What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:17:23 GMT

There was a USA Today poll awhile back that struck me as odd. When asked if there was a problem with racism in the US; 92 percent of the minorities said yes while 80 percent of the white population said no. Perhaps we're looking at the same thing. There are some awfully hateful, hideously racist words that are popping up everywhere. That would be an interesting column.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

MrHegemony — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:53:07 GMT

Alvy's comment is spot-on. Let's also not forget that Hillary's camp was fanning the flames of racially-charged dialogue in advance of the Mississippi vote. While there are a lot of people who are covering their eyes and don't want to see Hillary as condoning racist tactics to win - this is quite obviously what's going on here.

Remember, "this is the fun part"? What the heck do you think that meant? While I personally don't think Hillary Clinton is racist, I believe wholeheartedly - I know - that she would employ racist tactics to secure herself the nomination. This is what we're seeing in Mississippi, a deeply Southern state.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pithysomething — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:32:55 GMT

Romano, do you really think that Limbaugh's call to support Clinton is really about wanting her to win? No, it's about blocking Obama, and that's exactly what your poll numbers suggest those "Clinton Republicans" were doing. They don't want her to win, but they don't want him to win even more (whether it's because they know Obama is more likely to beat McCain or whether they buy into the ignorant, misplaced, racist hate and fear of him is unknown). To suggest that that Limbaugh's exhortation to vote for Clinton played no part in Cliinton winning self-described Republicans in Mississippi is a fallacy. It could very easily be that those "Clinton Republicans" wouldn't have voted in the primary at all if it weren't for Limbaugh giving them the idea as a way to block Obama.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

kmcflash — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:33:17 GMT

For those of you (whether Democrate, Republican, Independent) who voted for Mr.Obama, go to msn and type in abc news, then click on "Oboma minister" ..if, after watching this remarkable

video, you do not feel you vote was stolen by Obama, well....

If you are outraged at this most racist, anti-American message from the man Obama calls his "personal friend and spiritual advisor" let someone know..don't just stand silent.

I am for Clinton, but I was never "against" Obama...until now.

If Obama were to acsend to the Presidency, his would be the most detrimental, most devisive

Presidency in history. If he stays to the teachings and advocations of his church, which at this point as he is long-affiliated , must be teachings he agrees with (despite his demurmers) most other American will be alianted. and if he somehow broke with that base, many African Americans

will be alianted. Black, white, Yellow, Brown, Red, Democrate, Repulican, Independent; STAND UP FOR AMERICA !

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

maymok — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:30:19 GMT

Let's not be confused, by bringing up the race issue, Hillary knows she will benefit. Looking at the history of our country, she is more likely to win by bringing the race issue than Obama. Because she wants to win at any cost, Hillary brought out the worse racial instincts of the Mississipi voters. And since the beginning of this campaign, the Clintons and their surrogates have done everything to polarize the country along racial lines. They are hypocrites. They have finally shown their true colors because they believe they are pre-ordained to go back to the White House, and they feel threatened by Obama. When you lose the battle of ideas, you revert to racism to appeal to the worse of human instincts.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

grabbies — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:31:03 GMT

If the numbers were "shocking" to you Andrew then that makes you extremeley ignorant. IT'S MISSISSIPPI! Is is by design that you fail to mention that of those crossover republicans that went for Hillary, what percentange of them were white? Maybe like....%100? You're going to sit there and try to write a credible article about MISSISSIPPI republicans being indifferent with a black democrat and have it be for no other reason than he's black.

Yeah, the hotbed of slavery....The cornestone of confederacy.....pretty much the main source of the residue that lingers in the nation around racism and segregation and you're shocked that republicans are against Obama. You're not serious are you? When is the last time you've been to Misssissppi? It pretty much as segregated as is it was 60, 70 years ago. You really need to come up with better stuff. How do you have a job at Newsweek?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

riciana08 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:36:05 GMT

kmcflash, you obviously had something against him, you just couldn't figure out how to justify your ignorance, thus you rejustify it with even more ignorance. Give me a break. You won't vote for him, too bad. There's people for Hillary and not for Obama for legitimate reasons, and the there is you!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

walterneff — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:40:18 GMT

Maymok's comments on the complete moral bankruptcy of the Clintons is dead on the money. How anyone with a conscience and a brain can support them is unfathomable.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

maymok — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:47:31 GMT

To kmcflash, please don't believe everything to read on the Internet about Obama. If I tell you now that Obama cheated several times on his wife using the VIP Call-girl, do you believe me? If someone asks you over the Internet to kill your father, are you going to comply? As the campaign progresses, many negative things will pop up on the Net to kill the Hope that Obama is bringing and force us to vote against our own self-interests. The bottom line in politics is "Who is funding a political campaign?" Whoever funds the campaign is the one whose interests will be represented in the White House. Obama's campaign is entirely funded by the american people, not the lobbyists, not the Saudis, not the oil companies.

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nzkphilly — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:52:02 GMT

After reading kmcflash, I did a search for Obama's church and came up with this UTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw

The speaker is a white woman who is a Conference Minister in the United Church of Christ. As she explains, this means that she works with many congregations (287) in Northern Illinois. After a visit to Trinity United Church of Christ (Obama's church) as part of her ministerial duties, her family decided to join this particular congregation even though they live almost an hour away. She explains that the denomination is a "mainline Protestant Church" and that this particular church is welcoming to all and the people are "wonderful and loving." She sounds believable to me.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hillaryforpresident!!! — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:58:48 GMT

Lol maymok, yes the racist Clinton's and Hillary with her witch craft hate African-Americans and have done everything they can to alienate their support even though when Bill was in office he was known as the "first black president," oh but he is a racist and hates all blacks. Yeah and we all know turning away voters is something politicians do all the time to get elected, lol. Think about what your saying please before you just start running your mouth.

Wow, this Obama supporter, I mean author sure makes a lot of blatant assumptions on the Hillary side yet does not point out a single trend in voting on Obama's side. "White voters in Mississippi are racist" because they voted for Hillary in large numbers. What about the fact that 90% of blacks in Mississippi and nationwide have voted for Obama??? Doesn't that make african-americans racist against whites???

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

kmcflash — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:06:37 GMT

response by kmcflash:

you are way off. As shown on ABC Good Morning America show, it is Obama's minister that says "God damn America" and "white America is out to get you" among other things..this is a matter of record, it is there to see for anyone who wants to see it...and...Obama does not disassociate himself from the remarks.

As for believing everything I read, that will never happen. what I SAW & HEARD is what I am reeacting to. If you take the time to view it, or perhaps it will be on this evening';s news programs,

you will see that I am reacting to exact and specific information. I detest racism and devisivness, and for very deliberate and considered reasons, I am not merely for Clinton, but now absolutely against the Obama candidacy. Please take time to view this video, I am, as I feel you are, an American first and that is why I am not silent on this incerdiably dangerous issue.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

jjaffie — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:15:19 GMT

".....suggests a desire to stop Obama--not boost Clinton, a la Limbaugh--was the major factor motivating Clinton's crossover voters. Sorry, liberal blogosphere: the Limbaugh effect looks like a myth."

Whatever caused it, it still happened as Limbaugh hoped. Last I saw Clinton had picked up right at 200,000 votes in this fashion from TX, Ohio, & Miss..... I haven't heard any estimates for other states.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

wordwyvern — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:19:42 GMT

I've the impression in Alabama, and it may be the same in Mississippi, that the sure and certain way to heal the split in the Republican ranks is to nominate Hillary Clinton.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

MooseHB — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:26:34 GMT

You present substantial data to support the existence of the Limbaugh effect, yet you call it a myth.

What gives?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:27:18 GMT

Mr. Romano, You may be young but don't add ( duh ) to your title. You know damn well that Mississippi is the most racist state in the union. After looking at the rest of the polling community in the U.S. it should've been crystal clear, It ain't hard to comprehend. And looking at history, if you can't figure it out, with all due repect young gun, turn in your pen and paper cause you obviously don't have the balls to speak the obvious truth either - to say what the heck needs to be said. The media is alittle better than the American public at running away from black racial issues. You have really insulted me with your short-sighted view of an obvious fact. Some republicans are racist and so are some democrats. They don't want to see a black man in the WHITE house. And they know Hillary is to damaged with her past to have as good a chance as Obama in winning the election. There are 2 reasons for you. One of which you are too scared to touch. What a coward!!! I know, you might lose your job. Right? you don't have a job if you can't be real with it. You are just a helper with a decent paycheck if that is the case, Mr. Romano. Where's the pioneers at. When was the last time you went to Mississippi and talked to the black people there about their living conditions in that state, huh? Have you ever heard of HURRICANE KATRINA, huh? What the heck do you think that was. Don't you know what you were looking at. ( MODERN DAY RACISM ) clothed in present day garb. You've got to be kiddin me?!!! You are like the rest of these cowardly journalist!! I liked you, too. Now I have lost confidence in our furture of news reporting because someone so young like yourself is falling into the same cowardous pits as the journalist who you unfortunately probably look up to. What have we accomplished if our youth don't see the urgency to speak out. And by the way, when you see a problem and fail to speak out against it you become bigger than the original problem. Ever heard that before? And I am not a mean or nasty person but I will never have a problem with stating the truth of what I can plainly see. I have little respect for those who don't stand behind, in front and on the side of the people. ALL people. I just see you with the obvious in your face but you turn your head, like the rest of them. Good luck!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

dtechba — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:29:25 GMT

No, people keep saying Republican's like Obama but that is because none of them have really looked at Obama's record. Obama is the MOST LIBERAL front running presidential candidate in the last 40 years. That doesn't hurt him now during the Democrat primary but it will haunt him during the general election when facing a more moderate electorate.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Lossiette — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:30:45 GMT

News Flash. This is America People. For the People, By the People. People=White People.

I am over 50 years old. I am a black female. I have been a member of one church all my life and plan to be a member dead. I am a United Methodist, and we change ministers every 3 years or so.

I have had many ministers that I did not agree with,

Blacks in America use the only medium we have to unite and encourage our people to fight for justice in this COLORED BLIND COUNTRY. Our churches. During the campaign season is the only time we have white folk visit our churches. They need our vote.

Rev. Wright use of the pulpit should be taken into context, What kind of Event was this sermon meant for? We are not playing on an even field folks as you all know.

If Martin Luther King had not spoken out for injustice in America we blacks would still be sitting at the back of the Bus. This is not racist it is the Truth. Does it hurt? Rev. Wright first point is on the money. Blacks are jailed more than Blacks. No I don't want all the quilty black people released from jail, but I also know that white folk get a pass on a lot of charges our young black people do not get. Black folks only want to be treated fairly, and justly like everyone else, and until that happened, (not in my life time) I thank God for Ministers that keep the fight going.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

dtechba — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:31:05 GMT

To hankfm6, so Katrina only hurt minorities? Wow, I didn't know inanaimate objects could be so selective.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:31:21 GMT

My problem isn't that blacks are turning out to vote or that they are voting on the basis of race overwhelmingly. That's fine, a matter of individual choice. What bothers me are two things.

First, although Obama claims he doesn't want to be labeled the "black" candidate, his radio spots targeting black voters are clearly designed to do that with an "us" against "them" racist mentality.

Second, blacks are pressuring black super-delegates who were supporters of Clinton on the basis of their individual appraisal of her experience and electability, to change their votes on the basis of race, shunning them and ostracizing them until they come out for Obama.

THAT is what is dividing our party; that is what is raising Obama's race as an issue, not anything Clinton is saying or doing.

Obama keeps blaming the news coverage of the issue on Clinton, but it is his own fault.

If he quit appealing to the black vote on the basis of race, if he and his campaign quit pressuring black superdelegates to vote for him on the basis of race, them maybe the media would quit mining the issue.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

kmcflash — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:32:17 GMT

reply to ricianao8.

look at the other 2 posters who responded to my posting. No name calling, no panic, no stark lack of maturity...they just stated their poistions. While nzkphilly looked at a different site than the one (ABC NEWS...nothing else to type in) I was refering to, both posters simpley say what they have to say and are therefore to be respected. You are likely so imature that you will not look at the site and see for yourself, but should you have a considered opion via looking at the sight, repost your comments, I am really interested in how you will react. Also, you should know I am not putting down your hero, I am standing up for mine (and your) rights as an Amereican citizen (up until

today, Obama was my 2nd schoice and had he become the party's candidate, I would have voted for him ... now I cannot in good conscience do so

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

latincello — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:35:36 GMT

Andrew, I think you don't understand what is meant by the Limbaugh effect. It doesn't really matter whether the Republican crossovers are primarily motivated by their hatred of Obama. Irregardless, they understand two things: (a) it's better for the Democrats to drag the race on and keep slinging mud at each other, and that requires keeping Hillary in the race and (b) and this is secondary, Hillary is clearly the better candidate from a GOP point of view, that is, easier to beat!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:36:41 GMT

To all of those people who want to hang their hats on Obama's minister as a problem for Obama, you are all corny hipocrites and phonies. You sit in your little computer rooms and type BS, when you have some unfavorable people in your own families and churhes, that you still follow. This country is full of you folks and it shows big time in the overall decision making, election results and our major standing around the world. SPIN THAT!!!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:41:47 GMT

Republicans were voting for Obama in the earlier primaries was because they believe they can beat him. They voted for Hillary in Mississippi, not because they are racists, but because they want to get Obama to spend all that money he has raised to win the primary, AND because they want to divide the democrats.

