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dunnhaupt — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:04:52 GMT

Worst case scenario: Obama wins TX, Clinton wins OH -- so they cancel each other out, and Obama's lead remains unchanged. Then we'll have to wait for March 11 in Mississippi, where Clinton will be wiped out again. If Hillary does not get at least a 10 % majority in both TX and OH tomorrow, she can't win even they count Florida. Do the math!

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spirit — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:36:47 GMT

I THINK AS THIS DRAGS OUT IT ONLY HELPS MCCAIN.

THERE IS NO WAY I WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR CLINTON BUT OBAMA I MIGHT HAVE. IF THE DEMOCRAT WAR CONTINUES ( I THINK IT WILL BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE HILLARY OFF KICKING AND SCREAMING IN AUG NO MATTER WHAT) AND MCCAIN CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE GENERAL ELECTION AND OBAMA WINS THE DEMOCRAT ONE, HE WILL BE SO BEAT UP FROM FIGHTING CLINTON AND MCCAIN HE WILL LOSE.

I AM INDEPENDENT AND VOTED FOR BILL CLINTON THE FIRST TIME, NOT THE SECOND.

I VOTED FOR REAGAN AND CARTER, SO I WILL PICK THE BETTER PERSON IN MY MIND

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A CLINTON AGAIN

THE DEMOCRATS LOSE THE LONGER IT TAKES.

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SusaninIN — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:45:51 GMT

I have never and will never vote for a Clinton.

Obama 08

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Michaelrf — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:55:30 GMT

Clinton should be able to win TX, OH, and RI. That will raise doubts for Obama and allow her to move on. If she cannot win TX, she needs to quit. If she cannot win OH, she definitely needs to quit. Regardless, if Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain. We have had 8 years of inexperience in the White House, and that is 8 years to many!

Clinton/Bayh 2008

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ssmolly — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:59:16 GMT

Worse case scenario: Obama wins the nomination. I, and many like me will be forced to vote for someone besides a Democrat. He has some really bad ties...dig deeper in the Resko case.

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Barbara914 — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:37:17 GMT

As an Obama suppporter, I will be down but not out if Clinton wins Texas. I expect her to win in Ohio. My husband is an Obama supporter as well, but part of him wants Obama to lose because he fears for Obama'a safety.

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VAChris@FC — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:45:34 GMT

Funny how this is working out. Up until a few short months ago ALL the polls had team Clinton a sure bet to win the nomination. Even after Iowa, and their win in New Hampshire, the spin was - it's all about delegates, where is Obama's momentum - they said. And now, all of a sudden, we're being told that if Obama fails to win BOTH big states tomorrow - where Clinton had had double digit leads until a week or so ago, that it means voters have doubts about his candidacy; this after he rolled over team Clinton 10 and 0?. NO, voters don't have doubts about his candidacy, And the Clinton team had it backwards, I would think, when they opined that the Obama camp had concluded the process over numerous times, 'cos from everything I've read lately it does show that they thought this would be over on Super Tuesday and so failed to have a post-super tuesday strategy in place. And this is an organization being run by a candidate for the presidency - what does this failure say of her ability to organize and get things done if elected! If that is what EXPERIENCE gets you then give me HOPE anyday. You know, it is said that half of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at, you would think that these guys would get it by now.Wise up, people, even if Obama ends up losing both big states, not that I forsee that hapenning, then that only buys team Clinton a little time to be further humiliated by this political upstart, a virtual unknown. They can spin it however they want, but the American public knows better.

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mjno — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:50:22 GMT

HILLARY will be the nominee if this country wakes up!!!!

www.hillaryspeaksforme.com

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mikesmithcomic — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:50:48 GMT

If the Democrats had 'winner take all' primaries like the Republicans, Hillary would have the nomination sewn up already. I don't know why the pundits are counting her out already. Let the nominating convention decide like they used to in the days before the media decided for us.

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SteveBrant — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:59:54 GMT

You've missed a hugely important possible scenario... that after they view tomorrow's results, the Superdelegates - such as people like Gov. Bill Richardson - step in and say "It's time for this to end.

That's what Gov. Richardson said should happen on Face the Nation on CBS yesterday.

That's what I think will happen...by people who have the good of the party at heart.

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1899albany — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:10:05 GMT

I don't know who will win on Tuesday or by what margin. I am concerned that the ultimate winner must be the one who can change the dynamics in the current Washington environment. On balance, we do know what both candidates have promised but we don't know for sure if they can keep those commitments. To change what currently exists in Washington, the new President must have the ability to reach across the aisle to move things. What we have in Hillary is, She has been there and done that which she adds up to experience. BUt she has never had the experience of pushing the button at 3 a.m in the morning. She did have some game plan; A health care proposal that failed and since she became a Senator, she voted for the invasion of Iraq another mistake. She seems to be two stepping in line with McCain and the Republicans would love to have her as the Democratic nominee for obvious reasons. On the other hand, we have Obama with his fresh ideas, his energy and enthusiasm to change how Washington conducts business. Voting for either one is a gamble anyway you look at it but my bet is on Obama

Rudy Anthony,

Mauldin SC

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Andrew Romano — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:12:47 GMT

Hi SteveBrant:

Great point. I've actually addressed it in two posts:

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02/29/the-stumper-superdelegate-watch-part-two-of.aspx

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02/13/the-tale-of-two-intermissions.aspx

As I wrote immediately after the Potomac Primary...

Depending how March 4 shakes out, last night's results--and the likely Obama wins in Wisconsin and Hawaii--may help determine the Democratic nominee by the ides of March. If Obama takes Ohio and Texas, I'm guessing that the decisive superdelegates will soon break his way and pressure will mount on Clinton to withdraw. If Clinton wins both, the race will continue through Pennsylvania on April 22. But if the result is muddled with a win apiece and/or a delegate draw--by far the likeliest result--Obama will have the upper hand. He'll probably lead in the popular vote (current margin: 700,000). He'll almost certainly lead in pledged-delegate count. (Now trailing by more than 130, Clinton needs to win 345 of the 573 delegates up for grabs between March 4 and April 22 to catch up). He'll have shown some serious crossover appeal (read: electability). And with 40 days between Mississippi on March 11 and the Keystone State on April 22, the superdelegates will have plenty of time to decide whether they want to prolong the contest or crown a presumptive nominee for the good of the party.

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tiggerydo — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:18:16 GMT

The media annointed Obama months ago. The bias against Clinton, especially on the part of male MSNBC commentators, has been blatent and arrogant. This is one election the news media has unduly influenced and I predict we'll all be very sorry we let them get away with it when the Dems end up losing the general election in Nov. because Obama can't take a punch.

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derwon — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:20:54 GMT

DON'T QUIT HILLARY. The longer Hillary stay, the more we know about Obama's craps. We know that Obama won for the Red states because there is a bias that Republicans have told their members to vote for Obama throughout Texas and Ohio. Republican love Obama vs McCain, because a lot of craps they can throw in general election to Obama for the win of McCain. So all Democrats don't get fool by polls say Obama will win vs Mc.Cain.

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tiggerydo — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:23:21 GMT

Obama can't take a punch like Hillary can. The Dems are going to lose in Nov. if he is the candidate.

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lorhutton — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:27:30 GMT

Hillary is already out. Otherwise, the Democratic party will have to openly deal with the 17 million dollar fraud lawsuit that is in process against Bill Clinton...which alleges massive illegal campaign contributions to Hillary's 2000 Senate campaign...in which Hillary is named as a material witness.

The Clinton's are still the same political liability that they proved themselves to be throughout the 90's....spending so much time fighting their own personal scandals, that little time was left for anything else.

Hillary likes to say she is "ready on day one"...however, chances are that on "day one" she will be testifying as a material witness in yet ANOTHER lawsuit involving her dear hubby..as opposed to serving as "Commander-in Chief."

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aleafirst — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:29:37 GMT

McCain looks more and more like he will be the new president. With Hillary dragging this primary out... it really reminds me of the woman who was willing to let the king chop the baby in half after claiming the baby was hers. What does it say about her,,, she's willing to drag the dems down and let McCain sneak into the White House. She pretends to love America but we all know what this about.

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Big Ben — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:30:50 GMT

Why is it that all Hillary supporters must demean Barack and all Barack supporters must tear down Hillary? This is a unique election year for Democrats. We have two qualified candidates who can and should win in November. After much consideration, I am more in favor of Obama, however, I say that not because Hillary is a bad candidate or incapable of leading the country. To the contrary, had the candidates for the Democratic nomination this year been those that were on the table in 2000 or 2004, Hillary would be my clear-cut choice.

