Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

BacaAngel — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:09:43 GMT

In a Heartfelt attempt to Answer a Question about small-town America Barack, although tired, said in earnest: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone...And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." What Barack meant in Essence -- which is the Clear-Cold Truth, unlike Hillary's Bosnia Fabrication and Continuing Performances, is that in General, Small-town America, due to a loss of jobs which produces frustration and bitterness and time on their hands (similarly to the Negros in Slavery time who turned to Religion & Music for an outlet), small-town Americans turn to Religion, Hunting. And yes, some blame the current conditions on Immigrants when they should be turning their blame on Politicians who allow employers to higher immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for. He never said religion or hunting (music) were bad, just because people turn to them for an outlet in a way to channel the engery of their frustration and bitterness. The Wording could have been better, however I am sure this was due to Barack being tired and on the campaign trail for over 15 months. What he could have said instead -- which are synonyms for bitter are that People are Resentful, experiencing Pain, and Prolonged Discomfort, due to harsh and painful economic conditions. However, the fact that McCain, Clinton and others are trying to take a poor choice of words and to make nothing into something-- blowing it out of proportion -- and playing politics as usual, is despicable in an atttempt to get you to see things not as they are but as distortion. People in small-town America have experienced a loss of jobs in a greater degree and opportunity than Cities and suburban America, with very little to look forward to and time on their hands other than to go to church, hunt, and visit their local taverns, and for the young, many join the Military, and so many small town Americans have become bitter and disillusioned. Obama never stated that it was wrong that they turned to Religion and Guns due to time on their hands and/or a loss of hope, culture, plays, theaters, etc., they for an outlet turned to religion and guns.

In a larger picture, people in general all over America, are bitter over high gas prices, increased food prices, loss of jobs and hope, high education costs, increased mortgage costs and foreclosure, loss of jobs that leave the country and move to India and/or China, and as hard as it is to say, some people are bitter over immigration and the loss of jobs due to companies hiring immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for -- in an America that does not resemble the one we used to know and believe in. We have even lost the respect and admiration of other countries around the world due to the demise of the America we love and believe in. As Barack points out, we should not blame the Immigrants but the policies that have caused this chaos.

America, we have to ask ourselves, which is more eggrecious, a politician telling us the hard truth, the things we may not want to hear but need to hear OR a politician telling us a Fantasy/Lie, like the Bosnia Sniper Fire fabrication and PERFORMANCE, things we did not need to hear because not Truth, and which is a betrayal of the public trust and a deeply flawed Character Issue. There was a time that politicians was the most Honest Game in town -- George Washington, Honest Abe, Thomas Jefferson these are just a few examples, but they were men of high ethics and moral character who would not dare to tell the public a bold face ... for their own personal gain, it just was not done. And to say that Obama is an elitist, is like coloring Sen. Kerry a deserter, which they tried and was somewhat successful at, and look where it got us, into a war that should never have been waged and a host of other woes that only True Change from the bottom-up can Transform. I hope the people will see through Clinton and McCain's politicking, Distorting and twisting his words and Message for their own political gain and rally to Obama's aide who in all honesty is trying to Change Washington from a Power Broker to Power People, because in the end it will be the people's voice and votes that matter. Barack Obama in his attempt to speak the clear-cold truth to America has produced a crisis effect, can we handle the truth, seeing things as they are -- the good and the bad, because that is the only way we can change things for the better in America to look at the hard facts and stop trying to sweep them under the rug or have politicians tell us that things are Great, when they are terribly wrong. They are not right and people are bitter, but we have a chance for Hope now; We have a Chance to Change, and that hope -- that change is in the body of Barack Obama! Let no one fool you because if you do, you are saying you rather hear a lying politican than one who speaks Truth!

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Emanuel — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:33:54 GMT

I am so sick and tired of the media trying to tell us how we should feel about a news story. Are there any reports of people rioting in the streets over Senator Obama's comments? I live in Pennsylvania and nobody I know was offended. The only people making an issue with it are the ones who are trying to beat him in the election. A Philadelphia Inquirer poll revealed that 71% of the people feel bitter about government policy. Why don't we focus on the undisputable fact that 49.7 % of American voters have voted for Obama to be the Democratic nominee vs. 47.2% for Hillary Clinton? That's a story.

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:41:26 GMT

lived there in small towns, and i don't see a problem with what he said! After all we were all frustrated, but with a little wisdom knew we just could not walk on DC and open fire, and give them what they deserve!! So we all used other areas to get upset about, and take it all out on one group, item, or whatever was disgusting in the news, any reason! So we did not go a shooting the people responsable! What Obama said it pure unadulterated truth!!! Deal with small towns wishing to become what they once were-employed! Bitter is as politicaly correct as you can get, without using the words no allowed in here!!!!!

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John G. Son — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:42:04 GMT

Americans in small towns across America are BITTER. I truly believe that the change that sen. Obama talks about, is just what America needs. Yes, I am bitter. I am bitter because the country that I love is not truthful to me. It at times treats me like a small child, not trusting me with the truth. Not telling me the truth, arising fear just to create fear. When the truth is $4.00 AGALLON FOR GAS, CORPERATIONS SENDING JOBS OVER SEAS FOR MORE PROFITS, AMERICANDS LOSING JOBS TO IMMIGATIONS, CEO'S MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SALARIES, 3000 DEAD AMERICANS LOST THEIR LIVES 911, Osama Bin aldin walking free in Parlistan , average Americans losing their dreams, of the AMERICAN DREAM. Hell yes I am BITTER. Change will not coming easy, but change is what is needed. The truth about being Bitter, will set us free and WE can once again ENJOY THE AMERICAN DREAM. The question to myself is, who will tell me the truth and respect me as an adult. We as Americans, I hope are listeningand watching each candidate and asking, what is truly best for the American people...... I have my answer someone who will tell me the truth ......even when it hurts.

A Republican: for OBAMA

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Kellyville — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:42:31 GMT

WOW! Well said BacaAngel. I agree 100%.

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myersvic — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:43:23 GMT

The reason this is a story is because it is exactly the type of thing that continues to beat Democrats in election after election after election. It's a story because Democrats need to recognize NOW how this will be used against us if Obama wins the primary. It's a sad fact, but it's a fact. But like Chris Matthews pointed out in 2004, "Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." How can we possibly lose the White House this time around? Give Barack Obama the Democratic nomination...

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SOUTHERN QUOTES — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:46:10 GMT

$109 Million + 2 Clintons = Elitist

Shame on you Sen. Clinton, it only takes one million to become a millionaire and you have one hundred and nine. What does that make you? I believe it makes you an"Elitist Millionaire Hypocrite"! LOL!

Stop the nonsense Sen. Clinton! You're not in touch with the real world.

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Observer25 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:48:16 GMT

You address that one problem with Obama's statement was that it came from behind closed doors. You did not address the other problem is that it can easily be put together with previous statements of those he surrounds himself - his wife, his pastor - who have both made similar kinds of remarks. The history of Obama's association and the kinds of people he surrounds himself probably point to the real man. We like to be with people who share our core values. I think Obama, like his wife, and his pastor of 20 years have very similar views. That's why he chose to have them play such large parts in his life.

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montefc — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:48:39 GMT

Again, the Clinton campaign has redefined the goalposts. Obama clearly misspoke on this topic. He said something that was half-complete and according to his campaign left out the key phrasing about how the 'bitter' PA voters actually vote along the lines of guns/gays/immigration. Hillary, on the other hand, completely LIED about Bosnia but rebranded it as how she 'misspoke' while she was exhausted from answering the phone at 3am.

Despite all of the parodies (SNL for instance), the media seems to be now giving Obama harsher criticism than Clinton or McCain. Does saying that PA voters are bitter even approach the Bosnian lies of Hillary or the confusion of McCain (specifically regarding the economy and Iran)?

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SOUTHERN QUOTES — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:48:59 GMT

The "Bitter Truth" or a "Bosnia Lie"?

Would you guys rather have the bitter truth or a bald faced (Bosnia) lie? Personally I vote for the truth over any lie. Sometimes people, the truth hurts. Vote Obama, if you want the truth!

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Phong Nguyen — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:51:23 GMT

In the CNN show last night on Faith in Politics, S. Obama jokingly referred to Rev. Wright’s episode as Rev. Wright’s “greatest hit,” which shows S. Obama’s insensitive side. Rev. Wright’s racial remarks are not a laughing matter! His joking reference trivializes his explanation for Rev. Wright’s racial remarks. His linking the bitterness and frustration of small town people and their guns and religion shows that he is out of touch with small town people and it faintly reminds me of Rev. Wright’s attitude!

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toddinaustin — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:53:38 GMT

Well, its predictable that Obama supporters would find his words excusable. But I'm not sure the undecideds will. He is an elitest, whether these words truly dsplay it or not. His wife oozes elistism. I was trying to put my finger on it - originally, Hillary tried to say he's all words and no action - but that wasn't it. Then, bingo, he says what he said in a room full of wealthy San Franciscans (and I know that demographic very well) and you know he was being totally honest with them. That what strikes a discordant vote with me - he's too smooth for his own good, and he got caught.

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hayden23 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:57:28 GMT

Here is the problem. If you find yourself thinking that the second explanation is any less offensive than the first, then you are an elitist. One says that people are voting because they are bitter. The other says they are too stupid to vote their self interest. If you presume that you know what is better for working class voters than they do, then you are an elitist.

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:57:59 GMT

For all you politicaly correct people out there who do not understand the sediment of smal towns open your ears and here this BITTER=*&**&^^%%&&%###$#%^%&%%$**%#^&%&#%^##&$*^%*$**&%#*#*#^%*^*%#*^*$*^*#%^**$#***$* opening statement! @#%(*&^%$%#$^#$&#^%*$%@&&@$&@&@&=thanks for nothing and taking away my rights#%#$#&(^#$!&%#%*$&@^%#*$@*@**@*= sediment of the company that you worked for before it went to Dubui, with the blessing and tax breaks from guess who$^^*^%#&$&*@%^*#%*#, this is one gram of BITTER, now imagin the full definition, and ask yourself is he right-YES!!! in a very respectful, politicaly correct manner, which describes one millionth, of how we realy feel! Do you want us in your face or theres??

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:59:02 GMT

Sometimes Obama's lack of experience shows in these kinds of comments. It's not just the "bitterness" and "cling to" comments about people in Penn (where unemployment is better than the rest of the nation btw), but his inability to relate to white blue collar workers and their families. A case in point is Obama's speech this morning to the AAM, which shows how out of touch he is with both workers and their managers.

Instead of focusing on what could unite them behind the Dems this year, like how steel manufacturing jobs can be created, about the way Birmingham Steel and Nucor have done in this in Alabama, and the way Alabama has brought new automobile manufacturing jobs to the state, instead of focusing on these kinds of things that both workers and management care about, he focuses on what separates union workers and managers like NLRB voting rules, organization fights, negotiations, and CEO salaries. It's like he's got his talking points from who ever is writing his speeches, and doesn't know how to address a mixed audience. He can't take just one side of the argument and tell those people what they want to hear when both sides are sitting in the audience. The applause was underwhelming.

In spite of his work trying to help displaced union workers find other work (what was it exactly he did in that effort anyway?), Obama hasn't been exposed to the American workplace. He doesn't know how unions and management both fight against one another in representation elections and contract negotiations, and work together to make sure a company succeeds the rest of the time.

If he gets the nomination, some of his comments to the AAM will be turned into a 927 ad portraying Obama as a Marxist who wants to control American businesses from Washington, as though that would appeal to the growing segment of small business owners who drive our economy right now. That portrayal would get a big boost from his "cling to religion" comments which arguably allude to Marxist theory about the role of religion in a capitalist society.

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rjpraml — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:04:09 GMT

LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THIS, THE LIBERAL PRESS (INCLUDING NEWSWEEK) IS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING TO SPIN THIS TO OBAMA'S FAVOR. HAD A REPUBLICAN MADE A COMMENT LIKE THIS EVERY LIBERAL OUTLET WOULD HAVE WANTED THEM EXILED TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. WORDS DO MATTER, AND I BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID WAS WHAT IT MEANT. THE FACT IS, THAT HIS COMMENTS ARE IN LOCK STEP WITH REV WRIGHT AND HIS WIFE AS IT PERTAINED TO THEIR VIEW OF AMERICA. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND SOUNDS LIKE A DUCK, IT'S A DUCK. HE ACTUALLY REMINDS ME OF AN EARLY BILL CLINTON, SAYING WHATEVER HIS CURRENT AUDIENCE WANTS HEAR, AND THEN CHANGING HIS NEXT SPEECH TO CATER TO THE NEW AUDIENCE.

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Tahoethunderkat — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:07:58 GMT

Obama was very correct of what America is feeling and the mood of this country. He may not stated it as correctly as he wish he did. But still Obama has hit the point and the mood of this country is very bitter of what is happening in the country of the United States. Its about time that we have a canidate that is being honest and true to the American People. I dont think that this remark is a curse. it will carry the blessiing in Pennsylvania. The Forum showed that on National Television. The people there did not hardly clap for Hillary Clinton. But now when Obama came out to the crowd they gave him a standiing ovation and they clapped though his answers and they again given him another standiing ovation at the end of the forum. he connected to them when Hillary Clinton almost had them sleeping. I feel that the mood of the audience was upset of Clintons attacks of this btter word. The Truth of the matter I am bitter to see Americans losing there jobs. I am bitter to see american getting killed in Iraq. I am bitther that familys are losing there sons and daughters in this war that had nothing to do with attacking the towers and a lie that Bush dream up of mass destructon weapons. THEY ESTIMATE IN THE GENERAL HEARING THAT 40 TO 50 AMERICANS WILL LOSE THERE LIFES IN EACH MONTH. AND THIS JOHN MCCAIN THAT IS CLEARLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH AMERICANS IS GOING TO KEEP US THERE FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS AND IN THAT TIME. OF 50 AMERICANS LOSING THERE LIFES WILL ADD UP AND TOTAL TO 500.000 WILL BE BURYED. THAT MANY FAMILYS WILL HAVE TO BURY THERE SONS AND DAUGHTERS. YES I AM BITTER. I am bitter to see that this republicans are going to spend 40 billion dollars a month to support this war in Iraq. yes I am bitter. and I feel that this is truly the mood of this Country. I am a white American Republican and if Obama wins this Democrat nomination. I will be voting for him in the presidential elections. Obama is connected to the america feelings and Hillary and McCain is not. that will show more and more as time goes. Go Obama 08.

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Thevail — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:09:18 GMT

Please read full context before deciding Full transcript: OBAMA:

So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism. But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is so we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, uh you know roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives.

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that with people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know real honest working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

As you can see, when you read the quote in context, he’s talking about how the people in these areas are bitter and cynical because the government has screwed them so many times. I can’t think of the last time a politician was that brutally honest about Washington D.C. and how it’s failed the American people.

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Jdr3777 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:10:57 GMT

I live in central new york, I'm about 5 minutes from the PA border.Many of my associates that i work with are from Rural PA.I have to say for a fact that Obama was 100 percent dead on with his comments.he almost described 90 % of my associates i work with.People are bitter.Even though of us who are making a decent living.There's many people i work with who givin 10,20,30 years of their lives to a plant, and they see their wages are stagnant.Our health keeps going up, and it seems more and more that the company cares more about the stockholders then the people that makes things happen.Then when we see CEO's making huge raises and we get none.Of course people get angry, frusturated, bitter.

A lof of my fellow associates are also very cynical when it comes our government.What Obama was saying was very true.They don't trust our government.They view the word politican as a dirty word,so when my friends vote they vote for issues that matter to them most.That is guns,religion etc.

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olderwiser — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:13:24 GMT

Please define "elitist". I am having trouble finding out what happened to the issues. Thanks.

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Prt10 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:15:02 GMT

Liberla press blah blah blah-that does not even exist anymore.

The bottomline is there is nothing wrong with being bitter. These people have listened to 3 different administrations tell them they will get them more jobs and it is just not going to happen. So what is the outcome people become bitter. I think people should stand up embrace the sentiment - "H*ll yes I am bitter and tell me why I shouldn't be?" Bush one, Clinton and Bush two all made promises that they knew they couldn't keep. What I cannot understand is why people still believe these people???? And bitter people look to blame people - it is too bad in this case they are not putting the blame at the feet of the people who deserve it...............Who care if someone can relate to the the white/blue collar worker? Look at what having a guy you might have a beer with got us as President. I want someone smart, well spoken, educated as my President. If all it takes is having a regular guy attitude than just about any doofus off the street could be President!! Why do we have to "relate" to our President - I would like to admire my President, respect his intelligence and judgement, I do not want the guy I hang with on Friday night to be my Leader...

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montefc — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:16:06 GMT

Here is something to send everyone over the edge....I would argue that as a society we spend too much time diminishing the well-educated as liberal elitists. If people are well-educated, then they might be able to think for themselves. We wouldn't want that in a democracy thus we must collectively ridicule them as elitists. How many times have you heard people whine on about liberal Harvard-elitists and instead favor the views of the midwestern farmer? The reality is that schools like Harvard are diverse but they attract very talented students. Maybe part of the reason our education-system ranks well below other advanced societies is that we tend to disrespect and disparage the educated as elitist because of the opportunities they have been afforded. My parents worked very hard, despite never having gone to college themselves, to send all three of their kids to academic institutions which can often be villified as elitist.

On another note, what exactly is the meaning of 'elitist'? Is there any elected official in Washington who isn't an elitist? And does the word elitist have an opposite? If not, doesn't that say something about the language used in this discussion?

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SueinPA — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:18:49 GMT

BacaAngel said it all, in a very well considered piece, at around 4:10 pm this afternoon! I spent my childhood with my brother, raised by a mother who was widowed when I was 3 years old, existing on $90 a week in the 1970s until she died in 1979. My income, like many Americans who comprise the backbone of our country, was meager until I finally graduated from medical residency in the 1990s, and my sympathies and empathy continue to exist with those of us who are far from wealthy but who continue the struggle to educate and provide for their children and families in spite of great odds. For me, Barack Obama is a truth teller, a transformational figure who comes upon the American scene once in a lifetime, and I am very proud to count myself as one of his most ardent supporters. He takes us past the stereotypes and asks us to think carefully about the issues and about people who are different from us, and I am really looking forward to the day that he is elected President of this great nation!! I CAN HARDLY WAIT!!!

OBAMA '08!!!!!

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benvictor — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:19:00 GMT

No mystery. This may help with SMALL-TOWN AMERICA versus Obama.

A little girl in is giving away baby kittens whose eyes are not quite open. Obama's sidekick comes along and asks what kind of kittens. She says democrats. He sees big photo opt for Obama and tells him about the girl. Several days later, Obama drives up in his Big Limo and asks the girl what kind of kittens. Cameras are ready to snap this photo opt. The little girl says republicans. Stunned, Obama says I thought you told my guy they were democrats. The little girl reples, "Yes, but now, their eyes are open." Maybe Small-Town America is smarter than the big city slickers who go to Harvard.

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Nubia — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:20:58 GMT

First of all I don't see what the problem is and secondly, Bush is building a mega embassy in Iraq that is on 104 acres. this is being done while Americans are losing their homes, losing their jobs and jobs are being shipped overseas that are never coming back, food and gas prices are going up while the money of Americans is very short, I don't know about you but if I couldn't sleep at night worrying about how I am going to pay my bills, or a mortgage company trying to take my house because I or my husband's plant closed because companies like Hershey are leaving the country, I don't know about you but bitterness is a mild word for how people like me might be feeling. When Bush took office he said America will never be the same as we again, I don't think any of us ever thought for one moment that statement would actually mean that Bush would borrow billions of dollars from China, Japan, Korea, Great Britan and Saudi Arabia and never pay it back. Now those countries want their money back and they are buying parts of America because Bush has defaulted on all the loans. And what is worse he is borrowing all the money for this stupis war in Iraq, $10 Billion Dollars a month with interest, Bitterness doesn't even come close to how some people are really feeling.

khummit

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News and Notes — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:21:21 GMT

It definitely comes down to inexperience and a lack of responsibility. I like Obama, but he is not any where near ready to be president. He is a smooth talker, but his arrogance is gettting the best of him. I wished he had waited a few more cycles before running for president. In the end, it is his verbal slight of hand, not Hillary's, that is causing divisiveness within the Democratic party. Please don't let him be the nominee! For all of Hillary's faults (and there are plenty!!) she is brilliant, compassionate, knowledgeable, and exceptionally hard working.

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SueinPA — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:25:49 GMT

OBAMA '08!!!!!

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:27:39 GMT

yes Jdr3777, people are bitter

but does that make them religious

this is a thinly veiled allusion to

Marxist philosophy about religion

does that turn them into gun lovers?

Is that why all those militants are out

in Iraq shooting at each other

and our servicemen and women

because they are bitter?

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:31:59 GMT

Baca Angel, Obama is far from being underpriviledged or poor.

He grew up wealthy. His Mom worked at a US embassy

His grandmother was VP of a bank.

I wonder if maybe his momma would have been

in the same predicament about getting her medical bills paid

under Obama's proposed health care plan? She had insurance

you know, inspite of what his commercial suggests.

Obama's plan isn't universal coverage, you can buy it if you want it.

If you buy it at one job, and you change insurance because you get laid

off or change jobs, will the Obama insurance plan cover your illness?

Or will the insurance companies continue to avoid paying

the bills by claiming your condition was preexisting?

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olderwiser — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:33:34 GMT

elitist, n. "A person who believes that a system or society should be ruled or dominated by an elite."

This quote was taken from my dictionary. I believe that we are talking about a man who came from humble circumstances and pulled himself up fairly well, by American standards, in the person of Barack Obama. I believe that the Mc Cain and Clinton campaigns are calling him an elitist. Hillary graduated from yale, whose graduates used to have a reputation for being fairly well educated, until our present president came along and graduated there. (Try "nuculer", as an example. Bush can't even pronounce nuclear.) Apparently, Clinton campaign workers coined the word "elitist" referring to the Obama fund raising speech and she used it without checking what it means. If "elitist" means that you have a good education, then we ought to elect an elitist to the office of the presidency.

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fog80 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:36:15 GMT

@BENVICTOR

If thats the case, I want to thank SMALL TOWN AMERICA for sticking us with BUSH!!

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RealConcernedPerson — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:36:44 GMT

I too need to know exactly what is an elitist and how Obama fits this characterization. As I think about my current situation, there are many ways to describe what I am feeling and bitter is an option. I would be bitter, and some may call it bitter, except for God. I am disappointed and frustrated that some of the promises of the government are empty when they arrive at my door. Example, the recent legislation on stopping foreclosures, does not help me, because I have had a foreclosure. Why a foreclosure, because people we were trying to help, moved mid-lease, then we spent nearly $15,000.00 seeking to renovate the damage, and because of the market, it did not sale. Bitter, its an option. Yet, I do turn to God. He helps. Yet we still need help.

Obama is trying to be inclusive of everyone. I agree with this article, he is a man who by his very birth is seeking to stand across, really within, two worlds, indeed within many worlds. This is his strength and it is truly America's promise. He therefore embodies this promise, more than any other candidate. He may sometimes get the words wrong, but that will be in the ears of the hearers, because his heart is in the right place. He is not totally Black, which means that when he speaks and acts, some feel that he has left them out. He is not totally white, which means that when he speaks and acts, some feel that he has left them out. Yet, his words include more of us than have ever been included in a common America than the words of any individual in history, including MLK. In the words of many others, he is transformative. The real question for this election is whether America, in the age of the Internet, is ready for transformation. No longer do we need the interpretations and the comments of others, we can hear and read the words ourselves. Are we, are you, am I, ready to be transformed, to know how many can be included at the same table, and not how many we can shut the door on and still say that we are all in the room?

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:42:22 GMT

I don't find that Obama using veiled allusions to Marxist theories about religion being the opiate of the masses to explain to left wing supporters in California why middle America does not support him is particluarly unifying. It does sound elitist to me.

It's not about whether people are bitter. It's about the claim that in bitterness they turn to religion and guns.

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Cecilpau — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:44:41 GMT

What is wrong with an analysis of a people in small towns across America who are bitter about the rotten deal they got from their Goveernments. First it was NAFTA by the Clintons which took away their jobs.Then the Iraq War by Bush which took the lives of, and maimed their children. They are bitter and rightly so. There is nothing elitist or out of touch with this remark by Obama. It is Hillary and Mc Cain who are out of touch for not understanding the plight of these people.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:46:58 GMT

what humble circumstances olderwiser?

Obama was raised as a wealthy kid. In indonesia his white Mom worked at the US embassy, which provided him not only with a better way of life than most Indonesian families, but with status among his peers.

Then he moved to Hawaii where he lived with his grandparents. Not only was his grandfather employed, but his grandmother was the VP of a bank. They were not poor, in spite of his efforts to align himself with poor blacks in America. He was raised in priviledge and abused the freedom his grandparents afforded him, fooling around in school and doing drugs.

And the part about his mother not being able to afford insurance is a myth. She had insurance. The problem was she had changed jobs, and the insurance company was claiming her cancer was a pre-existing condition they didn't have to pay for. Funny thing is, under Obama's plan, because it isn't universal coverages, his mom would probably be in the same boat she was when she couldn't get the insurance company to pay her medical bills.

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VoteResponsibly08 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:47:29 GMT

Words Words Yes they meann a lot and Obama's condecending comments are not welcomed along with his association with Anti-Americans like Wright, Farrakhan and now Bill Ayers.. Obama's speeches are full of litanies of complaints against America and we are sick of it.!

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Missy522 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:49:59 GMT

You know what Stumper, I am a professional with MBA and make $75K in healthcare. I have benefits and was the first person in my family to go to college and get an advance degree. Pulled myself up by the bootstraps - one might say. But, if small town America fall for the Clinton's kitchen sink remodeling tactic, then I am sorry to say they deserve everything that has and will continue to happen to them. If they believe that Billary who have made $190M since leaving the White House in DISGRACE is going to help them, then GOOD LUCK!! How can a Black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama be an elitist? That's just stupid and that is exactly want the Clinton's are counting on - your stupidity. Vote what's familiar and what has worked in the past. WAKE UP!!!!! The past is just that - the past..The good ole' days is just that - the olden days.

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tomh_32 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:51:02 GMT

Doesn't matter what he says, different observers will view him differently, and that also goes for the pundits, who pretend to be analytical but are not much different from the guy on the street. I'd be very surprise if this guy Romano does not vote for Obama. Almost invariably, people hate to have their problems analyzed and talked about, and that's why the term "elitist" has such a negative connotation. If you have good understanding of my problems and have good ideas on how to solve it, roll up your sleeves and dig in. That's what people want, and that's what a person who "genuinely" wants to serve others would do.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:56:08 GMT

If people are bitter,

does that make them religious,

or are they religious because the love God?

Obama's comment is a thinly veiled allusion to

Marxist philosophy about religion being

the opiate of the masses.

Does being bitter turn middle class americans

into gun lovers and hunters?

Or do they love hunting because it is

something they did with their fathers,

because they love the independence and

self sufficiency of being able to put venison

or duck, or dove, or rabbit,

on the dinner table?

Maybe Obama just doesn't understand the

middle class in middle america.

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duck47 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:01:12 GMT

A participant at the fund raiser asked Obama why he wasn't getting more votes in Pennsylvania and he in essence explained that the people there were losers and that was why. He has distorted that fact ever since the story broke and you for some reason chose to help him do that. He's very lucky that the majority of people and the press are letting him pretend that he was trying to do anything but justify his own failure on the backs of the voters he referred to. Did you seriously not get this?

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Scubafiend — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:03:04 GMT

What scares me is that Obama is "supposed" to be the candidate that speaks so well. He is putting his foot in his mouth more and more frequently these days which only lends creedence to the claim that the reason his supporters have been screaming for Hillary to drop out of the race was so there would be less opportunity for him to fall on his sword. Not surprisingly, Obama supporters are ready to give him a pass - again. Obama has not had to decide between paying bills and buying food. He does not know what it is like to be in the position that many Americans are in. I'm fortunate - I'm not in that position now, but I have been in the past. This man claims to be a uniter and I just don't see that. His faux-pas over the past few months just keep making me wonder what is below that slick surface.

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sparky716 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:04:50 GMT

hey stupid in Alabama..you need to get a life...from ALL your post you must just sit in front of your computer all day and most of the nite..get a life....also get used to this President Obama

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yupik1 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:05:49 GMT

What then, would you call Hillary, who's husband has made 100's of millions at the expense of American jobs and American technology to the Chinese. Then turn around to say she'll 'fix' Bill's mistakes. Can she also explain her days of being on the board of Walmart? Especially during those days when Walmart successfully fought off Unions wanting a fair shake on wages.

I guess Hillary is the talker and Bill is the doer. How condescending for them to think we're wanting of Hillary's comforting words, while Bill is f---king us up the ass with deals meant to do the exact opposite of what Hillary is spewing out of that oriface she calls her mouth. Makes me sick!

McCain is only in it because his wife is a millionaire and she wants to make Bush's tax cuts to the rich permanent so she can keep more of her millions. McCain was stupid enough to agree to a pre-nup so he's stuck with nothing either way. Maybe she gives him good hand jobs.

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iamnumba1 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:06:56 GMT

CNN WILL NOT POST THIS COMMENT. I HAVE POSTED IT THREE TIMES AND THE MODERATOR HAS REJECTED IT. READ CLOSELY AND TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

Bill Clinton, My Life, 2004: "If [Republicans] could cut funding for Medicare, Medicaid, education, and the environment, middle-class Americans would see fewer benefits from their tax dollars, feel more resentful paying taxes, and become even more receptive to their appeals for tax cuts and their strategy of waging campaigns on divisive social and cultural issues like abortion, gay rights, and guns."

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sunoverla — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:07:14 GMT

with a paster/mentor like wright for 20 years, i'm not suprised barack (and now michelle with her americans have broken souls statement) think this way about white americnas!

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elncynnie — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:08:43 GMT

It certainly seems to me that the American public thrives on negatives! When it comes to political campaigns, regardless of which candidate is your favorite, the other candidate is always the evilized one! However, Americans are generally intelligent enough to pause when the going gets rough to reevaluate everything they have heard and read. In this case, rather than wait until everyone is once again sick and tired of listening to the pundits rake Senator Obama over the coals over a statement that really reflects the mind of most Americans when there are conditions which disenfranchises them. When we have had a war, more people return to church seeking solice in their faith; more people are out of work, cannot feed their families, so there are more robberies with the use of guns; there are more people people out of work due to NAFTA and big businesses seeking to make millions while the working person is under paid or cannot find work at all due to overseas jobs and immigrents taking the few jobs that would otherwise be available. Why are the remarks of Senator Obama so unsettling? Do we not want to face the truth about who we, as Americans, really are?

Alphaone

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SDDan — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:09:34 GMT

People never cease to amaze me. Do the people offended by Obama's comments really think Hillary thinks differently? Almost all politicians are wealthy and elitist. The people Clinton is pandering to right now are the butt end of jokes at cocktail parties and functions where the elite get together.

Don't kid yourselves into thinking any of the candidates care about you. They could care less, they just want your vote. In Clinton's case she will say and do anything to get it.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:09:38 GMT

Obama is far from being underpriviledged or poor.

He grew up wealthy. His Mom worked at a US embassy,

which made him "elite" in that community.

