Final Thoughts on the Final (For Now) Democratic Debate

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jp6815 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:32:59 GMT

Tim Russet didn't do his homework. Obama in his 2002 speech was against the war. Courageous or calculating? In 2004 he gave Kerry and other demo crates free pass for vote yes on the war. When asked by New York Times report what he would have done if given the same info in the senate. Obama stated, "What would I have done? I don't know." abcnews.go.com Article: Analysis: Obama a 'Courageous leader? He is a flip flop candidate.

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terravista — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:29:44 GMT

I am shocked at the revelations of Obomas own precher looking up to Farakkaan - what does he teach in church to aObama and what are obams true feelings of farakaan becasue he sat a long time without saying he would reject Farakans' support. wow, that is so scary 0- I dont think obama would really have Isreal's best interests in mind for real and we need to take care of them in that region. Farakaan ties to Obama 0- he will lose votes over that.

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Marlon — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:58:40 GMT

Obama is scary and omits truths. History should teach us not to be swayed by passionate, eloquent speeches designed to inspire the masses. Ruthless ambition and dubious political endorsements should be a wake up call. The last time this was allowed to pass for a way out of economic insecurity, it created a World War and a nation of people who claimed they "had no idea" of ultimate disastrous results. Beware. What the Democratic Party and this nation needs right now is the vision, experience, intelligence, and calm resolve of Sen. Clinton - desperately! A hesitation on Obama's part in his response to the Farrakhan endorsement was very telling.

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artlady1 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:14:30 GMT

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HolyRoller — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:47:17 GMT

It appears that no "pundits" want to recognize the innuendo attacks on Hussein's ties to the mohammed sector. He had to be prodded into "rejecting" the Farrakhan endorement. He visibly winced at Clinton's mention of ethnic cleansing. I felt her comments about the MSNBC coddling of Obama was helpful to her, not whining. Obama was given a quick time out, instead of having to address his stand on the eventuallity of civil war in Iraq with a withdrawl of U.S. forces. I personally support McCain, but enjoyed finally seeing Hillary start to peal away his "sheeps clothing". The GOP will completely shear his wool if given the opportunity.

NOBAMA!!!

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twinoftwins — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:16:22 GMT

Both did well, but our trust is with Obama. He has shown that he can stand up for himself and answer the hard questions. If he had a chance to speak first he would have answered the same. By saying Hillary is right only means that on most issues they agree, it is not a put down for him or her. Do we really want our party to be totally against eachother. As stated if Omaba spoke first I would have liked to have seen Clinton say I agree with Obama, but that would have been hard for her to do as she wants people to think see is the only one that is right. Yes, she did say they agreed on a couple of things but not on most things.

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makiaepie — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:17:20 GMT

I am getting dizzy watching and listening to Senator Clinton. From pleasant last week in Texas, To Whinny like Nikita Khrushchev in the United Nations the next day in Ohio, To complaining last night at the debate and patronizing at times and then sexist at other times.

Experience? The only experience needed to be a president is to have stayed alive for 35 years and be a citizen of the United States of America who must have lived here for 14 years- then, be able to organize your campaign so that you win my vote!

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jhammo — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:41:43 GMT

By the comments I've been reading it is very obvisous that all of you haters really are just looking for anything to bring down Obama. The comments regarding Minister Farakkaan or so obsurd and ridiculous. Obama clearly stated there were no ties to himself and farakkaan, but the questions kept coming and coming, Yes he may have taken his time to respond, but no because he was guilty of his association with the Minister, but because he is smart and knows that anything he says can and most likley will be used against him.

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ISEEU2 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:47:06 GMT

Terravista, your point is irrelevant. Are you also implying that for all the church members whose pastors took advantage of small boys are somehow connected to the pastors for actions that were not their own? Give me a break! Who cares who the pastor likes. That has nothing to do with Mr. Obama. Maybe.........just maybe............one of the pastors accused of sexual misconduct with minors were one of your pastors. What does that say about you?

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Azim — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:05:19 GMT

Well, perhaps the media has already written the obitttuary for Clinton as many of the reader's have suggested until the Democratic process undergone completely. I am sure whoever emerges as the Nominee for the Democratic party, my hope will be that the party stays united for the general election. I doubt that because this same media will crucify either of this candidate in the upcoming election.

I am appaled though by the behavior of the media that the way they have reported in this primary election will be noted as one of the most biased reporting in the history of this country. I thought that a democratic process should be debated in policy substances not based on what or who looks good or sounds rosy without realizing where this country is heading. I also thought that media's function in this democratic process is to be nutral yet they have acted differently. I also thought that media should be balanced not giving one party a heads up while demonizing the other and that's what exactly happened in this primary season.

