Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

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ThinkAgen — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:31:33 GMT

Enough already!

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owenhir2000@hotmail.com — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:49:03 GMT

Now is the time to ask the Sen. Clinton what her 35 yrs of experience really is. Now is the time to ask questions about what the American public need to know and are going to ask very soon. If we don’t ask these questions, the republican’s will. Every American knows all of the stuff that’s part of Clinton’s experience like: Whitewater, Travel gate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster’s office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Has anyone asked why she hasn’t released her library records or tax returns? What if she's hiding something negative that might cost our party the White House? Most people believe she is hiding something terrible. While you guys are deciding the republicans will consolidate and take the white house again.

Here are some Real Tough Questions you should get ready for Senator Clinton

• What type of Foreign Policy Experience has Senator Clinton had

• While President Clinton was in the White House was Hillary Clinton giving security clearance to read any national intelligent information in case a crisis came up

• What Foreign Leaders has she met with and what were the bases of the meetings.

• Why didn’t Senator Clinton read NIE Report before she voted to go to war?

• Do you think if Chelsea were in the military, she would have exercised more precaution before agreeing with President Bush War Strategy

• Why did it take Senator Clinton until now to regret her vote?

• What makes her a more qualified woman to be President over someone like Barbara Boxer who actually had the courage to vote against the War

• Why is your campaign taking money from a Firm being accused of Serial Sexual Harassment?

• Has one of Senator Clintons campaign chairman also taken money from Tony Rezko and if so

• Has Senator Clintons campaign chairman given the money back or donated to charity

• Don’t you think Courage is more important than being Politically Safe?

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Jennie A — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:55:36 GMT

PA - take a stiff long look at old politics. Do you want this back in the White House.

http://www.hillarythemovie.com/trailer.html

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MightyGuru — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:42 GMT

Does wrong judgement about Iraq war counts as "experience"???

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true blue — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:15:12 GMT

well, already the hillary haters are out to try and influence people with their slander and innuendo. If you want to know who Hillary is and what she is all about then go to her website. And while you're at it, read about her endorsements from over 30 retired Generals and statesmen. Read about what Madeline Albright has to say about her and countless other well respected people in our nation and all over the world. Read about what she has done on behalf of abused and negleted children. Read about what she intends to do as President. And for those of you who continue to espouse your anger and hatred of her, surely, there is always some type therapy available if these suggestions don't help.

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ervinst@hotmail.com — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:15:14 GMT

I thought 8 years of one Clinton was bad enough...does this Country really need to be embarased by another 4 to 8 years .

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kmcflash — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:27:03 GMT

Do you consider yourself a good at this kind of thing ?. To ridicule one candidate and 'cutify' another says more about you than about either candidate. Fill in the blank, if you can:

I support Obama because _______________________________________________

see if you can fill in the blank with specifics, not generalities.

As far as bemoaning political strategies, just vhat do you think politics is all about...agreeing

wholey with your opponent ? No, it is identifying where you may have a convincing difference and then harvesting that difference for interpelation into votes.

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twoody08 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:31:42 GMT

True Blue : Do you really think you would find any negative comments on the Clinton web page. You need to read the real blogs out there and really research all of Hillaries claims instead of just believing them. You can even find articles in ...wow...Newsweek....read them.......Ask yourself what the Clinton's were doing when the terrorists were planning the 911 debacle. (it took more than two years for the plans) Bill was fiddling in the WH and Hillary was defending him. The heck with the terrorists. What about the 1998 WTC attack....where were the Clinton pair then.....the Cole bombing and the embassy bombings.......talk the real stuff true blue...get your head out of the sand.

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OpEdna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:32:23 GMT

"Not exactly Cicero there, senator."

I loved this line.

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Zion13 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:32:43 GMT

The whole "kitchen sink" play really is indicitive of what she stands for; old school politics, where special interest groups and the wealthy influence politics. The Clintons have had their time. Hillary does not want to CHANGE anything, she merely wants the power. She doesn't even see how divisive her campaign has been. I had decided that if necessary I would vote for her but after seeing the way she conducts herself when hard, selfless decisions need to be made has made me take another look at her. Barack will be a much better President. He has carried himself with class and TRULY has the needs of the people in mind. If I have to write him in......then so be it. OBAMA 08'

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twoody08 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:41:51 GMT

Once again the goal post are moved to the next playing field she has a chance to win in. Well, what's next? North Carolina, Kentucky......Puerto Rico. Watch out there...the Latino's are of Spanish/Black persuasion. The Texas Latino's were of Mexican decent...a big difference.....and by the way you split Texas Senator Clinton and lost the delegate battle. 60% is a big number to win the rest of the way, especially when you'll get swamped out west.

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benluclar — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:46:30 GMT

Last week Newsweek quoted Obama as having declared he was, in fact, a Christian. He added, however, that there is "no more beautiful sound on Earth than the sound of a muslim prayer at dawn".

These are the words of a Newsweek article one week ago in an interview done by Newsweek.

I will never cast a vote to declare someone who believes this as a nominee of the Democratic Party or as President of the United States. Not optional.

The MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUND ON EARTH IS A CHILD'S PRAYER TO GOD AT BEDTIME.

The candidate who feels the same is my choice, whether that candidate be Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

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twoody08 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:47:48 GMT

Senator Clinton used that "I'm one of you" line when she came to NY to run for Senator....as a carpetbagger against Rick Lazio. And just to remind you, she demanded he release his tax returns as part of her campaign. I guess that doesn't matter in the presidential election.

In some ways I wish she could win this thing....then Ny would be rid of her and all her promises for jobs (200,000) in upstate NY. Did she promise you jobs yet?

She is one big snowblower.

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dunnhaupt — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:07:35 GMT

The Spitzer affair is only embarrassing for Hillary, but Ferraro's racist remarks are seriously damaging for her. People will forget a sex scandal, but the Clinton racism that began with Bill in South Carolina is something voters will never forget. Black voters in Philadelphia and (perhaps) in Michigan and Florida will remember these multiple racial slurs. Hillary should not be surprised if she gets fewer votes in Florida this time. They call that "Change", Hillary!

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Christines — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:48 GMT

Spitzer may look like an angel when the Slum Lord trial of Tony Rezko, Obama's pal, continues.

Q: How did it happen that Tony just so bought the lot next to your home?

What happened was . . . Rezko's been a longtime developer in Kenwood. He's got property all across the Kenwood area. When the house came on the market, I asked a number of people about the house because I've never bought a house. I'd owned a condo. And I called a number of friends -- four or five friends -- who either had homes in Kenwood or were familiar with development in Kenwood. Rezko was one of those people. It turned out that the person who had renovated the house which I was interested in purchasing had worked with Rezko in the past, so that was the connection. He [Rezko] ended up looking at the property and became interested in it. But as I said it was negotiated entirely separately. It wasn't something that we were coordinating in any sort of fashion.

The reason we ended up having the same closing date -- that was actually a requirement of the sellers' because the seller was trying to . . . they had conditioned the sale of one lot on the sale of the house.

What do you say to people that your judgment is faulty?

I'm human like everybody else and I'm going to make mistakes. One of the things that I've prided myself on is when I make a mistake, I own up to it. . . . Although I made a mistake in terms of not being attentive to appearances, in terms of the actual transactions themselves, there was no quid pro quo, there was no clout involved. . . . The problem here was you had somebody who was doing state business, who had been a contributor of mine. While I paid more than the appraised value, it's understandable people . . .

Did you know he was under investigation at that point?

Obviously, things had surfaced. But this is somebody I had known for quite some time. He had never asked me for anything. I'd never done anything for him. We had never discussed government issues. But, look, I think it's fair to hold me to a higher standard. And I understand, at this point, I have been in the public eye quite a bit. I'm somebody who's taken the lead both in Springfield and at the federal level on ethics issues, and I think it's entirely appropriate for folks to expect more. . . .

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yupik1 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:17:45 GMT

I support Barack Obama because:

1. He is about empowering ordinary Americans to make a REAL positive difference. He believes in change from the bottom up and has never swayed from that message since the beginning.

2. He is about an "open" government where ordinary Americans won't feel intimidated by their own government leaders.

3. Last, but not least, he is about "CHANGE." Change from a top-down mentality which hasn't worked well for us, especially with the Bush Presidency. Change from a "closed" government system which has left many Americans feeling alienated and forgotten for much too long now.

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masonwl — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:22:26 GMT

Hillary is only wining some states because she is a White Woman. She would not be even be in this race if she was a White Man. Geraldine Ferraro is A FEMALE CHAUVINIST, PIG that is a disgrace to the good women of America

"Chauvinist" means someone who assertively maintains that his or her kind -- usually people of the same sexx or nationality they think they are superior; "chauvinism" refers to an extreme and bigoted form of patriotism.

Come on everyone you know this is about the Clinton’s Secret Female and White Supremacy Campaign. Get to the back off the bus boy and wait your turn. The key is that those of us who truly believe in race and gender equality should reject them like a bad virus that is infectious.

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Dre Atlanta — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:23:03 GMT

Hillary party is racism towards Obama this needs to stop, remember Hillary you need the African American votes in the general election if you win the demoncrate nonimee alot of black people feel you and your party is racism towards black people

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jaybird11111 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:29:21 GMT

I agree. The candidates' opinions regarding "the most beautiful sounds on earth" are without a doubt the most pressing issues of our time. Anyone casting a vote for the most powerful office on earth, should consider nothing else when deciding on a candidate. "Children praying to god at bedtime"???? Maybe you should thump that bible against your head a few times.

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vindido — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:30:48 GMT

Hilary has her share of flaws,no doubt a touch of dis honesty i.e. Rosegate,Whitewater gate,ad nauseum.And the Republicans will waste no time reminding the electorate of them. But lets face it,Barack chances of being elected are ZERO. Half black,half Muslim,Mr. I VOTE PRESENT while a state legislator in Chicago.....Unless we get Hilary to head the ticket,we will all be calling McCain Mr President in January

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GiveMeTheTruth — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:32:05 GMT

Forget the polls (Survey USA Obama 280 Delegates - McCain 258); forget the popular vote (9 big States = Obama 8,643,000 - Clinton 8,487,000) forget the Pedged (real) Delgate count (Obama 1404 - Clinton 1243 = 161 difference). As a rational thinking, neutral democrat Obama must be the choice of the party because Hillary cannot win in November for the following 8 reasons:

1. Voted for the war in Iraq...thus cannot make war a factor and attack McCain at one of his biggest weak points ("bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb Iran" or "other wars" or 100 years);

2. She cannot claim success of Bill and not be part of one huge blunder: the failure to approve a hit on Osama Bin Ladden when CIA had him pinned, (sorry Bill I think you were great but this will hurt);

3. Her husband passed NAFTA and she was in favor of it. Don't believe me check out her book where she called it a success...now just because people in Ohio fell for this once you think they and Pennsylvania will fall for it a 2nd time??? don't think so...

4. Cash for pardons...petty but will hurt especially if some of that cash was used for her campaign;

5. Failure to release her tax returns and constant issues with their finances;

6. Only First Lady to ever be subpeonad in front of a grand jury...what?? remember WHITEWATER?? people dying, depositions, trials...what an ugly mess and Americans are tired of it;

7. Lafarge...She was on the Board of Directors and was fined in 1992 for $1.8 million by Environmental Protection Agency for pollution violations...a couple of years later Bill becomes president and BAM the fine is reduced to $600,000;

8. She is currently being sued for fraud and charges of election law violations...you could check it out yourself...Google "HILLARY FRAUD TRIAL".

Now why haven't we heard all this...well because (1) the media wants a long drawn out democratic primary for money and ratings; (2) the media does not want Obama who DOES NOT TAKE SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY and the big corporations who own the media are afraid the deregulations put in place by Clinton will be reversed; and (3) because Obama is too nice and wants to run this idealistic campaign (P.S: Somebody wake him up and tell him this American politics where everything is fair play..toughen up already)and has not brought out the dirt, now do you really think Grandpa McCain and the party of Karl Rove will be as nice?????????????

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true blue — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:32:17 GMT

TWoody08....my head is not in the sand but if you would remove yours from your rear end for a moment..... I know what Hillary is all about and I remember the 90's very well, don't need your history lesson, but thanks. And don't try make her liable for every ill that has befallen this Nation and around the world at that time. Do you honestly believe in the things that you say, because they are utterly ridiculous. And please don't be a blog hog with your multiple posts, it isn't very polite. But good manners are not characteristic of you hillary haters, I know.

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glzphoto@yahoo.com — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:33:54 GMT

Here's a list of rules Hillary lives by, they come straight from her Senior college thesis.

ALINSKY's RULES FOR RADICALS

"Personalize it"

Saul Alinsky's rules of power tactics, excerpted from his 1971 book "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals"

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people.

3. Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. Maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

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juanita christina — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:35:25 GMT

dear dre atlanta. Neither Hillary nor Bill Clinton are or ever have been a racist. Never. Quite the opposite. The only racist part of all this campaigning is the fact the pundits can reasonably judge what states and what parts of the states will vote for who. And, why do african americans feel the need to "whisper" if they are supporting Hillary. That's racism.

