Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

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lordmi — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:34:20 GMT

eager for scandals???

That is media, who twisted the CA meeting event .

Shame on You.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:04:23 GMT

The nature of media presentations is the key. Media is a business. It needs to make a profit. It sells what sells well to make a profit and diminishes the public service side of the business, which does not make a profit. The details of what is to be done by a candidate are, by their nature, dull , compared to what one of the candidates said to make an opponent look inadequate for the job, or, say, a glaring insult of an opponent, "swift mudding", so to speak.

But, it is so much better than no media at all, or a government controlled media. Commercial ads by the media are sold to businesses who want the greatest exposure to their products. A small crowd hashing out remedies for their problems with a candidate for president will not sell cars, soap, or prescription drugs to enhance sexual performance, ad infinitum. We'll just have to make do with what we get and vote and enjoy the next great president, whoever that turns out to be. Hard times make great presidents. We seem to be due for one, thanks to the mechanics who have almost ruined our engine in recent years.

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:06:53 GMT

Obama has locked up the Nomination and the Dems. are stuck with him. He will lose miserably to McCain. He has failed to carry a meaningful key state in the primary. Without the polarized African American Vote he would not have won a single state primary. The Democrats should take a lesson and refrain from getting caught up in the rah, rah atmophere of a candidate who never had a legitimate chance of winning. Barack decided he could only win by pinning racist labels on his primary opponents. it was a ridculous plan spurred by the perception that Hillary would get some African American support. He had that group already but thought he needed it all. He got it and lost those votes that will make the difference in Florida and Ohio.

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lamm01 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:16:36 GMT

Of course they yawn. They've heard it from Hillary first.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:20:15 GMT

Yeah, bella12, what a shame for thousands of us old white guys who send him a small donation as soon as we can get it together. We're just fools for an eloquent candidate, have not seen one for so long.

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sheilaj — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:21:02 GMT

All the young kids want to hear is "Change!" They don't care about the price of gas or how we need to get more jobs because mommy and daddy pay for all that stuff. Hillary Clinton has plans for that but that is soooo boring for them. If we want real leadership, vote for Hillary!

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lmcchesn — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:21:28 GMT

America is the only loser in the contest. While the only person that can truly make a differnece and get the jobs done that so desperately need getting done, she is being railroaded by the media (as has been for 14 months) and it's a catch 22 for her. Obama Hussein always pulls out his race card with whoever is at issue and he wins, but no-one else can. This is mainstream America getting all caught up in the hoopla of "change to believe in", as if it was a rock concert, please get real. this is the same majority that voted "W" in. So while you know Hussein will nvere even come close to McCain in the general, there you go, you get McCain to just keep on rolling with the Bush agenda. God help us all, this country is so out of touch its not funny. Get over yourself and vote for the good, vote HILLARY.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:23:02 GMT

Yes, we've been so long with an idiotic voice in the White House. We need a shrill voice in there.

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Jack3213 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:26:49 GMT

THE ONLY WINNER HERE IS MCCAIN. BETWEEN THE TWO UNQUALIFIED LYING DEMOCRATIC TAX RAISING SCAMMERS MCCAIN IS OUR ONLY BEST BET FOR CHANGE THAT DOESN'T COME AT A PRICE THAT DEVASTATES OUR COUNTRY, IF YOU THINK A REPUBLICAN IS NOT YOUR CHOICE BECAUSE OF BUSH THAT IS AS BAD AS VOTING FOR A SCUM LIKE CLINTON BECAUSE SHE IS A 'WOMAN' OR OBAMA WHO IS 'BLACK' DOUBLE STANDARDS- THOSE TWO ARE THE MOST INEXPERIANCED CANDIDATES IN AMERICA

