Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

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sosebee2 — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:00:01 GMT

It would be childish to reject Obama/Clinton? Excuse me? I think you have some gravy on your tie.

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Akujin — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:08:33 GMT

Bravo!

Democrats need to unite and stop bickering. It doesn't matter who wins the nomination when they agree on almost everything except for the detail within the detail.

Picking a president is about issues, not personality.

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shirleeshirlee — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:09:04 GMT

Oh if only this infighting was all the country had to worry about. Lets think about the war, economy, abuse of the insurance industry, abuse of the oil industry all for a neat and tidy profit for a few. It is time the people started screaming very loundly.

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Tappy McWidestance — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:13:32 GMT

If forced to, I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary, As a moderate republican, she is still a better choice than McCain. But I'd rather vote for a Democrat - Barak Obama.

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shirleeshirlee — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:14:51 GMT

If only all the country had to worry about was the democratic debacle. You are right, lets start fighting the republicans. We need to worry about the war, economy, the raping of the citizenship by the insurance industry, pharmaceutical industry, and the oil industry should be first on the agenda of the entire nation. Citizens, start screaming very loudly.

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Thevail — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:17:48 GMT

Obama and Clinton have a nearly identical voting record. They are both pretty much liberal democrats. You'll notice they weren't busy hating each other before they were working together in the senate and not running against each other.

Democrats are a massively diverse group of many races, religions and even income ranges. And unlike our more conservative brethren in the Republican Party, we're really passionate about our candidates. But we need to be a little more like a big rowdy family that fights and hoots and hollers and in the end closes ranks against things we don't believe in, and a lot less like a mob that tears down our own house because someone we don't like is in it.

Yes, we do need to grow up, and I'm sure most of us will, once we've got our nominee. Until then, we're still hooting and hollering. Go Obama in '08!!

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ikie12pts — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:20:49 GMT

Hillary and Barack should take heed and stop the sniping and name-calling. It's ridiculous and makes our party look like a bunch of "nuts". Don't they realize that the Democratic party is the victim here and neither of them will win with this attitude. The Republicans will hold on to the government for another four years, maybe more. How selfish can these candidates be?

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sergeantbob — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:21:26 GMT

Principles before personalities?

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lbrillante — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:31:12 GMT

I think you are undercutting just how unethical I find the Clintons. I don't think you understand that when I say I won't vote for Hillary it is because I could not and remian in integrity with myself. I would feel responsble to my personal extent for putting her in office and for what she may do. I personally won't do it. I don't trust the Clintons with our country. I dont want what John McCain has to offer but I am not going to 'sell my soul to the devil' in order to prevent that. I am VERY VERY concerned by the unethical actions of the Clintons. It is not a temper tantrum... it's a real deal for me. I have been an activist for a long time. I have never voted republican...I would not vote for John McCain either. But if I have another option I'll take it or I won't vote.

Gratefully I still have hope that Senator Obama will be our nominee. I trust him. I don't expect him to be perfect. I do expect him to do his best to live up to his ideals. I believe he has demonstrated good judgement and strong leadership skills. I happen to believe that he has the potential of being one of the greatest leaders of our time. So, yes... I wold feel very sad to lose that opportunity. But my vote would not be about a grudge... it would be what it always has been... my conscience. I don't believe Hillary can deliver on the things she promises. I don't trust her association with right wing republicans through the religious order 'The Family' she belongs to. It is secretive, meets in cells, is about amassing power.... I want to know more about it... otherwise it leaves huge questions in my mind.

I believe Senator Obama will do everything in his power to deliver on his promises.

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samson30 — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:35:40 GMT

First, this new "poll" interviewed only 700 people and discloses that african-americans were over-represented. A "poll" can indicate anything you want it to. NBC conducted this poll. What does that tell you? Look at credible polls like Gallop. But moreover, the MEDIA provided the fuel for the Democratic in-fighting. The ridiculous and biased "news" reports is what gets the public so outraged. A few months back we were so proud, stating that either a woman or a black man would be the next president. How about neither? Once again we have blown it and are going to hand the victory to the Republicans. I'm starting to think the Democrats don't deserve the White House.

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webmutant — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:45:57 GMT

I don't think losers will switch parties, but they might drop out. I can't in good conscious vote for a candidate who favors censorship, and that is why Clinton will never get my vote.

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spiritedbrunette — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:50:49 GMT

I would vote for McCain before I would vote for Obama. I think of the two he is the one most dishonest. I watched him in an interview when he was running for the senate seat in Illinois and Charles Gibson asked him if he was running for Senate just so he could run for the Presidency in 08 and he said absolutely not. That he had no interest in running for President and wanted to just serve the people of Illinois. That was a lie. It took him 11 months to announce his running. And he has continued to lie...about Resko, about Rev Wright and about wanting to change, when the fact is he has his operatives out there slinging mud every day and touts that he is clean. Give me a break. He has planned this for years that is the reason for his books which got out in the public all the "little" annoyances that would come up to bite him. He isn't fully vetted yet and if he continues to cry through his cronies everytime someone says anything he'll be in big trouble when the Republicans get ahold of him. I was once told when you are up against a great con man you might as well just sit back and relax because you will never know until it is too late. This I fear is true of this man. He speaks of words and then says Rev Wright is still wonderful implying his words meant nothing. Just doesnt' mix. And the masses of people follow him just they see other people do it. Mass hysteria....wonder what they will think when they finally come out of the fog. Hope its not too late.

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ghostu — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:51:49 GMT

i agree completely with ilbrillante. the clintons are a very real threat to this country. the win at any costs attitude, the sloppiness with the truth, the lies and lack of coherent beliefs imperil this country as much as any terrorist could. this is worse than a knife fight in a phone booth. the country doesnt need them, i dont want them, and the fairy tale is their misguided and illusory belief that they actually are relevant. she is angry, bill is bitter, and i am sick of both of them. i would not vote in this election if she is the democratic nominee because i know she is bad for america and worse for the world.

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Change_Is_Good — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:53:12 GMT

Most primary races are personal and spiteful because the candidates basically support the same party platform. The media is quick to say that Obama is the most liberal Senator but then, in the same breath, they also say that Clinton and Obama have voted the same way 97% of the time. Go figure.

I'm voting in the General for CHANGE. Clinton brings the least because she has already been in the White House 8 years. (Don't believe this?... just ask Hillary). McCain is 2nd best for change as he has been in Washington forever... but never in the White House. Obama is the best change agent because he is the newest and least closed-minded.

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jlynne — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:55:44 GMT

In the immortal words of Reverend Wright, god dam the democratic party. This isn't a battle for the presidency this is a battle for what it means to be a democrat. If the democrats were concerned with the presidency, Hillary was the preordained candidate and was practically guaranteed a win. The well-oiled Republican machine wasn't even gearing up for a fight--heck, he can't even come up with the money to run a campaign when he favors keeping the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and additional tax cuts for corporations.

This battle has been between young people in college and older people nearing retirement. This battle has been between separatist blacks and hispanics and white women. This isn't about the issues this country is facing. This is about having a voice.

Obama supporters say we are young, we have good ideas, we know how to make the world a better place. Hillary supporters say you wouldn't have the opportunities that you have now if it wasn't for us you thankless upstarts. 20% of Barack Supporters and 30% of Hillary supporters have said identity matters more than campaign issues. They are both running at about 50% of the vote ... so that means that about 50% of democrats are dissatisfied with the party.

This isn't about the election anymore--not by a longshot. If McCain were elected President today that would still not stop the fighting. I don't know if Obama opened the wounds or just excaberated them but the damage has been done and there is no easy fix.

Every day I come closer to saying if this is what it means to be a democrat then I don't want to be one. Just like Obama chose to associate with Reverend Wright, I chose to associate with the democratic party. I am now calling that choice into question. McCain is the easy first step to trying to move the Republicans to the center instead of the Democrats to the center. If they will listen and the democrats won't, even if I don't agree with their policies I will support their party/

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olderwiser — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:56:52 GMT

Democracy is the messiest way to get a government, which always turns out to me messy after you get it, and after a while when we see what a mess was made by the one that you voted for, you just can't wait for the next opportunity to try to get a neat one. Maybe we ought to elect a king or a dictator and just forget about it. Just one big permanent founding father or mother.

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spiro — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:09:18 GMT

i have voted for a Democrat for president in every election since 1968. -- and I am a Southern white male. The Republican Supreme Court stole my vote in 2000 and Howard Dean will not let me, a Florida Democrat, have a say in selecting our nominee. Obama can't unite the party. How in Hades is he going to unite the country? Given his inexperience and unwillingness to disown a hate monger, Obama has united my family, which consists of Republicans and Democrats: We all agree he isn't up to the job. Although I am for Hillary, this is not to say that she is the ideal candidate -- but at least she can ride her bike into the Oval Office without training wheels. I get tired of hearing that party leaders do not want to upset the African-American community if Obama maintains his small lead in elected delegates. They had better start worrying about white males or kiss national elections goodbye. This is not time for affirmative action.