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ndolan622 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:38:08 GMT

Clinton speaks so much of her ties to Pennsylvania. The only question I have is this: Just how much time has she spent there in the past 16 years? Outside of this campaign, of course!

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Radmanaustin — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:38:15 GMT

Clinton has snake oil to sell and Obama has the elbow grease of thousands of grass root supporters registering college students and canvassing neighborhoods. Will be interesting to see who wins out in April.

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tjirish34 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:38:29 GMT

This race is over. Media making money on it. Look here's deal: She cannot get over on Obama

in pledged delegates even if she wins Pennsylvania. That is REALITY. Obama loses Pennsylvania but keeps it within a 6point margin. I will say he has done a good job So her dream is the superdelegates will overturn the pledged delegates and likely the popular vote. DREAM FREAKING ON! It's not gonna happen because I for one as a 44yr wm will be angry. Along with the blacks and young who support Obama. It would destroy the party for years. Being the spouse of the President does not qualify a person as "being experienced." Obama should hit Hillary on this or at very least a prominent supporter. I am looking forward to a McCain/Obama general election. Obama also should not offer Hillary the VP. She gave that up when she hinted McCain would be better served then Obama as Prez. Thing is Hillary could have played this another way as Alter pointed out. She could have gotten out before Texas and Ohio gracefully instead of throwing the sink at him. If Obama lost to McCain. Hillary would have positioned herself perfectly for 2012. But alas she had it all planned out beforehand and did not adjust.

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OpEdna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:38:35 GMT

Vindido said: "But lets face it,Barack chances of being elected are ZERO. Half black,half Muslim,Mr. I VOTE PRESENT while a state legislator in Chicago...."

As being a Muslim is a religious choice, and not a race, one cannot be "half-Muslim." Just because I'm related to Catholics certainly doesn't make me one, or even half of one. Barack Obama is a devout, practicing Christian.

And by the way, if you're going to reiterate Clinton's attacks on Obama, at least get the facts straight. Obama didn't vote present in Chicago. The State Legislature (note spelling) is in Springfield, the Illinois State Capitol. And voting present is a regular political tactic here, used to express discontent with the phrasing of a bill or amendment when a straight up or down vote does not meet a representative's standards.

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Older_White_Male_Obama_Supporter — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:39:10 GMT

Somebody posted this challenge:

I support Barack Obama because:__________________________________________

The challenge was to fill in the blank with specifics, not generalities.

Here goes:

I support Barack Obama because:

* He has more elected experience than does his opponent.

* He truly was in the trenches as a community activist on the tough south side of Chicago (not just signing up new voters in south Texas).

* He inspires and motivates which is a needed quality of the Commander in Chief.

* He will be better received by foreign leaders than his opponent for a variety of reasons. The US has a world image problem that he is the best suited of all of the candidates to be able to address.

* His healthcare plan will not take money out of my paycheck without my consent.

* He has always opposed the war in Iraq as have I.

* He believes that our terrorism focus should be on terrorsts.

* He is willing to listen to other points of view before making a decision.

* He owns up to his mistakes.

* His "scandals" are minor in comparison to his opponent.

* He is electable.

* He does not inspire the same polarizing hatred his opponent does.

* He does not try to hide behind closed doors like during the first failed attempt at "universal" healthcare.

* He does not withhold easily obtainable documents.

* He is not an entrenched part of partisan politics so he actually has the opportunity to bring about change.

* I trust him but I have good reason to not trust his opponent.

* He tries to keep a clean campaign for the good of the Democratic party.

* He does not try to pass himself off as something he's not: he won't go into Pennsylvania and try to pass himself off as one of the common working-class people like his opponent did (she has lived a very privileged life mostly outside of Penn.)

* He actually did something during his elected office.

* He has a much better and believable relationship with his spouse (that takes work).

* He is human and predictable.

* I would trust him to have good judgement when answering that call at 3:00am.

For the sake of keeping this short, I will stop here. There are, however, many more reasons.

Obama '08

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metzlerd — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:40:14 GMT

"If you want to know who Hillary is and what she is all about then go to her website. And while you're at it, read about her endorsements from over 30 retired Generals and statesmen. Read about what Madeline Albright has to say about her and countless other well respected people in our nation and all over the world." - This is only half of what you need to do. If you want to know what Hillary is about; sure go to her website, read her books.

But then go to www.factcheck.org. Go to thomas.loc.gov.

Spend alot of time there. You can't just go to a candidates web site. Those are somewhat useful, but no better than a sales brochure! This is true for any candidate. Check the facts!

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OpEdna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:42:34 GMT

ndolan622 said: "Clinton speaks so much of her ties to Pennsylvania. The only question I have is this: Just how much time has she spent there in the past 16 years? Outside of this campaign, of course!"

She claims to have ties everywhere she goes. It's kind of like her osmotic foreign policy experience claims. If she's been to a place, she's either from there or knows how to govern it.

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ToadTreeHugger — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:45:09 GMT

Which part of the '90s didn't you like? Prosperity or Peace?

That's a great line! I love it!

Clinton is finally talking about how Obama voted for Cheney's energy bill in 2005. He is PRO-CORPORATE. His League of Conservation Voters score is a mediocre 67. Robert Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer for the NRDC, Jr. endorses Clinton not Obama. Obama's top campaign contributors are executives from Exelon, the largest nuclear power company in the country. Obama has tried to pass watered-down legislation to regulate RADIOACTIVE leaks.

Obama doesn't have a single legislative accomplishment. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23256713#23256713

Obama is stumbling over himself with his double-talk on public financing, NAFTA and the withdrawal of troops in Iraq. While he is stumbling, he's still stumping that he's above politics as usual.

As for his foreign policy experience, he's already tripped over himself by showing a lack of understanding of what's going on with Al Qaeda in Iraq, and McCain was able to capitalize on it, chastising Obama and making Obama look like a schoolboy. Obama's response: like I wasn't reading the papers, like I -- like I didn't know what was going on. That kind of lame response in front of a crowd of college students might fly, but it doesn't fly with the general public.

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OpEdna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:54:09 GMT

ToadTreeHugger: Please stop spreading lies. The segment you link to isn't an account of Obama's legislative record; it's a clip of madman Chris Matthews badgering an incompetent surrogate.

Since you're too lazy to do proper research, here is a link to 115 bills in the U.S. Senate sponsored by Barack Obama: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

Some highlights, since I'm certain you won't bother to click the link. He has sponsored:

- A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.

- A bill to suspend royalty relief, to repeal certain provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal certain tax incentives for the oil and gas industry.

- A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.

- A bill to require accountability and enhanced congressional oversight for personnel performing private security functions under Federal contracts, and for other purposes.

- A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to establish a Hospital Quality Report Card Initiative to report on health care quality in Veterans Affairs hospitals.

Yeah, he sounds like a real double-talking, corporate-money-taking, anti-environmentalist, doesn't he?

Do you damn homework.

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wyl5326 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:56:12 GMT

Humbleness is never in the vocabulary of the Clintons. Recently, I've also

heard from a Pastor's sermon about how to know a real humble person. He said, a

real humble person is someone who can no longer be humiliated. While I may

agree with the precepts underneath it, the recent show of humbleness by the

Clintons in Mississippi campaign in suggesting for a joint team, is nothing

short of cynical. As one FOB describe it, Bill can pat you on the back while

urinating on your legs at the same time ! This is best illustrated in Hill's

3AM red-phone ad to instill doubts on Barack's experience, yet the offer of

joint team negates that negative ad it carries. The message sent was Barack

does not have the experience, but he has the experience to be her VP ! The

problem with most Clinton supporters, is they don't want to take off the

blinders and see the total package that the Clintons bring with them. No

wonder, most of the well-educated voters are not supporting her, while the less

educated ones are her steadfast supporters.

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yupik1 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:14:28 GMT

Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Must be quite a few ignorant white supremicist, Geraldine Ferraro mentality, short term memory thinking people who already forgot who sent their jobs to Mexico Pennsylvanians that Hillary is pandering to. Wake up people! These are the only kind of people that Hillary has left to support her. Do we want the next President owing favors to these kinds of people? I think not!

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abwickett — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:15:05 GMT

Before you comment on something you should check your facts. You can go to factcheck.org

People have all these comments and do not research anything. jThat is why so many itelligent people vote for Obama, because they have done their research on BOTH candidates.

Oil Company Tax Breaks?

Both leading Democratic candidates have referred to tax breaks to oil companies:

Clinton, July 23, 2007: First of all, I have proposed a strategic energy fund that I would fund by taking away the tax break for the oil companies, which have gotten much greater under Bush and Cheney.

Obama, June 22, 2007: In the face of furious lobbying, Congress brushed aside incentives for the production of more renewable fuels in favor of more tax breaks for the oil and gas companies.

Both candidates are referring to H.R. 6, the 2005 energy bill that contained $14.3 billion in subsidies for energy companies. However, as we’ve reported numerous times, a vast majority of those subsidies (all but $2.8 billion) were for nuclear power, energy-efficient cars and buildings, and renewable fuels research. In addition, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the tax changes in the 2005 energy bill produced a net tax increase for the oil and gas companies, as we’ve reported time and time and time again. They did get some breaks, but they had more taken away.

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herfan — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:20:12 GMT

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

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maries — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:21:15 GMT

She says that now but like most politicians once the election is over they forget who you are....Just another memeber of the do nothing congress.......

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bluegirl — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:31:34 GMT

Intelligent people don't vote for Obama. Naive people that live on Cloud Nine vote for a man that does not lack words but lacks experience and sincerity.

America wake up do no be fooled by Obama has an empty record > he has done nothing.

Change can be for better or for worse. Obama is the candidate for worse. He did not believe in an Iraq war because he doesn't give a s--t for americas best interests. After 9/11 how could you seriously second guess going into a war against a potential enemy according to the intelligence that existed at the time.

Obama no way mama!

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WindmillJouster — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:33:43 GMT

I don't think Andrew Romano could have set it better. For Clinton's base, who may prefer their sarcasm with less subtlety, perhaps Simon Cowell can write the next article on how exciting it is to attend a Clinton rally.

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OpEdna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:34:15 GMT

herfan said: "Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!"

On which planet is her delegate count "much higher than it shows"?

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OpEdna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:36:53 GMT

bluegirl:

Does Chris Dodd live on Cloud Nine? Does Caroline Kennedy?

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abwickett — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:37:54 GMT

Sounds like you have already been duped!!!!

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yupik1 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:40:06 GMT

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

I can just see Hillary telling Bill that in the oval office after his famous hummer with a intern. With Bill as first "man," what nefarious deeds will he be doing with his wife as President? Unlimited possibilities, no accountability....Hillary will pardon whatever he does. We haven't seen the worst of the Clintons yet.

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abwickett — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:42:29 GMT

You are right Clinton has done alot! Do a search on Clinton Scandals and you will see how busy she really is!!! She losses a State and then says oh well, that state is not important and so on and so on......................

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yupik1 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:46:16 GMT

Posted By: bluegirl (March 12, 2008 at 4:31 PM)

After 9/11 how could you seriously second guess going into a war against a potential enemy according to the intelligence that existed at the time.

HAHAHAHA!! Hillary didn't even read the report at the time, and still voted for it.

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jtcali — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:52:00 GMT

Hmm....I bet most Pennsylvanians have $5,000,000 sitting around to loan themselves. Yep, Hillary is just like you.

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cbday — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:09:47 GMT

Clinton has made three major recent Commander in Chief assessments that are fundamentally stupid:

1) Declared that only she and Senator McCain are qualified to be Commander in Chief based on experience. She thereby defined foreign policy "experience" as being the determiner of qualifications to be Commander in Chief. When one looks at her "experience" in relationship to McCain there is no comparison. He therefore is much more qualified than she to be Commander in Chief on day 1.

2) Declared that Obama, a fellow Democrat, is not qualified to be Commander in Chief compared to her or Senator McCain. She thereby endorsed the candidacy of Senator McCain over that of Senator Obama in the Presidential Election.

3) Showed in her 3 am phone call ad that the children deserving of her protection as Commander in Chief were white and hispanic children.

Clinton has pandering, racist, poorly thought ought judgement about being Commander in Chief. If one looks at her judgement in the past about being Commander in Chief, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan one sees a more stupid set of judgements about what it takes to be Commander in Chief.

Clinton's credentials in being Commander in Chief are much less than those of Obama in all of the above and much more that could be said of those credentials.

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nacirema — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:12:05 GMT

This election is really about courage. Do Americans have it, or not?

Are you afraid to vote for someone who advocates change, takes no money from special interests (just donations from regular folks), but has brief national-stage experience?

Are you afraid to vote for someone with a background different than most?

Are you afraid of boogeymen like terrorists?

Are you afraid of your own government spying on you?

Are you afraid to take a chance, or do you prefer to go with a known quantity?

Are you afraid to try to redefine politics in America, or do you prefer the way things have been done for the past 16 years?

Come on Americans, have some guts!

It's up to you.

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Tech Recruiter — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:12:58 GMT

"Throughout this entire process, the Clinton campaign has cherry-picked states, diminished caucuses, and moved the goal posts to create a shifting, twisted rationale for why they should win the nomination despite winning fewer primaries, fewer states, fewer delegates, and fewer votes.