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:42:06 GMT

olerwiser..Money alone will not get him elected. He could have won this in a walk if he hadn't played the race card. Do you think he'll wn without Florida and Ohio? Florida was decided by about 600 votes when bush won/slole the election from Gore, do you think Obama will do better. This election has been about race more than anything else. Wit the help of Salava Slinging Chris Mathews and MSNBC who played the race card at every opportunity (without any intervention from Barack) he and other of Senator Obama Supporters have so allienated Hillary's supporters that many, many of them will vote for McCain. In a few months it will play out and the reasons Barack lost will be spun into Hillary stayed in too long or America is still too racist to elect an African American to the white House. MSNBC will repeat that so many times that the real reasons will be forgotten. Thank goodness Senator McCain will be drooling worse than Mathews by 2012 and a fresh, non Polarizing Democrat can be elected. In the meantime we will just have to be satisfied with the inevitable gain in the house and senate. Too bad Barack blew his chances.

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Nins — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:42:34 GMT

Yes, of course, the media would yawn as Obama talks about the issues that really matter to the American voter. The media doesn't give a damn about real politics, the politics that matter to our future as a nation. The media cares only about ratings, and since sensationalist shout fests started ruling the air waves, even news shows regarding serious topics like the election and the economy are set up like reality show dramas.

Yes, of course the media would yawn as Obama discusses our shared destiny as a nation. The media knows who butters their bread, knows who panders to them.

Shame on the reporters mentioned in the article. And shame on the American news media in general.

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:35:38 GMT

Nins, the Media who bash the Media as they all do from ole Rushbo & Oreilly to Mathews & Blitzer always kind of separate themselves from the rest, as if they weren't part of the media that is ajust fter the latest juicy piece of gossip. They ALL have only one focus R A T I N G S. the viewer wants to know what insult Slobbering Chris Mathews is slinging at Hillary. the listener wants to know what insulting mouth-breathing comment is spewing forth from Ruch and Brit Hume. All of are interested in what they're spouting for the day for various reasons. Most of us want one thing, reenforcement of our stand and promotion of our ideas. We're interested in those that are with us as well as what our enemies. I dispise Chris Mathews and Limbaugh but I can tell you what they said today on their shows. I probably could have told you bafore they said it. the media have no ethics or scruples when they are given the options of honesty and ratings. Before talk radio and cable talk shows the media used to talk news.Who wants to go back to that. As long as one can think for themselves the media isn't a threat. For those who can't the media is dangerous.

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kshortSD — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:00:14 GMT

Well, this article certainly explains the tone of the so-called debate on ABC last week.

As for all the posts claiming that Obama would be no match for McCain in the general election, you're wrong. First of all, forget about Hillary getting the nomination...it's not going to happen. Even if she wins Penn, she will not gain enough delegates to even come close to Obama. And forget about the DNC giving her the nomination because they think she is more electable.

And McCain can't possibly distance himself enough from the current administration, in addition to making people forget how old he is, to win in November. No matter how you feel about Obama, he's the next president.

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citron16 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:14:48 GMT

When the video of Rev. Wright came out Obama should have come up with a real reason why he still belongs to that church and has for 20 years. Instead he played the race card! I think this hurt his campaign. The media has been on Obama side. Chris Mattews is totally on Obama's side. All he talks about is how Clinton should get out of the race. I think this has hurt Obama too, the media should stay neutral, and let the voters decide! The media yawns because they want this done. I do think every state should get a chance to vote even Florida and Michigan it is the only way it would be fair! Maybe the democratic party should change the voting process so every state votes by the end of March or April, it's the voting system that is dragging this out. Elections should be decided by the popular vote, not by superdelagates who can vote any way they want and not by the media!!!

