Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

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Jack3213 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:58:49 GMT

The only reason Obama is popular at this time: More blacks are voting, and Whites are voting against Clinton. Both Democrats will lose. Why? Either alone cannot sustain the party. General Election theory: If Obama is chosen the whites will vote for Mccain. If Clinton is chosen no blacks will vote. No amount of speeches or papers will change this.

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ara9557 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:09:42 GMT

Do want any cheese with that whine? Hillary camp only have themselves to blame for their being behind in votes and delegates. If we can't win, let's use scorched Earth tactics so that Obama will not win in the General Election. Pretty sad of the Clintons, but that is the game they play and I am very surprised that their supporters are not appalled by their actions. John McCain is looking better each day.

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scubasteve74 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:11:38 GMT

jack3213 your last name would not happen to be Ferraro would it? What i find interesting about Ickes take on this is the fact he was on the DNC committee that stripped these to states of their delegates and took a very hard line in favor of doing so! Talk about hypocrisy!

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just jerry — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:16:13 GMT

Hypocrisy is when Obama who has been treated with kid gloves throughtout the campaign whines that the Clinton's have thrown everything including the kitchen sink at him.

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just jerry — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:16:44 GMT

Hypocrisy is when Obama who has been treated with kid gloves throughtout the campaign whines that the Clinton's have thrown everything including the kitchen sink at him. just jerry

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tfol — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:17:20 GMT

To answer the last question, NO Hillary is not helping the overall cause of the Democratic Party. She doesn't care one bit about the party of new, and is only interested in continuing the Clinton legacy of old that she was promised so she wouldn’t leave Bill after his famous BJ.

Tracy Morgan on SNL told it like it is, he basically said, “If she never had the Clinton last name she would never be where she is today, she would just be another white woman with a lot of money and no one to love her”.

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bsriddle — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:19:16 GMT

Wasn't it the DEMOCRATS themselves who put THEMSELVES in this predicament. Their a lame bunch of political manipulators who sabotaged themselves. The rule was - don't move up your Primary or the votes don't count. Simple as that. Live with the consequences of your actions and MOVE ON!

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wothe — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:25:46 GMT

Go ahead vote for Obama.

I'm sure the middle east will love the US having a President Hussien

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Johnybackward — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:26:08 GMT

Hillariuous Hillary is like a child who doesn't think the rules apply to her, or should be changed to fit her needs. Michigan's Democrats knew exactly what the outcome of an early primary would be.

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Time for Change — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:41:54 GMT

If Hillary wants a re-vote so bad, why don't she agree to pay for it. She wants everyone to stop what they are doing and focus on a re-vote because she says so. This is ridiculous to whine atfer-the fact.

Hillary and her campaign manager (who was on the Democratic board prior to joining Hillary's campaign) voted to penalize the states for moving up their primaries. Now that she needs the delegates --it's a different story. The media should just ignore her constant memos persuading them to focus on Michigan and Florida lest the media become "ditto-heads" like her supporters.

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cubster — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:50:20 GMT

Obama is excelling at Dem party delegate strategy. However at this time he has lost all of the traditional Democratic strongholds. Calif, New York, Mass (where he had the support of Kerry/Patrick/Kennedy sounds like an irish law firm) he lost. He also lost swing states of Florida and Ohio. He was the only one to have Fla. TV ads prior to the primary shown through a national buy (good skating of the letter of the law if not the spirit). He has won the most states and delegates and will probably win the nomination. That means that Penn is a must win for him. It is the last of the big States that the Dems count on.

His team killing the re-vote effort in both Mich and Fla means that there is only one chance for him to prove Hilary's contention to be false , that he can't make it in the core states the Dems count on to be competitive in presidential elections. That does not mean he will not get the election. The elders decided that awhile ago. I believe that is why people like Alder have been calling for her to get out of the race since Iowa. I believe that is also the reason that no visible effort has been made to resolve the Mich and Fla issue till the end of the process. No accommodation has been offered by Dean and the leadership, even though New Hampshire also went against the rules as to their date but were given a waiver. I don't know if anyone remembers, but Fla can go either way in an election year. Lets see if we can think of something to dis them further to Guarantee they go red. Anyway a Penn win could at least show that Obama might really be competitive.

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atthebeach — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:50:33 GMT

The voters of Michigan and Florida were not disenfranchised. They had ample opportunity to raise their collective hands when the state legislatures were debating the bill to move the dates of their respective primaries. Where was the outrage then? Why did they not ask "If this law passes and my vote does not count, what happens then?" Instead the citizens of Florida and Michigan sat on their respective behinds. Don't complain about the rules now - this is a sad lesson learned. There is so much blame to go around including the voters of both states. Maybe next time you will pay more attention to what's going on in Lansing and Tallahassee. I should know - I'm one of those citizens.

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sheilaj — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:51:29 GMT

The citizens of Florida and Michigan did not change the rules. A small group of people did. The people of FL and MI deserve to have their votes count. What is Obama afraid of? If he says he wants to unite the party, shouldn't he include everyone? He is not change...

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spudman — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:02:05 GMT

It's too bad for the voters in Michigan and Florida, but a decision made, in cases like this, should be a decision kept. Where was the outrage and urgency back when this process was first going on? Murphy's law strikes again. Michigan and Florida didn't matter when it was thought that Hillary would have it all wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Now, all of the Democrats deserve whatever they get from the original decision. If, by chance, Hillary gets the presidency, is this how the Democrats expect to run the country? Best to get things right the first time, and move on with your life. I can't believe all the energy, time and effort spent on punishing someone for going against the DNC rules, and then try to undo what was done when it's to one's advantage to do so. Be an adult, and stick to the governing rules and decisions.

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Shadoe01 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:07:07 GMT

Obama does not want a do over because he is afraid of what will happen. This again points out to the fact that he has stated numerous times that everyones votes should count. He had better remember that these are two big democratic states full of working class people and if he does not follow through with what he has stated, (which of course is nothing new) you can be sure that is he is the nominee that he will loose both states big come election time in November. There will be alot of Democrats who don't vote at all or will vote for John McCain.

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scubasteve74 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:14:36 GMT

I always here clinton supporters crying Obama has been given a free pass by the media,but when you do not have the baggage a clinton does just what is it you want the media to rail against? It seems to me actions and undeniably stupid comments of his preacher have been played so hard and long now I have his rants memorized! But in the long run if the only thing the media has on obama are the words and deeds of someone other than him I will be just fine with that!

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Christy Says — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:14:46 GMT

Hillary Clinton is a female George dubya Bush, believing rules & laws apply to everyone else. Hillary, her campaign staff, and the media have forgotten Hillary pledged, in writing, to boycott Michigan. That meant zero campaigning, zero name on the ballot. She must have attached a "signing statement" that reversed her pledge, for her name was on the ballot, for a vote that would not count. Next thing you know, Hillary will be claiming "executive privilege." Granted, there are people who truly support the idea of another arrogant, delusional, insincere, crs, incompetent, bullying from the lecturn President; fortunately, the majority of the USA does not. Say good-bye Hillary.

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scubasteve74 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:19:09 GMT

Also democrats who threaten to vote McCain while they did nothing to stop there states from moving primaries, should please just go ahead and do it. It is the stupidest position I have ever heard.

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montanabuzz — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:26:09 GMT

the michigan and florida democratic parties are responsible for this mess. they chose to move their primaries up knowing full well their delegates wouldn't be seated. i say the national party go ahead and seat those delegates but split them 50/50 for obama and clinton. that way they are seated and "have a voice" but not one that could change the outcome. of course, that would seal the deal for obama. hillary is risking drtiving the party off a cliff.

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John the Elder — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:28:58 GMT

This is the same Hillary Clinton who was prepared to deny Barack Obama any delegates because he followed the rules and removed his name from the ballot, while Hillary and her crew defied the rules and left her name on the ballot. She didn't care about him when she had a chance to, and now she expects him to go out of his way to help her? Where I come from that is called gall. It is about time she found out that the Clintons can't always get things their way.

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OrangeCountyCA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:30:52 GMT

tfol: Hillary didn’t leave Bill because she is loyal just as loyal as Obama is to pastor.

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mjkoch — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:32:26 GMT

Hillary will not get the nomination. It is clear after Obama's speech yesterday and the more than two million downloads on YouTube of that speech that he has touched people in a way no other politician has since John Kennedy did in 1960 and his brother Robert did in 1968. The number of young people that are joining the political process because of Obama is staggering. The commentators like to speak about the Black vote but he is not winning States such as Minnesota, Washington, North Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Wyoming because of any Black votes. He has clearly tapped into a deep yearning for change in the American people and for a leader to bring the country together. If you hate the Republicans then I guess you are going to vote for the revenge minded candidate, Hillary Clinton, but what both both Clinton's have failed to understand is that America wants to get beyond the politics of divisiveness, polarization and demonizing those who don't agree with our particular point of view. Obama's message is the message of hope and a new way of getting the nations business accomplished without angry and nasty partisanship.

