After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

janforhilary — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:02:32 GMT

I hope the superdelegates vote for Hilary to win the primary. I will have to write her name in if she doesn't win. No way would I vote for Obama. I hope the democrats don't think that they will bring the party together if Hilary is not on the ticket. Put Obama as vice president, maybe he will be experienced by the next election

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

janforhilary — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:08:13 GMT

The republican party will swift boat Obama. He thinks the Clinton machine is picking on him. Wait until the Republicans start on him. They can't wait to start with Rev. Wright, Michele Obama, He will not win the General Election. Race is alive and well in America and the far left is out to lunch if they think differently.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

DoctorJ — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:09:10 GMT

Hilary had everything going for her and this guy came out of no where and now leads in delegates. If the delegate count was reversed...if she lead by one delegate, she and Bill would have declared victory and pressured Obama to quit.

The country doesn't want those two again. He needs to pick a VP who mirrors his philosophy and doesn't represent the old guard.

I am a Republican who will vote for McCain...but if I had to accept a democrat for Pres...It would be Obama in a heartbeat...

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

mkroggasch — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:25:28 GMT

Experience as a president is gained first hand, while president. No one has presidential experience, not even former first lady Hilary Clinton. There is a reason a president has a cabinet and advisers... the president isn't meant to do it alone. Obama is what this country needs.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:25:34 GMT

What happens after Pa democratic primaries? We give DC back to stay the cource with McCain! FOR FOUR MORE BANKRUPT YEARS, TILL NOT ONE ACRE IS OWNED BY AMERICANS, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ON THE TITLE CAUSE AS WE SPEAK BUSH IS SELLING YOUR LAND TO CHINAAND TOMORROW TO! DOCTORJ YOUR RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Miande — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:36:50 GMT

Can't someone get Andrew to STOP using the word "narrative" incorrectly? If he has nothing of substance to say, at the least he might say it correctly!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:38:12 GMT

OBAMA CAN'T BE SWIFT BOATED AS EASIELY AS A CLINTON WHO HAS 16+ YEARS OF DIRT COMPARED TO MAKING MISTAKES GROWING UP! WE HAPPILY ACCEPTED WITH BUSH AND HIS CRONIES "YOUTHFULL INDESCRETIONS" AT THE AGE OF 49! SO 46 IS UNDER RESPONSABILITY FOR A POLITICIAN. ACCORDING TO "YOU THE PEOPLE"! SWIFT BOAT HIS NAME TO, REMEMBER HE DID HAVE A CHOICE IN HIS MOMMAS BELLY-RIGHT, YOU DID? SWIFT BOAT HIS RELIGION HE STAYED DURING A SERMON HE DISAGREED WITH! IF HE WALKED, HE WOULD SHOW NO FAITH, IN HIS CHOSEN FAITH! SO DAMED IF HE DOES, DAMED IF HE DON'T! JUST SAY DAMED! AS WE DID WHEN HIS PARENTS MARRIED IN THE U.S.! IT WAS THE FAST TRACK TO HELL TO CROSS MARRY, LET ALONE GROW UP AN OREO! TO BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF DAILY! NOT WANTED IN HARLEM, AND NOT WANTED ANYWHERE INSIDE AMERICAN BORDERS! AS WE RESPECT EVERYONE [WHO IS JUST LIKE US] THAT'S IT! I'M 46, KNOWING WHAT HE GREW UP HERE WITH WAS PURE HELL, AND NOTHING SHORT OF BEING ABLE TO WALK INTO ANY SITUATION AND GET US OUT, IS HIS ONLY WAY TO GROW PAST THE AGE OF 10!!!WHITE AMERICA RULED THEN, AND STILL LOOKS LIKE IT TODAY, MRS CLINTON!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Non_Racist — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:52:55 GMT

Lets just tell the truth about it all.. The reason why Obama Did not win In Pa Is because PA is full with A hole lot of racism. These White ppl here are not going 2 Vote for a man who is fare and the only one is telling the truth.. Who will help this dieing economy. They do not care about those things if you are not white then we are not going 2 vote for you period. Everyone is tip toeing around the real reason he lost. They know and I know . So lets stop this B.S .. We all know who is the better canidate. But because of his color he is not going 2 win those racist states.. period .. I wish someone would have the balls 2 tell the truth..I live in PA now And I see it first hand.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

vp of common sense — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:55:31 GMT

Obama has already won. Hillary has bankrupted her campaign trying to keep up with Obama in PA.