His grandmother was VP of a bank,

which made him elite in that community.

He went to elite universities and law schools.

He was not poor. Neither was him mother.

I wonder if maybe his momma would have been

in the same predicament about getting her medical bills paid

under Obama's proposed health care plan? She had insurance

you know, inspite of what his commercial suggests.

Obama's plan isn't universal coverage, you can buy it if you want it.

If you buy it at one job, and you change insurance because you get laid

off or change jobs, will the Obama insurance plan cover your illness?

Or will the insurance companies continue to avoid paying

the bills by claiming your condition was preexisting?

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tomh_32 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:10:27 GMT

"Here is the problem. If you find yourself thinking that the second explanation is any less offensive than the first, then you are an elitist. One says that people are voting because they are bitter. The other says they are too stupid to vote their self interest. If you presume that you know what is better for working class voters than they do, then you are an elitist."

hayden23, you couldn't have said it better. I just have to reprint your words.

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Grandpa — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:11:02 GMT

I wonder how long people will go after any demagogue who promised change. Erich Maria Remark noted talking about Hitler that a promise that "everything will be different" was the like music for Germans in 1930-ies. The International - bolsheviks athem - promised to destroy old order to the ground and build a new shining world (of Gulag and KGB). How Americans can go after immature ignoramus is beyond my comprehension, Doesn't he know that it was Chamberlen who talked to enemies and even signed pact with them, and how dearly humanity paid for this talk? And if he can't keep his languge right here in America, how he's going to handle ayatollas much smarter than he is? What kind of misspoke America would have to pay later? He's not an elitist - he's a byproduct of Equal Opportunity and he wants to get even with us. God save America

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iamnumba1 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:11:19 GMT

NOW THIS IS WHAT BILL CLINTON SAID IN 1991 and 1992, and 2004!!!!!

Bill Clinton, LA Times, 1991: "The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death."

Bill Clinton, Sunday Times, 1991: "When (the Republicans) economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them."

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Loni Craft — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:11:51 GMT

THANKS FOR THE ENTIRE ARTICLE - IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YA...IF ONE REALLY THINKS THROUGH AND THEN RESPONDS, RATHER THAN REACTS, WE ARE ALL BETTER OFF...TOO BAD MCCAIN AND HILLARY DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF CHARACTER....HILLARY SHOULD RUN ON THE TICKET WITH MCCAIN - THAT WOULD BE A REAL MATCHUP

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:17:22 GMT

If people are bitter,

does that make them religious,

or are they religious because the love God?

Obama's comment is a thinly veiled allusion to

Marxist philosophy about religion being

the opiate of the masses.

Does being bitter turn middle class americans

into gun lovers and hunters?

Or do they love hunting because it is

something they did with their fathers,

because they love the independence and

self sufficiency of being able to put venison

or duck, or dove, or rabbit,

on the dinner table?

Maybe Obama just doesn't understand the

middle class in middle america.

And saying they don't vote, or vote against

their self interests because they are bitter makes

no sense. Talk about condescending!

All you voters who haven't voted yet,

GET OUT AND VOTE FOR CLINTON

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:20:43 GMT

If people are bitter,

does that make them religious,

or are they religious because the love God?

Obama's comment is a thinly veiled allusion to

Marxist philosophy about religion being

the opiate of the masses.

Does being bitter turn middle class americans

into gun lovers and hunters?

Or do they love hunting because it is

something they did with their fathers,

because they love the independence and

self sufficiency of being able to put venison

or duck, or dove, or rabbit,

on the dinner table?

Maybe Obama just doesn't understand the

middle class in middle america.

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tephraim — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:21:54 GMT

He told the truth.......Its about time someone did. We know we can't expect Hillary to tell the truth.

People are bitter, frustrated, angry.......pick a word, they all fit. We are in a recession, we have a housing crises and the unemployment rates keeps getting higher and higher.

Get real people. Its about time someone that someone tell it like it is as apposed to what we want to hear. The truth hurts huh?

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rightim — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:25:58 GMT

Or just maybe we should make up our own minds as to what Barack Obama meant. Isn't it a bit elitist for Clinton and McCain to tell us how we should be interpreting those comments. I happen to have interpreted the comments to mean that people are bitter about politics and the lack of response to issues that help to put food on our table and because politicians don't give a hoot about doing something about the real issues affecting basic survival then they will make their political choices based on issues around guns, abortion, and other issues. Whatever you think, think for yourself!!

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mydog08 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:28:31 GMT

Dear Mr. Obama,

Its such a shame that while you are trying to save this country and us and help us heal, you are being attacked on EVERYTHING you have ever said or done. True, there has been scrutiny of all 3 candidates, but never in all my years have I seen anyone or their comments be so analyzed. I say to you, to heck with trying to save us, if we are too stupid to see that you are being crucified for trying to be a different kind of candidate, in a different kind of world, then we do not deserve to have you as a president and we also deserve whatever we end up with. I am so tired of of the MEDIA picking through every phrase and syllable, if they had been doing their job in the first place, we wouldn't have had BUSH for 8 years, who, by the way RUINED OUR COUNTRY. God forbid they would have analyzed BUSH's every move. Good Luck to all of us if Clinton or McCain are our choices, more of the same, same same, and more distance between the poor and the rich,(poor=formerly middle class).

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xargaw — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:29:21 GMT

Apparently, Thomas Franks (What's the Matter with Kansas) has weighed in and states that Obama's take was generally the way he also sees the country. This entire fiasco is a manufactured political tactic from Clinton and McCain. It contributes nothing to the debate about who would be the best President to solve our problems and set the country on a better course. Clinton, in particular, has once again chosen the "low road" politics that make many democrats ashamed. The sooner this primary is behind the democratic party, the better it will be for the country. We need to begin drawing destinctions between the two party candidates.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:29:47 GMT

What he means it that they are so bitter that they

cling to their guns and religion

and don't have the good sense to vote for him.

Wasn't that the question he was answering?

Why they don't vote for him?

Talk about arrogant.

What makes him think he can decide what is best for them?

Maybe they think Clinton is better than he is. Imagine that.

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jackjack — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:30:43 GMT

It is really frustrating at the lack of intellect exercised when trying to understand things that dont 'make sense' to us. Obama was not knocking people for clinging to religion or guns. He understands that in times when we are feeling lost and helpless about the world around us we cling (ever tighter) to the things that we can count on...God..security, family, etc. What he was EXPOSING was that the government often uses the very God Given rights that we enjoy to manipulate us into becoming one issue wedge voters. Its the manipulation of the American people via the things we 'Cling' to that the government exploits through our obvious frustration WITH the government. SO they give us a scapegoat and tell us its that person or thing that is going to take your last refuge away from you. Its a game and its a complicated pschology that requires more than a 10 second reading of the quote to understand. Fortunate for the status quo government, thats all the american public needs to fly into a lather about something they didnt read or hear in full context. Does it make sense to get angry at the person who exposes your manipulators? Or should you focus on the people who are actually manipulating you? Its easier to just blame Obama though I guess.

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:37:32 GMT

xargaw, how arrogant of you to decide that Obama has already obtained the nomination. Don't you think you ought to let the voters vote? Don't you think the superdelegates ought to decide who has the best chance of being elected?

But I guess you Obama supporters don't really want the votes counted, don't want to do the complicated electoral math, don't care if McBush gets elected in the fall, as long as your candidate is crowned the new messiah, even before the votes are cast in the primaries.

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poli56 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:41:32 GMT

I believe in Obama and what he can do for OUR country ! I think it's too bad Hillary chose the low road once again instead of backing up Obama. We need to stand together !

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:41:47 GMT

wealthy, poor or in between. I'm 46 and during that time in this country being black was bad enough, but to marry cross color was a dangerous lifestyle, I should know in my youth i beat the hell out of them, and to marry cross color was a fast track to hell! Ted Nugett was playing the Devils music, BTW he is now the head of the NRA, lol go figure, every child at 5 should own a gun,mmm? The time frame he grew up in was deluged in racial threats and killings, so no matter how much they made, they lived the hard way, out of love, and that has a tendency to create great insight in life in offspring, who was the target of the protesters, and KKK. All I herd was the truth and if he were a white, OLD, OLD, OLD, Male! This would not be a newsweek article or discussion. I fought for freedom and before I die I would like to know when a parent of ANY child says "if you try hard enough you can be president" for it to be true! I prefere an elitist over another dynasty!

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:42:54 GMT

jackjack, what he was doing was answering a question. The question was why he can't get middle class Americans to vote for him. His explanation of what he meant is as elitist and condescending as the original statement. It's not about people being bitter, it's his statement that bitter people in middle America turn to their Bibles and their guns because they are bitter.

WRONG. They are religious because they love God.

They love guns because they love guns.

And they vote these issues, not because they are bitter,

but because these are issues they care about.

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Sane in Utah — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:45:19 GMT

We focus on these blah-blah-blah manufactured interpretations while our country goes down the toilet. If you vote for McCain, then you vote for Bush II and his disastrous policies, at home and abroad, plain and simple.

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citron16 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:46:00 GMT

Obama should quit now!! Hillary Clinton 2008 Best candidate!!!!

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Not stupid in Alabama — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:47:04 GMT

Hope and change, change and hope, show me something Obama has actually done.

Hillary didn't point out this blunder, it was already out there.

Obama put his foot in his mouth, making assumptions and thinking he is

better than all those voters who really believe in God and haven't taken up

religion because it is politically expedient.

He earned the backlash from all those gun toting hunters

he sent a letter, saying how he was pro-gun, which is just not true.

He earned his "F" from the NRA.

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Saltydog_0 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:47:07 GMT

How amusing it is to watch Hillary and McCain, both millionaire senators, trip all over themselves to label Obama an elitist.

Anyone out there care to make the case than ANY of these privileged blowhards are proletariats? I need a good laugh.

What a bunch of hypocrites these dopes are; Obama, Hillary and McCain.

Anyone who actually believes their working class tripe deserves the condescending diparagement they receive from this trio.

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Nomar — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:48:19 GMT

What did you get your degree in Andrew, "Liberal Apoligism" is that even an accredited curriculum? Your swooning over Barack Obama's silver tongue made me throw up in my mouth. It's pretty sad when a presidential candidate for the greatest country on earth has to rely on you , a liberal hack journalist to decipher or explain his words to the rest of us who cant hear and think for ourselves. You give yourself way too much credit. Even you should have realized by now that whenever Obama does not read off of a teleprompter or script he does LOUSY. Every time he has had to come up with his own words he ends up apologizing or needing someone to tell us what he really meant. He's a phony and a bad candidate that the Republicans are goint to dismantle. general election.

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NepZone — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:50:56 GMT

Obama's "Bitter" Comment

Why shouldn't ordinary Americans feel "bitter", the majority have in the last 2 elections elected to office a President who has tricked them into an unnecessary war with Iraq, draining half a trillion American dollars from the US Economy, money which could have helped ordinary Americans.

And because of this war, oil prices started to spike and the huge deficit to finance the war also led to the collapse of the USD.

And here is the other part of this vicious cycle, because of higher oil price, President Bush last year signed a law mandating a substantial increase in the use of renewable fuels, principally ethanol, over the next 15 years, thus contributing to the serious world wide food inflation currently besieging many parts of the world today.

These "Bitter" Americans should alleviate their bitterness by electing Obama as the next US President to remedy these serious problems caused by Bush.

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Lancesmother — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:51:45 GMT

Seems to me that the media wants a Clinton/McCain race because MSNBC and CNN have blown this "Bitter" comment completely out of proportion. Clinton does not need to raise money, she has the media on her side. This is ridiculous.

I heard that Hillary was boo'd today when she started in on the "Bitter" comment.

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jackjack — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:52:21 GMT

The Republicans have gotten Democrats to swallow this term 'elitist'. It sounds like what blacks sometimes say to each other about 'talking white'-as if speaking with proper english is a bad thing.

If the antithesis of an Elitist is George Bush, I'll take this so called 'Elitist' all day.

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jackjack — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:57:10 GMT

@ Alabama....it's his statement that bitter people in middle America turn to their Bibles and their guns because they are bitter.

Im sorry my friend but 'clinging' doesnt mean that they just started caring about those things when they got bitter.

As an evangelical I turn to my bible too..even more so in this crazy world we are living through. Im not offended by his comments, but then, as a Christian..the Bible teaches to not BE so easily offended.

You can hold onto your feelings if you chose. I chose to see beyond what you are quoting to the root- which is the manipulation of my love of God which I've watched the Republican party hijack.

Best of luck painting a black man who by all statistics had a better chance of ending up in prison than ending up a harvard grad....an elitist.

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rick g — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:57:47 GMT

I don't see any difference between what Obama said and the words of that famous newsman, Howard Beall, from the movie NETWORK. And if you look at the enthusiasm of the voters and the number of newly registered, I'd also say they're "mad as hell, and they're not going to take it anymore!"

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jes99 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:58:42 GMT

The issue is not that he said that people are bitter.

The issues is that he then went on to make a value judgement about them. He essentially said that they were small-town gun-toting bible-thumping insular bigots.

And that is insulting no matter how he tries to spin it.

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pghdem — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:00:31 GMT

"With a few days of distance, it's probably fair to ask: did Obama's remarks actually expose "elitist" tendencies? "

With all due respect, wouldn't it have been fair to ask that from the start?

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drsyko1 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:01:20 GMT

Obama's explanation: "They don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them," Obama said. "So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington." In other words, I didn't mean that small-town voters suddenly discover religion or guns because they've lost their jobs, but rather that they feel so "bitter" after decades of empty economic promises that some now "cling to" guns or religion as electoral issues."

And does he really thinks this will make what he said better?? To me it just reiterates his snobbery. He is basically saying, yet again, that the only reason people might base votes on these issues is because they are bitter about the economy, gov't etc. Really?? Is he really so delusional and out of touch that it NEVER EVEN OCCURED TO HIM THAT PEOPLE MIGHT VOTE ABOUT THESE ISSUES BECAUSE, OH WAIT FOR IT . . . THEY CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES? Is he really so stupid that he can't understand that the personal is political, and that not everything is about money for everyone else, even thought it may be for him? Can he really not understand how offensive his remarks are to people whose lives are affected by religion, gay issues, immigration issues, etc.? Because that is the real example of his elitism--that he just doesn't seem to get how the "little people" may find his glib and obnoxious dismissal of their concerns as only being about being bitter as being enormously offensive. God forbid he should ever admit that he is WRONG or that he doesn't know something. I think he really believes he some kind of messiah of the masses who has come to rescue all of us from our dumb little concerns. His whole attitude of one of contempt for anyone who doesn't agree with him. Let us not forget that the whole reason he even said these things was to try to explain why people in Penn are not supporting him. I guess it just never occured to him that these people just don't like him or his policies or his lies or his pastor. Oh no, it has to be because they are clinging to their guns and God, etc. What appalling arrogance.

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jackjack — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:03:43 GMT

@ jess-He essentially said that they were small-town gun-toting bible-thumping insular bigots.

No my friend..he did not 'essentially' say that. He was saying that the little that small town folks have left...God, security, family...is manipulated by the government to evoke some fear that they might 'lose' those last refuges of comfort. And those who use this manipulation are framing Obama as the 'one' who will take those comforts from them.

Thats what he was saying.

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Northern Neighbor — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:03:45 GMT

Keith Glegg: No one like a newly-minted multimillionaire to recognize elitism and elitists. Takes one to kow one, I guess. If this is the only misspeak that Obama is guilty of, it's lucky he didn't add that he had to pass through sniper fire as he went among the bitter people in the streets of Phili. There are misspeaks that don't convery the true feeling of the speaker, but there are other misspeaks that reveal the speaker's state of ease with untruth. Obama's is the first kind, the Clintons have been involved in the second kind, and not only at 3:30 in the morning.

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niteroamer — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:03:56 GMT

Nomar obviously has not seen Obama speak. I was in attendance when he spoke to 14000 in Boise Idaho without a prompter or notes. He was terrific.

As to "bittergate" There is a well know and well validated theory in Social Psychology called Terror-management theory. It shows that when a person is reminded of their mortality, as when they don't have a job and can't pay their bills, they become stronger in their beliefs in religion and conservative politics. By scaring people you can manipulate them to support conservative social issues. Rove and the Bush administration are the absolute masters of this type of manipulation. The people being manipulated may not know they are being manipulated, but their belief about the origin of their positions has nothing to do with the truth of the matter.

Obama did nothing more or less than put to words the truth about the state of small town America. I know, I grew up in a small town in rural VA. The people there are bitter and have no confidence in the U. S. Government. They cling to religion and their guns as if either could protect them from the Government. Moreover the vilify immigrants, even though they have never met one.

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alnlori12 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:06:27 GMT

I'm a small townn person BITTER We give all these countries aid and don"t give a damm about the price of gas going up. Then they turn on us.

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Yella Dog — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:07:49 GMT

Obama's comments to an audience that he believed was sympathetic to him are yet another indicator that American voters know little about this smart, ambitious politician. His lengthy and faithful allegiance to Rev. Wright are yet another indicator. These two examples are not consistent. Why does he "cling" to the Rev. Wright if believes that religion is a crutch for the disaffected? The Rev Wright clearly appeals directly to disaffected African Americans by assuring them that all their troubles are the fault of the American govt and wealthy white racists. One wonders if Sen. Obama's faith is just a plank in his political platform that enables him to make the requisite claims to be a Christian. Who is Sen Obama and what does he really believe? I suspect we will learn during the general election when the press will no longer be able to protect him from the Republicans who will not be dependent upon the press to deliver their attacks. Unfortunately that will be too late for the Democrats who are apparently buying a "pig in a poke." (just an expression for choosing an unknown, not disrespect to Sen Obama).

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eaglwlker12 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:09:06 GMT

To all those that think he is so great. Beware, He is not to be trusted. Anyone with half a brain and a little common sense can see that. You think things are bad now, just wait and see how bad they get if he is elected.

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jackjack — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:06 GMT

@jdrysk01-I cling to God. I dont take offense at someone suggesting I do. I take offense at a government that manipulates my love of God for political purposes. When you dont have anything that you can control-you cant control gas prices, you cant control your job going overseas, you cant control the economy...what CAN you control? We fight harder for our faith and for our right to liberty and security. Those things, (already foundational in our day to day lives) become even GREATER issues when we get a chance to actually vote for them. I cant weed out the benefit of a trade deal with China but I can understand 'you want to take my guns away'. THAT is what Obama means about making these things electoral issues. Not that they werent before...but when my vote seems unconsequential and I am bitter about the state of things, I find some sense of sanity in voting for that 'issue' that I believe so strongly in. ...and there are politicians who KNOW this ..and manipulate your love of freedom, God, the militiary..etc...to their benefit. Thats what he was exposing.

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Moneytrackers1 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:44 GMT

I see all politicians as professional liars.Some better than others. Honestly, as a constituent, i dont expectthe politician, i choose, to keep100% of their promises because the nature of the business make it difficult to make everyone happy. To a degree..I would expect them to do their best best on the facts presented to them. Thats why the Presidency has a 14 member cabinet to help because they dont have all the answers. I believe Obama could has chosen his words better, sinnce the truth hurts sensitive Americans in small towns., but after seeing Hillary speak about sniper fire (four separate times) was just plain out right lying. It wasn;t 3am in the morning when she spoke on sniper fire either! Do we want an out right liar for President or do we want someone who is sincerely good with words and tells the truth. Why aren't we talking about how Hillary just out right lied about Bosnia!!!!!! If she is lying to our face repeatedly, she will genuinely lie behind our backs. If i had a job for years and lost it, because it closed down...moving across seas for cheaper labor and cost.....i would be bitter (while working at a fast food place with no pension and insurance to support my family) if my government did not or could not do anything to help me stimulate my household and local economy!

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drsyko1 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:28:42 GMT

With all due respect Jackjack, please do not try to tell me what he meant. You read my post--I'm perfectly capable of coming to my own conclusions. He wasn't "exposing" anything. He was trying to come up with a reason as to why the Penn voters don't support him. And in the course of doing that, IMHO he further exposed his arrogant, elitist views. I don't think anyone here needs you to explain to us what he meant--frankly it makes you sound as arrogant as he does--as if we are all too stupid to interpret his words and need you to do it for us. Just accept that we don't agree and never will.

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jethro706 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:29:23 GMT

I don't own a gun, but I have in the past. I don't go to church a regular basis, I believe in God. You give him the time and he can explain any mistake me makes while speaking. Anyone can. He does quite well at it.

Everyone has given this guy a pass on evrything he does or says.

The one I know, I AM THE TYPICAL WHITE PERSON AND WE JUDGE PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY SAY AND HOW THEY ACT. WE ALSO KNOW BS WHEN IT AROUND US TOO.

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jackjack — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:40 GMT

and with the same due respect Drysk01 you most certainly can believe what you want. You should likewise understand that what you extoll as 'what he meant' is exactly that.. 'your' conclusion. Your conclusion included people who cling to God and as one of those people I was giving my own view. I feel like Im back in psychology class honestly...do you realize that calling me 'arrogant' for intellectually disagreeing with you is a form of deflection? "As if 'we are all stupid"..Im not implying that at all..in fact Im giving your statements intellectual equality to respond at all. Its called discussion..no need to feel threatened by it. As for your beliefs...I accept that you dont agree and never will- it doesnt discourage me from sharing my thoughts though. Blessings~

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Reddawg — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:51 GMT

Barack Obama is not an "elitist", nor is he out of touch with small town American people. I am from small town PA & I agree with Barack. People are bitter. There are little or no good paying jobs in my area. I worked in a factory back in the '80's early '90's when my job went to Costa Rica. I then put myself through nursing school as a single parent & became an LPN. Well even as an LPN I didn't make much more than I did in the factory. So eventually I had to get other jobs to raise my child alone. I eventually worked 3 jobs to make ends meet because as kids get older they get more expensive. Now my child is raised & married. 4 years ago I finally landed a job that paid me what I made working 3 jobs. I was finally able to enjoy life a little more ( unfortunately my child is now an adult & I am able to work less) . But then 1 year after I start this good job the price of gas sky rockets & my drive to work is over an hour, because I have to go outside of my county to find a decent paying job. Now all of my "extra" money gets sucked out of my gas tank. I am now forced to car pool(which isn't easy in the nursing profession, since there is mandatory overtime & you never know when you have to stay later than your shift) I am also forced to get a second job to help defray the cost of my gas & home heating bill. So now I am once again working 2 jobs & picking up overtime at my regular job because making ends meet is very difficult. Am I bitter????? You betcha I am. Barack sees how frustrated Americans are. Hillary & McCain on the other hand want to paint a picture that doesn't exist. Nobody in Washington does anything to help the Middle Class. People are losing their houses & cars & having a hard time putting food on the table for their families. My God, people are suffering & what does the government do??? Sends you a check for $600.00 & thinks it will spark theconomy. Well George Bush, how would you like to loose you home & the life you were used to & then get handed $600.00 to put it all back together??? How could you NOT be bitter?? Hillary is running this comment into the ground & I am SO SICK of hearing it already. She knows she is behind & Barack was starting to gain on her in PA so now she has something she can dig her heels into. Maybe Barack should start bringing up Bosnia again & again & again & again & again & again!!!!How could you ever trust someone who down & out lies? She was under sniper fire my butt. I don't think voters should forget that either. Hillary is a liar. Give it a break already Hillary. I also tired of hearing about your Scranton roots... Who cares! Wake up & smell the coffee.....people are bitter & sick & tired of being raked arcoss the coals. My vote goes to Obama on April 22, he is definitely more in touch with the American people.

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auntidi — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:41:21 GMT

This whole firestorm seems rather stupid in my opinion. Anyone with any intelligence at all can figure out, based on what they know of Obama and his consistant message that he was simply calling it like it is. I'm from a small town and if you don't think Obama's words resonate with me, you sure aren't paying attention to my woes at all. Im educated, but can't find a job here. I'm without healthcare, my kids are without health care. I'm depending on food stamps just to get by, and I sure as heck can't fill up my tank and just go somewhere. Everything down to the last penny is budgeted. I not just bitter, IM MAD AS HELL!!! We are paying god knows how much to fix Iraq which we broke needlessly, and we aren't paying any attention to the home front. Clinton and Bush made all kinds of promises but they haven't born much fruit here in small town America. I'm sorry to say.

I also have been paying close attention to Obama's campaign and when I hear something that is so obviously being used as political volleyball points between the Republicans and Hillary, that Obama said that is out of sync with his consistant message, I figure that he said it badly. I watched his interview with Charlie Rose back in 2004 and he essentially said the same thing in that interview about small town America, only he put it a heck of a lot better. Voters, in my honest opinion, should realize that Obama is more about the small guy than he is about big business. He has dedicated most of his post-college life to the small guy. Hell he is a small guy. To call Obama elitist is just silly. To call Obama an honest man who see's that small town America has gotten the shaft by politicians and wants to do something about it, well now you're talking. The people that will glom onto this, and make a much bigger deal about this than it is, aren't Obama supporters, hell they aren't even Democrats. I'm not about to pole vault over mouse turds and miss the truth. I'm not going to let Republicans manipulate me, and I sure as hell am not going to trust anything that Hillary has to say. She's a proven pathological liar. If anyone is elitist its Hillary with her 107 million income, and shes a polarizing old school Washington elite. I mean would she go into a disabled person's home and work for him all day? Does she know first hand what its like to grow up without your father in your life? To be poor? Hell no!

Obama said something that is really true though, not just for PA voters, but for everyone who is feeling the hurt these days, We are fed up!

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SPORTLOCK09 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:41:57 GMT

Congratulation again NEWSWEEK for yet another damage control campaign in the favor of Obama. Has anyone else noticed that every article about politics seem to be very kind to Obama and very hard on McCain and Hilary? Then if something bad is said or Obama lies or flubs once again here is the mighty NEWSWEEK to step right in and go to bat for Obama. I have never turned to the lord because I am bitter. I have never turned to a gun because Im bitter. Infact, if anyone appears bitter I would have to say Michelle Obama seems very bitter and uncomfortable around white working class people. She looks at them as if she were looking at a bunch of diesesd people and she doesn't want to catch anything.

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auntidi — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:46:04 GMT

Another point, Even though the phrase "cling to" God and guns, whatever was used, Obama never said that was a bad thing! He is a christian and clings to his own spiritual beliefs and respects everyones right to cling to theirs. So get it right!

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Sealteam0 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:48:23 GMT

To the guy who is criticizing the author of this article:

You question the writer's credentials, but I ask you, ARE AMERICANS PISSED OFF?. DID OBAMA LIE ABOUT THAT? Are we sick of the politics that took the middle class into poverty, enriched greedy executives, made the world hate us, tricked us and got over 4000 (that is FOUR THOUSAND!!) US military men and women, our sons and daughters, killed, shipped too many of our jobs overseas, lied and spied, outed our own CIA agent, dishonored our Whitehouse by using the Oval Office for twisted sexual fantasies, held secret energy meetings and then suddenly gas prices went sky high with no explanation and Exxon-Mobile made historic profits?

While the media is leading as many as will follow by the nose with nothing issue like sentence framing, the real concerns of Americans are being downplayed or downright ignored. You are helping. Obama is trying to have a real dialogue about what is happening in this country. Sure, we aren't use to that, but isn't that what we all agree America is about? Straight, honest discussion that leads to real solutions? Desparate opponents and entreached rivals are openly admitting that this is how politics is traditionally played. You try to create fault from anything you can true or false, right or wrong. Hillary has shown that she can be vindictive and destructive. Barach has shown himself to be a unifier even in the face of negative and hateful rivals. Doesn't the quality of a person's character count anymore? Or is it loyalty to money, party, popularity or race?

None of the people in Baracks camp can say that he treated them with less than respect. Hot-Head Hillary and "Flame On" John McCain can't say the same. It's no secret that Barack Obama is a dedicated family man, who is faithful to his wife and would not do anything to belittle or embarrass Michelle or his 2 daughters. Can the Clinton household (especially Quick-Dip Bill) or John McCain lay claim to such integrity or love for their own house? They argue that they have more time in service. Look what they did with it. Obama does have fresh new ideas and it is time. We need real change. There will be challenges, but how about some new ones for a change instead of the same old dribble.

We now have Obama standing for a wide and diverse America against Hillary, Bill and John McCain. It is 3 to 1 for a reason. They have become super wealthy from a system that bleeds us dry. They don't want it to change. Foreign oil worked for McCain and it worked for the Clintons. Do you think that Al Gore would have been serious about climate change and energy alternatives. YES! That's why they stole the election from him. McCain didn't mind. The Clintons kept their powerful friends and we all went to the cleaners.

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tiredofthepress — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:48:30 GMT

Charles Smith wrote:Newly declassified documents show that President Bill Clinton personally approved the transfer to China of advanced space technology that can be used for nuclear combat.

The documents show that in 1996 Clinton approved the export of radiation hardened chip sets to China. The specialized chips are necessary for fighting a nuclear war.

"Waivers may be granted upon a national interest determination," states a Commerce Department document titled "U.S. Sanctions on China."

"The President has approved a series of satellite related waivers in recent months, most recently in November, 1996 for export of radiation hardened chip sets for a Chinese meteorological satellite," noted the Commerce Department documents.

These special computer chips are designed to function while being bombarded by intense radiation. Radiation hardened chips are considered critical for atomic warfare and are required by advanced nuclear tipped missiles.

Judicial Watch obtained the documents through the Freedom of Information Act, a Washington-based political watchdog group.

Several documents were withheld from release by the U.S. Commerce Department for commercial and personal privacy exemptions, but none of the documents were withheld for national security reasons. Judicial Watch is expected to appeal the withholdings.

Decade of Betrayal

U.S. intelligence sources stated that the newly released documents illustrate the extent to which the Clinton White House placed trade – and trade with China specifically – above national security.

"In all likelihood we will be glowing in the dark before we discover the true extent of the Clinton decade of betrayal," stated Rick Fisher, Asian Security Fellow at the Center for Security Policy.

"If it was indeed intended for a new PRC weather satellite, then it is possible that it was used for their new polar orbit weather satellites. This is significant because the Chinese themselves acknowledge that their polar orbit weather satellites directly contribute to their long-range missile targeting capability. This becomes even more important for their new smaller but more accurate warheads, used on their new DF-31, DF-31A, DF-5 Mod2 and JL-2 missiles. If they encounter significant weather, warhead accuracy degrades, reducing their utility," stated Fisher.

"Inasmuch as similar U.S. military weather satellites perform the same missions, the Clinton Administration had to have known they were assisting a PLA strategic military capability," concluded Fisher.

In addition, the Chinese military is clearly interested in acquiring advanced radiation hardened computer chips for its strategic nuclear arsenal.

U.S. Chips for PRC Nukes

Currently, China has only liquid fueled, long-range missiles, and the majority of them are based inside underground silos. These long-range rockets are reported to be "bore-sighted" – meaning the underground silos are aimed directly at target cities inside the United States.

The Chinese army is now attempting to shift its strategic nuclear arsenal to a solid-fuel "launch on command" capability. These new missiles are rail- and road-mobile and require sophisticated electronic guidance systems to accurately strike their intended targets.

As part of this upgrade, the Chinese army is also modifying its nuclear warhead designs to arm new survivable missiles such as the DF-31 and JL-2. Chinese engineers are planning to equip these new missiles with MIRV technology, allowing each missile to carry multiple nuclear warheads.