We must stand up to the same-old Washington politics. Barack has won twice as many states, large and small, in every region of the country -- many by landslide margins. And this movement is expanding the base of the Democratic Party by attracting new voters in record numbers and bringing those who had lost hope back into the political process." David Plouffe, Obama Campaign Manager

Enough said.

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yesyoucan2008 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:14:07 GMT

If Pennsylvanians are closet racists, fear mongering, delusional kick a baby kind of people, then they are just like Clinton. I don't know about day one, but one minute in office will be too long for me. Americans, open your eyes and wake up to change you can trust. When is the last time a Clinton was called to be trusted. " I did not have sexual relations with that woman" People that are choosing Obama are tired of the Bush/ Clinton tag team. Time for new blood. Remember, she is losing the delegate count, the State count, and the popular vote by over 700,000.

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Drdan — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:07 GMT

Kind of interesting with the resignation of Eliot Spritzer today over "alleged" sex. I have to wonder if Hillary Clinton said to Bill, "look. your saving grace on this issue with your relationship with the "on you knees" intern may have been "I'll stay with you if you work to get me elected to the presidency? Why else would any person who is sane and have absolutely no experience in political office other than her current position try to run for President, knowing full well that her "spouse" is really popular with the voters. Something smells really bad in the room! I don't think it is excrement from an elephant. Dr Dan Says

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ztruffle — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:24:02 GMT

"The film revisits most of the egregious episodes of the Clinton presidency and the strategic role Mrs. Clinton played in punishing those who stood in the way of granting Bill a free pass. Bill Clinton recently accused Barack Obama of doing “a hit job" on him when, in truth, for years Hillary did "hit jobs" on those she considered political obstacles -- be it the women with which her husband had his way or even upright family men as Billy Dale of the White House travel office. Unlike Obama who attacks merely with benign words, she, the movie shows, hit opponents with criminal charges, IRS investigations, and smear campaigns intended to destroy an opponent’s very life and family life." (from a review of Clinton: The Movie by Aryeh Spero, HumanEvents.com)

Keeping this in mind, one wonders about the primary eve timing of the sudden exposure of Eliot Spitzer, the governor from Clinton's representative state, who was known to be lukewarm in his support for Hillary. One can almost hear the conversation between Clinton and her campaign strategist: "Well, Hillary, the tears worked for you once, but you can't try that one again. Your best public support came when Bill's infidelity was brought out, and you were seen as the victim. Too bad we couldn't replay that scenario, but what we really need is to drum up sympathy for victimized wives of cheating husbands. Maybe we could replay the scandal, using someone far enough removed from you... how about someone in your 'home' state of New York?"

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JUNKMAN360 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:24:48 GMT

PENNSYLVANIA DONT BLOW THIS OPPORTUNITY! WASHINGTON IS BROKE AND YOU CAN HELP FIX IT. THE CLINTONS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.....OBAMA IS PART OF THE SOLUTION. ONLY THE CLINTONS CAN PISS ON YOUR BACKS AND TELL YOU ITS RAINING. IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD AND SICK AND TIRED OF THE SAME OLD SAME OLD BS. THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THE CLINTONS ....DO YOUR RESEARCH.....NAFTA WAS A PROJECT OF THE CLINTONS. HILLARY IS FOR HILLARY AND NO ONE ELSE .........DO NOT BE HOOD WINKED BY YOUR EYES, EARS OR ECOMONY. TOGETHER WE CAN FIX THE WAR, ECONOMY AND HOUSING CRISIS..... IF WE WORK TOGETHER. I WANT WHAT YOU WANT FOR MY FAMILY AND COUNTRY. HILLARY WANTS WHAT HILLARY WANTS FOR HILLARY, HILLARY AND HILLARY. I AM NOT A PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN I TOLD YOU SO....I AM TELLING YOU NOW. VOTE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND COUNTRY NOT FOR HILLARY. GOOD DAY. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE WORLD.

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r.helms — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:29:05 GMT

Looks like a bunch of Obamacans here. I think I'll ruffle some feathers. Obama is a political infant in comparison to Hillary. He will not be able to withstand the political bunches that are going to be thrown by Pennsylvania, he will find himself on the ropes, hiding behind his gloves of deception and his feet of quick talking will feel as if someone tied his laces together. Can Obama handle a KO that Penn. is going to give him? I don't think so, if you look at the way this election has gone, Hillary has taken the Big states with increasing numbers, Hillary's numbers in Penn. are going to be phenominal and Obama will be staggered wandering what happened.

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real change — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:30:08 GMT

Hillary is just so down to earth. She seems to forget that her opponent did not exactly have everything handed to him on a plate. And when comparing herself to him she leaves out that while she took corporste law job(Walmart) after college Obama worked for the poor and suppressed. Who really looks out for the people?

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Nins — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:39:15 GMT

Sorry, I'm a middle aged white female professional who has felt the glass ceiling, but I can't identify with Hillary or with Geraldine Ferraro AT ALL. Ferraro's recent racist comments regarding Obama's skin color are despicable. And though I can fully appreciate what Hillary has accomplished, I have to disapprove of what she has done to get there. Not even mentioning the many shady deals in the Clintons' past (or Bill's out-of-control libido), I am appalled by what Hillary is doing to the Democratic party right now. It's a power play she should be ashamed of, this attitude of "take no prisoners and seize power at any cost." Her insistence on taking this to the superdelegate level and cutting a back room deal that disenfranchises the actual voters is a reprehensible replay of the 2000 Bush/Gore debacle.

The problem with stealing elections is that it opens the door for a political free-for-all in which the individual voter's ballots have no meaning and elections are only for show. That's called fascism, dictatorship, or communism (take your pick). It certainly is not democracy. So, even though I'm a feminist, I can't be swayed by feminist rhetoric when I see crimes against the American people being committed in the name of "girl power." I want a female President too. But consider how damaging it will be to women's future chances in politics, if our first female Commander-in-Chief is hated by the people for her skulduggery and election fraud.

And remember how Geraldine Ferraro's cheating on her taxes KILLED women's political chances at the Presidency until now, 25 years later. I don't want to give away the next 25 years to Hillary Clinton's mistakes.

Oh, yeah, Hillary hasn't released her tax returns yet. Are you old enough to remember what happened to Ferraro's candidacy after she released her tax returns? She got flushed down the toilet, and with her went the dreams of millions of American women.

Maybe if I'm lucky, I'll still be alive in 25 years, when Obama's daughter will run for President.

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yesyoucan2008 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:41:35 GMT

I was thinking about Spitzer and was wondering if Bill was any of the clients #1-8. ztruffle had an interesting perspective on the Spitzer resignation. It would not surprise me if the Clintons seize this opportunity to project Hillary as a crusader of sorts. Clinton has been said to throw everything including the kitchen sink. Heck I believe that she has yet to throw the bathroom tub, or the jacuzzi out back for that matter. She has been portraying herself as "the underdog" ever since super tuesday. She complained in debates about getting the first questions (hello, set the tone), and now she has Ferraro citing reverse racism and sexism (wh-wh what???). Time for change- change you can believe in and change you can trust. posted by a former republican, now independent.

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Pegley — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:45:12 GMT

There's a reason Hillary Clinton is 15 points ahead of Obama in Pa. It's because she's better equipped, more experienced and the better candidate for the President of the United States. If she'd come into the arena with Barak Obama's qualifications, she would have been laughed out of town. If Pennsylvania votes the way I think it will vote, it's not because the citizens are deluded or misinformed or starry-eyed. It's because they've listened beyond the silky rhetoric, the easy promises and realized that true reformation comes through hard work, grittiness and the ability to do whatever it takes to make change the reality on the ground. Not simply a promise, or a shiny, mystical experience but the real deal in all its rag-tag, human wonder. Hillary Clinton is willing to fight for this nomination, which means she'll fight for us, all of us with bulldog ferocity. And if you don't think the first woman as Commander -in-Chief would be a sea change then you haven't been paying attention!

Stand up for her, so she can stand up for us!

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MikeForHillary — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:48:42 GMT

Thats my girl..."madam President"

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yesyoucan2008 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:59:08 GMT

r h helms,

I will concede Pennsylvania to Clinton solely on the basis of her dirty racial tactics. She has managed to polarize America and open up old racial wounds. The white people in Penn. outnumber minorities 8-2. Obama will get the educated white voters and the black votes (35-45%, while Clinton brings home the closet racists and the uneducated, old , white voters (55-63%) Delegate net gain of about 33 due to portional dlegate structure. She will still be down around 80 delegates with less racial areas such as Oregon, South Dakota, Indiana and of course NC (Obama Territory.) bottom line- she will lose pledged delegates, States and popular vote.

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nomore — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:11 GMT

After throwing the kitchen sink for the past two weeks and for another two months to come, the only question left is "how low can she go". She's losing in states, delegates and popular vote. The fact that she and her team will do and say anything to be elected will be the ruination of the Democratic Party.

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nomore — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:03:06 GMT

hey bluegirl...are you just stupid or plain ignorant? what dribble...

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MikeForHillary — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:07:27 GMT

So 90% of Black voters who voted for B-bama in Mississippi are not "closet racists"...why is it that

when B-obama is taken to the matt. its racial? O please...wake up! ..smell the coffee.

This has turned into a race vote...because of him, and his lil minions!

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r.helms — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:15:22 GMT

Well yesyou, there are no closet racists in Penn. because you have called them ALL out. Not very wise, huh? In regards to your earlier post, funny thing is we were just talking this a.m. and wondering if perhaps Barry Dunham was client # ?

It sounds as though you yourself are extremely racist which I find rather comical since you have no problem pointing out eveyone else. Not to mention that what you say makes zero sense because if Hillary were using "dirty white tactics" as you have implied, wouldn't she be getting all the white votes. Obama and you don't seem to have any problem taking those white people votes, racist.

I also hope you brace yourself for a much larger defeat than you anticipate, game on. If in fact Hillary is using "dirty racial tactics, then why is she getting any black votes at all? Too many holes in your theory, try again.

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dweaver30 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:17:03 GMT

Obama doesn't stand a chance in PA. Why? Because it is a big state and he cannot win a big state except his home state of IL. Come on people - wake up... If he can't win the big states in the primaries how in the heck do you think he's going to win them if he is the nominee? HE WON"T!!! The only things he can win are caucus states which have not voted for a Democrat in the Presidential election for 20+ years. These states almost ALWAYS go Republican. Besides caucuses - the only primaries he can win are smaller states with a huge majority of black voters - without the support of white and hispanic voters - he won't even win these states in November. Don't be fooled by Obama's team spouting delegate counts and number of states won - because it is very misleading when you stop and think about it.

If this Democratic election were the Presidential Election with the same states won by each so far - Hillary would have already secured the numbers needed to be President. There are no "caucuses" in the Presidential election. Big states win the election in November and Obama has yet to show he can win one. That is one of the main reasons his camp and supporters are so irate concerning a re-vote in FL. He left his name on the ballot in that state and was also the only one to run TV ads in that state. If he didn't think those votes would count why didn't he remove his name from the ballot like he did in MI?

Wake up America!!

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r.helms — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:21:47 GMT

no mas, Obama hasn't seen the kitchen sink yet. He has merely been sprayed with the garden hose. Hillary won't have to throw it though because she is far too smart for Obama. This is not a nice little state run or funded card game, this is playing with the big guys, and Obama doesn't have enough to stay at the table.

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Mariann Pepitone — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:22:24 GMT

When candidates are campaigning they are competing with each other and are trying to sell themselves to the voters. I see no reason why Hillary should not state that her father was born in Scranton, PA. She has roots there and from a young girl. Obama keeps repeating the same speech all the time but he is a good talker and has this young generation falling for his speech. He doesn't have and never will have the experience of Hillary because he hasn't been a senator long enough. His main reason for wanting to become the president is that he wants to make history. The presidency comes first and history will follow. I am not an Obama supporter I am a Hillary supporter. Its my indication that she will wind up with the nomination and Obama will go back to the senate. He may be leading in delegates but he cannot win the big states and would not win them if he was the nominee. They would switch to McCain. That's another issue for the superdelegates to think about.

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P.I.Brigade — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:28:16 GMT

The sign in the picture says it all! "Experience Required", Proven Leadership a Must"! Two definite qualities these two liberals don't possess! The only way the Democrats figured they had a chance of winning the 2008 presidential election was to put up a woman or a black man. Neither of them have what it takes to be the President of the United States.

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r.helms — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:31:25 GMT

You go Mariann, Obama fans just don't get it. Why on earth do Obamas supporters think the Republicans want Obama to win? Why have Republicans voted for Obama? So naive to think it is because they really like him and think he will do great. Just incase they haven't heard it yet let me put it as simple as possible. The Republicans want Obama on top of the Democratic Ticket because, ready? THEY CAN'T BEAT HILLARY

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Mariann Pepitone — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:31:29 GMT

Blacks will vote for their own people and you cannot blame them for that. Its the whites that turn away from their own. If all the whites voted for Hillary she would be ahead now. But whites have a hard time sticking together but blacks don't. I am a Bill Clinton fan and I will vote for Hillary along with my family. Hillary has much more experience and knows what changes have to be made whereas Obama would have to get help. He lacks experience and capabilities to run this country. I also agree with Geraldine Ferraro in what she stated and should not have stepped down. The truth is the truth and the facts are there. You can see it with the media and you can tell when he is talking. Don't believe that he is a fan of white people because he isn't. Hillary will win Pennsylvania and probably if they get the Michigan and Florida delegates back she will surpass him but Howard Dean doesn't want that because he endorsed Obama and wasn't supposed to. They should relieve him as the chairman of the DNC.