In short, let's save our vitrol for the worthy (in my opinion, Bush), our best rhetoric for the "opposition" (McCain) and our hatred for those truly horrible people in the world who deserve it. As for Hillary and Barack, I am honored that both are fighting to lead my party and I want nothing but success for both in the future.

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kpetz — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:36:32 GMT

One thing I believe has not been factored into the polls, is the new voters (young, new voters) coming out in droves in this election. They are overwhelmingly going with Obama. My understanding of the poll taking, is that it polls previous voters. The impact of the youth vote could provide a wide margin for Obama. Can someone confirm that the polls do not measure the impact of the new voters coming out?

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The Eagle Spirit — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:36:44 GMT

The battle should be over tomorrow at the latest. Obama should be getting his vice presidential running mate in order and it should be a woman from the many women that have leadership values and experience. He certainly does not need Clinton as a running mate.

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kpetz — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:39:17 GMT

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walterneff — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:00:20 GMT

When Hillary can spin eleven straight losses and rapidly shrinking poll leads as "having momentum", and characterize a protracted, increasingly savage duel with Obama as good for the Democratic Party, you can smell what's coming on Wednesday. No matter the outcome, she will not quit. Why? Because her campaign has always been, and will always be, all about her. Everyone and everything else be damned!

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wyl5326 — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:20:12 GMT

Have you ever noticed that in all of Hill's stumps, she always use the word "I" as if she is the Superwoman who gets thing done. Contrast that to Barack's stump where he favors using the word "We", which empowers the people. The voters should then take a look at what have been accomplished by the contrasting results of their campaigns. Hill has all the advantage in the beginning including name recognition and yet managed to find her campaign trailing his grass root based movement that sustained his victories across the country ! It is therefore so easy for the voters to see who delivers and who is the real talker who can't deliver the promised solutions. Hill have 8 years in WH and yet fails to deliver on her Universal Healthcare that she passionately fought. She can get herself hoarse repeating her stump promises and it won't make a difference as the voters have clearly seen how incompetent she have been ! Remember, she OUTSOURCED her personal responsibility as a US Senator to read the National Intelligence Estimate before voting for the Iraq War !

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MikeForHillary — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:22:37 GMT

I will always vote for for a Clinton...Let's go back to the President Clinton era, Where CD's were at 9%.

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wyl5326 — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:36:20 GMT

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clap — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:38:33 GMT

I don't understand how people can still say that they fear for Obama's safety,we have seen it many times over and over again in which fear dictates our actions. however , where would we(AMERICANS) be if all of those great Americans who fought for those causes which makes us the greatest and freeest country on the earth, had just given up and let fear overtake them. please do not insult me, If any American will take that chance for a great cause , the least we can do is support him.

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lscapozzoli — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:40:35 GMT

Obama is a light weight. He is not ready to be president. In all of his "unity" he is weak, probably a flip flopper. He talks too slow too. Comes across almost stupid.

The media loves him though - because they hate wormen and can't stand the thought of a strong, smart, leader that is female.

MSNBC is so biased - they act like they work for Obama.

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clap — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:41:11 GMT

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clap — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:48:20 GMT

hillary is the greast thing since sliced bread. lol

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ddcohen — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:50:19 GMT

This is fuzzy math from HRC camp - in poker you lose 11 you are out.

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Monetfan — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:12:21 GMT

Well, I think Governor Bill Richardson signaled what will happen Wednesday, NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME IS ON TUESDAY! He said that whoever has more TOTAL PLEDGED DELEGATES as of tomorrow night should be the nominee. This is tantamount to saying Obama will be the nominee. I agree that this is what should happen. How much longer should this continue? There is NO WAY Hillary can win enough PLEDGED delegates to catch up with Obama unless she wins BIG tomorrow night - and in ALL of the future primaries and caucuses. She has to win EACH contest by something like 60 to 70%! Otherwise, Obama will wind up with more PLEDGED delegates, more STATES won, and more of the POPULAR vote! HOW can she ask the Superdelegates to come over to her side and go against the VOTERS?? It would be a sure-fire way to hand this election to McCain. Obama supporters would justfiably feel cheated - and would most likely sit on their hands in November. Again, unless Hillary WINS BIG IN BOTH OHIO and TEXAS tomorrow, it will be mathematcally impossible for her to win more pledged delegates than Obama in future contests - she will not win Mississippi, North Carolina, Oregon etc. by 70% which is what would be necessary if she only wins by single digit margins in Ohio and Texas. To use Hillary's phrase, "Let's get real!"

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Monetfan — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:13:18 GMT

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shehera — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:20:49 GMT

America please wake up!!!! If Obama wins over Clinton YOU CAN KISS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DREAM GOODBYE!!!! He is not strong enough to win against McCain!!!! Hillary on the other hand can and will beat him!!! Please wake up!!! The Obama campaign is largely fueled by the REPUBLICANS who want to see him get the nomination so that McCain sweeps the election. WHY don't you guys educate your selves a bit. Do you really believe Obama can be the president of the United States??? I'm just baffled at the ignorance... just cattle following the sheepherder!!!! Nothing ever changes...

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ghostu — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:25:19 GMT

if this thing goes to the convention floor, and theres a nasty fight, and if the clintons pull off a coup, what does that do to the argument that bush lite stole the election? seems nobody can claim any moral high ground if that happens, and were just stuck with politics as normal. i am sick of the fighting, of the rage, and of the lies from the clintons. if this is what theyre willing to do, well, i dont want any part of it. and as for the good old days of bill, thats sixteen, yes 16 years ago, and the world is a different place. i dont need bill and hillary to tell me how stupid i am. the unmitigated gall of wolfson and penn and mcauliffe reminds me of the pre kuwait saddam hussein.... lies, lies, more lies. when hillary, bill and their cronies die, theyre gonna have a lot of explaining to do, because theyre certainly no saints.

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Monetfan — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:31:46 GMT

I want to add one more point to my above post. This "Big State" argument put forth by the Clintonian spin machine is ridiculous. Does ANYONE think John McCain will win "Big States" - traditional Democratic States - like NY, NJ, MA and CA? Of course not! Obama will win these in the General Election. But Obama, unlike Hillary, has shown he CAN appeal to Independent and GOP voters. He has a really good chance of winning "Swing states" like Missouri and Iowa. He can make Southern states like VA and GA in play. He has shown strength in states like Kansas and Colorado. He has won by DOUBLE DIGITS over Hillary in 18 states! She has won by double digits over him in only ONE state - Arkansas! Obama will win the "Big States" against McCain - plus many, many more!

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bobbiew2 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:32:21 GMT

I have been wanting Hillary to run for President for a long time. I was an enthusiastic supporter until

recently. I have noticed her actions in her campaign have turned for the worse. Her behavior has changed, mostly I believe because of the media.She might as well run on the Republican ticket, because she is "same ole-same ole politics". We are ready for a change, and under pressure she has reverted to "politics as usual". Her statements about "us working women" make me want to puke. In her wildest nightmares, she cannot compare herself to the average American working woman, and re-telling sad tales about someone she spoke to in some city dosen't make her any closer to us "working women. As for experience, there are only 42 people who have past "Presidential experience". I am now an Obama supporter! AND I am tired of all the Clinton drama about lawsuits and questionable morality. Doesn't anyone remember her being called a "tyrant" among other things when she was in the White House before? OUT with the old and in with the new!

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bobbiew2 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:41:15 GMT

I also want to add that Obama appeals to a much larger and diverse group than both Hillary and McCain. I watched Larry King the night that Mrs Obama was on and there were some political analysts on. One of them made a statement that the republican candidates were no different than in the past (when discussing a history making presidential fight), they are all over-weight balding white men with the same old rhetoric ( or close to that statement) .America wants a change!

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cooper101986 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:46:45 GMT

I think that Obama will take TX and Clinton OH. Like someone that made a post earlier, it pretty much will cancel each other out. I once was going to vote for Hillary but now Im going to vote for Obama and I think that everybody who is downing Obama needs to put things in perspective and realize that he will win the nomination. Nothing against Hillary but the way things are going he is going to win so please stop being blind and if you want to down somebody, why dont you down Mccain. Personally I dont know about everybody else but our current republican president is doing wonderful in office. The nation is doing so much better since he got in office, our economy is on the edge of a recession, thats also wonderful.

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cogitohopper — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:56:00 GMT

I predict Super Obama Delgate Girl will come flying in by the end of the week!