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dbx1 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:49:01 GMT

Michigan and Florida voters are disenfranchized because their state elected officals decided to flout the rules. These disenfrancheized voters should vote--to kick out the idots they voted for who put them in this situation. If ANY appeasement is given to these states then what will keep 2012 from being a total mess of a primary schedule? Just flout the rules all you want and there will be no consequences. Is this the American Way? Yes. Is it right? No.

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:50:34 GMT

OBAMA IS A CHEATER! NO A RACIST CHEATER! I DON'T CARE HOW MANY SPEACHES YOU GIVE, ONLY A RACIST WOULD SUPPORT REV. WRIGHT!

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Bay Area Gal — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:51:21 GMT

So the great uniter wants to win without the votes of 2 significant states. Fits in well with his overall approach that its my united way or the highway. For a so called consensus builder he seems cocky, aggressive and dismissive of his opponents. Each dfay is ee a headline-Obama mocks CLinton forxxx, Obama says Clinton divisive; Obama belittles McCain...

Seems he is is much a uniter as our last good ol ispring boy GWB is.

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News and Notes — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:51:40 GMT

FL and MI are very important, and the DNC missed the mark. Obama's speech was political, self preserving, provocative, finger pointing rhetoric. If he were running for ambassador to the U.N., he did wonderfully, but as a presidential candidate it was completely off topic. The entire debacle is another example of his failing to take responsibility for his shortcomings, as well as his being naive. There are many black men and women who would make a wonderful president, but he is not amongst them. Go Hillary!

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:52:58 GMT

OBAMA WILL DO ANYTHING TO WIN. HE WILL LIE, CHEAT, AND GIVE EMPTY SPEECHES. HILLARY WILL KEEP AMERICA FROM THE RECESSION WE ARE HEADING FOR.

NOBAMA!

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charisma9949 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:54:20 GMT

Hey all:

Google "Hillary's Nasty Pastorate"

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:55:40 GMT

I AM AMAZED AT THE LYING AND CHEATING THAT IS GOING ON WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICALS THAT SUPPORT OBAMA. IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO NOT SEAT FL AMD MI. YET THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN BREAK THE LAW TO SUPPORT A MAN THAT IS WORSE THAN BUSH!

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MyVote08 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:57:38 GMT

Consider this strategy: You let the time pass and MI and FLA are not counted. You win the most states. You win the popular vote. You pick up the endorsement of the Super Delagates and become the nominee. Then you say, "For the good of THE Party and all Democrats, let's unite at the convention and seat the delagates from those two states! Game over.

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copper01 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:57:57 GMT

Clinton was aware of the rules in Michigan and Florida before the primary started and agreed to them .To throw a big fuss now is just another way to get her own way no matter what it means to anyone else. She should give up the revote gracefully . You can not change the rules in the middle of the game.

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:58:41 GMT

AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE AND VOTE FOR THE PERSON THAT YOU KNOW WILL KEEP THIS COUNTRY FROM GOING INTO A RECESSION! DON'T LISTEN TO ELOQUENT SPEECHES AND EMPTY PROMISES FROM obama. VOTE SMART VOTE FOR

HILLARY CLINTON!

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:01:07 GMT

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:01:59 GMT

HILLARY CLINTON!

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raider64 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:04:39 GMT

I'm glad people keep bringing up rules. The rule they seem (conveniently) to forget is that you don't get the nomination because you have more delegates. You get the nomination if you have 2025 delegates. Guess what, folks? Neither Dem is gonna get it without superdelegates. How about that math? And I suppose Ted Kennedy will cast for Clinton - after all didn't she win MA? Obama's not worried about delegates in MI & FL - he's worried that he could lose the popular vote nationally. His 1000 votes in ME pales next to Clinton's pluralities in the big states. We don't pick the nominee based on who can lose closest in Utah or Georgia - we need the OH & PA & VAs. Either candidate can win the White House - how about letting the process work and stop the "stealing" talk?

BTW - Obama's TV ad buys in FL don't count (I guess) and Kucinich was on the ballot in MI. It doesn't matter - HRC is the devil incarnate, right?

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:05:02 GMT

I AM AFRAID THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE GREATEST VOTERS REMORSE WE HAVE EVER SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY. PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA ARE REGRETTING THEIR DECISOIN AND WISH THEY COULD TAKE THEIR VOTE BACK. READ OTHER NEWS BLOGS BESIDES MSNBC (WHICH IS BIAS IN obama's FAVOR) AND SEE HOW SO MANY AMERICANS ARE REGRETTING THEIR VOTE FOR obama.

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:10:14 GMT

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smurphy20 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:15 GMT

stev - how many ALL CAPS posts in a row will you make saying essentially the same thing?

The fact that you think that this is "unconstitutional" shows how uninformed you are. This is a party primary, not a national presidential election.

Hillary is the most disingenuous, filthy candidate I've ever seen. If people are having "buyer's remorse" re: Obama because of the comments of his PASTOR, instead of the truth of the character of Obama himself, what a sad state of affairs...

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cogitohopper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:23 GMT

The only fair way to resolve this would be to have a fair election. The only time and way to do that was when the first one occurred. The legislature is the one stopping this, not Barack. I wish they Axelrod had just kept his mouth shut and made the legislature say why they wouldn't support it. You can't have a fair primary election without all the candidates on the ballot and the parties competing for their votes. Hillary needs to quit blaming Barack for results hat she helped create when she voted to deny those votes in the first place.

"I am for the election now that it is over, but I was against it until it occurred" "I was against the war before I voted for it and now I am against it again." Phone rang...3AM..."I was against bombing Iran until I pushed the button. Now I have read the intelligence report can we rebuild Tehran?" She is worse than Bush. At least he thinks he's right when he is wrong. We definitely don't have to worry about her being "the decider."

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Core Democrat in Texas — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:19:35 GMT

Watching Obamsas speech on YouTube doensn't mean you like Obamsa any more than watching Rev Wright's speech means you agree with him.

Obama supporterrs demonize the Clintons, Clinton supporters, the Democratic Partyand its primary process, (while using it) , Democrats' accomplishments and efforts to promote Democratic party policies., and everyone who does not worship Obama. That is DEVISIVE,

Obama supporters have used the Democratic Party to promote their candidate's personality, not Democratic Party platform. They care nothing about the party or its platform; they care nothing about what happens to the party, only their man. Despite their eagerness to call the Clintons devisive, the Obama supporters are happy to tear this party to shreds if their man is not the top dog.

I liked Obama early on, but his campaign has been all about him; he cares nothng about the Democratic Party, which is just a vehicle he wants to use to ride to the top. I fear that Obama will destroy the Democratic Party, which I have loved for 40 years, and every day Obama's bloggers and pro-Obama journalists prove that my fears are justified.

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zzxno — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:21:32 GMT

Michigan and Florida voters were warned quite thoroughly the concequences of their actions when they chose to hold primaries early, it's not like it was a surprise that the DNC sprung on them at the last minute. I have some sympathy for Florida voters since it appears that the Republican lead state government was responsible for them moving up their primary dates, but none whatsoever for voters in Michigan.

The fact is that those voters disenfranchised themselves by not following the clearly stated rules. It's like submitting your vote on a napkin instead of a ballot and then screaming that you've been disenfranchised when they toss your napkin instead of counting it. The rules in place are there for a reason, and these elections are not simple things to organize and hold in a way that gaurantees fairness. To approve a plan for a last minute revote that doesn't gaurantee a fair result is worse than not seating the delegates at all.

Finally, with the Clinton camp discounting any state that they haven't won I find it hard to believe that they would care if Florida and Michigan were actually seated if it wasn't clear thta Hillary has a slight advantage in those states. They could give a crap less about disenfranchising voters, otherwise they wouldn't be currently trying to win via a super-delegate coup.

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zivo24 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:24:46 GMT

I don't know a single person who voted for Obama who regrets it.

On the contrary, we are all eager to vote for him again in the presidential election.

I've read your posts before, Stev, and you're living in your own fractured little world and are obviously completely out of touch with reality.

Obama leads Clinton in the popular vote by more than 80,000 even if disqualified elections in both Florida and Michigan are included. And that is without his name even being on the Michigan ballot, where more than 300,000 votes were cast for "uncommitted".

A re-vote would only serve to widen Obama's lead. He has established a solid pattern of winning the major urban areas even in states where he loses the majority vote, such as he did in Texas. With that pattern likely to continue, it's unlikely, if not impossible, for Clinton to make up any ground. She won the Ohio and Texas primaries but didn't get a signifcant net gain in delegates.