The racism displayed by Obama's black supporters who insist on super-delegates picking "their" candidate even if he can't win the general election, their threat to boycott the general election unless he is the presidential nominee is self-defeating. THIS COUNTRY CAN NOT WITHSTAND ANOTHER REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

Republicans will not vote for Obama in the general election, just like they won't vote for Hillary. They admit as much.

Do the math. In the states where there are significant black voting populations, there are also significant republican voting populations. That is why those states go Republican in the general elections. The black vote may be sufficient to beat Hillary there, but it won't be enough to win the white house.

To win in November, democrats need to win the "big" states, where Hillary has shown she has the necessary support. Obama needs to admit this and start working on his supporters to make sure they don't divide our party on racial lines.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

bederest — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:44:50 GMT

I'm A Mississipi Republican. You folks just don't get it. The reason Republican's are crossing the street to vote for Clinton is because she is aA sure loser in the general election!

The Republican's didn't invent this so-called "dirty trick," but the Dems actually were the first to use it.

Another thing; If John McCain had a racist preacher, (Such as Obama's) he would be chased out of the senate.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:44:55 GMT

Stupid in Alabama. I think it's called competition and leveraging. Don't be mad because Blacks want to leverage their ethnic power to affect the election result, legally. You are just trying to surpress the peoples ability to pull all of their resources together. Whites, Asians and Hispanics do it everyday and no complaints. Are you kidding me? Or are you a racist, too? Are you sure your not so stupid in Alabama?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

John Harrington — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:46:48 GMT

The answer is simple: Mississippi still has a lot of hard core racists. I fear the hatred that is likely brewing in the minds of crazies there well-supplied by the second amendment and their messianic visions.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

qhopkins — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:53:28 GMT

It saddens me that from these posts and those after the story with Geraldine Ferraro to see that this campaign has turned into just what most of us hoped it would NOT.

Hillary threw the kitchen sink at Obama, so David Axelrod was forced to reply by lambasting Ms Ferraro for her ridiculous statements. Now a lot of African-Americans are insulted by the tone of this debate and much of the European-American population is backlashing against their feelings of being pushed to far on affirmative action and perceived reverse racism.

I wish everyone would take a step back, not allow the race-baiters, bigots, sexists and others with a dog in this fight such as the REPUBLICANS to run the Democratic party and intelligent Independents into the ground.

Take a look at the candidates based on THEIR comments and their stances. John McCain is a hawk and guaranteed to take us into war. He is a respectable man and served his country proudly so he should not be slammed by anyn means. I don't think that because he's older or has been in the Senate longer that he has Presidential experience any more than any other candidate. He has no comprehension of the Economy per his own mouth and thanks to Mitt Romney pointing it out for us. BAD CHOICE.

Senators Clinton and Obama do have similar experience in government, all things considered. I don't give either an edge in experience and their are huge differences between them.

Check for yourself and forget what their underlings are saying and doing because they are too arrogant sometimes to know that they're ruining what should be a historic election cycle.

Read their books, listen to what their peers have to say about them and take what you hear in the media with a grain of salt because CNN has a bias and Fox News has a bias. Believe it or not Lou Dobbs is not any more Fair and Balanced than Hannity and Colmes in their overall coverage.

People say they don't like the negative politics but allow it to affect their decisions. Give Barack credit for trying to stay above the fray. Believe Hillary when she apologizes because anyone that has heard anything about her knows that had to be very difficult for her.

I'm off my soap box now but I do wish to say that we need to calm down. We all have more in common than different regardless of religiong, race or gender. We're Americans , and we need to concentrate on uniting and bettering ourselves , ridding the world of terrorism and catching Ossama bin Laden and developing our next generation energy products. Give up the bigotry, there are bad and good folks of all races and believe me the ones that hate us and want to kill and destroy our country and not the ones voting with you in the primaries.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:58:16 GMT

hankfm6, voting for anyone just because of their race is racism and it tends to divide us up instead of unite us behind the best candidate.

If white super-delegates admitted they were voting on the basis of race, wouldn't you complain? Wouldn't you be upset? I would.

Pointing out racism doesn't suppress anyone's right to decide for themselves. Black superdelegates should be allowed to make up their own minds without being pressured to make race based decisions.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:01:49 GMT

Oh yes. Believe it or not, there are many,many folks out there who, like G.W. Bush, will sacrifice a few of his own sheep to disrupt the whole pack. I guess we all didn't see that happen either?! Karina showed all that America has to offer at this time, you are very right sir - SELECTION!

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re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

jnwilderness — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:08:32 GMT

First, I don't know if she's, Hillary, a racist and frankly I strongly doubt that she is. However, what she is though is a very calculating and very experienced Politician and unfortunately that does not necessarily translate into being a leader or having great leadership qualities. Witness the fact that George W Bush who is politically astute, contrary to popular belief, is serving a second term. He is good at getting into office, but his problem has been the execution of the office.

A darling of the Republican Party, actually laid out the reasoning why Hillary is their candidate of choice. Basically, and this is the gist of the message, what it boils down to is that they feel that Hillary so divisive and so despised that people will vote for the "old guy" (my words). My take on it is that she has too much baggage that she's hauling around from her previous stay at the White House. The Republican's strategy seems to be that there's enough material to keep her off-balance even if she does win the election. Her time in the White House will not be as productive as she thinks it will be. Also, she will most likely usher in the retaking of Congress by the Republicans in 2010, IF she were to win. In the words of Yogi Berra it'll be "deja vu all over again".

Frankly, when the opposition wants you to win so that they can meet you on the field of battle I would question deeply why they are being so accommodating. There should be fields of "Red Flags" as far as the eye can see. My take on that is that the Republicans feel whether HIllary wins or loses the election they will come out the winners in the long run. THINK about it. Do we really want to go through that again. It's time to thank Bill and Hillary for their PAST accomplishments, but we need to move on because this country can't continue to exist in its divided state.

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hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:10:27 GMT

Alabama, You seem to think Black people are one tracked and for Blacks only. Let me quickly clear something up for you. We see potential and he ( Obama ) happens to be Black. You wern't saying what your saying now when most of Black America voted for Bill Clinton. He's white isn't he. Yeah, last time I checked. Your point is mute. You obviously want to perpetuate your own personal views even though after further examination, they are unfounded and have no sensible basis of fact, truth or common sense

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Bullwinkle — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:11:01 GMT

kmcflash

Unlike the previous poster that responded, I don't need to defame or do any of the things you claimed that person did. Also, like the previous poster, I won't be viewing the video because I don't NEED to do so. Here's what I've already realized. People who are FOR one candidate or the other will seize upon ANYTHING they can get their hands on to use to justify (or solidify) why NOT to vote for the person who is NOT their number one choice. The last thing I'm concerned about is what someone's MINISTER is saying. C'mon, give me a break! I'm a black male, I don't care (with regards to Hillary) what Ferraro was saying about Obama. I think it was STUPID because she's giving the man absolutely no credit, but would I use that to make a decision about whether or not to vote for Hillary? Of course not. On the other hand, if HILLARY was espousing that same nonsense -- different story entirely. I don't judge people on the basis of the words other people espouse UNLESS I hear them repeating it. I'd like to say that I believe people (especially a presidential candidate) has a mind of his or her own. No doubt, they will use it properly. If THEY say or do something for which they can be held accountable, by golly DO SO. I'm going to listen to what YOU say and what YOU do to make a determination on for whom I vote. Has MY minister ever said anything with which I've disagreed? Absolutely. Do I continue to worhsip there? Absolutely. Why? I'm there for the "Christ" part, not the "opinion" part ... and I know the difference. If your "conscience" won't allow you to vote for Obama, so be it. There will likewise be many Democrats whose "conscience" won't allow them to vote for HIllary if she' s the nominee because of how she's conducted herself in this campaign (say/do anything to win by any means necessary). You may not agree with their rationale, but it certainly makes as much sense as YOUR reason for not voting for Obama. So we just won't count on your vote and Hillary can't count on mine. Wow! (Guess we just cancelled each other out! Let's hope they don't end up on the same ticket or they'll lose TWO votes! :-) lol

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desertclair — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:11:01 GMT

After seeing Obama's pastor speak about white people today, I can't see how he could possibly bring this country together, especially with the "racists" attacks his campaign is already using on people who have fought their entire political careers for equality. He will lose in the general election. Obama is destroying our chance for "change" from the Republican agenda. I hope people wake up in time to realize that HIllary is the best person for the job. She can beat McCain!

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 To see Obama's paster go here: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

candical — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:14:18 GMT

White folks in Mississippi? White folks in Mississippi who beleive Obama is Muslim? Gee I don't know why they would try to derail him.

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hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:14:55 GMT

And Yes I do agree. No one should be pressured on the basis of race. But there is nothing more wrong with Obama than with any other candidate. Bush has topped what anyone else will get away with from this point on. As a matter of fact, truth be told Obama is a better choice when you weigh the pros and cons. no doubt about it

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

basedrum777 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:17:42 GMT

hankfm6 you just proved the point of every person on this board complaining about Obama's tactics. Instead of arguing for or against why your candidate would be better you basically admitted you voted based on your race, which is blatantly racist in and of itself, but you also called the person with a differing view from you a racist, further solidifying your racist views. Wow I have not read anythign that biased in a while. Thanks for the refresher on how the Obama constituancy thinks.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:17:57 GMT

Ghopkins, Obama and Clinton do not have similar experience. Clinton was successfully organizing black and other minority voters decades before Obama. She has also served as First Lady in two executive branches, the state of Arkansas and the U.S. government, where she was expected to serve as hostess and visit other countries, interacting with international dignitaries as a representative of the white house at the same level or even higher than an ambassador. I won't even go into the various committees she has served on in the Senate.

In contrast, Obama has no executive experience in any job whatsoever. Nor does he have any real experience with shaping and working for the passage of significant legislation or serving on significant committees, since he didn't even set up meetings. He was too busy establishing a PAC to raise money to start his bid for the Presidency. And all that legislation he claims credit for in Illinois was the result of other democrats' work. He's a made man, not an experienced legislator. Check it out.

For Obama, being a Senator was just a stepping stone toward bigger and better political positions. Not only did he begin working on his next campaign as soon as he set foot in D.C,, but on many issues that were important to democrats, he backed down and refused to take a stand just so he wouldn't have a record that could be criticized. Even though he assured other democrats he would vote for their bill, in the end he voted against a deadline for beginning to withdraw troops from Iraq. So much for his anti-war position.

THAT is the mark of a politician, not a leader.

And yet, I think he is very intelligent, and would probably do a good job of selecting a cabinet and chief of staff, so long as he doesn't owe too many super-delegates something for changing their votes. He is still better than McCain. I would vote for him. Would you vote for Clinton?

The hostility Obama is generating toward Clinton is what I am complaining about. Obama has his black upporters so worked up, that they are threatening to boycott the election, to vote republican if Obama isn't the nominee. And he says and does nothing to undermine this threat or even to make it appear that he does not agree with it. He is playing into the Republican's game plan. Divide the democrats, and McCain can win.

We can not afford another Republican administration.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

old scout — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:22:38 GMT

Give us a break! We don't know why all those Mississippi Republicans hate Obama? Does anyone know how to spell "racism." This is Mississippi folks! Why do you think the Republican party has any creds in one of the poorest states in the Union? Could it be racism? Yeah, that's it, racism! Been that way since the Dems pushed the Civil Rights Act back in the '60's.

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qhopkins — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:26:34 GMT

Hi Not stupid,

I admit that I voted Obama in the voting here in Austin but he won overwhelmingly here. His message is a good one and a positive one. That hit home for most people of all races here in this part of Texas.

I have been a Clinton supporter since my first Presidential election when I turned 18 and I voted for Bill Clinton. I also admit that I do not always vote Democratic , I like to give all the candidates a fair shot at my vote based on their stance and their message.

I disagree that I can give Hillary any credit for Bill's time in office. My wife is a dentist and I can't really claim that if she isn't around that I could claim knowledge of her skills.

Make no mistake though, I am staunchly against this war in Iraq and any further war would be crazy in my opinion as this country is about to go broke a la the Soviet Union if someone in Washington doesn't wake up and start moving us into the right direction.

If Hillary finds a way to win in the primaries, although it is almost mathematically impossible without superdelegates, then she has my vote, 100%.

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drando — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:27:50 GMT

It's sad that so many of us have bought into racial politics and are attempting to have this presidential race degrade into a race contest reminiscent of yester years. In those years Mississippi and Alabama were considered to be the most racially polarized states in the nation and little seems to have changed. African-Americans have been voting for white men for president ever since they were begrdugingly granted the right to vote. Same goes for white women. There was had no other choice. Women and African Amercians have both been denied a level playing field. There Iis no logical reason for there to be suc a bitter divide between those two groups.