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hotstuff — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:59:19 GMT

I´m slowly beginning to believe that America doesn´t deserve anything better than Bush-Clinton-Bush- Clinton. Based on that premise, let´s all vote for Hillary now.

Then, let´s enthrone Hillary in the general, come November.

Let´s give her 2 terms till 2016

Then, maybe Jeb Bush through 2024

Let´s see, hmm, then Chelsea Clinton through 2032....

And then another .., yeah, Bush through 2040

................................................................................

I think it´s pretty exciting! Let´s scrap all these lousy primaries and the GE. Waste of time, money and energy! America has been blessed with the Bushes and the Clintons!! Thank God!

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bobbiew2 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:02:34 GMT

My daughter wants to put in her two cents. She is still a Hillary supporter. She thinks that Hillary is being treated unfairly by the media and so the change in her behavior. Hillary is trying to show that she is just as strong as her male counterparts. That she can be tough as the rest of them. Hillary changing her tactics midstream has been a mistake though. All she has done is show that she conforms under pressure, and aren't we looking for a change? My daughter feels that if Hillary had been more like Hillary than "Hilliard" she might have kept more of her supporters in her camp. Because she (Hillary) has changed her strategy under pressure and the intense unrelenting media isn't going to end soon, she feels that Obama is the better candidate. She supports Hillary, but is voting for Obama as the stronger candidate - more likely to beat McCain in November.

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kryn10 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:37:14 GMT

VOTE HILLARY 2008. DON'T LET THE MEDIA CHOOSE YOUR PRESIDENT FOR YOU. The news media has been unrelentless in their attacks on Hillary since the inception of the primaries. Whereas Obama's only attacks come from a one-on-one with Hillary, she has been forced to spend her time and money fighting a concerted effort by the Republican media to get her out of the race. They never put pressure on Obama, he is never asked hard questions first in debates, when news that is unfavorable to Obama surfaces, the media quickly supresses it, or more often even offer lengthly defenses on his behalf including digging up something negative about Hillary to offset Obama's negative story!!! IS THIS FAIR REPORTING?? I THINK THE MEDIA TAKES IT TOO FAR TO THINK THEY CAN DECIEVE AND CONTROL THE PEOPLE AND TRICK THEM INTO VOTING FOR THE MEDIA'S CHOICE OF CANDADITE. I am going to vote for the candidate of MY CHOICE, NOT THE CHOICE OF THE NEWS MEDIA. STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS. DON'T LET THE MEDIA FORCE THE BEST CANDIDATE OUT THERE TO QUIT. GO HILLARY!!

VOTE FOR HILLARY 2008 - THE CANDIDATE WHO LISTENS TO THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE, NOT LIKE OBAMA WHO ONLY LISTENS TO HIS EGO AND THAT ALL-KNOWING VOICE IN HIS HEAD.

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klopez10 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:40:57 GMT

I agree with the comments posted by Big Ben. Why can't we focus on why we LIKE certain candidates instead of pointing out their failures. Neither of the candidates resorted to insulting each other until the race got close. Until that time, no one considered it a race.

I lwould be happy with Clinton or Obama for President. I'm proud to be a democrat. However, recent mud-slinging has turned me cold towards the whole political process. Isn't that the behavior normally reserved for Republicans?

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hope-3 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:48:47 GMT

The ultimate winner must be able to unite the democratic party.I don't believe hillary can do that.That is why this issue must be resolved tomorrow

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jez143 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:57:35 GMT

Enough already. The democrats have spoken and Obama is the clear choice. How can the party embrace and rally around a candidate when one of them won't go away????? I know how devastating this would be for Hillary. I'm sure she thought for sure she'd be the next president. But... hasn't everyone at this point had enough of Bill and Hillary. It's like 20 years of Bush's and Clinton's in the White House. Hillary is a step back into the past. As she tries to take credit for everything that happened in her husband's administration. as if that's her "experience" she doesn't make a good case for herself. She was not president. It's like Caroline Kennedy stepping up to bat and talking about all the experience she has because she livied in the White House during the Kennedy administration.It doesn't work (although I think Caroline would be great). The more HIllary uses her husband's administation as a sword, the more we realize what a double edged sword that is. The Clinton administration was mediocre at best and if she was so involved in everything she should have warned her husband of the bad judgment he showed. The man did get busted with an interen and Hillary couldn't even make that stop.

It's time to end the Clinton administration that Hillary so much wants to bring us back to. I don't want to go. Does anyone really? Obama is young, fresh, smart, he has the "audacity of hope" which is great thing he's energized this country with. Hillary on the other hand, has the "arrogance of the political machine" which is quite ugly and for sure, has turned it's back on her. The leaders of the democratic party have all, for the most part, endorsed Obama and so have the American people.

I for one will be happy when I never have to see Hillary Clinton again. Her cold calculated presence makes me tired.

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jerryalb — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:03:09 GMT

Here's part of the problem. alot of people 'will never vote for a Clinton'; even if Hillary is somehow able to sneak away with the nomination of the Democratic party that will only give the White House back to the Republicans. Hillary keeps hoping that everyone will wake up and realize, "what was I thinking, Hillary needs to be President." for that reason she will stay in it until the very last vote. If the party is destroyed in the process, so be it. it's for the greater good.

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nylaundry — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:08:59 GMT

It's painful to watch Hillary rationalizing ways to stay in a race she's already lost. Not unexpected, but undignified to say the least. I remember the first time I laid eyes on Bill and Hill my first thought was these two would do or say anything to get in that White House. It's scary.

And it's deja vu all over again.

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kryn10 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:11:21 GMT

HILLARY HAS ALWAYS PROVEN TO BE STRONG UNDER PRESSURE. YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY COMPARE THE PRESSURE SHE IS UNDER IN THIS CAMPAIGN TO OBAMA. HE TAKES VIRTUALLY NO PRESSURE AT ALL FROM THE THE NEWS MEDIA, AND HE HAS BEEN TAKEN UNDER THE WING OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY WITH THEIR UNIFIED NETWORKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. EVERYONE IS AFRAID TO MAKE A SINGLE NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT HIM BECAUSE IT WILL BE VIEWED AS RACIST. TO PROVE THIS POINT, HE CANNOT EVEN BE CALLED BY HIS OWN NAME BECAUSE HIS CAMPAIGN FEELS IT PUTS HIM IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT. WELL, SORRY, BUT THAT IS HIS NAME!!!! IT MAY APPEAR THAT OBAMA DOES NOT CAVE IN UNDER PRESSURE, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE HE IS NEVER PUT UNDER ANY PRESSURE. ALL THE PRESSURE IS ALWAYS --ALWAYS -- DIRECTED AT HILLARY! AND SHE HAS NOT CAVED IN UNDER PRESSURE AT ALL. IT IS JUST THAT SHE IS NOT SO EGOTISTICAL AS TO THINK SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND ALWAYS WILL BE RIGHT. OBAMA WILL ONLY LISTEN TO THAT LITTLE VOICE IN HIS HEAD -- HIS EGO. SOUNDS A BIT LIKE HITLER, DOESN'T IT?? PLAYING TO THE EMOTIONS OF THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON FACTS. EMOTIONS PUT PEOPLE INTO A FRENZY SO THAT THEY OVERLOOK THE FACTS AND DON'T BOTHER TO DIG TOO DEEPLY. THIS IS HOW HITLER TOOK POWER. HILLARY WILL LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE. AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO CONSTANTLY CHANT FOR CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE, WHY DO YOU THEN DISAGREE WITH A CANDIDATE WHO IS WILLING TO BRING ABOUT REAL CHANGE, NOT TALK CHANGE -- WHO IS WILLING TO TAKE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO TRY TO CHANGE POLICIES THAT STARTED OUT GOOD BUT TOOK A TURN FOR THE BAD. CHANGE MEANS REAL CHANGE. AND CHANGE DOES NOT COME ABOUT BY CONTINUOUSLY INSISTING THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT (AS GW BUSH & OBAMA DO), BUT BY TAKING ACTUAL STEPS TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE. HILLARY IS THE CANDIDATE WHO CAN DO THIS FOR US. SHE WILL LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE AND FIGHT FOR WHAT WE WANT.