So, scream with your capitals all you want but it's not going to make a difference in the math.

I respect Clinton, but she needs to act in the best interests of the party instead of herself and accept that she is not going to win the nomination without some behind the scenes politicking that will ensure a democratic loss of the general election.

Clinton has already lost this nomination mathematically but her refusal to accept that and use any means to try to cheat out a victory will bring about the end of this party.

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:28:59 GMT

HILLARY CLINTON!

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smurphy20 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:29:30 GMT

Core Democrat in Texas: You should use some examples to support that argument. If you swapped "Clinton" in for "Obama" in all but your first paragraph, it would be a fairly accurate statement on my feelings re: Hillary and her supporters.

How do you argue that Obama is being more divisive and willing to tear this party to shreds? I don't think there's any disagreement nationally that Hillary is viewed as taking far more cheap shots (plagiarizing, "shame on you", etc) and leading a far dirtier campaign. She's the one that is ruining the party's chances

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zivo24 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:31:12 GMT

It's actually odd that Clinton would be so gung ho on Michigan re-voting.

In the disqualified primary, in which she was the only major candidate who refused to honor the DNC party rules by not placing their name on the ballot, she beat out "uncommitted" by only 90,000 votes.

Current polls show her and Obama running neck and neck if a re-vote were to be held.

So, a re-vote in Michigan would only widen Obama's lead in both delegates and the popular vote.

Maybe the same people who were mismanaging Clinton's campaign budget a couple months ago are still guiding her.

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kappaman — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:31:48 GMT

It's so amazing how so many people who will vote for a person just because they see them on tv a great deal and they are married to someone popular but don't really know a dam thing about politics at all. The Clintons had there MAJOR direct in the 90's hell he went in front of millions of people and lied about having a relationship with another woman and you people forgave him. Obama's Pastor make remarks like many other white Pastor such as Pat Robertson and he said some whoppers and others. If you know of Any President or someone running for President who EVER made such a powerful speech in the past 40 years please email me at coryrharris@aol.com.

Think before you speak and judge when you know the real facts

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:32:56 GMT

IF OBAMA MAKES IT TO NOVEMBER ( AND WE ALL HOPE HE DOESN'T) MICH AND FL WILL GO REPUBLICAN JUST AS EVERY OTHER LARGE STATE THAT HILLARY CLINTON HAS WON. OBAMA CAN'T WIN THE LARGER MORE POPULUS STATES AND MORE IMPORTANT STATES THAT HILLARY HAS WON. THEREFORE THE DEMS WILL LOOSE IN NOVEMBER AND ANOTHER BUSH WILL BE IN OFFICE.

THANKS OBAMA FOR RUINING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

NOBAMA!

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:35:21 GMT

CORE DEMOCRAT IN TEXAS YOU ARE RIGHT ON!

NOBAMA!

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NewsWkDickG — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:38:04 GMT

The obvious better organization and cooperation demonstrated by the Republican Party, contrasted to the Democratic Party, is really paying dividends for McCain. Personally I feel the DNC and the Superdelegates are being totally irresponsible and causing the Democratic candidates to literally tear each other apart, thus giving McCain ammunition and advantage for November. When, in 2004, Bush needed McCain's strong support it was there and in return McCain got the support for 2008; don't be surprised when 2012 or 2016 comes around and then Romney receives the needed support. In the mean time, the Democrats can't pull their candidates off each others' neck and are watching them destroy any chances for November. The party leaders are offering that it is great that they have two wonderful candidates but that is self- delusional as they are only showing the voters each others' actual and colored faults. As an example, while Barack tries to stick with the high road and Hillary starts to loose any points, she becomes more desperate and pulls out all stops, tearing down Barack and showing her own negatives in the process. If the party leaders don't step in and resolve the issues (MI & FL for example) and bring the party together behind one candidate, they will only have themselves to blame for Novembers resulting failure.

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:41:11 GMT

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT OBAMA SUPPORTERS CHEAT IN THE CAUCAUS THE REPORTS IN REGARD TO OBAMA SUPPORTS CHEATING WERE NUMEROUS. WHY DO YOU THINK HE WINS CAUCUSES IN STATES WERE HE LOST IN THE PRIMARY BECAUSE HIS SUPPORTERS CHEAT! IS THIS THE TYPE OF PRESIDENT YOU WANT T FOR AMERICA?

HILLARY CLINTON- FOR PRESIDENT!

NOBAMA!

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Jamers9 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:47:12 GMT

Speaking of math. If the democratic party had winner take all states, as some republican ones are, and all presidential ones are, then Hillary would have the "Math". Since she won California, why should she not get all of Califiornia's superdelegates, they represent that state, so should they not vote with that state's conscience. Give her New York's too, and texas', and Ohio's. get the picture. If they have to go with the math, then they are even more useless thanall politicians seem to be right now. They were selected to make a decision, so we should let them do it. If people are so hooked on the popular vote and the delegats, why are we not looking to change the presidential electoral college, as it is just as silly as this one.

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MyVote08 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:47:48 GMT

Read the venom in these blogs. And we thought race was decisive? The DNC should lean on the super delegates to say enough already so the Dems have time to mount a fight against the Republicans, not each other. The state candidates are going to loose seats when the Dems hand it to McCain.

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dunlop65 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:50:45 GMT

The Core Democrats are 'Yesterdays Men' who will have virtually no chance in November without Obama and his 'New Wave' of Democratic enthusiasm who will be needed by a then revitalised Democratic party.

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stev — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:50:46 GMT

HILLARY CLINTON- FOR PRESIDENT!

NOBAMA!

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Starfan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:51:27 GMT

Sheilaj said: The citizens of Florida and Michigan did not change the rules. A small group of people did.

Correct and those people who voted knew well in advance their votes wouldn't count but they voted anyway. For what purpose is beyond me as Clinton went on record last year to say they wouldn't count and it was merely a beauty contest. Now all the whiners are screaming foul when not a peep was uttered when Hillary was the presumed front runner. Take your gripes to the legislators and not to Obama.

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smith8917 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:05:13 GMT

I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE HILLARY IS OUT OF THE RACE AND I'M SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY ONLY OUTLET IS TO MAKE THINGS UP ABOUT OBAMA! I SAY THINGS LIKE CHEAT, RACIST, RECESSION, AND NOBAMA BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AND THEY WILL LIKE HILLARY THEN. IT'S ALL PART OF HER "KITCHEN-SINK" STRATEGY WHICH I'M A MAJOR PART OF BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE DUMB ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE SHE HAS A CHANCE. LOVE STEV

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akaDoug — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:20:12 GMT

Hillary can I have my money back? I supported you for 8 months (not to mention the 8 years when you were picking out flowers and entertaining other wives - great presidential experience I might add!), gave you $150 of my hard earned mony and now you go out and screw the party that I have been a member of for nearly 40 years!

You don't change the rules after the game has started! You don't find new ways to count the score after the contest has begun! You shouldn't go around trashing the soon to be leader of your party, just because he beat you fair and square!

Florida and Michigan were punished (and they knew they would be) for changing the dates of the primary (Clinton and her campaign manager agreed to it). I hope the citizens take out their rightful rage on the politicians that did this to them!

For all you math wizards out there, if Clinton is the nominee we will probably win the normal Democratic states like New York and California but still lose Florida, Missouri, Texas and Ohio. If Obama is the nominee we will win all the normal Dem states AND win Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Iowa and be competitive in places like Louisiana, South Carolina, Georgia and Kansas. Think big and you'll achieve big! Think small....well you know the rest!

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magpie57 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:23:52 GMT

Cubster,

Your contention that Obama MUST win PA to win the nomination is erroneous. In fact, even if Hillary were to win every remaining contest by 10% points, she would not pass him up. That is what is so disgusting about watching her self-centered destruction of the Democratic party's advantage in November. Obama will surely lose PA, but Hillary will only go on to win the Redneck States (W. Virigina, Kentucky and possibly PR). It is a foregone conclusion that she can only win through whining and manipulation. Talk about the press giving her a bad time, they're tightening down the screws on Obama harder than they ever did her. As a parent, I never rewarded my children for whining. Too bad Hillary's parents didn't do the same. Obama will be the Democratic nominee, and it is a shame he can't be honing in on McCain's weaknesses rather than defending himself because someone he knows said something awful. How many times has he been subpoeneaed to stand before a grand jury, and how many times has Hillary? Talk about your skeletons in the closet, the Clinton's have a mansion full.