I had hoped that we had raised our children to cast off the racial and sexual animus that naturally arises from a polarizwed society and to a great extent we have. Bute we have a long way to go. We must work very hard in this nation to be concerned about the issues that affect us all and seek the best course for America. We cannot face the forces that oppose us as a nation if we cannot join in a common purpose. Let's think before we publish these often hateful and short-sighted posts.

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qhopkins — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:29:24 GMT

There is and will always be SOME racism but the fact the Senator Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton are the last two standing in an incredibly diverse field on the Democratic primary side, shows to me that this country has come a loooong way from the problems my grandparents fought against many short decades ago.

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Bullwinkle — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:35:21 GMT

kmcflash and desertclair,

I changed my mind and decided to view the video after all -- and I'm glad I did. It confirmed EXACTLY what I always knew. People get out of something what they WANT! If you're not for Obama, you saw that "glass" half-empty; if you're FOR Obama, you saw it half full. There are people in the world (and in your HOUSE), who view things differently than you and express accordingly. For all of the negativity you got from what you saw, let me tell you what I came away with to prove what I said earlier about you go places (ESPECIALLY church) to get what you need ... and you leave the rest where you find it. Obama was inspired to entitle his book The Audacity of Hope based on listening to his pastor's sermons. Imagine that (those who seek the worst in people & situations), he came away with the kind of insight to right a book of ENCOURAGEMENT and audacity for embracing hope IN SPITE OF what he has heard and seen others do in this country. He was inspired to make change FOR THE BETTER after hearing the worse of what he's heard people (and certainly not just his minister) say! That's why he can promote Change You Can Believe In. He wants something better for his children -- something that UNITES us rather than dvides is. Yes what a terrible sin! Also, if I heard correctly, I think that pastor has since retired. Let that not be lost on us either. So desertclair, it is obvious that you too were ALREADY a Hillary supporter, so like the one before you, ... any excuse will do!

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ace991 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:36:34 GMT

"Or it may be that there are still some racists in the Deep South." MIGHT BE?!? WHAT FREAKING WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN ANDREW ROMANO? Of course there are still racists all over this country, perhaps not droves in most places thankfully, but CERTAINLY there are MANY, MANY racist whites in deep south states like Mississippi. You show a staggering lack of understanding of this country by not recognizing this fact.

Further, on this issue of race, the sickening remarks by Geraldine Ferraro are not only racist, but patently illogical. 'Obama is only successful because he is black?" Right, then why is he the ONLY african-amreican senator in the ENTIRE country? Why didn't Jesse Jackson become the phenomenon that Barack Obama is? In fact, if Barack Obama were white, with his singular talents and his stellar ethics and judement on Iraq, he would be JFK incarnate and then some, because he would not have to deal with the resistence by closet racists who vote for a shrill, power-obsessed, unethical Hillary only because they cannot accept the thought of a minority president. If anyone is where she is because of "luck" it is Hillary; who the hell would know who she is if she were not married to Bill Clinton?

Anyone who supports the rediculous and divisive postions of Ferraro, whiich, make no mistake, are fully condoned by the Clinton camp (b/c they hope it will drive a racial wedge in Pennsylvania between blacks and uneducated, racist-leaning whites), shows that they are not only racist apologists, but downright unintelligent.

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kmcflash — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:37:17 GMT

reply to bullwinkle:

thank you for your post. what I was refering to was the message and Obama's embracing of the message. I dispise racism and devisiveness at all levels and see a particular danger to allow it to go on at the topmost of levels (White house ?) As I said, if Obama was the party candidate in

the general election, I WOULD HAVE voted for him. And, to be clear, if I hear from the Clinton camp this same kind of talk from someone 'close in' to Hillary Clinton (GD America..we desrved 911..etc.) I will feel violated, and be very reluctant to do it and have my respect for the candidate disinigrate, but I would abandon my support for her just a surely and absolutely.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:43:16 GMT

desertclaire, I'm more concerned with Obama taking credit for legislation that was handed to him on a platter than in anything his minister might have said. Check it out:

www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/2

When asked about his legislative record, Obama rattles off several bills he sponsored as an Illinois lawmaker. The problem is that he was assigned credit for this legislation by Emil Jones, Jr., who had decided to make Obama a U.S. Senator.

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," state Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the 1-yard line and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."

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jp6815 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:53:20 GMT

to all of you who hate racism as much as I do . I real also hate anti-American rhetoric. read www.abcnews.com Mr. Obamas pastor of his so called Christian church is full of hate , anti-American and racist as well as sexist remarks from the pulpit. I wonder how the Obama campaign is going to handle this.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:55:59 GMT

ace991, I don't doubt that there are racists in Mississippi. There certainly are still racists here in Alabama.

But Hilary supporters are for her because she is more experienced, not because they are racists.

BTW, how do you know what race anyone on this message board is? Why do you assume a democrat who is against Obama is white and is a closet racist who doesn't want a black president?

I would hope that all Democrats would prefer a black president to another republican president, but some don't think Obama has as much experience as Hillary. I am among that group.

As an individual, I am also bothered that Obama claims credit for other people's work. He is an academic who was studying for his PhD in literature. He is clearly a very smart person. He should know that taking credit for someone else's work reflects poorly on him as a person.

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hillaryforpresident!!! — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:02:12 GMT

Thank you not stupid in alabama, my sentiments exactly.

One more thing, since some are saying they are balanced and fair in their critique, everyone on here has cried about racism, racism, racism, well what about sexism? From what I've seen Hillary has had to work five times as hard as Obama because she is a woman in a position of power and many people automatically don't like her because of that fact alone.

I do agree that it is wonderful just to be alive in a time when a black man and a woman are running for president. I will really be impressed however when a woman and a black man can both run and their gender and race are not even mentioned and they are judged as PEOPLE. That will be real American change and we are far from it.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:02:30 GMT

Alabama, Clinton has generated negativity for her own self. She was doing well in S.C. until her people started playing the race card. We Black folks are loyal but we ain't all stupid. And you see what kinda support she gets from the Black community now? No buddy, if you want to blame someone you can blame Bill Clinton, Bob Johnson and Hillary herself for not denouncing those to goof-ups sooner than she did. And she really didn't. Obama had nothing to do with that so get your facts in order. We won't give ya the time of day if you think you can insult us and still garnish our support. As my kids would say, SIKE. You are being cheap trying to brand Obama for her political problems. You can do better than that, and Obama has already said in plain American english for you, He has always wanted to get into a position to affect some real change in this country. So who cares how long he spent in the senate. If he spent too much time there like he said, 'they would've boiled all the hope out of him. But that's what you want right? You folks know how to find all the negative stuff to say about people. I would vote for Clinton, however I am voting Obama first. It at this point doesn't make too much of a difference about experience and who's been in politics longer, who they've talked to ect... What does matter is do we want a candidate to bring the same crap back to our office or do we want to do better than that. Like qhopkins said, you vote for hillary, we want Obama. You can keep her and Bill. They have already given us a taste of what they will do and we don't need to vote for an impeached president's wife just because she happened to be around at the time and talk to some important people and went to some important places. That point is also mute in the face of todays circumstances. If you want a different result, vote for a different candidate, it's really that SIMPLE!!!

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old scout — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:02:39 GMT

There is so much whining about all the blacks voting for Obama, and all the women voting for Hillary. Get over it! Who do you expect them to vote for? Its a visceral reaction, a matter of heartfelt pride in one of their own reaching for the presidency. I'm an Obama supporter, my wife is a Hillary supporter. I know what I'm talking about. I do a lot of eggshell walking, because she's serious and her emotions are right under the surface. In the end it will all boil down to who the voters like the best as a person, and for me Obama has the distinct advantage. The same will hold true in the general. Just envision the race with Hillary v. McCain and then Obama v. McCain. If you are objective, which is hard for most of us at this stage, you will admit that Obama is the Dem's best choice. If he is up against McCain it will be the new against the old, the future against the past, the cool against the angry, the peacemaker against the militarist, change against more of the same, hope against stubbornness, diplomacy against nationalism. I could go on but you get the picture.

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qhopkins — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:03:02 GMT

Nice article Not stupid, I read it differently than you do though. Try as hard as you can, there is no way to take someone unqualified and "make" them. See: George Bush and long list of failed cronies.

I have been around a little bit and in my field there are sometimes people that are very good at their jobs. Then, sometimes in a great while, there are people that transcend. I mean sometimes a young guy somes in and is smart, charismatic and soaks up everything that he or she is taught. They quickly and easily overtake and eventually surpass their older peers and if they're exceptional most people don't mind. The people around can see their passion , energy and know their gratitude first hand. It happens and I think with Obama it has happened right in front of our eyes.

I mean c'mon. CCompare Obama to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton all you want but they would NEVER have carried Iowa, Idaho, North Dakota or Vermnot, not in 1 billion years.

Senator Clinton, would be an excellent President of these United States, I sincerely believe that. She has done her work regarding healthcare and children's issues. Problem is that she comes in with an automatic hate group across a large swath of Republicans and even some liberal leaning Independents.

What I also believe is that Barack Obama comes with a cleaner slate and with a stronger message.

His overarching theme is not only generic change but change from the "bottom-up". He is getting money in his campaign from the people who will be voting in the general election. There is no clearer message that shows that he can win. I don't know too many folks that will put out $100 when they barely have a pot to p--- in for any other candidate.

This is not racial, the guy is just good and his ex-preacher or all the black people in America being proud of him is not a good enough reason for white voters to automatically turn against him.

Ask him questions, go through a vetting process but don't just minimilize him based on what TV analysts are saying. That's just not American.

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NewsWkDickG — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:03:58 GMT

If you have established that they are crossover votes that truly lack any sincerity, how can you then believe their answers in exit polls? I think all that you have really established is that there is a Republican effort to mess with the Democratic Party's selection process and the thinking behind it isn't all that clear.

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hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:06:17 GMT

Alabama, whos work are you claiming Obama took credit for? And thanks for your comment. Sorry if I come off alittle shrewd. But you seem like a nice guy, with a different opinion.

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cgmc58 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:07:42 GMT

As a MIssissippi Republican, I voted for Clinton. I cast my vote for her since McCain is already the Republican nominee. My vote for Clinton is a vote against Obama. I don't like either of them, but I would rather have Clinton than Obama.

The Mississippi that the media portrays is not the Mississippi that I see living here. Sure it isn't perfect, but is anywhere?

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clear head — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:08:48 GMT

Obviously if you poll people who have just lied about supporting a Democrat for the purpose of manipulating the Democratic primary, you can't ascribe too much value to their follow up lies. This is precisely why many states don't allow cross over voting. Its idiotic to allow the opponents to vote in your primary. They can then have a hand in who you nominate.

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hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:10:06 GMT

Oh, Alabama, nobodys' got the blueprint for a no mistake life or campaign. I think it's important to weigh the mistake or qualify it. Some are more unacceptable than others. Out of all, I hope that point is especially well taken.

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hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:13:44 GMT

cgmc58. Please man! Trust that I know Mississippi, OK. It's the farthest from perfect, which is my point. You just don't want to look. Typical Mississippi comment.

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Time for Change — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:15:00 GMT

Voters crossing over just to strategically vote for their preferred opponent in November has to stop. A law should be passed that if you change parties for the primaries, you can only vote for that party in November.

This country has no business nation building! If our own people here are prejudice, why send these people as soldiers to other countries?

Concerning Obama's preacher, let's just round up everyone ever involved with the candidates( Kindergarten teachers, mailman, s school bus driver). Besides, the preacher in question has already retired! This would be old news. Fox news played the same tape of him last year. I suspect there's something tactical about showing it now.

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debra1953 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:20:35 GMT

oh and i guess if they had all voted for obama then everthing would be legit huh well he won the state anyway no matter who they voted for it realy want matter anyway come november all of florida and mich and most of the dems from all over will vote macain if those states dont get reinstated so there votes will count now

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stacon — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:20:51 GMT

We are talking of Trent Lot's home state. A state, if his rhetoric is any barometer, is still caught in a time warp where racial issues are concerned. It comes as no surprise to me that your findings would suggest a visceral reaction toward a black man seeking the highest office in the land.

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notforobama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:25:33 GMT

Those right wingers hate anyone who is on top of the ticket. If Obama gets it, they will hate him and his wife. Anyone who is powerful from the democrat side they will hate that was the case of Clintons. Bill and Hilalry did a lot for the country and for the democratic party. They hate them for that only reason. They love Bush,even he is the worst president walked in to the White House. Shame on them and if they had soul and they say God talks to them and every life is precious to them then I guess they need to ask themselves about the Iraqis and who is to blame for the genocide there. This is why democratic party need to be united who ever is the nominee. Clinton or Obama. Left wing of democratic party need to support Clinton if she gets the nomination too.

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old scout — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:26:02 GMT

Right on qhopkins. You have described Obama concisely and clearly. This is a magna *** laude graduate of Harvard Law School who was president of the Law Review. He clearly has brains and is an eloquent orator. But for me the real test was that he turned down many lucrative offers to practice law in the silk stocking firms in New York and on the East Coast so he could practice public interest law in Chicago. He could have chosen big money but he chose the people instead. That's real life, not stump material.