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calico — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:14:12 GMT

Hillary is a LIAR "from day one". There is NOTHING she hasn't LIED about. There is NOTHING she WON'T LIE about. She is EXPERIENCED at LYING.

LYING was the guidepost of the ENTIRE CLINTON ERA. Who needs it?

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donbl — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:14:47 GMT

This is significant as the early polls show the country to be just as divided as the last two presidential elections. Therefore, even a 10% defection would be catastrophic.

Also, on "young" exuberant voters? As many politicians will say, they won't show up on election day and they will break your heart.

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Change_Is_Good — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:16:04 GMT

Hey Olderwiser, messy is good. Our founding fathers intentionally made the process messy just for the very reason you mention. A king or dictator? That would be too easy, too clean.

The Dem's have to be petty... they all generally support the same issue positions. If they didn't get personal, they wouldn't have anything to talk about!?

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calico — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:16:41 GMT

Hillary and Bill used their "training wheels" in the oval office on Monica. Hillary and her "fellowship" cult is another religious LIE she continues to HIDE.

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olderwiser — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:17:14 GMT

But, when you think about it, we actually elected a president in 2000, but instead of the president that we elected we got the son of a former president who delegated his authority to his vice president who may not really be a dictator, but it is odd, though, how he walks like a dictator, looks like a dictator, quacks like a dictator and talks like a dictator. I like candidates who express themselves well. We would have been very lucky to have had Winston Churchill after England got through with him. They really needed him to carry them body and soul through the strife of the war. I would have loved to hear him say things for us, too. I like the way Obama expresses himself, too. I have watched our present president try to express himself and he has had so much trouble doing so that I have shouted helpful words at the TV, but he never gets it. His best hours have been spent side by side with Tony Blair. Tony waits courteously for GW to finish butchering some idea that only he had a chance to understand, and then Tony would translate for us. Hillary is just too gripy. I would love to have the medical coverage, but when I think of her griping at some poor old head of state standing side by side in some foreign country, I'd just as soon go to the emergency room and take my chances. We just need Obama to be our spokesman, our mouthpiece, and we will all have a good chance to come up to the level that he is certain to raise us. Oh, it'll be the usual "democracy mess", but we'll get that anyway, no matter who wins.

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cogitohopper — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:18:24 GMT

I have started listening to the conference calls put out to the reporters every day on POTUS ( XM130) If you haven't heard these they are a real treat. After hearing Tuesday's it became very clear to me that if the Obama campaign represents youth, the Clinton campaign represents childishness. What we are seeing is the pain of the party growing up.

I have been active in the party and elections since Carter, and for the first time I am seeing a fundamental movement in the party. What I see coming form Obama is not a desire to reach out and react to the diversity of the party, but to approach the world, our country, and it's problems with everyone in mind. Instead of looking for the 50% that can get him what he wants, he is looking for solutions that benefit the 80% that can come together in a compromise.

His ability to think this way and his followers ability to understand it does represent a "growing up" of the party. The problem is the 20% that is the inner circle of the Clinton supporters are using hate and fear to try and keep it a 50/50 slit. The problem is they are reacting an issue and situation at a time, and not looking at a vision for the entire party. If you had heard that call on Tuesday, you would have heard this in action. From FL and Mich, to religion, to party rules, all they care about is finding an angle to get a majority for each situation, not a vision to create a movement to move the party and country forward, This will get us nowhere ina legislature that require 60% for real change.

The reason this hurts so much is because we are growing up, and as in all cases we still have racist parents and uncles in the family. Even if they aren't, they are too set in their ways to understand what they say and do may be perceived that way. The difference between Obama and Clinton is he understand that you can't condemn someone you disagree with if you don't know why they disagree with you. If you do you are no better than them.

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pinkpanther87413 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:24:23 GMT

Hate scabs in a winning spot just cause we are to childish to stay within our own party and you question Obamas conviction of his name and church and clinton to be a clinton!

OLDERWISER it's spelled dicktator and your right,

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MrHegemony — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:26:44 GMT

Amen/

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Ogre Mage — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:43:33 GMT

A joint ticket is the best and easiest way to stop the party from snapping in two. Supporter of either candidate are extremely foolish if they think Clinton or Obama can withstand a large defection from the voters of the other in a general election.

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Change_Is_Good — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:43:53 GMT

Please let me correct a comment by SPIRO:

The reason that the Florida primary didn't count is NOT the fault of the Democratic Party or Howard Dean. If you are going to blame someone... put the blame where it belongs. The Florida Republican legislature was warned numerious times, very strong warnings, not to move the primary. The Florida legislature was repeatedly told that the primary would not be considered valid if they didn't follow the same rules as the other States. (48 States followed the rules)

Want to get even? Throw out your Republican dominated state legislature in the next election.

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olderwiser — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:45:23 GMT

I guess that a president makes a living best with clear expression and an openness that causes the electorate to feel good about whatever government does. We haven't seen that in years. The clarity of speech of such a person and the openness gives confidence to the citizenry and shows that a well organized mind is at work. We have had for the past seven years a paucity of expression from our elected leader and a tendency to hide most everything out of an apparent fear that we would not like to see how this governmental sausage was being made, so to speak. The only place left in this campaign season where these qualities of openness and clarity of speech can be found is on the Democratic side. The platforms between the two are practically the same, but only one of them has this high quality that I seek. I sure hope that we get that one in the office. Pick your own and vote your best, and good luck.

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valadezaj — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:54:35 GMT

The democratic party rules are the dumbest I've ever seen. They should all be PRIMARIES folks! Caucusing - meaning you have to vote in the open - is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. What happened to a secret vote free from pressure? And Florida being punished is INSANE who cares when the primaries are? Everyone's votes should count. PERIOD. And then we have superdelegates who can overturn all the votes anyway. What a crock! Who were the brain dead monkeys that invented these rules anyway? I will now be an independant and hope for a third party. I am TIRED of this poor excuse for a party!

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mjane1939 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:55:39 GMT

Obama can't play the race card both ways: he's tried. I support Hillary and I WILL vote for MCain if Obama is nominated. The Democrata cannot get it done. Even though I have supported Democtas through thick and thin I will not support Obama. Obama stands for Obama and I don't see much there. Funny, I grew up in the northeast and was college-educated there in a liberal Cattholic college, but I can never support an Obama candicacy. Who is he and why should he be President? Won't happen and I don't much like Republican policy.

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thehammer — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:55:50 GMT

Let’s talk about Hillary's described landing in Bosnia noting that "she had to run for cover from sniper fire". Unfortunately for her, the whole thing was caught on video. Far from being under fire, she got a diplomat’s welcome...complete with an 8 year old girl reading her a poem. Not a sniper anywhere, just your standard welcoming ceremony. Maybe that little girl had a "poem bomb".

When confronted with the video evidence, she said, "I misspoke".

What the (fill in the blank)! She couldn't remember whether or not bullets were flying around her? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see myself getting confused in that situation.

Uhhhhhhhh...where I come from we call that "tellin' a whopper"!

On it's own it would be bad enough, but when you consider the pattern of both Clintons with regard to telling the truth (or lack thereof), you have to wonder about everything she and Bill say especially in light of the events of the day. The Clintons are stalling on turning over their tax records and we’re not privy to the redacted sections (numerous) of her records from her time as first lady. That’s before you even consider having Bill "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton back in the mix. Pass!

So what are we left with...

McCain?

God bless him and all that he has sacrificed, but I don't think so...too old, too eager to keep us in Iraq for 100 years (I’m not kidding. That's what he said.) And mark my words, if Mr. McCain becomes president we will be at war with Iran in a short matter of time. Plus the guy, by his own admission, knows squat about the economy.

Obama?

Nice guy and his speeches are awe inspiring. I like him, but does he really have what it takes to straighten out the post- Bush mess? I sure hope so, because now Obama is our only hope.

Which leaves me wondering....why are people so resistant to recognizing the obvious?

It seems like the best way not to get elected is to be the smartest, most qualified, most honest guy running for office.

Just ask Ron Paul.

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UNCRich — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:06:42 GMT

I think that "The Economist" said it best when they described Hillary Clinton....

"She has an uncomfortable relationship with the truth."

Brilliant...

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Walking God's Earth — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:07:31 GMT

I'm fiscally conservative,socially liberal, but anti drivers licenses for illegals. The Republican party abandoned it's principles when they went all Keynesian, didn't fix the AMT and the religious right and neocons got control. If Obama wins the democratic nomination I'll have to work out if I can afford to vote for someone who will lift the cap on social security payments and make it harder for me to keep a roof over my kids heads or if I dare vote for someone who might send my nephews and son into a war with Iran. Come back George Bush I and Bill Clinton (with a Republican Congress) all is forgiven.