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r.helms — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:33:34 GMT

Oh No!! The British are coming, (you know, the Reds)

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steve02001 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:35:20 GMT

So "Philly cheese steak Hillary" is a real Pennsylvanian? whiter, older, more blue-collar and more conservative. Exactly the type of voters that will probably go to McCain in droves in the general election. Obama is the only candidate that can bring in a new wave of democratic voters, young, minorities, independents, and yes even moderate republicans, and win the Presidency for the Democrats. The Democrats need someone who can win some of those red/purple states, not just the traditional blue states; the "Philly cheese steak" cannot do that.

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r.helms — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:37:19 GMT

EEEAHHH -- or whatever that sound is that Howard Dean makes

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iamthepan — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:38:15 GMT

I am a 55 year old woman and this is the first election where I am ACTUALLY voting FOR someone instead of against the other guy. Barack Obama shows such strength in his quiet demeanor while Hillary Clinton blathers on about nonsense. It would seem that she is accusing Barack of voting for an energy bill which she opposed. Well come to find out it placed heavier taxes on the energy industry and gave a lot of money to fuel alternatives and was the "correct" vote. So tell me Hillary, why did you vote against it?

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iamthepan — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:44:57 GMT

Well let me just say one thing... Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush.... If you keep doing the same thing, you will keep getting the same results! The reason there are fewer jobs in Pennsylvania is because no one thought NAFTA through. NAFTA was the Clinton's claim to fame. And you want to put them in again?

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Alvy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:48:07 GMT

Hey Mariann ACTUALLY wrote:

"Don't believe that he is a fan of white people because he isn't."

So now he hates white people?

"Blacks will vote for their own people and you cannot blame them for that. Its the whites that turn away from their own."

Whites kinda stay with ther own. Unless of course there was never any real need for affirmitive action and it was just an illusion...

...No wait it wasn't.

Think I'll go by a sheet at Brooks Brothers.

"I also agree with Geraldine Ferraro in what she stated and should not have stepped down."

Can you imagine how it would feel to be black and have someone tell you that you SUCCEED because of your skin color?

People like Mariann are exactly like HC. Clueless.

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SheilaP510 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:49:23 GMT

When is Hillary going to release her tax returns? Why hasn't she? Why does change the subject whenever someone ask her for her tax returns? What is she hiding?

Everyone else has released their tax returns. Where is all this experience she keeps saying she has? Where is the evidence to back up all this experience? Traveling around the world with her husband doesn't count. She's never been president her husband has. She is a follower not a leader. She will go along to get ahead instead using her own judgment. I don't trust her; she's too emotionally, irrational, and arrogant.

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herk123 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:58:01 GMT

"I'm one of You"?? No, she's one of them. She's rich, arrogant and on of the good ol' boys. You know, she has a reason for not releasing her tax info...she's one of them.

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Mariann Pepitone — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:05:24 GMT

r. helms: You are so right. The republicans cannot beat Hillary but they will beat Obama. He has yet to capture a major big state and I believe he will not capture Pennsylvania. I don't know too much about delegates but I do understand that superdelegates can switch their delegates from one candidate to another. I don't know about her winning in North Carolina but I feel that Howard Dean needs to be replaced. He is the one that refuses to let Michigan and Florida seat their delegates because Hillary is the only candidate on the ballot in Michigan and she would capture the delegates in Florida also inwhich Howard Dean is a supporter of Obama and that's why he won't let them do that. They should never nominated him for chairman. I never liked him from the beginning and to take a re-vote means Hillary could lose Florida and Michigan. Both Governor's should take it to court and let the courts decide what to do not Howard Dean.

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Hopeisalive08 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:09:13 GMT

The interesting thing is that if Mrs. Clinton's resume-padding expereince were reviewed by any potential employer, and investigated (by reading Greg Craig's memo detailing Mrs. Clinton's actual foreign policy experience, for instance) she'd be fired and escorted out of the building for her dishonest exagerration. Be careful of your analogies Mrs. C ... they might come back to bite you! Oh, and I think maybe she's looking at Sinbad for Secretary of Defense, I mean with all of that on the ground, dodging bullet experience HE had in Bosnia on the USO tour, er I mean diplomatic and military mission. Rofl....

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sunoverla — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:14:24 GMT

If Barack were a one-term white senator, he would be a wimpy John Edwards.

Here's Barack in his own words re: being unqualified for POTUS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU

"words matter". - Barack Obama

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Jancieb — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:17:54 GMT

Do you ever write anything positive about Clinton? You always have to put your petty two cents in. I would venture to guess you are one of the Obama supporters

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USA Gone Crazy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:21:14 GMT

What a frenzy! We who are not on the Great Obama Bandwagon sit and watch the hoopla with amazement and disgust. Why? Well, if you look closely, both Clinton and Obama are indeed Democrats. Yes, Democrats! What have we been waiting for these past eight years? To get rid of Dub-ya and his Republican cronies and put a Democrat in office. Now we have the chance to do so, but there is one hindrance: a Democratic party divided. All the "charisma", youth, inexperience, attitude, zeal, preaching style, and pep rallying just do not cut it with those of us who expect intelligence, integrity, experience, diligence, appeal, acumen and wisdom to be part of the presidency. No, we "old folks" or "old-fashioned folks" are just not ready to relinquish the presidency to some junior senator who has made it clear with half-truths and omissions that he is entitled to the nomination, and we are unmoved by the whirlwind that surrounds his campaign. We say, sadly, "Sorry, not this time". We have in Hillary Clinton a phenomenal candidate possessing every fine quality that could be imagined in a presidential contender, but the Obama camp would like to simply throw away what she and the Democratic Party have worked years to achieve.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:22:23 GMT

Seems marianne and r.helms know all the irrelevant info that we need to know. They should run as pres and veep.

Yeah! That's the ticket? The helms/mariann suburban ticket.

Please just have one opinion based on something other than housewife emotion.

I bet they are as stiff, stern and bent on obsessive, useless revenge too.

What has Hillary accomplished? Ever? And succeeded at?

Howard Dean? It was a choice decided almost a year ago. Who needs courts, let marianne/helms decide. When they're done they can clean up baseball.

Now it's a tactic.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:40 GMT

Hillary clinton talking of all her years and ready on day one

is like a master electriction of 50 years wife saying "because i've

been married to this master electrician, I can wire your house"

come on people wake up, shake off the Clinton spell....

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

debunker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:28:54 GMT

I find it interesting that Ferraro made these comments to the newspaper last week. Yet, the media just got wind of it the last couple of days? Wonder how they got tipped off? The Obama campaign sure has come in front of the cameras on this issue. Why hasn't he come forth on previous questions such as Rezko? (We're still waiting on details about Obama's relationship with Rezko and his contributions.) Didn't see O in front of the cameras concerning the "Monster" comment. He was correct after the Wyoming primary saying he was going to attack more...he's been attacking. And the Clinton campaign? They've been very quiet. So where's the media and public scrutiny towards the Obama campaign and their tactics?

“Minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters." Is that a racial comment or fact? I guess it depends on who says it. If one suggests that race is a factor

in a political campaign one is considered racist?

“Minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters." --Barack Obama as quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times after the New Hampshire Primary. I guess race is a factor. If he says it...it must be true.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

SheilaP510 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:30:44 GMT

Well can mariann/helm please let me know when Hillary will release her taxes, since they are so well informed on Hillary? Or do either of you have tax returns that you can publish? The beauty of debate is there are two sides. We just happen to be on the opposite sides.

I don't have a reason to support Hillary because I don't trust he double dealing. She's a con artist of the worst kind because what she says is believable if you don't read between the lines.

Since you helm/mariann know so much about Hillary. Would you please post her experience?

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

debunker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:37:57 GMT

Hillary's list of accomplishments is too long to list here. But, I'll give you a hint, if you haven't genuinely investigated both candidates...their voting records and public service records are very similar...except she has more of it.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Fuh Q. LaRee — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:43:17 GMT

Debunker, don't you have a website to claim your facts? You don't have to type, people want to see facts, not hear people's opinions.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

NEW AMERICA — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:43:21 GMT

She is not one of us. My mom is from Pennsylvania, and a large part of her family still live there. And I can tell you that all voters in our family from collage age to 92 yeaars old will not vote for her. We were brought up to be honest, caring people, so of course we would not vote for Hillary.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:46:11 GMT

Debunker confidently said:

"“Minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters." Is that a racial comment or fact?""

Well it's a racial comment obviously Mr. D.

Good debunking.

If there were an IQ, Personality or SAT test question that asked:

You're a politician and you are trying to get your point across to the American people who love this country and what it stands for, do you:

a. Try to communicate with word and example how you're going to relieve the present distress presently suffered by US Citizens.

b. Compare and contrast you're political values, foreign policy and US economics with the opposition.

c. Make a comment about race because it really won't scare the white folk , it's fair and has a place in American Political arenas

d. Both A and B.

You know the answer Mr. D.

But it's not nearly as fun as stirring the pot of distrust in color.

When you call minorities boy and they get mad, do you say they're too sensitive?

You're too easy to read country.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:46:12 GMT

Meet some of the Clinton's friends....you know some of the buddies and pals that Billy pardoned in 2001...... http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Mariann Pepitone — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:50:53 GMT

New America: Are you referring to the fact that Hillary is not honest? No one is twisting your arm to vote for her, vote for Obama the candidate that is so honest he had to copy all of Patrick's speeches, listen to MLK, JFK & RFK speaking so he can sound like one of them. I can read him like a book without the cover. He is only interested in making history nothing else. Hillary has much more experience than he will ever have and more intelligence. If he was elected president this country would be in a disaster like you never seen it before and he would negotiate with our enemies and the terrorists would be celebrating. What is wrong with the white people today. Black people vote for Obama why don't the whites vote for their own.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

ObamaMama — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:51:33 GMT

Why didn't the opponent representing New York state say to MIssissippians, "I am one of you"? She flipped them off like she disprespects Senator Obama by avoiding use of his distinguished name. She's on a VANITY RUN for woman president, NOT in the interests of the entire nation. Look at how many states she blew off. Her lukewarm remarks when FerrarO-ODIOUS pulled a Bill, and her "wait and see" remarks about what should happen to now former governor Eliot Spitzer, indicate not only her lack of judgment, but her hesitancy. Her overreach for experience is absurd. Wisely, Senator Obama isn't about to mention a shared ticket. It would sully his good name. One must look at who would have to step up to the plate if the Lord has an even higher calling for President Obama! With respect to foreign policy, I hope the media wises up and eliminates all the hypotheticals to the candidates, exactly for national security reasons. Our nation has already suffered the loose lips of the current president advertising to the enemy exactly what he was going to do, and weeks and weeks ahead, even. Notice that General Petraeus, who didn't make this war, keeps a tight lid on his plans. The media must realize that the zealousness for every detail in print jeopardizes the lives of our servicemen and servicewomen who have been put into harm's way through no fault of their own. So, media, back off all the hypotheticals. Any president has the capacity to hit the ground running AFTER being properly informed of intelligenceand seeking as much wise counsel as possible. BUT the one I want to hit the ground running is the one and only one who EXERCISES EXPERIENCED JUDGMENT, EVEN AS HE CAMPAIGNS DAILY, WHO RETAINS DIGNITY AND RESPECT IN EXERCISE OF THOUGHT, SPEECH, ACTION. There are wondrously inviting potential runningmates to be considered. Certainly wouldn't consider one who treats you like a shoe-wipe, whose brazen ego offers the second cut to the LEAD Democrat???

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

lrmcc — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:51:45 GMT

I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE HATE EVERYONE HAS IN THEM. EVERYONE SPENDS TOO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY ON THEIR HATRED TOWARDS HILLARY CLINTON. THE BEST TIMES WERE WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE. HILLARY HAS WORKED VERY HARD WITH HER COMMUNITY WORK, AS FIRST LADY IN ARKANSAS, AS FIRST LADY IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND IN THE SENATE WITH FOREIGN POLICY COMMITEE. SHE HAS A LOT MORE THAN YOUNG OBAMA. I THINK HE IS A GREAT GUY BUT HE IS NOT READY FOR THE JOB. NO ONE IS PERFECT, I MEAN NO ONE. EVERYONE HAS FAULTS INCLUDING YOUNG OBAMA. ONE OF HIS FAULTS IS HIS VOTING RECORD IN THE SENATE. HE DOESN'T SHOW UP TO VOTE !!! HIS THEORY IS WELL....IF I DON'T VOTE FOR IT, IT WON'T PASS. I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM AT ALL. I GET THE IMPRESSION HE THINKS THAT BY NOT VOTING FOR OR AGAINST THE ISSUE, HE CAN WIPE HIS HANDS CLEAN LATER ON DOWN THE LINE. ANOTHER FAULT...HOW CAN HE NOT KNOW HIS ECONOMIC ADVISOR MET WITH CANADIAN DIPLOMAT AND DISCUSSED A NAFTA ISSUE. THAT ONE WAS A MAJOR LET DOWN. WE KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HILLARY, SHE IS AN OPEN BOOK, WE KNOW HOW SHE THINKS. OBAMA JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE . MY VOTE CLEARLY FOR HILLARY.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

debunker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:54:48 GMT

If you're speaking of the Obama quote, that was in the Chicago Sun-Times, shortly after the New Hampshire primary. Article written by Lynn Sweet. May still be on website in archives.

