An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

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MrHegemony — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:55:18 GMT

As much as I am a fan of Obama winning and choosing somebody else such as Feingold, Biden, or even Richardson...there seems to be a growing, undeniable logic to an Obama/Clinton ticket. And I think it's safe to say that together they could steamroll McCain/Anyone.

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KurtMichaels — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:11:14 GMT

Interesting article, but does anyone disagree that Hillary would allow Obama to join her ticket if that is what it took to avoid a party bloodbath -- but only as long as SHE was at the TOP? On the other hand, although in theory her statement implies she might take the other position, her ego would never allow her to take the second position, where she could be muzzled at will by a President Obama. Never. Ever. She's too selfish and self-contered.

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cheeseman forever — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:25:19 GMT

If Clinton feels Obama is unfit to be commander in chief, why does she feel he is fit to be Veep? Either the "3am" spot is disingenuous or the idea she floated today is cynical...or both.

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LLWilson — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:25:53 GMT

The very best thing Clinton and Obama could do for this country is to join together and sweep the Republicans out of office. Together, they would be unbeatable! My fear is that a race with either of them alone against McCain (and especially if Obama is the nominee) would be uncomfortably close. Obama just does not have the experience it takes to win this election. So whichever of the two gains the nomination, the other should graciously accept the VP Position. After all, the VP can run again in 8 years! obama--listen up....you can run again in 8 years!

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glad2banamerican — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:30:54 GMT

Funny enough, I've always thought of this (Clinton/Obama) ticket before the Primaries even began.

Who in their right mind would play second fiddle to her ever changing personality? I would imagine if the phone actually rang at 3am, she probably delegate the task of initialy answering to Vice President Obama. Of course she'd demand a full REPORT first thing in the morrning. For him it would certainly be four long years of "Damed if you do, Damed if you don't".

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Mary934 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:32:53 GMT

I do not agree that Hillary and Obama should be on the same ticket, as if Obama is on the ticket, I would not vote. None of us know anything about this wonderful savior/messiah and I for one just do not trust him. Just because he espouses all of the wonderful things he is going to accomplish , these are just words, empty words. First of all, he is not electable, maybe in another time, after he has proven himself, maybe he could try again. But not now. Please Hillary do not make him your running mate. You will lose a lot of votes if you do. Get Bill out on your campaign trail, the most popular President there ever was.

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mlbuie — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:34:17 GMT

Oh, please! They are SUPPOSED to dsicredit each other! It is a contest for a chance at the highest office in the land. Her attacks are not disingenuous nor cynical. They are an attempt to win. If Obama can do it to, without hurting his "above the fray" image, he should cut her down a notch or two, also.

But, I think it would be harder for Obama to be #2; he definitely would be marginalized by Bill's participation. And I think Obama is more likely to share power in everyone's best interest, but Hillary likes to do it her way or no way at all.

Hillary needs to be the #2.

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Hope for the world — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:34:19 GMT

If Sen. Obama accepts a joint ticket he will lose his credibility. He stands for integrity, change, judgement and not dirty politics à la Clinton. I truly hope he won't disappoint his supporters and the whole world who's watching carefully. It is time to show that the country who voted Bush twice can do much better. It is time to say NO to media manipulation, too.

Yes YOU can!

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Michael Winston — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:36:18 GMT

In considering your update, I don't think it matters which seat either of them sit in. I think they will play the same roll either way, meaning the rolls you assigned them. Clinton will be very focused on internal affairs and Obama will be the statesman. I think what it comes down to is who wants to be around for twelve to sixteen years. As Veep, Clinton might stay on, granted she'll be eight years older, to be the first woman president and finish out any unfinished business, but I doubt she would stay for the full second eight. Obama as a fully experienced and international statesman will undoubtedly be around for sixteen years, unless he does something horribly wrong somewhere along the way. Obama for sixteen will probably give us a Republican controlled congress is his second term, though. Either way, I like the ticket.

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brian.reach — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:40:29 GMT

I think Obama as VP would be a much better outcome - that means 16 years of Dems in the White House!

Don't forget Florida and Michigan! If Clinton fights to give them their voice, they won't like Obama's dissent!

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mhotchkiss4 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:42:51 GMT

If it get's her out of the race i'd live with it . . . but i would just give him one word of warning . . . watch your back, the Clinton's will stop at nothing to be in power!!!

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The Eagle Spirit — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:46:23 GMT

I am sure a Clinton Obama ticket would be contradicting all things both Clintons have put forth in this campaign and cause great conflicts if they did win the election. Obama would be a lot better off choosing a running mate at this time and quickly from all the possible choices of other qualified and ready to serve women already holding office in our Country. I was even thinking he could run his own wife as a running mate or am I wrong? We sure do not need a Clinton in the White House. The Clintons have been there and this Country needs the Changes available with an Obama White House. If Obama chooses a Woman now as his running mate we would have a choice giving us A woman as well as a Black Man still giving us a First in both counts. Believe me when I say race does not matter. I have eaten at all cultures tables and treated better than some white and more honest and trustworthy. People from Mexico are harder workers than most whites they replaced because they need jobs and security. Whites replaced by Mexican Workers won't work if you give them a job. So lets not be playing the race card here. Lets play, education, knowing what the working class needs, realizing it is time for Universal Health Care, Jobs for those that will work with security and get us out of a war we were lied to about. We also need someone like Obama that can see we have lost too many of our Freedoms and Privacy. Treason has a punishment for Govenment Officials as well as others giving away our Military Secrets, Telling our enemies where our President and Government officials are setting them up for assassination or harm, embezzling the money of the citizens of this country, anything harmful to our fine citizens. We need the firing squads working 24/7 getting rid of these criminals.

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Mary934 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:50:23 GMT

No way, a Clinton/Obama ticket. What a disaster that would be. I want nothing to do with Obama, don't trust him, don't know anything about him. I don't want to elect a President with no experience! We would have the same diasterous Presidency that we now have with the present administration. Of course the Republicans would love to see Obama win the Nomination as then they know McCain would win the Presidency. The Republicans have all the Media in their hip-pockets as they did last time when they voted Bush in. G. Bush invited all of the talk-show hosts to a luncheon in the White House. Remember thtat anyone?

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tired and old — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:52:47 GMT

Hillary Clinton wants to be king not court jester. Clinton on ticket would cause many voters to switch to John Mc Cain. If Senator Obama has her on the ticket, He will show Americans that he is not ready to lead.

Hillary Clinton is scum at best. It is unfair to those that live in trailer homes to refer to her as trailer trash.

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Trenda — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:53:18 GMT

It's a coin toss.

Really, they should just flip for it.

Otherwise, we'll have to listen to months of who hates NAFTA more, when we all know that neither one of them will touch NAFTA.

Or months of who has a better plan for universal health care, when our CURRENT health sysem is literally breaking apart at the seams.

Or months of "Who do you want to answer the phone at three in the morning?" ("Bill, would you get that?)

Really, this is getting so old. And it makes me forget how much I detest George Bush.

Let's go back to listening to Rush and Ann curse out John McCain - that was soooo much fun!

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paulnorth — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:05:10 GMT

I've not made up my mind who I'd support in the general election, but I like most people thought that an Obama-Clinton ticket just would make him look like he settled. But one thing became very clear to me last night while I watched the returns... that Sen. Clinton, for all her polarizing ability, has the potential to fight and to win. I don't think that her at the top of the ticket would be tantalizing, because the Republicans would push it hard and honestly, McCain might squeeze out a win of 4 or 5 points. But with Obama on the ticket and Clinton as a veep, it would send the message of change cubed. Obama would speak to the nation's need for vision, and Clinton would speak the the nation's need for trench work. It think it could work.

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Kerri — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:05:27 GMT

I don't agree with Obama's comment: "it's premature..." I think he should flat out say...She's LOSING. Why in the world would the leader of both delegat and popular vote even consider a shared ticket? She's trying to catch up to him, not the reverse. Do the math, she only gained 4 more delgates after all was said and done BUTWAIT THERE'S MORE: he picked up two superdelegates today! That cuts her journey from the dead down to a whopping two delegates. A forced ticket with the Clintons on it is a sure victory for John McCain't.

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furrlessgerbil — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:08:33 GMT

NO!!! She is too corrupt! Her as VP still unites the republicans. He should choose Bill Richardson, that would be a better ticket.

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middleman — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:08:52 GMT

I'm sure Sen. Clinton would be every bit as faithful and useful as a Vice President to Sen. Obama as Jefferson was to Adams.

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Janbury — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:10:34 GMT

What people are failing to see is the thousands of Independents that are backing Obama will vote for McCain if Hillary is the nominee. Sadly, this is also true if both Clinton and Obama are on the ticket with Hillary the nominee. People are talking about how that vote will split but it won't. I also know that there are many well placed Republicans who will vote quietly for Obama not only because they do not like McCain but because they believe Obama can actually make the changes needed. How do I know that? Because I know these people in five states.

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paulnorth — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:12:03 GMT

HERE'S AN IDEA THAT I KNOW NO ONE HAS POSTED! What if Obama and Clinton made a never before seen agreement, and broadcasted it to the nation. Ok, here it goes.... They agree to share a ticket for 16 years. The first 4 with Obama as Prez and Clinton as VP (since Obama has the votes and overturning it would turn people off - even the appearance of it). The next term, Obama bows and allows Hillary to be Prez and he work as VP. In this term, she would focus on her items of interest and Obama can fulfill things unfinished in his first term. The next re-election, he would return as President, and her as VP and so on. I know it sounds crazy, but it would captivate the country and if they did it right and vowed to work successfully, it would be a never before seen partnership that would be remembered far beyond the likes of George Washington, Abe Lincoln, John Kennedy - and they'd both become AMERICAN ICONS!

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happy voter — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:12:56 GMT

Hillary should be the number one choice to head the ticket. Obama as vice might be a good idea. But not the other way around. Remember the debates? It was always Obama agreeing with Hillary's positions!!! The only difference between the two was the vote for the war issue and frankly that has been run into the ground way too often. Obama didn't vote against the war and his decision was safe in speaking against the war t the time.

He hasn't demonstrated the leadership to impress me for the number one spot. Compare his record in the senate of the United States and for that matter in the state of Illinois to Hillary's. Just read her bio and folks there is no comparison to who is the most qulified candidate!!

The economy is the most important issue this election year and Hillary has the plan and solutions for the Bush mess she will inherit.

When I read the other blogs and the sarcastic remarks made about her makes me ill. Catty women who shrill the words liar and cheat without justification and men who must think the ONLY qulifications for a presidential candidate is the hormone testosterone should stay home on election day as your judgements are ridiculous!

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stjohnmonk — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:18:09 GMT

Hillary is now almost telling Obama that she is going to be the nominee, and if Obama doesn't

beware she will sink his ship at the convention. I'm wondering how you blacks feel about the way her bunch of idolizers have been making accusations about Barack, the blacks in this country are getting a dose of who is for them, and as long as they don't rock the boat she just might consider Obama for a place on the ticket. So according to Clinton, Barack you should throw in the towel

and give her free reign. I know if I were a black person I would be highly insulted by the way

Obama is being treated by his own party. You haven't been in Washington long enough Obama

and it isn't your turn to run for such a high office. You have treated this woman with respect and

look where it's got you, so get out now Obama and make way for the Wicked Witch.

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jbach002 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:18:41 GMT

I don't believe that that will happen. Hillary would have to win 60% of all the remaining states just to pass Obama due to the proportional allocation, and that won't happen. However, even if Clinton wins pennsylvania 55-45, Kentucky 55-45, and Indiana 55-45. Obama is only 150 delegates out. Supers will be more likely to go to him, let alone defection from Clinton's supers. She's like a dying patient on a feeding tube, she's just delaying the inevitable.