For those of you that say John Mcain won't invade Iran - I remember thinking The President wouldn't really go to war unless Sadam doesn't let the inspector's back in....The President must have access to information on WMD in Iraq they can't make public because of the risk to the sources... etc. Now the straight talker is strangely quiet on Iran and I'm left trying to work out what that means...calming the rhetoric or not wanting to tell the American people something they wouldn't want to vote for and something he won't lie about??

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jdona — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:09:41 GMT

There is another option. I support Hillary Clinton, and myself and other supporters will write her name in as a write in candidate. I won't have to vote for McCain, and I won't have to vote for Obama. We will vote our concience, and our preference. Maybe you should do a poll on that?

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raremare — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:21:01 GMT

I'm one of those Dem. who is willing to cut off my nose to spite my face. When this race first started, I was extatic with the candidates that were running. And, although Obama wasn't my first or even second choice, when it came down to just two, I had no reservations in supporting him. When I went to our states caucus, while I spoke in support of Obama, I also made the statement that I was sure that who ever the nominee was, he or she would have the full support of everyone. At that time I truly believed that we were a untied party, And so we were until Hillary found that she had underestimated Sen. Obamas messaage and appeal. When it became clear that Sen. Obama was leading in delegate votes, states won and popular votes and would in all likelyhood take the nomination, she pulled out the "kitchen sink" strategy. This strategy consisted of throwing as much "Mud" as they could at Sen. Obama to see what would stick. The whole idea was to divide and conquer. If this seems familiar, it should. It's right out of the Karl Rove playbook on how to win an elelction at any cost. And now the question I have to answer is - Can I really support someone who will stoop to the same abhorrent and vitriolic tactic that have torn this country apart for the last 8 years ? Is this the kind of person I want representing me to the rest of the world? And after much soul searching, the answer is NO, So while I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain, I will not vote for Clinton. If she is the nominee, I will work to see that the congress is in the hands of a super majority of Democrats and hope against hope that they will limit the damage either Clinton or McCain will do as Pres.

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sharkman — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:32:00 GMT

Duck Hillary your under sniper fire. Ha!Ha! What a joke. What a great Commander in Chief she will be. Especially in her own mind. Anyone who would vote for such a lying piece of dukie. I see where her husband Bill Gets all his honesty from. It's home grown straight from the Bronx. Any liberal pukes who vote for these lying poor excuse for an American,traiters will get what they deserve. Drama with all the lies to go with it. just what this country needs.

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alicia hicks — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:38:44 GMT

Indeed, democrats need to stop critisizing each other, and PLEASE do not vote Republican, a lot of the hate toward democratic candidates is to keep democrats fighting. There are a lot of people who want the Republican candidate to win and to ensure that it is in their best interest to keep democrats divided. Vote Nader instead of Republican, I wish we could all forget Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Obama and vote Nader to teach some interest group not to mess with our vote I personally think is worth the sacrifice.

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KenC — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:41:15 GMT

I support Obama, but am willing to vote for Hillary if she wins in pledged delegates. Or if we find out that Obama actually is a shell for the brain of Richard Nixon, preserved and implanted a la Young Frankenstein. Seriously, if the Democratic Party can't accept a challenge candidate winning its primary, then I don't want any part of it. I have supported the Mondales, Clintons, Gores et al in the past, when they won the nomination, I can't see why the rank and file can't support this great candidate ( no flies on this one ) when he wins.

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PAlib1981 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:53:15 GMT

For all of those Dems planning to vote Republican if thier candidate wins. Please!--this is WAY TOO IMPORTANT of an election to let that happen. I know there are many strong supporters of Clinton and many strong supporters of Obama but you can NOT throw your party out the window so you can throw a hissyfit b/c your candidate didn't win the nomination! I REALLY REALLY hope that these statistics are bs and are a result of a tight (kinda.) race between two highly skilled opponents. It has certainly created some animosity between each candidates' supporters but I mean COME ON--if we are not able to stand up and prevent a third George Bush term then what can we really do? If you have to hold your nose this November, do it for the Democratic candidate whom you opposed perhaps--but to vote Republican this time and put McAint' into office.....you might as well change your official party registration because that really makes you as bad as they are and I hope you will be able to look at your children someday (or now) and explain to THEM that you endangered their future because you were busy pouting that your horse didn't win its race.

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5interiors5 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:53:52 GMT

Read the comment by spirited brunette. The original lie by Obama shows exactly who he is. He came into the senate only as a stepping stone to the presidency not to serve Illinois. So he lied to the people of Illinois and before that he was being groomed for the senate not serving in the Illinois senate. He is not interested in the citizens but only in Obama. The media built him up and tore Hillary down. Are you going to decide the presidency or permit the media to chose for you? People in these comments blame Hillary for her husband's actions. Those of us who are old enough to know the history of the Kennedys know that they were womanizers but Bill Clinton was the only president punished for those sins. That should have no bearing on Hillary's bid for the presidency. She should have been given the same acceptance as Jackie Kennedy. The only difference in the two was that Hillary was interest in making a difference for the people of the United States. In these trying times, even if you prefer Obama, he has no real experience. The only experience for the presidency is being president, In lieu of that, you cannot disregard that after 8 years of exposure Hillary knows more about the workings in the white house even if she had no offical title. There are too many unanswered questions about Obama to trust him to be president at this time. We do not have only two choices in our vote for president. I was disturbed at possibly voting for McCain until I realized that I could write in Hillary for president as another poster suggested. Maybe that might be the subject for a poll.

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Walking God's Earth — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:57:09 GMT

cogitohopper,

You think Obama can unite 80% of the country??? Interesting - your 80/20 split reminded me of something I read on the National Union of Taxpayers site which shows the % of income taxes paid by the top what % of earners. http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6 Lookslike the top 20% of earners pay about 80% of the taxes. Does that mean that the 80% of the country you think he can unite is the part paying so little tax they think expanding "entitlements" is a good idea?

Saw Cspan's showing of congress grilling some guy from the budgeting office responsible for forcasting spending, defecits etc. I heard him say something about current projections if nothing is done by 2010 then without big cuts in entitlement programs (as they are today) the Govt bonds might lose their AAA status. I cringe when I hear people on TV talking about the financial "meltdown" of recent weeks - I hope they're mistakenly thinking of meltdown as in global warming and ice because the "meltdown" in a nuclear analogy is the bit just before the whole lot blows up!!

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FJR in LA — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:10:21 GMT

Sorry to add to the disharmony here; but these are the facts:

Since Clinton lost among women to Obama in IOWA; she and her husband decided the only way to win was to raise Obama's negatives and they started it in fact in response to polling even before the Iowa Caucuses. Remember John Edwards' debate quote: "I don't remember any of this stuff coming from Hillary when she was 20 points up."

Then she lost more and she got worse. It appears a decision was made started tomanifest itself the week after the Texas debate when she went schizo in R.I.ahead of March 4th. The Clintons have since campaigned for McCain and morphed into a DEM INSURGENCY against Obama and the entire party apparatus. This is manifested in their all-out attack on the rules, MI-FL flip-flopping, and then Judas-destruction of Bill Richardson that he is probably still traumatized by.

The Clinton insurgency appears to be in I-told-you-so mode, seeking an Obama defeat in the General. If not, the Clinton Insurgency will continue from the Senate. She will join Lieberman and McCann and seek to block anything that may reflect positively on President Obama in search of the nomination in 2012 against a failed 1-term incumbent. She has not accepted the reality of her flawed candidacy. A 3rd Clinton Term was always a longer shot than a 3rd Bush term, even if she was the presumptive nominee. There was always the rest of the country, most of which believes her husband disgraced the Office and would do anything to keep him from getting near it again.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

coonbug — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:10:55 GMT

Even 5% would hurt the Democrats right now since McCain is running neck and neck with either candidate.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Christina112211 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:15:37 GMT

You are asking the Democrats to grow up? How about asking the media to report the truth on the candidates? We haven't heard you report a peep about Larry SInclair who allegedly had gay sex and share drugs with Obama in 1999 as he represented Illinois. I guess that is not a story.

Larry is now calling out asking others to come forward if they had encounters with Obama such as his allegations. How many people must come forward before you decide that the people deserve to know this? How far must his attorney push this in court before you give this story its due?

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/barack-obama-calling-on-all-persons-sexually-involved-with-obama-to-step-forward/

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

mdenhof — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:32:36 GMT

It seems clear that Ms. Clinton doesn’t understand the difference between being a fighter (in the good sense) and being relentless in the face of daunting statistical odds against her. If she were the only one who had something to lose (by continuing her run for the nomination), many of us could be more forgiving. But she's risking the Democratic Party's reputation, risking the hard-earned funds donated by many Americans, and she's apparently more than willing to smear an impressive competitor through reprehensible tactics, and when it is unnecessarily to use such tactics. Whatever happened to running on one’s merits?