Again, the U.S. radiation hardened computer chip technology is a logical addition to the reconfiguration and upgrade of Chinese nuclear weapons.

Stolen U.S. Chips

Another critical element of the Clinton-supplied waiver is the fact that it took place during an investigation of Chinese espionage into missing U.S. radiation hardened satellite chips.

In February 1996, a Chinese Long March rocket carrying a Loral Intelsat satellite failed and crashed on lift-off. The Loral Intelsat payload was badly damaged. The Chinese intended to launch the Loral satellite into deep space as they had been paid to do by Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz.

However, fate took a twisted path, and so did the Chinese rocket. The Long March rocket failed on launch and crashed into a nearby Chinese village, killing over 200 innocent civilians. The failure of the Long March allowed the U.S. to recover the sealed satellite guidance box, which revealed the control board of radiation-hardened chips was missing.

The missing board from the Loral Intelsat satellite is no mystery. It quickly became obvious that Chinese engineers removed the special electronics and kept the board for examination. The stolen Loral electronics consist of radiation hardened, encrypted telemetry chips, stored in a secure flight control box similar to those found on airliners. The NSA changed all U.S. satellite codes as a result of the stolen Loral chips, costing American taxpayers millions of dollars.

1996 Illegal Campaign Donations

Another factor involved in the November 1996 waiver issued by then-President Clinton is the fact that illegal money entered the U.S. elections from the Chinese army. The money was donated to the DNC from a variety of sources including convicted Chinagate figures John Huang, Charlie "Yah-Lin" Trie and Johnny Chung.

The 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign readily accepted much of the money from the Chinese army sources without question, and in some cases took these donations in cash. The allegations of Chinese espionage and illegal campaign donations were never investigated properly.

The successful effort by China to obtain U.S. microchip technology included espionage, sabotage and perhaps bribery. The red intelligence windfall freed the Chinese army to more accurately target American cities with atomic weapons using advanced U.S technology.

The legacy that President Clinton left for the 21st century is a modern Chinese army equipped for global nuclear war.

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SPORTLOCK09 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:48:53 GMT

People, People....

What are you smoking on? First of all, now we bash Hilary because her father didnt abandon her as a child? Is that were we are today, really? Thats like me saying I cant relate to Obama and wont vote for him because he doesn't know what its like having a father in the house.

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vince in texas — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:52:48 GMT

Words do indeed matter to quote an Obama supporter. Well, Obama's words are not what will bring this country together. He has already split the Democratic party. We would be way ahead in the polls if he would have just dropped off the ticket. He CAN NOT win the general election. i will never vote for him and I have never voted for a Republican, And no, you Obama supporters...I'm not a racist...I just don't like or trust the man. The super delegates had better realize that he is not presidential material before we have another Republican administration for yet another 4 years!

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auntidi — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:57:21 GMT

Michelle is beautiful and much more eloquent than Hillary. In fact, its simply jealousy that keeps people talking about how she looks. She's an amazing orator in her own right, and I think that people who haven't actually heard the woman speak, with such compassion and intelligence about the plight of the poor, are expression racial hatred. Now if you want to talk about dirty and fake looks, I'd say that Hillary is the winner of the ugly contest. Her face gets all puffy and ugly looking when she's mad. And there is a look in her eyes that gives me the shivers. Like she'd commit murder if she could. She's a do or say anything to get elected president. And I say shame on her!

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freshprince — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:57:34 GMT

Because we live in this wonderful country with our freedom of speech, you are more than welcome to express your opinions (jethro706 and drsyk01), as is jackjack. However, that does not necessarily make your opinions right. (By the way, my opinion is not necessarily correct either.) However, I agree with jackjack. I often feel disenfranchised becuse our elected officials make decisions that I do not agree with. And yes, sometimes I'm bitter. But instead of stewing in my bitterness, I allow it to galvanize me into action. I write my representatives and participate in all aspects of our voting process. I believe we live in a country where an individual can make a difference, and that belief keeps me going.

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auntidi — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:58:21 GMT

Hillary is the one splitting the party! She doesn't have a chance in hell of winning but she's running a scorched earth campaign and Im ashamed of her.

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Kaps0957 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:01:02 GMT

Obama needs only to remember this one thing. "No weapons formed against him shall prosper!!"

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Magnolia7 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:01:34 GMT

Give me a break....this is ridiculous. Hiliary Clinton has said and DONE much worst than this. My support for Obama has not changed, although my disgust with the Clintons has surely grown. Elitist?? Hiliary Clinton hasn't lived in the real world for over 25 years. She makes tens of millions of dollars a year. Who is the REAL elitist??

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Magnolia7 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:05:04 GMT

I for one AM BITTER!!! And yes, I do turn to God in times of despair as well as joy. What did he say that was so bad? He was merely saying that people turn to what they know, what they enjoy, what is familiar....whether it be hunting, praying or whatever. Who the hell cares????? Let's hear what Clinton's plan is for healthcare...the real one....not the make believe one she will sell you during a campaign.

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incredulo — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:06:29 GMT

who gets offended is not important...if there is truth to the comments does... and in my view, yes, people rather cling to what they think make then strong than to ask why's and how's which may shake their views and the excuses of how they have lived their life... pride and selfright some times goes hand and hand with careless ignorance of any other possible worlds, people, circunstances or just plain different ways of thinking for solutions, and goverment and politicians intead of promoting debates and putting people to think will rather manipulate then with nationalism and religious nonsense...and nonsense beacuse they are telling you how to feel and act here in earth and in heaven

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FreedM — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:07:38 GMT

Elitist or not, Obama's right on target with this observation.

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JTCD — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:12:25 GMT

Guys, Guys, it was not Obama who made the bitter comment, it was Hillary in disguise. Newsweek, CNN and MSNC figured it out already. Why haven't the rest of you? That explains why Hillary is the one getting the heat over Obama's hateful elitist comments. Give me a break! I applaud paople of all races who support Obama. After it is the whites who should be angry the most. He made a beautiful speech in which speech he calls them all racist and they applauded him for it. He further insults all white women by call them "typical white racist". Still they applaud him. He insults the middle class and demean them and still they applaud him. I'M IMPRESSED. The whites have really progressed, I never thought I'd see the day when a black man, could insult the white man and not only get away with it, but he gets paid to do more, by the very same white man. Only in America. Sign...

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vince in texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:12:51 GMT

RE:Missy 522. You have an MBA and spell and write like that? So much for the educated Obama supporters. I beg to wonder...where are those educated Obama supporters getting their diplomas?

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VoteResponsibly08 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:15:37 GMT

Give the American People some credit! Your words were condecending and saying "I regret but"

is really not good enough! Obama seems to think that he is to high and mighty for appologies.

He gives speeches instead or "I regret but...and points out he is correct!! I am getting a little sick of his condecending ways. He has the nerve to call Hillary Anie Oakley yet god forbid if she would call him any name..she would have to bow down at his feet with appologies. obama's is an Anti-American Supporter and his words are very important as he claimed previously. His words are a litany of complaints against America. Who wants a president that looks down on the people!

Stop drinking this mans koolaid.. His Association with Wright, Farrakhan and Ayers is enough to

be very concermn, his litany of complaints of America coinsides to what he told the San Francisco elite! Did he think he was going to get away with everything? Did he think the people were going to reamin as the Jones followers? No more of Obama's koolaid!

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mister_o — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:19:02 GMT

I don't see Obama's "bitterness" comment being any different than Bill Clinton's "I fell your pain."

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VinceCrooks — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:19:12 GMT

Obama was right. How else do we explain the high rash of murders and killings that have happened in small towns all across the country? People in these small towns have been quoted as saying how "they never thought such things would happen" there. There is a DEEP bitterness, not only in these small towns but in the ghettos and urban areas all across the country. The problem with his statement is that the MSM has been propping up Hillary Clinton's assertions and fanning the flames of mischaracterization.

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mrockefeller11 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:19:56 GMT

Bitter? .... to quote a good person who understands what they are talkig about.... "Why should voters anywhere be bitter about unemployment, a collapsing housing market, "underwater" mortgages that in many cases were sold to them by bankers who lied in their teeth about the nature of the mortgage (although it's the homeowners who are now being blamed for believing them), jobs being outsourced overseas, and an endless war that's draining our country's economy with no end in sight, and no prospect of achieving "success," or even knowing exactly what constitutes success, anytime soon? " unquote.

I know when times are hard, I CLING to my family, my religion, and dislike others who come here to take my jobs

Obama 2008

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Jillie — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:20:21 GMT

so, if people have jobs, they don't attend church, go hunting, or want safe borders? so, people with money don't care about social issues? anyway you look at these remarks, they are demeaning, condescending, and arrogant.

obama was trying to 'explain' to his latte liberals why he hasn't been able to win over this group of americans. now, all he has to do is look in the mirror.

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brunolupus — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:22:32 GMT

How can you not be bitter at how this counrtry is being run. When we are led intop war by lies, when Congress spends time passing legislation that names post offices instead of passing legislation on the major issues such as immigration, health care, when our taxes are sent overseas and we are told that there isn't enough money for social security. You damn right i'm bitter. It is Clinton and McCain that have it wrong.

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t5bNC — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:22:39 GMT

Was it an 'Elitist' comment? No, it was using stereotyping for polical postering.

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VoteResponsibly08 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:23:07 GMT

JTCD...Yeah!!! Obama is not a lier..Yeah WRIGHT!

obama did not mean to be condecending..Oh did we forget he was not talking to the people he was putting down, but to the elite of San Francisco? Oh Poor obama, his words are so important to him..poor guy! He supports Wright his preacher and mentor for twenty years but never ever heard

or knew how Wright really felt about America..Poor Obama his judgement is not so good..how can we possibly blame poor little ole Obama? He is inocent of all charges, it's the racists people that

accuse him and always pick on him..Poor little ole obama!!! Who has association with three Ant-Americans but he probably does not know they are anti-american..Poor little ole Obama..

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One American Voice — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:24:02 GMT

One good thing that may come out of "bitter-gate" is that it draws attention to the Republican playbook.

I've always wondered how people with economic hardships (and pay taxes on top of that) vote for Republicans whose economic policies favor big business and more than the voters. The big business owners and executive are a minority of the electorate. By themselves they cannot elect the politicians to help their economic interests. It is the working class people who do that for them.

Instead of voting in their OWN best economic interests, the working class voters actually elect politicians who help the elite get richer. That doesn't make any logical sense. Apparently, the Republicans know their constituents' psychology, better than their constituents. What's more, they don't tell their voters how (or why) they do what they do. The voters see their net worth decrease and get mad.

Then somebody with a name like Obama comes along and in a clumsy way draws attention to the Republican (and Clinton) playbook. Yeah, Obama will take a hit for this (we'll see how "skinny but tough" he really is). But I hope he draws enough fire to showcase how the rich have bettered disproprotiately from the working class voters' choices.

I do hope that offended voters will turn their frustrations with Obama's statement into curiosity about how Republicans do what they do. I hope angry voters will then turn off the TV and pick up a book like "What's the matter with Kansas?" and really inform themselves about what the REAL elites have been doing to them.

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t5bNC — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:28:32 GMT

Senator Obama cant help but stereotype all americans. Typical white person, cling to their guns and religion, and xenophobes. People that choose to support the constitution and beleive in the laws of the United States are at fault? Wow we must be gullable.

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Sealteam0 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:33:06 GMT

HOLD THE DOG GONE PHONE!!!

One thing that I find really laughable is that there are people continuously claiming that the media is soft on Obama and hard on Hillary and McCain. INCREDIBLE!!

Hillary had punk assed Elton John insult our country just to get votes and not one news agency or network noticed. She got really busted in a hugh lie about Bosnia. Bill reiterated the lie and no one called it Bosnia-Gate. You have to search with a magnifying glass to read anything critical of John McCain. There just isn't enough room here to site examples. You get the point.

Every Obama word that Hillary decries is immediately ratcheted into a major news phenomenon. Were clips of Hillary's balled faced lies (Hillary lied about Bosnia on 4 different ocassions. Bill lied about it again just last week) rebroadcast near as much as Obama's arguably poorly stated yet absolutely true statement? Real people on this message board are telling you they ARE bitter!

The media isn't going to give our government back to us. Why are we trusting them for what to focus on? They're, with a few exceptions, just interested in ratings. People like Obama are standing up and saying that we, as voters, have to take our government back.

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mrrob — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:33:09 GMT

Why are people so afraid of this man? I hate to say it, but he is a smart guy. And no, he probably didn't grow up drinking beer in a bowling alley or carrying a lunchpail to a construction site. But he is the most compassionate, thoughtful leader to come along in a LONG time. And while lots of dim people (I'm elitist and use some them fancy big words sometimes too) will do ANYTHING to ALLEGE that he: hates america; hates poor people, is secretly muslim; etc. etc. -- no reasonably bright person who's interested in what's TRULY the case -- instead of THEIR SIDE WINNING at all costs -- can say these things are true. But the truth isn't as fun as taboid politics, division, demonizing and damning everyone else to hell. So we get the government we deserve. And we are where we are today -- in the wrong war, in a huge deficit, attack politics raging, near a recession, because we are, as a public not voting with sincerity or humilty. Read some blog posts on both sides. It's terrifying. We have the govenment we deserve. The government that Rush & Hannity & O'Reilly & Rove scared everyone into having. And we, yes, the dim-witted, chest-thumping, scaredy-cats, took the bait. So the jobs are leaving and we're in a quagmire in Iraq -- but as long as we can blame the gays and the liberals and the media, and everyone else, we can avoid blaming ourselves. Maybe it's time to be "bad-ass" enough to look in the mirror.

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VoteResponsibly08 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:33:12 GMT

Obama... don't think you have taken all of Americans.. Not all are fools!

We got your number! The gig is up!!!

We all know how you feel and your association with Anti-Americans is not a good recommendation on your job application!

Wright: A man that vomits hatred towards America

Farrakhan: A man that hates whites

William Ayers: A man that was an undergrown terrorist!

Wright and Farrakhan varmits that yell out hatred towards America and who have visted our enemies? Scary!!!

Obama who with his elequent speeches diversts the real issues of hatred towards America and it people to racism.. You have brought us back 40 years..We were beyond all this, we proved it in Iowa!!!! You let Axelrod manipulate you into getting in that racial bandwagon, you let Wright into mentoring you for Twenty years and that is why you say the things you do..These are slips, I wonder if we gave you a Truth Pill, what you would say About our Country and its people.....

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1TexasDem — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:42:00 GMT

He walks with his 'nose' stuck in the air. He talks with his nose stuck in the air. ALL of us aren't fools Obama. Not only do you think you are better than 'us' working class folks, you are sexist. I guess it is okay for you to go to a bar and have a beer BUT it isn't okay for Hillary to do the same?? WHY Obama?? Is it because she is a woman?? Sure it is!! Your 'teflon' is washing away. That's what happens when ya buy cheap. You are cheap Obama! You are Wright but not in a good way.... I pray every day we have Hillary in this race. God help us if you are the nominee. What a two-faced man you are Obama. WHY DON'T YOU STEP ASIDE and let us have a chance to have a good Democrat in the White House!

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fiskers — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:43:41 GMT

Obama, may very well have !OOPS! shown his true self, in speaking to a closed invitation only meeting in WHERE? -San Francisco. It is very interesting that nothing of this kind of stereotyping has been heard anywhere else he has been. Is he a real polititian after all? My daughter saw him speak and was enraptured, like most people are, who adore beautiful, well spoken speeches people who appear to have an edge educationally speaking. I have been and remain, skeptical, believing that he is a champion chameleon, like everyone else who runs for President. He simply speaks better, that's all. Additionally, his cronies through-out his faith and friend life belie, what he spoke in San Francisco. Don't let the media fool you this time as well!

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dissertator08 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:44:09 GMT

I am a Hillary supporter. But, I oppose the media referring to this as Bittergate. We don't need to "gate" every gaffe.

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Jon of Northern Califia — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:47:12 GMT

Excellent analysis, Andrew.

As an Obama supporter, I assume good intentions, and translate Obama's abbreviated SF statement accordingly.

Whereas someone who already distrusts Obama will interpret the words negatively, injecting all kinds of implications, most unintentional. Words like "bigot" never came out of Obama's mouth, but his enemies sure are trying like mad to force them in there.

I wish the Media was less reactionary and more deliberative. Sick of the fire and brimstone bs.

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suzyku — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:49:35 GMT

This is s0000000000000 rediculous! I cannot believe how many "fools" are actually buying the hillarycrite logic! Talk about elitist, $109 million dollars, or mccain with 8 houses! Give me a break! Anyone who votes for either of those people is voting for the same thing we've had for the last miserable bush years!

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underdog — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:58:11 GMT

Please, what does it take to move the reporting press to actual issues and away from" he said, she said" crap? Is the news being reported by high schoolers? Do they think it is being done for highschoolers? Do the qualifications for being a reporter require you to be brain dead? Is must be a requirement for Newsweek. Obama used a poor choice of words. He is talking all day long. Something that sounds goofy is bound to slip out. End of story, Move on.

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PolitkNMe — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:00:29 GMT

The longer that Obama speaks the more revealing his comments are. I am a registered Democrat but if Obama is the Democrat nominee I will feel safer voting for McCain. You can hear in the tone of his voice Obama feels he already lives in the White House; his true colors are coming out. He is letting his guard down and showing us his true self.

Just let his wife talk and you will notice. She is so eager to let the American people know that she has money, she forgets that her husband is trying to represent a country in a recession.

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yupik1 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:01:22 GMT

Vote for the President that will tell you how to think..Vote Hillary Clinton...Flash back to that commercial where Hillary was portrayed spewing her rhetoric on a jumbo-tron, and the citizens were all dressed the same. Sure doesn't seem to be that far-fetched. I think the American people are 'ENTITLED' to their own opinion on Obama's statements. We don't NEED her to tell us how we should feel about anyone. As a public servant, she's supposed to "listen" to what the public wants. It doesn't work the other way around...Otherwise, it's elitist for her to believe she can tell us what to think.

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cheezbiscuit — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:06:21 GMT

The only people who are bitter about this comment are majority white people. He speaks the TRUTH. Black people back in the 40's 50's 60's were BITTER, FRUSTRATED, and ANGRY about the way they were treated by the US Government, KKK, and other racist white people. The only thing they had to hold on to WAS THEIR FAITH, THE BIBLE and EACH OTHER. There is nothing wrong with that. Nowadays people can't handle truth. They just crawl into a corner LIKE A CHILD when the truth is being told to them. WHAT IF GOD HIMSELF SAID THAT STATEMENT ABOUT SMALL TOWN AMERICA OR ANY AMERICAN? WILL YOU CALL GOD AN ELITIST? THINK BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION. REMEMBER GOD IS TRUTH!

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Waverunr — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:08:45 GMT

Blame the democrats for not coming up with a better system for having a front runner so far into the process. Blame the republicans for being so far to the right that oil companies get more benefits from our government than the poor people they create. I am a bush Democrat and I am so frustrated with the fact that the democrats may prop up another Kerry or Gore and we all end up voting for the lesser of two evils like we have for the past two elections. Our country has lost the economic edge that we once had, we've lost jobs, respect, prestige, and our economy under this ' Bush Administration'. The republicans deserve to suffer after they left so many of their party behind for the benefit of the few. Bush leaves a mess behind, far bigger than any other president could image. Time will show that Nixon was a saint compared to this guy. The Democrats are going to blow a golden opportunity by not putting forward their best candidate. What a dilemma when one candidate get the rural vote and the other gets the urban city vote. Is this a race or is it about race? Does anyone dare to stand up and say that if one candidate was white or the other was a man that this problem would not exist? The democrats need to put forward the best candidate. Not the one that has the right color or the right sex. This country has so many significant issues facing it that it can not afford to make an error in judgment. I do not think that Obama has the right skills to run this country and solve it's problems. If he is the democrats choice I will be back on the cliff choosing the lesser of the two evils. The Clinton's may have torched a few bridges in Washington but they did not burn their bridges with the people that elected them. The very fact that so many do not want them should be a clue that they in fact do represent the people and not the special interests that line the pockets of those that are weak and greedy.

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jerryalb — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:08:49 GMT

once again an excellent analysis Andrew. the only thing you missed was commentary on the unique, in politics anyway, way Obama has handled the controversy.

Obama hasn't said he was taken out of context, or that he mis-spoke; rather he came right out and said he 'should have been more clear, but what he said was essentially true."

for the second time in as many months Obama has shown a willingness to tackle controversy head-on. he doesn't disseminate, waffle, or triangulate he confronts controversy directly. it may be boring to cover this guy for the MSM if he's elected, but this is the kind of person we deserve in the White House. Honest and straightforward

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gp_in_orlando — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:09:03 GMT

Shame on the press and everyone who has distorted this slight verbal gaffe. We are electing a President this year. We need a good one. If we let ourselves be misled by such trivial non-issues, others will lead us elsewhere.

We were sold George W. Bush like a tube of toothpaste. In 2004 he was reelected due to well-funded lies and the many, many echoes of journalists who retold the lies.

I wonder sometimes if we still have a free and objective press. If so, they are not serving us.

Shame on whoever attempted to coin "Bittergate". You do us a disservice.

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pmcs — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:11:52 GMT

Romano's selection of title for this article makes it clear that he is for Clinton and against Obama. You don't have to waste time reading for things are quite clear.

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macpoet@msn.com — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:15:29 GMT

I'm quite confused on some people's reaction to these comments made by Barack Obama. I cannot even began to understand how anyone feels that those comments were condescending at all. I listened to and read his statement over and over again, trying to be objective as possible, and have since come to this conclusion: anyone who takes his comments in a negative way has to fit in to 3 categories.

1. A die-hard Clinton supporter who just wants a way for her possibly win.

2. A die-hard republican who may or may not support McCain, but obviously doesn't want a democrat in the office and of course it would be easier to run against Hillary.

3. Possibly a racist who can't stand the thought of possibly having a minority as President.

When you read the statements without any political bias, there is no way you can say he is an elitist, or demeaning in any way. He has gone into a lot of these small towns and actually spoken with some of these "bitter" people, and it is those conversations from which that comment was derived.

I mean, Isn't it true that these small towns once had huge mills, steel plants, etc. that enabled people to start working right out of high school with a stable, good-paying job? Haven't most of those jobs been gone now for around 25 years, severely hurting the economy, lowering the average income, and increasing the unemployment rate in these small towns? As a result of that, don't a lot of the younger people tend to move closer to the big cities so that they can have solid career? In turn, wouldn't the population in these towns continue to dwindle year after year? As the population of a town decreases, doesn't that began to hurt the economy there even more?

So now like some Obama critics, I might be out of touch, so I am asking; When this happens in a town, what kind of person doesn't have a problem with it? What kind of person would not be at least a little bitter? And in turn, what kind of person gets bitter and doesn't cling to something dear to them? Please enlighten me.

And if you live in one of these small towns were this is not the case; where there are still jobs and people are not bitter, please reread the statement made by Obama. He said "most of the these small towns," not all. So then this statement was not about you in the first place and you have no reason to be "bitter" about it.

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pruettjohn — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:16:31 GMT

I cant believe that thi sis such an issue! He meant that small town americans vote for religious and gun values because the economy isnt represented. Yes, it sounds bad but can we vote for another awful republican to ruin our country? Will we vote for Hillary who will throw Bill, Chelsea or anyone else under the bus to get in? Lets show our displeasure but remember the dangers of electing the wrong person.

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arepublicaninthefold — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:16:42 GMT

First off, that was a fine article Andrew. I found it well informed and stated the issue succinctly and accurately. My only gripe would be the "Bittergate" thing...kind of melodramatic.

However, my comment is mostly about the comments. If I had to go strictly on the content of most of these comments, I would have to come to the conclussion that most of these people haven't read the article. I might even ask, "Is one campaign of the other paying you to come plug their candidate?" Try relating your comments on the content of the article and its connotations to the campaign, instead of getting angry (by the way, most of you need to read article "Memo to Democrats: Grow Up."

As far as the Obama "Elitist" accussation goes, I find it difficult to believe that anyone could have read/heard Obama's comments and not taken the meaning that Andrew lays out in his second scenario. Anyone who took the first view, did so willingly and for a reason (Hillary/McCain...to blast him).

Sincerely,

A Republican who is seriously considering voting for Obama because my party, Reagan's party has been hijacked by those who cannot rightfully claim to be Republicans, or even republicans.

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Dhristi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:19:32 GMT

Obama represents change. Therefore, labeling Obama as an elitist is a misnomer. Obama worked a good portion of his life in the inner cities of Chicago helping the poorest of the poor to help them stay off drugs and give them hope to live a better life and live the American dreams. Obama is also a devout Christian who understands and appreciates the value of religion. taking his few lines of a private party and trying to twist and turn them to gain political advantage by either of the other two candidates show how we are trying to kill the true American spirit. Not so much the cadidates, but the campaign managers who are hired to assist the candidates in helping them with the campaign, need to tone down. When the leadership is taken over by the advisors and the subordinates, it is of a grave concern to the country and is a test of true leadership who volunteer to become victims of such a scheme. Go Obama go, America is with you all the way to the white house, those that are not, will understand the value of your leadership once they get to see the results. Wish you all the best.

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:22:06 GMT

Obama was simply referring to the frustrated, hard working,American, middle class, who is very patriotic, and can see when their Country needs changes.

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ApostasyUSA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:22:35 GMT

Not Bitter about not having Health Care, or seeing your Jobs Shipped Overseas, or having your Homes Foreclosed on?

Sounds to me the only folks who wouldn't be bitter would have to be elitists themselves.

Just for comparison:

John McCain: Net worth $44 million, owns 8 houses

Hillary and Bill: $109 million since 2000, Hillary's "Blue Collar" Scranton roots actually a Summer Vacation Home.

Barack Obama: Best year $1.6 million in 2005, doesn't even make the list of 50 richest in Congress, graduated from Harvard Law and took a job Organizing Unemployed Steel Workers for about $8,000/yr.

So who exactly is the bigger "Elitist" ?

I guess I would call myself “optimist”, but right now I’m more “mad” than anything. I’ll vote for Obama, but I’ll also vote for Hillary. I am a Democrat. Even if Obama doesn’t win the election I’m still glad he’s out there……same with Hillary….

Republicans are sad; an angry tragedian…the worst America has to offer….

We have yet to endure the tactical and strategic blunder that the war in Iraq really is.

I know! Why don't we bomb other countries that have schools, water, power, and police for their people? We can quickly lower the population, while creating enemies for our industrial military complex? How's that sound Republicans?

Bush Sees "Defining Moment" In Iraq? He saw WMD, Al Qaeda; mobile weapons labs, terrorist training facilities, missiles that could reach New York, 45-minute ready chemical weapons, none of which were there.

What he will see is his legacy and his Parties demise, but at least I got my $600 “economic stimulus” check from China!!

You wanna get some Republicans?....lets go.........other wise go sit in the corner with your talking point spewing fallacy of a constituency.....

The great Rousseau said it:

"...Conservatives have learned nothing and forgotten nothing"

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olderwiser — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:25:18 GMT

Visited a bar and drank whiskey. Whiskeygate. Drank some beer. Beergate. Sort of a foolish pandering for a lady to indulge in for a vote. Pandergate. Lushgate. Being a lady with 109 million in the pocket. Filthyrichgate. Married to a philanderer. Zippergate. Bitter about losing so much to an unexpected competitor. Bittergate. Saying anything to try to get back on top. Blathergate. We can just try to tear people down and get nowhere. Let's either go back to the real problems that this country faces and get with a presentation of the solutions so that we can at least have a chance to make an intelligent vote. Then, if the country tanks, anyway, we can say that someone at least gave us a chance to vote well, and that we had something to work with to evaluate the candidates.

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8Mile — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:25:40 GMT

Amusing. The author actually attempts to explain that Obama's comments are not 'elitist' by offering the explanation that, "it's what he did in San Francisco, where he attempted to put the "alien" concerns of downscale Pennsylvania into language his upscale audience would understand." Yes, well, I guess if we the people were more upscale (i.e. elitist) we would understand why his comments should not be misconstrued as elitist.

Frankly, Clinton and Obama depend on these gaffes to provide the fodder for what passes as debate when, in reality, there is no significant difference in their platforms or ideology in terms of substance and policy.

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Sealteam0 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:26:37 GMT

Why do we just accept Hillary and the media's claim that she opposes the Colombian trade deal that her #1 campaign strategist was actively lobbying for all along. We only heard that she was against it when he got busted. All of the news agencies automatically parroted, "...a trade deal that Hillary Clinton opposes". Prove that she opposed the deal. That's journalist. Not just taking someone's word for something. Where is the investigation, the Jeremiah Wright style fact-finding? She is a lier. Bosnia ring a bell? What else would she say about the trade deal? Bill has been in the back rooms on shady deal for decades. She lied about being against NAFTA. REMEMBER? Then we saw the clips of her selling the virtues of it. Why is she getting a pass on this real issue of loyalty to American jobs while Obama is being blasted for telling the truth? I am bitter about this too!!!!

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ladykabloom — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:27:40 GMT

Elitist no ... Opportunist and liar yes ... I am not a huge supporter of any of the canadites ... but there is just something about Obama that troubles me. He opens mouth and has to resay things way to much.. We usually look at the company one keeps as to tell someones character and frankly the company he keeps is very disturbing .. A Pastor that wants to start americans fighting americans adn himself with hate speech against people who believe in their free rights to carry guns or life their life according to their faith...

First off Most Christians trust in GOD not politics or politicians and strive for God Centered Leadership whether that is Democrat or Republican but they trust in Gods Plan..

Proud Americans who believe in Gun Control understand that taking guns out of law abiding citizens dont solve gun problems they create more .... Because no matter what the criminals will get the guns no matter what the law is and if citizens loose that right criminals can just do what ever where ever they want... In the states where you are ALLOWED to carry weapons legally and unconsealed have less problems than those that do not... These people are also sensible and do not want automatic machine guns or semi automatic weapons on the streets but reasonable protection and have the right as a FREE AMERICAN to do just that...

And the illegal immagrant issue is not an issue of hate its an issue of if you wanna be here in america and reap the benefits of our system you need to come here legally and pay your fair share of taxes not just to suck the law abiding tax payer dry and take services that were ment to help them when times get tuff... Its not fair for a family who is born and raised here in the US with family paying taxes that go higher and higher to pay for welfare lines and medical bills for those who are freeloading off the system.. When many of us cant even afford decent medical treatment even with todays insurance... So Obama be yourself get the truth out and stop speaking your hearts feelings and then back peddling because you belittle most of america thinking your fooling us... We dont vote based on your Superstar friends we vote on the issues , what you plan to do about them and who you really are... I for one do not trust you and really dont care for hillary clinton but would vote for her because at least we know where she stands... You stand where ever the wind is cooler she on the other hand isnt afraid to allow herself to tell us what she has done what she will do and what she would do different ... We know who she is what she is and why she is .. we know nothing even close about you except you like to pick on those who have a lesser voice than yours ... Shame on you ... If your not for america Why run for President because you seem very against the american public,..