But I don't think Obama should use clinton, she has way too many negatives. I think Obama ought to use a female governor because it shoves McCain into a corner on domestic policy and would cripple the GOP attack machine. So I think Obama should pick Kathleen Sebelius, make the conversation all about domestic policy.

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paulnorth — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:20:46 GMT

An Obama-Clinton Ticket would be very interesting. The fact is that he would speak to vision and she would do the trench work. If he invested himself and looked to Clinton as a trusted aide and mentor, even if he was the president, it would be amazing. Let her be at his side at all times. Every now and then pull a "Vice-President Clinton will take the questions on this, and we've agreed that she will handle the direction on this - she has my full support and trust." - when it came to a crisis or something he could handle but didn't have to handle. Then in 8 years, she'd run for one term and feel confident because of how fulfilling her last 8 years as VP was.

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paulnorth — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:22:41 GMT

An OBAMA-CLINTON ticket would work. Here's how Obama could use it. Allow Hillary to be a strong VP. Stronger than Gore and defer to her on issues. Allow her to lead and treat her as an trusted mentor. Then, when she's going for Prez in 8 years, she would nominate Michelle Obama as VP. Two women, black and white - would bring the vote out like crazy. Imagine if all of Hillary's votes and Barack's vote going for the same ticket, women, African-American, Men, etc. WOW!

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paulnorth — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:22:44 GMT

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jayhimani — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:25:41 GMT

Well, Obama is sitting in the glass house would not dare to throw a stone on Hillary's home. Obama is also friend of a terrorist who was part of the 2001 Pentagon bombing. Obama is long time (15 years) friend of Tony Rezco-corrupt mafia of Lebanon. Obama also has some involvement with his church minister who is under IRS investigation. Obama has good connection with radical Muslim leader Farrakhan. Obama is hiding his middle name for long time, why? This is nothing but a deceiving practice before even becoming president. What not he will do when he becomes president?

If you dont want to believe Hillary's experience, go to CBS news "on the Record." and look for both. Reading this, even Hillary's enemies will bow to her feet. Hillary in 1973, just out of Yale Law School, helped children's defense fund and school drop out. Obama speech is good but he stutters a lot too. If he becomes President under pressure he will stutter to the extent that it will look very bad. John Mccain also does not know how to talk. Let us be fair to the DP. DP is our family and we must work constructively. We need Hillary as president and may be Obama as VP.

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lamm01 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:26:51 GMT

Only if it's Clinton on top. However, I would feel very uncomfortable with Obama in the cabinet. I'd rather have someone of substance like Bill Richardson. He would pick up the rest of the latino/hispanic vote and the man has substantial depth in foreign policy and national security. As for the comment below from stjohnmonk, I find his comments rather offensive. You have portrayed Hillary as some kind of witch and *itch. Well, you know the saying, "*itchs" get things done. Carry one, Hillary. We're behind you 100% but will desert in favor of McCain if Obama is anywhere near the ticket.

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OBAMAin08 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:28:28 GMT

I don't think that a joint ticket is the right move for Obama. He can win the nomination on his own. Are you forgetting the math is the math. I don't think Obama would want two Clinton's back-stopping his initiatives on health care and the economy. Also as an Independent I would really find it hard to support the Democratic Party with Hillary Clinton on the ticket, maybe Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas or the governor of Arizona would be a better choice.

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stjohnmonk — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:31:05 GMT

How many times have I heard the phrase, "Dumbed down" well I have finally gotten to

believe that statement. How dumb can the American public be, if either Hillary or Obama

win the presidency this country is heading deep into socialism. With McCain he will grant

amnesty to illegals, so he's no better than Hillary and Obama. The only thing to save this country from more disasterous programs and taxes is a good Independent candidate, and the only one

that could stem the ties of socialism(communism) is someone like Romney. I hope the majority of Americans come to their senses and get off this hysteria bandwagon that will take us off the

cliff to chaos.

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Ringneck1 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:31:50 GMT

Any tivket with Clinton on it will lose not only my vote but also the 50 percent of the Democrats who DO NOT WANT HER.

Did you all know that Bill Clinton has a black son who is now about 24 years old in Australia.

So Chelsea has a Black 1/2 brother? Try the following link:

http://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/danny.htm

Also a web/google search for "Clinton Scams" will really open your eyes, I know I don't ever want them again.

Have fun

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cookiemonster — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:31:57 GMT

Obama has ran his campaign on high ideals, ethics and a sense of moral correctness. Hhe can continue that as a candidate. Should Hillary win the nomination (and I don't see how that is really possible), and ask Obama to join her...he would have to abandon all three of those. A Clinton campaign/presendency would revolve around #1. Ensuring re-election #2 no sense of ethics -look at the lies and distortions she and her minions put out every day, and #3 no more sense of any form of morality other than the hogwash we saw during the last eight Clinton years. Obama could not tarnish hinmself with the Clinto "sheen" and have any credibility with the millions that are learning to admire him.

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paul962 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:35:02 GMT

Never going to happen.

Hillary chose to inaugurate civil war within the democratic party.

The only ticket she will be on is McCain's for doing such a fine job of being his water girl.

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Rocky2001 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:41:22 GMT

Both Obama or Clinton will need a Democratic Majority to achieve anything from their proposed agenda's. If this is not the case I would rather have the most experienced person running the country. If Obama wins the nomination, I (as an independent) will vote for Mcain. I know all of the pundents think independents will go for Obama, I'm one that won't.

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JoshCrow — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:50:25 GMT

Huh, you know, the idea of an Obama/Clinton ticket is not half bad -provided she can check her ego for long enough to see that this combination has two distinct advantages: 1) it doesn't disrupt or upend the fact that Obama is going to reach the convention with more delegates, and 2) it balances their strengths and unifies the party.

Ambinder's analysis is dead-on... as much as I haven't been thrilled with how Hillary's campaign has been going, I can certainly live with the idea of her as a VP. Would she accept a running mate slot? That's all on her. My gut says no, but I can always have the audiacity of hope. Hah.

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just jerry — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:51:58 GMT

She has won the big states so critical in a national election for democrats. I don't think this will be overlooked by democratic party leaders. Both a good candidates, except in the eyes of those so committed to one that they have come to hate the other. A dream ticket is impossible for them to consider. Meanwhile party leaders have to focus on the benefits Barack and Hillary both bring as they decide where the superdelegates will go. Once again with two great candidates deciding that isn't going to be easy, but the importance of the states she has won won't be overlooked in a rush to judgment so many would like to see. just jerry

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cnn357 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:52:22 GMT

I dont think Hillary is gonna win, but if she did, Bill would be VP. Obama couldnt get a word in if he was VP under her

and if Obama wins, no way is she taking orders from Barack, and what is Bill gonna do?

sit on his hands for 8 yrs?- he couldnt keep himself in check for the 1st 3 states of the primary

Obama/Bloomberg '08

The real Dream Ticket

Mccain would get CRUSHED on the economy,

Bloomberg would bring Republicans galore, not to mention (I)s and (D)s

and all of NY

But he is a friend of Mccains so he may go with him

it would look like the grumpy old men ticket though

Clinton/Edwards

Maybe

Hillary is the problem with a joint ticket - its gonna be the Billary Show no matter what

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feduo — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:53:49 GMT

Andrew you left out this scenario. Let's say Obama -Clinton ticket and they win. As we all know Obama often refers to MLK and JFK both being martyrs. On the other hand the Clintons have a string of untimely deaths attributed to them. Maybe Hillary could be the president by letting Obama have the office for at least before the innauguration. Remember JFK and LBJ. AFter all history does repeat itself.

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Vjinne — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:54:16 GMT

I have thought from the beginning that a Clinton/Obama ticket would be an ideal situation. I think Mr. Obama has some very good qualities, but he is not yet ready to take on the presidency. After some seasoning and time and experience as V-P, he may be ready. But it will never be an Obama/Clinton ticket. She is too strong a woman to be run by Obama--and his lovely, ambitious wife. And I don't think Obama would ask her anyway because he knows she knows more than he does and he cannot control her.

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Emmy's Dad — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:58:35 GMT

If, as we are hearing, that as many as 25% of Clinton supporters will shift to McCain if Hillary is not the candidate, the joint venture could be politically savvy.

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memphis — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:59:39 GMT

a couple of months ago an obama-hiliary ticket looked unbeatable and probably still is but the way she has " thrown the kitchen sink" at some one in her own party and the kitchen sink was full of lies and nasty tactics and remember the "shame on you" when it was really substance and truth in the fliers she is a person who will say,do,lie,cheat,scratch, and steal to get back in the white house. that just say old politics he does not need her and neither does this country. she would tarnish everything he is building the people of this country are starving for change but as lond as there is a clinton around we will not have that change. i was a huge clinton fan but when i see her face on tv i get sick to my stomach she should have been a republican!!!!! if by some ungodly way hiliary becomes the nominee i just like millions of other demorcrats will swallow our pride and vote for mccain because at least we know what we get with him

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KaiDavis — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:02:33 GMT

Clinton is NOT an executive. She has not run anything, ever, except Hillarycare into the ground. And she doesn't really have foreign policy experience either --she was just first lady. Obama needs someone with solid foreign policy experience or at least a military person to challenge McCain. He could get another Edwards' like person with military experience to shore up Clinton's lower-income base, and women will not give up suffrage or vote Republican in droves just because she's out (would they put their children at risk? remember? think not). I like Obama/Dodd or even Obama/Edwards over Obama/Clinton.

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AUSTELL — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:03:54 GMT

Obama will never share a ticket with Hillary. Hillary represents everything that Obama is tryng to change. Just look at how she won by deceit. That's okay as we all should know about the scales of balance. Obama don't need her to win.

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aalmaguer — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:05:51 GMT

Just in case yall have not noticed she is only 3000 votes behind the popular vote. I think what is going to happen is she will carry the popular vote and he will carry the delegate count. Which she can then say I have the popular vote and the large states and would win over the superdelegates easily. Then Obama would have no other choice VP or nothing. Clinton/Obama 08'

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crogers210 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:10:30 GMT

In response to Bill's illegitmate son, Danny Williams, maybe you should check out this article that was posted:

http://www.jdlasica.com/articles/drudge.html

Besides, Bill isn't running for President, Hillary is and I don't think that she should be held accountable for his actions.

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jackjack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:10:56 GMT

The suggestion of a Clinton/Obama ticket is fantasy. Why? HISTORY.

One of the most prominent items on Clinton's legislative agenda was a health care reform plan, the result of a taskforce headed by Hillary Clinton, aimed at achieving universal coverage via a national healthcare plan. Though initially well-received in political circles, it was ultimately doomed by well-organized opposition from conservatives, the American Medical Association, and the health insurance industry. However, John F. Harris, a biographer of Clinton's, states that the program failed because of a lack of co-ordination within the White House. Despite his party holding a majority in the House and Senate, the effort to create a national healthcare system ultimately died under heavy public pressure. It was the first major legislative defeat of Clinton's administration.

Two months later, after two years of Democratic Party control under Clinton's leadership, the mid-term elections in 1994 proved disastrous for the Democrats.

This was the first time the Democratic Party had lost control of both houses of Congress in 40 years.

BOTTOM LINE:

After a Clinton presidency there would be NO third term for the Democrats. When the Clintons win, the Democratic Party LOSES.

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JakesAddis — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:13:15 GMT

One appeal of an Obama-Clinton ticket is that the VP candidate normally acts as attack dog - a role that Clinton has shown to be comfortable with during recent week's negative blitz against Obama - and she has now even proven that she can be somewhat effective in undermining the credibility of her opponent in using these methods.