Obama has returned fire at times, but it seems to me he would have taken the highest road all of this time had Hillary not forced him to defend himself aggressively or lose the race.

I'm also very disappointed in the superdelegates who continue to stand on the fence. We don’t have this luxury, as it is now clear (in the polls) that continued infighting among the Democrats is elevating McCain rapidly. Continued fence walking is also putting the Democratic Party at great risk, in light of the possibility that the superdelegates could potentially override Obama's leads in states won, pledged delegates won, and majority popular vote. If that were to happen, the Democratic Party might well fall apart permanently. There would certainly be a revolt like none ever seen before. I expect many Democrats would abandon the party or disengage from political involvement altogether.

If you are reading this and you are set to vote in the coming PA contest, please seriously consider the real world impact of your vote (as opposed to just voting for your favorite candidate). It would be irresponsible to ignore the mathematics of the current situation. Independent experts have concluded with certainty that Hillary cannot catch up to Obama in pledged delegates. This is a mathematical certainty. The odds of her catching up to Obama in terms of the popular vote is not zero, but it is close to that. Hillary cannot possibly catch up in states won either. We need to be smart or we will end up with another 4 to 8 years of Bush-like government. America desperately needs to send a message to the world community that the Bush presidency is behind us and rejected by us. Obama is, by far, in the best position to accomplish this.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Perception — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:34:48 GMT

I would normally agree with this article but I work in an industry that does very well with a republican president, not so well with a democrat. I am a 63 white male who has always voted democratic because I feel like they are better for people in need than republicans are. I just feel it is better for the country. My friends in the industry think I am crazy anyway. However, I leaned toward Hillary because no matter what people say about her she (as far as I can tell) has spent her life trying to help people worse off than she is. When Obama's aide told the Canadian's that he didn't mean what he said about NAFTA I blew it off. When Obama's aide told the British that he didn't mean what he said about Iraq I gave him the benefit of a doubt. I will not give him a pass over this Reverend Wright fiasco. He first said he had never heard those things from him. I believe that is a lie. He certainly let his children hear it. My father was an attorney who was active in the civil rights movement. I have always supported it. I did not realize the hatred went so deep. If my pastor talked that way about anyone or anyone's race I would have left before he finished speaking. Now Obama says that we need a national dialogue about race. He may need it but I have had all of the dialogue I am going to have. From what I have seen he is a fine, intelligent man with a fine family. However, I do not believe someone could listen to that over a period of time and represent all of the people. I do not fault Pastor Wright. I am sure he is a fine man too and probably has enough scars to make his attitude understandable. His life, like all of ours, should be and will be judged in its entirety. However, he is not running for president. It is a matter of judgement. How can a man who has accomplished so much in the country allow his children to hear that and what must they think. If he is the nominee I will vote my economic interests for the first but probably not the last. It may be juvenile but there it is.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

mdenhof — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:09 GMT

TO: Christina112211 (who poste don March 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM)

Your post is shameful and irresponsible. Larry Sinclair is an incarcerated criminal. Its already been established that he couldnt possibly have met Obama when and where he said he did.

Christina: How would you like people to advertise a false story about you having gay sex with someone you've never met (and who is actually a prison inmate).

Grow up!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Fed Up In Texas — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:37:02 GMT

Somebody please get this message to Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Dan Abrams!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so fed up with the antics of the Clinton campaign at this point. Hillary and Bill seem bent on destroying the Democratic Party simply because there is no way she can win. All of the experts have counted, analyzed and agonized over the changes in position ("flip-flop") Hillary has taken. Count them with me;

1. First she was in agreement that Florida & Michigan would not count and signed an agreement stating just that. Now she blames Obama because she can't have it both ways.

2. The she said votes don't decide elections, delegates do.

3. Now she says delegates don't decide elections, the electoral college does.

4. She sent Bill out to play the race card in South Carolina and then acted surprised when the media called her on it.

5. She cried in Iowa. Presidents don't cry. It is a sign of weakness we cannot afford in a Commander-in -Chief. What will she do when Chavez and Ahmadinejad insult her?

6. She takes Obama to task about his church. Apparently the media likes running the Obama pastor ad because they never question why Hillary doesn't have a "church home" to disagree with a pastor.

7. She actually had the gall to question Obama after he released the last seven years of his tax returns. She hasn't released her last seven years tax returns or Whitewater documents, or Rose Law firm documents or Vince Foster, Travelgate or any documents related to all the scandals associated with the Clintons.

8. She was caught "dead to right" in a bold faced lie about Bosnia and attempted to criticize Obama after the media found video proving she lied.

9. She claims she has experience at being President. Could it be she actually ran the Whitehouse while Bill was cavorting with interns?

10. Was the 3:00 a.m. phone call Hillary made looking for Bill?

I could go on and on but let me state in the most vehement terms possible if Obama is screwed out of the nomination because of the dirty, lowdown and misleading lies, trickery and deceit of the Clintons, not only will I not vote in November, I will campaign to convince as many others as I can that we are taken for granted by the Democrats and if people decide they must vote, then vote for McCain. We cannot trust the Democrats if they allow this crap to end in Obama's not being the nominee after all he has done to earn it.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Christina112211 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:44:21 GMT

to mdenhof:

This goes to show that, if indeed the Larry Sinclaor allegations are true (which I believe are), Obama's judgement and integrity come into question today more than ever! Just look at the people he has surrounded himself around over the last twenty years...Ayes, Rezko, Wright, etc. He doesn't act like a "stand up" guy. He seems to be very comfortable with the secret and powerful life of a politician!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

df mat — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:58:18 GMT

It would be difficult to eliminate racism or sexism in this primary race. The disagreements are certainly not over issues! Clinton has lost most of the black vote and white women are uncomfortable with the flaws she is beginning to shown- at least this 74 year old white woman has!!

Obama deserves the support of his party. Clinton appears to have a party of her own- discusting.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

clikdawg — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:59:24 GMT

The Dems have bigger problems than incipient cry-baby-ism. Once it begins to dawn on Joe Average that The Great Mortgage Bail-Out Clinton and Obama seem to be pushing is NOT primarily getting dead-beats who bought too much house without reading the fine print off the hook, but is aimed at making sure the mortgage and banking industries who issued those "unscrupulous" mortgages to begin with get paid (courtesy of you and me) whether the mortgagees pony up or not, well ... Joe Average ain't gonna be what you might called pleased.

This is not old-time Democratic "fighting the special interests" -- it is playing collection agent for them at the nation's expense. If those mortgages are illegal, the place to rectify the matter is in the courts and at the mortgage companies' expense. If they are legal -- however fraught with "sharp practice" -- those who signed should pay the piper. Not you and me. We owe no one a house beyond their means.

On top of Clinton/Obama's support for the Fed-busting Wall Street bail-out last week, the Dems look less and less like The Party of the People, and more and more like the sort of special interest apologists we usually associate with (dare I say it?) Republicans ... and with McCain taking the hands-off line Joe Average can be expected to favor in the long run, that spells Big Trouble in November.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

MARGARET FL — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:59:33 GMT

I don't particularly want John MCain for President as I am a Democrat. However, I will not vote for Barack Obama so I guess if am one of those percentages. I may not vote for McCain but I will just ignore the For President.

I will say that I refuse to be backed into a corner by the Obama supporters who are vulgar and pretty ignorant as far as I am concerned. It's not all about Obama, although I I believe that he is not presidential material., but it more about his supporters. Oh well...it is what it is. A losing campaign.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

pinkpanther87413 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:59:43 GMT

Well the good news is 4 out of 5 Republicans don't care if Obama makes the nationals and just will not vote, but 4 out of 5 will go vote McCain if Clinton gets in so! Go Obama! Party first, scabs suck!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

aerial — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:03:15 GMT

Andrew, the devil is in the details. Clinton is much more middle of the road than Obama. It is no wonder that her supporters would go to McCain. Obama is too liberal and the recent brou-ha-ha over Wright's comments will not sit well with patriotic middle-of-the-roaders.This would not have happened if the Democratic party had had the fortitude to vet Obama from the start, instead of allowing the media to slowly tarnish his halo.

Florida and Michigan will have to be included,now.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Yurdelite — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:04:50 GMT

Posted By: Fed Up In Texas (March 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM)

Somebody please get this message to Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Dan Abrams!!!!!!!!!!!

You can send your message to:

hardball@msnbc.com

letters@msnbc.com

verdict@msnbc.com

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Eugene23 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:08:09 GMT

The recent polls showing match up results between Clinton and McCain and Obama and McCain are rediculous. Here's why. As soon as the democratic nominee is determined the polls will completely change. All the tv commentators know this, they've been here before. But it's apparently all they have debate about... you know, they have to have somethng to yell about. I'm sure their jobs depend on their voices reaching a certain decibel within fifteen seconds!! Check out Buchanan's falsetto. But, the good news is that one can read a good book and not miss a thing!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

kmcflash — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:55:28 GMT

Obama CANNOT win the general election.He was in a rush to go to the head of the line,and in doing so, he split the party just as the party had a clear road into the white house. The general election, state by state is winner-take-all, no proportionment. Add in Ohio,New York,California,

Pennsylvania, and others as not in the Obama camp,and you may come to realize that if it was fun while it lasted the very real life after the general election will get your attention.