It is very unfortunate that this has occured in the name of Democracy.

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lamm01 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:18:58 GMT

I thought that Senator Clinton stated her positions in a concise, intelligent manner. It showed her command of the issues and their complexities. As for Senator Obama, he just showed that he's all show and no substance.

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oneStarman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:44 GMT

Civil War - REDUX. The tone of the debate may have been civil, except for Tim Russet's race-baiting Farakan obsession; but the tone of the blog/chat that occompanied the debate online was anything but. I was disturbed as I chatted along with the others not only by the mean spirited personal attacks on Senator Clinton; but even more so by the "Tar Baby" and other racial epitaphs that were used by those that were at least educated enough to be typing in a blog online. I was horrified to realize that the KKK was alive and well in cyberspace - and I told the other chatters this at the time - most didn't seem to get what I was talking about; which also made me sad.

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Cantabrigian — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:07:03 GMT

Why the shock and indignation with the picture of Senator Barack Hussien Obama in the Kenyan clothing? Why the shock and indignation because someone speaks the Senator's full name?

There is something terribly the matter with the level of shock and indignation over the facts.

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Andrys — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:19:25 GMT

"...at least as effectove" in wonky talk? Did you notice the many Me Too statements though?

When Russert addressed his trick question re Russian successor to both of them, did you see Obama just look over at her, waiting for her to say something?

He's impressive in other ways, but not in detail. Halting and uncertain except when responding in a stylistic 'calm' and ironic manner (which is effective)..

Side issue, considering the instant-reaction of the Obama forces to Drudge's report of the photo, believing Drudge without hesitation: The photos were circulated for 2 days before Drudge's report, on a right-wing forum with much discussion in several threads. If interested in the details on that, see http://andrys1.blogspot.com

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rfbjr — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:13:14 GMT

This last debate put a cap on Hiliary's obvious presidential inabilities to govern this great country. Her arrogance,sarcasm, and just plain rudeness would not fly when dealing with heads of state, not to mention dealing with congress and "US" citizens. She's used the "poor me" trick too many times. We need a winner in the White House, not a winer! She sure didn't impress as being presidential. In reality, last night's debate came across as a political campaign on her part. On the other hand, Obama didn't get rattled and was in control and logical. We, as people of this nation, must not only hold potential leaders in the White House to task, but take a hard look at members of congress who are holding us back by using the mind set "it's all about me", not what's best for the people they represent. It's about us; we want our control back! We pay their salaries and we can fire them by our votes if they don't cut it for us!

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Cantabrigian — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:39:42 GMT

I think the blog commments are in a very strange order. It makes more sense to list the more recent comments at the beginning of the discussion rather than at the end.

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Cantabrigian — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:32:49 GMT

I agree with rfbjr that no on expects arrogance and sarcasm, however, it never ceases to amaze me how people hear words and their personal interpretation of the comments. Many people have commented on the words spoken by Mrs. Obama, who unashamedly admits to being sarcastic. However, rfbjr is the first person whom I have heard say this about Senator Clinton. Senator Clinton has a very impressive college, and professional background, and her professional colleagues all say the same thing, that Senator Clinton is very professional. Senator Clinton has many friends and when interviewed no one says a bad word about her. I think the worst judgement we can make is about someone who we do not know. On the other hand, what do you think of Senator Barack Hussein Obama's public comments to Senator Clinton during one of their debate, that, "Hilary is likeable enough." Now, that is what I call rude!

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howwiwowie — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:53:51 GMT

I disagree with you Andrew. I think Tim Russert asked very good and tough questions. It helps us to know more about the candidates. However, I personally do have problems with the way he delivers it. Maybe people are so used to the reality TV style: shouting at each other and yelling you are fired. I do believe Mr. Russert can do it more elegantly. To the end, he supposes to be a moderator not an interrupter.

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jabailo — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:12:50 GMT

I agree with your analysis of Obama. He throughly demolished her last remaining argument of style over substance. I thought that Obama was far and away the "winner"; although in a more accurate sense, Hillary showed herself to be a loser, whining, as you say.

This is actually the first time I've seen Obama at his Presidential best. In fact, he's so young (my age, heh) that I forget he's a Senator! He seems like a junior alderman from Cook County most of the time. Seriously, do people realize he's on the Senate Foreign Relations committee? How'd he score that?

This was Clinton's swan song. Good bye and good riddence.