VOTE FOR HILLARY 2008 -- THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE

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Sprachkundiger — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:15:50 GMT

Much has been made of Obama's Rezko ties(all opponents eager to find something sticking to him) OK, how about the Clinton's Whitewater land deal? How about the fact their lawyer Foster comitted suicide at a convenient time, and his apartment was immediately ransacked and papers removed? How about Paula Jones and Jennifer Flowers and Monika Levinsky? Our modern age is heralded with euphemisms, like "mistated earnings" (cooked the books), "rendition flights," (abduction to countries authorizing torture), "a softening economy" (growing toward recession). That spin really started in earnest with Bill Clinton, who "mislead the American people" when testifiying about his last affair. No, he LIED, pure and simple. HIllary's experience also includes, besides the positive sides of it, the pandering, cronyism, and dishonesty of most politicians. We Americans desperately need a president who CARES about us and our ever-increasing battle to stay afloat in economic downturn. Hillary is in it for her super-laquered ego, and that's all! If the American people are stupid enough to vote for another Republican president, then they deserve everything they will(not) get I will vote for Obama.

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Susan N — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:15:54 GMT

How much of the popular vote that Obama is ahead by comes from democrats? I heard him tonight pleading for the republicans and independents in TX to crossover and vote for him.

The article about where Obama's money is coming from makes a lot of sense. I knew that Obama's saying that the average contribution was $105 per contributor couldn't possibly make mathematical sense. There's too much smoke around this guy for some of it not to be true. I feel like the democrats are getting another snow job. When we they ever learn?

By the way, I was opposed to the Iraq War from the beginning, does that mean I have the necessary judgment to be President of the U.S.?

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rhomanOH — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:19:51 GMT

I have had the pleasure of witnessing all candidates for the past two weeks here in Ohio. That includes McCain, Huckabee, Clinton and Obama. What can I make of all of the mess that they each represents: McCain has a buffoon introduce him at a rally, Huckabee gets to play his guitar to warm up a crowd, Obama packs in big crowds, and Clinton moves to her base – white women and the poor (her best photo ops). She does not try to canvass the middle class/working class neighborhoods with any of her surrogates – no door-to-door in the mixed neighborhoods of Cincinnati – only the pure white areas in central to southern Ohio is fit to have her visit. She stayed outside of Cleveland (except for the debate), outside of Dayton, outside of Toledo – she stayed outside of all urban and suburban areas except to do her photo ops. When she would come in, the locales chosen would only hold a thousand people.

Hillary supporters will say that she is honest and truthful, but when she held up flyers that the Obama campaign supposedly mailed out in Ohio, she was definitely lying. We never received those in the Greater Cincinnati area, but we did receive one from her campaign this weekend. She has stayed with her hate and fear campaign in our area, making speech after speech on her experience (35 years which will give her as much time as her husband – she never did anything outside of the Senate) and how only she can save us from ourselves. Besides looking for money (her only reason to send Chelsea to Cincinnati) and pandering to the press on how Obama is attacking her, I have not found one reason to change my vote. If everyone wants to look at how money and financing of her campaign is going, look at this link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/clinton-accepts-donations_n_89306.html). She has more to say about how and who she is willing to use to get her way into any office.

As for who should win and whether or not HRC should get out – let the voters decide, but look at the other two states instead of Ohio or Texas. If she thinks that she is the best candidate, maybe she should try to personally campaign in those states.

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Duck Soup — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:25:36 GMT

IT'S OVER THE OHIO BLOGS. REPUBLICANS ARE VOTING FOR HILLARY TO PERPETUATE HER EATING OUR OWN. SEE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.cleveland.com/forums/open/

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sasidechick — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:35:11 GMT

I keep hearing Clinton say she has momentum, She has lost 11 in a row and has lost double digit lead in OH and TX. What is her definition of momentum??

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"Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:53:19 GMT

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

REUTERS REPORTING THAT CANADIAN GOVERNMENT DEFENDS OBAMA AGAINST A PREVARICATING HILLARY ...

Reuters

Canada defends Obama over NAFTA flap

03.03.08

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA(Reuters) - Canada defended Democratic front-runner Barack Obama Monday over accusations from rival Hillary Clinton that he is secretly at ease with a hemispheric trade accord which he publicly blames for losing U.S. jobs.

Clinton's criticism, on the eve of make-or-break presidential nomination contests for her in Ohio and Texas, stemmed from a report by Canadian television station CTV that an Obama economic adviser told Canadian officials the candidate was not seriously considering disrupting the trade accord.

But the Canadian Embassy in Washington released a statement essentially backing up the Obama camp's version of the meeting between adviser Austan Goolsbee and officials at the Canadian consulate in Chicago.

"There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA," the embassy statement said. "We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect." ...

COULD YOU TRUST THAT WOMAN TO UPHOLD THE PRESIDENTIAL OATH OF OFFICE, GIVEN HER INABILITY TO ADHERE TO THE TRUTH DURING THE CAMPAIGN?

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Mr. Din — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:23:33 GMT

Both candidates are very strong, but one of them better than others.

Based what I have been reading or researching, Barack Hussein Obama is hiding something, never been honest, In RI speeches, Barack said that "you mean what you said and say what you mean" Now anyone recalled that in some debates when asked question, Barack said "Thats not what I mean". Barack never told the truth that if he was a muslim or not, he keep saying he is christian. Based to my knowlege and based on his father background and based on when he was in Indonesia, that Barack maybe was muslim and then changed to christian. Barack should honest about this and people will fade a way about this religion issue.

Either Barack or Hillary wins March 4 primary, neither of them can claim a winner yet. I have said months ago that this primary will go all the way to Denver Colorado in August. That is the time we would know who the democratic nominee.

There some wierd people posting...example, "If Hilary wins, I will vote for McCain in November" and "If Barack wins I will vote for McCain" .. think about it,,,does it make any sence to you?

After all that we need the democrat in WH...

I wish that democratic rulls ..winner take-all. This way.. primary is done by now. So will have more time to set a campaign with Republican .

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Dr. No — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:32:08 GMT

Good evening. Just wanted to say thank you Hillary.........I am now voting for McCain. Thanks for killing the democratic party with your negativity, your ruthless ambition for power and control, and your uncompromising "ffighting" character.

If we lose in Novemer, I pledge to produce a campaign to make it VERY known that she is ultimately responsible for our loss.

Cheers,

Dr. No

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timrogers — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:33:55 GMT

If the voters decide against Hillary, as they have already done eleven times in a row before, will the media finally start treating her as a failed candidate. In my memory, I can not recall anyone who lost so many, so quickly, and by so much still regarded as a legitimate contender. At this rate, the heavyweight championship would require at least a 'best of seven'. And the superbowl would have to be at least a ' best of three'.

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Mr. Din — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:34:56 GMT

"Posted By: sasidechick (March 3, 2008 at 10:35 PM)

I keep hearing Clinton say she has momentum, She has lost 11 in a row and has lost double digit lead in OH and TX. What is her definition of momentum??"

You must be hearing from a 5 year olf child. NO ONE say Hillary has momentum and NO ONE say that March 4 primary is over..... So neither Hillary nor Barack has claimed winner yet. Until Wednesday March 5....Dont listen to the polls .. anyone can vote on polls including a 5 yeard child.

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Dr. No — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:44:03 GMT

About the McCain voting it was just a joke. I spent six years in the Navy as a nuke and now have two friends who I will never see again.....yes. They are back home; but not before they went overseas. Sometimes I feel like a cop-out for joining the Navy when my comrades were on the ground. But I can tell you this: none of us knew the totality of what we were getting into. You may laugh and jeer, thinking "who would join the military at this time and not know?" Well, simple. Being young and stupid.

And now we know. And I say sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, not only do I miss my bros but I hate the people who sent us there to kill in the first place. 911 was one thing and we were all angry, but when it turned into this things quickly fell apart. All I know is that Hillary said yes for this ridiculous and stupid war whereas Obama said no.

That's all I need to know. That is ALL I need to know.

Dr. No

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DEM_2008 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:09:12 GMT

Has anyone thought about the Replublicans in TX? They can vote either way, an friend of mine in Dallas who is unfortunately a loyal Republican was even outraged that the State Republican party is urging Republicans to vote for Hilary to extend the campaign longier.

Allowing McCain to pool money while Clinton, and obama burn thier money trying to defeat each other while McCain cost to November.

Also, Republicans here in WV are signing to get Nader on the ballot. They are signing to get the 16000 votes required. Republicans are using the strategy to setup the democrates in NOV.

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weinschenk1 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:22:58 GMT

jerryalb's got it right. There are a lot of folks voting for Obama who will never vote for Billary. I should know, I'm a Texas Republican who early voted for Obama. If he's in the general election, he gets my vote. If it's Hillary, I'll bust my butt for McCain to send her down in flames. Hillary's lust for power is destroying the Democratic party and giving McCain tons of ammo for the general election. When are the Democratic Party elders going to take her to the woodshed and make her see the light.