Look, if Clinton were to say "I have attended KKK meetings not for 20 years, not for 17 years, but for just one year, and while I strongly disassociate much of the meetings messages I have heard

from a man whom has become a close personal and spiritual friend, the Grand Dragon, I can tell

you t5 hatwhen that hood comes off,he is a community sparkplug, a doer,he takes orphins on hikes and fills sand bags for flooding communities, so I see no problem here" .. would you buy it ? would

you apply the same standard to Clinton as you are so willing to apply to Obama ? OBAMA

DOES NOT WANT TO BE VETTED, HIS ONLY REAL MESSAGE IS "JUST BELIEVE."

You can just believe and follow along, and in doing so, what is accomplished ? Obama loses, so you lose, then why look back and say "what happened?" You happened,thats what. Why insist on

putting in a candidate just for the sake of doing so ... isn't winning the Presidency the real goal

for the party ?

I call on Obama to help broker the nomination for Clinton, who can win and can do so with Obama's help. If Obama had better advisors, he would come to know that he would be better off to

possition himself as a king maker, get better-based experience, become absolutely relevant as

he positions himself for a run at the Presidency that a grateful party,party-wide, would

champion on his and the party's behalf... when the time is right. IF clinton were to drop out and support Obama, Obama cannot take the general election, If Clinton were to become the party candidate,she could win, and most likely would win. So, not as a purely a personal choice, but as

a practical choice, the only real way into the white house is Clinton. For Obama to stay in the race, he cannot take the Presidency, he will have had his shot and will then become less relevant

in the future. Mr.Obama: be smart, stay relevant, facilitate (not block) the opportunity to "de-Bush"

...your turn will come IF you do not choose to have a few months of glory for now, with such glory

culminating as "loser" you lose,the party loses ... the worse legacy of all: the squandering of

the great opportunity that is now obtainable...you cannot win now, but you can make wise choices now so that the partry wins now, and you win for yourself and he party later ...or... you, and your advocates can have the sad opportunity to say "gee, now what, now that I think about it, the heat of the moment didn't car, what 'snext for me, for the party,formy supporters ?".Mr Obama, for the party's sake, for your future's sake, call a meeting of delegates and the DNC and help assemble a winning ticket for the generl election. Then prep yourself for your time,your genuine opportunity.

(If you could win, I would not call for you to step aside and participate... but you cannot win ..

so why make a run at losing ?)

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Justdontgetit — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:30:52 GMT

I find this whole affair laughable. Obama the Uniter? Hillary the only electable one? The fact is neither of these people went into politics because they thought they could do the greatest good for the greatest number. They have calculated every move throughout their lives to consolidate power.

Do you honestly think Hillary was siting there saying "Bill I am Really hurt that you would do that with that girl but I love you and I want to support you through this."? Do you really think Obama never heard The Reverend Wright say the things he did or that outing the woman who raised him as a Racist was for any purpose but political gain? Do you really feel that either of these candidates who have spent the last 2 years kowtowing to every extremist group within the Democratic Party is going to be looking out for you once they get elected?

Come on, if you want to get what you believe in then push your issues. Let the left wing extremists throw their temper tantrums and lets get down to the business of making America Great.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Yurdelite — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:50:50 GMT

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steve_br_080326_msnbc_opens_the_door.htm

Clinton is more right wing than we know. Why did she decide to speak out about Obama's former pastor to a right wing newspaper owned by the man who tried to take her down?

The Fellowship -- right wingers she is associated with.

Forget Wright. That is nothing compared to what Bill and Hillary are hiding in their donor lists and income tax returns. Don't think all that money they made for themselves, Bill's library and Bill's charity do not come with strings attached. Vetted -- that is all they have on Obama is his pastors remarks taken out of context from a couple of sermons. Nevermind that the man has been preaching for 30 years and was good enough to be invited to the White House to support Bill Clinton during his darkest days of impeachment. Nevermind that he honorable served his country in the Marines during segregation. I want ONE white person to tell me they can imagine how it feels to be discriminated against when you are serving your own country but you cannot sleep in the same room as a White person or use the same facilities. Think about it White folks and tell me you would do that. Stop maligning the Reverend he is an honorable man who was good enough to help take care of LBJ in the hospital.

Since when did a Democratic candidate have to answer for their pastor or their religious beliefs? All these new rules because we have a Black man running for president. I hope the other minorities see what White folks are putting Obama through. Guess what Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, Koreans, Japanese all you born and bred in America minorities this is what the White folks will put you through if you dare to think you can run this country. Hell, you cannot even get into the Senate. There is ONE Black person in the Senate--Barack Obama. There are numerous White women but there is not one minority woman--name one.

Bill Richardson was smart enough to know that if he or any other minority ever wanted to be president they had better help Barack Obama pave the way. Although, this society will probably not change until the Boomers have moved on. Whether you like it or not this society is becoming more and more mixed every day. Maybe there is hope for this country...someday.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

tephraim — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:16:05 GMT

Hillary Clinton has lost this contest despite trying to change the rules at ever turn to cause a change in the outcome. The people have spoken and we have had enough.

She lost in the popular vote.

She lost in pledged delegates.

If these numbers were reversed, Mr; Obama would have been run out of town.

The rules were set before the primaries began and her deficit is too much to overcome.

She is her own worst enemy and with each day that passes, her public image becomes more tarnished.

They are attempting to steal what they failed to earn, the Democratic nomination. The great people of the U.S. will not stand for this.

Stand for something or fall for anything.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Emanuel — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:50 GMT

America's IQ is inversely correlated with Hillary's approval rating.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

cnn357 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:14:40 GMT

Bravo - Someone had to say this. I switched from Hillary to Obama because of the negativity. And I am starting to dislike her, but I dont plan on defecting.

I think part of the problem is that Mccain is a reespectable figure who seems honest and who follows his convictions. That makes it much easier to vote for him than a Democrat who has been put through the ringer by another extreamly popular Democrat

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

furrlessgerbil — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:28:31 GMT

It is a difference of issues. Hillary wishes to force every single American to get healthcare, won't give an answer to how she will fix social security (bipartisan commissions do not count as an answer to any political problem), and will not promise to push for nationwide ex-felon voting rights.

I will not be voting for bomb Iran John McCain in november, but I also will not be voting for Clinton either.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

kshortSD — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:14:27 GMT

What a shame. A few short months ago, Democrats were thrilled with the fact that we had two strong candidates, and cheerfully debated their minor policy differences. I even recall thinking, "Wow, no matter who wins, I'll be happy!" How quickly things have changed! I understand that Hillary is a "fighter" and could not just concede if there was a chance in a million that she could pull it off. But look where it has gotten us! We are still weeks, if not months, away from determining a candidate, and irreparable damage has been done to BOTH candidates, and John McCain's polling numbers against both Dem candidates are improving daily. Enough garbage has been unearthed about both Clinton and Obama that supporters on both sides are ready to defect to McCain if their favorite doesn't win. I fear that the DNC has missed their opportunity to cut this short and we will find ourselves holding our breaths until the convention, and watching John McCain take the prize.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

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re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

lamm01 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:32:09 GMT

I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton and if she is not the nominee, I as well as many others will vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee. Many of us have no confidence in Obama's beliefs, lack of experience and quite frankly, we're questioning his judgement.

As for those who continually insult or bash Senator Clinton for her dishonesty and ethics, I think that they should look at little more closely at Senator Obama's background. To date, he has lied about his associations with the slumlord in Chicago presently under indictment, Reverend Wright and others. You shouldn't be casting stones unless you are blameless or untouched. Senator Obama is neither.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

John Hirsch — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:42:48 GMT

You are forgetting that most democrats and independents dont think as one big bloc like the Republican Christians. Even if Barack wins, you couldnt force them to vote Barack, simply just because he is the candidate. And HERE's the fact. Barack wins caucuses because the meddling Republicans can join Democratic caucuses. The fact that Hillary wins big primaries means that if the election is for democrats only and no meddling Republicans, Hillary will win.

I am Catholic, if Barack wins, Id go for catholic McCain. THIS IS why PELOSI wants Barack to win. BECAUSE PELOSI wants catholic MCCAIN. We shouldnt trust PELOSI, she has another agenda for America, probably to stop the hunt of Catholic priest pedophiles.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

dunnhaupt — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:44:53 GMT

I think Bill looks Hillarious and Hillary looks Billious in their hopeless attempts to persuade voters with imaginary fibs about her "experience", while losing primaries and caucuses by the dozen. Even moving Bill's office to Harlem didn't convince the Blacks. No wonder Hillary's money suppliers are getting mad, having poured millions into her campaign and getting no return on their investment from her.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

moogleydog — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:15:35 GMT

MEMO TO THE MEDIA: GROW UP!