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deets4314 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:25:25 GMT

I simply love how the Billary campaign... and all of its supporters... like to have things both ways. Billary has SAID... I saw her say it... that Florida and Michigan will not count. NOW she says they should. Without anyone even campaigning in either state, running ads (she did though) and Obama's name even being on the ballot in Michigan. And then its Obama's fault that the political leaders in both states disregarded the DNC's threats and moved up their primaries. The real irony is, Harold Ickes, on Billary's CAMPAIGN was instrumental in creating this penalty for Florida and Michigan. The other illogical argument from the Billary camp is that Billary has won the big states... and Obama won't so superdelegates should all pick Billary for the general election. More ridiculousness... will McCain win California.. ha ha... will he win New York??? Ummmm... no. And medium states Obama lost... will McCain win Massachusetts? How about New Jersey? It's just madness. Obama will win plenty of the big states and from what we've seen, a ton of the small states too. And can you see Obama and McCain in a debate... just close your eyes and picture it. Get real Billary supporters... and have some integrity.

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Akujin — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:32:36 GMT

asf

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NewsWkDickG — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:47:24 GMT

The obvious better organization and cooperation demonstrated by the Republican Party, contrasted to the Democratic Party, is really paying dividends for McCain. Personally I feel the DNC and the Superdelegates are being totally irresponsible and causing the Democratic candidates to literally tear each other apart, thus giving McCain ammunition and advantage for November. When, in 2004, Bush needed McCain's strong support it was there and in return McCain got the support for 2008; don't be surprised when 2012 or 2016 comes around that Romney receives the needed support. In the mean time, the Democrats can't pull their candidates off each others' neck and are watching them destroy their chances for November. The party leaders are offering that it is great they have two wonderful candidates but that is self-delusional as Clinton and Barack are only showing the voters each others' actual and colored faults. As an example, while Barack tries to stick with the high road and Hillary starts to loose any points, she becomes more desperate and pulls out all stops, tearing down Barack and showing her own negatives in the process. If the party leaders don't step in and resolve the issues (MI & FL for example) and bring the party together behind one candidate, they will have only themselves to blame for November’s resulting failure.

I really have a hard time understanding how the public has endured this long and can still maintain any loyalty to either of the Democratic candidates; I know that I for one am fed up with it. The seven plus years of the Bush administration have left me totally against anyone that would continue those self-indulgent, irresponsible, dishonest and sociopathic policies, aimed to benefit a select few, – as I see it that means McCain, who states he will stubbornly continue as is, and Hillary, who clearly demonstrates the same self-focused, unconscionable sociopathic personality (as GWBush). Both are products of the ‘Washington as usual’ mentality and are indebted to it. Then there is Obama, who is the only one that accurately identifies the problems and demonstrates the honesty, integrity, character and focus to sincerely address them, but the Democratic leadership just stands back, watching while the fighting and mud-slinging drags on without conscience, especially from Hillary (it being consistent with her sociopathic personality). Look at the MI & FL fiasco where the candidates are fighting it out, even though they had nothing to do with it, when the national and state party leaderships caused the problems and should be the only people to equitably resolve it. The Democratic Party has a candidate that offers America hope and yet the Democratic leadership is literally handicapping his chances. Go figure! Senator McCain, say ‘thank you’.

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GoreFan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:47:46 GMT

If Michigan democrats are serious about a revote why do they continue to throw up road blocks, such not allowing registered democrats who voted for in the Rebulican primary to take part in the revote. It is obvious that someone is afraid of how they might vote. The first Michigan primary was so bastardized that the results are less then meanless. Democrats who voted in the Rebulican primary may only have been trying to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with only having one choice on the Democrats ballot. If your having a redo, let everyone participate don't disenfranchise any democrat.

Of course the simplest solution is to draft Al Gore for president.

Gore/Obama 08 - experience and judgement

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bluestate1 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:11:32 GMT

The only way Obama will legitimately win is if he allows votes in Michigna to be counted. Otherwise, he is a cheat and liar. I guess we already knew he lies, though.

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KikiJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:50:03 GMT

bluestar1,

How can you say that Obama is a liar, when Hillary signed an agreement not to place her name on the ballot in Michigan? There is absolutly know way that Hillary can win this election...if you can't see that then you have real problems. Especially when it has been proven that Hillary's win in Texas was due to Republicans voting for her to keep the stupid democratic battle going. The same thing happened in Mississippi and Ohio. If Hillary truly cared about this party she would bow out, she cannot win without cheating and the damage that she will bring to the democratic party will cost us the election.

Let's see, what has Obama done....he has brought young people out to vote...we have had more democrats vote in these primaries than ever. People are actually excited about this election and this candidate. He will be an asset to the democratics that will be running for offices in the Senate and Congress as well. Hillary is hated by conservatives so much that those who take issue with Mccain will come out to vote against her. As it is now I am not certain how we will do in the November election....Obama has had alot of bad press lately. But please don't be confused...Hillary will loose.

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exhooper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:18:59 GMT

I say Michigan and Florida...go ahead and not vote for a democratic candidate....it can only get worse....MI and FL don't have alot of options......they either like things as they are or want change....the GOP love florida.......its the GOP godparent state.....lol.........Hillary is killing the democratic party....obama should be strenghthening his foreign policy experience.....he does have a husband he could hang out with for 8 years and be rready on day one.......lol

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LadyVoter — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:24:23 GMT

In my opinion I think that Obama is in effect taking the position since they won't vote for me in Michigan, they can't vote.

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LadyVoter — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:26:23 GMT

To Kikih:

Clinton never signed a document saying she would not put her name on the ballot in Michigan. Obama took his name off because he knew he would lose Michigan and didn't want to go into Iows with a lose, so he took his name off.

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MrHegemony — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:29:03 GMT

Finally, someone completely nailed it - Ben, your last line, "But it begs the question--if Clinton is so worried about the Democrats' prospects in November, is this fight over Michigan and Florida helping?" is exactly what I've been wondering.

If Hillary said nothing at all about Florida and Michigan, would there be as many people upset at the Democratic party over all of this? Common Sense tells me no. Most voters aren't interested in the intricacies of the democratic process, which is completely understandable.

But by highlighting all of this and trying to pin it on Obama, Hillary's camp is doing damage to the Democratic party as a whole.

Hillary's been trying to throw the Democratic Party under the bus for a while now (see her comments about McCain being more experienced than Obama). Frankly, there are enough Democrats pissed at Hillary that something's going to give pretty soon.

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exhooper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:43:16 GMT

I wonder why Clinton backers want Obama to help her out........he has nothing to gain from MI or FL only something to lose......Hillary better work on her Caucusing......MI and FL are bigger than Hillary and Obama.....Edwards and Richardson were all informed on how the DNC was gonna deal with FL and MI..........Hillary's is in her fairytale world......and doesn't see the Democratic Party she just sees Hillary

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exhooper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:54:57 GMT

Only dumd Hillary voters think that Obama won't carry the states that Hillary won.......any state fullof diversity is an Obama state come November......democratic states will remain....it is the blue collar states the one that Hillary is putting so much emphasis on that may be too proud cuz of the white /black thing......these are the swing states.......with the economy being what it is they will have to take what they get from the democratic party........if not stay in debt....but the latinos and blacks cant be stupid enough to support Mc Cain..........they'll find there grandchildren fighting in Iraq.......

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sue45 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:56:50 GMT

Clinton's backers have guaranteed up to $12 million for a re-vote in Michigan. Usually when politicians buy an election, they're more subtle.

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exhooper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:57:58 GMT

last but not least why when Hillary has no real shot to win does she waste supporters hard earned money on a campaign that is tearing the party apart......and why swhould Obama waste his campaign money on another primary....when he could be strengthening his presidential resume......Clinton is spelled with a capital SELFFISHNESS

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KikiJ — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:05:04 GMT

LadyVoter,

Try again....Hillary, Obama and Edwards signed an agreement stating that they would not have their names on the ballot. Hillary lied. Hillary agreed that both Florida and Michigan's vote would not count until she saw that she was not winning.

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DCryst — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:33:51 GMT

Billions - trillionis for a war in Iraq. Millions from Oprah but not One Red Cent for a reelection in two of the most populated states in the country. Barack stands and watches does his standard double talk and he wins by default. This whole process is so undemocratic and so unAmerican.

If I lived in Michigan or Florida I would send everyone involved a very clear message in November. I would vote for the opposite party.

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Nuqueen1 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:48:25 GMT

Why is Bill praising McCain? Why does Bill go on Faux News all the time? Why did Rupert Murdoch hold fundraisers for Hillary?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/09/clinton-got-money-from-re_n_90605.html

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/12/clinton-on-haliburton-and-dubai/

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/iran.html

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tephraim — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:01:42 GMT

I am a Michigan resident who is also a registered Democrat. There should no re-vote. All my life I've been told that we should play by the rule. The rules were set before this primary season began. You can not change the rule midway through the game. I voted for a Republican in the primary because I understood and accepted the fact that the Democratic delegates would not be seated.

