus house and senate races will be hurt. THEY OWE IT TO THE PARTY THEY CLAIM TO LEAD TO SPEAK UP AGAINST THESE DIVISIVE SCROCHED-EARTH TACTICS of this power-hungry couple....

Posted By: dsctz1 @ 01/19/2008 8:34:00 PM

Comment: Clinton has no right cutting down Obama. He has a record himself that isn't as perfect as he'd like to have everyone believe. In the face of putting his reputation on the line or doing the right thing for this nation and other nations he regrettbly has chosen to save himself. He did not stand up for what was right. when faced with the choice to help in Rwanda. On the other hand Obama has done much to assist the peace keeping in Kenya and Darfur. Where was Bill Clinton when war was raging in Rwanda. He had all the information and every opportunity to do something to help but he did not want to adversely affect his career. He chose to serve his own interests and ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were dying. His current actions toward Obama are inexcusable.

Posted By: ruledestiny @ 01/19/2008 8:22:05 PM

Comment: It is somehow crazy to see how the media, the GOP supporters and some Democrat constantly beating on Hillary Clinton while she has not done anything wrong except try to rescue this contry from the mess that we are on right now. Our economy is close to recession if not already here, healthcare,gas etc. We need to remember what we have before this President came to power. i will firmly support her as a black man. Tony

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 22:52:34

Comment: What about her "decisive' vote for a war WITHOUT READING THE 94-PAGE National Intelligence estimate, while knowing no one on her staff had security clearance to do so? Nothing wrong with that?? Sending our soldiers to war, let alone the "collateral damage" on the other side and to our standing in the world, or the budget crash from this destructive war... I guess the polls that day told her this was the popular choice. Did you hear Bill spin how he was "against the war from the beginning"? That was not a spin, really - just another lie.

Posted By: marcel @ 01/20/2008 13:29:52

Comment: Well, Tony, it's crazy for me to see how as black man or any man for that matter you think you owe the Clintons anything? Bill introduced NAFTA and HB1 visas, both of which are allowing jobs to be siphoned from Americans. He benefited from a tech bubble and everyone thinks he was the cause. Truth be told, a President can not move an economy the size of America's single handedly. I know people want to create this causal relationship that they got rich when Bill Clinton was in office, but this is fallacious. I am a Democrat and i will go independent if HRC gets the nomination, because i know she is NOT what this country needs right now. There are a lot of other accomplished women, who have done on their own, who would be a better choice than Hillary. She's merely getting by on name recognition.

Posted By: TStew @ 01/19/2008 8:07:11 PM

Comment: Although Obama has always been my first choice, I always believed that I would support Hillary if she were the nominee. Any democrat who was the nominee. In spite of the Bill Clinton's disgusting personal behavior in the past, I always defended him against the Republicans (and their backers) who were determined to bring him down. Apart from the Lewinski debacle, I disbelieved most of the accusations constantly hurled at him. I don't disbelieve everything anymore. What do they call it, "blind ambition?" Don't get in the way of the Clintons or they will roll over you like a freight train, ethics be damned. After closely following the accusations, innuendo and subliminal messaging of their campaign ( their campaign which is far more about attacking Obama than telling us why Bill--I mean Hillary--should get another shot at the White House), I know I will never look at the Clintons the same way again.

Posted By: jade7243 @ 01/19/2008 8:00:33 PM

Comment: "Then, in New Hampshire, he argued angrily that the story of Obama's principled position on the Iraq War was a "fairy tale," a charge few reporters bought. "

Funny... every news show I watched, every report I read, in MSM, on cable, in newspapers and blogs seemed to by the former President's and the Clinton campaign's spin, hook, line and sinker. Perhaps, Jonathan, if you have spoken up a little louder WHEN THE STORY WAS FRESH, it would have nipped it in the bud. Part of a reporter's responisibity is to report the truth, not the spin. When news analysis is part of your gig, you need to do the job then too.

I sincerely hope EMK endorses Barack Obama. Perhaps that will put a little balance in the mix. Obama is not running against HIllary, but Bill for a third term with Hillary as surrogate.

Posted By: jasisrad @ 01/19/2008 7:44:57 PM

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Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 01/19/2008 7:42:44 PM

Comment: I agree: much as I love Bill, I'm seeing a side of him I don't much like. I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but Obama is my first choice as of now. I am a fraid that Bill has the porential to be a divisive force within the Democratic Party, and if we hope not to repeat 2000 and 2004, the party needs to be united and the candidates and their spokespeople respectful and high toned toward each other. They are going to need each othe against the Republicans, which is where the ire should be directed.. We cannot take this election for granted, and I would that Bill and other candidates' backers would keep their tempers amongst themselves, and disagreements to be worked out in a civil manner. Of course we need to know the differences amongst the candidates, but I wish they would not turn thos differences into an unseemly food-fight among people acting like petulant two year olds. Isn't that what we're trying to get rid of-the man-child presently running the White House?