I think it is fortunate that she will not be the nominee. She can't manage the fiscal responsibilities of her capaign - why should we trust her with the US economy?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

kadillahopper — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:59:05 GMT

It never ceases to amaze me how the media can not see the forest for the trees. There is no way Mr. Obama can win in November. His own actions in one moment cost him the election in the minds of millions of people. Come November the Republicans are going to exploit that one moment. Those of you already in the grassroots movement that has been going on for several months through e-mail, phone or post know what that moment was. The media still don't get why he can't win the presidency. Even if Mr.Obama wins the nomination and Mrs. Clinton puts her support behind him, he will not get the vote of this democratic grassroots movement. There is one quality that is ingrained in every American that is the ultimate test for the presidency and Mr. Obama showed that he does not possess this quality. It will be the democratic party that will pay the price for the deaf ear the DNC has turned against the voice of the people. We have long memories and when all the hoopla has died down and the next elections come up, all those who have tried to shove Mr. Obama down our throats can go back to their old jobs because they will not be representing us in the Senate or House. They will all be voted out of office. The grassroots movement will see to this.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

TJ21 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:09:52 GMT

Hillary is painful

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

vp of common sense — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:18 GMT

You are right. Hillary was caught in a huge lie in public - as she was trying to pad her resume. Great presidents know how to lie. Obama is unqualified.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Eshe — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:18:38 GMT

Obama will be the winner of this nomination and he will beat Mc Cain if voters will stop looking at his color and look into what he can offer. This whole bs of not having the experience that Clinton keeps babbling about is stupid; no one gets experience unless they are put in a position to do the job. After graduating college, don't we all seek jobs and because of our qualification expects to get the job without having the experience? Wake up people, have a pepsi..for crying out lout. Also, if Mrs. Clinton was so sensible, she would try to keep Bill as far away from the white house as possible, especially knowing there are many many more Monika Lewinskys there. His indescritions will become distractions for her especially at her age; or maybe, just maybe, she wants to go in to get some young thing to get back at him for what he did to her with Monika.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Eshe — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:24:27 GMT

Janforhilary: If you had applied for a job, would you want to be given the assistant position to that job and hopefully get to do what you want to do after you have gained the experience as the assistant. Assistant does not get the same experience as the person doing the job sweetie, get real?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Chris Paris — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:28:38 GMT

Obama wins, Hillary wins, it does not matter. With either one we all lose. These two pathetic snake charmers do not deserve to keep their Senate seats. The Democratic Party has members that are decent, but they can never seem to get to the head of the ticket.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

speckelbelly — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:00:59 GMT

IM GOING TO TELL ALL YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE -

THANK GOD I AM WHITE AND SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

IF I WAS JUST LISTENING TO THE RADIO AND HEARD MR OBAMA TALK! I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM HANDS DOWN COMPARED TO BILLARY OR JOHN McCAIN!!BILLARY NOT FIGHTING FOR US?SHE FIGHTING FOR HER SELF!!!JOHN McCAIN WAY TOO OLD SCHOOL!!BOMB BOMB IRAN INDEED!!!LOOK ALLL THESE PEOPLE ARE TAINTED WITH *** ALL OVER THEM!!McCAINS BEEN ON THE GOVERNMENT TIT FOR 30 YEARS PLUS BACK ROOM DEALS ALL KINDS OF STUFF.BILLARY BAGGAGE DONT NEED ANY OF IT.!!! SO I VOTE FOR THE LEAST TAINTED PERSON OUT OF ALL OF THEM!!! I WANT HOPE AND CHANGE-MR PRESIDENT OBAMA 08 AND BEYOND!!!!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

MBH70 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:20:14 GMT

I usually don't write into msg boards but I really enjoy the home town Chris, Keith and the entire team; barring a few.....