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An American in PA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:30:55 GMT

There is a problem with either interpretation of the comment. If the Obama interpretation is the correct one, then it presumes that economic issues should trump issues of values for voters. As Evan Bayh pointed out over the weekend, this interpretation concludes that voters have positions on issues of values only because they do not feel that their economic issues would be addressed. (Of course, there is a logical problem here as well--why would "Washington" take more notice of their values issues than their economic ones?)

This nation has from its inception onward faced economic hardship and sacrifice bravely for the sake of values. Pennsylvania--from Valley Forge to Gettysburg is rich in the history of these sacrifices. Some of us who are a bit more experienced than Mr. Obama are aware that there are economic cycles for individuals as well as for our nation. This doesn't mean we are not concerned about economic issues, but we realize that what will endure are values such as faith and freedom.

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:33:00 GMT

Why is Lou Dobbs suddenly jumping on the anti-Obama bandwagon? He usually understands the middleclass, and all the frustration we face in our daily lives.

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solarpower — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:34:51 GMT

Again, Obama's increasingly Rovian opponents accuse him of being what they themsevles are. The Clintons earned $109,000,000 the last 8 years, John McCain owns 8 houses, and Obama's now the elitist.

It's political opportunism enabled by the 24 hr news cycle. No one is even trying to go after Obama on policy anymore because they know the only way to beat him is to attack his character enough to plant sufficient doubt into the minds of voters. Thinking about this for just a minute, why does it makes sense to listen to what his opponents say about the remark, which is what caused the nontroversy in the first place? Were people offended before Clinton and later McCain told them to be offended?

I'm beginning to think some of this is not what was said but where he said it: a private fundraiser in SAN FRANCISCO, the Enemy of Small Town America as any dittohead knows. Populated by wealthy gay liberals bent on subverting our children, our values, and our precious bodily fluids, SAN FRANCISCO continues to exert its pernicious influence on Democratic politicans. SAN FRANCISCO hates guns except for the ones that have elbows and hands. SAN FRANCISCO worships no God known to the Midwest. SAN FRANCISCO is feeling too super to be bitter.

If Obama--any politician--learns anything from this, it's that nothing is ever private, and that words must be chosen carefully at all times, or else one gets an expensive ticket from the PC police.

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HigherMinds — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:36:33 GMT

Well, according an article in today's Chicago Tribune, [an Obama endorser], it seems that the Rezko trial has revealed that Obama was partying hardy with Auchi and Rezko at a fundraiser just after Obama won the US Senate seat.

All of these relationships ... each time a name is linked to Obama's, he tells the American public that he hardly knows the person in question ... wasn't in attendance when the bad things were said or happened ... etc., ad naseum ... and, as the days go by, we find out piece by tiny piece that yes, it turns out he knows them a whole lot better, etc. than he initially lets on ... and as more days go by, we find out bit by bit that in fact, they're just about best pals.

The media has really failed the American people ... they have not done their job by vetting all of the candidates thoroughly and fairly ... they've been too busy making money to do their job properly and with integrity.

If Obama somehow gains the nomination, he is going down in flames in November. Too many lies, too many obfuscations, too many tainted relationships.

Don't anyone bother listing Clinton's many failings for me ... this isn't about Clinton ... it's about Obama.

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NewsWkDickG — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:36:40 GMT

You have hit the nail on the head, it is all about how you interpret Barack's remarks and then how you see Hillary's and McCain's criticisms. Barack could have chosen his words better but then he knew his motivation and didn't feel concerned, he thought his points would be correctly understood. With Hillary and McCain, their self-interests were in control and they were/are aggressive in seeking to gain advantage. What is the proof of that besides that Barack made the presentation openly without anticipating being misinterpreted? Simply two things: one, the reasoning that he was actually being honestly empathetic and expressing sincere concern is consistent with everything else he has continually presented; second, we know, as the article points out, the history of neglect and apathy that has occurred under GWBush and WmClinton, while they deceptively manipulated to get the people's focus and conern on other issues. The article does a good job of explaining all of that. If the people truly understand it, then this issue should help Barack and hurt Hillary and McCain.

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bluknight2k — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:36:44 GMT

I wonder how man "White Men" got angry when Bill Clinton said this back in 1991 in the Sunday Los Angeles Times I quote:

“You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I’m from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they’re gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they’ve been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country’s coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, ‘What happened to everybody’s job? What happened to everybody’s income? What … have … you … done … to … our … country?’”

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:36:58 GMT

Hillary Rodham-Clinton is definitely an elitest. How else could she become a carpetbagging New York Senator from Arkansas? Oh, that's right, her Chairman gave the Clinton's a loan to purchase their home under the deadline.

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Evanmack — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:42:14 GMT

Deconstructing Bittergate--Why take time to do so, when YOU the media constructed it. I mean, come on--a campaign with 1.3 millions donors is not an elitist. Hell yeah I am bitter--media is scared and wants to take down this candidacy. Is it a coincidence that Obama gave a speech on capping CEO execs money. How much does MSNBC's CEO make, or the other 24-hour news people making this BS into news worthy material.

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Dhristi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:42:50 GMT

It appears that the English dictionary contains more words today than fifty years ago. Therefore, we choose words like liberation instead of occupation, youthful indiscretion instead of having sex, and elitist instread of a ***. Shame on to those who are trying to be creatively subtle to remain politically correct. Open up your heart and embrace the truth. Doesn't religion teach us, "To err is human, to forgive divine." A slip of tongue needs to be forgiven and forgotten and poor choice of words cannot be equated to misspokenness. Don't spread the lie to pollute the minds of those who are decent hardworking people.

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bluknight2k — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:45:27 GMT

I wonder how man "White Men" got angry when Bill Clinton said this back in 1991 in the Sunday Los Angeles Times I quote:

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bluknight2k — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:46:02 GMT

I wonder how man "White Men" got angry when Bill Clinton said this back in 1991 in the Sunday Los Angeles Times I quote:

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AussieGem — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:47:23 GMT

I am just a casual observer, but I believe that Mr. Obama was pretty much right on.

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ademsko — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:58:45 GMT

I am from small town Pennsylvania. Barrak Obama hit the nail on the head. I moved out of Pennslvania three years ago. I have tried to explain to people time and time again the bitter attitude that exists back home.

If they are taking Obama's comments as an attack, they are just in denial.

I have been to Ohio, and it is the same. It is depressing. There needs to be change. Whether any of these candidates will be able to do anything to help is very unlikely. At least someone brought it out in the open.

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ALL POLITICANS ARE F'N LIARS — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:59:45 GMT

LETS FACE IT PEOPLE. EVERY CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION IS FULL OF BS! I FOR 1 AM TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT CLINTON, OBAMA, & MCCAIN. IF THIS COUNTRY IS EVER GOING TO BE FIXED WE NEED TO VOTE FOR THE AVERAGE JOE. STOP VOTEING FOR WHO HAS THEIR FACE ON THE TUBE THE MOST & WHICH ONE LIS THE BEST! THEY ARE ALL FULL OF S*IT. AS YOU CAN TELL I AM NOT USING THE BIG PHRASES & WORDS LIKE MOST OF YOU ARE. I AM 1 OF THESE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS & BITTER. I WILL NOT BE WASTING MY TIME THIS ELECTION YEAR VOTEING FOR 1 OF THESE LIARS. THIS WILL BE THE 1ST ELECTION I HAVE NOT VOTED IN SINCE BEING ABLE TO CAST A VOTE. MAYBE IF WE AS A COUNTRY COULD STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER & AGREE ON THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS FAILING US YEAR AFTER YEAR WE COULD TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK BUT NO INSTEAD WE SIT BEHIND OUR COMPUTER & INSULT EACH OTHER. HOW ABOUT WE EXPRESS OUR REAL CONCERNS OPENLY & START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF VOTEING FOR THE RICH EVERY ELECTION. DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE NOTHING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS BUT STICK IT TO US. THE MEDIA & RICH WANT ALL OF US TO DISAGREE OVER STUPID SH*T. THE MOST IMPORATANT THINGS TO PEOPLE SHOULD BE THEIR FREEDOM & RIGHT TO LIVE WITHOUT TYRANTS & IN MY OPINION THAT IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE AS LONG AS WE ALL CONTINUE TO FIGHT OVER IMMIGRANTS, RACE & RELIGION. IT'S TIME TO STAND UP AMERICA WE NEED OUR COUNTRY BACK BEFORE CHINA TAKES IT FROM US!!

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Tiggertwo — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:05:10 GMT

Obama is not an elitist and Hillary and McCains critizism of his "bitter" comments is "much adou about nothing" Any sensible person would understand that most people who have found themselves out of work because of a plant closing or something similar could become quite bitter, and of course they do not believe that Washington has done anything to help, nor do they expect anything from Washington in the furture. I totally understood Obama's comments and what I think needs to happen is that the news media needs to get off of this, this is not a story, basically, it is impossible for Hillary or McCain, or for that matter some journalists , to find anything against Obama, so they resort to this non issue. Really! Get over it!

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MJPD345 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:05:16 GMT

THIS is what the hullaballu is about ? Don't waste my time. I agree with what he said. Typical everyday working Americans have no representation in Government. It's all about PAC's and Business interests.. Look at the current Administration. We couldn't do any worse. It's all about Halliburton and Blackwater and Exxon and God knows who else. I haven't decided because I'm conservative and frankly disgusted with George Bush and especially " Dick " Cheney . What an Ogre. We have got to have someone in position to represent "US"The good folks.

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orion410 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:07:30 GMT

I don't think Obama's comments are offensive to me. As someone running for public office, I feel they don't go far enough. So here is one working class american's view on one of the most popular topics today.

Big Oil - Not too long ago when oil was running about $80.00 a barrel and gas was spiking $2.50 a gallon, Congress brought in the big oil chiefs and questioned them on their exuberant profits and asked if this was fair to the average American. We were all told it was and the underlying reason for price spikes was not the price of crude, but lack of refineries. Now gas is over $3.25 a gallon and refineries aren't to blame, its world consumption. My point is, its greed and it exists in every problem the average amnerican has today. Frankly, no one in power knows or cares about an average american unless he has a war to fight somewhere. There is no comsumer protection, no retirement protection, no wage protection and no security protection. Only lobbyist buying protection for selected groups fortunate enough to place resources in the Washingtron wallet. America has been sold out and neither party is going to do anything to help John Q. Public,

Consertive? Lliberal? These are buzz words intended to through John Q. Stupid off track and away from the unseen enemy, which is this Oligarchy in power today. And the funny thing is, most ordinary people don't want to do anything about politics or our ruling parties until they start to worry about food. And by the time this government is through, thats where we will be. If terrorist could kill every politician in washington and no harm one "common man", I would do nothing to stop them. Does anyone beside me ever wonder how many soliders would be in Iraq, if they had an opportunity at a real life here at home. So how bad is it you ask? I love this country, but I hate every piece of american politics right now and I don't see it getting any better. Where's Ross Perot or some other coined kook when we need him. I'm white, in my 40's, a catholic, registered republican, and I am voting for Obama because he is the closest thing to someone different that's being offered. And the only fear I have in that, is that this oligarchy I mentioned, will probably kill him if he's elected...

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Jena — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:09:50 GMT

Now if only the MSM would focus on Hillary's comments reported in the NY Sun 4/14:

As the Clinton campaign pressed the case against Mr. Obama, reports surfaced of similar comments made by both Clintons to explain voter concerns about issues like religion, guns, and immigration. In an article on Time.com in November, for example, Mrs. Clinton was quoted as saying: "During the 1990s, I cannot remember being asked about immigration. Why? Because the economy was working. And average Americans didn't have to go around looking for others to blame."

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ALL POLITICANS ARE F'N LIARS — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:13:04 GMT

WELL SAID ORION.

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TeeBone — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:14:33 GMT

While Obama's comment about "bitter" voters might have been poorly stated, at least he isn't a freakin' liar like Clinton. Sniper fire - HA - what a tale!!! Oh yeah, then there's the one about how she negotiated internationally on major policy initiatives while First Lady. And did you hear she's a gun enthusiast now? Please oh please will people see her for the self-serving panderer that she is. I used to say people get what they deserve when it comes to voting. I don't feel that way anymore because a lot of other goobers got me George Bush for a second term - not only did I not ask for the first dose of him, I SURELY didn't ask for a second dose of the Great Decider and his sidekick the Troll of Darkness. Please spare me Hillary Clinton, the Entitled One.

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Dhristi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:16:36 GMT

For better or worse, America is at an inflection point today. Political awareness is greater, global awareness is deeper, interracial interaction is closer, level of frustration is higher, old schoolers are fewer, generation Xers are larger. The awareness deficit that was absent to make our democracy more effective is back. Nothing to misconstrue Obama's words by opponents will much matter and will only echo back to their ears to make them feel guilty of their political intentions.

America is on the verge of a new beginning to make this generation focus more on the higher faculties of human than to merely live as surviving human beings. Obama's change message is reflective of this slogan for us all, bitter, sweet, and sour people.

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tephraim — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:18:07 GMT

Its great to here fellow Americans think for themselves and accepting the truth in spite of the media's spin on this. He was telling the truth.......with an expanded vocabulary. How refreshing.

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NMartinez — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:19:51 GMT

I love how all the Obama supporters, especially the media, as in this very article, are so quick to explain away every misstatement, every hole he falls in, every racists act he commits, every misstep Obama makes unconscienciously but deliberately. You have out-right lied and bended facts to make him look good in your inaccurate polls. An example, is the post that he is the candidate that has gotten the least amount of campaign funding from oil companies, which is UNTRUE. He has gotten the MOST campaign donations. The extremely large private donations from individual employees of these oil companies, are not subject to report these funds as "The Oil Company donations", since the donations are coming through individual internet employee donations.

Another thing that really should make ALL Woman Angry, is his constant mocking-NAME CALLING-patronitizing-talking down to and about Hillary Clinton. This man has issues with woman, starting with his 'white grandmother and white mother' and it is showing LOUD and CLEAR.

Obama has not and still does not resonate with the working class. Obama does not resonate with the HISPANIC community (which are a large part of the working class). Hispaqnics and other minorities have believed him to be the caucus elite and the black voter candidate from day one, and that has not yet changed.

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Texas Jake — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:19:54 GMT

Let's face it...

A vote for Macain is a vote fo more Bush. Disconnected and unaffected by the pesky middle class squeeze. All that money and corruption going to an illegeal war, while we suffer and slave. Didn't we the people speak up in the 2006 election to end the war? Hmmm,,, Bush's response was a "surge". Plus, Macain is looking pretty worn from the campain, I question whether he can make it four years as a president. If you are voting for him, take a close look at his VP.

Am I the only one to see that Hillery will never run the country: electing her will be getting four more years of Bill Clinton. There is a reason for term limits, and I despise the Clintons for trying to get around it. Do you really think Bill will spend his days redecorating the oval office, or tackling issues better suited for Miss America? I say we will hear way more from him then Hillery. It is a classic Clinton trick and I cannot vote for her. It may not be PC to say, but she is a ***, too.

Besides, shouldn't the president expidite the majority's values? I mean, who cares about his personal values? The president should reflect the peoples values. The only quality we need in a president is the ability to lead. For example, Ron Paul is right on the issues, but is such a weenie that he is not electable. Obama has ran a good campain. He seems youthful, strong, and not yet owned by big money. I have pretty much gotten over the whole 'black' thing. I need a HERO!

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JazzmanEast — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:22:13 GMT

Ms Clinton needs to be more careful about what she says. For example:

In an article on Time.com in November, for example, Ms Clinton was quoted as saying: "During the 1990s, I cannot remember being asked about immigration. Why? Because the economy was working. And average Americans didn't have to go around looking for others to blame."

See http://www.nysun.com/news/national/clinton-likens-obama-kerry-gore

Let me ask: If fabricating the imaginary events in Bosnia does not make Clinton unelectable, how does Obama's telling what many consider to be the truth (even if inartfully worded) make HIM unelectable? Who would you rather have in the White House: somewhat who fabricates reality or someone who recognizes it but occasionally uses the wrong word(s) to describe, but quickly acts to clarify his mistake?

I think this entire thing is a poor excuse for a slow news cycle. Why aren't we talking about things that actually matter to the people instead of trivial image mongering. Americans aren't THAT superficial (are they?).

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rayrick — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:26:34 GMT

I am a strong Obama supporter and I'm as sick of this "bitter-gate" business as anyone, but I'll admit that I thought that this article was a pretty balanced analysis and basically on the money. He did word his initial comments poorly and left himself exposed to the negative interpretations that both Clinton and McCain are hammering away on.

But I also agree with the blogger (and the speech clip), that that was not the message he intended to convey and that there are a lot of frustrated people out there who vote on the basis of litmus test/wedge issues because they don't believe that the differences in the candidate's economic policies are ever going to effect their lives.

What I find the most frustrating about this entire thing is that Clinton seems to really believe this can be a game changer for her, so she's decided that she's perfectly happy to cynically spew forth a bunch of Republican talking points for the next few weeks in the hopes of salvaging her dwindling chances at the nomination. I see only two plausible outcomes from this strategy: either somehow she pulls it off (with the help of a bunch of superdelegates) and the vast Obama support base is enraged and alienated to an irreparable degree (I know I would have a hard time voting for her if she wins it this way), or, more likely, this little gambit ultimately fails and she basically campaigns for the Republicans for the next 3 weeks in 3 important general election states.

I don't like the sound of either of those scenarios.

Listen, if Hillary wants to hang around in case Obama genuinely implodes (say, some seriously damaging revelation emerges about him or something), I don't have a problem with that, but this Rovian attack on one badly worded sentence is only going to tear apart the Democratic party.

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timrogers — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:32:46 GMT

Will the bitter and the bigoted be the salvation of Hillary and her fight to the finish? That would be appropriate. Will the Pennsylvania middle and lower class rally to the non 'elitist' banner of the Clinton campaign? That would be the biggest political scam since 'weapons of mass destruction'. Politicians like Hillary have had decades save the middle class. They have enriched themselves on the votes of the middle class. They have promised in election after election to help the middle class and change the way Washington ignores them. At the same time they fund their campaigns with donations from the very lobbyists and special interest groups who slowly and surely destroy the middle class. Bill and Hillary have 107 million reasons to label Obama as 'elitist'. Will they fool the bigotewd and the bitter? My money says they will. Thesame voters who have been fooled for generations will be fooled again. Go HillBillary!

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Dhristi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:35:51 GMT

When China destroys its own missle in space to achieve strategic military advantage, we engage in a war trying to help ethnic groups draw lines in the sand. When our bridges collapse, dams flood, power fails, student kills, air pollutes, country borrows, we don't prioritize survival and then essence, but we spread fear. One nobel lauriest left America stating it is becoming a country of distraction and trivialties. Not that I agree with him on what he said, but I request Hilary and John to help me disprove his (Alexander S.) statement by not trivializing politics with political distractions.

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vince in texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:36:28 GMT

RE:Macpoet: Interesting that you throw Obama detractors into 3 categories. You sound a lot like Obummer, really. You want to put each individual into some kind of group so you can explain why they don't agree with you. That is exactly what your elitist candidate did when asked why the middle class blue collar worker hasn't gotten behind him. The real answer is we just don't trust him or like the way the media is shoving him down our throats. It's also interesting the way you throw racism in there. Me thinks thou does protest too much. If anyone is a racist it is Obama and his bitter wife. They have proven that time and time again with their slanted words against whites and American in general. Obama is the biggest phoney Congress has served up in quite some time! Anyone but Obama...even a Republican!

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AMilligan — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:39:29 GMT

I completely agree with N. Martinez. The media has consistently and shamelessly favored Obama over Hillary for months now. No matter what mistakes he makes, the media (Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, etc.) have put their spin on things to make Obama look like a saint, but yet they criticize Hillary for the way she wears her hair, her laugh, and any move she makes. Come on! What difference does a president's hair or laugh have to do with how they run this country. Obama can only give a good speech (but who knows if he even writes them himself?). Hillary has shown she can take all the unjustified criticism and attacks and get even stronger because of it. She will make the best president by far. And I am a white 36 year old man with a college education. I'm so tired of the media speaking for America as if they actually know what Americans are thinking. What happened to OBJECTIVE reporting???????

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AmericanDog — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:49:37 GMT

Obama's true feelings are starting to come out. When he says that he "misspoke" he meant to say that he shouldn't have said those things out loud. First during a radio interview...he refers to his grandmother as a "typical white person" then he refers to small town people as bitter, gun clinging individuals that turned to their religion because the economy is bad. His true colors are coming out. He is an elitest and his portrayal of being raised a poor black child is not believable. Everyone knows that the first lady plays an important part in their spouse's presidency. His wife, Michelle Obama claims that America, according to a thesis she wrote, was founded on crime and hatred. She feels that whites are "eradicalbly racist". Baracks own preacher, let everyone knows that he is racist. Surely people dont believe that Obama went to church for 20 years and never heard racist remarks before. He only reputed Wright's comments this time because he got caught. Again, his true colors are coming through and they arent red, white and blue. Any presidential candidate that wouldnt put his hand over his heart during the national anthem. There have been too many instances lately where he just "mis-spoke" to be a coincedence. His smooth, soft tone will only get him so far. Any Christian, whether democrat, republican...black, white, red or brown should be very wary of this man.

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tired and old — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:56:52 GMT

MEDIA LOOKING FOR A DIRT STORY-----FOLLOWS HILLARY TAKE ON " BITTER " COMMENT.

MEDIA HUNGRY WILL EAT ANYTHING!

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traveler221 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:02:22 GMT

yes, obama is an elitist. he is also a liar . he is trying to say words matter but when words he used are shown for what they mean, he tries to say thats not what he meant. give me a break. now the great unifier is making very condesending remarks about hillary, guns etc. he has been less than truthful about his relationship with rev. wright nafta, iraq . louis farrakhan etc. wait intiil the republicans get to work on him and his wife for the unpatriotic remarks she has made. i don't think he is electable. he should have waited to make apresidential run when he had more experience. we have much to repair after gwb and he can't do the job. he has not been known to reach across the aisle so bipartisanship will not happen easily if at all. he should give up.

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John_Toradze — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:02:48 GMT

It is amazing to me that this is being reported at all. Hilary clearly has a death grip on the media here. This is a complete non-issue. Obama is right - they are bitter - and they have a right to be.

Hilary is the elitist rich white girl entitled to everything she wants, not Obama. If Obama loses this nomination, I'm voting for McCain. Hil-Bill are perpetrating facile frauds right and left.

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calico — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:09:56 GMT

Hillary and Bill Clinton are liars. That this publication stills pays pundits and reporters to advance her slime and character assassination stories about Obama is clear that THE BILLARY have more of you in their newly DEEP POCKETS that the electorate imagined. That no one calls her on her continued lies about EVERYTHING and that she is on self annointed mission to destroy the Democratic Party is she can't be the QUEEN of the Party is more revealing that no one from the mainstream is willing to admit her evil charade and start the drum beat for her to go back to Chappaqua or Hope and count all of her elitist ill-gotten gains.

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pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:10:27 GMT

I agree with what he said, but what upsets me is his "softer,genteler" way of phrasing one step away from civil war against the government! So his words though correct, are not quite the pissed off attutude we have gotten over the last million years, get the point! If you don't live small, don't comment! I live small and see the resentment, and here definitions i cannot write in here! So he is right, but we are a lot more pissed off. Guns, religion, beats drugs and pimping, or cars and kids, either way you look at it, we do take it out on everything we do, even if we don't notice! So he has nothing to apologize for, but the others do! As they drill this dribble into our heads till we believe it to be true!

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BigdogLA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:14:38 GMT

When you add the comments of Mrs. Obama to the comments of Rev. Wright and the comments Barak made about he own grandmother (the racially insensitive comments of a typical white woman) you begin to get a picture of a man with a narrow somewhat biased view of race in America. This point of view is in it's self typical of the skewed world view of many blacks who rather self criticize create a self protective fiction about racial bias as the cause of their group's slow social progress. This is a point of view prevalent in the black community and as such it is the party line of black politicians that have not gained recognition in the broader society.

He has not developed a national political view that accepts America. He is agent of change that will set all that right. This message only resonates with those guilty whites who have been blaming themselves forever after being programed by the kluge media and educational systems. I say maybe he has the right stuff but not this year. OBAMA '16

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DaveInVegas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:17:09 GMT

traveler221: Obama is a liar? two words: sniper fire. this most blantant lie of the campaign season, repeated at least 5 times.

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pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:17:36 GMT

Traveler

you realy think McCain or Hillery are any cleaner? they have been in the Senate which has done nothing for the people. McCain for the last 20 years, and as that said, every one says we have not had a good president in 20 years, why settle for a puppet of the worst presidents we ever had! gimmi a newbe, a virgin, or as close to it as possible, uncorrupted, at least he grows up as he goes on, and listens, and admitts his mistakes, wow what a bummer hu! Good thing he is right!

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DDknicks — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:19:21 GMT

Y'all are rediculous. These supposed "true" blue collar americans like AmericanDog down there are just being led down the same path by conservative masterminds again who take any intelligent person who runs for office and just try to destroy them completely for something dumb like this. These conservative people like John McCain have no clue about the lives of blue collar people like me, they just think they know how to trick us into thinking they do by talking simpler. They're the ones that are talking down to us. Well guess what? I work my ass off six days a week to support my daughter and wife and I understand exactly what Obama is saying. He's not talking about the people clinging to guns or religion; he is talking about the damn conservatives clinging to those issues to win elections and then we get people like George Bush in the office. Obama is an intelligent man who can actually make a difference in our country, so I hope from my heart that people don't get stuck on this dumb issue, and see what he said for what it truly is, and Hilary and McCain to get a life and get off this issue before it makes everyone bitter.

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Maddy77 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:22:23 GMT

Just what is Obama's true agenda? In view of his recent comments, his association with his former pastor, his wife's remarks.....Is he "bitter?" Is his former pastor? Is his wife?

Just what kind of "change" is he talking about during his campaign?

I wish the media would address these issues more thoroughly. This man is running for the office of the President of the United States! Is the media afraid to confront Obama?

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Maddy77 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:24:50 GMT

Just what is Obama's true agenda? In view of his recent comments, his association with his former pastor, his wife's remarks.....Is he "bitter?" Is his former pastor? Is his wife?

Just what kind of "change" is he talking about during his campaign?

I wish the media would address these issues more thoroughly. This man is running for the office of the President of the United States! Is the media afraid to confront Obama?

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pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:16 GMT

American dog guess what leroy!

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babrosmuc — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:27:14 GMT

KATHY IN ALTOONA, PA

I must be an elitist as well, As a 49 y/o white female making less than 45,000, I thought I was the blue collar person, I'm a nurse and the mother of 3. Guess I missed my ELITIST baptism, but clearly I am one according to the media. I understood exactly what OBAMA was saying and I did the very thing he's talking about in the last presidential election. I voted for BUSH even though I new he would continue his failed war and I was already starting to suffer under his terrible economic policies. I voted against my economic interest because I figured washington doesn't help me anyway. SO, I voted against Kerry because of my FEAR that GAY marriage would be legal across the USA. In 2008, my son is now on his THIRD TOUR IN IRAQ, I wouldn't care if the whole country went for gay marriage, I will not fall for that diversion again. I want my baby home. I will not vote for a THIRD BUSH TERM. I will not vote to continue this war. I don't care if its HILLARY OR OBAMA, BUT THIS ELITIST(NOT) IS NOT FOR McCAIN!

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pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:28:02 GMT

my bust prior post from me to Bigdogla sorry American dog

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DaveInVegas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:28:19 GMT

maddy77, yes he has a sinister black plan to turn the US into a third world country that is run by Muslims and that slags Israel. Give me a break, listen to his policy proposals and his speeches. These questions have been answered for months--this is why the media is not addressing these "issues more thoroughly", they have already been answered. perhaps they should keep repeating them for those who are not paying attention or are listening to Hillary's talking points. nice try.

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angnicnij — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:28:35 GMT

I am furious that the national media has made this a story. Why make a story about Obama being elitist. What's wrong with being elite? He's running for the presidency. We should want someone who is elite, talented, better than average. When did being elite become something bad???

How about the Clinton's many "elite" connections, fund raisers, and earning bracket? Who is really more elite here?

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bluecollargirl — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:31:56 GMT

I am much more concerned that the media seems to be amused by Hillary's drinking a shot and a beer in order to ingratiate herself wth the middle class. This action by a candiate for president is totally inappropriate given the problem with alcohol use in this country. Is this supposed to be an example for our young daughters... drink with the boys if you want to be accepted? This is a far more damging message and it is simply ignored by everyone. No candidate should be drinking like this for a news bite and I am really angry that a woman and a mother would stoop so low!

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BigdogLA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:39:51 GMT

Dear Pinkpanties - don't mess with the Dog!

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Steveknowspolitics — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:41:28 GMT

Yeah, Obama's socialist nature can't stay inside forever. After this gets blasted on Fox, Pennsylvania is highly unlikely to go his way. We're a pro-union blue state who are also fond of Jesus and our .44 s and we're certainly not willing to trade them for government handouts. I just hope that the farther left he goes the more moderates will wake up of the "lets all hope instead of going out and finding a job or figuring out how to get out of debt" syndrome.

He's still probably going to be the next president, so I'm getting ready for a rough four years of handing over my paycheck to deadbeats and illegal aliens, they certainly worked harder for it than me. Oh, and save me a good spot in the gulag.

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JohnTruth — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:43:43 GMT

STUPID DEBATE - Bitter? Bitter? That's what we're upset about. Bitter? Ridiculous. Just how long is the public going to buy into these over-exaggerated non-stories trumped up by the media. People are dying in Iraq, Darfur, the economy is nearing a recession, and we're wasting our time feeling bitter about being called bitter. The truth is we are bitter! Bush DECEIVES the nation into sacrificing American lives for a war based on LIES, AND YOU'RE NOT BITTER! Pennsylvanians should be proud he called them bitter. At least someone is listening to their cries for help. You bet I'm BITTER! We all should be bitter. Bitter is a good thing, after the tragedy of the Bush/Cheney administration, we have earned the right to be bitter. The media needs to grow up, the public needs to grow up. This is one of the dumbest issues we could be obsessing over, considering what's really at stake in the coming election... Iraq, Gas prices, the economy, the environment... remember? ... real issues, that really mean something. And look at the stupidity we've been obsessing over for the last week. It's enough to make you grab a six shooter and join Hillary at the saloon... It's enough to make you bitter!

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dagnew — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:44:14 GMT

I live in small town America, and I feel so much frustration over this flap. Obama, for the most part, was right on in his comments, except for the part about clinging to religion and guns because of a bad economy. Where I come from, it doesn't matter how bad or how good the economy is, most evangelicals (and there are a lot of them) can't get past the gays, guns and abortion issues, and wouldn't vote for Obama or Clinton for anything. Only a republican can get their vote, because the republicans have convinced these voters they give a hoot about these issues. Same with the gun owners. They are so afraid a democrat will take away their guns, they'll only vote republican. So yes, these people wouldn't vote for Obama. And most people around here do have prejudices toward others unlike themselves...big time. A lot of the prejudice stems from the outsourcing of good jobs to other countries. We have lost good paying manufacturing jobs right and left, and illegals are very unwelcome around here. I really feel these types of voters put Bush in the white house for eight years, and we are on the brink of ruination because of it . It can't happen again! Obama is really in tune to the American people whether we like it or not! I PRAY people will see it!