All those who are worried about his experience should carefully compare his biography to that of

Abraham Lincoln as of the time of Lincoln's election. The parallels are eery. The outstanding difference is that Obama is much better educated and travelled than Lincoln was. Lincoln led this country through the Civil War and to the emancipation of the slaves. Looking back on it would anyone complain that Lincoln was not qualified when he was elected.

I don't know if Obama can deliver on his vision, and I have to trust that he is sincere based on his past. But he is the only one who has that vision. If we don't try to help him to achieve it, it will be to our lasting discredit. It may take a leap of faith, but we are a brave country, and we do our best when we reach for the improbable dream. Considering what we have faced in the last eight years, I think we must choose real change when it is offered.

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Braes — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:26:55 GMT

One of our weaknesses in the deep south are open primaries where you can crossover. If the R's were willing to abide with their choice and reamin with us through the general election, I'd be more accepting of this flaw.

I know racism still exists in the United States. It is hardly a southern phenomenon. My goodness sakes, go up to Mark Furman Idaho and look about for a black representing anyone, let alone living there.

What is really new to me is that now, racism seems to cut evenly amongst minorities and candidates play to them. I seem to find support for Barack to be evenly split amongst whites, and I will vote for whomever emerges from this mudfest as my party's nominee. Anything in blue is better than endless war, $4-5 gasoline, and copropate/fascist government.

Now, if you'd like to know the only offensive thing to come from the Obama campaign was his wife's mistatement that she was finally proud of America. I heard it, in context, and several times. I also have a decent appreciation for the rationale, and let it slide. We may have passed the 13th 14th and 15th amendments to our constitution during reconstruction, but until Dr. King and the movement, Jim Crow ran the south, and the North wasn't a lot better. It was a moral outrage that full participation and freedom were denied any group in our society.

As far as the Clinton's, and I voted for Hillary, I was enraged when Bill opened his mouth and marginalized Barack's win in SC. It showed so little class and so litle dignity for an Ex President to wallow about in that way.

Now I am a southern blue-dog D. I am not a racist. I also see deficiencies in our nominating process that should be adressed in the convention. What we need to win are not just delegates of whatever stripe within our party, but 270 votes in the Electoral college. We are after all, Democrats stuck with a (little r) republic. Reality is that either D should do well winning those votes this year.

Neither campaign has been entirely focused on the issues, and I'd suggest that is where they should be. One of our flaws in the politically correct world of our politics is the fast label of bigot or mysognyst, etc. Stop going there. These cards of division play poorly.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hillaryforpresident!!! — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:27:42 GMT

Ummm Old Scout, get your facts straight, while maybe your wife supports Hillary, she is not winning by large margins among women. Maybe by a few percent, not by 90% however. If women voted for other women purely based on sex this would be no contest, however, Hillary is not / has not campaigned on womaness, she has campaigned based on her stance on the issues and on her ability to fight for change once she becomes President, just like she has fought for this nomination.

Those of us that value hard work and determination above all know that she can easily beat McCain and we also know she will role up her sleeves and actually get something done while she is President. This is what we need more than anything right now and this is why she is the better choice.

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trnovak — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:35:13 GMT

Lost in the conspiracy theories is a more fundamental explanation: Barack Obama is the far more liberal of the two candidates. As much as Republicans don't like Clinton, losing to her in the general election would be less painful ideologically. Though this is probably not the reason Republicans crossed over to vote for her, perhaps it should be.

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hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:37:54 GMT

hillaryforpresident - Your giving Hillary too much credit. Those who don't like Hillary don't like her because of her choices and her way of being. Don't you try to insult our intelligence: because SHE created her own image. You want this to be about sexism because your candidate is more self flawed than ours and you can't feel good with what she's left you to feel good with. And you just can't seem to give her, her own credit unless it's about something good. Well the fact is that Hillary has damaged herself. Bill has damaged himself. Bill has damaged her campaign. But you'd rather blame Obama and us, huh? How little of you to deliberately omit that from your sea of memories. As for me, my moma's a female and she tops my world. The person I have the greatest respect for is female. So how do you defuse that? Let Hillary be responsible for her own shortcomings instead of using some sexist side-show excuse. There is sexism in the world and it is horrible just as racism is. But you can put that one back in your closet in this case. I don't feel that way about people. After you gig her for all her self-inflicted problems, then talk to me. She brought this on her self. With just one vote she has sealed the opinion of alot of us. And we've so far seen the Jeckle - Hyde show in this campaign

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Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:38:21 GMT

qhopkins, your comparison of being the wife of a dentist is not the same thing as being the wife of the POTUS or the wife of a governor. The following facts are taken from http://www.millionbabyboomers.com/baby_boomers_blog/2008/03/hillary-clinton.html

The first lady plays an important role in international affairs. Clinton made the position even more important, being the first First Lady to have had her own carreer. She moved the First Lady's office from the East Wing to the West Wing, and in 1997, while she was First Lady, she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.

Even before she became first lady, Clinton was involved with legislation and executive issues. During her post-graduate study, sheserved as staff attorney for the newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children. During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.

Children have always been important to her, and after she married Bill and moved to Arkansas, she continued to do pro bono work in child advocacy, and published the scholarly articles "Children's Policies: Abandonment and Neglect" in 1977 and "Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective" in 1979.

She co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986–1992).

In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation and she served in that capacity from 1978 until the end of 1981. For those who are too young to know what that was, Legal Services were often the only way poor people could get legal services for things like getting a divorce or representation when landlords tried to throw them out. She served on the board of directors for Legal Services from 1988–1992.

As First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years (1979–1981, 1983–1992), she served as the chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992 where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy

Clinton has also worked relentlessly for women's rights. She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984. From 1987 to 1991 she chaired the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which addressed gender bias in the law profession and induced the association to adopt measures to combat it She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

From the time she came to Washington, she also found refuge in a prayer group of The Fellowship that featured many wives of conservative Washington figures. Triggered in part by the death of her father in April 1993, she publicly sought to find a synthesis of Methodist teachings, liberal religious political philosophy, and Tikkun editor Michael Lerner's "politics of meaning" to overcome what she saw as America's "sleeping sickness of the soul" and that would lead to a willingness "to remold society by redefining what it means to be a human being in the twentieth century, moving into a new millennium."

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady. n Child Care (1997), Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),[145] and Children and Adolescents (2000), and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000) and Philanthropy (1999).

As First Lady, Hillary Clinton traveled to 79 countries. In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in the People's Republic of China itself, declaring "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights" and resisting Chinese pressure to soften her remarks. She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan. She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.

Clinton initiated and was Founding Chair of the Save America's Treasures program, a national effort that matched federal funds to private donations for the purpose of preserving and restoring historic items and sites, including the flag that inspired the Star Spangled Banner and the First Ladies Historic Site in Canton, Ohio. She was head of the White House Millennium Council, and initiated the Millennium Project with monthly lectures that discuss futures studies, one of which became the first live simultaneous webcast from the White House. Clinton also created the first Sculpture Garden there, which displayed large contemporary American works of art loaned from museums in the Jacqueline Kennedy Garden.

In the White House, Clinton placed donated handicrafts of contemporary American artisans, such as pottery and glassware, on rotating display in the state rooms She oversaw the restoration of the Blue Room to be historically authentic to the period of James Monroe, the redecoration of the Treaty Room into the presidential study along nineteenth century lines, and the redecoration of the Map Room to how it looked during World War II. Clinton hosted many large-scale events at the White House, such as a St. Patrick's Day reception, a state dinner for visiting Chinese dignitaries, a contemporary music concert that raised funds for music education in public schools, a New Year's Eve celebration at the turn of the twenty-first century, and a state dinner honoring the bicentennial of the White House in November of 2000.

Unlike Obama, who has nurtured his "superstar" status and began campaigning for president almost as soon as he arrived in D.C., upon entering the United States Senate, Clinton maintained a low public profile, built relationships with senators from both parties and forged alliances. She has served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),[207] Committee on Armed Services (since 2003), Committee on Environment and Public Works (since 2001), Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (since 2001) and Special Committee on Aging.[209] She is also a Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe(since 2001).

Looking to establish a "progressive infrastructure" to rival that of American conservatism, Clinton played a formative role in conversations that led to the 2003 founding of former Clinton administration chief of staff John Podesta's Center for American Progress; shared aides with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, founded in 2003; advised and nurtured the Clintons' former antagonist David Brock's Media Matters for America, created in 2004; ] and following the 2004 Senate elections, successfully pushed new Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid to create a Senate war room to handle daily political messaging.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

davidferdi — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:40:01 GMT

It so easy for the media to say that blacks voted for Obama because he is black; but it seems hard to say that those good ol'boy and gal from mississippi voted for Clinton because Obama is black.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

GiveMeTheTruth — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:49:24 GMT

Forget the polls (Survey USA Obama 280 Delegates - McCain 258); forget the popular vote (9 big States = Obama 8,643,000 - Clinton 8,487,000) forget the Peldged (real) Delegate count (Obama 1404 - Clinton 1243 = 161 difference). As a rational thinking, neutral democrat Obama must be the choice of the party because Hillary cannot win in November for the following 8 reasons:

1. Voted for the war in Iraq...thus cannot make war a factor and attack McCain at one of his biggest weak points ("bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb Iran" or "other wars" or 100 years);

2. She cannot claim success of Bill and not be part of one huge blunder: the failure to approve a hit on Osama Bin Ladden when CIA had him pinned, (sorry Bill I think you were great but this will hurt);

3. Her husband passed NAFTA and she was in favor of it. Don't believe me check out her book where she called it a success...now just because people in Ohio fell for this once you think they and Pennsylvania will fall for it a 2nd time??? don't think so...

4. Cash for pardons...petty but will hurt especially if some of that cash was used for her campaign;

5. Failure to release her tax returns and constant issues with their finances;

6. Only First Lady to ever be subpeonad in front of a grand jury...what?? remember WHITEWATER?? people dying, depositions, trials...what an ugly mess and Americans are tired of it;

7. Lafarge...She was on the Board of Directors and was fined in 1992 for $1.8 million by Environmental Protection Agency for pollution violations...a couple of years later Bill becomes president and BAM the fine is reduced to $600,000;

8. She is currently being sued for fraud and charges of election law violations...you could check it out yourself...Google "HILLARY FRAUD TRIAL".

Now why haven't we heard all this...well because (1) the media wants a long drawn out democratic primary for money and ratings; (2) the media does not want Obama who DOES NOT TAKE SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY and the big corporations who own the media are afraid the deregulations put in place by Clinton will be reversed; and (3) because Obama is too nice and wants to run this idealistic campaign (P.S: Somebody wake him up and tell him this American politics where everything is fair play..toughen up already)and has not brought out the dirt, now do you really think Grandpa McCain and the party of Karl Rove will be as nice?????????????

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Core Democrat in Texas — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:52:18 GMT

The answer, Andrew, is in your article. You just weren't open to it. "91 percent said Clinton is more qualified to be commander in chief, while only 3 percent said Obama is more qualified".

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:55:46 GMT

Hank, I do blame Obama for the racism stuff, because his radio ads here in Birmingham were clearly designed to appeal to black voters on the basis of race. If you haven't heard them, I'm sure there is some audio available on Utube or some other source.

And I guess you missed my earlier post about Obama claiming experience he doesn't have. So I'll post it again, it's pretty far down there now.

www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/2

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

gawksquawk — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:03:17 GMT

I believe the difference shown between Republican voters in the Democratic primaries in Mississippi and Alabama can be best explained by Mike Huckabee. During the Alabama primary, the Republican nomination was still in doubt, and Mike Huckabee won the primary there. I believe that Republicans who crossed over to vote in the Democratic primary in Alabama were more likely to do so because of an affinity to either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. With the Republican nomination decided by the Mississippi primary, Republicans were freed to cross over to the Democratic primary to express displeasure with the candidates, rather than voting for candidates they liked.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

GRH230377 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:07:20 GMT

As a republican: I voted in the democratic primary here in Wisconsin and voted for Hillary. My reasoning is that Obama is far more liberal (has the most liberal voting record of any US Senator), Hillary was once a Republican (in her younger days), I don't trust liberals that say they plan to work bipartisianly (meaning as long as you are willing to bend over and kiss their ass).

Obama's statement about not being fooled by Bush on Iraq and WMDs. Well Suddam said he had WMDs, that he was going to use them if attacted (sometimes you just have to take people at their word when they say they have WMDs). As far as Al-Qaeda and Suddam, I remember Osama bin Laden had sent a nephew to be a liason with Suddam in Iraq after Sept. 11th, seems to me that might be a link?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:07:28 GMT

GiveMeTheTruth, I've about had it with posters who claim to be Obama supporters who do nothing but parrot right wing republican radio mouths. Are you sure you aren't a Republican avatar who popped in here to forment division in the democratic party? What you posted doesn't sound like Obama's positive message. And besides, we've heard it all before.

We don't want or need your lies or your divisiveness. If any of what you posted was true, Hillary would be in jail, not running for POTUS.

For those who ARE interested in the truth, scroll down and read Hillary's accomplishments. Or go to the website link posted along with my summary, which gives you the facts, both the good and the bad.