If you're speaking of records...sorry to say (?)...if you are truly interested in facts and not opinion you will have to read. Read the candidate's websites, if nothing else. Read! Compare! Research!

Don't act as sheep that follow the latest fads...ask questions.

People here want links to websites and facts? Don't think so. Most just want to trash the candidate they're not supporting.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:57:06 GMT

Just wondering, how many folks think this poster shown in the above article, was a plant...the same way the two 22 year olds we're planted with the iron my shirt posters, so it could give Hillary the gender pitty me thought.......oh wait, is that a teardrop.....LOL

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:00:01 GMT

Mariann/helms for Emperor!

She now said: 'What is wrong with the white people today. Black people vote for Obama why don't the whites vote for their own."

Their own?

How about having their own opinion based on fact instead of yours based on ignorance?

Still - clueless little Mary. Do you read books without pictures?Travel?

Whew.

If there were a commercial about a sleeping black, Latino, Jewish or Indian kid, would you want Marianne answering that phone at 3am?

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:04:59 GMT

Did you notice that everyrthing Debunk man said applies to him more?

He still didn't come with a single fact.

So who's the sheep Mr. DeBaaaaaunk!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:07:11 GMT

hey Alvy....

did you know that the one kid in Hillary's 3a.m. aid...is now grown up and an Obama supporter?

I thought that funny when I saw it on the news....

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

irishgal49@msn.com — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:11:48 GMT

Has everyone forgot that Barack Obama is not 100% african American? His mother is white, which makes him 50% black, 50% white, So sure a lot of white people are voting for him. He has white blood . So the comment about white people voting for their own kind is totally ridiculous. Bi-racial people are not all black.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:16:17 GMT

Hey Mega;

That pretty much says it all.

I hear she's eighteen and a little embarrassed...

Not as much as Hillary or Big Bill but...

Not a move that panned out.

She needs to work on that intense, tight and angry face too. She looks like she wants to kill BO in the one-on-one's.

The tactics and political brow-beating don't frighten me; it's the fact she can't hide all that erhhh... aghhhh... discomfort that's troubling.

She looks like DeBunk dude writes.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Tech Recruiter — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:16:37 GMT

So now being African American in politics gives people an "edge" in this country? Come on! Barack Obama is in his position because of his hard work, experience, and intelligence. Nothing more. That's like saying Hillary is in her positon solely because she is a woman. Not true. They are both in their positions because of they are both talented politicians. But my vote is for Obama. Oh yeah, and I am not African American.

Obama '08

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

debunker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:17:49 GMT

In an article in The New Republic, Princeton historian Sean Wilentz charges that Obama's campaign deliberately smeared Hillary and Bill Clinton as racist in order to capture the votes of Blacks and college liberals.

On a related note, an article in the Chicago Tribune (6/07) observes: "Despite often lofty rhetoric that he plans to bring the nation a 'new kind of politics,' Sen. Barack Obama has surrounded himself with operatives skilled in the old-school art of the political backstab."

An excerpt from Professor Wilentz's piece follows, and in an MSNBC video clip he makes his case more succinctly:

"While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics. . . More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the “race card” were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students."

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ImBets — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:19:57 GMT

100 REASONS TO SUPPORT SENATOR CLINTON

Go to http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27120 for the complete list of 100.

The original author is David Speakman. "This is a tribute to the first viable female candidate in U.S. history; someone who has what it takes to change the world by leading this nation in a way we've never seen before." Here are only 6 from the list:

Reason #1 to support Hillary: In Arkansas she was instrumental in straightening out their school system - taking it from one of the worst systems to a role model used by other troubled schools on how to improve public education. ...

Reason #7 to support Hillary: She was one of the key Senators who fought to give our military badly needed raises and increase in benefits. For being such flag wavers, it was the Republicans and Bush who resisted these attempts to show our military how much we value and appreciate them.

Reason #19 to support Hillary: In October, 2000 she said it's not enough for America just to apologize for slavery and move on; we need to concentrate on civil rights now....

Reason #24 to support Hillary #24: Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance.

Reason #26 to support Hillary:[A.K.A "Whoopi Goldberg's reason to support Hillary"]

Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)

Reason #34 to support Hillary: Wants a complete re-write, a Total change in No Child Left Behind. (August, 2007)

Go to www.Hillary.com and click 'ISSUES' and read her solutions.

Please support Senator Clinton ... I'm Bets ...

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

15R8 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:28:40 GMT

Iam a Hillster you can be a Hillster too

VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON

bho can never lay claim to being less of a risk than the Hillster .

fight the modern day McCartrhyism that seeks to usser in the new age slur.in days gone by that type of person saught to brand many a person who opposed tyheir view a communist .

The new age slur seeks to brand innocent people racist that is siimply McCarthyism in a newer tefflon package but it carries all thedamage that the old age McCarthyism brought on the homeland!!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:30:48 GMT

Hey DeBunk;

If one doesn't bring up race, none will be charged with the race card.

Have you read the opinions here? Which 'group' is stuck on race?

It's a certain kind of person using race all the time...

Oh yeah! Like you.

What has Hillary done? And keep color out of it.

Probably impossible for you - but try. Ask Mariann how she does it.

Note: Obama probably doesn't have to smear to get the black and liberal vote. Just a guess.

Everybody politically motivated surrounds themselves with those skilled in backstab. It would be no fun picking on you if senseless words didn't make 'real Americans' like you all itchy and nervous.

She lost the liberal vote by looking and acting like the establishment Bunkster.

What do you think the slips and late night bomber hero commercial did for white America? For minority America?

Nice quotes though. Did those come with a free camouflage hairbrush?

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:32:29 GMT

Mercy what can i say...

Monica for president, Hillary for VP

Like she said....The one with the most experience

at least Monica was in the same room during important phone calls....LOL

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

WorkingClass_White_Female_Obama_Supporter — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:35:40 GMT

Yes! Just have to second all the reasons given by Older_White_Male_Obama_Supporter below...

I'm a feminist, but also rural-raised, never had a latte, and I see no good reason for giving my vote to Hillary. PA, I hope you don't fall for the two-faced pitch.

In answer to the ridiculous "latte-sippers" labelling by HRC, think again. A good chunk of Obama's donors (voters who care enough to donate and will damn sure make it out to vote in the general election) are people like me who can only afford to give maybe $25 at a time:

"[In 2007] Hillary Clinton raised about half of her primary money from donors who gave in amounts of $2300 or more... Obama raised a remarkable 47% of his individual contributions in the fourth quarter from donors who gave unitemized contributions of $200 or less... Clinton raised only 15% of her individual contributions in the fourth quarter money from donors who gave unitemized contributions of $200 or less." From http://www.cfinst.org/pr/prRelease.aspx?ReleaseID=177

And Hillary is not, nor has she ever been of the working or even middle class, so it's ridiculous how she tries to imply otherwise.

As for the "no substance/experience" attack:

*Obama = 11 years elected service (not even counting community organizing work); Hillary = 7 years elected service

*take a look at the worthwhile legislation Obama's sponsored or co-sponsored, vs. the stuff she's put forth/gotten passed (some mentioned below, see the original records at www.thomas.loc.gov; see summaries at http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2008/02/experience-hillarys-legislative-record.html, or http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633)

*keep in mind "Obama has been in the Senate for three years, two of which were spent with a Republican majority that would not even let legislation sponsored by Democrats reach the floor for a vote and, on the few occasions where Bill Frist granted such a luxury, Republicans shot down most Democratic initiatives with extreme prejudice. In the current (110th) Congress, the Republican minority has blocked everything but the Senate chaplain's morning prayer and is on pace to by a wide margin filibuster more legislation than any Senate in U.S. history. " [http://www.agonist.org/bob_geiger/20080222/to_those_who_question_obamas_legislative_accomplishments]

*Hillary bungled the health care initiative when Bill was in office (she created a hugely bloated and ineffectual bureaucracy), and has financially and politically mismanaged her own presidential campaign. Does not bode well for running the country.

Obama is more than talk; he gets the job done, and he'll do just that after uniting the country to win over McCain!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:38:26 GMT

Oh No!

A Hillster?

No way did anyone write that.

A La 'I'm a Pepper?'

No stop please. I'm rolling around with tears welling in the corners of my eyes!

That's almost impossible to write even with our diminished school system problems.

Too much Ginko, meditation, incense and herbs.

What do your crystals tell you 15R8?

Like Debunk - no opinions based on anything but mere emotion. C'mon. We have a race going on and you babble. Is that how you teach your children after yoga class? Do they ever get facts?

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Jaster — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:51:28 GMT

Caution: Clinton is opening a wider margin in PA over Obama despite Obama registering many new voters, yet in head to heads with McCain, McCain in winning +6 in PA over Clinton, but only +3 over Obama. Are Republicans in PA switching to Clinton to vote her in the primary but intend to switch back to McCain in November? This influence was definitely shown in Texas after Republicans turned up to vote saying 'Rush Limbaugh sent me'. This all portends that the democratic nomination process is now in severe danger given that McCain has been selected as the nominee and Republican voters are free to mess with the Democratic nomination process. The longer this process continues the more damage that will be done.

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Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:51:44 GMT

ImBets;

I understand your comments for support for Hillary, but is there any individual accomplishment you can think of, that was helmed by HRC? Not making light of you support quotes, but I wonder what she did that is distinctively her. Her idea. Her baby and her success.

It's good to support greatness and great ideas; it's good to follow through and finish something that needs to be finished. But, it seems she did more on par with what Barb Bush did - other than winning a senate seat.

She speaks well, she is believable when she is not angry, but I can't find something good done for the masses authored by her.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

RWonder777 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:55:52 GMT

Why is Senator Obama against counting Florida and Michigan's voters?

He says that he is following the rules. I didn't know Hillary didn't. As far as I know, both didn't campaign in either state.

Senator Clinton believes what the majority of Americans believes in. That voters in Florida and Michigan votes should count and that they should be represented by delegates at the Convention.

How can a person who is running for the President of the United States be against representation for over 2 1/2 million voters? Should these voters that are shunned by Senator Obama vote for Senator McCain in Florida and Michigan in the General Election if he is the Democratic candidate? And why not? If they are not that important to him, maybe they should vote for someone who believes that their votes should count (Senator Clinton). If Senator Obama gets his way and these 2 1/2 million voters should definite vote for Senator McCain who I'm sure would be more than willing to have their votes. After all, I think Senator McCain would as President of the United States represent all 50 states and not just 48.

Regardless of how Senator Obama feels, if he does not convince the DNC or make every effort to ensure voters in both of these states get representation at the Convention, than they definitely should not vote for him in the General Election.

As the candidate who is running for "Change", then regardless of the rule, he should ensure that there is "Change" in this process. Start now and show the people that not only does he "Talk the Talk" but "Walk the Walk". Start with "Changing this rule by working around it ensuring that the people who support you and those that don't, that you are more than a man of words". "SHOW THEM YOU ARE A MAN OF YOUR WORDS - CHANGE BEGINS NOW".

The people who made these rules are "Washington Insiders and are of the old mode". Show everyone what type of man you are and will be as "President of the United States". I'm not from Missouri, but I'm asking that you "SHOW ME". Are you just an eloquent speaker and one who just talks?

Regardless of the rules in place, how can anyone disregard the votes of those that voted in good faith. They did not make the rules.

NO SMALL GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS (DNC, SUPER DELEGATES, ETC) SHOULD DECIDE THAT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTES SHOULD NOT COUNT. "DO WHAT IS RIGHT" AND CHANGE. SENATOR OBAMA START SHOWING EVERYONE NOW WHAT TYPE OF MAN YOU ARE".

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Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:01:53 GMT

And wonder777 can pay for the new vote.

Not me. Not again.

This happens election with some state messing it up. This not particular to 2008.

If it could be done cheap and not by Floridians, I would understand.

Michigan and Florida are notorious for screwing up the process.

If it was decided last year - no.

Let it stay no.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

mjno — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:02:14 GMT

It is quite simple. Do you want:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cCG5Tp4ZwZI

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:13:18 GMT

Way to go mjno!

The voice of the people!

The stupid, uneducated voice. I feel for you kids - if someone consented to have another one just like you.

Ask the question directly.

The only thing worse than a racist, is a cowardly racist.

Dah! Do you want the Malcolm X president or June Cleaver white people?

The only thing QUITE simple is you.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

BeachComber — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:09:29 GMT

Alvy you are so right.

Unfortunately, mjno represents the view of Mariann, bebunker and other trolls on this blog.

More tragically, he represents a large majority of people that are no more than sheep who

stumble and react at the mention of Obamas middle name or who readily embrace any

racial opinion or comment as significant and important. These people are lead to pasture

where they are hand fed the rants of morally dubious people like Bill Cunningham. They

then appear on these blogs and parrot the comments like their own, original thoughts.