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:36:26 GMT

citron16. Exactly on point. Obama had a legitimate reason for staying in the church. Those that helped get him elected to Illinois state offices were there. He has played the race card several times in the primary. No one has the guts to print that or say that on TV. In South Carolina when Bill Clinton uttered the stupid and idiotic remark that Jesse Jackson had also won the state, the racial not racist remak was spun by Barack's campaign. When Hillary gave LBJ some credit for getting the civil rights Act passed, which he was most certainly instrumental in doing, Obama's campaigh spun that into, "Hillary was belittling Dr. Kings Legacy." Chris was right there with no denial from Barack to ask the question, "Was this a racist statement?" and then he backs it up with "I think so". MSNBC has a dwindling listership. One can just go to their website to see how cheap and feeble it is. Compare it to CNN's sometime and you'll be shocked at how inferior it is. The whole group from Chuck Todd who bills himself as the Chief Political Analist to Mathews is weak and pathetic. They are grabbing at straws and have their entire future bet on Obama. He'll lose and hopefully we'll see the last of them. All three of their hosts have drooling problems. Mathews, Abrams and Oberman shower their watchers nightly. It's a hoot!. CNN is a lot less damp.

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powin — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:56:53 GMT

Comment: Two of the questions ABC asked Wednesday were related to subjects that have largely been met with media yawns. One was Obama's casual association with 1960s era radicals and would-be bomb-setters William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn: What is the nature of his relationship?

"Another was about a questionnaire from a 1996 legislative race in which he endorsed a ban on handguns. Obama said the questionnaire was filled out by someone else and was in error about his views at the time. But it was later found that his handwriting was on the document: What gives?"

"One can dispute the relevance of these stories, though it seems certain they will be of interest to many moderate voters Obama would need in the fall, but it is indisputable that if Clinton was facing similar questions they would be the subject of constant and all-consuming coverage. There is an obvious double standard."

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sdeces77 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:14:28 GMT

Now, with all due respect please, rely on facts and not on impressions, check you facts before uttering aberrations about the campaign events! Now I can understand your allegiance to Senator Clinton, due to the well off economic years of the Clinton era, it is understandable, a sense of loyalty (if not entitlement), and comeback to the good old days with the good old boys and girls! Change is an unknown factor you don’t agree with much! Besides generation of 20 and over, well too bad for them! Change won’t happen, we have once in a lifetime chance to better our society in all the major ways possible but we are afraid of change, we concede to fear mongering tactics and are satisfied with little leadership and abide by old politics methods of divisiveness. But hey, that’s what America wants, we voted Bush twice, so Clinton is a pale comparison! We rather the same old politics! Real discussions scare us!!!

So let it be, vote the lesser good choice and continue blaming your fate on nongovernmental support and convincing yourselves of ghostly fears Senator Clinton is selling you, and that you buy willfully to the highest bidder!

I am sorry to come to this conclusion but that makes me bitter that my fellow citizens act like third world countries that are not able to make responsible choice!!! Let’s take ownership of our past mistakes, and try this time to make it right, if not for yourselves, at least for your children!!!

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elemental — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:18:33 GMT

I am really tired of all this, everyone is always asking for specifics, so now you get them and your still not happy. I do not like all the publicity Hillary Clinton gets on the media. This latest fiasco is really sickining! Hillary ,and her campaigne have been arttacking Obama from day one and as he had stated you can only take so many elbows! So as soon as the man defends hinself, then they turn the tables and start saying we are tired of all this attacking back and fourth! I mean come on it is so very obvious, whats going on here, Hillary always attacked first and this man simply defended himself and in a honorable way at that. I also did not like what she tried to do about Florida, she knew full well what she was doing and saying. She knew that this state would have meant lots of votes for her, so she flips the script and states that Obama should be raising cain for this state so they can vote. What da hell Hillary you are not slick, transparent is more like it, oh and check this out last Friday on Family Feud the question was name somone you would have take a lie detector test. Hillary's name was number 3 out of six answers, Obama name was not mention one time in the survey. Please don't get me wrong I love President Bill Clinton, the man did great things for this country, Hillary is not bill, McCain poor thing the man can't remember nothing and that truly scares me! Obama and wright, people can say what they want in the African American Church , race is often spoken of by pastors, and preachers, sermons to encourage and to awaken. It is from years of being down trodden passed by. The Bible encourages and tells if we or anybody stands strong and hold fast we will over come. America knows it's history and we as a race certainly know ours. America must reclaim it's relationship with God, you think things are bad now you have not seen anything yet. Wright is not racist he simply spoke a truth that we as a Bible believing people already knew. We all of us americans must stand together and not apart, what's the old saying a house divided against it's self can not stand. These are true words all you have to do is look around!