My first objection to a re-vote is that our state is not in a position to fund this, even with the promise that the state would be re-payed. Our state if very deep in debt. We should not spend a dime on this.

My second objection is that I would not be able to vote in a second primary, although I am a registered Democrat, because I voted in the Republican primary. I was told and understood that a Democratic vote would not count. There is no fair way to do this.

By the way, if there were a re-vote, I would vote for Hillary, but there is no fair way to do this that would not put more of a financial burden on our state.

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Unibob — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:03:36 GMT

Hillary is losing. She needs something. Bill once said something about folks who play by the rules. He meant other folks,

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David G — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:01:03 GMT

Bla Bla Bla... Clinton just can't take no for an answer... But soon she will when the DNC and all of the other powerful Dems force her to drop out for the good of the party... Say bye-bye after North Carolina, Hillary... D.

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LadyVoter — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:06:45 GMT

to KikiJ

Show me a link to the official document.

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LadyVoter — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:11:25 GMT

to tephraim: Clinton raised the money to pay for the re-vote in Michigan and reimburse the State of Michigan for the re-vote

to Unibod

There is a court case moving its way to the Supreme Court and it is my gut instinct that the court won't allow an election to be paid for by the State of Michigan and Florida, then voted on and then disallowed and ignored by the DNC. I don't see how the Supreme Court would allow the votes to be thrown out. So that would mean what the Obama supporters and the left wing newmedia that supports Obama, what they say won't matter. I don't see the Court throwing out peoples votes. They had nothing to do with it.

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Jrmapu — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:12:21 GMT

Lets not count Florida and Michigan and here's an idea why don't the delegates be awarded straight up for each state won? Guess who wins? HILLARY. My problem is I don't understand how someone can win less states and still would come out the winner. What stinks is the process of how delegates are bought. With super delegates not far behind. So maybe all you so called democrats need to recalculate the actual totals. When she says she is electable that is not a fairy tale. She won the states with the most delegates to be awarded. Obama has been buying votes. And don't say you don't think so. He outspent her in campaign funds for the elections and the delgates/superdelegate support.

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Jrmapu — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:28:01 GMT

Lets throw another wrench in the mix. There is eleven states that are known to win the electorates: California, Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvannia, Illinois, Georgia, North Carolina. These eleven can win the White House. Hillary won five with a possible 8 total compared to Obama's 2, possibly 3. So who do you think is the most electable? She has proven it time and again. The Presidency will come down to Florida and Michigan. Obama's campaign has just pissed them off. There is a reason she set her sites on those states. The voting turnout was great for democrats.

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Obamawilluniteus — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:12:50 GMT

God love her. Here is a AP article about a month ago in which her own Delegate advisor admits to voting to strip Michigan of its delegates, but now because she needs it the votes should count. Come on Michigan and Florida, do you really think she cares about you. Her own campaigns calls voters from states Obama has won as "Boutique, Latte sipping". Hey thats a great way to unite the country. If she keeps this up she will continue to disenfranchise a whole new young generation, who are actually interested in this country because of OBAMA. They dont want old politics, they want a new voice, read the article for yourself. Play by the rules you agreed by Hillary and save your political career while you can

From the AP 2/16/08

Harold Ickes, a top adviser to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign who voted to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates last year, now is arguing against the very penalty he helped pass.

In a conference call Saturday, the longtime Democratic Party member contended the DNC should reconsider its tough sanctions on the two states, which held early contests in violation of party rules. He said millions of voters in Michigan and Florida would be otherwise disenfranchised — before acknowledging moments later that he had favored the sanctions.

Ickes explained that his different position essentially is due to the different hats he wears as both a DNC member and a Clinton adviser in charge of delegate counting. Clinton won the primary vote in Michigan and Florida, and now she wants those votes to count.

"There's been no change," Ickes said. "I wasn't acting as an agent for Mrs. Clinton. We stripped them of all their delegates in order to prevent campaigns to campaign in those states. ...Those were the rules, and we thought we had an obligation to enforce them."

Clinton won after all the Democratic candidates agreed not to campaign in either states because they violated the party rules. Clinton, who flew into Florida on primary-eve but did not hold a public rally, tried to argue that Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois had violated the pledge by airing a national ad campaign that also showed on Florida television stations.

Ickes' dual positions on the issue illustrates some of the internal division within the party as Clinton and Obama run neck-in-neck in the Democratic presidential race. Civil rights leaders also have been somewhat split on whether seating the Florida and Michigan delegates would unfairly disenfranchise minority voters.

As of Thursday, the delegate count stood at 1,280 for Obama and 1,218 for Clinton. If the DNC were to award Michigan and Florida's 313 delegates based on the vote in their primaries, she would be ahead because she won both states.

On Saturday, Ickes reiterated the campaign's view that new "re-do" votes in Florida and Michigan aren't necessary.

Ickes also expressed confidence that DNC Chairman Howard Dean will work out a solution to Michigan and Florida's stripped delegates and that there will be no delegate fight at the Democratic National Convention in August, predicting that Clinton will have the nomination locked up shortly after primaries and caucuses end on June 7.

"We hope the national chairman will engage the Democratic leadership of both of those states and work out a suitable compromise," Ickes said, stressing that neither the candidates nor the Democratic party will be well-served by a "bitter fight" that lasts into the convention.

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amym2 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:02:48 GMT

Why didn't Clinton take her name off of the ballot, as Biden, Richardson, Edwards and Obama did? It seems like she wanted an easy "win". She certainly got one, but she should not be allowed to benefit from thumbing her nose, at the long standing DNC rules that say that States who go before the Iowa caucuses, shall not be seated at the convention.

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jnindependent — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:47:57 GMT

I find it appauling that someonw would say the blacks wouldn't vote if hilary won and the whites would vote against him if obama won. what a bunch of racist crap. I feel the hussian comment just as stupid. the point that i as michigander only have the michgan officals to hold responcible is correct- as in florida- and neither candidate should get a revote or blame. We need to set them straight and maybe change the system so the whole nation votes the same day already.

the point that most every one is missing is that the electorial college is garbage and that is why no one votes in high numbers. Write to our 14th district rep john connors and see that he aggree's and has tried to get rid of this system in favor of a popular vote where every americans vote counts and no one is over ride by a superanything. This is the only way to assure a accurate vote and people will finally feel they can make a difference and count as much as any and every one else-and actually come out TO vote..

After this year (due to GWB and an immoral war) I will boycott the vote and petition for the electorial college to disolve in favor of the popular vote. (I also hope to see GWB in his orange suit looking under his desk for the constitution and bill of rights when what he has done comes back to him.) Yea to the cities in Vermont? is it that would arrest him and cheany for crimes of war.RE: Iraq .

Leave Mich and Fla out if you must. The few messed up alot. But i won't see the war continue in Iraq whoever gets the nomination. I will also not see my vote not mean a thing for the most part again.

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jnindependent — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:18:35 GMT

P.S I personally would like to see this play out to the end and then have a barilry or hilrac ticket.

Just remember children to be nice and work together- you might grow up to be president (or vice president) someday.

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jnindependent — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:47:52 GMT

P.S.S. Face it , they both have great idea's in different or overlapping area's. After the race is run i would like to see change and unification in a joint ticket for the white house. The best of two worlds. do the math 1 + 1 = -8 years of GWB and administration. That could gain the worlds respect again and we could find Peace in legal and humane ways.

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vitaespasione — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:57:20 GMT

Ok, first off the whole joint ticket thing is ridiculous. Obama and Hillary are too opposite. He represents the new hope for America and she represents everything that has caused it to go wrong. He's in the lead, so its absurd for her to expect him to be her VP, and she's even crazier than i thought if she thinks she can sling mud and still end up his VP. He's paving a higher path and she's leading the easy road; a joint ticket would go against everything he's been running against. I'm one of those Obama supporters who knows the issues and is more than willing to debate them, and I'm not voting for him because he's black, a man, or anything else. And I resent the idea that any voter would make their decision based on such unimportant superficial characteristics.