We need to talk about these issues and the voters frustrations, not harp on whether Obama is an elitist, and how bad his remarks will hurt him, yada, yada, yada! We certainly don't need four to eight more years of the Clintons, and not knowing whether they are telling the truth or not. To me, the lie Clinton told more than once, more than twice, about being under sniper fire in Bosnia was much worse than Obama speaking the truth, however taken. And McCain doesn't know a Shiite from a Sunni, and thinks the occupation of Iraq can go on forever....WOW! What choices we have!

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realpages — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:45:58 GMT

*** Just a little lie today by Obama ****

Today at the Associated Press Annual Meeting, Obama said that he was pleased to see young people showing the the same kind of excitement about politics in 2008 'that I had back in the Sixties.' Obama moved to Indonesia in 1967 ... when he was FIVE!!! He was eight years old when the Sixties ended. So, he would have us believe that at the same time that he was acquiring foreign relation expertise, he was also a student of American politics from the other side of the world, all this before he had learned how to bowl.

This was at best a 'misstatement' by Obama made before a few hundred members of the MSM. If HRC had made such a misstatement, then all of the MSM would shift emphasis from the 'bitter' comment by Obama to the 'lie' of Hillary. I can find not one mention of this on the net.

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okie_magic — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:46:27 GMT

Great article.

Obama an elitist? First he's a secret Muslim and now he hates small-town Americans.....right.

Don't let the talking heads pull the wool over your eyes AGAIN like they did in 2004. Obama was mostly raised by his grandparents, who went to school on the GI Bill and bought their first house with an FHA loan. Obama worked as an activist for low income people in Chicago after getting his law degree. He could have worked at any one of a hundred top law firms.

Don't forget that there is big money being paid to knock Obama out of the race. Don't be lazy, get the facts, do the research.

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jac58atcu — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:49:21 GMT

Andrew,

Your analysis is quite acute and keen of the two alternative interpretations of Obama's words. I believe in the end that you are quite generous to Obama in adopting your second interpretation. Given Obama's background as a highly educated lawyer is obvious to those who listen to him and Obama's knowledge of the public's perception of his elite educational background should make obvious to Obama the necessary subtext that will be added to most of his messages. If the actual text and this necessary subtext converge at any time, the effect will be understandably damning. For Obama to allow his text and the necessary subtext to converge is not merely accidental. Because of the obvious elitist attitude that the convergence projects, his speech formation was either reckless, consciously disregardful, subconsciously revealing, and/or intentional. Your two alternative interpretations may indeed not be mutually exclusive, but mutually possible at two distinct levels of consciousness.

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Perception — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:56:56 GMT

I believe that Sen. Obama said that "words matter". When an aide told the Canadian's that Obama was critisizing NAFTA for political reasons but didn't mean it the comments were blown off. When Sen. Obama aides told the British that he didn't intend to get out of Iraq immediately, the comments were blown off. When Sen. Obama's pastor made racist remarks and accusations he did not explain why he attended that church for 20 years and had his family attend too. That was blown off and all anyone talked about was what a great speech even though it didn't answer any of the questions about judgement. Now, he has had a conversation with upscale democrats and said gun ownership, racism and faith came from a bitterness over financial hardship. I find it hard to believe that such an articulate politician mispeaks about such things. I find it much more likely that when he is in the company of the affluent he explains the sentiments of those less fortunate in unflattering terms and that when his surrogates delliver messages they tell the leaders of foreign countries what his intentions are. When he is in front of an audience he tells them what they want to hear. Smooth but not original. I have always voted democratic because I have felt democrats were best for the country, whether they benefited me or not. McCain, who I admire, but rarely agree with at least went to the midwest and told them those jobs are not coming back and they needed to retrain. He didn't go up there and tell them he was going to help them get their jobs back and then belittle them in front of wealthy donors. Sometimes, there just isn't any explanation for what someone says except to repeat what they said.

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collegevoter — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:26:36 GMT

Yup words do matter. You know what else matters? Bad bankruptcy law, bad trade bills and the jobs Bill Clinton lost Pennsylvania during his administration thanks to NAFTA.

Hillary Clinton promised to deliver 200,000 new jobs to upstate New York and instead she LOST THEM JOBS! I can understand the anger, but people have to rationally engage this.

Who lost you your jobs? If someone is claiming that administration as experience, and they lost their own state jobs (HRC) during their time in the Senate, why the heck would you vote for them? All they have is a record of losing jobs. If you vote for them, and lose your job, again, well at that point you kind of need to re-think things.

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torpedoman — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:39:58 GMT

he did not say he regretted his remarks only that "i could have phrased that better" and in another comment he said"a small political flare-up because i said something that everyone knows is true" Niether of these is anywere close to an apology but we can lump them with the "typical white people" remark and come up with and elite racist that is getting pretty much of a free pass in the media because of his color . If a white politican had refered to the "typical black people " he would be crucified on the front page of every paper in america and the t.v. anchors would be calling out for them to pull out of the race because of their biggoted remarks.

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bocacat — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:47:07 GMT

I am so tired of Obama trying to weasel out of everything he says and BELIEVES. He is a wealthy, educated bi-racial man, not black, not white and he choses to portray himself as black..WHY? I have no idea what he is saying and or what he truly means, He is young and needs to mature.

Curious Cat

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bocacat — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:49:46 GMT

I agree, didn't Senator Obama say himself "WORDS MATTER" Does that only apply to what he choses and when? Rev. Wright and Obama need to accept responsiblity for their words.

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bocacat — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:59:03 GMT

I believe that Sen. Obama said that "words matter

WONDERMAN OBAMA SAID HIMSELF, "WORDS MATTER" DOES THAT ONLY APPLY TO OTHERS? He is ridiculous and a man filed with hate for the white man. Wake up America. I don't know what happened to him or why he hates whites, when he himself is bi-racial, not black. Besides that why hasn't Grandma come out to stand by him? Ask him why he has guilt over his mother's death. These are his words, make him responsible for what he says.

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bocacat — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:04:29 GMT

Obama working for low income housing, give me a break. He was a lawyer for a scum bag slum lord. Get you facts!

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bocacat — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:10:52 GMT

Michele Obama, where are you hiding and why? Come out come out all elitist where ever you are?

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facilitator1 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:18:23 GMT

Whether intended or not, Senator Obama comes off as elitist and not really understanding of middle America. One can only conclude that he is out of touch with Middletown USA.

I believe that people in Middletown USA are not bitter, they are frustrated and scared. Frustrated that corporate America has a bail out plan. The financial industry of America has a bail out plan. The housing industry has a bail out plan. But Middle America has no bail out plan by the federal government.

They are scared that jobs are leaving their town and America. They are scared that they are struggling everyday to fill their gas tanks and food prices are going up at the fastest rate in 17 years. They are scared that we are floundering in the Middle East both militarily and politically and we may be there for the next fifty years (so says Senator McCain). They are scared that health costs will be so high in a few years that they may not be even able to afford seeing a doctor when they need to. They are scared that social security is headed for bankruptcy with no other social safety net in sight.

Middle America is not bitter, they are looking for help and they need an Administration that will address their issues and develop a plan with solutions to the problems that are scaring Middletown USA.

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Jonathan617 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:53:28 GMT

Hey Everyone,

I agree wholeheartedly with this article. I think it is your best yet Andrew.

I read through the commends here, and one thing sticks out to me. "Obama said Words Matter", and they DO. But they dont point to EVERYTHING. And thats where so many of you are taking things. As if everything that someone says, means thats it. How many times do you say things during a day, that you wish you had a hour to explain? or a Hour to say in the first place. I mean come on.......dont be generous, but at least be adult or serious about it. And like Obama, and other folks have said, what he did say in SF, sounded pretty F'ed up. It did.

But how many times have people, in general, said something, when they DIDNT know it was being taped, that things came off the head and didnt come off in a global consensus so anyone could agree with it. Which is basically what is being argued about. He didnt say something that NEEDED to be said out loud, in a nice way.

I mean, it is what it is. Me, being black, and from a urban neighborhood growing up, and I went to a black private school, which WASNT all that great I might add, for YEARS(im 28) I heard politicians try and act like they know what ail's me and they get it completely wrong. Now some more suburban folk have been spurned and now someone didnt put there feelings in a "nice" way and all hell is breaking loose. Please. No one had *** to say when Reagan did nothing for inner cities and or black communities at large during the drug epedemic that hit us, the first Bush Administration when Gangs were running out of complete f'in control in every major city from Los angeles to Boston(yea...Boston), and now you mad.

I personally think everyone should take a step back and look at everything in a broad perspective. All of these writeups, blogs, journals are mostly about "me", "me" "ME", and they do nothing for us as America as a whole.

I still cant go visit white friends in Nebraska because some "white" hick doesnt like the color of my skin. I still get Mexicans and Asians in there self respected towns around Los Angeles looking at me as if I want something other than buying a soda from their store.

So all this gried, and anger, and whatever, feels like B.S. to me. None of yall have still said one thing that specifically quotes your real feelings about the situation. Just what you saw on the news and you are reinterpretating.

P.S. I applaud Andrew writing this in such a way that even stupid people could understand. Thats why you see all of the "quotes" and (parenthesis) sense so many people take the word on the page as "the word" instead of reading or hearing he 6 words before it.

-Jonathan

-Just my feelings-

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Redaxe — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:54:25 GMT

Yes, Virginia,"Words do matter" and now poor Obama must eat his. His arrogance has finally caught up with him, as he shows his true color (no pun intended). And where is his equally arrogant wife (who should have been in Frisco) to make sure he doesn't "screw up". Recall that, that was her advice to him before giving a speech.

Obama's rhetoric may fool a few, but Americans are not as gullible and naive as he would have us believe. Small town Pennsylvanians (as are all small town America) are not bitter as Obama suggested (perhaps he's expressing his own sentiments), but just frustrated; however, we Americans are also resilient. Now, he's trying to talk his way out of another "snafu", but it won't work.

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Jonathan617 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:58:51 GMT

And on Obama being an Elitist.

"Comes off as elitist"??? Facilitators...............seriously. Think Globally. Elitist? I dont think so.

BUT I do agree with the aspect that he thinks he may know more than you, or I. And shouldnt the President think that? Its like people want someone who knows more than them, and is smarter, but will NEVER act it. Either get on his level, or keep getting your feelings hurt.......

SERIOUSLY.

I dont mean to like, spur up the "race" bit or anything, but im a pretty stand up black male in this country. I think about the other man or woman more than myself. I regularly lose time getting back to my office because I am holding doors for people, because I am POLITE. Its just being nice, and I hope it will be reciprocated eventually.

But through all of my trials and errors. The race hates. The getting chased off of beaches in white neighborhoods, the white men telling me to not park behind their car because I might do something, the ass on the ice cream truck who wouldnt sell me ice cream in 1989 when I was 9, because I was BLACK.

ELITIST?????

The color of his skin makes him a non-elitist by birth. No matter who he met, even though his mom was white, and even though he went to Harvard. He was still Black.

So unless Hillary is trying to say that black men get treated like every other man,....not in this country. ESPECIALLY any man who was here from the 40's to maybe 2000's. I mean, Obama is just trying to speak it the way he sees it and how thinks other people see it. The magnificent thing about it, if you allow me to talk about the man for a moment, is that he seems to see and understand how human emotion operates. Its something I have strided to make my own persona. No matter your skin color, age, creed, WHATEVER, your life story is different, but in order for America to move forward, you have GOT TO GET OVER IT. And HOPEFULLY, he or maybe one of the other candidates(another story) can at least kill all of that noise and bring us together. But from the reading of these comments, some of you folks are lost.

Ill tell you right now as a poor black male, who at least had the good sense to try and get out the hood, and take care of himself in life, and work, love and my own dreams, I never felt "elitist", or is I was in a better position than other men and woman in this world that had parents that were "kosher" in the 50's, 60's or 70's. And thats where it comes down to. Do you have old money you can lean on? No? then your like me. The rest of you with parents that can drop 5gs to get you out of a quick debt, car accident, normal life problems, can go jump off a bridge or read a book.

Because really, its not the glory road. And those families that are in my same personal situation, let your voice ring loud and let it ring loud for the RIGHT reasons. Dont let these politicians (Clinton, Obama, McCain, Hagel, Giuliani..etc etc) tell you *** differently.

The struggle is real. And not ANYONE can lift us out of it on a PERSONAL level, and thats what we need for the near and future present.

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vinivinidogo — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:05:28 GMT

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!! When are WE going to STOP letting the MEDIA tell US what's important?

Obama's pastor is a nutcase who hates America, and NOW Obama is elitist. Poor choice of words?? maybe...but HOW many politicians (Our current President included) have done the same? Remember Bush's shocked response @ finding out there were black people in Brazil? Or how about that famous "OB/GYN loving on the women" remark? And let's not forget VP Cheney's remarks about how a vote for Kerry in '04 meant Al Quaida would be on your doorstep the next day. OR his remarks not even 2wks ago in response to American not supporting the war anymore--"SO"? Remember Trent Lott? there are hundreds of these...so he's NOT the first and WON'T be the last. Hell how many of us--including those of you here reading this--have said something that was misinterpreted to a boss? Teacher? Friend? Spouse? IN-LAW? Let he who is WITHOUT SIN cast the first stone.

But back to the issue @ hand...exactly WHAT part of ANYTHING Obama said was NOT true? That Small-town, blue collar group was EXACTLY what BUSH went after in the last election (Except THEN they were called the NASCAR voters). and instead of talking to them about losing their companies, jobs, etc...he FLIPPED the script and got them all riled up about gay marriage & gun control---as if 2 men wanting to get married was the reason the small town jobs went to China & Mexico. I work in small towns all thru IL, WI, IN and MN, and let me tell you, they ARE pissed off. Anyone telling you that they're not BITTER about losing their good Zenith/Maytag/GM/Whirpool job to someone in Mexico/India/China leaving them w/only a $8/h Wal-Mart job in exchange (and health insurance they won't be able to afford) is either LYING or STUCK ON STUPID.

And its NOT just rual PA...small towns all across America--some with wonderful histories--are dying off in droves. Regardless of what Obama said, you can't deny that...young people are leaving these towns in search of better jobs/opportunities in the cities, leaving the older generations behind. No company to provide jobs, no young people to sustain the population...so what's left?

Do you REALLY think being in DENIAL about getting screwed means that it WON'T happen, or that its NOT HAPPENING?

And ANYONE who doesn't think small towns are not always welcoming to OUTSIDERS has NEVER been a person of color walking into a town where you're the ONLY one. The stares...the sideways glances..the unofficial police escort around...it doesn't ALWAYS happen, but it happens enough to be more than coincidence. As an African-American woman, I SHOULD KNOW. And it doesn't JUST happen in small towns...just drive thru an affluent area, same thing.

The more I think about this, the more I realize how ASS BACKWARDS this whole thing is. White folks think Blacks have no right to be BITTER, in spite of everything that's happened in the past. And now White folks won't admit how BITTER THEY ARE about everything going on now.

The only reason WHY this is an issue, is because the MEDIA has turned it into one, and we've let them. When are WE going to stop being a bunch of sheep, and realize the game that's being played on us?

And while I have NOTHING against Hillary, its a little bit hard to call SOMEONE ELSE elitist when you've made $109 mil in the lat 10 YEARS and are giving speeches while wearing Hermes' scarves. Look VERY closely...some of those scarves she wears cost more than her blue-collar "peeps" she identifies with make in a month.

And can someone PLEASE explain to me why an intelligent person of color (any rance) is always thought of as ARROGANT?

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tephraim — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:07:17 GMT

I find it amazing that the people who are charging Obama with being an elitist are people who make over one million dollars per year..........are you serious?

Maybe we should clearly define this word. An elitist is a person who believes that a system or society should be ruled or dominated by an elite.

Just so we are really clear, the definition of elite is a group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.

Obama does not have inherent power, he is far from rich, although I must admit that he is talented.

He does not qualify, by definition as an elitist.

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Chapalody — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:58:50 GMT

I don't know how much clearer Obama could have put it. This is for those who couldn't wait to turn it into "Bittergate". Obama clearly states voters, that is why he made the comments in the first place because of the way people votes. Voters, because of the way they vote, cling to religion, guns, frustration and feelings of being bitter. Who goes to the polls without these things. No one. People vote their values. These are the values of the the people of Pennsylvania. Every state votes differently according to the things that have effected their state. Obama made this very clear. Who in the world knows of anyone who goes to the polls with a blank mind and not knowing why their there. It just doesn't happen. Religion and guns are issues which play an important part at the polls. If people didn't have frustration and feelings of being bitter, no one would get up and go vote. There are many factors involved in why people vote they way they do, which Obama pointed out. If some people waited until they asked the people of Pennsylvania how they felt about Obama's comments, they would have learned the people don't think it's such a big deal. Why, because what Obama said was true. If it wasn't true, there would have been a bigger outcry from the people of Pennsylvania then from Hillary's supporters. Who's comfortable with an elitist? The polls shows and demonstrates that Obama is not an elitist. The people are very comfortable with Obama when he makes his speeches. The polls also reflect whether or not Obama looks down on people. Obama didn't have to wait until he got to Pennsylvania to look down on people. He has had numerous chances to do that along the campaign trail, which he hasn't. The polls also reveal that Obama is not out of touch with the people. Who in the world is out of touch and ahead in the race. For every thing Obama is being accused of he doesn't have a track record to back it up. In fact if someone is an elitist, out of touch, and looks down on people would they be winning, no they would be losing like Hillary is.

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Nins — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:26:34 GMT

Despite voting Republican for the past 30 years, I am voting for Barack Obama this year, because I believe that he has the ability to tackle the serious problems of our economy and foreign policy head on and bring creative solutions to the table. The game has changed. We are no longer in the post WW II world where the USA dominates the globe, and the old play book isn't serving our needs any more. If we want to get back to being the leaders of the free world we need to re-think what we say and do in the world, and come up with a new strategy for success. Obama is the only candidate who grasps this. He is also the only candidate who is looked upon favorably by the international community. Imagine, having a President we can be proud of, instead of one who lies under oath (Clinton) or leads us into economic ruin ("W" Bush).

God bless Barack Obama. May he lead our nation back into prosperity and honor.

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lmcchesn — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:50:01 GMT

Nobama you will be found out. Your true colors are coming out and America is finally catching on. AS you try to again wiggle your way out, everyone remembers "words matter". Here we go again with his high level arrogance spewing from his mouth and equally from Michelle. Between these comments and the Rev Wright, Farakhan and corrupt Rezko - America please wake and smell the chicken...Hillary is our only hope for a democrat in the WH.

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paulmo43 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:56:02 GMT

I can't beleive that someone just compared Obama to God. This is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.

I am getting tired of being called a raciest because I don't beleive that Obama is the best person running for president.

I beleive that Obama beleives just what he said. If he had said this in a public meeting in a privite meeting then I might consider this a slip of the tounge because these things happen. If something happens in front of a privite audience with no press around, then this is probably what he really feels. I could be wrong, but this is a pattern. Advisors for Obama in public support his words, but a couple of them have said the opposite in privite meetings.

Powell What he says about the war is just for politics, his real stance will be different from the public one.

Financial advisor; The anti trade stance of Obama is just for political reasons, don't worry.

Advisors, like children somethimes repeat things that they have heard even if their candidate or parents do not want repeated.

I really don't like the lack of details for all of his plans and what he hopes to do. Hope by itself is worth much. If you don't do something, hope is just a word. It is what we use to help us feel better, but if you fall off of something, hope doesn't do you much good.

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:11:24 GMT

I`M BITTER! And I don´t mean maybe. It´s totally useless, trying to do an academic exercise on my bitterness. Because loss of jobs, fighting a stupid war and losing a relative in Iraq, losing my home because of the high mortgage fees, no health care, not being able to send my kids to college,

inflation, the dollar dive, stupid govt. policies make me bitter. Mad.

I´m hurting like hell! That´s the truth. and I don´t care who says it, it´s the truth. Now, if you´re

not hurting, good for you. Then, maybe YOU belong the elite or else you can not empathize

with folks like us. And if you´re NOT hurting or can not empathize, then shut the *** up!

Because when you have been let down again and again by your govt., you eventually lose

faith in it. You turn to more reliable variables, like family, religion, yes, and guns.

Obama said the truth. Period. And all you guys running your mouths foul, trying to make

an intellectual discourse out of a very simple fact and twisting and reading meanings into an apt description of my situation should take cover. Because I´m good with guns. And it´s not some kind of amateur sniper fire. I´ll be right on target! Can you hear me, "Stupid-in-Alabama"?

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hopesprings — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:19:04 GMT

It is interesting to me, that journalists, if you can call them that, have stopped researching stories and instead are just relaying/replaying info that they get from some other source. Its a shame. We, as citizens of the US, enjoy the freedom of the press. You guys have the right, actually the duty to report to us the facts, not the fat. Glitz it up if you want, paint it with a bias slant. What ever. But the facts should be at the core.

Obamas remarks were made as a response to a very specific question. He gave a very specific answer. A true answer. Try getting that out of Hillary. He spoke the truth. Everyone knows that it is true.

Instead of explaining to people who did not hear it for themselves in its entire context, you have decided to play politics with info again.

Are you saying that the truth is really that you do not believe that the people of Pennsylvania are smart enough to understand an intelligent speaker? If the given the facts as they stand, the Quaker State as a whole just cant grasp the concept of the hot issues of the day.

Start talking to people as if you respected their intelligence.

The only elitism going on here, is the medias.

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Smartmom50 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:36:36 GMT

At 50 years old, I have voted in many presidential elections. I have voted based on research, and soul search and have not always voted for the same party. This recent barrage of commentary from the Obama camp concerns me. His wife has given speaches hinting at her own racially intolerant views, his minister left his camp for much the same type of intolerant commentary. And now these remarks? I live in Cleveland, lets talk about jobs disappearing. What I see are multiple applications for employment, re-training programs filled to capacity and people working at whatever they can to support their families. I have my own views on immigration, not fueled by local unemployment. I don't keep a gun in my home, because my main focus is the well being of my family not moping around focusing on the downturn caused by outsourcing. The most recent comments were insulting, demeaning and really caused me to finalize my choice of where I will cast my vote in November. It's not racially, political party nor gender motivated. It's motivated by many episodes of intolerance slipping out from the Obama camp, which have been racially, party and gender motivated. A President is supposed to represent all the people, not just the ones he or she happens to like. We all vote Mr. Obama, not just the people that you approve of.

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sarah.westbound — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:48:13 GMT

Personally, I agree with the first interpretation, only because I have believed form the get go that Barack Obama has a bit of an arrogance problem and a need to condescend. My question is, when is the REAL issue going to get out? The issue I'm referring to is William Ayers. I've been doing quite a lot of research on this guy the past two weeks; shouldn't it bother the other media outlets that Barack Obama is 'friendly' as David Axelrod puts it, with admitted terrorists? Nevermind that the FBI had to throw out the evidence because of legality issues. This is a guy that, in the Times in 2001 in SEPTEMBER of all months said that "I don't regret it (setting bombs) one bit. I wish we could have done more". In case you're wondering, those bombs were set at an NYPD precinct, the pentagon, and the capitol.

It's a sad day when a young, liberal woman has to listen to SEAN HANNITY of all people, to get a glimpse of some of the things Barack Obama stands for. I can't stand Sean Hannity personally, but he's the only one (besides Tucker Carlson on MSNBC for 47 seconds, find the youtube video...and then he loses his show two weeks later, interesting coincidence) that is saying anything about the guy. There are articles on the Times website and the CBS website, but they're articles. Why haven't my WATCH DOGS made this headline news yet? Forget about the media darling Barack Obama is; do your jobs, and report on this issue, and do it BEFORE the PA primaries, that way the media doesn't get tagged with Obama favoritism...oh wait, they already have!

Sarah

(doesn't support anyone in this race anymore)

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proudjamaican — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:49:25 GMT

Sen. Clinton's hypocrisy is STUNNING!

In an article on Time.com (sorry, know its the competition) in November Mrs. Clinton was quoted as saying: "During the 1990s, I cannot remember being asked about immigration. Why? Because the economy was working. And average Americans didn't have to go around looking for others to blame."

I would say this, plus her $109 million, qualifies her as "elitist extraordinaire".

I guess if I was 8 million dollars in debt, and losing I'd be grasping at straws too !

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Mariann Pepitone — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:50:48 GMT

Obama made a big mistake in saying people cling to guns. Small town people do not cling to guns. Gang bangers clint to guns. What was he thinking when he said that. I don't believe those people are bitter they are just down right now because of what happened. And what was Obama doing in a small town anyway. Obama likes to mingle with the rich people not the poor. He feels like he is above them but these people are not aware of that fact because he is a good talker and makes them feel good. I understand he was a salesman at one time and is experienced in shooting the bull. He never fooled me for one minute but he has all these college kids fooled into voting for him. Do you think he cares about them. Absolutely not. What donations has he given. Does he ever visit the poor neighborhoods on the southside of Chicago. I don't think so. His kids don't associate with the poor kids. They go to a private school. Obama is a fake, a liar and a copycat of speeches. I don't know how he graduated college or maybe they pushed him thru to get rid of him because of his booze and drugs. And he is no prize package, he was seen drinking at the bowling alley so he can't talk about Clinton. He is a boozer from way back and probably drinks a lot beer in his house. You know, one of them closet drinkers.

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Bobbb — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:00:34 GMT

Non-issue. People - get a life. Obama has apologized and all who will accept it will go on in life... those who don't will expess themselves "bitterly" and feel better. Everyone wins. Ed Rendell says this will not have a bearing on either great candidate come November. Gotta love Ed!!! He tells it like it is.

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Mariann Pepitone — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:04:37 GMT

Sarah: Obama had close ties to a man names Ayres who went underground because of a bomb threat. He was also close to a man named Ayers. You are right. Obama was brought up by his mother to read all about the civil right days with MLK. He was racial when he was a kid which I read on the internet. I believe he still is due to the fact that he attended a racist church for 20 years with a racist pastor who is anti-american and hates white people. Now, if Obama wasn't racial why didn't he get up and walk out never to return to that church. Because he does not like white people he uses them for his own advantage and Kennedy and Kerry are to stupid to see thru him. The Latino's are smart, they vote for Hillary instead of Obama. Hillary has some very important black supporters in her camp like Nutter and Rendell. Hillary will win in PA and possibilities of IN, KY and Puerto Rico. If she does win those states its in the bag for her. Then she can fight the nomination. Obama refuses to give up the Wright friendship even though he is anti-american.

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Smartmom50 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:04:45 GMT

While I was posting the two posts prior to mine came in. I have read more than one accounting of Mr. Obama's remarks. I really didn't take them so much as money or class related as I did simply an exhibition of intolerance for people not like him. And, isn't that exactly what he stated was his assessment of the people he spoke of? Judgemental, and intolerant of others?

My husband lost his job and I worked at least ten hours overtime every week to try to keep up with our mortgage payments. Mortgage insurance didn't help because I was still employed, we lost our home because at 52 he was unable to find a job. I continued to work as many hours as I could until my company had a major downsize and I lost my job too. I was sad, but didn't have the time to focus on my guns and my religion, I had to keep moving forward, we had a family to support. My philosophy on life has always been that just because someone has more money than someone else doesn't make them a better person, just a richer one. I am a smart, hard working, focused individual who lives in the same type of community as those voters in PA, MI and all the other states that have lost a large portion of their jobs to other states, and other countries. I still maintain that the comments made were motivated far more by intolerance than anything else, and that coming from someone who wants to run this country is enough to make anyone bitter, if they let it.

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Smartmom50 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:04:46 GMT

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meghan21578 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:06:56 GMT

Posted By: tephraim (April 15, 2008 at 3:07 AM)

I find it amazing that the people who are charging Obama with being an elitist are people who make over one million dollars per year..........are you serious?

Maybe we should clearly define this word. An elitist is a person who believes that a system or society should be ruled or dominated by an elite.

Just so we are really clear, the definition of elite is a group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.

Obama does not have inherent power, he is far from rich, although I must admit that he is talented.

He does not qualify, by definition as an elitist

I'm sorry since when do far from rich people live in 1.6 million dollar homes...Last time I checked normal middle class people don't live in expensive mansions.

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:09:23 GMT

Being an elitist is not his biggest problem. It's that pesky mohammedness, and his way to friendly associations with terrorists and criminals.

Hussein Obama is a crook and a fraud.

NOBAMA!!!

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cnn357 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:16:36 GMT

Say what you want about Obama or any of the other candidates, But this is the biggest load of crap I have seen this season. Obama was actually trying to explain how people feel. Most Politicians wouldnt care enough to even bring it up.

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:17:44 GMT

HUSSEIN OBAMA CALLS CLINTON ANNIE OAKLEY!!!

Wed. night he'll think she's Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp, and John Wayne all rolled up into one. Hussein shall be revealed to be a silly, little sissy.

NOBAMA!!!

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dabow — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:18:42 GMT

I have to agree with hopesprings that the journalism in this country is pathetic... Our journalism in this country is strictly ran on sound bites ....not the whole bite just what the media wants to show you the ugliest part of it, usually if a person sees the whole segment in its entirely its usually seems to have better content than the 30 sec clip. To the latest clip on "elitist", "bitter" remarks, well I have witnessed this "bitterness" for over 30 years. Yes I work in a factory for over 30 years and I have seen exactly what Obama is talking about, which is people who has found government to be unfaithful, untruthful and all they have left is the basic constitutional rights and many are afraid of a few of them (freedom of speech fear of being reprimanded by others) but they fall back to the right to bare arms and freedom of religion.

And yes these people start voting on these values only....why else would any person making less than 30,000 dollars per year vote for republicans? The first reason I hear from these people is the gun issue the Democrats are coming after their guns...I tell them its strictly fear factor, propaganda, lets recap Hillary is now a gun toting American (this week) she has been a anti gun activist since her days of in the white house. The second reason is most churches , although I think it is illegal but they use their pulpits to preach their political beliefs , quote from 2004 catholic church rural Iowa "it would be a mortal sin to vote for John Kerry". And as far as the part of the clip about being non trusting on people that are different to them, well its true anyone who doesn't think this has never gone to these communities and have been on the outside looking in, again I have witness this my wife moved here to a 65,000 person community and has felt it first handed, being on the outside looking in. And the best part of this she is a minority which really upset people with the "border problem" another republican propaganda item, which pushes many factory workers to believe that foreigners are coming to take your jobs.

Obama has stated that he should have used better words in this statement which I agree, only because of the narrow minded people in this country, I feel that is why nothing gets done in this country because "this country cant handle the truth" especially when it comes to race and economics.

In this statement Obama is stating these items i have pointed out and in the "whole" clip Obama states that it is difficult reaching these people who have become untrusting in their government because of years and years of administrations of promising new and better times for them and not fulfilling their promises.

Like the old saying goes "some times the truth hurts "

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dabow — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:19:58 GMT

Like the old saying goes "some times the truth hurts "

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piltdownman — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:20:06 GMT

Barack Obama made the cardinal sin of American politics; he told the unvarnished truth.

And not only do many people vote against their own economic interests, but they also demand that politicians lie to them. They claim to want honest, straight-talking people in the mold of Harry Truman, when, in reality, they want people who will tell them what they want to hear. So no wonder there was an uproar over Obama's honesty!