And what's with this Clinton campaign incredibly contorted logic that Obama has to decisively win all four states tomorrow or he's shown he's not the front runner and his campaign is in big trouble. My gosh, just a few short weeks ago Clinton had double digit leads in both Texas and Ohio. In Texas, that lead's evaporated. What a stunning political achievement by Obama that the media seems to be blowing off. The bottom line is that if he keeps it close in both states, and there's a split between RI and VT, then Clinton picks up a couple of delegates. Big deal when you're down over a 100. Note to Clinton's campaign staffers Penn and Wolfson: quit insulting my intelligence.

C'mon you Demo's...get it right. Don't blow your best shot at the White House this year by giving Republicans like me a tired old retread of 90s politics.

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feduo — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:17:46 GMT

Although these two candidates are the totally worst the Democrats could come up with basing their candicy on race and gender. It is simply amazing Obama is so much like the Pied Piper luring away the young and not even running the rats out such as Ted Kennedy, Rezko, and his pal Farrakhan. They are right about one thing for sure our educational system is a disaster. Obama would serve the country best as say poster child for United Negro College Fund, Ambassador to the nation of Kenya, or a black Howdy Doody. Hillary would serve best by paying her debt to society in jail for theft of White House property.

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collegevoter — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:53:09 GMT

This is a Republican's dream. Hillary's splintering of the party is only going to help John McCain.

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neppy — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:54:58 GMT

Texas can go either way and both of them could walk away with some delegates there. 1/3rd for the caucus and 2/3 for the popular vote if I hear correctly. I think this will be Clinton's "March surprise" She will pick up votes & momentum and shame on Richardson or anyone who doesn't want to let the remaining states have thier say! It's onlu devisive if he and the rest of those windbags proclaim it so. It's fair and honest to finish the contests if she's getting decent numbers.

She's getting her wind back and he shouldn't be allowed to rest on a few laurels.

Bill Richardson is a gas bag who loves the attention. What is really happeing is that he's worried that the final delegaTE COUNT WILL BE TOO CLOSE AND IT WILL COME DOWN TO SUPERDELAGATES WHO WILL THEN SHOW THE VOTERS THAT THIER VOTES mEAN noTHING!!!

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collegevoter — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:56:40 GMT

Also agree with EagleSpirit Obama if he wins should pick a woman as V.P. Kathleen Sebelius, the popular two-term governor of Kansas who wiped out a $1.1 billion debt, would be my choice.

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yupik1 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:49:10 GMT

Everybody knows the Clinton camp is desperate to win so that Hillary can pardon her husband for illegally funding her Senatorial campaign. Why do you think she's so reluctant to release her tax return information until she gets the nomination?

Obama '08!

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harriscrl3 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:04:34 GMT

The Clinton campaign need to stop their nonsense about if Obama loses Texas and Ohio that means trouble for him. First of all it depends how much they win by if its 51/49 on what planet does that make them more viable since they've lost 11 straight by 33 points or more. Obama worked his way up from 20 points down they were on top and have been free falling since. In what state please tell me did they start behind Obama and work themselves up to come and over take him NONE NADA not even his home state where he was expected to win did they bring it even close. What about Missouri and Wisconsin have the Clinton forgotten those swing states. Their loses have been BAD coming from someone who was down 20 points. I cannot believe the media let them get away with that kind of spin but apparently the media is bias. They are bias all right but certainly NOT the way she thinks because if it was Obama that lost 11 in a row by 33 points he would be DONE there is no doubt about that. But the Clinton campaign can spin and act like 11 lost by 33 points means nothing. That somehow there is buyers remorse going on that they can just come around and think that they get superdelegates on their side and go on to the general election and stick Obama in the VP slot for good measure and let see how that work. My guess its going to tear the party in two and people will stay home even with Obama on the ticket.

Carol

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elections2008us — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:37:25 GMT

In Islam the concept of religious observance and “acceptance” works in a slightly different way than in Christianity. To a Muslim, there is no particular rite that would “mystically” make you a Muslim, unlike in other Abrahamic traditions (were you have circumcision and baptism). Simply stated, a child born into a Muslim family shares in the blessings of belonging to said righteous family. Within the traditions of the Shariah (Islamic Jurisprudence), a child’s father is the one that determines whether you are born a Muslim or not (this is also affirmed by the Qur’an itself). The concept is based on the Islamic belief that only a Muslim man should marry a non-believing woman, since he would be fairer to the non believer (and is also the “head” of the house), while a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non believer, since she could be abused and not allowed to practice her religion. This aspect would make any person born of a Muslim man a Muslim himself, similar to the Jewish matriarchal tradition in which a person is “Jewish” based on his mother’s affiliation. Further more, what makes a Muslim “complete” within his faith is the practice of Islam’s “five pillars”, which are spearheaded by the “shahadah” declaration, in which a person declares his basic understanding that “there is only one God and Mohammad is his prophet”, along with ‘daily prayer’, ‘fasting during Ramadan’, ‘alms-giving’ and ‘pilgrimage’ to Mecca. These are very important aspect of the Islamic religion which must be continuously observed as to fulfill the basic duties of a pious Muslim. Thus, any person who has either been born into Islam or has previously accepted the basic (shahadah) tenets of this religion, and has later “departed” or “fallen away” from them is, by Qur’anic definition, an apostate. What is the accepted Islamic punishment for such an act? Death, beheading being the most common form of it’s application.

Barack Hussein Obama has repeatedly mentioned that he is a Christian, unlike his father and most of his paternal family in Kenya who have been known in the region as wealthy and devout Muslims. Since Obama’s mother was a “secularist humanist” from the United States, and his father abandoned them when he was three years old, his religious beliefs seem to have grown independently of his Kenyan background. What he does not always mention to the public, although it is well known, is the fact that his step-father was also a Muslim from Islamic Indonesia, were Obama actually spent many years as a child. Maybe his upbringing had a lot more Islamic influence as he claims to have had. Nevertheless, all of these facts do matter when you take into consideration the issue of Obama’s religion and the subsequent consequences that it will have when we present him to the Islamic world as a badge of “pride” and as a supposed testament to our “progressiveness” as Americans. To most orthodox Muslims and Islamic Fundamentalists, Barack Obama is worse than any Christian evangelical President could ever be because to them, he is a traitor to Allah (subhana wu-ta-ala) and his Prophet. What does the Qur’an say about apostasy?

Surah 16:106 “Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion (his heart remaining firm in Faith, but such as open their breast to Unbelief), on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” In the traditions of the Prophet (from the highly respected Bukhari compendium) you will also find: Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17: “Narrated Abdullah: ‘Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.’” Based on this, and many other legal documents of Islamic jurisprudence, Barack Obama is an apostate and would be sentenced to death by the most lenient of judges if he were on trial (excepting some Shi’a courts were he would be given life imprisonment). What repercussions does all of this have on the United States?

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KYLE11LEVY7 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:40:07 GMT

WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR OBAMA HE WON'T EVEN SALUTE OR SAY THE PLEDGE OF THE AMERICAN FLAG WHAT FLAG WOULD BE HANGING OVER THE WHITE HOUSE IF HE GOT IN? WAKE UP AMERICANS !!!!! ACCORDING TO MUSLUM BELIEFS WE ,AMERICANS ARE THE INFADELS . HE SAYS HE IS A CHRISTIAN NOW THEN WHY WOULD HE IF SWORN IN NOT PLACE HIS HAND ON THE BIBLE BUT ON THE KIRAN (SPELLING????) AFTER 9/11 DO YOU ALL ACTUALLY WANT A PRESIDENT WITH THE NAME OF OBAMA LEADING OUR COUNTRY???????????YOU THINK OUR COUNTRY IS BAD OFF NOW -JUST WAIT IT WILL GET WORSE AND THERE WILL BE NO TURNING BACK .

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cowen123456 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:02:46 GMT

I believe it will be a tight race in Texas. However, I'm more inclined to say that Hillary will go over with the popular votes due to hispanic support. There are many serious issues facing the latino communities these days and they will come out in waves to make that votes count. However, Obama could win a few more delegates in Texas while loosing the popular votes. Hillary will win Ohio and by a bigger margin then most expect. Hillary's numbers has been surging in the poll...particular sulfollk, survey usa and masaon dixon...all three that predicted her winning margins in calfiornia while others had obama on top. Rhode island will be for HIllary without a doubt. Vermont will be very close probably with Obama on top. NC will be for Obama. At the end of the day, Hillary and Obama will split the states and HIllary will continue. The surprise that should be expected is for HIllary to sweep Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont...leaving only NC to Obama. I do not think there is any possibilities that Obama will have a sweep today.