Everybody talking about he should have left the church for what? That man gave a fiery sermon which not uncommon for any pastor, and spoke the truth I just don't agree with the damning of America, only God has that power it is sacred, but if we want to live a prosperous and joyful life we had better put God first!

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:30:44 GMT

Bella12. I didn't mean that money will win the election for him. I simply meant that the wide base of support by those who do send him money makes a very strong statement for his appeal to the nation's voters. These are, for the most part, very small donations that add up into very large figures, competitive with the big dollars that the Republicans have been receiving for some years, now. I use myself as an example of one of them, being an old white man, because old white men have in the past been characterized as not that fond of persons of color. Especially those of us who grew up in segregated states. Many years have passed and we have outgrown that ignorance. It is immaterial to me what the ethnic background or race or religion of a candidate might be. When I see a man as intelligent, articulate and effective as Obama running for president, it becomes a breath of fresh air and an escape from the snare of old politics from Washington. That place is frozen in paid for favors by very large economic interests. As much as I admire the Clintons for their intelligence and abilities, I am convinced that they, also, are too ensnared by their past in this system that we will do well to dissipate with political freshness. I see this as our chance and I contribute to it at every opportunity. I do not feel triumphant in this, at all, but uneasy, given the history of candidates who have won the office and failed in the past. Any of these three now running can do the same. I am simply following my best instinct, with a healthy trepidation, as I hope that all will do. I intend to look with optimism on whoever becomes our next president, having voted my best. If we will all do this, things will probably work out for the best. Whoever thinks that only one of these is a sure win, or the only one who can do well in the office is just whistling in the wind. You can't really know until they get into the oval office and start appointing the people who will run this country. Look at some of the abject failures that we have seen in recent history. Good luck all, and to you, too, Bella.

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:33:34 GMT

Obama is not running for Pastor and if Hillary Clinton said what was said in his church you would want her head for it. I agree completely that Obama is not a racist but he has no problem pinning that tag on those that oppose him.

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elemental — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:47:13 GMT

That is human nature to defend and if the tag has your name on it be what what you claim to be be and wear it!!! Not one of us is perfect, no not one.

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:54:59 GMT

olderwiser, I know you didn't mean the money was the reason for his support. My point is that Barack can't win because he needs the support of virtually all of Hillary's supporters. He's not going to get it and much of the reason is that he pinned the tag of racist on her, Bill and their supporters. . Many of Barack's supporters deny the race card has been used to galvanize the African American support. Anyone who has been involved and interested in the campaign since S.C. knows that sadegy has been used. Simply saying that the Obama campaign has run a purely clean campaign doesn't change the facts. How would you interpret the spin on Hillary's crediting LBJ with the passing of the Civil Rights Act and helping MLK Jr. to realize his dream as a plan to belittle Dr. King's legacy? This was repeated and labeled by MSNBC'c Mathews as a "RACIST" statement will no rebuttal from Barack. MSNBC has endorsed Obama and is his voice in this campaign.

To expect those he calls racist to support and vote for him in the general is ridiculous.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:57:25 GMT

If we continue to be as lucky as we have been since this country since it was formed, pastors will have little to say about how this country is run. Their job is to try to find something to get the attention of people enough to get them in every week, and then to contribute enough to keep the roof on and repaint what starts cracking off the walls. Most of them are not too bright, but they mean well and do try to see after the divine future of their customers. I've heard some pretty crappy comments that some of them have made, but it didn't run anybody off. You just put up with it when brother so and so screws up, because if you run him off, then you will probably get another one just as bad who just graduated from divinity school. Politicians like to keep them on hand so as not to use the religious vote. Sort of let people know that you had Billy G. in to pray with you in a crisis, wink wink. I would never criticize any person that I know who continued to attend a church whose pastor overspoke on something that was embarrassing, simply because mine might do it next week and I would expect a reciprocal courtesy. Just leave what Wright said up to God, and if he didn't like it, he can take care of it. And if Writht was my old friend, by God, I wouldn't leave him on the battlefield to die, either, for saying something stupid. We don't treat our friends that way.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:08:19 GMT