Its not the candidates; its the media. The media is that kid on the playground trying to aggravate two kids into fighting. The media makes its money off of drama and tragedy. So every little ridiculous f*cking thing has to be rehashed to death.

The media stirs it up and tries to sway everybody to make for more excitement. If you focus on the issues and don't focus on bullsh*t, we won't focus on it and neither iwll hte candidates.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

maryrat — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:45:24 GMT

moogleydog....says it right!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Yvaughn — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:21:10 GMT

Hopefully you're right, and the majority of Democrats will get behind either candidate--IF that candidate is fairly elected. If Obama wins, it will not have been through any manipulation of the system... he did not in fact argue against revotes in Florida and Michigan, and he is not asking any delegates to reverse their decisions. Clinton is the one whose only hope lies in suberting both the democratic and the Democratic system, and therein lies the problem with supposedly even comparisons.

Or IS there a difference between protesting a person vs. protesting an unfair election?

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

mrockefeller11 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:05:20 GMT

I am a white male, and If Obama does not get the nomination, I will cross over and vote for a 3rd term for Bush by voting for McBush. I know this is childish, and agree, but I have no stomach for electing Bill and Hillary after all their lies, dirty politics, spin, and gutter politics. McCain is trustwortht honest, and would do good to make Hucklebee his VP.

Obama 08

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Older_White_Male_Obama_Supporter — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:32:53 GMT

A new tack for Hillary: more of my supporters would vote for McCain, so I should be the nominee? It just shows me that those people who still support her at this point are in need of some mental adustment.

Watch for Hitlery to break off and run as an independent just to screw Obama's chances if she doesn't get the nomination.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

kshortSD — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:36:03 GMT

I'm with mrockefeller11. Completely.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

es3196 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:47:36 GMT

I believe Obama's pastor is the one who comes closest to being a Hitler. The reason Hillary supporters will have a hard time with sticking with Obama is we feel the media slanted everything against her from the outset. Anything she did or said was turned into a negative light by Chris Matthews and his gang of Obama supporters. When she won New Hampshire, it was because we were a bunch of racists-- you know the "Bradley affect". Tired of the race card. The Obama camp has played it from the onset by claiming race baiting from the Clintons. I think we all know now which camp's supporters are the racists. We just don't feel she was given a neutral chance. She is extremely intelligent and has worked for the party for over 35 years, but no respect was paid her. Too bad.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

kshortSD — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:48:50 GMT

To Older White Male Obama Supporter -

I think Hillary is already trying to ruin Obama's chances. If she can't be president, then neither can he!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

tephraim — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:51:12 GMT

Hillary supporters, help her lose with the little dignity that she has left.

Are you going to support her being so selfish that she is willing to sacrifice the party if she can't win?

She could still be an important figure in the party, but that opportunity is vanishing with each passing day.

We have spoken.........it is time for Hillary and company to listen. Obama is the presidential nominee for the Democratic Party for 2008. Let's move on.

If she must win at all cost, you still have time to run as an independent.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Shadoe01 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:42:10 GMT

Last time I checked Obama did not and would not be able to win the votes needed to be the nominee. So instead why does he not step down because he will not be president even if he wins the nomination. There are so many democrats who will not vote for him that he will never get the vote. And just a short note, counting Florida votes and the votes in Michigan, Hillary has more of the popular vote than Obama so you can speak all you want but we are not inclined to listen. Most of us will never vote for a man who allowed his children to sit in church and listen to all that hate that came out of his "uncle's" mouth. It gives me the creeps to think that he would ever be able to bring that racist into the White House which belongs to the American people who he hates.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

glimps — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:54:46 GMT

those who make "Obama" creditable for rev. wright's comments are silly..... LET me tell you how. catholics who sit and worship a church ... some preist molest kids.... those who stay in that church dont agree....( I HOPE)..... but they still support that church, religion... just not the priest who is an molester..... what is the diff? please explain to me?? by the way they are FOLLOWERS OF A CHRISTEN CHURCH!!!!!!!!! someone please tell; or explain in detail why what HIS pastor has said is reflected to him????? someone please explain why this is a BIG DEAL????? what church doesent have problems?????? SOMEONE please explain why is this a harmfull endeavour for Obama? his rev. has issues obviously.... i need some clearity...........

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

tephraim — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:09:42 GMT

Count again.

Michigan and Florida are not counting because of their respective STATE LEGISLATURES. Please check your facts. I live in Michigan and this is a state issue that neither candidate has any control over, so please stop that madness. Our state broke the rules and we have been punished. We are not outraged because we understood this BEFORE the primary took place in January. Our state legislature did not bring a re-vote to the floor because they knew that it would not pass.....again, nothing to do with Clinton or Obama.

The last time I counted, Obama had......

More popular vote

More pledged delegates

More states

It is time to FACE FACTS and move on.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

coolrepublica — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:35:18 GMT

Earth to writer America is still a democracy. Candates still has to define themselves to be elected. I don't get everyone want everything to be bland. Th election should go on until every states has had a chance to vote. I know that if HIllary was ahead in delegates Obama would want the same to happen. But now he can't wait for things to stop right now. What's is the rush?

Democratic leaders seem to think that if Hillary was to drop out, those of us who can't stand Obama would magicly start liking him. It's not going to happen. I don't like Obama not because I like Clinton. I don't like Obama because I don't like Obama. What's Hillary got to do with it? I will never know. The 28% of people who say they won't vote for him if HIllary is not on the ticket feel the same way. I don't expect his supporters who have been vicious to start loving her if she gets the nomination, and they should not expect me to vote for him if he does.

Choice # 1

Hillary

McCain

I know it's hard for Obamaniacs to believe, but not everybody is falling over themselves when Obama open his mouth.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Jack3213 — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:50:56 GMT

PEOPLE ARE FINALLY WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET ALOT MORE FOR THE BUCK WITH A MODERATE REPUBLICAN THAN HAVING TO PAY ALOT FOR VERY LITTLE WITH A DUMB DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL? YOU THINK YOU PAY HIGH TAXES NOW, AND SHOULD YOU WANT TO PAY MORE- VOTE FOR THE NON CREDIBLE WOMAN OR THE PHONEY BLACK MAN.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

tephraim — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:20:16 GMT

Considering what a great job the Republicans have done so far, let's sign up for more.

Yeah, right.

When the vote are all counted, I hope that you will be satisfied.

I cried when Bush stole the election, but I did accept it.

It is time that you accept the fact that after the remaining states have casts their votes, Obama will still be ahead. With or without your support, Obama will win the general election.

If you are a true democrat, or a thinking independent or republican, we wish to have your support. If you choose not to support our party, we respect your right not to do so, but we will prevail.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

timrogers — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:56:09 GMT

Like Peter Pan, the Democrats refuse to grow up. This divisive campaign featuring the most divisive political couple in history against a black candidate who cannot escape the divisive racism so inveterate among large numbers of voters ( who are reminded of racial issues by said divisive couple at every opportunity) can only lead to the division of the Democratic party into sore losers on one side or the other. I have listened to political analysts who claim all will be forgiven, the party will rally around the eventual winner, and the goal of beating the Republicans will outweigh everything said and done during the campaign. I disagree. I know it is usually foolish to say ' this time is different' , but I will say it anyway. The voters who dislike the Clintons' or who dislike Obama are ready to crossover if their candidate loses. They are already aligned with many Republican voters who would prefer McCain to Obama because he is white. Or who prefer McCain to Mrs. Clinton because they hate the Clintons'. This time there will be no reconciliation of, no unity for and no success by the Democrats. They won't grow up because they will grow apart.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

KennyF — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:55:06 GMT

I absolutively agree. Besides the media's role, there are plenty of "advisors" and "supporters" that are acting not out of the sense of what is good for the country or progressive ideals (something thaall blacks and most women have an vested interest in), but for their own personal/historical greivances. Grow up is right! Instead of egging the candidates on the higher levels of sniping and "outrage" to feed their personal sense of vindication, show us you are supporters worthy of the name. Set aside the "its all about me" attitude. Start building bridges now! I would have thoght that a real economic recovery plan would be more important that vindicating the personal of women irritated by a male rivals success. I would think that expanded and funde education opportunities in a tech-heavy global economy would matter to blacks more than stoking racial resentments and slights to "prove a point". At this rate, all you will prove that the partisan on either side lack the maturity and leadership to be a part on any Administration. When that happens, votes will draw the same conclusions about Hillary and Obama in the fall as well.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Jack3213 — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:19:04 GMT

ALL THE MUDSLINGING IS JUST A REFLECTION OF THE CHARACTER THAT EACH DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE REPRESENTS. NO MATER HOW YOU SUGAR COAT IT, OR APOLOGIZE FOR MIS-SPEAKING, OR OVER STATE QUALIFICATIONS, IT WOULD BE DISGRCEFUL FOR EITHER OF THESE TWO DEMOCRATIC CHOICES TO WIN, THEY ARE A POOR DEPICTION OF A LEADER.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Cantabrigian — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:24:30 GMT

The options of John McCain or novice Barak Obama will prove to be the downfall of the Democratic Party. Americans will not elect Barak Hussein Obama to be the President of the United States. On the other hand, the Democratic Party will lose their core membership who watched in horror when Pastor Wright shouted his white racist sermons and accused the American government of inventing Aids to kill African Americans! The anti-American sentiments of Mrs. Obama, the poor judgment of Barak Obama, and the hostile environment of vicious attacks against the Clintons by Axelrod and Obama will not be forgotten. Obama ought to withdraw from this campaign because his behaviors are destroying the Democratic Party and all chances for a Democratic win.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

orion12 — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:47:01 GMT

Andrew Romano asks people to grow up. Well he is right and that is the problem with people; democrats or republicans. They are not grown up...