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republican 48 years now Obama voter — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:17:38 GMT

NOT A 2 FOR 1 SALE

I was appalled by Hillary's comment today hinting at a possible Democratic ticket with Obama as her Vice President...rediculous and offensive...trying to sweep Obama supporters under her corrupt umbrella...she is soooo manipulative and lacks ethics...

Besides, we all know Bill would be her VP.

My opinion is that Barack needs to immediately, decisively and emphatically reject any interest in being a part of the any Democratic ticket with Hillary (Billary) Clinton at the top...or the bottom...

This isn't a "2 for 1 sale" and that has to be put to rest...anyone who supports her demeans and depricates themself.

I, as a Republican crossover Barack supporter, who proudly requested a Democratic primary ballot to vote for Barack, would never in my lifetime vote for a corrupt Hillary Clinton as President or Vice President...even if Barack were on a ballot as Vice President.

Barack for President...not a flunky for Billary.

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Spider — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:19:49 GMT

To all of you who say that you will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee or you will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee, I say WE DO NOT NEED YOU! Go to Mccain or whoever you want. Hillary and Obama represent the Democratic platform, which is far better than the Republican platform. If you would rather be part of the Republican platform, which lies to the world inorder to justify invading countries, killing American solders in the name of greed, killing innocent people of other countries and saying that they attacked us when they did not, then go, WE DO NOT NEED YOU. You are showing how small a person you are because you didn't get your personal choice. This is about what is best for the United States and the world. You represent exactly what the Republicans want, selfish, self-centered individuals. So once again, the Democratc party does not need you nor do we want you!

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P.J. in Michigan — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:26:26 GMT

Hillary as VP would be a waste of her considerable talent; I would much rather see her as Senate Majority Leader--what a huge improvement she'd be over Harry Reid.

If Obama hangs on to win the nomination, he needs a running mate with national security/defense/foreign policy credibility, and all the better if that person can put a red state in play. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia does both -- and is a great campaigner.

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believer in hope — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:26:46 GMT

Of course she would share the ticket with Obama. Mr. Obama would bring credibility, honesty and sincerity to her back stabbing, secretive and dishonest self.

I never admired the Clintons and watching all of this, her sleazy tactics and Bill's big mouth has only reinforced my dislike for them.

The thought of her winning the nomination saddens me to think that the first chance in a very long time this country has had to nominate a person for President that will stand up for those that would otherwise not have a voice and really want to change the landscape of Washington politics for the better, is more disturbing than the nightmare of the Clintons back in the White House.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

DoveSong — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:27:18 GMT

No way! Hillary needs Obama, but Obama does not need Hillary! He can choose any number of ethically brilliant and co-patriotic female governers or ex-generals as his VP to give the women voters their due. Hillary and Bill Clinton would destroy the story, not add to it. I exclaim at the top of my female American lungs, NO! And for the record, Obama said he needs a secretary, because is ALL executive and not good with paper. We can give Hillary the paper job.

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republican 48 years now Obama voter — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:27:49 GMT

Remember Vincent Foster!!! This could happen to a Vice President who won't dance to the Billary tune...................

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jackjack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:30:46 GMT

Obama/Bloomberg

AG-John Edwards

Joe Biden- Justice Dept or Defense

Chris Dodd-Department of the Treasury

Karen Sebilius-Secretary of State

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

RADSAX — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:35:39 GMT

The author somehow forgets that even leading Hillary in delegates, he will not reach the number required to obtain the nomination by the convention. This means that the Super Delegates will choose the nominee, as of now, Hillary has the support from the Super Delegates. So Obama supporters say what you will, Hillary won Texas and Ohio proving she can win the large states which typically have more pull when it comes to electing a president. It was generous of Hillary to even offer him the second spot, which basically gives him the opportunity to get out from under the microscope now, before he is exposed for his many flaws and lies. I hope that if he does not accept now, Hillary does not offer him this position later. Last night was a wake up call. Hillary has the experience and the know-how to run this nation.

And to the person who says you should not change parties if your candidate does not win the nomination, I understand what you are saying but in this instance, we have an amateur running. Obama does not have the experience to be at the wheel of our nation. So if it means a vote for McCain if Hillary does not win the nomination, then that is what I will personally do. I am a Democrat, but I will cross party lines for the good of our nation. And Obama is no good!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

telewade — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:36:36 GMT

As if Hillary would give Obama satisfaction of serving in her administration. Obama supporters critique Hillary all you want. You've been dooped by an eloquent poet. And finally, FINALLY, some informed voters are finally starting to see that and make the turn-around. HILLARY 2008.

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zorro20 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:43:26 GMT

So not being from this country (UK) I didn't realize chosing the candidate was so easy, if I listen to Hilary. Win Ohio and don't mind what the rest of the country thinks.

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Georgette in SoCal — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:43:27 GMT

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this story! HRC is now delusional - maybe too much champagne last night, Hill? She's hopelessly behind in states won, popular vote, delegates and superdelegates and she'd be willing to run a joint ticket with Barack as her #2?? Don't think so. Appalling that she would even hint at such a thing. Obama is the change Americans crave as opposed to too many years of politics as usual. She's already exhibited too much of her underhanded tactics by entertaining the right wingnuts and continuing to hang around to try and split the party. NO MORE!! NOT AS NO. 1 OR NO. 2, PERIOD!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jackjack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:44:49 GMT

What happened the last time the Clintons were in the White House?

Despite the Dem Party holding a majority in the House and Senate, the effort to create a national healthcare system ultimately died under heavy public pressure. It was the first major legislative defeat of Clinton's administration.

Two months later, after two years of Democratic Party control under Clinton's leadership, the mid-term elections in 1994 proved disastrous for the Democrats.

This was the first time the Democratic Party had lost control of both houses of Congress in 40 years.

The Clintons are not 'good' for the Party. History has PROVEN that.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

breit1 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:47:29 GMT

This will never happen, because, all the democrats, who would have voted for Hillary, will vote Republican.

Thus add 40% of the Republican vote, and they win, by a huge majority.

Say 'HI' to the next First Family

Barack stands behind Kezia (stepmother) in a Kenyan family shot. (Including brother Abongo 'Roy' Obama who is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must 'liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.'

'Abongo's new lifestyle has left him lean and clear-eyed, and at the wedding, he looked so dignified in his black African gown with white trim and matching cap that so many of our guests mistook him for my father,' Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

cynwest — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:52:28 GMT

I appreciate what Radsax said about switching to vote for Mccain in the event Obama is nominated. I agree whole heartedly. I have been a solid Democrat my entire life, but more than that I am and American first and Mccain would be better for us than Obama. I have a son in the US Navy and the fact that Mccain has children serving in the military says a lot to me about how he would run our country and handle the situation in Iraq.. Dont get me wrong.....Im for HIlary all the way and it isnt going to come down to that , Im just saying I agree and would cross the party line in the interest of what would be best for us as country. That doesnt make me a poor sport. That makes me an informed, decisive voter who voted based on credabilty and experience over mass hysteria.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

leadsledgh — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:54:01 GMT

"The Clintons are not 'good' for the Party. History has PROVEN that. "

No what the 1994 election proved was that white southern conservatives had finally admitted to themselves and others that they were Republicans and not Democrats afterall Jack Jack. To claim that that long term demographic trend, which began roughly in 1964, was the clinton's fault is absurd.

Also I must say that a knowledge of the time and a knowledge of Tip O'Neil will remind any thinking observer that all politics is local, midterms usually even moreso than ever. The democratic congress in the 1993-1995 term managed to accomplish very little and suffer significant scandals.

Certainly the missteps of the early period of President Clinton's presidency didnt help, but to blame him entirely or ignore his significant successes for the party after 1994 would be naive at best and certifiable more realistically. Fact is, but for a stolen presidential election and 9-11 Clinton's presidency and specifically the popularity he had upon leaving would have given the democrats back the house in 2002, and given that they re-took the senate almost entirely within his presidency (remember how they were the majority back in the early part of this decade for a while after jeffords switched? Do you really think that that wouldnt have stuck without 9-11?

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

susieintheforest — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:56:09 GMT

Radsax, I hope that you have a son or daughter who is ready to go to war in McCain's "War in Iran".

He has made no apologies for his "Bomb,bomb,bomb---bomb,bomb Iran" comment. That's because that is what he fully intends to do--declare war on Iran.

I seriously doubt that you are a registered Democrat as you claim. That "for the good of our nation" comment smells like right-winger garbage straight out of George W. Bush's mouth!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jackjack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:58:38 GMT

no cynwest it doesnt make you an 'informed decisive voter' since most everyone would say that Obama and Clinton differ in the most miniscule of ways on policy. You are suggesting that you would scrap the Democratic policy for the Republican policy because you dont like the package that the Democratic Party is coming in. Thats fine. Remember that when you're paying $5 a gallon for gas.

Poor Sport indeed.

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Casablanca — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:53 GMT

RADSAX, Sounds that there willbe a lot of defection. If Hilliary is at the top to DEM ticket I will not be voting, or maybe just for the fun I'll cast my vote for McCain.

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godnorgovernment — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:01:36 GMT

To telewade....I support neither Democrat; however, I think it better to be dooped by an eloquent poet rather than being dooped by the worn out promises of the ever jaded shrew of rusty American politics.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Dr. De — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:04:36 GMT

Whatever happened to fair and balanced media? Who gives you the right to spout misinformation in this election-especially toward Hillary and Bill Clinton? The unfair coverage the day after Ohio, Tex, etc. is so typical of this entire campaign. I guess all you males in the media have already decided that you will promote, give extra time, and treat as Teflon-coated the great Mr. Obama who we should crown as king shortly. After a hardfought campaign in several critical states tha the media already counted for O, you can't even give fair, positive analysis, EVEN THOUGH THE ANALYSIS LAST NIGHT EVEN SHOWED WHITE MALES GOING FOR HILLARY. But some of you

don't seem to have the _ _ _ _ _ to admit that she's strong, her own woman who handled an Pres. pretty well during difficult circumstances. She smart, experienced, grounded, hasn't developed the "warrior mentality" of the McCains and Bushes, and might just take us back to the PEACE AND PROSPERITY OF THE NINETIES UNDER BILL CLINTON. The citizens/voters get a deal-two for one and previous Presidential experience -NOW WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT THAT.

LET YOUR EDITORS KNOW, I'M CANCELLING MY HARDCOPY NEWSWEEK BECAUSE OF THE BIAS I'VE FOUND IN YOUR BLOG. Dr. D. Zell

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

teanders — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:06:27 GMT

For those of you who keep highlighting that Hillary won both Texas and Ohio, thus can win the States needed to win the general election...ponder and think for a moment....by how much did she win? Yes, Ohio may be that State that has given future glimpse of who the President may be, but things can change, things will change...OBAMA '08

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jackjack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:06:36 GMT

leadsledgh~

as an evangelical who has watched this country SWING VIOLENTLY to the right via the abuse of who is the "GOD" Party, I can tell you that it was EXACTLY the Clintons who ushered in the BUSH years. Anything with the Clintons PROMISES staunch division. US vs THEM. It accomplishes zilch. The idea is an exercise in futility however because there are Dems and Indies like myself who (having fought viciously to defend Clinton through his daily 'gotchas') are not about to go through that again. Anything with a Clinton is the REPUBLICAN Dream Ticket.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

International Observer — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:06:55 GMT

Hello this is an international observer. I recently noted that Obama is in lead but Clinton suggest she would like him to be her vice president. This seems like odd proposal that would not seem too attractive to victorious member.