Well, Bella, if either of the democratic candidates' supporters will not vote for the other in the main race, then we will get the same thing that we have been supporting them against. Before all of this anger, bile, and resentment started, we were all desperate to get rid of the machine that has put this country in great jeopardy of a catastrophic failure at home and abroad. To now say that because we have two extremely qualified candidates who tend to run neck and neck before one of them has the honor to evict the corruption from our capital city, we will simply forfeit the government to the same party that is now in power and ruining this place, is a borderline madness. Lighten up. These candidates are not the enemy.

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kshortSD — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:08:57 GMT

Bella12 - I don't think it's accurate to say that Obama needs all of Hillary's supporters. He does much better than she does among independant (and even some Republican) voters.

And as for the "racist" argument, Hillary's supporters used it first by whining that Obama wouldn't have gotten this far if he wasn't black (which is ironic, because one could say the same for Hillary being female). Obama only brought it up himself when forced to defend himself during the Reverend Wright attack.

And as for your argument that Obama is calling people racist when he going to need their votes, Hillary has done much of the same with calling Obama's supporters "delusional", among other things.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:11:18 GMT

And this is not a card game.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:13:44 GMT

Right on the money, kshort, right on the money.

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:17:34 GMT

I don't need to lighten up. You've stated it exactly as it will be. If Hillary was leading the same argument would apply. What her campaign has done to Barack is also unforgivable. Only one solution would be possible and there is no way it will happen. Barack would have to offer Hillary first refusal of the VP post, These two candidates may not be America's Enemy but they are certainly enemies of each other and each other's supporters.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:25:33 GMT

It won't be enough to just beat Mc Cain in November. Nothing personal to him, but the nation needs to overwhelmingly vote against his party in the presidency, senate and house. There needs to be no doubt that we are extremely against what we have been putting up with in the Bush administration, and with those in the senate who have let him veto our vote in 2006. I have a favorite in this race, but there is no way that I can, in good conscience, let the republicans continue this travesty if my candidate is not the nominee. The republicans stole the presidency from us in Florida in 2002, and insulted us with a veritable dolt for a president. The damage that he has done through his monumental ineptness in appointing borderline war criminals to high posts, delegating his power to others that he is responsible for, and impoverishing a large number of our citizens while claiming to be an economic genius is outrageous. If your favorite doesn't win the nomination, you must help us get these people out of government. Or, I must help you. Whichever, it is my duty.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:33:07 GMT

Good point, bella. They are both pretty close mouthed about the magic duo, so to speak. I expect that whatever happens with respect to one offering the other the vice job will be done in closed quarters, since either one's refusal would damage the other. I don't see how either one wouldn't offer to the other, but I think that we have little chance of knowing, unless, the offeree accepts.

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elemental — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:33:43 GMT

What ever, they tried to call Obama racist. because of his pastor! The Clinton campaigne brought race into this race. Who broadcast the sermon?

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:33:47 GMT

kshortsd, I won't bother to get into a peeing match with you about who fired the first shot. If you think Ferraro's remark was prior to the The S.C. racist labeling of Bill Clinton, good for you. I don't remember it that way. Florida was stolen by Bush is 2004 and margin was less than 600 votes, so Barack needs all of Hillary's votes in Florida except 300, ok? If your argument is that Barack can win because Hillary 's campaign was dirtier, I'm not getting that. Hillary has run the most negative campaign on the whole that I've ever seen. Here's the problem Barack has. Hillary still has her support and not only that she's probably going to win Pennsylvania. If it's over and i agree that it is and Barack's won why are people still supporting her. It's because they're not supporting him and they're not going to support him. It's not realistic to say that Barack can win without Hillary's total support. I'm not any happier than you are about it. I'm also not voting for anyone who would label me a racist.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:38:41 GMT