I have a question as to how the primary winners can be projected so early? I mean the manlte was being draped on Sen. Clinton with 0% of the vote in.

Iv'e seen projections and declarations as early as 20%........what is going on today???

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

4 Real Change — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:03:39 GMT

Dear 4Clinton...she is an extremely educated woman. Having graduated from Harvard Law School, passed the Bar, and earned an undergraduate degree from another top institution, I believe the question as to whether or not she is educated isn't up for seriouse debate.

In any case, I agree with your call for people to "please pay attention." I think though that we should pay attention to what this election/fight is doing to us as a party, a people, and a nation. A wise person once said "...the main thing, is to keep the main thing, the main thing." I really believe we are becoming side tracked by "non-issues" and media manufactured animosity towards each other that ultimately puts us at risk as a country.

For me, the main thing is moving the country forward no matter who the next president is. I tend to believe that Obama has both the intelligence and leadership ability to unite the country and bring everyone's clear thinking to the table to tackle the difficult challenges we face going forward as a nation, but if by some strange twist of fate, Clinton wins the nomination, she will have my strongest support as well. Because at the end of the day, the issue isn't who's right, it is what's right, and more importantly what's right for the country as opposed to what's right for any of the individuals who would be President!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Mr Bill — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:55:52 GMT

In reality, how can one honestly state, that Obama is better suited to become President, vs. opponent Hillary Clinton ? We've just had 8 terrible years under the dictatorship of G.W. Bush, and no doubt, he'll leave office with our country in shambles ! What we need now, is a Presidential candidate with a true working knowledge of government, foreign affairs, etc.. We need a leader who already is aware of the atmosphere in D.C., and a leader who knows how/ when to make the correct and positive changes for the collective good of all Americans, both here and abroad, and for the security of the United States.. Obama is still young, he's inexperienced and has much to learn before he enters the "Big League", and dreams of sitting in the oval office. Sure, he'goes to church, is educated, and has done some positive things for the working man/ woman, however, his past/ present efforts to create positive change in our country is small scale and limited compared to his opponents previous records of public service, I'm surprised that after the 8 years that our country and its' people have suffered under the Bush Administration, that a large majority of voters through-out our country are going to make a huge mistake once again, and possibly put someone in office with so little experience and knowledge of the Presidency and its' powers, that our country will continue to spin its' wheels and remain to be bogged-down by war, poverty, job loss, healthcare issues, etc. In short, Obama talks the talk, but, he's never walked the walk ! People, lets not make this a race issue, or a female minority thing, as being our reason for possibly voting for either candidate. Our country needs fixing, it's in trouble, and we have alot of men, women, and children homless and sleeping in the streets. To attempt to correct only some of the problems that I mention above, we're going to need someone who has previously been in the White House, is knowledgable with the duties of President of the United States, and one who knows his/ her limitations of power, and how to use it when needed. And I hate to bash another Vietnam Vet, but, McCain, he's past his prime, his temper and personal conduct have always been in question, and he's just ornery enough to keep the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan for a long time, and depriving our citizens of the things we need here at home. Can we afford this if we want our country to move on and once again prosper ? Obama ? Wrong guy at the wrong time, too many promises, not enough experience to make the dream come true. Clinton ? She's talked the talk and walked the walk. When things went South between she and Bill w/ that Lewinsky scandal, she could have ran away and buried her head in the sand, she didn't, her family values came first, and she over-came and prevailed, life went on, More-so, she's extremely focused on what it will take, and what she must do to turn things around for the good of our country, By electing Clinton to the Presidency, although I like Bill despite a few things, Hillary is her own person, and not Bill's puppet. As a former steelworker who had lost employment w/ two seperate steel corporations in the 70's and 1980's, I believe that Hillary will fix that NAFTA situation to our benefit, or she'll scrap the whole thing and walk away from Mexico and Canada. If you are considering voting for her should she prevail with the Democratic nomination, as she said, there are differences between she and Bill regarding NAFTA, and other. Bill was smart, but, Bill was prone to mistakes, and she wants the chance to make things right once again. This is only my personal opinion, what's you thoughts on the three candidates and where they would lead us ?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

mdenhof — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:57:32 GMT

Spin, Spin, Spin.