And while the other campaigns and the media want to spin this as a negative and as a "gaffe," I have a feeling that lots of my neighbors in PA and elsewhere might stop and think; "Hey, this guy Obama gets it."

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:21:31 GMT

Obama never said a word about Clinton during the Bosnia lie. Never said a word about the Mark Penn conflict. As soon as Obama words the truth were people confuse what he is saying, she just pounces like he "robbed a bank" as Bill Clinton put it when the media pounced on her for he LIE. Nobody ever says how much of a gentlemen Barack is. He's been a gentlemen this whole time. Hillary is an mean-spirited opportunist!

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meghan21578 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:21:33 GMT

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

So basically what Obama is saying is because Small town people have it rough, they now are gun toting, racist, prejudice and religious nuts. People can be bitter for all sorts of reasons including their lot in life, but that doesn't mean they become crazy radicals.

Maybe they "cling" to their guns cause they like to hunt as a way of getting food for their family. Maybe they "cling" to religion because they have faith in God and no that he will help them through their hard times. I'm sure though that bitterness because of the economy and government doesn't make people racist and prejudice. If they are that way it's probably a learned behavior, not something that just happened because they lost their jobs.

Actually I don't think anybody is "clinging" to anything. Why when Obama talks about Jesus and his faith it's because he's such a good Christian, but down on their luck people talk about their love for God and Religion it's because they are bitter about their lot in life.

Now he is being called an elitist, well maybe that's because he was sitting in front of rich people in San Francisco trying to explain to them why the poor folk in Pennsylvania are hurting. Give me a break. Did he talk to these people, did he ask them, are these quotes from their mouths. Then how the hell is he going to know what is upsetting the poor, white folks of Pennsylvania. Cause as we all know he knows nothing about being a Poor White Person in Pennsylvania. Especially not sitting up in his Million Dollar Mansion in Illinois.

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:21:36 GMT

Hussein Obama is a silly, little sissy. It's so appropriate his comments about middle America took place in San Fran. I had discounted the rumours about the alleged,limo ridin, rock smokin, man lovin', allegations of Larry Siclair. Then I see the video of him bowling. I'll bet Elton John could outbowl and look more manly doing it. Then right after I see the video, comes this report. Judge signs off on Sinclair lawsuit. Allows it to go forward. hmm...lots of questions.

NOBAMA!!!

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meghan21578 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:27:33 GMT

Posted By: deanna500 (April 15, 2008 at 9:21 )

Okay then Deanna, I have another question for you. Why when Clinton misspeaks do all the Obama supporters out there like to blast her from here to Kingdom Come, but whenever Obama does it we are just supposed to let it go and not say a word?? This is an election to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, we are supposed to critique the candidates and see what they are about and question them and learn about them and their beliefs. Otherwise you are blindly electing an unfit person, because they have given a few good speeches. You know what is the point of Hope and Change if there is no substance to back it up, no plans to put it in action. Open your eyes and do some research, don't just follow the blind herd.

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apolemic — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:29:18 GMT

HolyRoller,

Do you live on this site? Stumper needs to start charging you rent for the square footage you're taking up.

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Adora — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:32:50 GMT

I am a life long republcan but no more. My vote will be for Obama. He is the only one that is for the people and he tells it like it is. Hillary will say or do anything(lie to your face) to get your vote. What obama said is the truth and anyone who doesn't believe it is just kidding them selves. You Hillary supporters just love it when she makes a fool of herself as she is doing right now. The elitist that has you fooled will be gone soon but not soon enough.

Obama for President!!!

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:34:47 GMT

I'm just the founder, CEO, and President, of the NOBAMA '08 election committee. Business is booming.

NOBAMA!!!

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olderwiser — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:38:02 GMT

Reading the extreme comments by readers of these articles illustrates that we are a chronically divided country with an ever growing number of people who are very harsh with all who disagree with them. A democracy is a system of government, though, that recognizes that people will disagree on crucial points of governance, but also recognizes that all must be represented. Hence, nothing will work but compromise by all to reach a consensus, after which government ensues until the next election. A system of debate to reach this consensus must be civil, so that these compromises can take place. We are the grass roots on the prairie, so to speak, and in order to have healthy grass, we must get along in such a way that all varieties of grass may continue to grow. Lighten up a little. Get smart. Think a while before you use such harsh and damaging language in response to someone who disagrees with you. These computer word processors are a miracle. Let's use them in a way which recognizes their capability to improve this country. The world depends on this country to continue to light the way to a better way to live and if we fail in this, we take others down with us. Our government can be no better than its voters. Please try to do better. Thank you for the opportunity to say this.

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bcrawf2033 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:44:31 GMT

Senator Clinton created this non-issue, non-story, in her usual divisive way. There are many Americans who are bitter and rightly so. I am a native of Pittsburgh PA and watched the work at the mills decline in the late 1950's early 1960's. Most of the towns I grew up in are ghost towns and good paying jobs never did return to those areas. I left Pittsburgh as a young woman because I couldn't find a job. I am a woman veteran who served proudly in the U.S. Army for 20 years. Now, I'm disabled, can't make it on military retirement and still have to work when and were I can. Obama was right! We voted for people to help us over the years, and many of us are worse of now than when we were young. Fifty years is a long time to wait for your government to act on behalf of its people. Too long! Obama 08.

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:45:16 GMT

HollyShitRoller is out on the rampage again!

I thought he was chained down in some mental home......

Will somebody please rein him in?

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:48:48 GMT

There are so many youth learning about politics, the u.s. map for that matter and giving a rats pittuti about an election. Youth and many adults didn't feel there was any use in voting because nothing in their town ever changed. This is the first time sence the 70's that people actually feel they have a say and can make a difference. The whole reason for this is Barack! The only way to really change things is for the people to get involved and he causes that not Hillary. I am a Socialogist which is the study of groups of people. Ask any other Socialogist and they will tell you that Obama's statements are sound. Some people just don't like hearing the truth.

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Newsweekbhg — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:57:30 GMT

I think PA will agree with Obama. Hillary will spin McCain will spin and the media will spin. But in the end PA will stop and conclude "This guy understands. Not totally, but he understands".

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:57:51 GMT

hotstuff has been identified as a silly, little sissy. This is a very common side effect of, worshipping at the alter in The Sect of Obama. Starts by becoming a common everyday , glassy eyed groupie.

Then the virus mutates into a full blown attack of obamamohammeditis. Only known cure involves guns a bibles. Obamamohammeds usually reject treatment.

NOBAMA!!!

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15R8 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:57:56 GMT

Very good article

This story has leggs Obamma continues to show :

HE DOES NOT GET IT!!

Maybe being raised in foreign lands took away too much from to truly understand anyone below the yuppie level.I grew up in a house where I use to have to kill rats with a baseballbat to keep the vermin from eating the stores in thre"root celler" We were lower middleclass , christian and my father owned a moose rifle. He was a firstsargent who came home from the war and died. My mother did not cling to religion she embraced it.Praise god fro my upbringing.

LISTEN BARRACK THE LOWER MIDDLE CLASS DOES VOTE ECONOMIC ISSUES.

oviously you aren't intrested in people below yuppies or you would know that

Illegal aliens are an economic issue and Annie Oakley is a hero

You sir have no intention of listening to the middleclass and DON'T GET IT

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15R8 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:58:04 GMT

Very good article

This story has leggs Obamma continues to show :

HE DOES NOT GET IT!!

LISTEN BARRACK THE LOWER MIDDLE CLASS DOES VOTE ECONOMIC ISSUES.

oviously you aren't intrested in people below yuppies or you would know that

Illegal aliens are an economic issue and Annie Oakley is a hero

You sir have no intention of listening to the middleclass and DON'T GET IT

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millerm84 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:58:07 GMT

@ Mariann Pepitone

I'm from North Carolina, and you can take it from me south-eastern rural blue collar americans really do vote based on guns, gay rights, and religion(or God if you will). However, Obama's commits were wrong bitter is not the correct word, ignorance is the correct word. Its ignorance that sells gun rights to blue collar families (who do hunt and constitutionally justified while they do) while they worry about "gang bangers" breaking into their home with automatic weapons, both groups cling to their guns, but only one votes. Its ignorance that gay marriage will destroy the moral fabric of this nation. I can't tell you how many people have told me over the years "You need to vote for who God tells you to vote for!" which is, you guessed it ignorance (don't believe me, just look at where voting strictly by your faith has gotten Iran) . And its true most blue collar americans vote gun rights or religion (which also is anti-gay rights as homosexuality is a sin according to the christian faith). So no, its not an "elitist" remark (coming from the candidate with the smallest net worth do some research there) its an ugly truth that cannot be sugar coated enough to be positive. To all south eastern blue collar americans I've just offended, please feel free and prove me wrong, vote with intelligence, and not for the candidate closest to your feelings on the "3Gs"(Guns, Gays, and God).

And to clear the air, I am not some clueless yuppie college kid ridding on mommy and

daddy's meal ticket credit card, I'm a 24 year old working class american who seen all the debates, weighs the real issues (Free trade agreements, health care (of which I have none), Iraq, our nation's foreign policy, the environment, and ect. ). Whom I vote for is up to me, but Obama's only slip was substituting "bitter" for "ignorance".

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:02:56 GMT

Let's see, "Home In The World".

Indonesia-mohammedville

Kenya-mohammedville

Pakistan-mohammedville

I guess Hussein Obama is "Home" in mohammedville.

A mohammed in the White House? God Forbid. And He has.

NOBAMA!!!

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15R8 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:03:33 GMT

HEY HOTSTUFF

maybe you should take anger management . Lets sing I'M so happy,so happy &bright

READ MESSAGEBOARDS pg.2918 MESSAGE 35012 middleminded then tell me what wou think

remember i'm so happy

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ike2000 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:06:03 GMT

Olserwise, We are not a divided country, however, we feel BITTER that the elitist media has ignored a more bitting and deceptive fairytale told by Hillary about coming under crossfire at the Bosnia airstrip, for a measly "BITTER" description of the prevailing misery -- not only in rural settings but across America.

Obama should not deviate from that statement, for, it is the TRUE-TRUTH.

For 20 years, the Clinton and Bushes have ruled this nation, creating all the eyesores in these undeserved areas. Tell me, what difference will Hillary make? It is clearly time for a new direction devoid of the Bush-Clinton pendulum. Note: the 28-year old teenager, Chelsea, is waiting in the wings - with a more fervent presidential ambition. So is Jeb Bush. So by my estimation, if we allow it, the cycle will be as follows: Hillary (8 years); Jeb Bush (8-years) and Chelsea (8years).

Obama is not a politician. Double speak, he does not, rather, tells it like it is! We The Peolple are tired of these Used-Car, Snake-Oil hoodlums, with their trail of lies coming to hoodwink us this season. It is time we throw them rascals off the face of this globe ... not only in America, but in the rest of the world.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

dreece — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:06:19 GMT

I find most of the responses to this issue very narrow minded. When will we look at an issue for what it actually is - come on people this is politics at its worse. Like a few of the post have mentioned the media is only picking up snipets of info and you guys are running a muck with this - since when did we become judge and jury? We saw a few clips of his ministers sermon and declared him the utmost racist - his wife makes a comment of just now being proud of America. What was the whole content of this conversation. Hillary wants to take the light off of her obvious lie and lack of information on income Bill received - so yea they want Obama to look like he's downing someone. Obama was not born with a silver spoon. If I can recall he was raised in a single parent home but he is the elite one go figure. My problem is with people trying to convince someone to believe a person is a fraud/liar on half the available information. Do you honestly believe that Rev. Wright spoke like that for 20 years? Do you honestly believe that America including small town PA is not bitter and definitely praying more? I can't speak on the gun toting issue since I keep a gun because I know how hard it is out here and I don't want anyone running up into my home taking what little I have - I am tried of all the mud slinging can we just get to the real issues. I don't belive half of what they are promising anyway - If you know anything about politics you know a president is only as strong as his Congress. So all of them are blowing a lot of smoke! They can promise the world that doesn't mean you will get that promise. So Just bear in mind that you should chose the candidate that supports the things you support. I won't necessary judge a person by the company they keep or has kept. Cause just because one person thinks a particular way doesn't mean I do. I am not in a position to judge anyone - I leave that to the Lord. All I can hope is that the person that is placed in office represents the American people. Not the rich, not just the poor but everyone! We needed to recognize that this is not about us! It's Gods will and his battle. Forgive me for bouncing all over the place with this blog - I have a lot to say and a short time to say it in.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:09:22 GMT

Hang in there, Hillary. The longer this campaign goes, the more of Obama real true colors are exposed. If the democrates want to win in Novemeber, we better pick someone besides Obama.

This guy is a left wing liberal. He is the one that keeps putting his foot in his own mouth. The only time he can answer correctly is in his prepared speeches. If he is commenting on his own, he brings out the true self. It is the true self of Obama that America needs to see.

This is not the guy we want in the seat of the President.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

austria2 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:10:13 GMT

Who knows what is in Obama's mind and heart about his 'bitter' comment? Can we read his mind and heart? He tried to explain it. Was he telling the truth? Well, twice he lied. First, the Canadian connection. He denied there was contact with Canadian official; but when a Canadian memo came out, he was forced to admit it. Second, he denied hearing personally the controversial sermon of his pastor; then admitted he heard it during his so called famous speech.

In one of their debates, Hillary complained that it was hard to have a straight debate with Obama because he does not accept responsibility for his action. If questioned, he would say that was not what he meant and then try to explain himself out of trouble.

In his state, he voted 'present' 130 times ;not 'yes' or 'no.' As if he has no conviction.

And this is one of what my religion teaches me 'Those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...false witness.'

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:14:18 GMT

Even the Obama supporters can't explain this one.

This is as bad as calling his rich grandmother that raised him as "typical white woman" but in the same sentence he is saying that we need to get over racism.

Or Michelle saying that in the first time in her life she is proud to be an American< (why hasn't she always been proud to be American?)

Or Rev Wright saying G D America, but Obama didn't hear that but yeah he did hear it and if Rev. Wright had remain as Pastor, Obama would have left the church. However Rev. Wright is still the Senior Pastor of the CHurch and Is still paid a salary by the Trinity Church.

These are just some of the Obama issues.......the list goes on and on and on.

Wake up America. Vote for someone besides Obama. If we don't now, we will have a Republican in office again. Obama will not win in November.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:14:25 GMT

Even the Obama supporters can't explain this one.

This is as bad as calling his rich grandmother that raised him as "typical white woman" but in the same sentence he is saying that we need to get over racism.

Or Michelle saying that in the first time in her life she is proud to be an American< (why hasn't she always been proud to be American?)

These are just some of the Obama issues.......the list goes on and on and on.

Wake up America. Vote for someone besides Obama. If we don't now, we will have a Republican in office again. Obama will not win in November.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:18:15 GMT

We can discuss taxes,trade, environment, etc...MSM is afraid to address the #1 issue of our time. Islamic terrorism. To ignore the topic is foolhardy. The Republicans will not. This is the most important election of any of our lives, and here is a very brief comment on my view, of the matter.

Religion is a main issue in this race, quite possibly THE ISSUE. It absolutely IS in HolyRollers eyes. This is VERY REAL. Mohammed would love to mass murder as many Americans as possible. If you cannot believe anything else I have said, believe this. If you don't agree with this statement, then you are an ostrich with its head in the sand, OR you are on their side. I pray your an ostrich. Don't believe me now?...well you will very soon. WE ARE LIVING IN THE LATTER DAYS. Take it to the bank. You're spirit already confirms this to be the truth, and we cannot afford to ignore this truth.

NOBAMA!!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

joepublic — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:22:54 GMT

He IS elitist and does not get it. Recall his comment in Iowa, trying to act like he was in touch?

Quote, "Have you seen the price of arugula at Whole Foods?"

BO, have you any idea that most people buy their groceries at Wal Mart?

He is sneaky, and can't be trusted

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:25:53 GMT

Barack Obama hit them head-on. The OLD, business-as-usual, Senators can take the truth, the do nothings. Ask the two,"How are you going to pay back the Chinese for all the Billions you have borrowed to fight the conflict you voted for?"

True colors? Like Hillary constantly being a liar, fabricating stories, or how she was against something she has consistently supported?

McCain, last night, said,"increasing intelligence world-wide" will be his "TOP priority". Not our economy. Yeah, vote for more blank checks, and say you will crack down on spending, you hippocrat.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:29:56 GMT

McCain's solution to creating more jobs: "I will try to get more small town, hard working folks to enlist in the armed services, and feel how great it is to support our Country."

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

katmarie — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:30:56 GMT

The thing that really gets me however, is Hillary saying, how the Democrats have always been accused of being back room elitists, when she's the one who has been the most audacious person to accuse this of Obama! It feels like the circling buzzards and howling jeckles are relentlessly closing in on their prey... no wonder we're so disrespected throughout the rest of the WORLD!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:30:57 GMT

I had no idea that so many Americans were so synical. It seems no matter what people say, some will twist the words to sound so negative. He should not have had to explain what he meant because any intellegent person can understand what he meant. The negative people are acting like a smart-allic teenagers that turn everything you say around for their own benifit. Just like with people saying Bill accepted money for the Columbian deal. He did do that but I don't think people should accuse her for not really being against it. She really is against it despite her husbands opinion. I can understand that. I'm an adult. I understand sposes don't agree on everything. But as an intelligent adult, I also know Obama is not an elitist as he was raised in a single family home and worked with the average people for many years on the streets. Listen intellegently. You KNOW he was not putting people down. He was explining that the previous administrations have made promises they did not keep. Therefore, the people are bitter towards thinking that Washington will really do anything for them.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:34:19 GMT

Smokin opium in Pakistan at 20 makes him a world leader? Learning mohammed doctrine in Indonesia makes him an informed diplomat? Having a Kenyan Christian exterminating cousin makes him globally aware?? All of mohammedville is praying to Allah for his election. Why?? Because then they could declare that The Great Satan America, has fallen. I say, send 'em a boatload of virgins. That will help solve the problem. Ask Qaddafi. Haven't had much trouble out of him since Reagan sent him a little housewarming gift. Hussein Obama is a crook and a fraud.

NOBAMA!!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:35:15 GMT

Especially, the television reporters and candidate surrogates, Deanna500.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:36:02 GMT

The reason Obama thinks that the people are relgious nuts is because Obama has no religion. Obama attended Trinity for 17 years. He says he is a Christian but Obama was led to Christianity by Rev. Wright. Rev Wright preaches Hate America. G D AMerica. White America gave Aids to black America. What kind of religion is that? so when the middle class turns to God for guidance and help, Obama doesn't understand that type of religion. Obama is use to the Anti America, Anti White, Black liberation religion.

From the heart, the mouth speaks...........Satan can only keep quite for a little while.

Obama must attract the young and the elite to support him. The true Americans that love their country, will not vote for an left wing liberal that is Anti AMerican. No wonder the taliban dances in the streets when Obama wins a primary. Vote for Hillary if Hillary is not the nominee, Vote for McCain. SAVE AMERICA

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

bitter and mad about it — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:38:55 GMT

All who thinks Mr. Obama is an elitist needs to get a life. He hit he nail right on the head. I am bitter all right. Bitter about the high price of gas, the high cost of food and high taxes that the middle class worker has to pay. Taxes places on us so that we can pay for the outrageous war in Iraq. Hillary and Mccain need to get a life. The middle class is bitter all right. We might not want to talk about it but we are more than bitter.

GO BARACK!!!!!! SPEAK THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHO GETS OFFENDED. IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEONE SHOWED US THE LIGHT. GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE. SOME ONE HAS TO TAKE THE BLIND FOLD OFF OF OUR EYES.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:43:12 GMT

How are we going to pay off all our debt.? Social Security is at risk, jobs are leaving the Country for un-Fair Trade practices, where we have constraints to abide to, while third world countrys allow slavery, and Mega-pollution. People in China work for the equivalent of fifty dollars per week. In Monterrey, Mexico, they work for the equivalent of up to one hundred dollars per week.

Both these Countries pollute at will, and we breath that same air, as it floats around the globe, adding to the greenhouse effect. HOW IS THIS FAIR TRADE? Oh, the top one percent in our Country collect large profits, making our economy look fantastic. WAKE-UP AMERICA !!!

NAFTA has got to be changed or eliminated. We must have equalizing tariffs, that make it illogical for businesses to even think about moving plants, and jobs to other Countries.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:46:07 GMT

I am very religious, and I never attend church. Going to Church does not make you "have religion". Most people who go to church, feel guilty about something, or want to look like goody-goodies. God is with us always. A Church, temple, synagogue, mosque, whatever, are just gathering points.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:46:49 GMT

johnboy21...your comment about the Taliban is 100% correct. Imagine the mohammedville celebrations if he became President. The avg. obamamohammed wants to believe 9/11 was an inside job of the Bush admin. They truly believe Sharia Law is part of a religion of love and inclusiveness.

This keeps up and we may have to pull the Templar Knights out of retirement.

NOBAMA!!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:47:21 GMT

Young People wake up. You are being used by the Obama campaign to get him elected.

We are not picking an American Idol .....we are voting for a President. Someone that will protect America and stand up for America. Someone that represents America to the rest of the world. Someone who can make good decisions on what is best for our future in America.

Do you honestly believe that Obama can do that?

I don't. Obama is a left wing liberal with close ties to Black Liberation, Rezko, Farrnahkan, Anti-America, Bill Ayers, Oil Companies, Rev. Wright, Rev. Meek, and the list goes on. READ AMERICA, READ........dont vote just becuase he makes empty promises.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:49:43 GMT

Black Liberation Is the same as KKK.

Black Liberation is the teaching of Black power.

KKK is the teaching of White Power.

Black Liberation Theology was what the Trinity Church had on it's web site before the web site was changed. The web site was changed after the comments from Rev. Wright was played on TV.

I would never vote for a supporter of Black Liberation or a supporter of KKK. Vote HIllary.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:50:47 GMT

GE is in Iran. IBM is in India. Maytag, Whirlpool, Mary Kae, and dozens of others, are in Monterrey,Mexico. Nike is in Malaysia. Pick up a pair of blue jeans at any store. The only U.S.A. brand you will find is Oshkosh, from Oshkosh, Wisconsin. The people of North Carolina know how all their cotton milling jobs left for overseas, and that was twenty years back.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:51:51 GMT

All you racist, and feminism voters can stay home.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:56:12 GMT

I'd rather have a president who knows that the average person is frustrated than one who feels we are doing just fine. Resilientcy has nothing to do with it. People will press on. Dosen't mean they are not frustrated with current politics.

Obama-People are frustrated and bitter about Washington - Most people are (In touch)

Clinton-People are resilient - So what! (Out of touch)

McCain-That's not the America he knows - What America does he know? (Out of touch)

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

katmarie — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:56:55 GMT

GOBAMA!!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:05:57 GMT

katmarie-don't you mean...ROLL TIDE???

NOBAMA!!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Jack3213 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:09:55 GMT

WHO EXACTLY IS BITTER AND WHY? THOSE WHO ARE ANGRY THAT THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED OR BECAUSE THEIR LIFESTYLE HAS NOT BEEN EQUAL WITH THOSE WHO WORK HARD AND EARN THEIR WAY? ARE THEY BITTER BECAUSE THEIR HAND OUTS ARE SMALLER? ARE THEY BITTER BECAUSE THEY DON''T WANT TO FIGHT IN A WAR THAT IS SAVING THEIR FREEDOMS? ARE THEY BITTER BECAUSE NO DEMOCRAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO CONVINCE THEM THEY DESERVE MORE BUT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, TOO? SURE, THEY ARE BITTER.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

mnash — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:16:07 GMT

Well, I'd rather have someone who can honestly say people are hurting and bitter and at least acknowledge this country has a problem instead of someone standing time after time lying about their Bosnia experience!!!! And someone who has 109 million dollars can't possible "be in touch with regular people.!!!!"

And I wonder how and what will happen to her campaign when the pending case Peter Paul vs William Jefferson Clinton Fraud case #305174 at 0801 am April 25, 2008 appears in the headlines again in Los Angeles CA . Wonder how many lies will be spun then??? "Elitist???" Wonder how Ed Rendell will feel about her campaign when his name pops up in court????

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:19:35 GMT

Jack3213 must not be somebody looking hard for a job, or someone who had their pension taken away, or someone who has a salary not keeping up with inflated prices.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

VoteResponsibly08 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:24:48 GMT

Words, Words, Words he said..Mean everything that he speaks now he want to renig..It seems that when it is convenient for Obama, his words mean everything and when not "He regrets..but...

Give us a break, you are showing your true colors Mr. Obama!!! Your condecending, aloof, and you have gotten a little to big for your britches...Shame on you! However God knows who you are and he will show the people your true colors...You are an Anti-American Supporter..for Twenty years you supported Wright, your mentor...Well a job well done! Rev Wright! but I say no thank you! and we should all ponder on all his and Michelles little messages of anti-Americanism and ponder again before its to late!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:24:49 GMT

Have you read the article concerning the comments made by Indonesia. Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world. The leaders of Indonesia wants Obama to win the election.

of Course they do, Obama is one of them.

Save America. Keep the left wing liberal, present voting Senator, black liberation, with associates with Rev. Wright, Rev. Meek, William (bill) Ayers, Rezko, out of the Presidential race.

Vote Hillary if not hillary, vote for McCain. They are all liars. They are all crooks. They are all rich. At least, Hillary and Mc Cain are true Americans and love America. Obama is Anti-American.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:26:28 GMT

It is very hard to find this article on Newsweek.......I wonder why Newsweek who supports Obama is trying to make this article so hard to find. HMMMMMMM

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

cees14 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:26:50 GMT

ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING HIM FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH THAT NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. WE ARE BITTER!!!!!!!!!!! WITH THESE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS YOU SHOULD BE TOOOO................

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

J.Richter — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:18 GMT

I am bitter all right. Only a moron would not be if they lost heir job, have to pay nearly $4 for gas, is one or two payments from losing their home, while a good part of their tax is sent to fight a war whose motive has been fully discredited. Maybe I dont like to be told, but I am bitter allright. But I'd rather take that than the old politicians that come here, make the same promises, leave, take office and return in 4 years or retire and make millions and then remind us how they are like us. The comment does not suggest every religious person or hunter is - but that some who have lost their jobs that vote on this issue are. Are people able to read or they also like being told what to be angry about? All these understanding old politicians, if they were that good to us will we be where we are now?

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

J.Richter — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:24 GMT

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

VoteResponsibly08 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:28:37 GMT

No need to throw negatives to people that are already suffering! Obama is aloof and out of touch!

What happen to hope and change? Well his hope went down to the cliging of bitterness and his change doesn't seem to be the change that he represented...The gig is up! and we have to stop drinking the kool aid that Obamas has offered! His words are only litanies of complaints agains America and its people... Once again I say! A JOB WELL DONE REV WRIGHT! TWENTY YEARS OF MENTORING DID THE JOB!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

C. MacLean — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:30:38 GMT

To HolyRoller, who thinks "Islamic terrorism" is "the #1 issue of our time." It isn't. The number 1 issue our time is fear and hate caused by religious fundamentalists - including Christian Fundamentalists here in the US, Jewish Fundamentalists in Isreal, and Islamic fundamentalists, in multiple places.

Until we do a better job of really listening to each other, the fundamentalists who preach fear and hate will continue to win, and the rest of us will continue to lose.

Obama has his flaws, but his speech about bitterness is right on target. Our government has ignored the middle and working classes in favor of the rich. The haves are doing better, the havenots are doing worse. The far right (read Christian Fundamentalists) have manipulated the middle and working classes by using fear, anger, and divisiveness to keep us all from listening to each other.

And they do it by claiming their god is the only god, their way the only way, their book the only book.

Islamic terrorism isn't the number 1 problem of our time - hate/fear is the number 1 problem of our time.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:31:29 GMT

I am bitter. I am bitter that someone like Rev Wright can speak Anti America comments and still live in America.

I am bitter that someone like Hussein Obama is even a Senator.

I am bitter that someone like Obama can even come close to winning the Democratic Nomination.

I am bitter that Americans will vote for a person that believes in Black Liberation and call all the rest of us racist.

Wake up America. I am proud to be An American. I have always been proud to be an American.

I will vote for anyone in the race before I would vote for Barack Hussein Obama.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:33:06 GMT

Anyone who retires with more than $75,000 a year coming in, should NOT receive Social Security. Social Security is an insurance, not a given.

Shell companies that provide TOTAL tax shelters for Fortune 500 Corporations, have got to be eliminated. Removal of this "loop-hole", as McCain, Hillary, and all the other OLD BUSINESS-AS-USUAL Senators put it, (but have NOT CHANGED IT), would increase IRS revenues by hundreds of millions of dollars, by this one, do it in a day, action alone. But Hillary and McCain both take lobbyist money, which Obama does not.

Nobody is talking about that past Clinton supporter and friend, Paul, who raised millions and millions for them. Now he has a law suit pending against them.

Paul v. Clinton is a civil suit filed in 2004 and currently being held in Los Angeles County Superior Court. The plaintiff Peter Paul, alleges that President Bill Clinton and his wife, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, deceived him into paying for the Gala Hollywood Farewell Salute to President Clinton, during Hillary Clinton's first Senate race in 2000, by making a promise that the President would work for Paul's company, Stan Lee Media, after his Presidential term was over. Paul alleges that the President broke his promise and stole his business partner, causing his business to crumble and, further, that his contributions to Hillary Clinton's campaign were falsely reported to the Federal Election Commission. Besides the Clintons, three other individuals who were involved in fundraising or the gala, are named as defendants in the suit. GO TO YOUTUBE AND WATCH VIDEO OF HILLARY, FIRST AS FRIEND, THEN, IGNORING QUESTION FROM REPORTER.

How about why Clinton Staffer, Dick Morris, who supported the Clintons for seven years, now calls Hillary a liar, and points out all her devious moves? See Dick Morris website to be enlightened.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:39:06 GMT

In case you haven't been reading the donation list for Obama, The oil companies like Shell, Exon and many others are contibuting thousands of dollars to the Obama campaign.

Have you ever wondered why? HMMMMMMMM

In case you suffer from the Obama blindness diease, The oil companies are supporting the one that will help them the most.

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bombero — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:39:21 GMT

I love the fact that Sen.Clinton says Sen.Obama is out of touch,she is so out of touch its sad.

Her husband made $800,000 to promote a free trade deal with Colombia,and then her own

campaign manager makes $300,000 to do the same,which by the way she claims to be against.

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:40:16 GMT

C.MacLean-like I said in my post..."I pray your an ostrich."

Did I imagine 9/11???

Was the USS COLE an illussion??

Were the bombs in London, Spain. Bali just a practical joke??

Embassy bombings were only an attempt to creat constructive talking points.

THEY WANT US DEAD OR CONVERTED TO ISLAM.

They have never been shy in stating this agenda, quite loadly. I take them at their words, not to mention their actions.

Grow up.

NOBAMA!!!