To Mister Breit1, I find your message irresponsible in two regards. First, elections average between 50-50 and 40-60 in the past 100 years; I think you are predicting that McCain would win by 90% if Obama runs. These high victory rates don't even happen in my country where our leader is careful to win by nice slight margins like 73%.

Secondly, what would be the relevance of your statement about Abongo, if it is even valid? How would Obama be responsible for the behavior of a brother who lives in another continent? I am sure you are using Obama's quote out of context, suggesting that Obama is associated with militant Muslims. This is not nice to say in your country.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

mudbug11 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:07:20 GMT

I do not understand the 25% flight to McCain of Clinton supporters if she does not get the nomination. Who are these 25%? Is the party so divided that this would happen? Or are these independents concerned about national security issues? If the reverse were to happen, I do not envision Obama supporters going to McCain. This is all becoming surreal, and I find myself wishing that Clinton would just run away or disappear. The whole Clinton thing has never appealed to me, and I would not trust the Billary to walk my dog.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

sposit — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:07:43 GMT

Seven weeks until the next competition?? Isn't there a caucus in Wyoming this very Saturday??

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:08:42 GMT

Posted By: Mary934 (March 5, 2008 at 3:50 PM)

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Mary, have you made any effort to try and learn something about Mr. Obama, or do you depend on Hillary to bash him and give you misinformation? Here are the "REAL" leislative differences between Mr. Obama and Hillary. As you can see, Hillary has been lying about her "experience":

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"Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experience. Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there. It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years. As to her Senate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

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Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),

**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),

**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record for someone who supposedly has no record according to the spin meisters and mindless twits. I challenge Clinton supporters to name a single legislative accomplishment that demonstrates her superior experience."

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Starfarer — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:09:23 GMT

Clinton and Obama have the same weaknesses and very similar records. Whoever wins will need to pick a running mate who is more experienced. Senator Biden certainly has vast experience, though not a lot of executive experience. Bill Richardson has both foreign and executive experience. To keep independents from flocking to McCain, they may want to pick a more centrist running mate. Maybe Senator Webb.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

dale rutherford — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:09:57 GMT

You know, I read blogs here on Newsweek site, CNN website, MSNBC, etc. and it never ends to amaze me how moronic the majority of people in this country show themselves to me. The interesting thing is that you would want to beleive that the people posting on these sites are above average as they take the time to read the issues and comment. Sadly this is not the case.

Here are my favories:

- Hillary Clinton is corrupt: Really? In what way is she corrupt. The far right wingers spent millions of dollars investigating the Clintons and found nothing other than business deals that she had every right to complete as a citizen of the United States. Of course the right wing did eventually get Bill Clinton to purger himself over the Monica Lewinsky fiasco but really, was that anyones business and Bill Clinton is not Hillary Clinton.

- Barack Obama is not experienced enough to be president, and if he is nominated then voting for McCain: Exactly what makes a person qualified to be president. If the geniuses who argued that GW should be installed as president in 2000 and then, for some reason that will never be understood by anyone other than a US republican, actually elected GW for the first time to his second term in 2004 are making any type of argument for McCain based on experience .. well, I just decided they dont get to vote. Get out of my country. And for the Clinton supports to say that Obama is not qualifed and that they would vote republican instead of for Obama, well .. latch onto the republicans I just kicked out of my country and keep on going. We dont need you.

Of course Barack Obama is qualifed to be president. So is Clinton.

- Bill Clinton will be VP: This has some merit if implying that Bill would have more influence on president hillary than the actual VP. Of course we all know Bill Clinton will not the be actual Vice President, right? You do know this, correct? My personal opinion is that Hillary is smarter than Bill and will take his opinions under advisement, but that she will have a strong VP

- If Obamba or Clinton win, the country is heading to Socialism and the country is going down the tubes: Really? You mean from the lofty baseline of success that GW is leaving for the next president? Wrong again. There will not be socialized medicine. There would be a push by Clinton or Obama for universal health care, both knowing that they will settle for something more humane that what is in place now but in no way universal and in no way socialized in the way morons post to these messages boards (my favorite laugh - sociallized = communism). BTW .. have any of you heard about Medicare?

- Clinton is corrupt for attacking Obama in the campaign: Really? Morons? Is this not an election where you want to see your future commander and chief fight for the job? Clinton feels, as do millioins of US citizens, that she would do the better job as president. So she should not point out why she feels she would be better? Sounds like more the the crap I see in our school systems. No losers, no confrontation .. and no mental toughness, no fight for what you want, no fight for what you believe to be right.

There area so many more. My suggestion to all of you is that before you try to post on any website, send me an email and I'll be glad to tell you if you have a valid point of if you are a partisan hack (for either party).

Finally, the is the United States. The country that gives more human relief aid than any other, the country that invented flight (yes it did .. I dont want to see any crap about France), the country that people risk their lives to break into (not out of), the country that until the current administration tries to do the right thing when ever possible. People, we are 320 days from having the respect restored to the white house. No matter which remaining candidate is elected, it will be a massive improvement over the war criminal and his crazy VP. I for one am hopefull for the first time since I sat on the couch in my house and heard president speak n spell try to read neocon propaganda as he started the Iraq war while flusing the stature and credibility of the USA down the toilet.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Casablanca — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:10:19 GMT

Spider; Lets get something straight, Obama represent democracy. Hillary represent Putin style politic........what do you call that again?

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Dave_Jo — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:14:04 GMT

Interesting article for sure. Here's my take: if there has to be a ticket, it should be Hillary for President and Obama for VP. If there is concern about Bill Clinton, well, we have a bigger concern with Obama's credentials. I, as a citizen, am totally lost as to what Obama would do? for ANY situation? Media bias or not, this man doesn't have a clue about this country.

This is serious business and we need serious people. We live in dangerous times, and we need someone who knows what they are talking about. Obama can't connect with regular people, the hard working people of this nation. White liberals who make more than 100K?

I'm a democrat, and if Hillary is not the nominee, I will vote for McCain who, by the way, luckily is a moderate.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jackjack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:15:01 GMT

@ sposit-

as a matter of fact YES...but the Clintons are setting their own schedule. They are trying to say who is important or not. For her...oh so important. Not for her...unimportant. No thanks to the voters who did support her even in the states she lost. How patriotic.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

International Observer — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:16:50 GMT

Hello this is international observer again,

Dr. D Zell, I think you, if anyone, are the sexist one. This article is stating reasonable conclusions based on primary numbers. Your suggestion "that all the males in the media" are working against Hillary Clinton, suggests that you are some sort of delusional, sexist individual yourself. I believe the majority of people in the country are voting outside the lens of gender and race, as you note in caps: "white males [were] going for Hillary". As you say, most men are not sexist pigs, and this probably includes the above-average educated Newsweek staff. Don't worry, however, I am sure this person will let his editors know that you are cancelling your subscription because of his blog.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

stky6 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:19:28 GMT

I think she knows the only way for her to get in the White House is on Obama's caottail as VP, just like she got in the first time on the coattail of slick willie

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

International Observer — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:20:06 GMT

Oh and furthermore Dr. Zell I think your sort of over-victimization brand of feminism is counter-productive to real good feminism where the focus is conciliation and determination and not divisiveness and hyper-sensitivity. In my country we would not stand for such a thing, if we had any women.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:22:40 GMT

Posted By: mudbug11 (March 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM)

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I believe Wyoming and Mississippi are coming up this weekend. I think both will probably go for Senator Obama. Sure would be nice, wouldn't it?

YES, WE CAN!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

whooosh1 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:23:20 GMT

With the votes so narrowly split between Clinton and Obama, I believe it woould be a team too strong for McCain to beat. But, with the country ready for change like a Democratic President for starters and if something were to seriously go wrong, do the Dems want to waist both powerhouses on one ticket? I don't think they need to take that risk this election.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

owenhir2000@hotmail.com — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:25:41 GMT

Now is the time to ask the Sen. Clinton what her 35 yrs of experience really is. Now is the time to ask questions about what the American public need to know and are going to ask very soon. If we don’t ask these questions, the republicans will. Every American knows all of the stuff that’s part of Clinton’s experience like: Whitewater, Travel gate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster’s office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Has anyone asked why she hasn’t released her library records or tax returns? What if she's hiding something negative that might cost your party the White House? It's either her or Sen. Obama. While you guys are deciding we'll consolidate and take the white house again. I guess being a Dem isn't much fun.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

mudbug11 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:25:57 GMT

Mr. Dale Rutherford should take his blogging elsewhere and leave this blog site to those of us, who although uninformed, remain respectful. Yes, you make many good points concerning misinformation, but that knowledge is sooo yesterday...

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

high_dimension — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:29:24 GMT

Maybe, if it's just like the article reads: "An Obama-Cinton ticket".

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:30:30 GMT

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

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Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),

**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),

**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

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Isn't it amazing how Hillary has had ONLY 20 legislative bills in her SIX (6) years as a U.S. Senator of New York. Looks like Hillary uses her senate status as a socialite and has not accomplished anything of substance! I don't see where attending funerals, naming buildings, and shaking athletes hands benefits anyone, do you??

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Mr. Obama has authored 890 Legislative Bills and cosponsored 1,098 Legislative Bills in ONLY THREE YEARS in the Senate. I'll say he is a man of action and accomplishment.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

cwinebarger — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:33:06 GMT

The best person for the job should be based on performance, not seniority. Obama is more than qualified to be President, just as Hillary and McCain are. If you are using the experience ticket to argue Hillary over Obama, what are you going to use against McCain?

And after the Texas caucus results come through (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX) , you'll see Hillary will have made a single-digit gain in delegates with her "big wins" yesterday.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

dale rutherford — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:35:14 GMT

Mr MudBug11 .. if you are a thoughtful poster then I wasnt speaking to you. I was speaking to the numberous posts below mine where I see the same knee jerk, uninformed, propaganda driven drivel (ie, Obama not qualified, McCain to old, Clinton to corrupt).

To you I would say:

1.) At what point in your life did you decide you are important enough to ask others not to express their opinions (in writing or otherwise)?

2.) My post had some sarcasm. I see that yours does too. And the difference between us where you should post here and I should not is?

3.) "Knowledge is sooo yesterday" is not only not accurate, if is proven incorrect if you read below these posts in this forum or any other feedback forum that you come across.

So I would say that while I did post out of frusteration, I think maybe you should take your personal attack and find a new blogging site for self important blowhards ?? Maybe??

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

grammagram — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:39:01 GMT

Spin, spin spin. Barack has the numbers so why would it be Clinton-Obama? the Hill/Bill spin and Hallmark negative campaigning is at work. Does ANYONE with any similance of memory remember the impeached former president? How about releasing their TAX records? Should be interesting where their money is coming from. WE need REAL change in Washington, NO MORE Clinton Dynesty. Been there, done that

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tedpearlman — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:42:58 GMT

I find all this discussion of a join ticket ludicrous. When it comes down to the general election, whichever candidate is on top of the ticket, they are going to be weak with white, middle class males. The other candidate will do nothing to shore up that support, in the face of McCain. There is one clear answer here for Vice President and that's Wesley Clark. Gravitas, military experience, executive experience, white, southern, brilliant, male, and eloquent.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

JEdwards2008 — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:45:44 GMT

Your article shows your bias and just continues to fuel the fires. We need a "dream team" or we will lose again in 2008 to make necessary positive changes to fix what Bush broke. Infighting problems will be our own doing. Let's be grown ups and get going for the real fight towards the November votes. McCain is just loving all this bickering and he will use it against both Hillary and Obama! My vote? Hillary/ Obama ticket and John Edwards as attorney general...ahhh, the sweet smell of sucess :)

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

NORMLguy — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:49:32 GMT

This is a tougher needle to thread than the article leads us to believe. The idea that Clinton in the VP slot doesn't drag on Obama is sheer lunacy. Clinton energizes the base in both parties. For years Republicans have been spoiling for a campaign against her. Clinton's name on the Democratic ticket, in either slot is going to fire up conservative get-out-the-vote campaigns the way only a Clinton can. While she might pull more certain wins in New York or California, she also puts places like Missouri or Virginia in greater danger by working up the GOP bases there.