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wylyam — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:12:54 GMT

It's amazing how, in this day of alleged enlightenment, people still fall for the mud smearing tactics of an overbearing and very corrupt political team over simple logic. First they spread rumors that Obama is a Muslim. This convinces a number of people that he must be a terrorist and thusly instills fear in the ignorant. Once that doesn't work they go for the experience tactic. They expect us to take into account the time that Billary spent as a FIRST LADY as political experience that qualifies her as the countries leader? As this clearly isn't working they dig EXTREMELY deep and find that he has made a land deal with a corrupt land developer. I guess those are hard to find? Totally ridiculous.

Here's the deal, Dems, if Obama gets the nomination there are many independents who will vote for him over McCain. If Clinton gets the nomination, we're voting for the Republican candidate. There are even many Republicans who will vote for Obama over McCain including my father who has voted Republican in every single presidential election since he reached voting age back in the 60's.

The latest comment by Billary shows how selfish she really is, saying that she will continue on no matter what and that it's "healthy" for her to stay in the race and continue to smear your potential candidate. Well, I suppose makes the job much easier for your rival party. I'm sure that McCain is extremely grateful to her for the help.

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cogitohopper — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:27:23 GMT

How can you claim losing a 20 point lead in 2 weeks as momentum win or lose?

Regardless of who wins the nomination the only way to make a real difference is to change the house and senate, If Hillary is the nominee 53% of the country already flat out opposes her. You can hope that a third party splits the field and she slides in without a majority. However, it is very likely that the vote against her will trickle to the local level and keep the house and congress too split for mandates. The best chance to expand the electorate is to have Obama on the ticket to inject a new population into the electorate.

If 1,000,000 people have given money to Obama's campaign that means there is probably 3,000,000 volunteers and dedicated supporters in the database. If these people are disenfranchised by party maneuvering they will be lost for at least another generation. If they are mobilized, they will be the greatest volunteer civically minded group to be tapped since Carter won.

Whatever you think of Carter's presidency he mobilized a whole generation to participate in society. The 'Obama Kids" are the kids of the Carter Generation, and to miss this opportunity would be the biggest shame of this all. The difference between know and the 70's is technology has allowed these people to be connected, and will make them easier to mobilize in the years to come.

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kdicello — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:58:06 GMT

Don't be 'forced' to vote for someone. Come November, WRITE IN A CANDIDATE. We have that right.

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ajsgrandad — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:22:49 GMT

"Audacity of Hope",

Obama really knew the perfect title of an autobiography. As the scorched earth tactics of the Clinton campaign is showing. It appears to me that her thinking is how dare he have the AUDACITY OF HOPE that he can be POTUS when I WANT AND NEED TO BE.

To me it appears that she is telling any and everyone with a pulse

"HOW DARE YOU HAVE AUDACITY TO HOPE THAT YOU CAN CHANGE ANYTHING, I AM HILLARY AND THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY IF YOU DO NOT DO AS I SAY!!"

"HOW DARE YOU HAVE AUDACITY TO HOPE THAT YOU THINK TO KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU, ONLY I KNOW WHATS BEST FOR YOU!!"

Well I for one am OFFENDED AND APPALLED that Hillary WOULD HAVE THE UNMITIGATED GALL TO INSULT MY INTELLEGENCE LIKE SHE HAS. For her to even imply that she doesn't have any baggage for the republicans will use against her can only means one of two things.

First is this, the young people who are coming out in droves to vote for the first time overwhelmingly support Obama they will automactically support her. She believes I am afraid that that IF she can somehow STEAL the democratic nomination that when the REPUBLICANS run ads that chronicles the lies, misdeeds and, violations of trust commited by the Clinton administration they will not know what they mean and just think that they are mean and picking on her because she a woman.

I for one HOPE "there's that word again" and believe that the young people knew these things already, thanks to internet all you have to do is 'google' her and Bill and find out the whole kit and kaboodle about the Clinton white house. This I feel is the reason for the overwhelming supprt for Barack among the youth.

The second and I feel the more serious problem maybe this. SHE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE!!!!!! She has been fond of saying lately "LET'S GET REAL" But the reality is this that without the results from ILLEGAL VOTES BEING COUNTED, HELLO FLA AND MI, SHE CAN NOT WIN ENOUGH STATES BY BIG ENOUGH MARGINS TO WIN THE NOMINATION. Now before the voters in Fl and MI go nuclear on me let me state unequivicably that if you want to assign blame for it BLAME YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MOVED THE DATES FOR THE PRIMARIES KNOWING THAT THE WOULD BY NULLIFIED!!!

The sad part about it is this if they hadn't you would probably be the next "FIREWALL" according to Hillary.

In MI there was NO-ONE ELSE ON THE BALLOT!!! ALL OTHER CANDIDATES VOLUNTARILY REMOVED THEMSELVES OFF OF IT, HILLARY DIDN'T!

To me this sounds VERY CLOSE TO THE KINDS OF ELECTIONS WE AND THE UN RAILS ABOUT SUCH AS THE SOVIET ELECTION OF MEDVE, MVEDEV, OH WHATEVER! IF THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD THE UN WOULD BE THERE TO NULLIFY THE RESULTS! I feel the UN will need to send peacekeepers in the make sure our election is on the up and up.

Next on to FL although everyone was on the ballots it was agreed by the candidates NOT TO CAMPAIGN in FLA. Hillary did, she ran ads urging the voters to vote for her anyway.

Okay, Sen. Clinton to quote you "Let's get real" and "hope doesn't pay your bills" You say that we shouldn't hope we should want results. I ask why can't I have hope? Because sometimes all you have IS HOPE! HOPE THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERNCE, HOPE THAT YOU CAN AFFECT CHANGE, HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUCCEED. IT SURE SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE HOPING TO COME BACK FROM A DEFICIT OF NEARLY 200 DELEGATES.

As you should know this country was founded and based on hope.

The founding fathers had THE AUDACITY OF HOPE THAT WHEN THEY WROTE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE THAT THE OTHER COLONIST AND OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD WOULD BACK AND SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM OF FREEDOM FROM BRITISH RULE. BECAUSE WITHOUT IT WHAT CHANGE COULD THEY HOPE TO HAVE ALONE.

PATRICK HENRY HAD THE AUDACITY OF HOPE THAT WHEN HE SAID "I DO NOT KNOW WHAT COURSE OTHERS MAY TAKE BUT AS FOR ME. GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!" HE HAD TO HOPE THAT OTHERS FELT AND WOULD DO THE SAME. BECAUSE WHAT COULD HE DO ALONE AGAINST THE BRITISH EMPIRE.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAD THE AUDACITY OF HOPE THAT HE COULD HEAL AND HOLD THIS THIS COUNTRY ACCOUNTABLE TO THE WORDS THAT WAS WRITTEN DOWN "FOUR SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS AGO" THAT "ALL MEN ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS..."

DR KING HAD THE AUDACITY OF HOPE THAT "ONE DAY ALL MEN WOULD BE JUDGED NOT BY THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN BUT BY THE CONTENT OF HIS CHARACTER'

JFK HAD THE AUDACITY OF HOPE THAT "THE US COULD SEND PEOPLE TO THE MOON AND BACK BY THE END OF THIS DECADE..."

So Sen. Clinton as you can see these are just some examples of THE AUDACITY OF HOPE this great country was based on. I ask you and your supporters to tell me when did hope become smething to be ashamed of? I have THE AUDACITY OF HOPE, hope that tonight that you will put your country ahead of your AUDACITY OF HOPE to be president. Unless you are unaware or just blissfully ignorant of the tone and demeanor this canpaign has taken you will see that as a result of your remaining in this race the democratic party is being torn apart. Your supprters are believing the BLATENT LIES ABOUT Sen Obama that have come from your campaign team. THERE IS SO MUCH HATRED AND DIVISION BEING BANTERED ABOUT BY BOTH SIDES THAT IT HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT YOUR VOTERS WILL NOT VOTE FOR SEN. OBAMA AND VICE VERSA BECAUSE OF YOUR SCORCHED EARTH ROVIAN TACTICS YOUR CAMPAIGN HAS UTILIZED FOR THE LAST WEEK. AS A RESULT WE WILL NEED EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT TO HEAL THIS COUNTRY BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOV.

BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT IF YOU DO NOT CONCEDE THE NOMINATION SOON THEN ALL THE DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE IS THE AUDACITY OF HOPE THAT THEY WILL WIN IN NOV.

Norman E Harvey, Sr

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buddyslinda — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:24:23 GMT

Worst Case Scenario: Obama v. McCain. For the first time in my 52 years as a voting adult, I will not cast a vote. McCain is too old, his politics to 60's. Obama may make a great president someday, but that day is not now. He is still wet behind the ears at this point. I believe Hillary is our only viable choice, and I am not really happy with her either. Hopefully, some business man tycoon type person will come forward and run on an independant ticket. Maybe then we will have a choice. I think in view of what our parties have offered us to this point, someone needs to look long and hard at the system

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rboos — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:30:26 GMT

It would be wise to resolve this issue soon. If there is a split or a sweep by Obama, Hillary should look out for her party and respectfully withdraw. The division they are creating between democrats is almost as staggering as the differences between the right and the left. This showdown has been great for politics and even better for America, but the fact is we still have conservatives and liberals in this country, and liberals need to stick together to insure that we won't have another conservative behind the closed doors signing the dotted line.

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drc-ct — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:31:14 GMT

Here's my prediction (and desired outcome)

HRC and BO split RI and VT. HRC wins OH and picks up a few delegates. And HRC wins the popular vote in TX by a very slight margin, BUT, BO wins more delegates. HRC gets to claim she "won" both OH+TX and can/should keep on fighting. BO gets to claim the delegate math is even tougher for HRC post March-4 as, even though HRC "wins" TX, he probably ends up winning more delegates, so HRC falls even fall further behind - plus his lead will grow with Wyoming and Miss. So he claims to win on delegates, she claims legitimacy based on big state wins. And they keep duking it out.

As a McCain supporter, this is the most exciting outcome...HRC launches more attack ads; BO responds, preparing the road for McCain to continue the same attacks - whoever wins. And HRC and BO chew up more $$$. I love it.

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Yzienk — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:31:55 GMT

I am starting to have mixed feeling about our Dem. For one thing, things were started to be real positive and optimistic about our two best candidates. Then, as one started to lose primaries, negative publicities start to dominate our conversation. Don't we understand that we are tearing down our own party? We are giving the Republican hope. The more this ridiculous rivalry continues between HC and BO, the further down we will drag our party.

Yes, HC has experience and surely she is a fighter. Yes, BO is inspirational, has shown good judgement in the Iraq war. Initially, we were thought it was conceivable to think of a dream ticket between the two. Now, that dream is completely unthinkable. What has happened to the message of love, of unity that both candidate have talked about in the months prior to this TX, OH thing.

Have we lost our mind because of politics? It remains to be seen what will happen if HC wins today. My feeling is that things will get so ugly that some of us will detest our own candidate. And that's good news for the Republicans. The proof is that we are currently starting to argue so irrationally between one another. Hm! HC supporters are bashing out BO supporters, and vice versa. Although BO supporters seems less harsh than HC supporters, I want to please ask everyone to think about the party's interest before their own self agenda.

One last point that I want to make is that I've seen many of you trying to tie HC with Bill Clinton's record. That's politically pure ignorance. How often that HC has stood up to say that she's her own person. And that's true. The BO camps have tried to tie her with Bill. That's also pure ignorance. Let the lady be her own person and judge her based on her merit and experience. (I don't ignore the fact that HC has tried in many occasion to link her experience with the success of Bill C.) If she's willing to do that, may-be both her supporters and BO's have a valid political point. But still, I think both should present themselve as a lone individual trying to capture our vote.

I will vote for whoever wins the nomination. But, I don't know if the enthusiasm for many Dems (especially the young ones) will remain the same if the nominee is not BO. That's what concerns me at this point. Aren't you concerned too?

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ajsgrandad — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:36:37 GMT

Posted By: barflors (March 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM)

THE CASTRATION OF THE WHITE MALE BY THE BLACK MALE

Better athlete, better lover, more intelligent! You have jsut proven this by giving him your vote. You have nothing left, not even your pride. You have been stripped of everthing because you're so consumed with your fear of women. Sad, very sad

How is this the castration of the white man? Give me an example of it because this is just an attempt to inject your obviously racist views in the race.

IF THIS IS THE KIND OF RACISM THAT SUPPORTERS OF HILLARY STAND FOR THEN I WILL VOTE FOR MYSELF IN NOV.

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ericsoka — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:09:36 GMT

Oh cares what Bill Richardson thinks and says. I like and respect Bill Richardson, but he could not even stay in the race until Super Tuesday and then did not even have the guts to endorse Hillary Clinton after holding (2) posts in the Clinton Administration.

I am very disenfranchised with some of these "Super Delegates" who have endorsed Barack Obama. They all know that Hillary is the best one, but probably because of petty differences with the Clintons have given their support to someone who does not have the experience to be President at this time.

GO HILLARY - Obama is starting to get some chinks in that shield of his!

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Sprachkundiger — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:15:46 GMT

This thread has been interesting--and amusing--at times, throughout its length, but now I see the many-headed hydra of the religious right rising out of the grass. To Mr DIN, Election2008, Kyli, et al: do you ever spend any time listening to news media or reading books, or listening to talk shows, that might suggest you reevaluate the truth of what is so dinned into your willing ears and pliant, all-absorbing minds, day after day, about the character of Barack Obama? In other words, the repeated lies that he is, was, or ever will be a Muslim. Step back and take a good look at your selves, folks! You are accusing him of posing a danger to America of bringing its people under the sway of a foreign (read HATED) religion, and yet that is EXACTLY the type of influence that you and your kind would like to exert on the American government: you would like to see "Christian" values permeate all levels of government and exert influence on all decisions, all legislation, even to the detriment of the many faiths that are practiced in this polyglot nation. Mr. DIN, while you are verbose, I commend you for at least coming across in in a rational-appearing, if sophist manner. It is often an attribute of hate-mongers that they can't even spell, let alone discourse intelligently. I have a sister and brother-in-law that belong to the religious right. They get their news(distorted, slanted), their beauty tips, nutritional tips, religious views, etc. through the religious right networks. Their world is a world of narrow, impoverished tunnel vision. I am reminded of something that the Minnesota author Sinclair Lewis said way back in the 40's:

When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible.

Here's one for you, Mr. Dim:

Oh snug are those who sleep/Beneath conviction's roof

Their floors are sturdy lumber/their windows weather-proof'

But I was born for other climes/ And cold sleep all my kind

For I was born to shiver/In the draft of an open mind.

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chersplace — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:02:10 GMT

Is Barack Obama Different.

Barack Obams has held him self out as different. As Honest. As believing in Transparancy in Politics. As someone who doesn’t deal with special interest groups, as someone who promises to bring Change to Washington.

This is the whole premise of his campaign. If we find out that the man is not being Honest, Is hiding things, Is taking money from special interests, Is presenting FALSE HOPE, then what else does he have to offer?

I think that if the media had scrutinized him over the last few months, the way they will start to do if he wins the nomination, we would be having a very different primary.

So many of his supporters are going to be very disappointed.

I originally thought I would support Barack Obama, but after reading his books and looking into whatever information I could find out on my own I changed my mind..

If the Media were reporting on the questionable aspects of this man I think many people will react the way I did. I am terrified of this man sitting in our Countries Highest office.

Those of you who accuse Hillary of being dishonest and anything else you can think of, consider this.

80 Million dollars was spent by Ken Starr to investigate the Clintons and yet all they could find to try to get him out of the white house was Monica Lewinsky.. I think that all of this just goes to show that the Clintons have been under attack by the Republican Party for a very long time and yet after 80 Million dollars all they could finally do was try to destroy them based on a very personal problem which had nothing to do with his performance as our Predident.

Think about this, If we spend 80 Million dollars of taxpayer money to investigate Barack Obama what might we find out?

I read this article and thought it was extremely informative. Remember Barack Obama says he will be DIFFERENT..

From Boston.comBy Scott Helman, Globe Staff | August 9, 2007

But behind Obama’s campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama’s campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.

In Obama’s eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns — $296,000 of $461,000 — came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.

Obama’s US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton’s Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.

In addition, Obama’s own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions — including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries — to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.

(IT APPEARS HE WAS BUYING SUPPORT FOR HIS CAMPAIGN LONG BEFORE THE ELECTION STARTED.)

IF THIS IS THE CANDIDATE OF CHANGE, REMEMBER THAT CHANGE IS NOT ALWAYS POSITIVE.