Hillary is clearly the most qualified candidate for the job, and the republicans haven't been able to make any of these claims stick, even though they have tried for years. They are doing everything they can to divide the democratic party.

I worry what they will do with Obama though, who is clearly a good if still naive and inexperienced person. Remember what they did to Kerry, and he was a white war hero. The republicans are spending millions on a swift-boat style movie they plan to release if they are successful and get him nominated as the democratic candidate.

You think racism is a problem in the US still, just wait until they get their fear mongering religiously intolerant hate campaign geared up for the general election.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

opin2593 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:09:15 GMT

I believe that the republicans voted for Clinton, because they don't like Obama, and since McCain has already gotten the nomination, this is their way to try to knock him out. In November they will most likely vote for McCain.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

USA Gone Crazy — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:12:02 GMT

Ever think that the Mississippi Republicans actually prefer Clinton because she would make an excellent president? Or do you just want to continue on the anti-Hillary bandwagon without even trying to think?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

newshawk08 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:18:50 GMT

I cannot think of anything more unAmerican than trying to defeat the national voting system by voting for someone you don't want to win, just to play a dirty trick on the other party. Dishonesty and lying at their best. Republicans should be ashamed, but probably aren't.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

auntidi — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:20:41 GMT

Politics as usual in the house? Does it surprise you?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

janmarie — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:24:10 GMT

When I first read this article it didn't say not all racists are in MS, so now I've cooled down some. I'm a proud Mississippian (not living there at the moment) and I'm so tired of outsiders automatically thinking all Southerners are racist,ignorant, uneducated people. Isn't that just another form of biggotry? I haven't decided yet who I'll vote for, I'm doing researching on many things. But it does appear that if you don't like Obama you are automatically labeled a racist--there can't be any other reason for not liking him. I lived up north for almost 3 years recently and that was a total awakening. Oh my, did you know there are racists there? Did you know some of them live in trailers? Did you know some of them are..well..considerate "redneck". People are people no matter where they live. And you can NOT like a candidate for another reason besides of their race. That's reality.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

opin2593 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:33:51 GMT

I would not call crossing the lines unamerican. I did it to vote for my second choice.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

ecg3817 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:37:55 GMT

20 Years of the Bushes and Clintons is Enough!!!!!

I believe that you reap what you sow. The condition that the United States is in today also reflects this. The shape that this country is in today is a result of the seeds that the Bushes and Clintons have planted for the last 20 years.

When Bush leaves office...the United States would have been under the rule of the Bushes and Clintons for 20 years....They trashed this country...they are bullies and liars. Some of our citizens have lost big time (property and lives) based on the decisions made by the Bushes and Clintons. These people have taken us from SCANDAL to WARS to SHAME.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most corrupt politicians in American history. Takes time for Republicans and Democrats to WAKE UP....

1. Why is Hillary's role in the Civil Fraud Case in Los Angeles not being discussed?

2. When are you going to start talking about Bill Clinton's Civil Fraud Trial? Hillary is deeply involved in yet another scandal.

3. Where is Hillary’s first lady resume? The records will tell what she was doing while in the White House.

4. Where are the Clintons income tax returns? We need to see the sources of their income. I believe that she has sold us out...

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:42:05 GMT

edg3817, is this Obama's message of unity, or are you another Republican avatar? Or will you openly admit to being a republican posting negative stuff just because you want the dems to split in Nov?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

glborchert — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:44:37 GMT

I think you misread Rush Limbaugh’s position. That position has very much been a stop Obama position. Did you know that Bill Clinton was a phone in guest on Rush’s show the day before the Texas/Ohio primary? The mistake in your thinking is the presumption that far right wing Republicans like Hillary less than they like Obama. They hate all liberals, and Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham have both been telling them that Hillary has a better foreign policy record. The Rush attack began about three weeks ago in earnest, thus the switch from early January and February to now.

So, it is BOTH a stop Obama campaign and Rush/Laura inspired. I do believe that until Rush and Laura started talking Hillary up that the far right hated her more than they hate Obama. I don’t think that’s the case anymore.

I saw that here in Texas in spades last. I was an Obama precinct captain in Tarrant County, Texas. So you know, Tarrant County brags about being the reddest county in America. Whether it is or not I don’t know, but I have been told that by people who wear those words like a badge of honor. Many, many far right wing Republicans came out to vote for Hillary and against Obama here last week, and did so specifically because Rush and Laura told them to. I figure that around 10% of the vote Hillary got here was far right wing Republicans crossing over to vote for Hillary, and many of them told me that they were doing it at Rush’s command.

But – when it comes to the general election, none of the far right wing Republicans are going to vote for either Barack or Hillary. The Republicans that Barack would be attractive to are either moderate Republicans or independents who think we need a change of direction and who might like that Barack is more of a Washington outsider.

Still, the strength of an Obama candidacy is not crossover vote, but instead a highly motivated electorate with high voter turnout.

There's a lot of time between now and November. Experience says that this thing will be decided in September and October. The truth is that the swing vote will make a decision in the last month, and maybe even the last week. I believe that Obama's judgment and character will win many moderates and most independents over, and that with an energized Democratic base and many new voters he would beat McCain. The far right folks that voted for Hillary in Mississippi would not be voting for her in a general election, so that's a moot point. And, she would have less attraction to moderates.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

MariaW — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:45:17 GMT

People who follow Rush Limbaugh's advice to cross over and vote for Hillary because the they are scared that McCain will lose against Obama, are shameless and manipulating, and abusing the voting system.

Isn't it obvious from all this that Obama is the most electable of the democratic candidates against McCain? The republicans are not even hiding the fact that they are much more scared about running against Obama than Clinton. This should be a huge argument for democrats still unsure of who they should vote for.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

jhnwlk — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:53:07 GMT

Looks like you were too clever by half. Whatever the Republicans personal feelings about Clinton and Obama are, the fact is that they'd rather get to have their real candidate, the one they'll vote for regardless of whom the Democrats nominate, John McBush. So the Limbaugh strategy is at work even if people deny that's what they're doing.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:58:43 GMT

MariaW, I disagree completely. The Republicans are not more scared of "running against" Obama than Clinton, if anything, they are more scared of him actually being elected. His rating is far more liberal, and he is more of an unknown quantity.

On the other hand, Obama's background makes him more of a target than Hillary (aren't we all tired of the same old complaints about Whitewater, etc.? - They haven't worked!), and if they can divide the party so that if Hillary gets the nomination the blacks won't come out to vote, doesn't that serve their goal of getting McCain elected?

Obama has charisma, but if you do the research, he won't win in the states he has won. There are too many republicans who will come out to vote against him.

I'd be in favor of a combined ticket, that way the Republican's can't divide the dems. My personal preference is for Hillary to be the nominee because I do think she has far more experience in how to get things done -- not just in D.C., but where ever she is, including Arkansas and New York, and Texas (when she was registering voters there) and Illinois (when she was working for the Carter campaign). IF he was willing to be her VP, Obama could learn a great deal from her about how to get things done, about running an executive office, about not giving up when you are behind.

THAT IS WHAT REALLY SCARES REPUBLICANS.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

hankfm6 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:02:14 GMT

Willie Parker of the Pittsburgh Steelers ran 99 yards and Jerome Bettis got credit for the 1 yard TD all the time. It happened and I for sure, didn't like that. Nor do I like the news that was what Obama did. But lets put our gripes in order of priority and judgement at the crucial moments in our history. That in no way approaches the vote in the run-up to the war that Hillary VOTED FOR. If Barack had voted for it I would not be voting for him!!! When everybody knew that regardless what was going on in the world, we had enough information about George Bush alone to take the bat out of his hands or better yet, don't even let him in the stadium. He has a track record so awful (especially on human rights. See his govenorship in Texas - I mean this dude is a cold blooded killer) that someone of her stature should have known better. And we all knew there was plenty of doubt in the intelligence if not anything else. Plenty of RED FLAGS. We are talking about lives here - American and Iraqi. That is by far more reckless and inhuman of an act than taking credit for some bill that you didn't work for. And if that is your litmus test for Obama, we all fail because at one point in time we have all done it somewhere to or for somebody else, just as he did. So it's effectivly a non-issue in the face of the war. She voted to go to war to kill enemies and in effect innocent people. We all knew innocent folks would die, alot of them. Like I said, we will find no perfect candidate but let's prioritize the imperfections. Unless folks just like going tit-for-tat on anything just to get in a negative against a candidate, I think it is vital that we make some sense of what we are griping about. I'll take him with his mistakes just as I did Bill. But Bill blew it big time and Hillary bigger time. That leaves me with Obama. And the things that are being said about him, just doesn't stack up to What I know Hillary did. And I don't trust her JUDGEMENT compared to his. The facts are the facts. And I didn't see Obama's ads but I believe that Black America has to work 200 times harder to reverse the opression and division that ONLY we have experienced in this country the way we do. No other ethic group has quite the same problem. So all you people out there must be slavery scholars and have the perfect answer as to how we go about fixing what most people see as already fixed. Do you have some advise. Know anybody who can reverse 400 + years of sub-human opression? Know anybody who can help us, the desendants, get back the wealth stolen from our ancestors which they should have gotten and passed on to us like the whites did for theirs, because Blacks worked themselves to death for it. Know anybody who can give us advise on how we can finally see a Black man as president in our lifetime? This ain't no pitty party, but folks - you complain about everything we do to get ahead. Not being funny but you non-black folk sure do do have an opinion about everything else. We have to find a way with very little assistance and alot of the same old road blocks. So what I'm intrested in and what you are intrested in may be the same in certain ways but there is nothing even close to fair when you have to live and your government secrectly wants you to die so the truth and solutions to these problems are no long a burden for them. So instead of supporting us now you want to complain because our candidate understands the circumstances we face in the realm of fairness. It don't exsist for us - never did. Our fight in certain ways is a fight you cannot (if you are anything other than American Indian) concieve of. And even they got alittle land back and a little respect. You know why? Because they tried to kill every white man they could find until they got some respect. Oh, but you want to cry because a few ads weren't speaking directly to you. I see the same old mentality. Deny, Deny, Deny. We are helping ourselves. Do you mind??? It's better than complaining I'll tell you that!!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:18:09 GMT

glborchert, It is BOTH a stop Obama campaign AND a stop Hillary campaign. The republican's goal is to force both candidates to spend all their money in the primaries AND to divide the dems so that they won't vote for the other candidate, and will vote for McCain instead, or not vote, in which case McCain wins by default.

If they can keep the "race" rhetoric and "Billary" trash floating, they hope McCain has a chance.

Democrats unite. Whichever democratic candidate is nominated will do a better job than another republican.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Bullwinkle — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:21:46 GMT

Not Studpid In Alabama,

Cudos for Hillary for her litany of accomplishments, but we can all cut and paste. As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[36] He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[37] Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.[37] During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, he won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, whose president credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.[38] He was criticized by rival pro-choice candidates in the Democratic primary and by his Republican pro-life opponent in the general election for a series of "present" or "no" votes on late-term abortion and parental notification issues.[39] Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).[57] He later added three amendments to the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", which passed the Senate in May 2006, but failed to gain majority support in the U.S. House of Representatives.[58] In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act, authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.[59] President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in October 2006, calling it "an important step toward immigration reform." Partnering first with Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN), and then with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar-Obama" expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[62] The "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act" provides for the web site USAspending.gov, managed by the Office of Management and Budget. The site lists all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward and provides breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.[63] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[64]

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.[65] Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that "the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel."[66] He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.[67] The speech touched off a public debate among rival leaders, some formally challenging Obama's remarks as unfair and improper, others defending his positions.[68]

And there's much more, but you get the idea. However, notwithstanding all that they've BOTH accomplished, and all that EVERYONE has had to say about them both here, let us focus on the COLD, HARD facts. Hillary is a DIVIDER -- not a uniter. Find someone who will tell you otherwise! Why do you think Republicans salivate at the mention of her name? She would simultaneously divide DEMOCRATS and draw REPUBLICANS to the polls -- a recipe for disaster! If you're still not convinced, let's just look at the numbers. He's ahead and delegates even WITH her advantage in superdelegates. He's won more states and, as poll interviewees have practically unanimously agreed, HE is associated with change and she represents status quo. Small states, large states, blue states, red states, crooked states, straight states, whatever ... if the size was THAT much of an issue, he would NOT be leading in delegates. No question Hillary has an impressive resume -- she's also lived longer. I don't think Obama is done yet. I'd like to see what else he accomplishes over the next 14 years (which will make him 60 as well). We can pontificate ad nauseum, but at the end of the day, the numbers are STILL what they are.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:24:27 GMT

Hankfm6, most people are so tired of the focus on how Hillary voted years ago, that they aren't even listening any more. All we ever hear from Obama supporters is "Hillary voted wrong" and "hope" -- nothing about his credentials and skill sets for the job. I'm sure he has some, something more than his claim to a legislative history in Illinois, but I haven't seen it yet. As far as I know he's never run anything in his life, he's always been reporting to someone else or under someone else's wing. Please help us formulate a strategy that WILL defeat McCain's claim to more experience IF Obama becomes the nominee, instead of focusing on what Hillary did or didn't do.