But Clinton is hardly the only figure to get partisan blood boiling. Democratss will get a fair portion of get-out-the-vote support from President Bush. After eight years out of the White House, Dems will have little trouble getting minority and union support to kick into high gear, particularly thanks to more successful fundraising lately. All of the Democratic big-wig arm twisting Bill and Hill could ever do won't let nervous party leaders allow the 08 ticket to get saddled with any term other than 'Change.' Clinton's appeal and her understanding of the system in Washington aren't unique. Barack Obama as the nominee is going to have plenty (probably too much) help from Beltway insiders.

Meanwhile, a big sell for moderates and liberal Republicans (and probably the media) on Obama is that he is not an entrenched Beltway figure. This image will get a body slam from an Obama/Clinton ticket, as well as killing Obama's biggest campaign message. Obama vs. McCain is going to be Change vs. Experience, both know it, accept it, and are banking on it to win. But both will use the VP slot to garner that which they lack. McCain will pick a young, strapping, green behind the ears, apprentice. Obama a tested, older, but independently-appealing consigliare. Clinton's staying in because she thinks "That may be where this is headed." Obama is calling the discussion premature because he doesn't want Clinton to know he's aborted the idea.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

neophyte — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:49:52 GMT

how many years in a row would that make it with either a clinton or a bush on the ballot?

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

mjno — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:05:06 GMT

Who cares about how many years a clinton and bush are on the ballot!!!! She is the best choice for President (PERIOD). I don't care what her last name is. Anyhow, I would think it would be her and another VP. OBAMA IS TO MUCH OF An ego maniac to be a VP.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:06:55 GMT

NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Mr. Obama is not going to lower his standards to hers!

And I think Mr. Obama needs additional Secret Service Portection. The Clintons are known for their making people commit suicide, even those who are found burned and decapitated were ruled as suicides.

Please google 'THE CLINTON CHRONICLES" free audio.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Acmacho — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:07:05 GMT

By the looks of it, Obama's ego is far more important to him than our country. He and Hllary combined have energized the world and can be a unifying force to be reckoned with as a team. Hillary should be Presidenta and he should be VP. Then after two terms the whole country could unify behind Obama and we'd have a total 00f 16 years of peace and prosperity. To those Obama supporters "Wake up!" Set your egos aside and unify behind a joint ticket and spend those millions fighting the "Red Scare" (Republicans).

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

spuddude — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:08:26 GMT

Nobody knows anything about Obama except hid TV persona. Everybody knows Hillary, and nobody with any sense trusts her any further than they could throw Bill (which should have been done long ago). I agree with Lee Iaccoca, who asks in his book by the same title, "Where have all the leaders gone?" Whether Democrat or Republican, we need leadership that will stan up and do what needs to be done. Not more entitlement programs; not more pork; not more big dollar foreign entanglements. We need to cut government and refocus our expenditures on the fundamental responsibilities of government. We need a President and a Congress that will stand up to their whiny, self-absorbed constituents (that's us, folks) and do what the country needs, not what we--individually or collectively--want.

Y'all need to get over yourselves. Pack away your hedonism, tighten your belts, and get back to work! Playtime is ovfer.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

aminahyaquin — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:17:04 GMT

Absolutely asinine and untenable. No-one who is authentically progressive would vote for Clinton on top or bottom. A born authentic leader in OBAMA with a magnificent capacity to elidit cooperative work towards the common good, run with with polarizing, plutiocratic, secretive, running on the coattails of her husband's lies and sham bubble of prosperity, elected by uneducated desperate anti-black white males in dead end jobs and women who feel sorry for her or support ehr her solely because she is female?

we have an unprecedented opportunity to elect a bold and able new leader in Obama whi is not laden with the Clinton's baggage. The Mafia states that grew black market crime under her husband, but who have innocent citizens who canfind alternative employment in Nevada, and Rhode Island and the dying Mid West with their white supremacy group surge of desperate left behind white working class deserve better than Billary even if they voted for her.

Our nation and the world deserve a leader who is not married to an active unrepentant sexual addictwho degrades the dignity of the office. Obama is of the calibre of FDR and Eleanor and of the calibre of Licoln and Washington. In one election he could lift up the hearts and hopes of the lost generations of Black men and women who have been marginalized in our ghettos and prisons, and give all the children in the country of every race and socio-economic group a renewed invigoration of the precious American Dream and restored particpatory democracy.

Clinton is absolutely incapable of anything other than gridlock as usual. many in the status quo vote for her to get just that from fear.

so we need to be the generation that moves forward with courage based upon the sudacity of hope.

belive me if Clinton is nominated ticket i vote and work for McCain.

integrity si worth more than lies spin and corporate sell out.the Clintons lost this progressive almost twenty years ago.My vote is against any party so stupid as to pass up Obama for Billary two.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:22:51 GMT

Y'all need to get over yourselves. Pack away your hedonism, tighten your belts, and get back to work! Playtime is ovfer.

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Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experience. Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there. It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years. As to her Senate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),

**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),

**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:24:06 GMT

Y'all need to get over yourselves. Pack away your hedonism, tighten your belts, and get back to work! Playtime is ovfer.

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Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),

**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),

**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:28:23 GMT

Y'all need to get over yourselves. Pack away your hedonism, tighten your belts, and get back to work! Playtime is ovfer.

Posted By: spuddude (March 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM)

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SPUDDUDE:

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

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Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),

**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),

**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:31:38 GMT

Y'all need to get over yourselves. Pack away your hedonism, tighten your belts, and get back to work! Playtime is ovfer. POSTED BY SPUDDUDE

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Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),

**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,

**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),

**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

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re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jordy68 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:37:08 GMT

Obama doesn't qualify hmmm?

Oh, and since my husband is a surgeon and I have worked in his office for the past 15 yrs I now have the experience needed to operate on you. Any takers? That's great Hillary where do I get my diploma lolol

Qualifications for the Office of President

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

looks like he qualifies to me.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

SusaninIN — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:39:24 GMT

Hillary is everything that Obama is fighting against: corruption, scandal, and dirty politics. She knows she can't win but wants to force the superdelegates to fight her battle to be the vice president. I've got news for you, as much as I would love to see Obama as president, if Hillary is part of the equation, I will vote for McCain.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

janakos — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:40:22 GMT

Here's what I wrote on January 30 at the Feministe blog.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/01/28/the-ultimate-betrayal/#comment-148113

JANAKOS says:

January 30th, 2008 at 4:09 am - Edit

I’d like to see Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama run on the same ticket. Now that’s a ticket that has the potential to break down a lot of walls and ceilings. Kick through a few doors.

I don’t stand by any of the mainstream candidates enough, but I believe you have to start someplace. Who can beat that ticket? It’s the kind of surprise that comes with a pause, the right kind, the opposite kind of pause you stand together in just before the storm breaks or you’re waiting for the bombs to drop. I trust my feeling that this duet in office will turn the corner.

( With these two candidates on the same ticket, we will all get universal health care within a short time. With these two candidates, we will put borders around the power of some of the major corporations. With these two candidates, we will increase the chances of women and minorities here and in different parts of the world to gain a better lifestyle or access to freedom. This list of our demands is long and we must start someplace. )

Here’s the real two for one: Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

What a fine ticket for the Democratic party, a place for it to turn a corner, to get out of this treacherously predictable time in history when assassins run the world; and yes, with all due respect, the chance for the new face of the Democratic Party to poddy train itself in harnessing its political *** and piss, so it can be recycled as rich fertilizer on the fields of We the People.

This ticket may double the chances that the Democratic Party can provide us the momentum to get away fast from the Republican’s pursuing car of accumulation about to run over us on its way to its next conquest: our homes, paychecks or savings accounts. Not to mention those of persons living or dying in other countries. Who can fight against the current monstrous momentum sucking us dry of our money and our imaginations? We should hire these two to cultivate the voices of the people long repressed in this country, We the People, who are capable of taking back our country.

In fact, we ought to demand they run together, whichever way it goes at the end. That’s my ticket. Which one heads the ticket is up to the election process. I do see one of the candidates better as president but I can go either way.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tscal — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:48:37 GMT

Wow. Let me begin with a cultural critique. First, I agree we know little about Obama. It's easy to feel good about him. He's sounds like a Midwestern news anchor. Hollywood has prepared him for this starring role: Bagger Vance; The Matrix; Family Man; Dogma; and especially The Green Mile. The black man with magical powers comes in to save the white man, who remains the hero. We know little about the black man--he is mysterious. (Think of 2004 John Kerry who can't perform is aided by inspiring Barack Obama. We are comfortable with a black man in this role. He may be running for president, but Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, and others are waiting to reap the benefits.

This, of course, is not a criticism of Obama. It is a criticism of racist America.

On to Hillary Clinton. If her name was Hank, she'd be double digits ahead. Saturday Night Live had to emerge as the conscience of our media to critique the unbelievable sexist language used to judge her opinions and campaign. ("Were you naive, Senator Clinton? Are the claws coming out?") She does have a lot more baggage than Obama. Because her service record is much longer--and brighter America--clue in. Women in the Senate don't get on the powerful committees as often and are not tapped to co-sponsor bills. Look at the numbers of women in Congress versus those famle reps serving in, uh, Iran, for instance.) Most of Senator Clinton's experience comes from making her own opportunities (UN, etc.) to break out of a hierarchy that excludes her.

Black men got the vote 50 years before black women. Don't forget it. It's OK to point out how having a president of mixed race would benefit our country culturally. That is an inescapable part of who Obama is. We wince at--and women and men resist--admitting what a female president would mean to our country and the rest of the world, a world that has left us behind in terms of gender equality. We talk about Catholic presidents, Southern presidents, governors as presidents, etc. Being a woman is an important component of what Senator Clinton would bring to the job--as it is what female pilots bring to their jobs--less power struggles in the cockpit, less alcoholism, less illegitimate babies left behind during war, less AWOLs, etc. These advantages aren't because of DNA; it's because women are mroe often raised to value cooperation over competition. Europe is organizing a governmental structure around these values. Give me a president--male or female--who values cooperation over competition; diplomacy over war; mercy over fear-based revenge that only adds to more violence; and a focus on strengthening America by strengthening morale--jobs, health care, education. Defend America by meeting people's needs not by needing people to die and kill for it.

Right now I see a man who delivers speeches with a cadence copied from Martin Luther King and who is largely unvetted. I see a woman whose policies are closer to my own beliefs and who I feel can get them through Congress. As SNL suggested, give me the ***, i.e, a woman who gets things done and doesn't give the credit to a man over the magical black man who makes me feel good but who is largely an unknown.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tscal — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:59:42 GMT

The double standard against Senator Clinton about experience is worthy of critique. We just elected George Bush to two terms: a man who became governor based on swindling the State of Texas on a baseball stadium deal and then president from there, a C average at Yale that got him into Harvard Business School (affirmative action?) All of a sudden a brilliant legal career, child advocacy, and a term as a US senator is laughable as experience? And a first-term senator with community organizing experience and with state representative credentials is the clear choice? Why? Because her eight years of world travel, work on health care at the highest levels, advocacy work with the UN, and close adviser status to the former president WORKS AGAINST HER? If you hate Bill Clnton, fine. Be up front and say you can't see a woman as separate from her husband. Her gravestone can say, "Wife of William Jefferson Clinton." But stop claiming you are judging her as an independent person with a resume so superior to George Bush's it is amazing.