I would laugh if it was not so trigic.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

not_another_american_idiot — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:18:48 GMT

The stupid and un-educated are the one's who bought into Obama's wannabe messiah impersonation and not only empty but BORROWED words!!!

The only mistake Hillary has made is using big words like "Un-i-ver-sal Health-care," "A-ffor-da-ble coll-ege," "im-i-grat-ion re-form," most American's can only understand the really simple words like "hope" and "change" and the rest just confuses them.

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llgarrity — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:22:03 GMT

Hillary, we didn't like the part about sex in the White House with an intern, impeachment, back and forth infighting between sides, which you seemed to learn a lot from these days. Is that what you mean by being ready on day one. You must feel so angry at Barack. How dare he come and challenge you for the position for which you were presumptively the nominee. How dare he be more organized in campaigning, appear more trustworthy, be the first to talk about change and hope, and be a better speaker. And this comes from someone who has been a lifelong Democrat and voted for your husband twice. But I, like many others, are tired of the games you and those of your ilk play. Cut it out! You are doing your (my gender) no favors.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:41:53 GMT

I agree americanidiot....hey Russia has universal health care, and France,...down with Socialism Hillary you go girl......and when the country is broke, the health care system will be pick and choose who deserves to live.....this 92 year old man, or this 25 year old man....both have the same illness, but who will be the greater worth in the long run......think about it.......

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Jillie — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:51:32 GMT

look at the exit polls from mississippi...3/4 of hillary supporters likes mccain compared to only 1/4 of obama supporters. if hillary does not get the nomination, better practice saying 'president mccain.'

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:57:59 GMT

yes,, bring back those peaceful fun loving Clinton Years......

It's 3 a.m. and the phone rings....we've got bin laden in our sites mr. president, just give us the go to take him out...hello, hello, mr president are you there..1. Somalia, Africa

2. Kosovo, Serbia

3. Haiti

4. Iraq (bombed)

5. Afghanistan (bombed)

During his Administration the following happened:

1. USS Cole was attacked

2. Embassy in Kenya was bombed

3. Embassy in Tanzania was bombed

4. World Trade Center was bombed the first time

4. Oklahoma City Bombing

FUN FACTS:

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Montiero — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:01:50 GMT

RWonder777 your entire statement is based on the falsehood that Obama does not want the delegates from Michigan and Florida seated. He and his camp has said several times that they want them seated and the voters of Michigan and Florida to have a chance to have their voices heard in a fair campaign where both candidates' names are on the ballot and both of them have their opportunities to make their cases to the voters.

According to the Detroit Free Press Obama's National campaign manager, David Plouffe, said a full primary in the states or a caucus could solve the issue of a do-over.

As reported in the NYT this morning here is what Clinton said: “The results of those primaries were fair and should be honored.” Fair? When Obama's name did not even appear on the Michigan ballot? How can that be fair? It seems like Clinton is the one that wants to disenfranchise voters.

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Jillie — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:01:55 GMT

Cut it out! You are doing your (my gender) no favors.

stop talking about unimportant, and totally irrelevant history. oh, maybe as a woman you don't have the smarts to make the distinction.

you don't speak for me, lady. you are the embarrassment to my gender.

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not_another_american_idiot — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:09:46 GMT

llgarrity, I'm not sure how Bill having an affair has somehow become Hillary's fault and how that relates to her ability to lead our country??? I guess logic is not one of the criteria used in electing a president for most, all you want to see is a likable celebrity and some hollow words, forget about the issues and the state of our nation and the detriment it would cause our country if we elect a guy with nothing but a year old voting record in the Senate and some fluffy words about hope. If he gets into office, I really HOPE that there is a divine power up there otherwise we are all SCREWED!!!!

And megatrend53, this is not Russia, we still live in a democracy and it can be a pretty damn good one if the right people are running it. Hillary is not proposing a socialistic health care system, she wants to make it mandatory for all to have health coverage and make the cost affordable it is something that she has worked at for a very long time and understands very well. Not to mention it is a democratic ideal and something many liberals have wanted for a very long time.

Obama is proposing the same idea with a half-a** plan, if he attempts it, or anything else, yes, it will probably be screwed up because he doesn't have the experience, drive, or understanding that it takes to lead us right, but I'm sure this makes me a racist for pointing this out, lol.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

cooday — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:11:02 GMT

Bruce Springsteen-Radio Nowhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLt6kcZ72Q

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," Springsteen says. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? How do we create a more humane society? We've lived through such ugly times that people want to have a romance with the idea of America again, and I think they need to.

"The hard realities and how things get done are important, too, but if you can effectively convince people that it's possible to make things better, they get excited."

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

coopdavillage — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:16:52 GMT

"Posted By: not_another_american_idiot (March 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM)

The stupid and un-educated are the one's who bought into Obama's wannabe messiah impersonation and not only empty but BORROWED words!!!

you are a moron..... talking about borrowd words why don't you look at the fact that the 3 am commercial was almost an EXACT COPY of the Walter Mondale commercial in 1984... also the fact the the "ready on day one" slogan was the same as an old bush slogan .....

as for the UNEDUCATED the educated people are voting for obama by larger margin than clinton.

the only thing i see stupid are comments by morons like you who have their head so far up the @$$ to see the real light...she is behind in everything and will lose the nomination and im glad to see it along with my wife and my daughter (10)

Clinton = bringing the morons out of the woodwork.......

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megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:18:56 GMT

americanidiot...were you born yet in 1993 when Hillary was behind locked doors making out her health care plane , FOR OVER A YEAR.....let's see, what became of that....Oh Yhea! "it didn't go anywhere"

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:24:23 GMT

Did you know that if your screen name was not_another_"z"american_idiot, the acronym would be NAZI!

Still. Lots of ingenous peratory with no substance.

You sound a bit angry. I bet your face is looking similar to Hills right about now.

Did you, by the way, say anything?

Likable celebrity?

Your not that bright and you're voting for who?

We should follow your lead!!! Yeah!!

You should tuck in your flannel shirt and come prepared old man, not sound like you have a compound in Texas.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:30:24 GMT

Megatrend we go and mow our American lawns and eat our American food; come back and evangelists like NAZI show up and stir the pot again with nothing to say.

Race, race, race, blah, blah - nothing.

Could they be on the McCain ticket?

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not_another_american_idiot — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:33:55 GMT

Wow coopdavillage, a little testy I see. I suppose all educated people throw temper-tantrums like the one you just threw. I personally thought that the replica of the Walter Mondale commercial was actually quite clever and intended to be a replica but thank you for enlightening me, I now feel like an educated person after our profound and in-depth political conversation, lol.

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Kim in Pasadena — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:35:52 GMT

Senator Clinton seems to be from so many states it starts to get rather confusing. Although I probably shouldn't talk, since I spent summers in Kansas, 12 years in Colorado, 6 in Oklahoma, 5 more in Kansas and the last 17 in Pasadena California with the occasional weeks in Texas where my parents now live. I do hope that the voters will focus on what Senator Clinton has yet to offer -- any clear vision of where she would like to take this Country so that her policy plans actually become reality. We all know that fighting will not do it -- didn't work in the 90's and it failed during her tenure as a Senator, too. Senator Obama is offering us a vision of a new direction for America. Together we can act together to get real change. He will put controvertial reform hearings (like health care) on c-span and we can watch, comment and participate by informing our elected officials what we think. This is possible and it is what Senator Obama is offering along with a nice slice of civility and perserverance.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

SheilaP510 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:39:21 GMT

Oh ok, I get it! So you're only educated if you support Hillary, but you're uneducated if you support Obama. WOW! We are free to support and vote for the person we feel would be the better candidate. He is not using scare tactics, nor is he using racial undertones to create division, He is trying to stick with the issues that are affecting our country. Debating is healthy, but when you have to resort to name calling and childish banter to prove your point. It shows a lack of intelligence and an inability to articulate your point using facts and a strong argument.

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megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:40:29 GMT

Alvy...

I don't know what to think here, i only talk about what i've seen over the 55 years of my life..

including 26 months in country 1971 through 1973.....and then hear the clinton's talk about how they hate the military, and watch our country's military almost shut down in their 8 years...it's a big shock, unlike some others , I wasn't drafted I inlisted.....i only wish we'd have had all the tech. that

we have now, maybe President Johnson wouldn't have lost 59,000 of our brothers in arms...

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coopdavillage — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:42:46 GMT

not at all i'm just sick and tired of all the bs being spewed out. either way i look at it if for some reason (not going to happend either way) tha Obama does not win the nomination, i am one of so many supporers that will write him in on the ballot. i can just see it now "Obama wins from write ins on ballots nationwide" change will happen and those that dont want it are blind and deserve what they get.....

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progressive1 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:47:25 GMT

During the last Clinton/Gore campaign, the song "Don't Stop Thinkin About Tomorrow" was the theme. Somewhere along the line, the Clinton's stopped thinking about TOMORROW.

This is 2008. It isn't the 90's anymore and the world has changed drastically since then.

Barack Obama has a vision for NOW and TOMORROW.

I joined the Clinton campaigns because of hope in tomorrow...That's why I became an Obama voluinteer 13 months ago.

The Clinton campaign has been self-service, negative, fear mongering and divisive.

As it was in 1992, it's time for CHANGE!

OBAMA 08!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

not_another_american_idiot — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:50:51 GMT

Wow, now I am a nazi for expressing a view that you don't agree with. Real mature and educated view I see. I was actually born and raised in the beautiful state of CA and I have never worn a flannel shirt in my life, but I forgot, according to the media the only people supporting Hillary are un-educated, poor, hicks living in the mid-west.

In reality, Hillary has won practically EVERY LARGE DEMOCRATIC state in the nation with DIVERSE populations, Obama has predominantly won in the deep south where most of the democratic voters are black, as is the case once again in Mississippi.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Olias Ranyart — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:05:38 GMT

Ever since Bill Clinton won the presidency in 1992 I have whole-heartedly supported him and Hillary, and I was going to vote for her during the primaries. But I changed my mind once she started attacking other Democrats just like a Republican would. This is unacceptable and reprehensible. She is a traitor to her own party to claim that McCain has legitimate experience but Obama just gives speeches. And if Hillary wins the nomination then the Republicans are just going to play the video of Hillary praising McCain over and over and they will call her a flip-flopper (just like they did John Kerry in 2004). This shows what kind of judgment Hillary has. SHE IS A TRAITOR TO ALL DEMOCRATS, AND SHE DOES NOT CARE IF SHE JEOPARDIZES OUR PARTY IN HER PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO TRY TO CATCH UP WITH OBAMA IN THE DELGATE COUNT. SHE IS LOSING AND WILL NEVER RETAKE THE LEAD SO THE ONLY WAY THAT SHE CAN WIN IS TO OVERTURN THE WILL OF AMERICA AND FORCE THE SUPERDELEGATES TO VOTE FOR HER (she will need about 250 votes of the remaining 300 superdelegates to reach 2025 whereas Obama would need less than 100). And once I saw this video on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDOGU4q-F4), I was relieved that I did not vote for that two-faced traitor Hillary because she can only claim to take decisive action on hypothetical questions, but when it comes to reality she does not stand by her speeches and claims.

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Olias Ranyart — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:16:05 GMT

In response to Not_Another_american_Idiot's comment "Obama has predominantly won in the deep south where most of the democratic voters are black". Wrong. Obama has won 5 states in the deep south- South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. The MAJORITY of Obama's other 27 wins is in the Midwest and great Plains region, NOT THE SOUTH. So if you really believe this then you are either not paying attention to the race, or you are completely stupid, or you were trying to be racist. So which is it?

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megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:20:06 GMT

oh no....could it be, Maybe AmericanIdiot is Bubba's LoveChild....I did Not Have S.....LOL

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

debunker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:00:15 GMT

Obama has won states that are sparcely populated and/or caucus states (Republican) or states that will vote Republican in November.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

collegevoter — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:12:20 GMT

Yeah try Virginia, Missouri, Maryland, and Wisconsin on for size. She wishes she'd won half as many real swing states as he has. Can't wait till he takes PA.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

megatrend53 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:21:46 GMT

Hillary "yes as i look out over this pa crowd, I can see I am one of you, Rich and Bullet proof to any cheating underhanded sinful thing me and bubba can come up with.... LOL

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

ports — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:06:52 GMT

Oh, megatrends53-Boy, are you out in left field. When people talk of the 90's, it is because the economic climate was fantastic. We had just been through very bad times with the first Bush and when Bill C. came to the presidency, we were in the red. He brought the economy back and it stayed that way through the 90's. The second Bush took us right back into the red with huge dificits and borrowing from other countries. We have lost much with Bush and it does not look like McCain will do any better. Hillary Clinton will get us back in the blac k because she has the plan that can do that. History tells the story. HILLARY CLINTON IN 08'

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

DrToketee — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:32:44 GMT

Olbermann said it well: several of the best Presidents in the last 100 years had no more than 4 years elected experience. Yet two of the worst - Nixon (14 years) and Coolidge (23 years) - were among those with the most. Most of the idiots she stands in front of don't know she has 4 years LESS elected experience than does Obama, and has been responsible for a small fraction of the volume of legislation than Obama has been. Hillary: the overwhelming choice of the ignorant and the lazy and the racist.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

SAADIQ19 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:13:15 GMT

I am surprised some of us still compare Obama with Clinton. It is like comparing Eliot with Ashley. Obama has a better chance to become President in Kenya than in US.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

ports — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:27:18 GMT

Thank you IMBETS for sticking to the issues. I like discussing the candidates views but most of the people here are about mean spiritedness and are not interested in these candidates history at all. They pass over any details and get to the mudslinging. You had a concise, accurate piece of info and that is what I want to see. I would like to see the economy pick up and I believe wholeheartedly that we need national health insurance. Most people don't realize that even if you do have health insurance, there is a cap on the amount paid and with national health insurance that would not be a problem. Also, the amount paid for the insurance would be according to what you can afford. Companies would still have insurance for their employees. The insurance has gotten so high that many people just cannot afford it. That would not be the case with national health insurance. I have spoken to many people who have been wiped out when their insurance capped out and they used all of their life savings to pay the bills. I do hope this gets resolved in the next few years or we will see more shrinkage to the middle class.