And by the way, Obama did NOT vote for the bill imposing a deadline to withdraw the troops. Don't you think that will be thrown in his face if he tries the same strategy with McCain?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Bullwinkle — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:30:32 GMT

Give Me The Truth,

This will be my briefest post, but I just wanted to applaud you for your post. If you don't mind, I have copied that and pasted it on a word document so that I can post it elsewhere, from time to time, as needed. I'm glad that you also mentioned that you were neutral in the race thus far so that no one could construe your post as the ramblings of an Obama supporter, but rather a rationale bystander. I highlighted your name when I copied it as well so that I give you credit wherever I post it. Good job!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

ecg3817 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:32:25 GMT

20 Years of the Bushes and Clintons is Enough!!!!!

Hillary Clinton is one of the most corrupt politicians in American history. Takes time for Republicans and Democrats to WAKE UP....

1. Why is Hillary's role in the Civil Fraud Case in Los Angeles not being discussed?

2. When are you going to start talking about Bill Clinton's Civil Fraud Trial? Hillary is deeply involved in yet another scandal.

3. Where is Hillary’s first lady resume? The records will tell what she was doing while in the White House.

4. Where are the Clintons income tax returns? We need to see the sources of their income. I believe that she has sold us out...

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:36:44 GMT

Bullwinkle, Obama didn't originate or work on that legislation until after the dems gained control of the Illinois legislature and Emil Jones decided to give him credit for the legislation to enhance Obama's portfolio for the Senate. I find it offensive that he even claims credit for all that work.

All the endorsements in Illinois don't mean beans when you have a powerful politician (Emil Jones, Jr.) promoting you.

Show me where Obama worked as an executive in any capacity in his entire life. Show me where he crafted legislation on his own and secured its passage. That's what Hillary has done. And a whole lot more. There is no question that she has far more experience than he has and far more public service at all levels, from on the ground, organizing and registering minority voters, to working with international delegations to address human rights.

I don't want to get negative, but Obama isn't as transparent as he'd like his supporters to believe either. Emil Jones, Jr. clearly benefited from Obama's election. Check out how much in "earmarks" his district received.

The problem I have with Obama is that the experience he claims doesn't stand up to scrutiny. And if you think I'm being negative, just wait until the republicans get a hold of him. They haven't been able to get anything to stick to Hillary, even though they have been trying for years. They're all politicians, and negative stuff can be put out about anyone, whether true or not, so I'm not looking at that. I'm looking at the candidates credentials, what they have done, the positions they have held, how much experience they have in working within a bureaucracy (and Obama will NOT be able to get rid of bureaucracy in D.C., it's part of the system of checks and balances).

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Bullwinkle — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:59:09 GMT

janmarie,

I'm sorry you have gotten the impression that there are those who believe that someone white who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist. I'm a black male who CERTAINLY does not believe that. I, like most level-headed people I know (of any race), take people at their word if they can articulate why they like someone but not someone else. More importantly, even if you say you just don't like someone -- that too is your perogative. However, there are those who will express a dislike of a candidate, go off on a tirade about something and somehow end up talking about race. I must admit, there ARE times that people say things that give me pause when I listen to them. But truthfully, when it comes to this election, I respect anybody's right to vote however they see fit. Why? Because it's just ONE person and it's just ONE vote. That said, however, I do feel compelled to respond when I see people trying to "influence" others with lopsided views. Why are they lopsided (and how can I state that so definitively?). Because like a wise facilitator once said, "Even a bad example serves a purpose." I posted more post in response to this article than I have to every other article combined, but you'll notice one thing I'm consistent about -- I don't generate any posts to "attack" Hillary, though I'm an Obama supporter. I see some good in her and I voted for her husband in BOTH elections. However, I want us to win the presidency this time and I just don't see her able to pull that off. Not only the polls and the current standing of the Demorcatic race tell me that, but the overwhelming sentiment concerning her polarizing effect tells me that as well. Coupled with some of the "win-at-any-cost" tactics she's displayed, I see her COSTING us the election, not winning it for us. Think I'm being biased? Let me point to ONE, just ONE example of how divisive and destructive she is to her OWN party. She could simply have said, "I would make a better Commander-in-Chief than Barack Obama," or "He's not ready yet." Instead, what does she say, "Both I and John McCain are ready to be Commander-in-Chief on day one. Barack Obama has speeches." TALK ABOUT THROWING YOUR PARTY UNDER THE BUS! What was she thinking? She should have just left McCain out of it and STILL could have made her point. No matter what she brings to the table, I can see very clearly what she can potentially take away from it. So, to reiterate, no (rationale) person brands someone a "racist" because they don't vote for a black candidate. I did vote for Bill Clinton (twice) when he ran, but I won't vote for is wife. Yet, as a black male, I didn't vote for Al Sharpton NOR Jesse Jackson when they ran, what would they have called ME? I don't vote on the basis of race either. Barack Obama's race doesn't matter to me. His demeanor, message, and the upstanding way he conducts his campaign DOES.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Bullwinkle — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:17:48 GMT

Not Stupid In Alabama,

You keep talking about this Emil Jones in Chicago. Let's just assume for a moment he's NOT a politician and he's telling the truth. As a young law school grad he was organizing and doing the things that peple took notice of in the CITY of Chicago and STATE of Illinois that got him elected tot he offices that he's now held. Say what you will, the MAJORITY will NOT be fooled because most people can't keep a secret well enough. He was obviously doing the right things. As such, he stepped through the requisite paces and EARNED the right to represent the district and state he has represented. Can we say the same about Hillary? Had she ever lived in New York before bill moved there after leaving office? That discussion aside, however, let's not dismiss Obama's accomplishments in the U.S. Senate as well (read my post below -- I still left much out). As far as "executive" positions, there is none larger than running a U.S. presidential campaign. Listen to any pundit or read any of the extensive reviews that discuss that point, if you don't believe me. Then, listen to who they say has been most successful in doing so. Executive -- execute -- to carry out. Hillary has gone through more money, moved more people around, and STILL all you read about is the "infighting" that goes on within her campaign EVEN WHEN SHE WINS! A uniter she's not. She will have to do a much better job as an "executive" as president than she has been doing running her presidential campaign. Many of the pundits have commented that you can often get a "glimpse" at how a presidency might run by how a campaign is run. I think I like Obama's executive experience better. Still, if you need more, I'll do some more research and get back to you later. Thanks anywary.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

macasheville — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:32:03 GMT

Um, is it conceivable that those Republicans who cast votes for Hillary in order to guarantee a McCain win ALSO lied in the exit polls?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

paul962 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:54:20 GMT

While the data in this article may be accurate it would mast likely be accurate to say that many Obama supporters are voting for him as an ABC vote.

Voters often vote for whom they do simply because they detest the opponent more.

I believe that this is the thrust of your article and why Hillary's message has been what it has been recently.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

schmeckle — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:14:32 GMT

Not stupid in Alabama,

I respect your opinion of which candidate you think is better because you are an educated male- black, white or otherwise ,even though I dont agree with you. Because you are voting based on who you consider to be the better candidate. But there are many less educated Black voters that are voting based on racial pride alone. I encourage ethnic pride. It is important for all of us to have pride in our backgrounds. But in something such as the presidency, racial pride cannot take precidence over an objective determination of the candidates qulifications. And I believe that this is the mistake that many poor, low educated blacks are doing. I firmly believe that Hillary is the more experienced, and therefore, more qualified candidate. I think that these less educated individuals don't even have a grasp of the real issues. And this can easily apply to many white voters as well.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:04:04 GMT

Bullwinkle, read the article.

www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/2

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:08:36 GMT

ecg3817, you obviously haven't read all the posts if you are asking for Hillary Clinton's resume as First Lady. For your benefit I will repost my summary.

facts are taken from http://www.millionbabyboomers.com/baby_boomers_blog/2008/03/hillary-clinton.html

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Not stupid in Alabama — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:24:28 GMT

schmeckle, don't attribute a decision to support Obama to lack of education or understanding of the electoral process. Many Obama supporters are highly educated, as he is. For a large number of young Americans and African Americans, it is the opportunity represented by his nomination, the potential that this country represents to the world, and I understand that. It should not be reduced to a stereotype of black Americans as poor and uneducated.

As someone who is older than the genX who want to believe they can change the world, I have come to appreciate the benefits of proven skills and abilities, the value of experience. But it isn't hard to understand why the younger generation has chosen to support Obama. They would like to believe in the possibility of a better world. So would I.

The most important thing we should do is remember that both Obama and Hillary have good qualities and vast potential to offer voters. Democrats should isolate and ignore the Republicans here who are trying to divide us so they can conquer us.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

jeddai — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:39:27 GMT

I know some blue-collar Caucasian Republicans, who would never vote for an African-American. I am actually neither Caucasian nor African-American. Anyway, these Republicans will vote for Hillary so that McCain will have an opponent he can more easily beat. I don't think Rush Limbaugh came up with the idea but he has propagated it.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

jeddai — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:51:46 GMT

I suppose I should add that as an individual who is neither Caucasian or African-American, I get to hear all sides of the story. As an immigrant, I feel so disapponted that as a country, we are not united by our common identity as Americans, regardless of race, religion and ethnicity. Politicians will always play on our differences and suspicions of each other, as they did in the country I came from.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

CaliforniaMiss — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:31:21 GMT

Obama is NOT READY to assume the responsibilites of being President. He does not have adequate training nor experience in Politics under his belt. HE JUMPED THE GUN.. he should have waited until 4 more years. I don't trust Obama because of the double talk and outright fabrications he has been doing in Las Vegas with the Immigrants by putting fear into them that people like Lou Dobbs on CNN is fighting to have them hauled away in cattle cars, etc. He does a great job double talking out of both sides of his mouth making his lies as smooth as syrup. SHAME ON HIM to deny his own Minster and refusing to allow him to be a part of his campaign because his "White" Management Team thinks it would hurt his election. If Obama cares so much about the Black people, why aren't there any on his "top" Management team instead on the "second" level? PROOF OBAMA IS USING AND DECEIVING HIS OWN RACE TO GET ELECTED.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

cognitorex — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:23:54 GMT

Rush Limbaugh hearts Hillary: The McDelegates

Without Rush Limbaugh supporters voting for Hillary, Obama would have won the Mississippi primary 64% to 34%. (Registered GOP voters were 12% of Democratic primary voters, going 3 to 1 for Mrs. Clinton.)

Someone should keep a scorecard of the delegates that Rush and his insurgent GOP spoilers ring up for Hillary. Rush exhorts his GOP minions to vote for Hillary in the Democratic primaries as best they can. Pennsylvania is open to only registered Democrats so Rush's advice for Pennsylvanian Republicans is that there are almost two weeks left to go, go, go change party affiliation and vote for Hillary, the gal they love to hate.

A good name for these tampering votes might be the 'Rush hearts' Hill delegates' or simply the 'Limbaugh delegates'. Ann Coulter has expressed her preference for Hillary also so work her into the mix if you choose. And don't leave out John McCain. These are McDelegates and McVotes for Clinton we're talking about here. He'd love to have Hillary and all her negatives as his opponent. I imagine that he goes positively gleeful thinking that he can have Mrs 'Commander in Chief' as his opponent especially particularly especially because she voted for the War in Iraq.

If you rework the Mississippi numbers by backing out the 12% GOP crossovers who hearted the 'monster' candidate 3 to 1, Obama wins by 64% not 61% potentially losing out on one or more McDelegates. Remember Hillary also received many, many Rush loves Hill votes in th Texas primary. In Mississippi, without the GOP cross-over-ites, Obama's percentage of white voters would rise to 39% from 35%, his usual Southern range, as Hillary scores well with her sympathetic senior white women majority.

For those voters who recognize that a goodly portion of Mrs. Clinton's career, her triangulated voting record and her openness to status quo big business campaign offerings do not at their heart represent the change that Obama portends, they might enjoy (or not as the case may be) the verisimilitude in having the GOP cross the aisle to help inveigle her to a primary victory.

Imagine the tense waning minutes at the Democratic convention as Barack and Mrs. Clinton are tied. The chairman loudly casts his question across the hall, "And how do the crossover delegates elected by the McCain/Limbaugh/Coulter faithful cast their deciding ballots?"

These Limbaugh delegates argue heatedly for a moment as to whether they should call out, "We vote for the monster." or not, and then, summoning decorum to the best of their abilities, they cast the the deciding ballots.