I currently live in Florida and while the situation is unfavorable, it's deserved. Our governor is the one that took away our voice, not the candidates. Hillary's sudden passion for the "voice of the voters" is only aligned with Obama's constantly increasing lead, that's why Obama would never run a joint ticket with her. These two states decided that they were above the rules and proceeded with actions knowing the consequences. The DNC didn't just make up a punishment on a whim, the states were specifically told DO THIS AND THIS WILL HAPPEN. Not we might do something, not it could cost you, but this WILL happen. They made their decisions based on that knowledge and now want to cry victim and make themselves martyrs? No! That's the problem with Ameritocracy right now, we want to do whatever we want and be untouchable. We tout ourselves as leaders of the free world, well I was always told that leadership is not simply about ability, but taking responsibility. If we cannot accept responsibility for something as "minor" (in comparison) as this, what will happen in the future when we have to take responsibility as a country for something? I don't think Obama likes that these two states votes don't count, but he's accepting the consequence, THAT SHOWS leadership. Will Hillary throw a fit every time she doesn't get the results she wants? (or at least when the results she wants doesn't have the effect she wants). She's trying to turn Obama into an accessory when anyone with any knowledge about the situation would clearly see that the fault lies with the government of the individual states. Giving these states back their votes now would be an affront to democracy. This is NOT a preschool popularity contest. If it were even then the two children who threw fits and jumped ahead of everyone in line would STILL NOT have their vote counted. That's just the way it works, grow up and accept some responsibility!

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misterharban — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:38:15 GMT

LOL at those of us who bemoaned the disenfranchisement of our citizens in 2000 and 2004. I guess openly refusing to allow some of us to vote is more practical and justifiable than surreptitiously miscounting or manipulating the votes once they are cast. After all is said and done the millions of people who have been denied their constitutional right to vote in Michigan and Florida will justifiably ask "who gave you the right to deny us the right to vote?" Oh, thats right, its just the rules. There was a time when the rules didn't allow some among us to ride in the front of the bus. History has judged that the people who made those rules were wrong. History will judge that the people who wrote these rules were wrong.

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carol12 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:42:36 GMT

The state parties of FL amd MI were told their votes wouldnt count if they didnt play by the rules. Hillary herself adcknowledged this. You have heard a lot of people say they didnt vote because they knew their vote wouldnt count. I dont know why these states chose to ignore the rules, but just like any fair game, the rules need to be followed to prevent chaos. The DNC would have no respect if it changed the rules midgame to promote one candidate. Now Hillary is trying to buy votes (isnt this illegal?). She has HER pals helping to raise money for a revote in MI. Looks like she had abandoned FL as it is now useless to her plans. Any new vote would be tainted as it wouldnt represent a proper vote. The dynamics have changed since January when the first vote was done. People in FL have moved (like the NJ and NY people who winter in FL, college students leave school in May, foreclosures have forced people from their addresses, etc). In MI, they want to leave people who voted before. Some of these may have be Independents or Republicans who may have wanted to vote for Obama, Edwards, etc , but they werent on the ballot so they voted for McCain, Romney, etc. because they didnt want Hillary. I can see lawsuits happening for these disinfranchised voters and there should be. This will only cost the Democrats more money. I think the delegates should be evenly split and the delegates seated. As has been happening in other races, there hasnt been a dramatic number of delegates gained or lost in the state races for either side. Wouldnt it be nice if the money raised was donated to better causes like helping New Orleans rebuild, the flood or tornado victims, the people who lost jobs who need healthcare. etc. vs wasting on lawsuits? Rules can be wrong and can be changed, but not in the middle of the game. Any way you look at this issue someone will be disinfrancshised, either the people who voted knowing their vote wouldnt count (and of course are now whining) or those who didnt because they were following the rules in play at the time.

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jetropo — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:35:26 GMT

People please wake up!! If Michigan and Florida delegates are not seated, this will raise very serious problems for both candidates, regardless of what some of you think Hillary initially said,So, those who are democrats better be encouraging these states to have a revote, even some of you strong Obama supporters, it is not good for neither side to not have these delegates seated at the convention. This will surely divide the party in ways that you couldn't imagine now. Some supporters and the media are all on the wrong page looking at this situation from a one sided point of view instead of looking at this problem from a very broad perspective. It is the general election that will elect a President, voters who vote in the primary are not obligated to vote for the candidate that they voted for in the primary. Right now you have very angry Clinton voters , if Michigan and Florida voters are disinfranchised and Obama wins the nomination, you better believe that most of the Clinton supporters will go to John McCain which will split the demorcratic party wide open, this is fact and it will not go away unless these states are settled.

Obama can continue to ignore these states thinking that he has the nomination wrapped up; however, this thing could back fire and blow up in his face at the Democratic National Convention, this will be the likely scenario, like it or not...

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jetropo — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:02:16 GMT

Something I do want to say about Florida, since Florida moved up their primary because they wanted to be a key state for determining the nomination, they still could be a viable part if they get their act together, they still can play an important role even at this late stage; however, if they stick to their decision not to have a revote, then this state will be frowned upon by the nation as a state who does not have a legitmate voting system and the state will not be taken serious in any matter of voting, it will be known as a state who is not organized in their politics. I do want to add that Clinton had a very significant margin of voters who voted for her in the state of Florida, so if these voters are disinfranchised in this primary, those voters could very well go to John McCain in the general election just because race and gender has been injected into this race by both candidates and voters, voters are certainly not immune from race and gender.

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yesyoucan2008 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:17:08 GMT

Florida and Michigan did this to themselves. Let the chips fall where they may. Maybe this is their price (as well as the Democrats) to pay. All the candidates knew the consequences. It's like drinking and driving, everyone knows the consequences if they get caught. I really doubt Florida and Michigan will protest or refuse to vote on the national election. This will hurt only the two states. Florida is already known for being the worst in organizing elections. Looks like they will keep their crown another four years.

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C_Harron — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:23:24 GMT

This article is extremely biased. These claims that Obama will not support a re-vote in Michigan and Florida are ridiculous. In the original vote of Michigan and Florida, Obama had done zero campaigning in either state because the democratic part as well as Hillary Clinton had all agreed to not hold primaries in these states. Whether or not this is the correct decision is irrelevant, because in the end it was the joint decision of these people. Hillary then went against her word, campaigned in both states, and when the primaries were illegitimately held she obviously won in both states. To say that she hold a majority of voters in both states that have had their votes tossed out is an insult. Now that the primaries have been tossed out Hillary has to make face and try and attempt a re-vote. She knows that if they have a re-vote now she will have a severe advantage because Obama has had no chance to campaign in these states. Obama has made terms for a re-vote which include that he be given time to campaign in both states. This really is not realistic or possible with the schedule they are facing in the upcoming months. So, he obviously is not going to support a re-vote in these states, that itself would be unfair, undemocratic, and in itself illegitimate. Newsweek has to stop this Hillary loving BS and start writing articles like they mean something. All I see on the cover of Newsweek is "Hillary Clinton; Hear Her Roar." I would like to see some real reporting for once, or maybe its just that part of those millions Hillary takes from large corporations has been in turn spent to buy positive coverage from News Week. Do we really want another corporate bimbo representing our country, making our world reputation even worse? We need someone that can stand up to these minority parties and support and initiate legislation that will actually benefit the majorityy of Americans. Is this necessarily Obama? No, but a good place to start looking is at how deep the pockets go. The more jingle you hear, the more corruption you'll find making the noise.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

jetropo — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:53:15 GMT

No, either way, Michigan and Florida should have a re-vote, the DNC was wrong to penalize these states in the first place, actually, New Hampshire and South Carolina moved their dates up as well, did they get penalized, NO. Technically speaking, the DNC is responsible for this whole mess. These primaries should be straight forward just like the organized Republicans. Obama supporter can claim fowl play all they want to, it still does not remove the fact that these two states delegates

are not being accounted for to be seated at the convention. And whether Obama's supporters like it or not, if the delegates of these two states are not seated and the voters will of these states are not counted, this will cause major problems in the democratic party which may cost the democrats the election even if die hard Barack fans get their "man" nominated.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

farmerguy — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:57:49 GMT

Didn't Fla. and Mich. understand when the DNC told them the rules if you move your primary? Or is it Clinton's view that the rules need to be changed if they don't help you. Like husband, like wife - and I'm supposed to trust her?

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

MyVote08 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:02:02 GMT

Here is a look into the future and how the Dems can come out of this whole. The time expires to hold revotes in MI and FLA. The DNC says those delegates are not counted. Obama starts to collect Super Delegates as Hillary wins PA and IN. She declares herself a winner, but since she is statiscally eliminated, bows out. Obama becomes the nominee. Both stand together and call for the party to unite and head to the convention. The DNC agrees to seat the delegates from MI and FL. Where's McBush?