Posted By: dallas12 @ 01/19/2008 7:37:48 PM

Comment: she want win.in the general..its call win at all cause..this time the AA community have waken up..he and she will not get our vote

Posted By: johncp @ 01/19/2008 6:58:02 PM

Comment: Saybah

Are you naive enough to believe, that "any" candidate, would not do anything to win the election? You amaze me. Why are you so desperately searching around, to invent a reason to attack Hillary?

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 22:43:16

Comment: I guess you are supporting the right candidate for you, if you really believe anything goes for a win, at any cost. No wonder Sen. Clintons "negatives" are so high and rising daily, among dems as well as independents (no need to measure the GOP, really ) have you thought how that will play in Nov., is they really turn off enough voters in their own party? Who's going to help them win? Rove smiles.....

Posted By: johncp @ 01/19/2008 6:51:36 PM

Comment: I'm not the least bit surprised that Edwrads is angrily telling Bill Clinton to stop fighting for Hillary, the way he is; after all, she's winning.

Fight on Hillary! Fight on Bill!

Posted By: NJ_Dave @ 01/21/2008 13:31:38

Comment: If it is working and has worked they will keep doing it. Obama isn't the first Dem they've hammered. They don't try to defeat opponents politically but destroy them, and Democrats are no exception. Look at NY State. Sometims I wonder at how Chuck Schumer's career has been allowed to remain intact, so many other dems have been wrecled by the Clintons to solidify thier hold there.

Posted By: Sometimey @ 01/19/2008 5:14:56 PM

Comment: While pretending to explain all of that "fairy tail" stuff, Bill Clinton made a racially divisive statement that probably resounded in the ears of some people, as a call to protect "their own." He said that for African Americans, a vote for Barack Obama is "a source of enormous pride . . ." Signaling that an African American vote for Barack is a vote for racial pride. Inferentially, if African Americans are voting racially, white Americans should do the same . . .

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/248854

Posted By: Sometimey @ 01/19/2008 5:12:59 PM

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/248854

Posted By: CD Politics @ 01/20/2008 19:15:55

Comment: That wasn't racially divisive. It is the truth that people feel pride when one of their own does well. There is nothing wrong with that. Many women are voting for Hillary Clinton in part because she is a woman. That doesn't mean they would vote for any woman -- say Paris Hilton for example. For the same reason, there is nothing wrong with African Americans voting with pride for Obama. As with women voting for Hillary, that is only one part of the equation. It doesn't mean for example African Americans would vote for any African American. But when women or African Americans can have as a candidate one of their own who is also great, that adds to the fervor of people's support for the candidate.

As a student in a Catholic parochial school in 1960, I can tell you that Irish Catholics came out in droves for JFK and were proud that he was one of his own.

Posted By: julimac @ 01/19/2008 4:42:37 PM

Comment: Bill is going overboard and turning off a lot of Democratic voters who are paying attention. BTW, the allusion to the aides at the Rose interview suggests they were trying to get him off before he did more harm, but there is evidence if you google the transcript that that wasn't the case. No need to keep repeating it.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/20/2008 10:35:46

Comment: I wish there were a poll, measuring who will NEVER vote for a Clinton (again). I bet these numbers are going up, given what they have been up to lately.... Without the independents, esp, against McCain, the democrats can never win....

Posted By: LittleSam @ 01/20/2008 15:31:32

Comment: Well, you can count me as one who will NEVER vote for a Clinton. There was a time not long ago when I thought that if HRC wins (I am an Obama supporter) I would certainly vote for her -- but not now. I know, I know, some will say that I might as well just give the election to the Republicans. Well, I'm sorry. I have to vote my heart. I will no longer hold my nose to vote ever again. It's too precious a right to squander it on nothing less than what I feel is right in my heart.

Posted By: Taratrue @ 01/19/2008 17:09:53

Comment: Yeah, but they are winning!! Go Bill!

Posted By: marcel @ 01/20/2008 13:42:43

Comment: It's not about winning or losing. It's about what's best long term for the country - healing this nation. A house divided can not stand. We need an Obama presidency right now. I submit that a vote for Clinton is going backwards. Let me ask you something. Did she succeed in delivering health care for all Americans? No, she did not. She always says rate people on what they've done in the past. She quit in the past and my health care costs are up not down. And then has the nerve to take money from pharmaceutical companies and lobbyists. I can only imagine who her health care plan would benefit. Wake up America! White,Black, Latino, Asian vote for who inspires you. Obama/Edwards '08

Posted By: Saybah @ 01/19/2008 17:30:13

Comment: I guess winning at all costs -- even to the detriment of the party, right?

Posted By: Boulder Sue @ 01/19/2008 19:45:48

Comment: Saybah: my feelings exactly!

Posted By: DUSTI @ 01/20/2008 05:26:11

Comment: GIVE IT A REST YOU PEOPLE . SENATOR CLINTON IS THE BEST TO RUN THE COUNTRY . WAKE UP . IF OBAMA IS SO PURE , HE SHOULD RUN AS THE NEXT POPE . AS FOR THE MONICA ISSUE , IF SENATOR CLINTON AND THEIR DAUGHTER ARE OK WITH ALL THAT , WHO ARE YOU TO KEEP ON HARPING ON IT ? HAVE YOU ALL HEARD OF THE " CAST THE FIRST STONE " ECT ? OR ARE YOU ALL JUST " HOLIER THAN THOUS " ?

Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 15:07:34

Comment: yahoo! Kudos! Put a republican in office eight years and we come out with a recession. Let's put back the people who BALANCED the budget and put the US in the green for the first time in forty or fifty years. Bring the Clinton's back. It'll take at least 8 years to sort out this mess, but my prediciton is the republicans will drive them out after 4 if it's not fixed. They're great at whining and crying, but not at solving problems. They only have one agenda, those Bushes and anyone associated with them. Oil. If you don't own and oil stocks, forget about it.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 22:26:46

Comment: HRC and surrogates have been casting many stones, even inside their own party. Winning at all cost, scorched-earth campaining, playing the divide... Rove should be proud, and is smiling at the dem establishment killing off the one inclusive candidate that can accract independent voters and even REpublicans. The Clintons are the greatest gift to the divided GOP - only they can unite them all, and the record turnout will hurt any one on the dem. ticket. Party leaders can do the math: without independents, there IS NO WIN in Nov., esp. since the legions of the ABC's grow among lifellong dems - I really never thought I would get to this point, but I pledge to never vote for a Clinton again.... We deserve better.....

Posted By: katbunny @ 01/21/2008 12:17:39

Comment: Who would want a president that "allowed" their spouse to abuse them over, and over again !!!

Posted By: LittleSam @ 01/20/2008 15:34:06

Comment: It's not about the "Monica Issue", and the sexual scandal. I don't think anyone really cares about that -- it's about being able to trust that someone is not lying and someone has personal integrity for himself, his family and his country.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 22:34:06

Comment: What % of the Clinton years was spent on Travelgate, Whitewater, Monicagate, pardons, PERJURY, missing billing records, Lincoln bedrooms and desk stories, Bimbo-eruptions, rape allegations, fundraising scandals, vindictive behavior, secrecy, parsing "is", defining "sex"??? What a waste of time - no more drama! Selfishly, I wnat my children to grow up under a persident they can look up to, without me having to explain "compartmentalisation" and "triangulation"... Power for the sake of power, at any cost...

Posted By: ClintonsSuck @ 01/21/2008 10:42:10

Comment: Bill Clinton, simply put, is a lieing bastard.

Posted By: mageduley @ 01/20/2008 11:54:30

Comment: You have to understand, there are 2 anti-clinton camps. One is the rabid republicans who have always hated them (impeaced for sex, all the lies thrown at them)

But theire is another camp and this one is the most important camp. We are democratic voters who were very pleased with our crop of candidates. Although we had our preference, we would support whomever the nominee was. But after careful following of the campaign, The Clintons have proved themselves unworthy. All of the years they had been subjected to republican attacks, they learned a thing or two. The absolute horrible thing is they are using those tactics against one of our own, splitting the dem party, and basically letting the dem party down. It is clear now they are not interested in representing the people. Most dems in this catagory are completely disgusted now and will NEVER vote for HRC. We had 8 years of darkness. 8 years of "going up to the legal line" but not crossing it. It appears the Clintons learned well from the republican attacks on them. It is just so said they are using those same tricks on our party.

Posted By: Carthage @ 01/21/2008 22:09:00

Comment: Oh, you are so right! What can we do to get someone/all of the elected reps. in the party to speak up?! Again, where is Gore, Kennedy, Dean, Boxer - all of them - stand up and speak up for the party! The dems cannot afford this Clinton behavior! HELP!

Posted By: lindasmith @ 01/20/2008 22:44:44

Comment: One correction: we've had not "8 years of darkness" but 16 years of lies, and extreme politics of personal destruction. No one is allowed to criticize or disagree with the Clintons. If you do, they will go after you and destroy you. African-Americans seem so in love with Bill, but please name one thing he did for them while President. We criticize President Bush for not finding Osama bin Laden, but remember that Clinton did nothing about going after bin Laden and the other terrorists. Americans need to elect someone who has integrity and humility and wants to bring the country together. Therefore, I could never vote for Hillary.

Posted By: smn77 @ 01/24/2008 11:18:33

Comment: You are uninformed. He did go after ObL with cruise missiles, and was criticized for distracting everyone from Monicagate.

Posted By: honest-to-pete @ 01/20/2008 12:35:02

Comment: "It's my party, (or was) and ill cry if i want to......." i'VE considered myself democrat since i first voted in 1972. and i WILL vote {i believe its my civic duty} but not for dynasty . ABC, ABC!! anyone but cling-ons

Posted By: Wildcatdiva @ 01/21/2008 07:40:33

Comment: The republicans will win if Clinton keeps this up. Democrats better believe that.

Posted By: Joaniebalonie @ 01/22/2008 13:18:11

Comment: Someone had better tell Bill to BUTT OUT. Stop the negative comments about Obama.

His nastiness is turning Hillary voters off. I am ashamed of his comments and feel that he had his turn in the limelight...let someone else shine. I'm voting for Obama.

Milliemouse