As William James said, most people mistake thinking with rearranging their prejudices.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

bigdaddylgnic — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:12:18 GMT

I think an Obama/Edwards ticket would be much more appealing to the masses. They compliment each other quite well. They haven't been adversarial. I believe more people would be willing to accept this ticket.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

cwinebarger — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:12:55 GMT

There are some commenters below who think Obama is an ego-maniac. I respect that opinion, but I disagree. I see a confident man who KNOWS he is good for this country. Hillary is the ego-maniac. It is nearly impossible for her to win, yet she insists on running an extremely negative campaign against Obama (that's how she netted a few delegates this week). If she weren't so hell-bent on being President as she feels she is entitled to be, she would have dropped out already or ran a more respectable campaign (ala Mike Huckabee on the Republican side). Her campaign is dividing the Democratic party. I am disappointed that Obama will likely have to resort to negative tactics to fight back.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

cwinebarger — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:17:42 GMT

tscal,

FYI - I LIKED Bill Clinton. I think he was a solid President overall. I think Hillary is a very strong candidate and were Obama not in this race, she'd be my top choice. She would have dominated the Democratic primaries and been declared the winner well before now. (Interestingly, she wouldn't have had to run such a negative campaign, which I think has disappointed a lot of people including myself.)

But if Hillary wants to take credit for everything that happened when Bill was President, then NO she can't be viewed separately from him. You can't have it both ways.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tscal — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:35:07 GMT

cwinebarger:

I have no way of knowing whether Obama is an ego-maniac or whether Clinton is. I do know in the negativity department, the coverage of her speeches, the questions to her in debates, and the photos of her (somewhat like 70s females athletes during the backlash against Title IX) have been slanted by her sex. Obama has been wholly free from racial bias up until now--he won't be in a general election. And if you think Clinton doesn't have a chance at being nominated, you are unfamiliar with party rules. Superdelegates are superdelegates for a reason as the electoral college exists for a reason. If you want to change either, start a movement. If not, follow the rules.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Johnny1967 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:36:57 GMT

Obama as VP for Clinton reminds me of Colin Powell as Secretary of State under Bush. Bush used up all of Powells good will to the point of marginalizing and tarnishing Powell.

As VP, Obama would have to play support role for Hillary and Bill. Ugh! Its just plain ugly to have Obama tarnished by the Clintons. The Clintons will use all of Obamas goodwill to serve the Clinton insiders. Sure, the Clintons would understandably salivate over the prospect of profiting from Obamas popularity.

But please, no Hillary-Obama.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tscal — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:41:00 GMT

I missed the part where she takes credit for every accomplishment of his administration? Can you share a citation? I do think Al Gore shared in the credit for the Clinton administration's successes (though he may or may not have had more input than Hillary Clinton), but we did not judge him as Bill Clinton's VP alone. That was only PART of his CV. Being an adviser to the president is part of HRC's CV not the whole picture. And she CAN have it both ways: her adviser role is the past and she gets credit for it in terms of experience. That Bill Clinton will be an adviser is a realistic assumption. That we speculate about his role, focus on it, and make it our primary criterion for judging her is not fair.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Cantabrigian — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:53:57 GMT

No, they couldn't run as a team, because Senator Barack Hussein Obama is probably the most inexperienced Democratic that Senator Hillary Rodham could be saddled with as a partner. What do people expect that she mentor him! Obama's qualifications for his claim to be the President of the United States, is based on very little evidence, except one productive year in the Illinois State Senate, after the Democrats swept the state, and not much else. Senator Barack Hussein Obama has lost very little of his arrogance. He refuses to acknowledge that last night he lost the big enchilada states of Texas and the thinking folks of Ohio, no to his pastoral rhetoric, and no to his velvet buzz. Obama still plans to "knock out Senator Hillary Clinton" by linking her name with Senator John McCain. Go figure. People ask if they should be a team? I don't think so. (p.s. There is an amusing clip on You -Tube called, "Bamboozling Obama.")

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

bugs — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:59:48 GMT

Obama complained about Hillary Clinton being negative now he says he will attack her. Sorry but then he had better not whine about what is dug up on him. Got that druggy.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

MTR1973 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:28:17 GMT

Do the people who continue to call him Barack Hussein Obama realize that they are retards? Do they actually believe that anyone who ISN'T a complete idiot would find anything other than retardedness in anything else they might have to say after trying to use his given middle name as a tie to the middle east or Saddam or anything else? I seriously want to know.. I mean, I know that most of America is chock-full of idiots who have no critical thinking skills, but what makes it more laughably pathetic is that they think "Yeah, I'm gonna really GET that guy, I'm gonna call him Barack HUSSEIN Obama."

God, and I'm a Hillary supporter.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

stjohnmonk — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:48:23 GMT

LAMMO1 SAYS MY MARKS ARE OFFENSIVE, AND IN THE NEXT BREATH

SAYS HE OR SHE WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR McCAIN THAN OBAMA.

WHY IS THAT IS IT BECAUSE HE'S A MAN AND NOT A WOMAN.

HILLARY'S SHADY DEALINGS ARE WELL DOCUMENTED. I DIDN'T SAY

SHE WAS A *ITCH AS YOU SAY, GET HOLD OF YOURSELF ONE STARTS

WITH A "W" AND THE OTHER WITH, WELL YOU KNOW.

EIGHT YEARS OF THE SLICK MEISTER WAS ENOUGH FOR ANY RESONABLE

PERSON. WELL FOR YOUR INFORMATION NONE OF THE THREE DESERVES

ANYBODY'S VOTE. HERE'S A WOMAN WHO COMMITTED PERJURY 50 TIMES

IN FEDERAL COURT AND SHE HAS THE GALL TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, WHAT

A SAD STATE THIS COUNTRY'S IN. CLINTON IS THE FREE CANDIDATE, THAT

IS, FREE HEALTH CARE, FREE WELFARE, FREE FOOD STAMPS AND WHO'S

GOING TO PAY FOR IT, YOU GUESSED THE WORKING STIFF. THE EIFFEL

TOWER ISN'T AS HIGH AS THE TAXES SHE WILL RAISE. TO PAY FOR IT.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

levar98 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:48:30 GMT

My 2 cents.....

All candidates claim to have the "experience". Let's think for second. None of them have ever been president. Hiliary is the only one who's been close to a president.... but she's never been herself.

My thought is....... is not about experience. No where in history have I seen or read about experience making a person a great president. This goes not just in government but in businesses. Steve B. at Microsoft I am sure doesn't know C# from C++.... but thats not the point.

A good president is motivator, a thinker, an entrepreneur of sorts..... there are other people that handle the technical work.

So why is experience even relavent? I think it is just something you are born with. The gift to inspire a people. The gift to get people to believe in themselves.

Anyone who knows how Congress works..... the president can only present a solution.... Congress must pass it first or it goes no where. ANYONE can present a solution.... Hell I could present congress with my Healthcare solution.... I doubt they'd all read it... but there is nothing stopping me from doing so.

At any rate...... None of them have addressed what I think is the biggest issue next to gas prices and iraq and thats unfair child support practices by the states. Its so crazy and killing the pockets of many people and tax payers.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

stjohnmonk — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:51:41 GMT

How many times have I heard the phrase, "Dumbed down" well I have finally gotten to

believe that statement. How dumb can the American public be, if either Hillary or Obama

win the presidency this country is heading deep into socialism. With McCain he will grant

amnesty to illegals, so he's no better than Hillary and Obama. The only thing to save this country from more disasterous programs and taxes is a good Independent candidate, and the only one

that could stem the ties of socialism(communism) is someone like Romney. I hope the majority of Americans come to their senses and get off this hysteria bandwagon that will take us off the

cliff to chaos.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

nicolemb — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:07:32 GMT

I found it interesting how the MSNBC Politics front page links to this with "Could a Clinton-Obama ticket happen?" when the headline on this page is "An Obama-Clinton Ticket?" In my mind, those are two very different scenarios, so perhaps this is how the media proves it's not biased toward a candidate :) Of the two, I admit to finding the latter more appealing, though I think either one is unlikely. It seems our Democratic contenders prefer to go on beating each other up, running the risk that Americans become sick of both candidates. It saddens me to think that this intra-party divisiveness may keep people from voting in November, possibly extinguishing (or at least postponing) the chances to make the changes proposed by both of these candidates. I live in Indiana and would certainly like my vote to count on May 6 just as much as those from states who've already had their say, but I honestly think it's better for the party's general election prospects if the powers that be can reach some sort of compromise without bruising too many egos and alienating too many voters. Just don't ask me how to do that. All I can say is that I hope to vote for the Democratic nominee in November and see him or her become the next president-elect. Please don't ruin that for me!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

austria2 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:08:33 GMT

Obama-Clinton ticket is vulnerable. Obama may lose to McCain. Faith without works is dead. Obama cannot handle the truth, like the Canadian connection. He left his press conference quickly. He wilts under constant attack. And if he becomes the president, he is not decisive as shown by his 130 'present' votes in Chicago legislature.. Hence, he cannot handle the phone at 3am. So after 4 years, Republicans may take over.

On Clinton-Obama ticket, it will be 16 years for the Democrats in the White House. 8 for Hillary and another 8 for Obama. He needs to define himself and show some achievements. Remember, 'we will judged according to our works'.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tmom2001 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:15:34 GMT

I see a lot of Obama supporters saying they would vote McCain rather than Clinton. I can easily say, If Obama does win the nomination the only way he is guaranteed my vote is by having Hillary on the ballot with him. It works both ways. What people need to realize (both sides, those for Obama, those for Clinton) is that obviously with such a tight race, both people have a huge support base. Lets win the White House with both, & make history both ways, a woman, and a non-white man! By having both on the ticket, we get black, hispanics, & more importantly, women, since they are more likely to vote then men.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Rocky2001 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:31:00 GMT

The tone of this campaign has been uplifting and inspirational and for the 1st time in a long time I have felt this country may be evolving. Each canidate uncluding McCain brings a lot to the table. After today it looks like business as usual. Change my eye. Clinton wants to compare and contrast her positions...wink wink...The 3am ad..fear! Obama wants to change the rhetoric and focus the issues...wink wink...Dear Canada I'm not really going to renegotiate NAFTA...I'm now looking for ways to attack Clinton. McCain plays kissy face with Bush after 2000!!! Face it people it's the same old politics. I doubt the Authors of the constitution had this in mind when the concieved a nation for the people, by the people. In conclusion can anyone finish this cliche...Money talks..etc, etc.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

cdmertz — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:31:39 GMT

I find it hard to even think obama would come any where close to the clinton's with there past history. IF HILLARY were elected she would not last 4 year's, and obama chances would go along with her and her ass hole husbund. I WOULD TELL HILLARY no tax return information,no over sea's investment information NO MORE DEBATES.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

"Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:15:34 GMT

Will Hillary kill hope as she enjoys her reinvigorated spoiler role?

Here she is, a tool of the lobbyists, claiming she is the "people's" choice.

Hillary even refuses to release her tax returns for the past two years, which would reveal the source of her sudden wealth.

If Hillary claims experience in foreign affairs, then let her share responsibility for her husband's immoral inaction on Rwanda, when hundreds of thousands of Africans were slaughtered while the Clinton White House refused to act.

(According to the British Guardian newspaper: "President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the information to justify its inaction, according to classified documents made available for the first time. ...

"It took Hutu death squads three months from April 6 to murder an estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus and at each stage accurate, detailed reports were reaching Washington's top policymakers." [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwanda])

For every comment the Clinton trained seals make about Hillary's favorite target--Rezko--it is important that people remember the reason Jimmy Carter's chief of staff, Hamilton Jordan, called the Clintons our "First Grifters."