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

misterharban — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:34:24 GMT

Listen, the states (Democrat parties?) of Florida and Michigan arguably got what they asked for. But the voters of those states did not ask for this. The political parties did. Whoever you want to most directly blame in the Democrat party, depending on your point of view either state or national, has given the finger to the voters in those states. What a sad state of affairs when we pay more respect to the sensibilities (there's an oxymoron) of the political parties than we do to the citizens who have a right to vote. Whatever the reason, no matter the legalities involved, the Democrats have sent a clear message that they are more concerned about party matters than true representative government. It should not be possible to unilaterally cancel any legal voter's right to vote. Intentionally refusing to include every possible legal voter in an election has always been and will always be an abomination no matter how procedurally correct it may be.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Barbie's Fritzy — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:18:49 GMT

I'm a Michigan resident, and I've been waiting for us to vote.. duh! There was little, if any, press to indicate we voted in January. A revote is POSITIVELY needed here, as I'm sure I'm not the only voter to not have voted in the Primary. And I agree with Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama should back a revote in Michigan as none of us knows at this point who would win the popular vote, and the delegate votes are being dismissed. We live in this country too and we ALL deserve to have a say (by voting) who should be our leader for the United States. In fact, I do believe it is a right we have - voting, that is.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

DCryst — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:03:27 GMT

The Democrat party is being torn apart by all the people who are negative, mean, and slander Hillary. Those of us who find value in each candidate are sickened by the nastiness much of it written by sexist men. Some people never wanted women to have the right to vote and they the wonderful women of yesterdayhad to fight and march and push for the right to vote. Some people need to take a serious look at their sexist attitude toward women and their abilities. Everything was fine when they cooked and cleaned years ago but now, just because a brilliant WOMAN candidate is running an issue based campaign there is a large segment, mostly men and Barack supporters calling her undeserved names, using horrible unfounded generalitie along with mean spirited comments etc. You should all be ashamed of yourself. (I doubt if that's possible.) How dare any candidate be deprived of running in an election by mean spirited people. iT'S NOT ABOUT THE PARTY IT'S ABOUT THE PROCESS.

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re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

cerrulis — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:35:10 GMT

If Michigan and Florida voters wanted to have their vote count, they should have ganged up on their party leaders and demanded that they follow Party rules. Just another instance of people claiming they have no power, and letting those in charge just roll over them.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Kentucky for Hillary — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:58:14 GMT

Oh I know, Obama the uniter who has disenfranchised two million voters so he could steal a presidential election. That really makes him a great uniter doesn’t it? If he truly thought he would win without cheating he would not have gone against the revote of Florida and Michigan the way he did and be proud of it. In an article, Obama met a reporter in a sports bar and the reporter asked him when he would be able to vote for him in Michigan. Obama replied in the GE. Arrogant isn’t he?

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

JoeMcCarthy — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:18:53 GMT

Dear Suzanne "please hide your bias better",

To label Clinton's attempt to get Michigan's vote counted as "finagling a revote in Michigan" only reveals how you yourself voted, since she needs no need to "finagle" that vote. It should instead have simply been granted as should have the Fla. vote. You of the Obamite blind and faithful should try instead to imagine if your man, the New kid on the Block, Ichabod Crane Obama, was denied the access to two states likely in his coumn. I hope he matched your paycheck. Obama "standing in his ground" on what grounds ? I didn't notice your pict, but I can imagine it's coloration.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

rojo7449 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:07:05 GMT

If Obama had anything at all to offer the working class of this country, he wouldn't hesitate to support a revote in these states. He would lose his claim he owns the majority of the popular vote, and that would cause him to lose superdelegate votes who are using that number to make their decision. He has said he would agree to a caucus for only ONE reason. When he loses it won't impact the popular vote. BTW, when is our media going to point out to the people that the popular vote is not realistic. The caucus states don't have a popular vote count.

People need to email the Obama headquarters and demand he give everyone the right to vote in this primary.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

zorro20 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:12:42 GMT

Let me see now, if you break the rules you should be allowed to try again. Hmm. Like Florida Michigan should take their medicine and stop complaining. If they are let do it it gives them the impression they are better or more important than everyone else. It doesn't matter if you support Obama or Hilary the principle is the same but then again what do the Clintons knowabout principles.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

brad b — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:14:16 GMT

Can somebody please explain to me just how Obama is getting away cleanly from the statments made by his preacher of 20 years. Im white, and if I had to attend a sermon with Obama at his church, I would run for my life. The media is simply handing him his ticket to the whitehouse and its a terrible shame.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Macomb Mom — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:15:16 GMT

Obama is definately arrogant. If he really cared about MICHIGAN and FLORIDA he would want a revote. I guess he really knows that he would probably lose both states. For C_Harron, I would like to know when did Hillary campaign in Michigan? Nobody had to take their name off the ballot. Obama and Edwards chose to take their names off. Hillary chose to keep hers on. The only deal was that they would not campaign in the state of Michigan , which they did not. If Obama thought anything about Michigan he would have kept his name on the ballot. Instead, Obama and Edwards were on the news telling anyone that wanted to vote for them to vote uncommitted. So just like George W Bush in the last election, Obama is no different! He has to "disenfranchise" two million voters so he can win the presidential election for 2008. I hope he is proud of himself. I always thought Democrats were better then that!!!!!!!!!!

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Charles_BCCA — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:18:00 GMT

Only in the distorted and deranged mind of Clinton and her supporter, it is now Obama’s fault that both Michigan and Florida went ahead with the elections before they were supposed to and now doesn’t want to do the recount. Clinton cleverly put her name in Michigan when no one had theirs and now wants the results to count. She had previously agreed to the rules and had publicly stated that the votes will mean nothing. Having lost most of states she is behind delegates and votes. She has played, race card against Obama, gender card for herself, fear card, then race card, now the patriotism card, thrown mud at Obama, with many more months to go, she will come with something more dirty, but none will stick, as Obama inspires hope with his message of reconciliation. Hillary is a mean old woman, who like a woman scorned will destroy the Democratic Party. She has no shame, like her husband who went on to sexually use and abuse those he had used and stood by him as he lied and she directly demonised them, including Monica, just a bit older than her own daughter then.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

JoeMcCarthy — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:42:55 GMT

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re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

benznewsweek — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:44:35 GMT

Senator Obama did not disenfranchise the people of Michigan and Florida, their leaders did.Senators Clinton and Obama agreed to the rules laid down by the Democratic Party before the first votes were cast in Iowa. Now that Senator Clinton has fallen behind, she wants to change the rules in the forth quarter of the game. She is not trustworthy. I bellieve she will do anything to win, so long as she wins. Unfortunately, the math is not in her favor. May God bless Senator Obama, may God bless America.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

shocker23 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:48:00 GMT

hillary and obama both agreed to this policy of the votes not counting because of the states breaking party rules. clinton is now loosing she wants the votes counted .( ps. sore loser).

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

coll.env — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:48:07 GMT

Hillary Clinton is for Hillary Clinton !

She has already muddied the waters of the Democratic party and she could care less .

Her main goal is , if she losses she wants to bloody up Sen. Obama where he will lose in Nov. AND THEN SHE WILL RUN AGAIN AGAINST Mccain IN 4 YRS.

TELL ME HOW MUCH THIS LADY CARES FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE DEMPCRATIC PARTY !!

SHE IS ALL ABOUT MONEY , POWER AND BACK ROOM DEALS !!!!.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Tom&Jerry — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:52:36 GMT

If Obama does not agree for a revote in Mich. and Florida...I will not vote for Obama, even though I am a democrat from Oregon. I feel that it's not fear to disinfranchise over two million votes for personal gain.Obama will not be considered trustworthy since he is cheating to get the top job.Surely it's a cowardly and cheap shot from Obama. This should be a prediction of his future stragetic tactics that he may use after getting elected. Remember when Bush made his promises and led us all to believe he was our golden boy? Then he crushed treaties, bombed countries, tosses foreign diplomacy to the birds and gave Americans a bad reputation throughout the world. We need a real leader that keeps his word and has depth of intelligence. I will be voting for McCain if obama stop the revoting in mich and florida,

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Mimi13 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:03:45 GMT

I'm at a loss to understand how the Florida and Michigan situations became Obama's fault. He simply followed the rules. He's said he will follow any rules the DNC and the relevant states agree to in the future. He's said he wants the delegations seated. He can't make the Michigan and Florida legislatures order a new election -- neither one seems at all disposed to do any such a thing. If people think Hillary is such a front-runner in those states, why does she not have the influence to swing the state law-makers to her point of view? Elections are expensive. They are time consuming (I think Michigan, in particular, is now busy with some kind of local election scheduled for this summer that will require its resources). Also in Michigan, Democrats, as well as Republicans and Independents who might have voted for Obama -- if he had left his name on the ballot -- would be ineligible to vote in a re-do of the primary because they crossed-over to vote in the Republican primary. Not really a fair situation for the senator from Illinois. As for Florida -- I'm a Floridian -- we have enough trouble with SCHEDULED elections. Does anyone really think Florida could hold a valid impromptu election -- even if our Republican legislature wanted to authorize one? I'm with Sen. Dodd: Split the delegates. Let Florida and Michigan participate in the convention, vote on the party platform, come up with some sensible rules for the 2012 primaries. But let their ballots for the nomination cancel each other out. Not an elegant solution -- but it is the only one that seems remotely rational and fair at this point. It's time for the Clintons to start thinking about what is good for the Party and good for the Country -- not just what might be good for the CLINTONS!