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ports — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:27:22 GMT

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

ErnieFairchild1 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:29:03 GMT

DrToketee,

Its funny that you should accuse others of ignorance by using such foolish statements.

ON the one hand, you criticize Hillary for having too much experience, like Nixon and Coolidge. Then, you say Obama has more experience than her. Ummmm..... Wow, I guess Obama's groupies don't have his way with words.

As far as Hillary supporters being racist, why don't you ask how many African Americans are voting for Obama because he's black. How about the AA's that are threatening black superdelegates that if they don't support Obama, they will organize campaigns against them, calling them "race traitors." How about the double standard that people like Al Sharpton employ, criticizing discussion of race while saying that we have to act a certain way cuz Obama is the first black candidate with a real shot at the presidency. How about the Obama camp distorting Bill Clinton's words in SC, saying that the whole "fairy tale" thing was about race, when it was actually about Barack's convoluted Iraq position. HELLO?!

The insidious hypocrisy from the Obama campaign is sickening. It's pretty lazy and ignorant of YOU to be so easily duped by some hot shot who throws some buzz words in front of you like a man throws his dog some bones.

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ErnieFairchild1 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:32:27 GMT

I should have also said that I am a Hillary supporter and I am not racist. I find racism revolting. ALL racism, including the racist tactics form the Obama campaign and many, many of his supporters.

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Aidan — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:08:51 GMT

Obama, our next President!!!

Get used to it!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

brad_adams99 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:30:32 GMT

"...why don't you ask how many African Americans are voting for Obama because he's black."

Even though the article being commented on had nothing to do with race, I would just like to point out that there is a difference between identity politics and racism/sexism. I've heard many women say they support Clinton because she's a woman. Are they sexist? No, and neither are African Americans voting for Obama because he's black racist. Somebody saying they would not vote for Clinton because she's a woman? Sexist. Somebody not voting for Obama because he's black (as Gov. Rendell suggested)? Racist. Saying that the only reason Obama is beating the pants off Clinton is because he's black? Racist. Not voting for Clinton because she's a divisive, polarizing figure who has had more mixed messages in this campaign than a dictionary in a hurricane and who has displayed a willingness to take down the Democratic Party because she's petty and bitter after sticking by her cheating hubby just so that she wouldn't ruin her chances of becoming President? Good judgment.

If not Obama, I will choose McCain.

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char12 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:07:08 GMT

Please go watch Obama's preacher on this video!!! I can't believe it. Did anyone see this on the news???

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27218

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Politra — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:38:25 GMT

ONE THING I CANNOT UNDERSTAND-

FOR HILLARY CLINTON, WHAT IS IMPORTANT ? PARTY, NATION OR WIN ??

***

WITH DUE RESPECT, I SUGGEST ALL AMERICANS TO DEEPLY THINK ABOUT IT !!!!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

hotstuff — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:22:21 GMT

"THE HILLARY DISEASE"

Symptoms:

1) WARPED LOGIC

2) LACK OF CONSCIENCE

Prescription: A strong dose of Obamatic..... A good education

and a little dose of moral values could be helpful.

Caution: "The HIllary Disease" is very contagious and can be contacted

by way of osmosis between Hillary and her lemmings.

(The Obama folks are naturally immune.)

HELP AMERICA ERADICATE "THE HILLARY DISEASE"!

Consult your nearest doctor!!

re: Clinton's Pennsylvania Pitch: 'I'm One of You'

Jack3213 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:41:44 GMT

CLINTON IS ONE OF SOMETHING AND ISN'T ONE WITH 'YOU' SHE IS NOT VETTED, NOT EXPERIANCED, AND NOT QUALIFIED. SHE PLAYS MANIPULATIVE GAMES WITH PEOPLE EMOTIONALLY AND IT IS A DISEASE AND A DISGRACE, SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUCKED INTO WAY TOO LONG. OBAMA IS NOT ANY DIFFERNT, MIND YOU, AND IT IS A SHAME THESE TWO ARE THE ONLY CHOICES WE HAVE FOR A DEMOCRAT. THE ONLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATE IS MCCAIN, CLEARLY.

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"Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:47:39 GMT

Hillary's apology last night to African Americans is another case of too little, too late.

The sincerity of her apology and any real concern for the Democratic Party's prospects in November can only be measured by her withdrawal from the race.

Apologies are not supposed to take the form of a strategy that you then profit from; the damage the Clintons have done to the party is immense, and her continued campaign only worsens the situation.

It is time to move on.

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Junglejim123 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:05:01 GMT

iF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT WHO IS MORE QUALIFIED SEE

WWW.OBAMATRUTH.ORG

SOMETHING YOU WONT SEE ON OPRAH

GO hILLARY !!!

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hope-3 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:06:56 GMT

Many of you still do not get it.This is not about bragging right's as to who's candidate is winning.It's about uniting the democractic party with the strongest candidate possible.It's beginning to appear that might be obama.This is about the survival of the democractic party and nothing else!

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"Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:13:45 GMT

Okay, Ferraro's comments were, like the Clinton campaign itself, ridiculous but not racist.

So when has ridiculous been a winning hand for Democrats?

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durango88 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:21:17 GMT

Hillary cannot win more elected delegates than Obama.

If she wins with superdelegates, overriding the voice of the people, the Dem party will be greatly damaged.

It is up to PA to end this divisive campaign which will give the Presidency to the GOP.

It is up to PA to end spending our time and money to damage each other.

If PA votes for Obama, the Dems still have a chance.

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OldGamer007 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:23:13 GMT

Last I checked, his mother was white. So for anybody to put him in one category or the other, only goes to show why our country ranks 29th in the world when it comes to an education.

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Emile Mervin — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:00:28 GMT

Hillary is going to win Pennsylvania by about 10 to 15 percentage points, and will get a slightly bigger percentage of delegates, but still won't overtale Obama's lead. So she has to keep pressuring Florida and Michigan to re-do votes so she can keep trying to overtake Obama.

But what does this say of Clinton's manipulation of the DNC? The DNC, which is supposed to be bigger than Clinton,made a rule and now it is bending the rule to facilitate Clinton's desires. If Clinton held a comfortable lead over Obama, not only would Obama be pressured out of the race, but there won't be need for re-votes. Hillary truly is a monster, and now she is raising the race card! Vote John WAYNE McCain.

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tatata — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:02:17 GMT

Hillary is a Pennsylvanian just like she made peace in Ireland

Ask the people of Western NY what she has done for the working person.

i hope we don't get fooled like Ohio.

We won't get fooled again.

A Pennsylvanian

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char12 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:33:03 GMT

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27218

I want these people running our White House!!!

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Jato — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:46:52 GMT

Sen. Clinton is correct when she says this is a long interview. In say so, our poorly educated voters should wake up and disqualify Clinton.

She has blatantly lied about her experience with foriegn policy, messed health care up once before (when she thought she was vice president), acts on emotion and has no couth when under stress, is out right disrespectful (catty remarks won't go over well in N. Korea and Arab nations).

America needs to think about our relationship to the world and what we need to accomplish domesticaly. She is too arrogant and her husband too domeneering for America to trust.

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Bass Pro — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:48:43 GMT

Hillary will spend the remainder of this year atoning for the "Racial Slurs" that were used by the Obama camp to hurt her campaign. Ferrarro's remarks were ignorant and Bills Jesse Jackosn S.C. remark was Racial but not Racist but stupid nonetheless. The remark that were twisted by Obama remain unreported. The Hillary statement of LBJs assistance in the enactment of the Civil Rights Act was spun by Obama into a diminishment of Dr. Kings accomplishments. The RED PHONE ad on National Security was spun into a warning that a Black Man was going to break into your house threat. The Barack not ready theme was spun into a Church Revival type chant that WE'VE waited too long, yes we can reply.

I wonder if Hillary mentioned the Civil Rights Activist who were murdered and buried in the swamp if that statement wouldn't be spun to mean she was diminishing the Black leaders who led the fight.

The attitude of the Obama camp is, We don't need anyone but ourselves and the rest of you are racist if you oppose us.

I guess I'm just another Florida Racist that will be working hard to defeat Obama in 2008, and working hard again to elect Hillary in 2012. This is the mission i'm on and I'm sure i'm not alone. Obama with the help of MSNBC has unfairly and and with malice attacked a person I greatly admire and respect. I'm not letting it go. In November Obama's concession speech will accuse America of not being ready to accept an African American for President. We will be labeld a country of racists who haven't matured. His loss will not be blamed on the racist labels he has placed on everyone who had a different point of view. He in truth, is as much of a racist as any MISSISSIPPI CRACKER ever was.

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OldGamer007 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:53:19 GMT

Char12; Only a true racist would see that video and try to make something out of it. As a white male who supports Obama and grew up in the slums of Suffolk, point out one lie the Rev. White say's? Didn't think you could.

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elmo11199 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:57:36 GMT

You always were and always will be bias against Hillary Clinton.HEADLINE,NEWAWEEK IN BED WITH Obama,Newa flash for you people Clinton will squash obama.like the little bug he is.Being from Pa. I can tell you thats a fact.Stick Newsweek wher the sun don't shine.

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elmo11199 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:03:48 GMT

I see you only post things that are against Hillary Clinton,and for obama.And to think I used to subscribe to Newsweek.That will never happen again.

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Driver of wagons — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:46:20 GMT

What comes around goes around and when it's sh!t it smells. Hillary knows she is dead in the water and McCain is just treading it. Carl Rove thinks he has control over this election but the one thing he didn't figure he would have to compete with is the America people. WE are standing up in great numbers at every primary and the totals are growing at an incredible rate. Way to go everybody lets keep it up and take our country back! It must be a large majority in November or we will not have what we so desperately need, Change!

People in the pocket, you can see the buldge but you can't quite make out the profile.

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tatata — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:01:38 GMT

Hillary thinks she is Bill Clinton,

That's as ridicules as Yoko thinking she's a Beatle

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markus1976 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:17:53 GMT

Hillary...

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even if you win HUGE in Pennsylvania AND a Florida re-do, it is a mathematical near-impossibility that you could regain the lead. So WHY are you staying in the race?

Ask yourself, if you convince the superdelegates to tip the nomination in your favor DESPITE having lesser pledged delegates and a lesser popular vote, do you REALLY think that will be a good selling point in November?? The GOP will JUMP on the fact that you were not chosen "by the people"...

your continuing in this race is not only jeopardizing the general election, it's also jeopradizing your legacy, not to mention your husbands'...

Sen. Obama has won. It's okay to let go.

...bow out now, with at least SOME dignity!

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mjkoch — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:18:45 GMT

I would love Obama to choose Al Gore as his running mate and announce it now. The Clinton's would be furious and the charge of inexperience would be negated by adding a former Senator, Vice President, and Nobel Prize winner to the ticket. To announce this before the Pennsylvania primary would be fantastic! I pray that the Obama team will consider this. I hope they do not make the mistake of choosing someone the nation does not know. If they are smart enough to choose Al Gore this will go a long way towards moving the superdelegates to Obama, and will have the extra added benefit of angering the Clinton's immensely. :) Let's see them try and attack a ticket that includes Bill Clinton's former running mate and the person who won the popular vote in 2000.

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Driver of wagons — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:51:41 GMT

So now she starts with the "Of The People" bullsh!t mantra. This lady has so many personalities Sigmund Freud could do a 10 year case study on this one and still not figure out which is the real Hillary! Can you say verifiable nut case? See, I knew you could.

What would she say if she was running against Mr. Rogers? I've always wore more sweaters around The White House than Mr Rogers has on his TV program so you see I am more qualified. Makes as much sense as saying she heard about foriegn policy when she was in The White House so I am more qualified to be President on day one. So what is she saying that those other 1459 days of the 1st term she doesn't have clue as what to do? This phoney is one for the books.

On day one what this person will do is call in the decorators and get rid of that southwestern decor that Laura Bush defaced the interior of the Whitehouse with, change the china, change the sheets, change the paint and ready the Lincoln Bedroom for paying guest. You don't really think she is going to intrust that to the 1st gentelman do you? How can she be a good President and a 1st lady all at the same time? IMPOSSIBLE!