Reality = Obama was able to reduce a 25% lead by Clinton in the polls to a 10% margin of victory (in a state that was ideal for Clinton in terms of demographics).

Reality = Abstract notions like "momentum" don’t mean much at this point. Statisticians have already determined that it is impossible for Clinton to catch up to Obama in delegates won between now and the convention.

Reality = There's no way the superdelegates are going to steal the nomination from the candidate with the most delegates won at the time of the convention. Why? That would be undemocratic. It would destroy the Democratic Party’s reputation (revealing hypocrisy). It would likely force masses of Obama supporters to either not vote in the general election or vote for McCain.

Reality = the only way Hillary Clinton will be able to get the superdelegates to steal/overturn Obama's lead at convention time, is through a Tanya Harding approach. The Clintons have already made the dirtiest plays one could easily conceive of and it has not worked to date (e.g., make Obama out to be anti-American, play the race card, associate Obama with controversial figures or with Islamic religion or Bin Laden himself).

As solid a Democrat as I am, I would personally NEVER, EVER vote someone into office who would so relentlessly pursue personal gain/glory that she would attempt to destroy another person along the way. And let’s be clear, Obama is and has always been the underdog in this race. The Clintons consider themselves the icons of the Democratic party and they are extremely connected and advantaged when it comes to garnering support of superdelegates and utilizing relationships for favors, etc., concerning campaign activities. Barack Obama has overcome unbelievable odds in maintaining his lead despite all of the advantages that Clinton has had. He and his supporters deserve every ounce of credit for what they have achieved and what he is likely to achieve in the end—the nomination and the presidency.

One last note: People. Please don’t be fooled by phony arguments about Hillary’s ability to win the larger/key states. The Clinton campaign spreads these ideas while knowing full well that there is no genuine parallel between a democratic candidate’s ability to win larger states when running against another democrat in a democratic nomination process and (b) one’s ability to win larger states when running against a republican in the general election. It’s easy to look back at previous contests and see that this just isn’t true. People who win particular states during party nominee contests often don’t replicate in the general election. It’s a phony argument (and they know it). But it’s grist for the mill when you are running a “say anything, do anything to win” campaign.

Mike Denhof, PhD

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Bobo69 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:00:18 GMT

To Non_Racist: it could not possible be that they are bitter about his bitter comment, right? it could not be because he does not have the experience either, right? It could not be because they did not buy his sales pitch, right? It could not be because that Obama himself has baggage just like the other candidates, right? It could not be because they don't believe he could possibly achieve all those goals he promised, right? It could not be because they think Hillary Clinton is the better candidate, right? It could not be because they don't think he could win the GE in November, right? By assuming that everyone in PA is a racist, sounds like a pretty racist comment if I ever heard one, RIGHT?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Jumpingnots — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:32:43 GMT

Obama did not make it in Pennsylvania,but came close enough to stay ahead of Hillary. The reason he dit not make it are these old people who are still living in the old slave years area and will never vote for a black guy, that's the problem they have with the old folks in that state. I am a white man 84 year old and I voted Obama, the young people and the people with enough education understand that this country need a differend direction and a big change is needed

we have to get rid of the old clique in the WhiteHouse,the only way this country wil survive. Obama is an smart and well educated young man who can do this for our country with the help of many of his backers,this country needs to be lead by fresh and young educated people, Don't go for the same stuff they have been feeding you down your throat for years .Free yourself and vote to get Obama in the White House.Hillary and Bill the sigar man can fade away the sooner the better

Yes this country has to start all over again there is no quick fix .Obama is your man.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

the boy — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:50:35 GMT

what's with the division in the democratic party? you guys SHOULD have a cakewalk trip to the White House with George W's ineptitude - but here you sit fighting among yourselves. You're still looking like the party of Kerry the flip flopper as you can't decide who you want to represent you. Make a choice, and get on with it. Personally, I want Obama. Hillary is a representative of the old government and we need something new to change this country around. I encourage all you democrats to put her out to pasture rather than carrying out this silly nonsense.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Jumpingnots — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:13:34 GMT

We still have too many people in this country and for sure in Pennsylvania where they still live in the slave area and just can't let go out and vote for a black man,this was clear to day I would say,

but there are a few more states to come and then we see who comes out on top.