This country has outgrown racism, except for a small minority. Guess you could call them racist, but I won't. It is a non issue. All efforts to make it an issue have failed. We are in a death grips battle with really bad government. Let's get off of this dead horse and ride one with fleet feet. I mean that either candidate will do. One white, one half white, half black. What difference can it possibility make in light of the almost criminally inept government that we seek to oust? Let's get one of them in and get on with the repairs.

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bella12 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:41:03 GMT

olderwiser, Both are politicians if it suits their blueprint for their future they maybe will find a way. It would not be the strangest thing I've seen. Regardless of what's went down not to be able to gain the white House after Bush/Cheney would be a serious opportunity lost. LBJ & JFK was a pretty strange pairing. That's it ,going out on the lake. Did I mention I live n Florida and it a freezing 86 degrees with only a little wind.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:42:55 GMT

Thank you for not peeing into this argument.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:46:39 GMT

Bella. They're both smart. We can't lose with this kind of talent. Io puo parlare in la lengua Italiano, un poco. Muy bella, io credo.

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olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:47:53 GMT

Scusi. Molto bella. Get my Spanish and Italian mixed sometimes.

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kshortSD — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:10:47 GMT

Well, Bella, I hope that you're wrong and that Democratic voters can somehow unite when this mess is finally settled. I'm not about to abandon my party if my favorite doesn't get the nomination. And I don't think that I wrote that "Barack can win because Hillary fights dirty", but I think that Obama has a better chance of uniting the party and attracting independant (and maybe some Republican) voters. Hillary supporters are still voting for her because they can, not necessarily because they refuse to vote for Obama.

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Kboogie — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:12:39 GMT

HEY GUYS, I POSTED THIS UNDER A DIFFERENT ARTICLE, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FORUM TO REPEAT IT.

Aside from the opinionated b*llsh*t that's running rampant, the numbers are what really matter here:

From the latest Gallup Poll: "The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update shows Obama with a 50% to 42% lead over Clinton in national Democratic voters' nomination preferences.This marks the 10th consecutive day that Obama has held a statistically significant lead over Clinton, easily his best stretch of the campaign. That included a campaign best 11 percentage point lead in Tuesday's release. Obama's current margin is down slightly, but still in line with the average 9-point lead in this recent stretch.

Both Democrats hold an advantage over John McCain in registered voters' presidential election choices. In an Obama-McCain match up, 46% of registered voters say they would vote for Obama if the election were held today and 43% would choose McCain. The Clinton-McCain trial heat has Clinton at 46% and McCain at 44%.

Obama has now held at least a slim advantage over McCain for the last nine days, and Clinton has done so for six days. "

Regardless of who we are supporting, the numbers don't lie. Anderson Cooper(CNN) did a piece last night, showing HYPOTHETICAL election results. The conclusion was, even if Hillary wins the next 7 out of the last 10 primaries, she will still be behind in POPULAR VOTES, and DELEGATES. As of right now, she only leads Obama by 24 SUPERDELEGATES. A few weeks ago, she was leading by more than 100.

I don't know about you guys, but when I'm in Vegas, I bet according to the odds. It doesn't look like "swiftboat " politics are working this time around. The Repubs better find a dead hooker in Obama's trunk, kiddie-porn on his harddrive, or the 9/11 attack plans hidden in his safety deposit box, b/c if they don't, nothing is stopping this man from being our next President. Get used to it folks!! AND I STILL CAN'T RECALL WHEN SEN. OBAMA LABELED ANYONE A RACIST, OR HAS ACCUSED THEM OF MAKING RACIST STATEMENTS. I'VE HEARD HIM CALL SUCH REMARKS "INCENDIARY", BUT NEVER "RACIST."

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I WOULD HATE TO BE MISINFORMED.