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

Jack3213 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:41:41 GMT

The idea that Obama is the elitist and Bill and Hillary Clinton are practically a mom-and-pop restaurant is the dumbest thing to happen yet in a campaign that gets dumber, meaner and more of a slog by the day. Bill and Hillary Clinton are the royalty of American life. They got rich off the White House, rich beyond what anyone knew until they were dragged kicking and screaming into releasing their tax returns.The other day, Hillary Clinton was talking about the last two presidential elections, looking around for reasons why she thinks Al Gore and John Kerry lost. "Large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life," she said. Now she is saying that Obama is no better. She says that in every possible way on the campaign trail. It is her constant message to the superdelegates and maybe to the boys in the bar when she is throwing back shots with them - Obama is the worst kind of snob and can't win. This coming from someone married to a man who thinks he is the greatest, smartest politician who ever lived, smarter than everybody, but more desperate, occasionally in a grubby way, to get back to the White House

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bombero — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:41:42 GMT

I love the fact that Sen.Clinton says Sen.Obama is out of touch,she is so out of touch its sad.

Her husband made $800,000 to promote a free trade deal with Colombia,and then her own

campaign manager makes $300,000 to do the same,which by the way she claims to be against.

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

J.Richter — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:43:07 GMT

Please johnboy just sheath your keyboard. Think! Four years from now if you have your way, we'll be at the same place or close or worse.

Think: Imagine you are right:

Even if Obama is KKK or black power (and black liberation theology is from the 60s and is not black power and I think its objective was justified then which is why our government made 100% of white people changed the laws and things are still improving), hes still going to have 98 white sentators and 1 hispanic one out of 100 to go through not to talk of the congress, law enforcement etc.

He will be only able to insititute the progressive agenda that people we heard from him - and none of his own words have indicated that he has any interest in doing anything else. Neither has his term in Illinois or in the US senate. Remember he did not just land here from the moon and trust me because of who he is, we are even more eager to scrutinize his past and we will.

Condescending will give us jobs or reduce the cost of gas? Maybe we think it doesnt matter who the president is, it wont affect our lives a lot as long as we believe he is somehow not looking down on us (even if he will have a 100million 12 year later).

The unfortunate thing is Obama's candidacy is now allowing the closet loonies to come out and start talking about white knights and more crazy stuff while our country keeps going down compared to China and others. Now we have our defense partially outsourced to China. Look over the past 6000 years starting from the Romans to recently the British all big powers end. Very soon (next 20 to 50 years) your knights would be left holding on to a second rate country to more powerful ones if we dont start voting with our brains instead of this silly stuff. Somehow our think we will (compared to other countries that went lower or down and out).

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

J.Richter — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:45:17 GMT

In case you suffer from the Obama blindness diease, The oil companies are supporting the one that will help them the most.

You are right on this one johnboy. The oil companies have contributed 700,000+ to clinton, 400K+ to McCain, and 270K to Obama. Please do some research. Please...

re: Bittergate: Is Obama an 'Elitist'?

sarah.westbound — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:54:09 GMT

I would just like to say to HollyRoller,

Do you even know what Islam is? Apparently you don't. Being a Muslim doesn't make you a bad person, in fact, if you knew anything about the religion, you would know that the bulk of muslims lead a very charitable and peaceful life. May I remind you that Christianity has a horrible history of killing those that don't agree with God's doctrine? You do remember little things like the four crusades and marching up to the Irish and Scottish nations to convert pagans and druids to Christianity, right? You do know what happened to those that didn't convert, right? I hope you do, because if you don't, then you have no reason to be speaking about a religion that by and large does not preach those things. Like Christianity, much of Islam is left up to interpretation, and many choose to interpert the religion in the non-ratical way, just like many Christian's interpert the bible in the non-ratical way. But just as there are raticals in Christianity, there will be raticals in Islam, Judiasm, and all religions around the world.

New flash for you, because you seem to need a history lesson; if the West and the U.N. in 1948 hadn't removed 3 to 4 million Palestinians from their homes in order to create Israel, we would probably not be having as many problems in the middle east as we are today. I suggest you read a book by Jimmy Carter called Palestine: Peace, not Apparthied. This is a man that is seen as one of the foremost experts on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict that we and the rest of the western world have helped to create.

If you don't agree, that's you're problem, but just because someone is a Muslim does not make them a bad person. Would I care that Barack Obama is a Muslim, no I wouldn't, but the statement is null-in-void because he is NOT Muslim.

The problem with Barack Obama is that he is hypocritical in his comments. He is on record as supporting Israel and saying that the U.S. can have no greater friend, yet he attends a church that preaches a doctrine that highlights Palestinian problems and sympathises with them. Is sympathising with Palestinians a bad thing? No, it's not. Is Sympathising with Israeli civilians who get caught up politics that have been in the making for 60 or 70 years wrong? No, it's not. But you can't say that Israel is our best friend and we're not going to let anything happen to them, and then agree with a pastor who believes that Palestinians should have their own state. In this country, you will get shish-kabobed.

What is more troubling to me is his associations with known, admitted terrorists, people like William Ayers and his wife, who have no problem admitting that they bombed the pentagon, the capitol building and places in NYC. TO THIS DAY, they do not repent, an in 2007, when asked about this by a reporter, David Axelrod (Campaign Mngr. for Obama 08) said "they are certainly friendly." Michelle Obama, who was assoicate dean of an Illinois university has had the man speak at numerous classes, Obama was with him!

The point of all this is that the Media has not properly vedded Barack Obama. He has unsavory connections; William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Farakhan, etc, etc. William Ayers is a man that wishes he HAD DONE MORE BOMBINGS, KILLED MORE PEOPLE. He literally says, "I don't think we did enough. I don't regret it at all." (Times, Sept. 2001...of all years). This is a guy that supports terrorism...if Barack Obama is associated with such radical people as Ayers who support terrorism, and his Pastor of 20 years, you HAVE to ask yourself the question; if he doesn't support what these people support, then why does he still have connections with them? You don't attend a church that you don't agree with, and you don't have a Pastor marry you and baptise your children whom you don't trust, agree, and adore with all your heart.

In other words; Barack Obama, what is it that you stand for? You need to tell us, because I promise you, if you are the nominee and you go against John McCain...you won't have a chance in Hell when all this comes out. You will be seen as an Israel hating, terrorist loving, left-wing radical going up against a patriot and a man who has served in our armed forces and was a POW for five years. There go your independent votes, and any liberal republicans you may have gotten in the General.

Just something to think about.

Sarah

(Who does not support anyone in this race)

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:57:34 GMT

The people that are "OUT-OF-TOUCH" are the ones that believe Hillary Clinton is more

"In-Touch".

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:58:55 GMT

By the way. those of you posting "Hate Speech", are being tracked by Bush's anti-terrorism henchmen.

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:03:55 GMT

Sarah-I know you mean well, but your quite misled. Are there "good" muslims? I'm sure there are some. Guess they are just afraid to condemn there fellow mohammeds actions. And in the rare circumctance that they do, it is not very loudly. Read the Koran and Haditha. Any mohammed that regularly attends mosque, prays 5 times to Mecca, and follows the doctrine, would not shed a tear for any Western tragedy. So keep your head in the sand. I guess it makes you feel safe.

NOBAMA!!!

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meghan21578 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:07:16 GMT

Posted By: cees14 (April 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM)

ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING HIM FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH THAT NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. WE ARE BITTER!!!!!!!!!!! WITH THESE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS YOU SHOULD BE TOOOO................

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I would venture a guess that people didn't have a problem with him calling us bitter. Maybe the problem I and many others had is that he called us "Bitter" Gun toting, racist, prejudice, Jesus Freaks. Cause you know our bitterness has caused us to "cling" to our guns, religion, hate for other people and trade. I'm pretty sure the bitter part wasn't the problem.

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sarah.westbound — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:14:10 GMT

HollyRoller,

That's rich. Unlike you, I'm actually arabic, my fathers side of the family is muslim and they live in the middle east. You know who you remind me of? Pat Robertson, who just last week said (again) that "Islam is not a religion". I would say that you also mean well, but you don't. Your comments are racially charged and filled with bigotry; but I suppose that is because YOUR head is in the sand, and you are ignorant of the world as a whole, which shows clearly in your statements, because they are all about 'mohammedville' and whatever else you decided to call places that practice Islam...which, btw, America is a place where people practice islam. I suppose, in your book, that that makes the US 'mohammedville' too.

I know plenty of Muslims that would shed a tear for a western tragedy. Many of them did on Sept. 11th, because they understand that the radicalism is wrong, and that it is more politically motivated than religously motivated. But, gain, I can't expect a person that has kept their head in the sand all these years to understand that intelligence.

Read a few books, visit a few foriegn countries, get some education, more than just watching the 700 club and watching nothing but FOX Noise. You may find that your narrowminded view of the world changes. I hope for your sake it does.

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nigelahmed — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:14:41 GMT

NOW THIS IS WHAT BILL CLINTON SAID IN 1991 and 1992, and 2004!!!!!

Bill Clinton, LA Times, 1991: "The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death."

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:18:44 GMT

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1 John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

2 According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

3 His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

4 McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

5 The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

6 He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

7 Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

8 McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

9 McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."

10 He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

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Esoxslayer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:21:08 GMT

The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."

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blacktideao — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:34:06 GMT

So, for comparison purposes, who's more of an Elitist? Obama? Clinton? McCain? Gee let me think... either one of the other two!

At least he's trying to speak honestly in plain English, which shows me that he's the complete opposite of what he's being labeled as. Who other than the media and opposing candidates to twist what everyone obviously knows he's saying since it's his style anyway. I'm specifically not voting for Clinton because she's after blood now and couldn't give a **** about the country I'm trying to live in. She wouldn't get anywhere and nobody will respect her. Fear, maybe, but that's not who I want in an elected office. McCain, I just don't think he's going to improve anything, and only going to keep the GOP's downward spiral. Is this war really ethical if the GOP has specifically admitted to trying to maintain the war rather than win it, so that they can make lots of money from the military supply companies they share pockets with? I have no respect for a war mongering McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb.... Bomb Bomb Iran" on his stroll into office in the morning.

I'm not even religious, mostly because I've spent a lot of time learning about religions, and every single person that has criticized Islam or Christianity should read more and know what you're talking about so you A) know what the heck you're talking about so you don't look like an idiot B) understand for yourself so you're a more intelligent individual.

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Jack3213 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:45 GMT

Esoxslayer: COMPARED TO OBAMA & CLINTON- MCCAIN IS FAR LESS SCARY--HONESTLY DON'T YOU THINK?

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HolyRoller — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:39:03 GMT

Esoxslayer-It's hard to carry on a real discussion in here w/o a reply option. But, I CHALLENGE you to an on-line debate concerning the Christian doctrine of Rod Parsley or John Hagee. Trying to slander true men of GOD??? But, I'm required to warn you. "woe to those that touch the Lord anointed." So if you think you know your stuff, and ain't scared of being revealed to be no more than a glassy-eyed groupie, who worships at the alter, of The Sect of Obama, let's talk.

How about this. Go to Hussein's Indonesian endorsement story, and let's see what you really know about Americans and REAL Men of God.

NOBAMA!!!

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Sava — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:00:16 GMT

The truth is as a president you have one chance to make your point. You can't come back later when you make a mistake to explain what you mean Mr. Obama. You can't come back and say oops, I didn't mean that, I meant this. One chance to deliver your message. One chance to make the right choice. Calling people bitter, then next day come back and explain what you meant does NOT cut it.

NOBAMA

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will b. — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:31:55 GMT

Look, i'm bitter, disgusted, angry, upset, and sick of this bull

that is going on against us as Americans. The hillary campaign

is also bitter, and angry. They can't find a way to beat Sen. Obama.

They never will neither. Saying Barack is an elitist when hill and bill

just made 109 mil. over seven years, is retarded. They(hill/bill) are extremely

dangerous as well as desperate. Bill Clinton said the same thing Barack did

only the words (truth) was switched around. Goodbye hillary, your devisive

campaign makes your horns grow even longer!

B. OBAMA '08

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:39:28 GMT

Yes, a president only has one chance to make a point. That's why we'd rather have liers in the White House. McCain lies, Clinton lies, Bush lies all over the place!

At least Barack was telling the truth wheather you like the way he said it or not.

It doesn't matter if you LIKE the WAY he said it, he said the truth! I guess America can't handle the truth!!

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:48:28 GMT

To 15R8 :

Anger management? Sure. Like blowing some brains and enlightenement

into your racism - infested skull!

You sing you´re happy? Understandable. Ignorance is bliss!!

And you prove that, time and time again. Your rants reveal your bigotry and

lack of education. Could you at least use a dictionary? Or copy your sister,

HollyShitRoller?

To HSR: Who let you out of your mental home? You must be pretty bored.

Shows in your monotonous posts. Continuous repetition. Everyone

else apart from you is a sissy. Is that the only word you learned as a child?

Now I get it, you were taunted as a sissy! That´s where you got your sissy-complex

from, poor little SissyHollyPollyRoller! Are you still in your chains? Still in that

dark cellar? Eating worms and whining?

To johnboy: Hi bi-racial, bi-mental, bi-guy, You´re the offspring of 15R8 and HollyShitRoller.

Damn, it must be a happy family reunion today for you guys! Still got those

McDonald coupons? Still not ashamed of the filth you leave behind?

Like father, like son? Your dad, 15R8, who happens to be your uncle as well,

and your mum, HollyShitRoller, who is also your aunt, are pretty role models for you,

huh? Your lives would be more than void without Obama.

So at least, you and your family owe your perverted sense of happiness to Obama!

Show a little gratitude, moronic bigots!

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citron16 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:50:57 GMT

Obama is an Elitist!!! NOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

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wgoin — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:51:10 GMT

What Barack Obama said is true - not only of people from small towns but also people of large cities. When we are feeling we have no hope in our politicians and no way to make a difference we all cling to whatever makes us feel good - guns (not me), religion, friends and family - whatever. He may not have said it in the best way but what he said is true. And, he still said it much better than Bush has or McClain or Clinton ever would.

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wgoin — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:54:41 GMT

To HollyRoller: You are truly pathetic. Barack Obama is more of a Christian than someone like you ever could be. You flaunt your beliefs when truly you have none. You are a scared, racist and you show it with every word you write.

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wgoin — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:33 GMT

To Jack 3213: Sure McCain is less frightening is you want a President who is eager to continue a war that has cost this country over 4,000 lives; $460 billion and counting; it's reputation in the world; and who wants to continue the tax cuts for the wealthy. And, he's less scary if you want a President who, when asked what he would do about the economy said, "I don't really know much about the economy." Oh yeah - he's soooo much less scary. Get real!!!

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wgoin — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:37 GMT

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wgoin — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:37 GMT

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:59:09 GMT

I don't understand why some here have so much hate. The venum that's comeing from some of these bloggers is deplorable. You seem, well.....bitter.

All the candidate have made mistakes. We all have made mistakes. How can you cast these stones?

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Reddawg — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:02:44 GMT

I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!!!! Yet another day of Hillary calling Obama an elitist. Are you that desparate Hillary that you have to cling to this like flies on you know what????? Can you not come up with something else already?????? You have to dig this into the American people's faces so much that it makes you want to puke. It was a statement that spoke the truth. Barack is more in touch with the middle class than you will ever be. You & your husband made over 109 million dollars, how can you ever know how the working class lives. Bitter????? Yes we are!!

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JLPARK — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:05:35 GMT

THIS IS MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING. THE MEDIA WON'T LET IT GO AND HILLARY KNOWS THAT THE FAT LADY IS STARTING TO SING.FOR MONTHS NOW HILLARY HAS BEEN SAYING THAT THE SMALL STATES DIDN'T MATTER BEACAUSE SHE WAS WINNING THE BIG STATES, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE SMALL STATES, WHAT A OPPORTUNIST. THIS IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HATE ABOUT POLITICS. WE PICK AT EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. GET WITH THE ISSUESS, PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THE WAR, GAS AND FOOD PRICES. THIS IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS.

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Reddawg — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:09:55 GMT

To Jack 3213: There is no way McCain is the less frighttening of the 3.. He wants to continue Bush's war. Over 4,000 of our men & women were killed to free the Iraqi people. Not to mention the thousands of the service men & women who come back limbless, with brain injury, & with PTSD. McCain will keep this war going. We need to bring those troops home to protect the homefront. This country needs a do over, it is falling apart after 8 years with George Bush.

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old scout — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:17:57 GMT

I believe there are two factors driving this overblown "bittergate" affair. One is the interminable campaign which leaves the candidates and the media too much time to search for issues and to parse every word spoken and inflate every perceived mistake into something unrecognizable from its true dimensions. Second, I believe that we don't like it when our warts are exposed and we are asked to do some self-examination. Twice now Obama has touched raw nerves. First on racial issues and now on our self delusion with social issues that Republicans have masterfully used to divert us from their willful exploitation of the little guy. People cringe when they are told "we have met the enemy and it is us."

Obama challenges us to set aside our prejudices, social and political, and to come together to talk out the true causes for our pain. People are crying for change, but what kind of change do they expect to happen if they reject a politician who at long last is willing to tell them the truth and to ask them to change. He has proven his political courage. The question is whether we are ready to prove ours.

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:18:05 GMT

This is much to do about nothing!

If you don't like how he said something, who cares? Students don't like what their teachers say either! People don't like the way their boss says things to them either. So what? That's life. We get over it and move on because in the end, you know they're right.

Stop finding things to berate Obama over. He's a great guy and he wants what's best for this country and so far he has inspiried so many people to have hope again. That's what this country needs. Without hope, we don't try to make changes.

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:22:04 GMT

I thought this beared repeating!!!!

Posted By: old scout (April 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM)

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brian.reach — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:32:52 GMT

meghan21578: You hit the nail on the head. I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm not stupid - I know when it's important, and when it isn't - the word bitter didn't bother me, it was that he was condescending towards religion, and made it sound like religious people with a gun rack were all redneck gun-totin' *** racists.

Yes, you Obama supporters, there is absolutely a reason to be irritated by his comments.

They were far from Presidential. This isn't about race, or bias. It's about why Obama is so arrogant, and shows that he doesn't bring people together, he just talks and talks and talks and tries to get everyone to agree with his perspective.

I'm a die-hard Hillary fan - she fights for what's right - healthcare reform, education, etc. Civil rights issues take more than pretty talk - as a gay man, I've experienced that first-hand - people all around me can say 'oh, we believe gays should have equal rights, we think they should have civil unions' -- and then there's a 70% pass rate on a law banning visitation rights, or putting a partner in a will. Obama can't win over gay people - and I think that speaks volumes. We aren't impressed by rhetoric, we're impressed by results. And more of us support Hillary than blacks to Obama!

HILLARY CLINTON 2008 - fighting for ALL Americans, and leveling the playing field so we can all learn more about each other, without having to listen to 10 minute speeches that aren't backed by action.

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meghan21578 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:48:50 GMT

Posted By: JLPARK (April 15, 2008 at 3:05 PM)

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It's funny the Fat Lady has supposedly been singing since Iowa yet there's Hillary, still hanging around. Still winning primaries, still leading in Polls in other primaries. So it would seem that the Fat Lady hasn't quite come out just yet. I agree with you we should stick with the issues and not nitpick. But what I would like you to explain to me is why the nitpicking is okay when it comes to Clinton, but God-forbid anyone say a bad word about Obama?? You know my momma always said if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. If you think what Hillary has been saying about Obama is bad, wait until the Republicans get a hold of him. They turned Kerry who was a purple heart receipiant war hero, into a Anti-American joke. What do you think they will do to Obama. Mr. Change, Mr. Unify who has a America Hating, Racist Pastor as his mentor, A wife who's only been proud of our country once in her entire life and who's college thesis Black Power and how she couldn't believe that the other Black Princton Alumni felt integrated into the white community and didn't have only Black Pride. Read it, it's online and a doozy!! A slum lord campaign donater, who first only donated a couple of bucks, but wait hey I'm sorry I forgot it was $150 thousand dollars, and a associate and friend who freely admits to bombing parts of the US. And now there's Obama criticizing us poor, small town white people as gun-toting, racist, prejudice, basically uneducated Jesus Freaks. Yeah, you make him the Democratic Candiadate, he sure has a shot at winning.

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Robert Dale — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:58:18 GMT

I guess context and meaning doesn't count for much in a Presidential race huh? He was explaining why these people vote against their own self interest.

The Republicans say, we are going to pass tax burdens to you and your children but we will protect your gun "rights" we will fight abortion and build a fence to keep the Mexicans out.

Obama says "vote for me and I will work to make things better for you" and the voters he is talking about are "clinging" to the promises the Republicans are giving because they are "bitter" about politicians promising and not delivering. No one objectively thinks that Obama called anyone a gun toting racist. That is just the bias speaking.

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brian.reach — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:59:13 GMT

meghan21578: Yes!!!!!!!!!!

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old scout — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:59:17 GMT

Be honest brian.reach. Would you be so irritated by Obama's remarks if you had not been told by Hillary and the media how you should interpret them? I read the same statements and did not at all think that they were a put down to rural voters. I thought they were a call to recognize that rurla voters have been led astray by all the years of Republican manipulation of social issues. And if Hillary were not in the race would you be attacking Obama? Would you prefer Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-Bomb Iran McCain? Barak didn't say one bad word about guns or religion or gays. What he said was that there are economic issues that rural people would be paying more attention to in their own self interest if they had not been so discouraged by years of politics as usual that finds no answers for them.

Do you think that Bill's "don't ask don't tell" policy was the right way to treat gays in the military?

Do you think that Hillary's previous failed effort to ramrod a universal health care plan as first lady makes it less or more likely that she will succeed if she tries again? Do you think that more people prefer Hillary's endless talk of "fighting for you" or Barak's asking people to drop their prejudices and work together. As a gay man wouldn't you be pleased to follow a politician who says we can work together in good will instead of endlessly fighting about every issue and hating each other.

I don't fault you if you are a "die hard Hillary fan." So is my wife. But I do ask you to consider whether, after all is said and done, isn't Hillary a part of the old politics which simply has simply promoted more and more polarization, and isn't it time to try something new?

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Oriley — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:59:48 GMT

Elitist he is not, I WILL NOT BE CONVIENCED OF THAT AND I AM NOT AN OBAMA FAN. Hillary has proven to be an Elitist. I was once a Hillary fan. I voted for her and now I wish I had not. Her political fighting is out of line. I am tired of it. I also am involved in a large woman organization and we are all tired of Hillary ways of politics. Woman want to be known for our integrity and strength. Her dirty political fighting is the same as the political men that has been in office and has ran before her, We the people want to see change. A better change no back stabbing cut throat politics. This country is falling. We need something better. The Obama statement is what some of us feel and he spoke the trueth and sometimes the truth hurt or can be turned around for a political gain. I am not for it. I am going to watch the politicians, not Hillary. Mccain and Obama and make my decision. America Listen to the direct words of each canidate not the news.

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brian.reach — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:14:31 GMT

old scout:

I appreciate your candor.

Yes, I felt that way regardless of spin or commentary - I felt that Hillary was focusing on Bitter instead of the pairing of religion and guns.

Hillary is the strongest opposer of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The Clintons were so busy fighting against the republican Congress that it was hard to get anything done - and somehow we were in a surplus!

Obama hasn't said anything bad against gays. I don't think he hates gay people. I'm just not impressed by talk without action, and I think we're a minority group that is 100% in that mentality - we've been scapegoats and talking points, but when will we see some actual progress? Hillary Clinton was the only first lady to ever march in a gay parade, and she was the keynote speaker at the HRC board meeting. I wasn't a Hillary Clinton fan at first, I bounced between Edwards, Obama, and finally checked out Clinton - and immediately the money started pouring out of my pockets. I'm not middle class, I'm young, and I'm liberal. I'm everything that Obama's supporters seem to be - but I can't comprehend why people are so supportive of him - this is the presidency, not a popularity contest!

I think Hillary will absolutely change our country for the better, and that's change I can count on!

And that's not a talking point, or something I've been told by Hillary or the media. Obama isn't a 'new kind of politics,' he's just new, and claims he's different. He looks different, and has no resume to counter that argument. But when you look at Rezko, NAFTA, and the way they handle damage control - you realize he IS a politician, although he generally sacrifices an aide or two in order to keep his image clean.

McCain isn't the choice, and Obama isn't the choice. Hillary is a hero of mine, and I'm appalled at how she's being portrayed by the Obama campaign. Clinton vs. McCain will be a much cleaner fight. And at least a Democrat will come out on top!

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Oriley — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:15:38 GMT

OldScout, I am so proud of you, maybe you should take Hillary Place. I speak of the same words but not as well put together. I am older and am tired, I have seen plenty of presidents and need a change. Technology has changed us, the internet has changed and we are no longer with the old. Let's get rid of old habits and start something new. You may get what you want for a change. My old friend Hillary lied so many times until I am afraid of her. She is showing Obama if I can't have the white house you can't have it either. That is not right, she will be sorry for that. It comes back and bite her fanny every time. She talked about the mans pastor and a few weeks later her big fat lie was all over the television. I can take the words of someone else, but when the words lies come directly out of your mouth. Wow.

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arbucle — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:34:51 GMT

O bama is fraud.Hes only out for minorities and getting from whitey everything he can for his people.His minister is a racist pig and his wife is basically a radical socialist.What an idiot ,he wants to raise taxes in the worst economic period in the last 30 years if he does we will be in a depression.

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arbucle — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:36:59 GMT

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:06:37 GMT

It doesn´t really matter what Obama says.

His detractors with twisted minds will always find a way of twisting his words and message!

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johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:24 GMT

I am laughing at some of these comments.

Notice: if anyone speaks against Obama, that person is gay, or stupid, or racist or whatever else the obama supporters can think of to call the person.

One must think that if that is all the obama fans can say than one must have spoken the truth.

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johnboy21 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:13:43 GMT

America needs to hit their knees and pray that God spares America. If Obama wins the Presidency, all of us are in deep trouble.

We will go into a depression and the blacks will blame the bush campaign.

We will go into world war against Israel and the blacks will blame the whites.

We will give all our tax money away for free education to the blacks through affirmative action and the rest of us will have to pay for it.

We will give all the poor (mostly black) people free health care so they can have more illegimate children by many different fathers and can increase their welfare checks.

But it will all be the whites fault that Obama presidential record is bad.

Please Help Save America. Please help us by voting against Obama.

by the way.....you shouldn't be mad at me for what I said, I am not elitist. I am not a racist. I just speak the truth. I was taught by Obama and Michelle.

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Julia55 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:23:04 GMT

We need more than words. We need someone that can take those words and get action. And it's not Obama. He can't take the heat. If he were to get the nomination, with Hillary out of the limelight for media throwing dirt on his behalf, Obama would have to face the GOP and media firestorm they're gathering. Clinton could weather it. She's b*tchy enough and has been vetted enough to withstand it. She's gone through Whitewater and come out cleanly. She got through Bill's philandering and did it with grace and without going to jail for kicking his a**. She survives. She's smart, she's older, and she knows Washington and the world inside out, and despite what anyone thinks, we need a certain kind of thinker in the White House -- that means, no matter the armageddon, there'd be one there that would absolutely survive no matter what. Forget about the "unlikeability" and mantra's of "hope" and "change". Bush is leaving a mess that most presidents do not inherit -- one that tips the scales in the most negative position on all fronts. There is no silver lining to the Bush years. If things were ok, I'd vote for Obama. It would be a matter of segue and he'd have time to train and make mistakes. We can't afford it. We need a harda** in there. And no matter what you think of her, that's Senator Hillary Clinton.

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gailsmith1 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:13:26 GMT

I am amazed that so many people are being taken in by Hillary Clinton. All one has to do is look at the Clinton White House to see the myriad of mistakes she made and friends she turned into enemies. Mrs. Clinton is out for Mrs. Clinton and always has been. She is attacking Senator Obama's position and staying in the primary contests, even though she can no longer win, because she will not, cannot, admit that she's lost the position that she was entitled to. If she loses, she will drag the evil one who caused this loss down with her, Senator Obama the "upstart" who had no right to come in and take away something that was rightfully hers. When the Clinton's were in the White House, and in Arkansas, they looked for an enemy in every "battle" they forged. In Arkansas, when education was their primary issue, they made teachers the enemy. In Washington, it was health care providers. In this election, it's not the Republicans, it's Senator Obama, even if it rips apart the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton scares me. She is a woman whose life is based on untruths, many of which I'm sure she doesn't even realize. She is the product of a father who abused her and a mother who lived with that abuse. Yet she adored her father. When she grew up, she married a man who, in his own way, abused her too. Each time she learned of his phlandering, it was Hillary who fixed it publically. She "took" the abuse again and again. Is it no wonder? If you look at her life, you can see that she is a very angry woman. She uses people, then tosses them away. Like Vince Foster. She has run a campaign that is disorganized, and divisive. I can't imagine how anyone would want her in the White House.

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:18:06 GMT

Folks like "arbuncle", "brian.reach", "HollyRoller " & Co. are exactly perfect examples of

retrograde America! They would rather have the worst of the Bushes and the Clintons than

have a "minority" leader, a black guy as the President of the USA, no matter how good. These

guys and their likes are NOT ready for a New America!

They can not see the new global challenges. They can not see that the old politics

can not yield anything but the same old disastrous results. A black face is enough to scare the

wits out of them. It´s not about issues and policies. (Hillary´s and Obama´s policies are 95% equivalent). For them, it´s about prejudice and racism! It´s about negativism.

But luckily, more and more Americans are getting wiser, after having being fooled twice

by Bush. They can discern better. They can no longer be easily "shocked and awed" and lied to,

to vote against their own interests. And if the majority stands up this time to fight for their own good, and NOT for the selfish interests of a priviledged few, then America will be ready again to occupy its rightful place in the global community, which is slowly but surely slipping under the umbrella of new powers like China.

But if contrary to expectation, folks like like "HolyRoller", "arbuncle", "Stupid-in- Alabama",

who can not see beyond their nose, gain the majority, it will catapult the already declining America into an apocalyptic cataclysm. Which is totally OK. If that´s what the majority wants. Afterall, we´re living in a democracy (although the last 20 years prove the opposite: Bush-Clinton-Bush). And so, we have the absolute freedom to institionalize a Bush-Clinton monarchy.

Because, America has nothing better to offer!