Remember their ties to disgraced fugitive financier Norman Hsu?

Remember Bill"s supping at the trough of the emir of Dubai?

Speaking of the Middle East, remember Hillary's silence when Yassir Arafat's wife libeled the state of Israel?

Of course, the media bends over trying to accommodate Hillary, today the MSNBC talking heads explained that they have to tread softly because it is hard to criticise a woman.

National security and the fate of the country are apparently tied to some moronic political correctness from a media that did not exactly cover itself with glory when America was about to go to war.

Of course, today's media establishment cares as much about access to the red carpet as anyone else.

The legendary journalist Edward Murrow would have liked Barack Obama, because he also believed, like Obama himself has said, that cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom.

Fight back America!

Believe in yourself!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

promises-to-keep — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:40:15 GMT

It's a fine idea. The problem is which candidate would agree to serve as vice-president. Clinton has already offered the proverbial olive branch, while Obama thinks such a joint ticket is "premature." My feeling is these two candidates will continue to split the party, not just down to the Denver wire in August, but right down to the actual election in November. There seem to be absolutists in both camps ("If my candidate isn't nominated, I'll vote for McCain...") And if they don't join forces, the election will be given away to McCain. I hope Obama can tone down his arrogance long enough to accept a vice-presidential nomination, learn the ropes, and then run for President in another four years. Chances are he'll be a two-term President, which would give Democrats twelve years in the White House. And chances also are Obama would finally change the "do-nothing" view so many have of U.S. VP's. I can't see this man idly standing by Clinton's side as a decoration. There are so many devastating conflicts in the world that surely this man could ably represent the U.S. as its ambassador. By having opportunities to meet with world leaders and other representatives so that they get to know him, he could secure their trust and lay the foundation for his own presidency. And for those die-hard Obama supporters who undoubtedly will challenge these remarks with "Why not now?" Because, folks, he's a baby on the world stage, and to a great degree, an unknown even to his own countrymen. Let him prove his capabilities as vice-president, and actually make something worthwhile out of that office instead of it being such a bogus position. Frankly, after the damage the Bush-Cheney crowd has wrought, WE NEED BOTH CLINTON AND OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE, not one OR the other. Such a team could make history in three ways - a woman, a non-white male, and a vice-president that actually DOES something instead of being decorative.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

"Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:12:27 GMT

You can't argue with the delegate count.

(Numbers don't lie; Clinton operatives do that.)

Hillary's resurging case of entitlement not withstanding, the numbers don't add up for her.

That essential leadership quality so sadly lacking in the Clintons--integrity--counts.

Individual responsibility is the key to government accountability.

Let's restore integrity to the Democratic Party and sanity to the country.

That means staying the course with Barack Obama.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

a brighter America 08 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:14:48 GMT

Promises to keep. Se you seem to have firgured this whole thing out, perhaps YOU should run for President. Mr. Obama is NOT arrogant; he is an extremely intelligent man who has run the best campain I have seen in my lifetime.

It is Hillary who is tearing the party apart with her slash-and-burn tactics and throwing what she calls, the kitchen sink at Mr. Obama. She should call it what it REALLY IS ---SHE IS THROWING HER TOILET FILLED WITH HER FILTHY EXCREMENT AT US, THE CITIZENS, WHO VOTED FOR MR. OBAMA. Hillary is a horribly flawed woman who thinks WE OWE it to HER to elect her into office. United States citizens do NOT owe Hillary one damned thing and we sure as heck are not putting the Clintons back in the White House! They disgraced the Office of the Presidency, the democrat party, our nation, and its citizens; they came to the White House laden with scandals they'd committed in Arkansas and created more and new scandals while they resided there. When they departed the White House after eight LONG years, they left this country badly damaged, a country with lesser ideals and morals, a country where our children live in a coarser and decidedly more dangerous place. The Clintons left the country with a political life that has been distorted and infected with their corruption. We are seeing this firsthand in Hillary Clinton's campaign with tactics which are at the lowest base ever in history. She, Bill, her campaign, and her supporters have attacked Mr. Obama's race, they have sent out lies about his regligious belief, and they all refer to him as an empty suit in one form or another. They keep harping on the Rezko guy in efforts to smear Mr. Obama. I find this tactic especcially disgusting considering both Hillary and Bill have a history of criminals making HUGE contributions to both of them. How do they explain receiving $100 million a year from connections in China? How do they explain the HUGE donations from a Mexican (living in Mexico) drug dealer who is now being tried? How do they explain the $130 million Bill received from the Uranium mines in a communist country sold to a Canadaian business man, a man who Bill accompanied to complete the deal? And much, much more. These are the very reasons why we cannot allow the Clintons back into the White House, these are the very reasons why we have to put an end to Cintonism once anf for all!!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

promises-to-keep — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:24:55 GMT

Okay, you stay the course with Obama, I'll stay the course with Clinton, and we can cancel out each other's vote. That's the very point I was trying to make, below. We might as well swear in McCain right now.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

promises-to-keep — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:50:20 GMT

Your vituperative commentary, below, only serves to prove my point. With such astonishing divisiveness within our own party, by attacking each OTHER - never mind the candidates doing so - the hope of the Democrats winning this election grows ever more slim. My hope was to try and bridge a gap beween the respective Clinton and Obama supporters with a compromise, not create a wider chasm. And frankly, you're using the wrong venue for your commentary. I was replying directly to the article on this web site, which proposed the idea of a joint ticket. If you would care to re-read my comments, other than using the word "arrogant," I believe you will find I had only good things to say about the senator from Illinois. Indeed, I can see Obama winning a two-term presidency - on his own merits after serving as vice-president. I am sorry your comments are filled with such hate. You are mirroring the very qualities you claim to dislike in Clinton.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

kingsolomon1953 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:00:53 GMT

I would gladly support a unified ticket regardless of top billing and I believe it's very possible. Neither Democratic candidate can concede to the other without committing suicide on their political career. The popularity of both candidates dictates that they must stay the course until a clear nominee is chosen. "If you die in battle you're a hero, if you die during a retreat you're a coward."

The negativity we seem to hinge on is no worse than family members bickering. No one has gone for the jugular, and in my opinion, they won't. Neither will attempt to RUIN the other's career. I see the fight as the best thing to ever happen to America because whoever we get, we'll know that we have a fighter. With two spirited fighters, I believe you have a formidable force to be reckoned with. It's a given that their key issues are virtual carbon copies of each other. How many politicians have been this closely matched in their views?

What people seem to forget is that we've had 8 years of bumbling, lack of concern and self-serving lunacy under the Bush Administration. How much worse could either candidate be? If either of them failed miserably at correcting the problems we now face, they would still be considered heroes for even trying.

Regardless of your choice for Democratic nomination, you DO have to make a decision in November: 4 more years of George Bush via McCain or a chance at turning things around by voting Democrat.

For those who criticize the former Clinton Administration, I can only say that I respect what the man did. Us Blue collar workers had jobs, people made money, the economy was great and my State (Ohio) was resurging. In just two years Bush destroyed it all.

You have a choice to make people; like it or not.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

JWilly48519 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:17:27 GMT

Another possible scenario is: Florida and Michigan vote again, Hillary earns strong enough victories in PA/FL/MI to essentially pull even, and the superdelegates go with the candidate that has the most recent momentum and has taken the most battleground-states...i.e. Hillary.

I think Obama could be an effective veep, and then an effective prez. I doubt if Hillary could be an effective veep. She's too wonkish, vastly more so than Obama, and the ideas and initiatives would keep subversively leaking out. Plus, she's fundamentally much more conservative than Obama, and I can't see her wanting to be part of the foreign policy perspectives he's committed to on the campaign trail.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

NewHamster — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:21:25 GMT

If Obama really wants to unite the party and assure his political future, he would agree NOW to be her VP and get this whole thing over with. Save millions on do-over primaries. Reason: she has shown she can win the big tough states that really matter in the general election. If democrats did winner-takes-all like the republicans do, she would have it. If he did this, he would truly be seen as the great uniter, the peacemaker, and he would guarantee that he really would be seen as a different kind of politician and be assured of the presidency after Hillary. Meanwhile, he could learn a lot from Hill and Bill, and be really READY when it's his turn.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

wildbillnum1 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:26:47 GMT

If the consultants' usual insistence on balancing the ticket can be overcome, my dream ticket would be Clinton-Obama. Balancing VPs are usually allowed to do nothing but wait around in case the president dies. Obama could be of great use. including representing us abroad and repairing relations with the many countries that opposed the Iraq war/, while gaining the experience he needs for a future presidency. A Public Radio pundit says he wouldn't accept because "he would be number 3,4, or 5, instead of #2, in the White House". ('Three' is due to Bill Clinton; '4 or 5' are unexplained.)

My 2nd choice would be Obama-Clinton. He would have the benefit of both Clintons' advice to leaven his inexperience.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

wildbillnum1 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:50:51 GMT

Kingsolomon, How can you call Bush self-serving? He's served his fellow millionaire/billionaire buddies extremely well (at the expense of your fellow blue-collar workers, among others, who, nevertheless, helped re-elect him).

Seriously, I don't think a McCane administration would be as bad as Bush's, but the former POW. who was, I believe, tortured then, really disappointed me when he voted against the anti-torture bill (or amendment). On the other hand, If the bill says only that the CIA, etc. can use only methods in the army field manual, the president can have an aide ("NO. I didn't do it! I'm against 'torture' - as defined by my unethical, toady lawyers.") call the Pentagon to have it changed.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

NewHamster — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:09:36 GMT

I do think Obama would accept VP. He'd be nuts not to. He'd be on the super fast-track to be the next president. And I think Hillary would accept VP too to unite the supporters of these two. I think both on the ticket would be the quickest way to any kind of healing for the party; supporters of either would be SOOOO disappointed and disillusioned if their candidate were not on the ticket at all. I could live with either, but I think that if the superdelegates have this in their hands, they need to look at who can win in November. Hillary is wiinning more battleground states, she is winning in the big states that HAVE more delegates, and in November it is winner-takes-all. If the democrats did winner-takes-all in the primaries, she would be ahead. Also, Obama does will in caucuses but there are no caucuses in November. Consider the possibility that if those caucus states had had primaries, Hillary might have won. All those older people and women with children who couldn't come to the caucuses will vote in november and go to Hillary.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

lizzie1969 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:17:00 GMT

We keep hearing 'dream team'. To a novice politico, it seems obvious the best choice for the Democratic party is for these lead candidates to just get on the same ticket, and sooner rather than later.

Keeping the energy & support high to continue into the general election would almost be assured with the 'dream team' ticket, having had this much enthusiasm engendered from both campaigns. They will not have the same energy or support from party workers if both are not on the ticket. The 'dream team' ticket could be a shoe-in in Nov with the support of both camps.

If one or the other candidate is not part of the ticket, the Democrats risk losing the energetic support of each candidates supporters. I keep hearing of folks considering staying home rather than voting or remaining engaged if their candidate is not on the ticket.

It's disturbing to think ego's could, again, get in the way of what would be best for the country: we cannot afford a continuation of the G.W. Bush agenda that would continue with a Republican.

I hope Obama & Clinton will put their ego's aside, swallow their pride and just get on a ticket together to do what is best for the country.. Doing so, even now by agreement, would be so much better for Democratic prospects for Nov. Either candidate would have a fairly high likelihood of being an 'heir apparent' next nominee in 8 years.

They both speak of service to their country. They both need to put their money where their mouth is, and settle this quickly & get together on the ticket. Either one at the top could work, and they are certainly not that far apart in agenda goals.