As Mrs Clinton wins, Rush and Ann Coulter embrace deeply. Karl Rove hugs Tom DeLay and gives him a peck on the cheek. The GOP anointed go wild. Matt Drudge and Sean Hannity call out, "Who said politics can't be fun? Onward to November"

cognitorex blogspot com

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

keepUSgreat — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:35:55 GMT

Thanks for this great article, the analysis comes very close, but I think what actually happened in Mississippi can't be fully explained by the exit polls of Mississippi. What happened?! Shortly before Mississippi the republicans had finished finding their candidate and began to realize, "this guy might become the dem candidate." They then realized they'd rather have Hillary back in the White House than him so they crossed over. Had there been less of a battle on the Repub side earlier on you would have seen the crossovers much sooner and Hillary would already be the candidate. These "crossover" voters have decided they can possibly deal with Hillary but not Obama at all. It has absolutely nothing to do with race - he's just not at all qualified and most of his beliefs or to far to the left to suit the conservatives who just voted for Hillary. Go poll the earlier states - ask, had your candidate already been determined would you have voted for Hillary or Obama. That would be a good one for Rasmussen.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Elizabeth444 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:11:51 GMT

I am a "Republican"' who supports Hillary. We can take from this election data that Hillary appeals to many voters from many backgrounds. Just as some of BO's votes are from Hillary opponents, some of Hillary's votes are anti-Obama votes. Why just focus on one side of this? Again, this is the media taking an anti-Hillary stance.

And why is it that ONLY ABC.COM COVERED THE STORY ABOUT OBAMA'S PASTOR'S HATEFUL, ANTI-AMERICA SERMONS? Pastor Wright says, not "God bless America," but "God damn America." Absolutely repugnant...

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

bibliophileguy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:05:41 GMT

The Deal is that Mississippi is still fighting the Civil War. Bigotry reins supreme there. I'm from Alabama--I know about these things.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

bibliophileguy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:07:54 GMT

The "Deal" is that Mississippi is still fighting the Civil War. Bigotry reigns supreme there. I'm from Alabama--I know about these things.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:28:55 GMT

The problem with all of this is that the press, who raises their pom-poms for Obama as a black presidential candidate whose been successful thus far, only hurts him in the long run because people begin to see this as propping up an otherwise unqualified rookie.

Obama began this and became viable on his own, and his press buddies are hurting him with reasonable voters who now are solidifying against him because of this. Does that make them racist? Is it possible to not like a black man without being racist? Of course it is, but Obama's own campaign only has so many cards to play, since he doesn't have much of a record to inspect.

One of the bigger questions as we find out more about this guy is why would he be a member of a church where the pastor has been preaching "hating-whitey" rhetoric for the past 20 years? hmmm....

The fact is, blacks don't elect presidents, because there aren't that many of them. So, if he is as much of a unifier as he claims, he better start explaining stuff like this, or "whiteys" who think he is the real deal are going to desert him in droves.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Kim in Pasadena — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:32:25 GMT

I really am tired of reading that Senator Obama doesn't have much of a record to inspect. Actually, he has much more of a record to inspect and anyone who knows how to google search (and actually does it) knows this. Senator Obama has released all of his earmark requests in the Senate; Senator Clinton has not. Senator Obama has released all of his earmark requests while an Illinois State Senator. He has also released all of his tax returns; we have no tax returns for Senator Clinton since 2000. At the same time, Senator Obama clearly has 20 years of public service to examine. Senator Obama is younger (obviously) at 46 than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain, but his 20 year record is very impressive and not cluttered with 15+ years spent practicing corporate law. If you don't believe me about Senator Obama's record, click on this link:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/390/

As for the pastor mentioned, he is no longer Senator Obama's pastor. Also, this angry pastor has no involvement with Senator Obama's campaign. I would also point out that Senator Clinton likes Billy Graham quite a bit -- as do I most of the time. But Billy Graham has made some untoward anti-semitic comments in the past, should she be judged accordingly? This month, Senator McCain stood on a stage with John Hagee who has publically made known his hatred for the Catholic Church (he calls the Church "the Great Whore") and his hatred for Catholics in general. When was the last time Senator Obama stood on a stage campaigning with Jeremy Wright? That is correct, he hasn't.

By the way, I am a 40+ white woman who isn't certain if Senator Obama can "unify" people who refuse to look past their own noses, do some legitimate research and find the truth. Nonetheless, the majority of us can be unified by Senator Obama's call to civility and an end to gutter politics. I know some of you will keep throwing that gutter mud and guess what? This time it will have no effect.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:26:38 GMT

There's been comments about Hillary's financial past and present, Obama's minister and race. There's been analysis on why we should not be analyzing the analysis of race relations.

There has been traces of the issues and candidate electability tossed in. Mr. McCain sits happy in his catbird seat.

Is there a culture, race or ethnicity that can claim to be discrimination free? Anywhere? No.

Is there a politician with a perfect record in or out of the office. No. (Insert NY Gov joke here with a dash of Detroit Mayor. Next fix baseball and football lies with liars.)

Common sense would dictate that we look at the record and personalities of the candidates. How did they vote and for what? Not much difference.

Hmm. Look at the personalities with regard to foreign policy. Look at the record with regard to the economy.

But it seems most opposed to Hillary or Obama are opposed to them personally. That would make this whole election a giant reality TV show.

American President Idol.

Sadly, candidates are being voted out instead of being voted in. Hey maybe we can text our vote for most popular President. 60 cents per call, if you don't get through-keep calling.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:50:12 GMT

To Kim in Pasadena;

It's a ridiculously false comparison to lump Billy Graham in with that white-hating freak that baptized Obama's children. Christians and Jews have been battling for about two thousands years, and it's an easy way out for a supporter like you who can't actually defend the issue.

I do not care if you're black, white, brown, or yellow, but you somehow felt the need to tell me that--thanks. And who was it inserting race into the issue again? Let's see, that was Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro; I forgot.

No gutter mud here, lady...just pointing out that if the press put Obama in their gunsights like they are Hilary, or EVERY semi-conservative politico that doesn't think the government can solve everything, he would have been toast long ago.

Good luck hoping he can get past this white-hating preacher, because I don't think he can. His only hope is that our biased American media agrees with you--so he has a good chance.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:04:58 GMT

Yeah Kim. It not fair to compare the white-hating minister freaks with the black-hating minister freaks.

Stick to the issues like level-headed Pyramid666 did.

Oh! Kim did offer issue. And a link too! Sorry.

Pyramid offered...

...more hate.

Blame the media and not good, God-fearing, christians like Pyra.

No gutter-mud? Yeah. No.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:12:03 GMT

Pointing out inconsistencies is not hate, and Obama won't be elected if his people always claim that when they have no defense.

Billy Graham, as Kim said, has made anti-semitic comments. Anti-semitic does not equal anti-black, idiot. Nice try.

Did I claim to be a God-fearing Christian, or are you just assuming that like you do every thing else?

If that's all you campaign, blog-monitoring Obama cronies can offer those who disagree with you, you will not win in the general election.

Have fun, morons, We're all such racists.....gosh, I feel so bad about myself.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:19:29 GMT

Got anything else, Alvy? I'm waiting.....

I suppose you're doing your campaign's bidding and calling people evil racists on some other blog now.

Rah-rah, Obama. Yeah, right. I'll take Hilary Clinton anyday over this overrated empty suit.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:21:38 GMT

Obama can't actually employ people who can't debate or argue his beliefs on a simple Newsweek blog, can he?

So, you run when challenged?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:49:35 GMT

Pyra!

I come back, read you and smile.

You are too, too cool.

"Anti-semitic does not equal anti-black, idiot. Nice try."

What exactly does it equal?

That pretty much says it all. But I'll try.

You haven't quite worked your way up to office fodder yet, but you're getting close.

But you are:

"If that's all you campaign, blog-monitoring Obama cronies can offer those who disagree with you, you will not win in the general election. Have fun, morons, We're all such racists.....gosh, I feel so bad about myself."

You are too, too, too much fun Py Guy. Better than a 70's sitcom.

Archie Bunker comes to mind Pyra.

Here’s the link again from Kim: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/390/

Pretty good read – for those who can read. It looks at both candidate’s fact and fiction from hate mongers (you maybe):

“…Obama won't be elected if his people always claim that when they have no defense.”

His people? Hmmm.

You people? You slay me.

“I suppose you're doing your campaign's bidding and calling people evil racists on some other blog now.”

Good for you Py dude. That’ll teach me. If you keep up your rage you can go to the dark side and be one with the Emperor.

Yes, That’s it. Let go of your emotions.

Just ONE issue Pyra666. Try not to use the words race, you people, them…

There’s a good little democrat.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:02:43 GMT

All of that typing and still no defense?

I thought you might at least TRY to address what I said. Do you know the definition of anti-semitic, or were you just assuming I wouldn't and let your feeble comparison pass?

Seriously, you guys are going to have to do better than name calling if he's going to stand a chance in the General, even if he does squeak by the Clinton machine.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:05:34 GMT

Oh yeah...

I forgot to educate you, like you asked:

Anti-Semitic = jew-haters.

Anti-black = black haters.

The simplicity of it all surprises me more often than you think, because that's generally how people argue when they can't defend something.

I hope that helps you.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:14:33 GMT

Alvy, I mean to ask:

What's wrong with using the age-old English words "you people, and them" plainly referring to people other than yourself? How exactly, is that offensive?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:16:36 GMT

Im not in defense mode I'm in laugh at Archie mode.

Py dude, this is what you had someone type in for you:

Obama can't actually employ people who can't debate or argue his beliefs on a simple Newsweek blog, can he? So, you run when challenged?

Equal Zip said. Duh.

Got anything else, Alvy? I'm waiting.....I suppose you're doing your campaign's bidding and calling people evil racists on some other blog now.Rah-rah, Obama. Yeah, right. I'll take Hilary Clinton anyday over this overrated empty suit.

Equal Zip said.

Pointing out inconsistencies is not hate, and Obama won't be elected if his people always claim that when they have no defense.Billy Graham, as Kim said, has made anti-semitic comments. Anti-semitic does not equal anti-black, idiot. Nice try.Did I claim to be a God-fearing Christian, or are you just assuming that like you do every thing else? If that's all you campaign, blog-monitoring Obama cronies can offer those who disagree with you, you will not win in the general election.

Have fun, morons, We're all such racists.....gosh, I feel so bad about myself.

Equals zip said

You're not that bright Pyro.

But whoever wins, let's hope you get a cabinet position.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:20:21 GMT

I love you Pyro.

Anyone who can ask this questions...

"What's wrong with using the age-old English words "you people, and them" plainly referring to people other than yourself? How exactly, is that offensive?"

...needs a hug.

Who has forsaken you?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:22:34 GMT

I'm not quite getting what you're saying....gee, can you help me?

Once again, calling names when you can't articulate a defense against anything I've said.

You call me Archie, I call you Mrs. Jeremiah Wright, wife of the white-hating preacher.

Not sure what the Equal zip stuff is, but whatever gets your rocks off. Fine.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:24:01 GMT

Can you just hug me, so we can end this and be in love?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:33:25 GMT

Sorry Pyramid;

Gee. No one can help.

"Not sure what the Equal zip stuff is, but whatever gets your rocks off. Fine."

I was pretty sure you would not get it.

Please go to: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

I'm pretty damn sure you can't/won't read it. But it's good stuff to know.

If you can read it, come on back little buckeroo and I can sound it out for you.

That type of column has been coming up plenty for both candidates. It doesn't envolve race, so you might not like it.

Stay you Pyramid. Don't change a thing baby.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:40:25 GMT

No, I'm not going to read more media articles from inflated, self-important reporters with an agenda.

But thanks anyway.

I'll check back later and see how many other names I've been called for daring to think Obama might be a fraud.

How dare me think that? So full of hate!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:43:22 GMT

I know Py.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:55:35 GMT

Be like Mike and Abe.

However (pregnant pause for dramatic effect)... I will still vote for Mr. Obama or the Ms C,

'We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battle-field, and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

Mr. Lincoln said it... "the better angels of our nature...". I'm listening to them this election. I heard them once before, when that @#$%&* Peanut Farmer from Georgia ran for office and disappointed us all so much that the country voted an actor and monkey's straight man into the Oval Office (TWICE!!!!!). I hope that depth of disappointment doesn't happen again (it could!). I will remain optimistic, and listen to those angels.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:05:56 GMT

Ommm! you said the word, "them"!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:59:50 GMT

"I'm listening to THEM this election."

If I am to be lectured on what words to use, you should practice what you preach. You used or quoted this hate-filled speech and used the word THEM!

How dare you, Mrs. Wright?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:18:01 GMT

Listening to Angels?

An Abe Lincoln quote?

Pyra done lost his mind.

It wasn't a speach, little orphan, it was a quote.

You can not be that dumb.

You are so cute.

Can you?

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:46:40 GMT

Was it a quote, really? wow. Quoting a quote with the evil word "THEM" in it, must make you racist!

Based on your prior lack of responses, or genuine ability to engage in any sort of debate without name calling, or simply ignoring any point that destroys you, I guarantee you that you are overmatched more than you could possibly imagine. Besides, the fact that you say I "done" lost my mind is a case in point: You have to speak English, not Ebonics, or Obama-speak, if you are going to get anywhere with me or garner my respect.

So, scroll down and answer some of the other questions you ignored because your feeble mind couldn't handle them, and lets get it on!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:54:13 GMT

Hurrah Pyramid!!

'You have to speak English, not Ebonics, or Obama-speak.'

Dude. I'm white and kinda educated. You just proved you're not!

Yikes!

What a blatant racist.

Ouch! Please don't speak for US.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:59:32 GMT

Obviously then whites aren't exempt from speaking Ebonics! What else could that mean?

I proved what again? That I speak good English, and have a command of the language, and you don't inspite of your claims?