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Julia55 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:19:04 GMT

I'm reading the Obama supporters' blogs and all I am getting is that you folks think he's a "great guy", he "wants change" Obama's "detractors with twisted minds" are "twisting" his words. If you don't support him, you're racist, elitist, and point to the Clinton's millions and use the words Bosnia and lies, constantly. You help make the reason why this African American is going to vote for Senator Clinton. None of you folks can come up with what is racist about Senator Clinton or the former president. I've been living in this skin for over 40 years. Grew up in the south to poor, hardworking parents who did their share with civil rights. Senator Obama does not share my memories or experiences. Despite his words, he doesn't share the experience, and nothing he believes he's going to garner by osmosis of being married to Michelle will change that. He lies. Constantly and in the most subtle ways and when he's caught, they're deemed "mistakes." His words are being twisted. He meant to say... the media or the Clintons or racists or stupid people or Republicans or the old poitical guard or rich people who make more money are attacking him. What happens if he's made president? Will he get the same passes? Years ago, people made the same excuses for the current president. When he "misspoke", Donald Rumsfeld or Karl Rove got in our faces and told us we "misheard" or the spin machine told us we misunderstood. When he spoke or atcted out of turn, people called them Bushisms. They tried to make it cute. And during all of this, he had a very set notion of being stubborn and arrogant, and leaned on the long time ability to hide behind people who would cover for him while he stood in the background and did the things he wanted that drove this country into the GROUND. He changed laws, changed the constitution, lied constantly to the world, gave our Senate and Congress erroneous, lying information to further causes to which he had personal interest, and changed the way Americans live. Did Obama mean bitter? Of course he did. The man's a wordsmith. He said exactly what he meant. But he meant bitter for a myriad of reasons meany of you younger set can't recognize beyond your passions to get behind someone you see as a peer rather than this old White woman who reminds you of your mothers and authority figures. You're fighting against yourselves. At the end of the day, young people like Andrew Romano who keep up jounalistic integrity to report all sides and submit objective opinion to allow people to make decisive, informed choices are your best bet for your generation. He may even be an Obama supporter, and if he is, God bless him. It's a choice. But these labels you all use to blanket anyone that has a difference of opinion as to whom that person chooses to represent and lead you harkens back to what people of all colors fought so hard for in getting the right to vote. You're being heard, but never in all of the elections I've seen have I seen antagonism to the point of people, ordinary Americans of all races, coming together and taking the most personal stances to offend and insult another's opinions because it's different than their own. In the 2000 and 2004 race, it was solidly Democrat and Reublican "fighting". Not because there were only two real sets of candidates, but because Democrats already knew George Bush would be a terrible president. We knew it. We all felt it and it went beyond partisan line. McCain did not cause the same feeling of distaste amongst Democrats. And we have lived with the decision of the Supreme Court and manipulation of votes and media to have this man lead the country because they thought they would be proven right. And they were wrong and he is less than a footnote now -- polls in the 20's, and no matter what he does or where he goes, it's incedental news. Dancing in Africa? He was still ineffective because with all of the money he had behind him, he couldn't do the job. None of the speeches or outspoken cabinet members made a difference because he was not prepared. There wasn't enough experience. Do I believe he would do it differently in hindset? You betcha. Like Senator Obama, Mr. Bush has an arrogant "resolve" that he is right about all things and shouldn't be questioned because he is above all things. Unfortunately, those are not the cornerstones of a good leader. Being unwilling to simply stand on your own and take responsibility for all things -- not just in word, but in deed, is one of those things he won't do and he leaves attack dogs in the blogosphere to scream and derail and insult on his behalf, attempting to pummel non-supporters into submission. That doesn't work, either. I watch faces of Obama supporters contort in distaste before the derision begins in debates in my office, at parties, over dinner, at gatherings -- people of all colors, ready almost to take to fists to cram this young man down throats, and I wonder what kind of fervor and man gathers to himself to drive a group of people to the point of violent insult and anger? It's not unity, and it's not hope, and if you think it's change, believe me, it's not new. It's all of the old tricks used by well known political figures many other cultures and times to gather itself into the shape of the Obama campaign. They worked for a time in some places. People cheered and gathered in streets -- even cried and threw flowers, and beat down people around them that didn't agree. And then they fell. Hard. And people who followed disclaimed. If they followed closely, they were following orders, or they were tricked. Whatever it is, a candidate should not cause so much hatred and vitriol. I notice many of the Clinton supporters simply say no and point to some of the issues as to why they won't vote for Obama and then, they're immediately attacked for being stupid or racist. It doesn't fly.

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:41:39 GMT

johnnie boy, You´re really a hopeless case. Cos you´re so sick and dumb, and you don´t even

realize it.That´s the whole tragedy. Whom are you voting for, bi-guy? And why?

You keep coming to spew your incoherent, racist attacks. You say you´re bi-racial.

But that´s all a cover-up for your mental derangement. It´s NOT possible to discuss

intelligently with you, because you obviously don´t have the wits.

I´m PRAYING hard, that America be spared more johnnie boys.

You have NOT reproduced, have you?

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BitterButHopeful — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:42:08 GMT

I am a working class American citizen and I AM BITTER. I’m bitter about the economic situation and feeling trapped in a dead end job with no viable opportunities to get out. I’m bitter about the fact that my wife, with a college degree and 10 years of experience in the mortgage industry was laid off and it took her 5 months of submitting applications to around 100 jobs a week before she was finally hired at about a 45% pay-cut. I’m bitter about that fact that my adjustable rate mortgage is likely about to skyrocket on the interest rate and make my payments unaffordable which, had my wife not lost her job and suffered a 45% pay-cut, we would have had no problem affording. I’m bitter when I hear John McCain say that it’s not the government’s responsibility to help us through this crisis because (to paraphrase) ‘it’s our own fault we’re in this mess to begin with’ (Talk about out of touch with the working class). I’m bitter that even while our country is heading into possible economic ruin we continue to spend some $200Million per day on a war we never should have started in the first place. I’m bitter about the Clinton & McCain campaigns taking out of context and twisting the words of Barack Obama to make it seem like he is an ‘Elitist’ and I’m bitter about all the people who fell for it.

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Kim in Pasadena — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:54:04 GMT

We need to come together as a people to give our Country its best chance to rebound from the last 7+ years of corruption and incompentance and to give the parts of this Country seriously disrupted by free trade a chance to regenerate. San Franciscans are no worse and no better than any other group of people. Rural Americans are no worse and no better than any other group of people. We are all Americans. This is what Senator Obama and his campaign seek to remind us of each and every day. Together we can change this Country and make tomorrow a better day for all of us. Divided we shall surely fail again. Senator Obama is not the only person who can bring us together -- he is simply the only candidate for President who is even making the very important attempt to unify our Country and all of us.

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Julia55 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:54:19 GMT

gailsmith1, I'm not sure where you're getting this from your post, [quote] "In Arkansas, when education was their primary issue, they made teachers the enemy." Interesting, but like most people who back Mr. Obama, you're only telling a portion of the story. I grew up down there and I was there to see it. Here's what happened: back in 1983, then first lady of Arkansas Hillary Clinton chaired a committee called the education reform committee. She didn't just do it in name, she actually got it through the legislature and got it passed that year. What she called for were smaller classes, and making the high schools offer advanced science and math courses and raising the drop out age. At the time, Arkansas was one of the bottom states in education. She asked for teachers to have to take competency tests, and that's what pissed them off but they had to do it and in fact, to get everything done, it required higher sales taxes to cover what she wanted to do. And it was backed by the voters and passed. Arkansas schools are now much higher in rankings nationally because of those requirements and Senator Clintons, as you said making "teachers the enemy". Years ago, teachers were more responsible and there was more accountability. They cared more. It was a laudable to be an educator. I have many in my family. Some teach in inner city schools, a a couple teach in private schools. The difference between the two types of schools is vast. I would support Senator Clinton's stance and experience on education because of her long time committment and success with it, going back beyond 1983, instead of Mr. Obama's, attending schools off the mainland and not having had first hand knowledge of education here beyond what his aspirations called for in time for election seasons. You might be careful with the facts you choose -- as should Senator Obama -- and state ALL of the facts.

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:54:35 GMT

hottstuff, you're right. johnnie boy is hopeless. He says he is only telling the truth, but everything he said is in the supposed future--Obama is going to do this and that. How does he know the future to be true. He says don't be mad at him for being racist. Well, he is racist when he just assumes what Obama will do in the future just because he's black. That's racist johnnie boy! You're making a judgement based on skin color! You're comments are deplorable and mean spirited! There is no need johnny to make up things about people. We bloggers might have assumed all kind of things about you after reading your statements but I'll keep them to myself.

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deanna500 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:02:42 GMT

Can we get back to the real issues that are actually going to effect our lives?!

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oldgitsalesp — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:18:13 GMT

I agree with deanna500 - this elitist stuff and all that other is crap. It willnot help us in the current mortgage crisis, with unemployment or affordable healthcare or $4.00+/gal gasoline or 4,000+ Americans who have died for an unwinnable cause in an area where we cannot change the course of history or the destiny of fate.

Bottomline - We cannot afford to elect ANYONE who will not risk his prresidency to get American back to a functional federalism/democracy that works for the majority of the people - regardless of color/sex or religious belief. THIS current situation is the greatest terrorist threat to Americans, death from a thousand self inflicted stab wounds!

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:29:47 GMT

to Julia55:

First of all, I don´t think you´re an African-American. ( I´ve come across a lot of

impostors on this forum already).But nevermind.

You said you read the pro-Obama blogs, which label his non-supporters as racists etc.

Well, have you read the anti-Obama bloggers? Johnboy,citron, HolyRoller, 15R8 and others?

You will only find stuff like "Obama is a fraud", "muslim terrorist", without any intelligent discourse.

Only racist and prejudiced rants. Plus these bloggers are notorious. We know them for some time now. We know where they are coming from. And we know they are only out to destroy Obama by any means! It´s impossible to discuss reasonably with them. indeed, racism erodes intelligence!

So, julia55, scroll down again, and treat yourself to some very classy literature from

johnboy & Co. Then, come back and tell us about your findings! I´m anxiously waiting!

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hotstuff — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:29:53 GMT

to Julia55:

First of all, I don´t think you´re an African-American. ( I´ve come across a lot of

impostors on this forum already).But nevermind.

You said you read the pro-Obama blogs, which label his non-supporters as racists etc.

Well, have you read the anti-Obama bloggers? Johnboy,citron, HolyRoller, 15R8 and others?

You will only find stuff like "Obama is a fraud", "muslim terrorist", without any intelligent discourse.

So, julia55, scroll down again, and treat yourself to some very classy literature from

johnboy & Co. Then, come back and tell us about your findings! I´m anxiously waiting!

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Redaxe — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:27:25 GMT

Boy (not referring to Obama

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Redaxe — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:07:27 GMT

Boy (not referring to Obama as one politico recently was heard calling him), I'm amazed at all the blogs which have appeared since I first wrote in the wee hours of this morning. It is good to see such an spirited exchange of opinions. But most have missed the point and have gone off tangent.

It's not whether Obama is an elitist or not - it's the fact that he's been caught talking out of the wrong sideof his big mouth. Now, politicians are well known to have the "gift" to talk out of both sides of their mouth. It's just that Hussein Osama (oops, wrong choice of surname or as Obama would say "I should have chosen some better words") got caught offguard saying what he really meant, and now, is trying to weasel his way out. He's got his way with words ( recall his "words do matter), but pandering to those unsuspecting and naive citizens - telling them, of course, what they want to hear. Sounds more like condescending and patronizing to me.The "rev" Wright has taught Obama well - to be "bitter" - if we don't get what we want, put the blame on someone else ( the "failed administration", for instance ). I too, am "bitter" because he has gotten to where he is through influence (it's not what you know, but who you know) and via Affirmative Action (better known as reverse discrimination). He was a muslim before he "got converted to Christianity". If the congregation he belonged to in Chicago is any indication of what Christianity should be, may God help us all.

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hotstuff — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:12:06 GMT

To Julia55:

I´ve read all your other blogs. Now, I can gauge you a little better. You are a die-hard Clinton

supporter, not so primitive like the johnnieboys, but a die-hard one all the same! Full of contradictions. Eloquent, but stll contradictory.

Talking about accountability! You mentioned it in your blog to "gailsmith". I was just wondering, if that word also applies to the Clintons! You know, all those White House records

with the curious deletions! The tax returns, without the list of donors. Whitewater. Just to mention a few.

Then, you went on to say Obama "lies constantly". Well. you don´t really want to go there!

Hillary is not exactly famous for her love for truth! Since at least 35 years.

"A candidate should not cause so much hatred and vitriol". That´s what you wrote. And you meant Obama. Who generates the most hatred and vitriol? You know the answer. To proclaim any other name than Hillary is what I call twisting the facts! She has the most negative rating.

You go on to tout Hillary´s experience. Look, that has been debunked. It´s a fairy tale. If you still believe in her skills, her experience, her talents, WHY is it NOT showing on the campaign trail?

This campaign was supposed to be over by Super Tuesday!

And yet a "rookie Senator", ( and to add insult to injury, a black one for that matter!), has whopped her badly. Her campaign is flawed.No plan B, after Super Tuesday. Broke. Had to lend

money to her own campaign, charging interest! Chaos.Fired one manager after the other. We don´t even want to touch NAFTAgate, Columbia, the "kitchen-sinks", the smears and all that!

Do you really want a President like that? Ignore your own emotional attachment for one second, can you? You think that´s really what America needs now? The way they both run their campaigns tells me alot about their skills and capabilities. That´s action AND results you can actually see NOW! Not just words! It´s words tranlated into action! With positive results!

And that´s the bottom line, julia55. Positve results achieved through a positive message coupled with positive action! That´s what counts for me. And for a whole chunk of other folks.

It´s indeed possible to win with a clean game!

Finally, all our contentions are actually irrelevant now. Because the game is over. The math is Hillary can not catch up. If the superdelegates decide to upend the decision of the majority, well, we shall all see the consequences.

America will get the President that she deserves. If it turns out to be Hillary or McCain, so be it!

Nothing stops me from going overseas., Europe, China, Africa.....anywhere!

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hotstuff — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:01:12 GMT

To Redaxe:

Crawl back to your hole, moron! You have not even evolved to the level of Home sapiens!

You´re simply nauseating. Another awesome read for julia55?

Why are imbeciles allowed to blog here?

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hotstuff — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:15:14 GMT

To Redaxe:

Crawl back to your hole, moron! You have not even evolved to the level of Homo sapiens!

You´re simply nauseating! Another awesome read for julia55?

Why are imbeciles allowed to blog here?

(edited)

"Homo", not "Home"

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will b. — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:21:09 GMT

Senator, yes Senator, Barack H. Obama is going to

be the DEMS NOMINEE. Face the facts and quit fussing.

Get behind, who i believe is a true one-of-a-kind leader.

YES, he'll make mistakes 'cause he's not the LORD, but

he has not lost sight of helping all that he can in these

beautiful UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

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deanna500 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:25:05 GMT

Stop all this madness!

Just vote for whomever you feel will be best for the county, ok!?

No need to argue and name calling.

Everone is entitled to their opion and we all have our own opinion.

The Democrates have to stop tearing this country apart by all these non-issue topics.

The ultimate goal is to get a Dem in the White House, right? Right!

Instead of fighting like children, let's work together to ensure victory in November!!

Hillary and Barack are very simular on the issues that count.

No more death by a thousand stab wounds to ourselves!

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WindmillJouster — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:22:11 GMT

The Windmill Jouster is again on one of his trips abroad. From Shanghai to Seoul, I am asked about Barack Obama. Many people here in Asia are frustrated with American foreign policy, even as they welcome American business investment, but they brighten considerably when they reflect on an Obama presidency. Even over here Obama gives people hope.

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johnboy21 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:11:03 GMT

Good Examples of exactly what I said. If you don't support Obama and you start pointing out all the things that is associated with Obama, then the obama supporters start calling you names and trying to discredit you.

I love the way that all of these obama supporters know that I am not a democrate, I am not black, I am gay. WELL WRONG!!!!! These people don't know me. I am half white and half black. I am not black to the sense that I will support Obama just because he is black. Oh I would love to vote for a good black president nominee. However I will not support Obama, or anyone else as President that is left wing liberal with associates such as Rezko, Farranhkan, Rev Wright, Rev Meek, Oil companies, Indonesia, Taliban, and many many others. Keep calling me names. I like the attention. ALSO, I like to see your intelligence and Maturity. Obama and Michelle are good examples for you. Rev Wright has taught you well. You must attend the Trinity Church.

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jaimehlers — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:07:58 GMT

This reminds me of that "scream" crap that Dean was tarred with during the '04 primary season. In reality, it's something that would barely make the local news if Obama wasn't a presidential candidate. It's media sensationalism at its "finest", in other words. Add to that the fact that everyone and their brother is only quoting a single paragraph speech and it's not hard to see why I view this as patently ridiculous.

I'd feel the same regardless of who it happened to. This kind of thing isn't reporting, it's the media acting like tin gods, believing that they have the right to spin minor stuff like this into a huge story just so they can make news. Sure, it sells...just like tabloids sell. And it's just as sad how many people buy into it, hook line and sinker, without even bothering to get the full story.

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kidjny — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:40:04 GMT

How is someone who made over 100 million last year going to accuse her opponent of being an ELITIST? Clinton does not represent PA or its hard work ethics and should not be the nominee -Dubois PA.

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kidjny — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:40:12 GMT

How is someone who made over 100 million last year going to accuse her opponent of being an ELITIST? Clinton does not represent PA or its hard work ethics and should not be the nominee -Dubois PA.

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Granny12 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:57:46 GMT

Obama has just shown that he is facing the hard truth about what low/middle incomers really feel. As for myself I am a little bitter because for the past eight years I feel that folks in my income bracket have been shafted, ignored, and altogether dumped upon. My voice has not been heard even as a whisper, my economic situation has worsened, and groceries cost me more everytime I shop.

Like most low/middle income families the basic cost of simple living has risen 40% over the past eight years. God help families which have more than one kid nto to mention seniors.

Hillery dosen't have a clue.

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meghan21578 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:05:40 GMT

"I've got a reason for running. I talk about a larger goal, which is to call upon the best of America. It's part of the renewal. It's reform and renewal. Part of the renewal is a set of high standards and to remind people that the greatness of America really does depend on neighbors helping neighbors and children finding mentors. I worry. I'm very worried about, you know, the kid who just wonders whether America is meant for him. I really worry about that. And uh, so, I'm running for a reason. I'm answering this question here and the answer is, you cannot lead America to a positive tomorrow with revenge on one's mind. Revenge is so incredibly negative. And so to answer your question, I'm going to win because people sense my heart, know my sense of optimism and know where I want to lead the country. And I tease people by saying, 'A leader, you can't say, follow me the world is going to be worse.' I'm an optimistic person. I'm an inherently content person. I've got a great sense of where I want to lead and I'm comfortable with why I'm running. And, you know, the call on that speech was, beware. This is going to be a tough campaign." — Interview with the Washington Post, March 23, 2000

Above is a 2000 Campaign quote of George W. Bush. Not the use of Renewal and Reform. Wouldn't those be quite similar to "Hope and Change". It's funny, Obama is practically running on the same uplifting platform that Bush did in 2000 and look how well that turned out!!!

Another interesting take on this Economic need to have Obama "Hopefully Change" our country...

Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born politician who led the National Socialist German Workers Party. He became Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933 and Führer in 1934. He ruled until 1945.

The Nazi Party gained power during Germany's period of crisis after World War I, exploiting effective propaganda and Hitler's charismatic oratory to gain popularity. The Party emphasized nationalism, antisemitism and anti-communism, and killed many of its opponents. After the restructuring of the state economy and the rearmament of the German armed forces (Wehrmacht), a dictatorship (commonly characterized as totalitarian or fascist) was established by Hitler, who then pursued an aggressive foreign policy, with the goal of seizing Lebensraum. The German Invasion of Poland in 1939 drew the British and French Empires into World War II.

Notice the part in which it says that the Nazi's capitalized on effective propaganda and Hilter's CHARISMATIC ORATORY to gain popularity. Now all of us know how well that worked out for Germany.... SO you know maybe a GOOD SPEAKER, doesn't necessarily make THE BEST LEADER! Just some food for thought!

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will b. — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:49:11 GMT

HONEYBOY21 YOU'RE A NON ISSUE. STAY OUT OF GROWN

FOLKS CONVERSATIONS.

Now, Bruce Springsteen have endorsed Senator Obama.

A highly educated american who has th right to choose

the better and calmer candidate. I just hope he isn't

called rev. wright or bin laden or bitter or he doe not

love America or....

B. OBAMA '08

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deanna500 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:59:05 GMT

The difference btw Bush and Obama is that Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He was around politics all his life. He's learned how to say what it takes to win ie. his dad was president, his brother is governer and he was a governer. Of course he knows to say the things the masses want to hear. He was reared in that world.

Obama actually lived in the world that he wants to change. He knows it first hand. He actually felt the struggles that we go through. So when he speaks on our issues, he knows what he speaks. Bush only said what he was told to say. Other people had to write his speeches (that he still messed up anyway). Obama writes his own speeches because he knows what he's talking about.

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hotstuff — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:49:42 GMT

To meghan:

According to your logic,

Obama = Bush + Hitler

The Democrats = Nazi Party.

Shouldn´t we worry about your sanity?

Or are you aware you´re treading here on criminal grounds?

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meghan21578 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:11:17 GMT

To Hotstuff:

Actually I said none of the below. My point I was making, which you in true Obabmaniac fashion are trying to turn around was that....George Bush ran on almost completely the same change platform in 2000. And we got nothing but 100 times worse in this country. And that Hitler was also tauted as a phenomanal orator, in the same manner that Obama is now. He could rally crowds with his speeches too, but that didn't really make him the best leader for Germany did it.

So all in all...Campaigning about "Hope and Change" doesn't mean you will actually bring about good Change. And being a good speaker doesn't make you a Worthy or even a Good Leader.

And never once did I equate the Democrats with the Nazi Party. IT's funny how you Obama supporters have no problem twisting words and misconstruing when it doesn't involve something that Obama said.

What criminal grounds am I treading on??? I think it's your sanity that all of us should be worried about.

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powin — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:33:04 GMT

Please excuse me for digressing here....I was listening to NPR (National Public Radio) recently and I heard Obama pronounce that, "One voice can change a room [he pauses and people are cheering.] One voice can change a city (pause, cheering). One voice can change the country and one voice can change the world." The audience were cheering like a chorus of frenzied fans and I pulled into my driveway thinking, this guy is amazing....

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shknbk13 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:31:55 GMT

For those of you who don't know and understand history, Hitler WAS the best thing for Germany at the time. However, he epitomizes that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Fortunately, in this country we have a Democracy whose power is dispersed across three appendages of our government... not perfect but as good as it gets in our human society. Unfortunately, we all seem to forget that it is the Legislative branch, not the Executive. that directly affects the internal quality of our lives. It would be nice if our next President remembers that he is supposed to represent the "common man" in our country, not the special interests. Here is where I see Obama at least has a chance to succeed... the other two are already too jaded by their "experiences".

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pixiepunk — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:00:43 GMT

The OBAMA campaign will do or say anything to get Obama nominated - even discredit an honorable woman who has served our country for many years. It's just politics as usual....

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pixiepunk — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:41:15 GMT

Clinton did not make $100 million LAST year, they made $100 million over 10 years! And Obama's tax returns just came out, he made over $4 million in 2007 so I guess that puts him in the elitist millionaire category now doesn't it?

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an obama girl — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:29:00 GMT

Are we to believe that understanding human behavior in politics is too advanced a conversation for the american people and that they would perfer to elect an out and out liar (Hilary Clinton)?

This country elected a retard that has been unable to string togeather a sentence in the last 8 years!!

My eight year old son is not an elitist but smart enough to know what a liar is and has a better command of the english language than George Bush!

My eight year old understands Hillary Clinton lied and that her husband also lied to the american people!

If Obama is a uppity for what he said....Then John Mccain is a war monger for Bomb Bomb Iran comment!

Hillary Clinton is just and out and out liar like Cindy Mccain!

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an obama girl — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:29:08 GMT

Are we to believe that understanding human behavior in politics is too advanced a conversation for the american people and that they would perfer to elect an out and out liar (Hilary Clinton)?

This country elected a retard that has been unable to string togeather a sentence in the last 8 years!!

My eight year old son is not an elitist but smart enough to know what a liar is and has a better command of the english language than George Bush!

My eight year old understands Hillary Clinton lied and that her husband also lied to the american people!

If Obama is a uppity for what he said....Then John Mccain is a war monger for Bomb Bomb Iran comment!

Hillary Clinton is just and out and out liar like Cindy Mccain!

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meghan21578 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:56:28 GMT

Posted By: pixiepunk (April 16, 2008 at 6:41 PM)

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Thank you Pixiepunk!! I also love how the Obama Supporter love to conviently forget that out of that 100 million the Clintons donated over 10 million to charity and paid about 34% of it in taxes..Which by the way is higher taxes then they were required to pay. So if you calculate that out it's about 59 million over ten years that they made that would be about 5.9 million per year, which really isn't that much higher then the 4.7 million the Obama's earned last year. You see Obama supporters only don't like the SPIN when it's not working in their favor!

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shell-ii — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:24:06 GMT

" I didn't mean that small-town voters suddenly discover religion or guns because they've lost their jobs, but rather that they feel so "bitter" after decades of empty economic promises that some now "cling to" guns or religion as electoral issues."

Even his explanation is a judgement call. Guns and Religion do not divide this country, politicians and the crap that they stufff down our throats is what disenfranchise voters. You start wars and tax us into oblivion to pay for them. In the meantime we are forced to look for activites that are not expensive in order to feel that we do not spend our lives working for the government. Many of us poor citizens are starting to feel that we live in a 3rd world country.

Someone please tell Mr. Obama that not all poor white people carry guns or go to church. There are many well to do white people who carry guns and go to church as well, many have even been Presidents of this country.

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chillfour@yahoo.com — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:33:53 GMT

This is such a bunch of nonsense. Obama is being harrassed by the republican media machine. It must be so frustrating for them that everyone is not falling for it. Most of us should be wise enough, after the republicans put George Bush into office using the media to do it, that we will stand in force against them. It is up to us the voters to put Obama in office to make things better for the middle class that has been abandoned by republicans entirely. It is up to us to put Obama into office to stop the neocon war mongering and the lying on top of lies.

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hotstuff — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:25:05 GMT

To meghan:

Your professed objective of pointing out that good oratory and charisma don´t necessarily make a good leader is trivial. One could also immediately argue that those qualities are no

impediments to good leadership either. Period.

The pertinent question is why bring in such obnoxious examples like Hitler and the German Nazi party? Are they even remotely related to present day America? Or Germany? Why even

DARE to compare Obama (or any of the candidates for that matter) with Hitler? Why waste our time by copying and pasting a totally irrelevant treatise on Hitler and the Nazi party? What has that got to do with the electoral process in America? With "Bittergate"? Are you trying to impress us with an intellectualism, which you obviously don´t possess?

How can you compare totally different variables under different parameters? To even associate a German democratic politician without a Nazi past with the name Hitler in post -war Germany is considered character assassination. And that´s criminal!

To make your point, all you needed to do, (if you wanted to give relevant examples), was to draw from the American experience. The present conditions might be different but at least the setting is the same.

Abraham Lincoln was reputed to be a good orator. Was he a good leader? Was he a bad leader? John F. Kennedy was a charismatic President. Was he good? Was he bad? That is smart analysis. Not the kind of nauseating defamation you and folks of your ilk are prosecuting.

To further illustrate how fallacious you are, you forgot to inform us that Hitler had already laid out his plans in his book "Mein Kampf", before he took power. So, what he did was no surprise.

But he needed the dictatorship, the Nazi party and the populace to be able to do all that.

So my questions to you are 1) Do we have a dictatorship or a democracy in America?

2) Is the US Congress a Nazi-similar institution?

3) Is the Democratic Party a Nazi Party or something similar?

4) Has Obama stated anywhere he wants to exterminate

minorities?

Meghan, your objective is very clear. All you are trying to do is demonize, discredit Obama by lumping him with self-constructed negatives of the worst possible kind. In your zealousness, you

exaggerate and over-exaggerate to utter absurdity! That´s a script out Hillary´s playbook! And it´s you and your fellow bedmates, who twist and embellish facts, smear and misconstrue or display appaling ignorance, stupidity and naked racism!

In conclusion, I would like to quote just ONE sentence from you, that shows how retarded and uneducated you are:

"....... And that Hitler was also tauted as a phenomanal orator"........

That one sentence reveals you in all entirety:

ignorant, retarded, uneducated, stupid, racist, dangerous psychopath!

I leave you to contemplate on this, if you can!

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meghan21578 — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:40:57 GMT

To Hotstuff,

Again you are only getting from I said what you want to make your point. I never compared Obama or anyone to Hitler for that matter. I used a severe example to make a point, that based on one's speaking abilities they shouldn't be nominated to higher office. The results don't always turn out the best. I agree that the choice of example may have been extreme, but I never equated Obama to Hitler or any part of our government to the Nazi party. You did that all on your own. I copied and pasted the entire paragraph and pretty clearly stated the part of the paragraph to which I was referring.

But the thing I never did was attack you as a person for any of the number of comments on here that you have made that I don't agree with.

Posted By: hotstuff (April 18, 2008 at 7:25 AM)

That one sentence reveals you in all entirety:

ignorant, retarded, uneducated, stupid, racist, dangerous psychopath!

Obviously you have not read any of my other posts which would show that I am in no way any of the above. IS it really necessary to attack someone to this extent because you don't agree with a statement that they made?? Is this how you get people to agree with you and maybe sway them to Obama. I would really wish that people would be a little bit more grown up on here. For your information I am not more the above things then anyone else on here. I am a hardworking, mother of four who is very concerned about the climate of our country and what my children are going to have to grow up in. I teach them nothing but love for other people and this country. It concerns me that because I don't support Obama you automatically assume that makes me racist, cause truly from that post I made the other day I really can't see how any part of it would point you in the direction that I am a racist. Could you please explain that to me. Also how does it even make me remotely close to being a Psychopath?? This I also don't understand.

You could have made your point just as easily without the obvious insults. They really weren't needed, but if that's how you roll then more power to you. As to not offend you next time I will try and use more "Hotstuff" friendly references.

Have a Nice Day!

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Redaxe — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:57:10 GMT

To "hotstuff",

You're all full of nothing but "hot air". The way you tear others down show how defensive you've become - perhaps, that's the only way you know how to conduct any meaningful discussion - by meaningless oratory about nothing. I sense that you're full of hate and perhaps the "bitterness" that your mentor Obama was referring to!!!

Let's talk sense and don't try to refute anything that doesn't suit you.

May you have a better day tomorrow.

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hotstuff — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:42:51 GMT

To Redaxe:

You mean meaningful discussions like:

"Boy, ( Oh, not refering to Obama..... )",

"Hussein Osama, Oops............."

"Muslim...."

That´s talking sense?

Not hate and bitterness and racism?

Hmmm..

Redaxe, unfortunately I don´t have enough "hot air".

Not enough to blow out all the nonsense in your head.

But I might consider using a black axe!

What do you prefer? I´m generous today.

Tomorrow, you might not have an option! So,have a great day! But avoid black axes!

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virginia patriot — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:20:01 GMT

Dear Mr. Romano,

The term Elitist in describing Obama is probably a compliment. He is arrogant, dishonest, whinney, unprepared, should be impeached from his senate position, and is UNAMERICAN!!! His association with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, the Million mile march, the unsavery chicago character that he purchased his house from, and his outspoken millitant, angry wife, shows his lack of judgement and patriotism. This debate was the first time he was scutinized in the entire campaign, and he folded like a deck of cards. These were not tough questions, it was a mild simulation of the real political world. He is a disgrace. He never answers a question, he thought he could mock, and belittle Americans, and get away with rideculing the middle class. He is an angry, black man, that needs professional help!! He is not a leader, can not choose friends that are reputable or honorable, and is just a plain liar. Unfortunately the press left him alone until now, now the American people are facing buyers remorse, and fear that a radical will be the party's nominee. There is still time to write to the super delegates, and officials and petition them to support Hillary Clinton. If is our only chance! Hillary will turn the economy around, get us out of this war safely and expediently, restore jobs and dignity, change the horrific healthcare in this country, and preserve the environment for the future!! Do the right thing fellow Americans, if we wanted a rock star in the White house I would rather have Bruce Springsteen, we need leadership, wisdom, and experience, this only describes HILLARY CLINTON. Please do the right thing now!!! Virginia Patriot.