As far as I am concerned some people just do not like Obama because he is a black man. They will never vote for him, they will see everything he does wrong and they are burning inside that he is doing so well. It is these people who I consider so childish. Let us look at how they think.

How can they blame Obama for what his pastor said? Why should he leave his church. Catholics do not leave their church where priests are having sex with children. What has Obama done wrong? I tell you; he is black and he is winning and his detractors will dump all the dirt that they can on him to make him look bad. This is very dishonest and hypocritical.

Then there is the subject of Clinton's and Obama's supporters defecting just to spite the other candidate that gets the nomination. Well if this is because they honestly feel that McCain is a better person, I have no problem with that. But if it is to spite, that is very silly.

I do not believe that blacks will not vote for Clinton because she is white. Hey, they have been voting for a white candidate since they were allowed to vote. But in the case of Obama, not voting for him because he does not have to right color is what shows the level of imaturity of some people.

However, as we can see there are some diehards who will do anything and say anything to have Obama off the race. But they will be disappointed because America has woken up. Race is gradually being overcome in the interest of progress. We see it in this Obama, Clinton race. I hope that Obama wins all the way to the White House. It will be good for America. It will show that many americans do not judge people based on the color of his/her skin. In the final analysis, jews, whites, blacks, latinos, women, men, will all have no choice to stop this backward game of blindly aligning with their own "kind".

Obama's theme is very profound. He is pushing for change; doing things differently. This implies thinking differently and clearly. He is on the right track and those who are sensible, irrespective of their sex, race, religious affiliation, will acknowledge his message and start to downplay differences. Without such respect for one another the status quo will be maintaned and America, which wants to lead the world will only continue to be laughed at when it talks of equality.

So let us stop being "childish" and reflect a bit more on real issues. This call also goes to the media, which also uses their freedom of expression to project their own childish, sexist and racist views.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Miande — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:30:15 GMT

Very well: get the Clinton campaign to cease spewing venom. And to stop critcizing the Obama campaign when it responds to calumny. And the national news media might do a better job of just criticism in place of smug put-downs.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Miande — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:57:17 GMT

Someone who got out of college four years ago is telling adults to "grow up"?

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

IndependentThinker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:17:43 GMT

I wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ if he were running on the Republican ticket after what this idiot President has done.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

authenticity — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:17:48 GMT

kid-

the relevance of those poll numbers of "defectors" choosing a candidate have more to do with picking a person to be the executive in charge of the greatest nation on earth. not which "cool group" we need to be seen hanging with. Trun off your hip new apple, go outside and live a real life in the real world as an independent thinker. Then come back with your "audacity to act grown up" speech.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

authenticity — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:22:50 GMT

addendum to last post-

the reference to being an "independent thinker" carries with it absolutely no endorsement of the opinions of the poster boy for idiocy who nicknamed himself an "IndependentThinker",

Misnomer if there ever was one.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

susangg — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:19:22 GMT

outside of that (hopefully) small percentage of Democrats who are so blinded by racism and/or sexism that they would shoot themselves in the head by voting for another 4 years of Republican war, deficit spending, attacks on the Constitution, and corruption, I don't think that many Democrats would be so moronic as to vote for McCain because their choice - whether Obama or Clinton - did not win the primary. I don't like Hillary Clinton precisely because her voting record is too Republican for my tastes. I don't like her support for the war, for militaristic foreign policies in Latin America, for eveyr military boondoggle her defense contractor contributors ever wanted, for attacks on our civil liberties and for supporting the bankers' idea of "bankruptcy reform." But I will not hesitate to vote for her in the general election if she becomes the nominee and would not consider doing anything else.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

peterbbultman — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:32:31 GMT

Liberals are braindead idiots. Bring back Wallace: www.goodoleboybumperstickers.com

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Mattsecure — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:12:12 GMT

I'd just like to say that the earlier post by "kmcflash" was one of the most thoughtful and dead on pieces I've seen on this election. I don't know if I fully agree that Obama can't get elected, but I certainly agree that much of America will be reluctant to vote a person of such meager accomplishment into the White House. Add this to those who just won't be able to get past the race issue and it's going to be a lot tougher than most of his supporters think.

I'm from Chicago, like Obama and always have. While he possesses now many of the qualities that one day could make a great president, I had hoped that he would use his time in the Senate to prove that he really could bring change and could make a difference in peoples lives. To generally produce something on his resume to counter the charge that he's just another super ambitious, smooth talking politician without any real substantive accomplishments.

Alas, this is not the path he chose and regardless of their devotion to their candidate the Obama people will indeed have to live with having deprived America with the historic opportunity of our first woman president. Obama, on the other hand, will have twenty or so more years to satisfy his ambitions.

So much for bringing people together.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Vote4Prosperity — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:52:36 GMT

Its not about growing up..Its about neither of the candidates have enough to win!! and the Obama bullies are out there trying to buly Hillary-Shame on them..And there stands Obama like the child that throws the rocks and hides his hands.. So hypocritically saying Hillary should stay on all the time sending his bullies out to get her. The media is the worse the give obama a free pass they cover up all his lies so that they can keep the media blindsighted like little lambs. Here are some of Obama's lies...He willl bring change al WRIGHT!

the following are obama's lies-read and share. no one should be blindsighted!

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.

54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.

55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.

56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.

57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.

58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”

59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS - You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!

60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning - LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.

61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.

62.) I am very Anti-Terror - LIAR. [03/30/2008] One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS - Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren’t there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.

63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

64) I played greater role in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion - LIAR - [03/31/2008] It was found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer. Read Obama had greater role on liberal survey

65) I did NOT play the race card: - LIAR - [03/31/2008] Obama was the first to play the race card. According to Phialdelphia Inquirer, Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the “black” candidate. Read more here

66) I did not take money from oil companies: - LIAR - [03/31/2008]

THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians. Corporations, however, do have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take money from lobbyists.

But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center’s totals.

Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Source: Associated press via Yahoo News

This is the LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES. Updated to reflect new dishonesties.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Vote4Prosperity — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:06:41 GMT

I can't believe now the media is wasting time with the Clintons taxes wanting to know more about the the library, what about the other prez libraries, what about Mccains tax returns and Obama we all know is chinsey..But getting back to the real issue... aren't we tired of this BS that the media puts out there..they are soooo bias agains Hillary..No mater what these people do there is no win!Shame on the Media, Shame on the media no matter what anyone that has worked for Hillary or aquaintence the media says so ans so said this how bad is this for the clintons! NEVER SAYING THIS ABOUT OBAMA WHO SUPPORTS AN ANTI-AMERICAN WHO VOMITED WORDS OF HATRED TOWARDS AMERICA..WHAT A FARCE THE MEDIA HAS BECOME,

NEVER MIND WE ARE IN A FALLING ECONOMY, PEOPLE ARE LOOSING THIER JOBS, HOMES OUR CHILDREN, BROTHERS, SISTERS, FATHERS, MOTHER ARE DYING IN THE WAR AND THE MEDIA IS FOCUSING ON TAX RETURNS..SHAME ON THE MEDIA. NEVER MIND THAT WE MAY BE ENTERING A RECESSION THAT THE PRICE OF GAS IS SO HIGH THAT IT'S A BURDON ON PEOPLE, BUT THE MEDIA FOCUS' ON HOW CAN WE GET THE CLINTONS.