You need to recalibrate your sarcasm detector, Alvy. I was making fun of you and the quote based on your racism lecture earlier.

See you soon.....

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:04:43 GMT

I see you every day Pydolf

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:05:58 GMT

I'm waiting for more name calling.....

what was that again? I'll check back later.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:13:46 GMT

Pydolf, that's good.

Not bad for a "kinda educated" Obama lover.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:15:08 GMT

You should at least try to get some help here...

Put Obama himself on, and I'll take down Mr. Charisma point by point.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

pyramid116 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:31:42 GMT

Ok then..I win. You bore me--name calling, as though that's going to help your guy get elected in America this fall.

Yeah, right.

Have fun seeing the world through racial victimhood. What a positive, accomplished life you must lead.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:38:09 GMT

Good? Or fitting?

And who says I'm voting for Obama?

I wrote I'm voting for the Dem winner. See below.

I have a lot of respect and support for Hills and Obama, I just disrespect acorns like you.

And anyone else with the goosestep philosophy.

Get off of race Pydirt and you'll never have to read me picking on you. Say somethin' else.

You don't represent the minority or majority opinion.

You represent ignorance and intolerance on display.

To me, you're just a fun hayseed little dude. You want someone to answer your questions but didn't ask any. That's a little disconcerting. Are you really old and forgetful? You didn't/can't read any articles, candidate sites or review polls for differences in issue - and brag about not doing so. By the way Pyramides, the differences are few (only two glaring). Then, Py picks on one of the three questionable ministers.

You embarrass us as a people. What's left but to laugh at you Py.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

BeachComber — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:40 GMT

hey pydude,

I read your comment about how the press if propping up Obama, "an unqualified rookie"

as you say.

Then "Kim in Pasadena" answered you by stating that Obama has 20 years expereince doing things as a public service and pasted a URL to which you could go and read. She also pointed out accurately that Billy Graham in the past made some "not so cool" comments about another race and no stink was made about it.

This, you dismissed completely and with great ferver.

Incorrectly, you state that the press does not have it's guns on Obama, but if that was true, we would not be here tolking about him now.

If you are saying that the press should dig up some dirt on him, then I would say if there is some to dig then perhaps they should, however I think we are here going on a tangent about Obama's former pastor because there is no significant dirt to find.

A previous blog posted by Romano delved into the psyche of those that hold an implicit and unconscious animus towards blacks - about 80 to 90%.

It made accertions that these people are not swayed by the impressive resume of a black person but only by certain preconceptions of them IE, They are not fully american, they are unqualified. They hate whites and are scary.

You should read the blog it's:

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/03/12/expertinent-the-political-psychology-of-race-and-gender.aspx

What is so tragivc is you embody the people about whom the article talks.

You ignore the facts about Obama's qualifications, no resume of his will sway your opinion because it is not based upon your understanding of the facts only on your hatred.

You are so sure he has skeletons. You are so sure his claims of accomplishments are all false.

You are so sure his views are equal to those of his FORMER pastor.

You will accept nothing else.

Look at Obamas voting record compared to Clintons and you will see that they have little differences. Look at Obamas public service record and you will see that it is longer "hands on"

actual experience as an officer of the state than Clintons. Hillary's experience is lived vicariously through her husband. Her actual jobs were held in private law firms.

Obama is a harvard grad, he serve in the illinios legislature. he is a US senator with a viewable voting record. You will not see this. You would rather see his pastor than look at him.

You would rather parrot the other commenters and bloggers about his apparent lack of substance instead of reading his ideas and views yourself.

Alvy is right in taunting you because not much else will get your attention.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

Alvy — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:35:44 GMT

Hey Apple Py;

Seems it's not just me who understands and respects you.

BC guy had some pretty good observations. So did Kim.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

HILLARY4PRES09 — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:10:29 GMT

TRUTH IS THE REPUBLICANS ARE SETTING THINGS WAY THEY WANT!!!!....TRUTH.......REPUBLICANS DON'T LIKE HILLARY AND REALLY DON'T LIKE OBAMA!!!...REPUBLICANS WON'T STAND TO ALLOW A BLACK AMERICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE...NOT YET!! IN SOUTH, THEY RATHER SEE HILLARY, EVEN THOUGH DON'T LIKE HER!! GERALDINE FERRARRO WAS CORRECT IN WHAT WAS SAID...SEE, WE AS AMERICANS CAN'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH WITHOUT CALLIMG "FOUL"....OBAMA WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE ON PLANET MARS IF WASN'T BLACK!!!...BLACKS ARE BETRAYING CLINTON BECAUSE HE'S BLACK....OBAMA BASICALLY RUINED HILLARYS SEASON!!!...WITHOUT A DOUBT, HILLARY WOULD BEEN NOM. FROM BEGINNING!!!...MOST BLACKS DON'T VOTE ON POLICIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN TAKE TIME TO GET INTO THE "REAL ISSUES"!!! BLACKS JUMP ON BANDWAGON BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE "WHAT EVERYONES TALKING ABOUT"!!! THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CANDIDATES ARE SAYING, AND SADLY...(MOST BLACKS DON'T CARE)...ALL THEY ARE DOING IS GOING BY WHAT THE MEDIAS SAYING AND SHOWING!! (WHICH MOST TIME VERY MISLEADING)......THE REPUBLICANS HAVE REALLY DONE THEIR HOMEWORK THIS ELECTION!!!..THEY'VE SETUP WHERE THEY MADE OBAMA A HOUSEHOLD NAME AND STRONG CONTENDER, NOW PLAYING JUST RIGHT TO HAVE HIM IN POSITION TO ONLY START SHOWING TRUE COLORS NOW TO ALLOW HILLARY WIN AT RIGHT T IMES TO PROLONG RACE SO MEDIA CAN SHOW DEMS. ARE AGAINST EACH OTHER AND DOESN'T HAVE IT TOGETHER TO HAVE REPUBLICANS RETURN TO THE WHITEHOUSE!!!...THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OBAMA AT ALL...THAT WAS STUNT TO TAKE HILLARYS SUPPORTERS THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN HER ON AN EASY RIDE TO WHITEHOUSE....THE REPUBLICANS PLACED THAT "POTHOLE" IN THE ROAD!!!! WE AS AMERICANS ARE TO BLIND TO SEE THIS!!!...MAKING MCCAIN SEEMING TO BE "COMMANDER N CHIEF-READY"!!!!!......(AND THIS IS COMING FROM A BLACK-AMERICAN MALE)....HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN WHITEHOUSE BOUND RIGHT NOW IF NO OBAMA!!!!

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

BeachComber — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:20:35 GMT

H4PREZ you are more ridiculous than "Pyrade".

So you are saying the republicans have duped the porr, uneducated, ill-informed, stupid blacks into voting away Hillary's chance.

Let's not clue into the fact that the republicans in Mississippi are voting for Clinton.

Could it be, they see her as more beatable with her attackable history than Obama is with his insignificant dirt accumulation.

Let's ignore the fact that Obama, has more public service experience, military experience and a near equal voting record with Hillary and McCain.

Let us also forget that Obama can unite the dems and independants where Hillary can not.

You ignore Obama's impressive resume and reduce his success to a racial quirck.

Please, go back into your hole and do not emerge again. You embarrass every true american.

Obama's personality and passion make him appealing to everyone. His resume makes him a viable choice. Lastly, he just happens to be black.

This totallity is why blacks like him. They are not voting color. Obama has a better resume than Clinton. His skin color just happens to make him a historic and symbolic candidate.

If he get elected then maybe America has evolved racially and politically.

You, H4PRES are evidence that this is not the case.

You are a sad excuse for a person and you drag down the democratic party with your racial reasonings.

If anyone would say: "Obama's healthcare ideas are not for me." or "Obama's approach to Iraq is too slow for my desires." this would be acceptable reasons to not vote for him, but to say that you will not vote for him because a large number of black are voting for him. Or to say the you will not vote for him because he has no experience or because he is an empty suit or because his former pastor is dispicable is unacceptable, shallow and racist.

re: What's the Deal with Those Mississippi Republicans for Hillary?

larryluv30 — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:45:23 GMT

I NORMALLY READ COMMENTS BUT TODAY I FELT AN OBLIGATION TO RESPOND TO YOUR RIDICULOUS THOUGHTS H4PREZ...

IT IS VERY HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A BLACK AMERICAN MALE AFTER WHAT YOU HAVE WROTE. YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THEN TO STEREOTYPE A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND I AM DISGUSTED AS A BLACK MALE TO HAVE READ THE REMARKS THAT YOU MADE TOWARDS OUR RACE. WITHIN THE PAST 6 MONTHS I HAVE NOTICED PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND NATIONALITIES BECOME INTERESTED IN THIS ELECTION. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IVE SEEN THEM DO THERE HOMEWORK ON OBAMA AND CLINTON. HONESTLY AT FIRST I WAS MORE CLINTON THEN OBAMA BUT I HAVE CONVERTED AND IT WAS BC I INVESTIGATED AND IT SHOWS THAT ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL HAVE DONE THERE HOMEWORK AND HAVE CONVERTED. NOW DONT GET ME WRONG THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE BLACK AND WHITE WHO ARE SOLELY VOTING ON RACE AND GENDER AND NOT MERIT AND THATS WRONG. BUT HOW DARE U ALIENATE ONE RACE YOUR VERY OWN RACE AND BAD MOUTH THEM ESPECIALLY WHEN SO MANY ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE OUTCOME AND ONLY WANTS WHATS BEST FOR THEM AND THERE FAMILY. AND ALTHO I DONT CONDONE VOTING FOR RACE LETS BE REAL THIS LAST ADMINSTRATION SHOWED THEY CARED NOTHING ABOUT BLACK AMERICANS SO CAN YOU REALLY FAULT THEM FOR WANTING A FACE THEY THINK THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO RELATE TO THEM AND LOOK OUT FOR THERE BEST INTEREST WHILE IN OFFICE???? THE CANIDATE WHO WINS THE NOMINATION AS WELL AS THE PRESIDANCY SHOULD BE THE MOST QUALIFIED BUT LETS BE REAL HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN. YOU GIVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAY TO MUCH CREDIT AND U DONT GIVE OBAMA ENOUGH CREDIT. HE IS VERY WELL QUALIFIED. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN HIM IN DEBATE??? HAVE YOU NOT DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND INVESTIGATED WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS BETTER FIT FOR THE JOB BC FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN HAD AN OPEN MIND TO OBAMA. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU DISLIKE OBAMA ONLY BC HE MAY KEEP CLINTON OUT OF OFFICE. LETS BE REAL YOUR COMMENTS WERE ALL OPINION YOU HAD NO FACT AND HONESTLY THATS THE SIGNS OF AN IGNORANT PERSON. WHATS SAD IS YOU DOWNGRADE YOUR RACE AND YOU ARE THE VERY REASON WHY WE ARE STEREOTYPED AS BEING IGNORANT. U SAY WE HAVE JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON BUT IT IS YOU WHO IS OBVISOUSLY ON THE BANDWAGON THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU ARE ON CLINTONS BANDWAGON AND IM WONDERING WHY BC YOU GAVE NO REASON TO WHY YOU SUPPORT HER BUT WAIT LET ME GUESS YOU LIKE BILL. WELL IF THATS THE CASE NEWS FLASH HE AINT RUNNIN FOR PRESIDENT. YOU CLAIM THAT BLACKS ARE JUST JUMPING ON BOARD BC HES BLACK WELL WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER NATIONALITIES THAT ARE SUPPORTING HIM. WHAT ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA WHICH IS CONSIDERED A WHITE STATE??? CLINTON HAD TO PAY HER OWN CAMPAIGN SO SHE WOULDNT GO BROKE. IT IS OBVIOUS WHERE ALL THE SUPPORT IS GOING. U FAIL TO SEE THAT THIS IS A MOVEMENT OF AMERICANS WHO REALLY WANT CHANGE AND THAT THEY BELEIVE THAT THIS MAN CAN BE THAT CHANGE THAT AMERICA NEEDS SO BADLY. YOU ARE RIGHT HAD HE NOT RAN CLINTON WOULD EASILY HAVE WON BUT WOULD SHE HAVE BEAT MCCAIN??? WHO KNOWS BUT POLLS SAY PROBABLY NOT BUT OBAMA HAS A BETTER SHOT AT WINNING THE PRESIDENCY. SO BASICALLY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE REPUBLICANS GOT YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT. WE NEED A REAL CHANGE AND WE NEED A NEW FACE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND AMERICANS OF ALL RACES AND AGES AGREE. ONE LAST POINT IF OBAMA WAS PURPLE WHITE OR OF ANY OTHER DESCENT HE STILL WOULD BE WHERE HES AT TODAY AND THATS AHEAD OF CLINTON AND THATS SIMPLY BC HES MORE QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB.

I JUST WISH PEOPLE WOULD STOP MAKING THE EXCUSE FOR ANY PROFESSIONAL EDUCATED BLACK MALE THAT THE ONLY REASON WHY HES THERE IS BC OF HIS COLOR AND NOT BC OF HIS CREDENTIALS