For those of you who don't get this? This is meant to be funny. Even though it probably will be true it still is only meant to be funny!

LOL

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pmcs — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:02:47 GMT

Logic:

Clinton's campaign -- If Obama was not black, he wouldn't be here. If he was a woman, he wouldn't be here. Analysis -- this is purely subjective and exremely difficult to prove.

Reverse the logic -- If Hillary was not a woman, she wouldn't be here. If she did not meet Bill at Yale, she wouldn't be here. Analysis -- These statements are more based on facts and very probable compared with the above, groundless assertions by a mad individual.

Ferraro attacks Obama; Bruno attacks and is happy about the fate of Spitzer. Ferrao and Bruno are both Republicans. Is this statement based on fact? No! Are Ferraro's statements based on Facts? No! That filthy lady was a vice presidential candidate because she was a woman!!! Is this a good argument? No! Shut the f up the filthy mouth that helps nothing for Democrats -- Ferraro is campaigning for Republican party.

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ErnieFairchild1 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:23:34 GMT

To brad_adams99: First off, I was responding to someone else's comment that claimed all us Hillary supporters are dumb lazy racists. Don't criticize me for defending against stupid attacks.

You're distorting Ferraro's comments to suit your own purposes. She didn't say that the only reason Obama is where he is is because he's black, she said it's a big reason, and it is. He would not seem nearly as revolutionary if he wasn't, and he wouldn't get the overwhelming black support that he is getting now.

Also as far as Clinton being petty, I didn't know you knew her personally. It's obvious that like most many Obama supporters, you have chosen to buy into to the caricature of Hillary Clinton created by her most fanatical rivals and enemies. There's no doubt she may have some personal failings, like all of us, but it's sad that i order to cement your own support for your candidate you've resorted to such personal attacks, which is what Obama's candidacy is all against right? (Of course the pathetic hypocrisy of Obama supporters between message and practice is for another day.....) Ask yourself why Hillary is such a "polarizing" figure.....It's because people like you care more about sensationalistic nonsense and demonizing people rather than looking at the good they've done for their country (again, not what I thought an Obama supporter is supposed to be like)

Now, would I say that blacks who vote for someone just for the color of their skin are racist? Not per se (of course let's admit that if a white person voted for someone just cuz they were white, they'd certainly be called a racist). But I do think it means that the person is voting for the wrong reasons. One of the qualifications for leadership is NOT the color of your skin. The color of one's skin shouldn't be of ANY consideration. So, for someone to vote for someone b/c of the color of their skin, whether it matches their own or not, points to something very troubling: the fact that we HAVEN'T, as a society, gotten over racism, and at the very least it's remnants remain in the form of racial bias.

So, supporting a person based on the fact that they've been able to effectively, even in the face of great adversity, create positive change for our country? Intelligent. Supporting someone who throws wonderful words at you even while there is so much evidence that he doesn't mean any of it? Sad and disappointing.

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ErnieFairchild1 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:31:38 GMT

brad_adams99: You also ignored the fact that some African Americans are threatening black superdelegates to support Obama b/c he's black, saying they are race traitors if they don't. That IS racist. That is garbage and it shouldn't be happening with anyone.

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OldGamer007 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:04:50 GMT

ErnieFairchild1 : "You also ignored the fact that some African Americans are threatening black superdelegates to support Obama b/c he's black, saying they are race traitors if they don't. That IS racist. That is garbage and it shouldn't be happening with anyone."

And women are doing it as well for Hillary, doesn't make it right, just makes it a historical election on both sides (Gender and Race), and passions run high. Remember Hillary's comments "Us divas must stick together"? Gender pandering is no different then race pandering, and I have yet to hear Obama say "Us brothers must stick together"... Think about it!

Gender pandering is the whole reason Hillary lost 50% of the male vote...

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Bill in VA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:51:52 GMT

That photo and the first sentence of the second paragraph in your article (which is a verbatim Hillary Clinton quote of last night) is another example, in a long series of them, of hidden insights into the disingenuous, slippery, and untrustworthy character of Hillary Clinton and her campaign. (A well-known previous example was the planted “student-with-a-question-from-the-audience” rouse that made national news two months ago.) In your article’s photo, that one of “hundreds of homemade signs” held and made by, supposedly, a typical Pennsylvania citizen/rally attendee is exactly the same (including words, layout, and amateurish lettering style) as one that was seen in TV/video highlights last month at a campaign rally in another state. Moreover, that sign in the audience at the rally in North Philly last night (Temple U.) and, apparently unbeknownst to you, Hillary’s calling attention to it in her speech was a rigged contrivance of her campaign. No big deal, you say? Well I think it gives insight into why the Clinton’s are not trusted, and even despised, by so many people. In the order of priority of things in life, someone’s strength of character and integrity should come before their experience and supposed qualifications. (Mr. Spitzer has recently reminded us of this point.) That sign in your photo is a metaphor for the charade that passes as the strength of Hillary Clinton’s character and integrity. There was nothing genuine about that sign, its origins, or Hillary’s words about it.

One more point about your article, if you’ll allow me. In talking her drivel last night about her, her father’s, and his family’s roots in the working class folks of Lake Winola, PA and its environs, she neglected to mention that Hugh Rodham was a registered die-hard Republican all his life and that she herself was a member of various Young Republicans Clubs during the years she was making those (now fondly remembered) trips to Lake Winola, PA. I’m neither a Republican nor a Democrat but am an independent that can size up Hillary Clinton for what she is made of on the inside, where one needs to shine a little light to see reality and truth. As the attribution says, often heard in the press and on TV, for the Clintons, it’s all about them…..certainly not us, their speeches aside.

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hope-3 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:46:41 GMT

That's right folks keep making it about race and place right into the clintons hand because it is the only way hillary can win.Obama dosen't need to play race based politics, he has build-up a sizable coalition(as any good politiction should do) without it?

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Nins — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:48:07 GMT

A blogger named Edson writes "Did the word Democrat really come from democracy?"

Here is a derivation of the words "Democrat" and "Republican."

The United States of America is a republic, that is to say, a Federal government in which the people are represented by elected officials from the various states. Before we were a republic, we were a democracy made up of 13 individual states that were not united. A democracy is a form of government where the individual citizens have the right to speak their minds and influence the political discourse. Democracy was named after Demosthenes, a citizen of ancient Greece with a speech impediment who practiced talking with his mouth full of pebbles to overcome his disability. Demosthenes later became a great political orator. This is where the Democrats derive their name.

The original Republicans were in favor of the states joining to form a republic (which is how that party got it's name). The original Democrats were opposed to this idea, they represented the individual states and were worried that the republic could gain too much power over the states, and through the exercise of tyranny, deny individuals their freedom. Trust me, people were pretty passionate about their liberty in those days, having just fought for independence from England. The Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were all hammered out by serious-minded men who sought to balance the need for individual freedom with our shared common cause, the needs for united strength and social order. Balancing the rights of the individual against the rights of the whole society is what America is all about. This is not only a great achievement for our nation, it is one of the greatest achievements of mankind. And we have, by and large, been true to our ideals over the past 227 years. The system of government we initially established, although needing occasional revisions, has stood the test of time.

Let's not forget where we started from, that impulse towards equality and freedom.

America is, with all it's faults, a meritocracy. Most of our founding fathers would never have had a voice in the 18th century English government they rebelled against, a monarchy where you had to be born into power. In America it was different. If you had intelligence, passion, ambition, drive, talent and a little luck, you could change the world.

This is the real secret to Obama's popularity. This is why a white, conservative middle-aged female Republican like me wants to vote for him. He's got that blend of intelligence, passion, ambition, drive and talent. I'm giving him my vote to proffer him the last ingredient, a little luck, so I can watch our Republican Democracy in action, and once again change the world.

IN GOD WE TRUST

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vclayson@msn.com — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:29:06 GMT

There is no end to HIllary Clinton's pandering but I wonder how many Pennsylvanians believe themselves to be the slow-witted and narrow-minded bumpkins she tells them they are. Perhaps she is thinking along the same lines that Benjamin Franklin did when he said that Pennsylvanians in the hills, rills and broad valleys west of Philadelphia were "white savages." Hopefully they aren't fooled by this political chameleon, it's not like they think she is one of them because of some affinity with New York, is it?

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pmcs — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:57:54 GMT

Hillary is working hard for GOP win in November.

Hillary's rule bending and rule breaking has its parallel.

Bush Cheney's 8 years have full of examples of Law bending, Law Breaking.

McCain is Bush No.3. Hillary is Bush No.3 too.

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Ogre Mage — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:15:30 GMT

There may be "more to life than snark," as Andrew says, but one would never guess it by this post. What exactly is the hidden message here?

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Christines — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:38:31 GMT

Obama's pastor Wright doesn't like Hillary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc

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sugarbooger62 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:09:59 GMT

Christines, you mean Jeremiah Wright - Obama's mentor - the Hatemonger. Sounds like the man is a racist to me. I can't believe anyone can spout that kind of hatred in a religious capacity. Shame on that man! One thing he forgets to point out is that it was a BLACK man that left Barak's mother and him when he was little, not a WHITE man. HHHUUUMMMMM. Kind of ironic don't ya' think. Blaming all the black man's woes on Whitey. According to Bill Cosby, the problems with the Blacks today are brought on by the Blacks themselves. And he has a degree in education. Who put Jeremiah Wright up on HIS podium to talk such hate. Looks like he had a pretty good following of fellow hatemongers in his audience! And he is Obama's mentor!!??? God save this country if that man is elected because ALL of us are going to be in a world of hurt!!!

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ports — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:34:47 GMT

I cannot believe that Obama went to this church for over 20 years and still supports this church. That is very frightening. Also, his anti-American statement blaming America for the terrorists attacks puts me off greatly. Why on earth would Obama support this man and this church? I don't care if he does renounce those words, he has been listening to them for 20 years. I will vote for Hillary Clinton but if she does not get the nomination, I cannot support Obama. I feel that Hillary Clinton does not want the democrats to think that way but there are worse things than a horrible war and high gas prices. I will not let my pocketbook rule me. History teaches us about men who had great charisma but their own history had shown another kind of man. I am concerned about who Obama really is.

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PA Guy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:02:38 GMT

I was asked,list some of Hillary Clinton's many accomplishments in her life..............OK

• Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children's Defense Fund.

• She began her career as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973.

• Following her career as a Congressional legal counsel; she was named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991.

• During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.

• Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.

• In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.

• She was the First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992, and was active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children, and was on the board of Wal-Mart and several other corporate boards.

• Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

• One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.

• She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

• As First Lady of the United States she took a very prominent role in public policy.

• She was the initial first lady to hold a post-graduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the initial first lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House.

• She fought hard for Universal Health Care as First Lady, although it wasn't successful, it's something she learned from.

• She visited over 80 countries as First Lady giving important speeches, about such controversial topics as human rights/women's rights in China.

• Her major initiative, the Clinton Health Care Plan, failed to gain approval by the Congress in 1994, but in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.

• As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.

• She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

• She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

• She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.

• Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.

• She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.

• She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

• She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.

• She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

• She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

• She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

• She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

• Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.

• She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

• She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

• Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.

• She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

• She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

When Senator Clinton said she has been fighting for causes important to her for 35 yrs, she is VERY accurate. Her accomplishments are staggering. Those who are questioning her accomplishments, and the things she has fought for, should take a little history lesson.

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Charles_BCCA — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:50:37 GMT

Hillary and Ferraro have inducted themselves to the Hall of Shame, along with Bill of course. Having miserably failed to win the last two states they are now back to racial attack, they have tried race card before, then the gender card, then the fear card and then contradicted on ready to be commander in chief, by suggesting cynically that she may take him as Vice President. This was a ploy, obviously, to win black vote, and it failed miserably. Now she is back to her racial card to scare white voters from voting for Obama, who is the only hope for America to bring the country together.

Hillary is like a woman scorned and has turned out be a monster bent on total destruction of the Democratic Party, with no shame. As to her experience in crisis management, all she has demonstrated that in demonising all the women her husband had sexually used, and then had to audacity to lie about so blatantly.

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Charles_BCCA — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:53:13 GMT

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chris12karen — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:29:44 GMT

Do you really think that Ms. Clinton was trying to portray herself as "nittier" and "grittier"? After all, "nitty" means "full of nits" (lice), and her pantsuit is always impecably clean. I really don't think that she's going for that look.

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CK212 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:58:07 GMT

I am really amazed that the people of PA have not looked back to the Clinton Administration and reviewed what happend with the Monsanto effect . It is a very serious issue that people should look back on before they put another Clinton Administration in the White House. Past behavior is always an indicator of future behavior.

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themagus23 — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:50:48 GMT

I don’t understand how Hillary leads in Pennsylvania. Sen. Clinton and her chief campaign strategist and pollster, Mark Penn have records of union busting. Mark Penn is the Worldwide President and CEO for Burson-Marsteller, an international PR conglomerate known for union-busting. Beware the Evil Labor Bosses, Burson-Marsteller's website warns. "Companies cannot be caught unprepared by Organized Labor's coordinated campaigns." Hillary was on the board of Wal-Mart, a criminally anti-union company, and served at a union-busting law firm. She fought for health care, and then accepted a huge contribution for her senate campaign and remained quiet on the subject...until the election.