The 1980 convention, where Democrats were torn apart with the infighting between Kennedy & Carter supporters, was a big reason for current party rules, set to avoid another 'brokered convention'.

The prospect of losing to Reagan that began to seem likely as a result of the tone of that convention was disappointing. The half-hearted endorsement by Kennedy for Carter might as well have not happened..

It seemed quite likely Dem's would lose when Kennedy supporters neutralized Carter support in the general election with disenfranchised Kennedy supporters. Kennedy supporters there were so angry at the loss, they set a tone during his acceptance speech that was borderline hostile & certainly not rallying behind Carter. I was a Carter alternate delegate to that convention who was given an 'underground' button "Kennedy for lifeguard". We don't need that kind of lack of unity again.

What would it take to get an agreement to suspend primary campaigning and just get Clinton & Obama on the same ticket now or soon? It seems so logical & essential & I'm not alone in that view:

even Fidel Castro believed it would be an unbeatable ticket.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

eddiewhere — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:33:22 GMT

No they will not run together.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

eddiewhere — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:34:48 GMT

OBAMA HAS NO CHANCE IN Pennsylvania.

HILLARy should get out now?WRONG. ALTER's FUZZy MATH MEANS NOTHING. OBAMA WILL NOT WIN. The media no longer is a viable real time source, they can only comment after the fact. All their predictions and polls have been wrong since IOWA, INCLUDING THESE NEWSWEEK ANALySTS. they need to stick to reporting and leave the politics to the pro's like me.

OBAMA CAN THANK LOUIS FARRAKHAN's ENDORSEMENT FOR HIS LOSS.

His pastor's public endorsement of Louis Farrakhan MADE the public question his religious loyalities-

LOUIS FARRAKHAN believes that the "WHITE DEVIL IS IN OBAMA'S SOUL" and that he does not represent true "BLACKNESS" that is why he did not wait until after TEX/OH/RI/VT primary elections to. mess up OBAMA's CAMpaign. OBAMA's pastor and mentor's public endorsement of LOUIS FARRAKHAN HAS COST OBAMA THE NOMINATION. THE SUperdelegates LIKE DAVID SHULSTER WHO ARE IN THE CLINTON pOCKET will have the final say.

i would have been dead on but Obama did better than expected in early voting in TEXAS..

eddiewhere @ 03/03/2008 4:52:12 AM

"IN HILLARy WE TRUST"

My sources HAVE assured me that HILLARy WILL WIN By MORE THAN FIVE POINTS IN TEXAS AND By DOuBLE DIGITS IN OHIO. SHE will also take Rhode ISLAND but lose Vermont by seven points. HILLARy's door to door camPaign was very successful in both states.

RUDy WHO?

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

jackiean — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:03:36 GMT

Obama - Richardson is the real "Dream Ticket"

Richardson's experience in diplomacy is a perfect match for Obama's belief in talking to our enemies as well as our friends. Richardson would also bring in border states and more Hispanic support.

Clinton-Obama would ruin Obama with the Clinton's gutter politics and destroy everything he stands for.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

15R8 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:20:51 GMT

I am a Hillster. Iwant Senator Clinton in the whitehouse . Its that simple she has won the big must win states to be president . While BHO says yea to the popular vote it is only lipservice l. Just look at how his slogan of change has been reduced to bumpersticker status.

Obama negociates with foreign governments ,cheering NAFTA, then claims plausable deniyability.EXPELATIVE.

The hyporacy of his campaign glares through the washington insiders have yelled quit hillery quit.

the party insiders say dont count Florida & Michigan on the basic principal the principal being Obama campaine ads ran in florida aginst agreements , he lost so dont count those states he lost in !

I would not trust Obama on any level certinally not as president certinally not as VP look at all Chaney has done as VP and we can se how detetmental to middle class citizens Obama could be in a VP. Obamas lipservice says vote by the popular vote but his campaign says delegates hould ovetrethrow the will of the masses in Texas.

How same old same old DEAN the scream politicks ,how kennedy &kerry too this is . Obama should take that white flag of surrender he wears on his chest and just go away.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Azim — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:52:22 GMT

I think and believe that once the Primary in Pennsylvania is decided and Clibton wins the State, it is concieveable that Mr. Obama should look at the Democrats will have chance to beat John McCain in the General election, he should run with Hillary ad a V.P. candiadte. It will be good for the party and good for America. Than again, let the Democratic process go on.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

gata1296 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:12:08 GMT

on the service, it sounds like an ideal ticket--bho and hrc, but when you dig deep, i think bho has more to lose by taking hrc on then she does by dragging him along...if she is the prez then it would be ok to have bho balance things out...i think she will hurt him and marginalize the very essence of what he stands for.....most importantly, if foreign policy (thanks to hrc) is one of the main issues, then both candidates are better off with someone who actually HAS documented proof of foreign policy experience..hrc is paying lipservice to it and well bho never claimed to have it....

i would love to see them come together, but the majority of bho's supporters would defect to mccain or simply stay home if he picks her as his vp.....if she is the nominee then i would predict that newcomers wouldn't mind having bho around as vp to balance things out.....also, there is the possibility that any vp would be in name only b/c FORMER PREZ Bill Clinton will be the real prez and hrc will be the vp executing her husbands wishes...2 for the price of one remember?...bho is better off going back to the senate and helping hrc get some of her work passed then sullying his reputation with that group.....

tough call...

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Emanuel — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:12:53 GMT

The answer is NO. I wouldn't want the Clintons anywhere near my Presidency, and running as her vice-vice president would be even worse. This is a simple ploy to pander to the passionate Obama supporters and vote for Clinton. I would prefer that Barack Obama stand clear of the scandal magnet Clintons. Go to youtube and type "NBC Report: Bill Clinton's Secret Uranium Deal in Kazakhstan." After you watch it, do your own research. You will never mention Rezko again.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

gata1296 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:16:00 GMT

i had to retype this b/c of errors!!!

on the surface, it sounds like an ideal ticket--bho and hrc, but when you dig deep, i think bho has more to lose by taking hrc on then she does by dragging him along...if she is the prez then it would be ok to have bho balance things out...i think she will hurt him and marginalize the very essence of what he stands for.....most importantly, if foreign policy (thanks to hrc) is one of the main issues, then both candidates are better off with someone who actually HAS documented proof of foreign policy experience..hrc is paying lipservice to it and well bho never claimed to have it....

i would love to see them come together and maintain their base of supporters, but i wager the majority of bho's supporters would defect to mccain or simply stay home if he picks her as his vp.....if she is the nominee then i would predict that newcomers wouldn't mind having bho around as vp to balance things out.....also, there is the possibility that any vp would be in name only b/c FORMER PREZ Bill Clinton will be the real prez and hrc will be the vp executing her husbands wishes...2 for the price of one remember?...bho is better off going back to the senate and helping hrc get some of her work passed than sullying his reputation with that group and their long history of scandals.........

tough call for all...

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Emanuel — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:25:23 GMT

I HAVE A SOLUTION How about Hillary and Bill Clinton simply endorsing Barack Obama to victory, Hillary returning to her New York seat in the Senate, and Bill returning to his illegally financed charitable foundation ? Everybody wins. Go to youtube and type "NBC Report: Bill Clinton's Secret Uranium Deal in Kazakhstan." You will never mention Rezko again.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

hotstuff — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:41:11 GMT

Obama-Clinton? No way, because Hillary represents everything that Obama, or any decent

person for that matter, detests!

America has had enough of their "KITCHEN SINK" and "SEWAGE DISPOSAL"!!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Adam SC — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:51:34 GMT

How is Obama supposed to be this "transformational" politician if he has this extremely partisan "fighter" chained to his ankle? Not to mention the Billary Factor. Is Obama just supposed to sit around watching Bill grope the interns, late night keggers in the Lincoln Bedroom, etc... No, this option is not possible. Obama would do better to let her have the nomination out right, let her get her royal rearend kicked in November and then run against McCain in 2012. Our economy will probably be in a deep recession at that point given that McCain is supporting the same horrendous fiscal policy pushed by Bush AND we'll still be sacrificing lives and trillions of dollars in Iraq.

More importantly, Obama should be the nominee NOW. If the DNC uses undemocratic means to pick the nominee, you will see a massive civil war in the Democratic Party. I know I'll never vote for them again. GO NADER!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

apolemic — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:52:02 GMT

There is no love lost between these two, no matter what high-minded praise they lay on each other at the debates. This contentiousness would spill over into their administration, and four years of bitter backstabbing, undermining and a complete lack of progress on ANY front, they would be swept out of office by the Republican flavor-of-the-year. (They might even make Jeb Bush a palatable restoration choice, although it would have to get REALLY bad for that to happen.) So nix this (disingenuous) talk of a unity ticket, and let the winner take all.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

hotstuff — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:52:43 GMT

Obama-Clinton? No way, because Hillary represents everything that Obama, or any decent

person for that matter, detests!!

America has had enough of Billary´s "KITCHEN SINK" and "SEWAGE DISPOSAL"!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

Donna1000 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:24:28 GMT

I notice that no one is talking about Sen. Obama's ability to unite any more.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

majk — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:33:33 GMT

Obama as president with Hilary as VP is the only way the double ticket can work: he needs the bully pulpit to bring factions together within the US and abroad. His poetry, his passion and his conviction about mobilizing the electorate from the bottom up is a phenomenon that must not be stopped. This is not Hillary's strength: she is much more divisive as both her campaign tactics and her campaign staffing problems illustrate. However, Hillary as policy wonk would make an excellent VP. Lets fight for the O-H ticket!

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

cwinebarger — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:46:53 GMT

What planet do some of you live on? Why would Obama (the delegate leader) accept a VP role at this point? And now some of you are saying the popular vote doesn't matter? That it's about the "battleground" states? If you want a red vs blue general election (which Hillary will certainly polarize), let's all welcome McCain to the white house now instead. If Hillary wins with a greater number of delegates, more power to her.

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

tjirish34 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:46:58 GMT

I agree with Majk's points. As a Democrat I have no problem wih an Obama/Clinton ticket. I do have a problem with a Clinton/Obama ticket. I am not a Hillary fan but if that is why she continues to stay in contest for VP. Then Obama may have to offer it. Surely as Alter points out the math. Hillary's campaign can see the math also. If Hillary really believes that she can fight to convention losing in delegates. Then convince enough Superdelegates to overturn his lead... Well she is delusional. It would be political suicide for enough SuperDelegates to do that. They would get hammered politically. Plus after all the complaining about 2000 Presidential election. The Superdelegates are going to overturn Obama's lead? I DON'T THINK SO! So in effect why will Hillary still be campaigning if she is unable to make a dent in Obama's lead other than the VP spot?

re: An Obama-Clinton Ticket?

dcninerfan49 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:19:42 GMT

Sorry fellas, and ladies. Republican here. I would love to see Hillariey's name anywhere on the ticket.

It will only help Republicans. She is as well hated as loved. Im one who voted for Hillary to help her win, just McCain could possibly face her instead of Obama. At the same time if McCain is not my President. I would not be upset with an Obama Victory. I will hold onto my waller, and be a tax evading fool cos Obama sure is going to raise taxes like we have never seen before.

So my point Obama does not need negatives, he has a narrow lead in the polls without Hilary.

Hilary is nothing but a spolier, and it is her way or no way. How is she going to be VP? Obama is proving why she shouldn't be President. Can you imagine the Republican attack adds Obamas own Vp says Obama is not ready on DAy one...

They will love that one. They Beat Kerry by calling him a flip flopper, imagine what they will do with that..

Obama knows he is favored so why he accept a VP spot?