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Kboogie — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:20:36 GMT

Good point, kshort. As of right now, the INDEPENDENT vote seems to favor Obama.

From a Quinnipac University Poll:

"With strong support from young and independent voters, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama leads Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 - 35 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. These same voters do not give New York Sen. Hillary Clinton as much support in her 45 - 42 percent lead over Sen. McCain.

In the Obama-McCain matchup, independent voters support the Democrat 45 - 38 percent, while voters under 45 years old back him 63 - 30 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh- pe-ack) University poll finds. White voters back Obama 48 - 39 percent while black voters back him 91 - 5 percent.

When Clinton faces McCain, independent voters go to the Republican 48 - 36 percent, while young voters back her 50 - 39 percent. Men back McCain 52 - 37 percent, while women back Clinton 53 - 33 percent.

Voters split 46 - 47 percent in their favorable/unfavorable opinion of Clinton. Obama gets a 59 - 24 percent favorability. McCain gets a 52 - 31 percent score.

"Sen. Barack Obama has argued that he is more electable than Sen. Hillary Clinton because of his appeal to independent voters. And that is what we are finding. Independent voters, especially independent men, make the difference," said Quinnipiac University Poll Director Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D."

"Obama wins a huge 73 percent of voters under 35, but will they show up on Election Day? Historically, they haven't turned out."

Hillary needs Obama's supporters more than he needs her's to win the General!!!!

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kyinaire — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:41:34 GMT

"The Media Yawns" -- just because the media thinks Obama's boring doesn't mean he's a bad candidate, or that others will think he's boring as well. Which is what the title implies.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

olderwiser — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:43:40 GMT

Well, Bella, you went to the lake and I went to take a nap. We old guys have to take naps in the afternoon. Easy to do here in some hot weather, as well. I won't mention the state, but will shamefully admit that one of our recent governors has been in Washington for the past seven years screwing up the whole United States of America and a good part of the world while he was at it. Buona sera. Buenas noches, bon nuit, and good night. The returns will start coming in in a few minutes. Adios, adieu, ciao. Enjoyed our repartee. Sorry we met so late in life, but really enjoyed your company.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

HigherMinds — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:39:26 GMT

Kboogie ... interesting the way you edited the polling information. I was interested and googled the site ... why did you leave the following summaries out?

Quote: "New York Sen. Hillary Clinton holds a 50 - 41 percent lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters and runs better against Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican nominee in Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 53 - 41 percent lead in a March 18 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. In general election match ups of the three largest and most important swing states in the Electoral College, the survey finds:

Florida: Clinton 44 percent - McCain 42 percent; McCain beats Obama 46 - 37 percent;

Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 39 percent; Obama gets 43 percent to McCain's 42 percent;

Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 40 percent; Obama leads McCain 43 - 39 percent."

Now, try your logic again. Those 3 swing states alone could carry the GE. Your "conclusion" is not valid.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

Emanuel — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:19:24 GMT

The media has done the American public a huge disservice by planting the delusion of possible victory in the minds of Hillary supporters. Her supporters are being set up for anger, disappointment and yes bitterness after the reality sets in. What's the media's motivation? Just follow the money: The Clintons are a tabloid treasure. Every week you hear something boneheaded coming from Bill's mouth, plus the media is making a ton of money on Barack Obama's purchases of airtime.

This is America, not the Soviet Union. Winners are decided by the voting public, not party insiders. By every voting metric, Senator Obama has a prohibitive lock on the party nomination. But still we entertain some convoluted scenario that would override the will of the American people. Tell me if this sounds familiar: the electorate ignores the will of the voters in order to nominate the relative of a former president. George W Bush’s “entitlement” to the presidency started a cascade of lies and abuses of power which led us into our current nightmare. Presidents who feel entitled to the office are more inclined to disrespect it. Those who earn power through the will of the people always remember where their support came from. It's very sad to see how short of a memory the American people have.