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Tom&Jerry — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:38:15 GMT

To mimi13

This voting is not just about Obama or Clintin, It's about the people vote, if you don't care about yours, it's your problem, you are an obama suporter and you want him to win, I was on his side until the revoting problem, and wright's, Obama knows him for over 20 years, he claim he did not know about it until it was all over the news, this is BS, he has very good speaches but does not mean any thing any more for any smart American, He is playing Tom & Jerry

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

renderus — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:06:16 GMT

23 March 2008

Obama's ground breaking presidential run has dangers. Precarious times are ahead for America's true leaders? The Clinton Polarization of America by Race, Religion and Gender has consequences. When will Democratic Party Leaders tell Bill and Hillary "enough already"!

Unfortunately our American History has not been kind to our real leaders. What happened to John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr. and Ronald Reagan? Do Americans really have short memories?

The Secret Service must double the protection on all 3 candidates now. Especially Obama. With fear in my heart I saw a photo of Obama seemingly alone running up a flight of steps. As Americans we must do everything we can to protect all 3 of our candidates for President.

Our "fourth branch of government" a free press must be responsible in these perilous times.

We cannot allow this race to be determined by an assassins bullet.

Robert Olson M.D

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

monika_lewynski — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:28:13 GMT

We all know that Hillary Clinton is ready to anything ( even being ridiculous), just to become president.Hillary should learn how to keep her words: she agreed with the Iraq war, by sendind US soldiers to die for a lie ( weapons of mass distruction), but now she's against that war.

she supported NAFTA, and now she's against it.

she agreed that Michigan and Florida vote won't count, and now she suddenly changes her mind

if by miracle, Hillary Clinton wins the presidential election, Bill Clinton will go back to the white house: Will all the women who work in the white house be safe from Bill Clinton's greedyness ??

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

lordmi — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:32:23 GMT

Well. Whem Dem Party made decision about Florida and Michigan - did he agree?

Yes she did.

Before and after elections there what did she say? Florida and Michigan do not matter(by the way, along with all other states , that she could not win).

So, what happen now, that they start to matter?

Clinton's Interests?

Should we all follow Clinton's interests over and over?

And stop saying - it is Obama 's fault.

It is the same as to say: Tornado hurt Georgia because of Obama , and so on, and so on.

We are not Idiots to be manipulated by Clintons.

Those states whant to sit?

They should be given exactly according to the final proportion between candidates: it is easy, reasonable, honest and not expensive.

When You drive on Red, You are getting ticket, not Bonus Check.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Obzervor — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:27 GMT

Thats right! Its all Obama's fault. His fault that his preacher made some controversial remarks, Obama probably created those racially oppressive conditions that spurred the Rev's remarks also. Its Obama's fault that made the US go to war with Iraq, its probably Obama that made up the tale about WMD's. Obama is responsible for Clinton's failure, he is responsible for the disqualification of the Mich & Fl primaries and the futile attempts at a revote. Thats right people! Find the presidential candidate, who happens to be black, and blame him for everything u can. Oh, and then you can pretend to be shocked when the Rev makes remarks like the ones he made.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Jillie — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:08:50 GMT

obamabots know that if the votes are counted, with the next contests coming up, hillary will have more of the popular vote. so, all you democrats should know about losing the delegate count but winning the popular vote. want to do that again? and all this talk about breaking the rules. how about obama running ads in florida? count florida and redo michigan, with private funds. and be done with it.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

rickywahoo — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:30:57 GMT

Democrats you are doing it again making an easy win into close battle with odds on losing. The DNC and the democrat elected leaders are harder on their own members than they are on the thieves, traitors and enemies in the Whitehouse (Cheney, Rove, Bush, Rumsfield and Rice) and traitor democrats like Lieberman. I live in Florida and I didn't vote. I complained to the DNC before the election and figured the other smart Democrats in the country would decide. If the roles were reversed between Hillary and Obama (the overwhelming lead), I really believe Hillary would be taking the stoic stance of; the rules are rules and we need to stand by our agreements before the other primaries were held. Make no mistake Bill Clinton was not only a good President he was a great politician and so is his Hillary. Obama did not cheat and steal votes. He simply agreed before the votes were taken to follow the decision of his party. Now everybody wants him to give up a strong advantage and go back on the deal he made before this race got so close. He and Hillary both agreed to the deal that Florida and Michigan votes would not count. If he becomes President and there is a deal that gives the USA an advantage; I would be very upset if he gave the advantage up just to be fair and do the right thing. Make no mistake Obama is a politician and he wants to win. He has the advantage and he would be foolish to give that advantage away. This is a close race and it is exciting. We are going to have a real convention for the first time in decades. The Republican convention is just a pep rally and a public relations event; while the the Democrats will have a real convention to choose its candidate. Let's play fair and stick with the agreements made and finish this race and may the best fighter win. We don't want another Gore quitter running for President. Remember this is not a constitutional issue; it is a party problem. The Democrat party is picking a nomination for President so we get to make our own rules. Private money and party politics is ruining this country. Let's move on but don't blame one candidate over the other for not counting the Florida and Michigan votes; blame the DNC.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

EMcNeill — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:47:38 GMT

I am confused, the Democratic National Party told Florida and Michigan that if they held the elections when they did, they would not be counted. All of the candidates at that time were aware of this and agreed that the votes would not count. Senator Obama's name was not on the Michigan ballot.

Now, Hillary Clinton, who wantst to be the nominee of the Democratic party is saying that Barak Obama is in the wrong for not pushing for a revote. How does a candidate support a party by totally disregarding it's rules and mandates. Why go to these states and place the blame on the candidates that acknowledged and followed the rules.

It makes me wonder just who Hillary Clinton is really concerned for. SHe knows that this will cause a backlash in the party. She is placing blame so she can benefit. But in the end we (democrats) stand to lose. This has to be fair. None of the candidates sanctioned FL or MI. How can this be any candidate's fault.

It's rally scary to see how far Hillary will go to win. I don't believe for one minute that she would want these votes to be counted if she did not feel they would benefit her. It does not matter to her that she is playing the blame game within the party and causing Democratic stress. The Clinton's believe the American public is stupid and uinlearned. But I want a president who will not tear down but build , who works within the confines of the rules of the party they hope to represent. If Hillary wins fairly, I will vote for her, no question. But if she keeps tearing at the fabrioc of the party, I will vote republican rather than vote for another Clinton regime with half truths and hidden agendas.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

Mimi13 — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:13:39 GMT

I do treasure my vote, Tom&Jerry. And for that reason, I will vote against my state representative who voted to change Florida's primary to Jan. 29. I suggest that all disgruntled Democrats in both Florida and Michigan vote out the legislators who created this mess. I also urge the DNC to fire Howard Dean ASAP for his lack of leadership. But the candidates did not create this mess. Barack Obama has merely played by the rules that were established by the DNC, the rules that all candidates agreed to -- he has stated that he will continue to play by whatever rules the DNC and the involved states come up with. If Sen. Clinton was so concerned about the voters of Florida and Michigan, she should have contested the rules last fall when it would have made a difference. It was only when she started to lose that she became concerned about the voters. In the end, it is not up to the candidates to authorize a new election. That authorization can come only from the state legislatures. And both Michigan and Florida have declined.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

pintamaria — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:52:01 GMT

Well, I live in Florida and am sick of hearing about "rules". I don't give a crap about the DNC rules to be blunt. It is not our fault as voters that the primary was moved up and Florida was stripped of its delegates. I feel the DNC should punish Charlie Crist and the other political officials that decided to move up the primary, but don't punish the 2 million voters in this state who desperately want to be in on this ongoing contest. I feel every single American should have the opportunity to have their votes counted. I am also angry at Barack Obama for not really seeming to care if Floridians get their votes counted. If he wins the nomination without my state being counted, I will not vote for him in the general election.

re: Hillary Makes Her Pitch for a Michigan Revote

newsnote — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:33:13 GMT

I'm surprised nobody has blamed Bush for this. He is the ultimate white male to be blamed for all the ills of the world.

Back to the subject, Hillary thought she wouldn't need FL and MI, that she would pound Obama by Super Tuesday and it would all be over. Now that she needs them, all of a sudden she's running around giving her applause line, I want your vote to count. Typical Clinton BS! Just like the bs that she cares about anyone outside of a big city and its dense population of voters. GO OBAMA!