PRESIDENT BUSH BROUGHT US CHANGE. BUT THAT CHANGE HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD THING.

A CHANGE FROM THE PROPEROUS CLINTON PRESIDENCY TO A RECESSION.

HILLARY CLINTON IS THE ONLY CANIDATE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO WIN AGAINST MCCAIN, AND THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BRING ABOUT THE POSITIVE CHANGE THAT OUR COUNTRY NEEDS.

One last thing, On the issue of his campaign reassuring Canada that he didn't mean what he was saying about Nafta. There are two ways to look at this. Either it is true, and he lied when he said it never happened and that would be very troubling.

Or what he said about he made that statement based on theinfomation he had is true.

And yet he has non stop criticized hilllary for making a decision based on the information she had. And he should have had a much easier time getting the correct information from his campaign than she had getting the correct information from the Bush Administration. So either way this reflects badly on him in my opinion.

PLEASE VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR OUR NEXT PRESIDENT. THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT AND THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THIS HIGHEST OFFICE.

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beachthugs — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:47:08 GMT

What's your prediction for the fight Clubber?

PAIN !!!

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plantit — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:53:06 GMT

Hillary Clinton should absolutely NOT get out of the race! How sexist and racist is that! She is so close in the polls to Obama that it is unrealistic that she leave! All of his warts are FINALLY coming to surface! We who have seen through him for so long, and would vote for a Republican to our our dismay, are glad that the Media has finally burst the bubble of fog surrounding his campaign. He has secrets he's hiding from us gang! They are not getting into the Media until now and the hail storm has yet to come! Give Hillary a chance. In another week the secrets of Obama might be so much that people in the Democratic Party need another choice and will come back to Hillary. If she were to come out before anyone even has enough Delegates to qualify we would be left with this Snake Oil Salesman who has been drugging his followers much like Jim Jones did. John McCain would overwhelmingly win! Hillary has a darn good chance of beating McCain! She is actually more of a Centrist then he is and that is what our Country needs to get anything done in the White House. McCain sides with the Kennedys and all Liberals and that is also why the Kennedys love Obama, he votes with them. Is that what you want? Hillary is the only one that can change things in reality as she bows down to NO ONE! She is going to lead for US not the Politicians! Why do you think she has so many Generals stumping for her instead of OLD PARTY Policiticans who don't want to change anything at all! They like it the way it is! They want their own people in! No matter what you think, Hillary cares about this Country and cares about us and is the only one running who does! I think you have seen through Obama with the Canadian NAFTA scandal, the Reizko scandal and the Larry Sinclair UTUBE Video that everyone refuses to air! How, come Obama, he is challenging you to a Lie Detector Test! You ignore him. I'm very curious and so should the American people be as to who you really are! Hillary, don't leave us until you are President and then lead on!

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way2cheap — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:54:51 GMT

Do Democrats realize that they have basicly given the November election to a Republican because Obama supporters will not flip to Clinton or the other way around. Democratic primaries should have been winner take all. Now they will pay the price later on.

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leatha1 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:02:47 GMT

Susan N said it all. Look at the contribution article...no way is that right. People are being told to cross over and vote for Obama because the Republicans thinks he will be an easy target to beat in the fall. People better wake up. Hillary is her own person...strong, decisive, and a work horse. She already has contacts in foreign countries, she knows how the middle class is being shorted. The middle class was surviving nicely in the 90's. She too has said shw wants to start taking troups out of Iraq...the media said...ahhhh..Obama will take troups out and there is where we will be saving money. Welll BOLOGNA...people...it is media bias...AGAIN!

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tlute52 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:06:13 GMT

Bottom line - The candidate for change in Washington is one that does not have the experience to implement change. He does not have a track record that suggests he will make an effort to change Washington. The change that we can expect, based on his record is one of unprecedinted, uneducated youthful vote and someone who is willing to stand on the sidelines with the tough issues. Obama is an amazing speaker (which is a welcome change to our current administration), but says little to nothing of substance. He speaks about the wonderful strategies he will implement to bring about revolution in our country, yet he abstains from voting on the hard issues in his home state (during his tenure as a state legislator) and when he is appointed as a committee chairperson for issues that relate to the war in Afghanistan (which he has been since Jan 2007), he refuses to have any meetings. Should we expect that this man is really capable of leading a nation or even making a decision on which side of the bed to get out of when he can not so much as vote anything except "present" on real issues or try to "take the bull by the horns" when he has the opportunity to improve the situation for our troops in Afghanistan?

Obama was born a muslim. Who cares? This is a country that should imbrace racial and ethnic variances. What does concern me is something that another person who posted mentioned. When born a muslim and living the religon (which is actually quite similar to Christianity) through many of his years, then denouncing it in an effort to kill the obvious issues associated with being part of a religon who we currently, as a nation, tend to be scared of (due to a lack of education), the Muslim Holy Book says that punishment should be death. It is a far greater slap in the face to the arab nation, as a person who denounced Islam, for him to make an effort to affect peace. It is something that will be resisted to an enormous degree by the entire arab world. This leaving a greater state of chaos and center for those radical factions to grow than currently exist in Iraq. This combined with Obama's desire to immediately withdraw troops from the region will leave only one result. Is this really what we want for our country and our world?

Regardless of anyone's stance on whether or not Iraq should have been invaded initially, we are there. There is a mess. It needs to be fixed. Iraq did not bomb itself and for our country to require that they cleanup after us is ridiculous, plain and simple. We need a President who can work through the existing chaos. Someone who has been in the political forefront for years. Someone who has and will navigate the political arena with effectiveness and will not abstain from a vote because he does not want to make enemies or piss someone off.

I have voted republican since I started voting in 1997. My candidate is McCain. Unfortunately, I think that because GWB's mismanagement of the military and economy has wrecked McCain's chances of winning. If I am stuck with one of these tax raising, tree hugging, hippies who think that everyone is born with the right to make the same wage and live the same life, rather than getting out and busting your butt to do well(which I fear is what I will be stuck with), I hope like hell that Hillary finds her way back to Washington.

We all want "hope" that our country will be left better for our kids than the way we received it. We all want to believe that there is some miraculous person just waiting to pop up and be the answer to all of our prayers. A snake oil miracle rub that fixes everything that is wrong. One person, President or not, does not have that power. No matter how much Obama wants to lead change (though his track record does not suggest it), he does not have the power, political savvy or experience to suggest that he can make it happen.

We are screwed. Of the Dems, Hillary will screw us the least simply by having realistic plans and expectations

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cougarkj — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:43:09 GMT

If Clinton had shown her true colors earlier in this race she wouldn't even be a factor. Her behavior over the past few weeks has been demoralizing to the party, to the women she claims to represetn and to the country. She should retire from public life all together.

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tlute52 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:12:16 GMT

If we are going to elect someone who is looking for change and we dont really care about experience, is it too late for me to throw my name in? I was student council president in highschool and I never voted "present". I always took a tough stand on issues like where we should put a new soda machine.

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tlute52 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:13:35 GMT

I was never military either.

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Comfortable — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:22:00 GMT

Let us see what happens if Clinton gets Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island.

Result - she is still the loser.

Clinton has put personal desire ahead of either party or country. WHat is worse is that there is a mysterious 'body' of supposedly Democratic supporters who favour Hillary Clinton and yet all they post here and on other threads is 'if Obama wins I will vote for McCain'! That really sounds like an orchestrated fear/threat tactic, one of course which is reprehensible, but it is strange that around 92% of such threads are supporters of Clinton.

As Bill Richarson said, whoever has the most votes at the end of tonight will be the winner. Here he may have been speaking knowledgably because it is reported widely now that there is a block group of 50+ heavy weight super delegates ready to declare for Obama if Clinton does not withdraw after tonight. Clinton needs needs at least a 10% clear winning margin in Ohio and Texas to stop this heavy weight super delegate block announcing either later tonight or tomorrow.

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besmart — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:33:51 GMT

It is precisely this separation among democrats that will get McCain elected. Are you people insane?! How can you say "I will never elect a Clinton" or "It's Hillary or no one" and still claim to be a democrat!!! This is a republican dream come true. Get off your high horse and remember that we are voting for similar policies - if you are not willing to unite with your fellow democrat when it is time to make it count, go register as an independent or republican immediately!!! We don't need any more party dividers like you. Some of you have already given up the fight by declaring it seems McCain is going to win --- DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!! These are both outstanding candidates, we are so blessed to have such strong representation, don't go screwing it up based on negative hype and "never will I ever" statements before the actual nomination. PLEASE....