Recycled political families bring with them many old friends and special interests. These interests hold too much influence in their administration. It's not a coincidence that oil companies and military contractors have enjoyed record profits during the past 8 years - this is the George W Bush entourage. With the Clintons, the big pharmaceutical companies and the HMO's are waiting in the wings.

Special interests need to be regularly flushed out of Washington. It's the only way to have a genuinely responsive government. We can do this by electing a new face and bringing in a new regime, not the Clintons. Also, there is no logical reason why the Republicans should maintain control of the White House. They have failed America on all fronts.

These are only some of the reasons why I support Barack Obama. No animosity; no hatred. Just seeking positive change in pursuit of what I believe is best for America.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

olderwiser — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:09:28 GMT

You are right, Emanuel. Let's flush 'em. Watch 'em swirl on the way out.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

sisterkate — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:15:25 GMT

I've done a lot of canvassing in Western Pa and here' s how I see it. Hillary people don't know what they're going to do or refuse to discuss it if Hillary is not nominated because they just believe she's going to win. Obama people are split: some will vote for Hillary and some will vote for McCain;however, the feedback is much greater that they will vote for another party candidate to show they stand for "change." Interesting!!! (Not what the media has shown with their poles!!) But are people really disgusted enough?

On the other hand, I've had many registered Rebulicans who have told me they're planning to cross over for Obama this year. (All white males!! Two are doctors) To date I have not found one, Not ONE, who's a registered Republican that will vote for Hillary. Republicans believe Obama and McCain are the most ethical candidates. And I've known of a few Republicans who changed party lines to vote for Hillary in the PA primary, but told me in the general election they'll vote for McCain. What is this all about?

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

sisterkate — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:38:01 GMT

One final comment. I've noticed that the Obama people are becoming “more bitter” in my area in Western PA. They’ve been upset with the loss of jobs for a long time(20+ years), the arrogance of Bush, and now they’re dealing with the arrogance of the Hillary supporters. It’s not looking good here.

Saturday before the primaries Bill Clinton came to our town. The Hillary people crashed a public Obama party, acted out, were rude, boisterous, and obnoxious. They twisted the Obama yard signs and threw all the signs on the ground, as all the other candidates signs remained standing.

After the PA primary the Hillary people returned to act out once again. The Obama people had to leave the public place they’ve patronized for the past 4 months, (due to some “rude” Hillary supporters) move all their cars across the street, and hang at another establishment. It’s bad enough when the leaders are unethical and arrogant but when their supporters act this way it’s even worse. Haven’t we learned our lesson with Bush and his supporters? Now the Clintons and their supporters acting like the Bushs!!! How much more can we take of these kind of people?

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

olderwiser — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:36:54 GMT

Rush Limbaugh told them to vote for Hillary, sisterkate. His take was that she was easier to beat than Obama. There were tons of them here in Texas doing the same thing. I was floating in a sea of Republicans in our evening caucus following Rush's orders. Mc Cain was already in, so they went to the Democratic primaries in droves to vote for her during the day. Then, not as many of them came at night to the caucus, so he picked up extra delegates in the causes, anyway. Truth be known, she won Texas with a Republican boost.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

olderwiser — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:41:15 GMT

The woman's nuts for spin. If she's broke she complains that Obama abuses money. If her numbers make it impossible to win, she claims that she is more electable. Magic. You get less votes and that makes you more electable. If she has more money, watch her. She will say she should win because she has more money. She says that she is a fighter. Then she should have knocked the crap our of Bill for diddling behind the oval office. She fights the heck our of logic. I'll give her that.

re: Obama Gets Specific--and the Media Yawns

olderwiser — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:44:32 GMT

And, oh, she did fight the Bosnia airport wars. Guess she is a fighter, after all. We'll call it the squat and dodge 'em at the Bosnis reception war. Whoops. Forgot the cameras were there. Oh, well, I was sleepy from all that travel. I don't lie. But, when I'm sleepy I sometimes forget the truth. I willl take the phone off the hook at night when I get into the White House. Don't worry.