NEVER MIND NOW THAT THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH WILL NO LONGER EXCIST FOR NO MATER WHAT WE SAY IT WILL BE MISINTERPRETED IF IT IS SAID BY A WHITE MAN REGARDING A BLACK MAN EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING SIMPLE..BELIEVE ME IT WILL BE MISINTERPRETED. OBAMA HAS BROUGHT US BACK 40 YEARS..I WORK WITH MANY PEOPLE OF ALL RACES AND MANY SAY THEY NOW HAVE TO WATCH WHAT THEY SAY WHEN FOR YEARS THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE SAME PEOPLE, BUT SOMEHOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. OBAMA HAS BROUGHT US BACK 40 YEAR AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. OBAMA WILL BRING US DESPAIR!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Wanjala — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:19:24 GMT

Vote4Prosperity;

I am a Kenyan and it amazes me how how you call Obama aliar while you have no facts and exposing narrow, biased, unbalanced and out right lie with the so called annalysis. Yes you're wrong on point 2 to 6. Baraka is a Swahili word meaning blessing. On violent and elections in Kenya you guys need to do some research and reading to understand the genesis and reason for it. I doubt if the rest of the points are worth the space they are enumerated on.

On Pastor Wright comments, give Obama a break; It is amazing how narrow and stupid grown up pple can be to judge somebody by their religion or the comment of their Pastors. The world is becoming flat and Americans need to grow up, their ignorance of the world to say the list is appalling.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Scubafiend — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:22:47 GMT

My disenchantment with the Democratic party has much deeper roots than my disgust with the vile trash I see on the part of Obama's supporters on most blogs. It started years ago but got a BIG shot in the arm when my vote didn't count because our primary (Florida) was moved up. Now, ironically, the DNC wants to penalize those states with LATE primaries. I'm over Howard Dean's monkeying around to get his favored candidate nominated - and yes, I will vote outside the party line if necessary. However it is more likely I will just do a write in vote. The chance of a change of party affiliation to Independent is pretty good at this point. I'm just waiting to see what travesty of a solution Dean finally ends up with.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

scherry — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:27:27 GMT

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS OR IS DEFECTED TO ALLOW BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA TO BE A CANIDATE WHOSE PASTOR HATES WHITES, JEWS AND ANYONE WHO IS NOT BLACK WHOSE WIFE JUST NOW FOUND A REASON TO BE PROUD OF AMERICA OBAMA WHO IS STILL SEEKING HIS PATRIOTISM. THE MEDIA SHOULD GROW-UP YOUR PROPAGANDA "THE SAVIOR OBAMA" IS HANDING OVER THE WHITE HOUSE TO THE REPUBLICANS. GEORGE BUSH SAID HERE TAKE IT. IF ONLY THEY COULD FIND A WAY TO WIN . " BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA" THANK YOU. LOVE , THE REPUBLICANS P.S." ALL MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE" I HAVE VOTED DEMOCRAT I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Gorgegirl — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:57:13 GMT

I am a life-long Democrat, but I can not vote for a race-baiter like Barak Obama. I see him as he truly is. The media has basically given him a free ride by not revealing his lies. He told voters in Iowa that he had passed a Nuclear Bill that would immediately notify anyone if there was a leak of nuclear waste into the drinking wells of nearby residents. A BIG LIE. He introduced a nuclear bill but after it was watered down by the Republicans, the regulators and most of all by the nuclear company itself, Exelon Corp, it was dead on arrival. Then, he accepted a $227,000 check from Exelon Corp. This is how he represents the people of Illinois. And this is just one example of this race-baiters lies. But the unfortunate thing is that NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and ABC have decided that he is their choice for president and they are doing everything in their power to make sure he gets the nomination by putting out only positive stories. How in the world did the word "fairytale" become a racist word????? It did because Obama decided it was racist and the media just nodded their heads. Here's a word to the media - your last little darlin' is in the white house. He has taken us into a war we shouldn't be in, he has taken us into debt and I can't wait for him to leave. Don't you think it time you allowed the American people to choose a president without your help? If Obama wins the nomination, I will have no alternate but to vote for McCain or stay home.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

char12 — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:05:21 GMT

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xhJnXl4kIA

Please watch this video. It will make you laugh and start off your

week-end great. The FOX NEWS MEN have never looked so good!!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Mr. Ferrario — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:04:42 GMT

Up your "POTUS."

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

Mr. Ferrario — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:06:37 GMT

Send my mesage; it can't be that hard!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

lauraschneider — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:16:50 GMT

You grow up.

The media has not done its job, which is to vet Obama thoroughly. They've been too busy genuflecting ever time someone mentions his name. He has gotten a cakewalk so far, and Clinton's attacks have been considerably more tactful and on point than the Republican smear machine will be.

Obama's not ready. The longer the campaign goes on, the more gaffs he makes, the more that comes out about his past that raises concern.

The problem with the "bitter" speech was not the religion and guns thing, it was the "they have antipathy for those who do not look like them," meaning they are racist. Put this in the context of his life -- remember his remarks about hos his grandmother was racist "like most whites"?

The false narrative that somehow poor Obama isn't part of the upper class now, with both his and his wife's law degrees from ivy league colleges taking up space on some wall somewhere in the multimillion dollar house that his mentor and supporter Rezko helped him buy (you know, the guy that's on trial right now), the tax returns showing they are millionaires, and the fact that they were actually able to earn enough money to pay off their student loans is ridiculous.

He is an elitist. His wife, Michelle, in the most condescending of statements, said shw was proud of her country FOR THE FIRST TIME.

The Obama campaign whines about racism every time the Hillary campaign or the few media that are at least attempting to be unbiased criticize something he does. It's not wearing well. All the more reason that Hillary should not quit. Who knows what other revealing words he might "inartfully" choose to express his true feelings. Who knows what the Rezko trial will dig up. And there's always to good Reverend Wright. I can guarantee you that someone in the Republican party has purchased or dug up every taped sermon the man ever gave.

His contempt for the voters in Florida and Michigan will not serve him well, either. I would like to point out that he has not won any of the large, traditionally Democratic states that we will need to win in the fall. Many of the states that run up his "states won count" are red states that will not help us in November. Ignoring the Electoral College map is foolish. That's when it really counts.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

1999jag — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:05:25 GMT

IT'S 3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING (RING) (RING) (RING)

DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE?

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE MY HUSBAND IS!

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

rickywahoo — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:12:33 GMT

It will calm down by general election. Not one of these voter would support Obama or Hillary and then vote for McCain. If they can do that what do they really want and maybe that's why we had 8 years of the boy king and his evil prime minister.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

patattn2me — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:35:22 GMT

It would not be that I would support John McCain in the general election that would be the reason for my vote. The real reason would be the disrespect for the black voters to win the nomination with popular votes and elected delegates and have that decision reversed by the super delegates. . Each candidate's surogates have said in numerous interviews that a win by one vote is a victory. Now Hilliary supporters want to say that the numbers should not count and momentum should be the measure. When Barrack won 11 states in a row where was that argument? It seems to me that everytime the situation changes, the argument changes; ie: Michigan and Florida= october view vs february view. The old addage ' It's a womans perogative to change her mind' does not apply in the world of high stakes politics. Remember how she was cut off of national TV when she would not congradulate Barrack on his win in South Carolina. She sure enough was ready to accept his concession speech for Pennsylvania. This double standard for behavior and views needs to be noted and denounced.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

patattn2me — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:33 GMT

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

patattn2me — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:01:13 GMT

To lauraschneider; Your comments were well noted and some obvious things were not noted. If Barrack has not been vetted, the Clinton slime machine is slacking on the job. We both know they would have dug up anything and added their slant to it if there was anything to dig up. Republicans want Hilliary to be slected over the will of the voters because running against her would be beneficial to them. She owes corporate america, she will apoint lobbist to key positions, and she will sellout to anyone for the job. Republican crossovers do not contribute to democratic campaignes and thats why she is having money problems. According to the votes she and Barrack are close but when it comes to money she is lacking. Does that tell you something? Speaking of being selected for victory when you don't win the votes or delegates being O.K. , How did you like that BUSH VS. GORE decision in Florida 2000? You're suggesting the same thing now.

re: Memo to Democrats: Grow Up

wgoin — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:09:34 GMT

to lauraschneider: Obama has been vetted far more than Clinton. The constant attacks against him because of what his pastor spouts are ridiculous and yet, he has had to answer for them. The "bitter" comment was blown all out of proportion by Clinton and her group. Any one with half a brain knew exactly what he was saying.

However, Clinton's "mispeak" about Bosnia which was nothing less than a bare faced lie was given short life. Excuse me but, if I had EVER been under sniper fire I would certainly have remembered it. And, since she had NEVER been under sniper fire her utterances were nothing short of lies.

She has waffled on each and every thing she has said. Being a woman, I had hoped for a strong, smart woman with integrity as a presidential candidate. But, in Hillary we got none of these. She has proved to be nothing short of a "say anything to win at all costs." She would prove be a horrible liability as a candidate and one they democrats cannot afford to have in November.

Barack Obama is the best candidate for this election, no matter what smear tactics Clinton's group throws at him.