And I am an old white man,but Obama got my vote.I am just sick from the old clique we get in Washinton over and over again.But not this time I hope.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Proudmale — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:20:44 GMT

It is clear that Hillary is leaving Pennsylvania on wobbly knees due to her financial problems. These problems are not a trade secret and clearly show just how desperate the Clinton campaign is. They also show just how phony the campaign is. For instance, Hillary has since corrected it, but just about 2 weeks ago, Aetna had started collection efforts because she was 3 months late on HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS for her workers. Kind of makes you wonder if she would jettison our health care too if she decided it was expedient.

My biggest problem is with both her and Obama and it deals with how they are drying up all of the campaign money on the Democratic side. These two will have soon raised and spent $300 million -- for that type of money the media should Saint one of them. But, poof, that money is gone, nada, Elvis has left the building with no stickey buns left behind.

That means that the bottom feeders -- you know the ones who go after the low races such as boards, councils, assemblies, even state legislatures are going to have trouble getting money this year. The party is running on dry, Howard is putting out a beg a thon to pay for Denver, so you know he cannot help them print up their election brochures. The state and county parties are

just as poor.

Yes sir. From my perspective, the biggest thing that Hillary is going to accomplish this year is to give the party with the Bottom Feeders destitute. They will likely lose creating a Republican wave in a few years as they mature. Thanks, Billary -- We needed that.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

kenthou713 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:29:53 GMT

You know, I was a long term Republican until Obama gave me the inspiration to switch to a Democrat. I cannot believe the Hillary is willing to jeopardize McCain continuing the failed Bush policies by her reluctance to back out of this race. Shame on the lying Hillary. She isn't honest, yet people seem to forget her past with during the many scandals in the 1990's and even her lying about her Bosnia trip.'

She is a snake and she won't bring the needed change to WA that America has demanded. If she wins the nomination, I am switching back to the Republican party. I will not vote for Hillary who has never demonstrated what I look for in a President.

Wake up America!!!!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

yupik1 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:16:33 GMT

She's only winning because she continues to bring up the names of Wright, Farrakhan, and Ayers. She'll continue to use them because they WORK! with the demographic that fears them the most. Older white people. In Pennsylvania these are people who lost their jobs because of NAFTA, and they are willing to vote for the Clinton's who lost their jobs in the first place because Obama's been tarnished as a anti-American Black man with ties to Muslims and known terrorists. Hillary knew that the ABC debate would be the MOST watched debate yet, and capitalized on expanding her attacks with those very people that Obama has links to. Everyone knew she was a liar going into the debate so that question was marginally effective at best. One has to wonder if she knew ahead of time that those questions would be asked of Obama. Lastly, for Obama to go on the attack could be VERY detrimental to his image if executed the wrong way. Imagine this: A black man blatantly beating on a white woman. Hillary knows this and is using it to her advantage with every opportunity. Too bad Obama couldn't do an ad with white women telling the camera how disgusting Hillary has been during the campaign. I think that would be very effective.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Sarge777 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:57:56 GMT

When you have blacks coming out in these numbers voting for a man who says that he is black even though he is half white and the fact that is mothers family raised him it is about race. Personally I do not want someone in the white house that is receiving endorsements and money from a well know terrorist group or has associated with someone who constantly is negative against this country and anyone that is white. I admire and trust Hillary, but lets be honest the media was against her from the start. If Obama wins the nomination I will vote for John McCain. I think Hillary would be a better president she has more experience, and I think that everyone who votes should gather their facts before they make a decision on who they want to lead this country out of this recession. Personally it will take more than eight years to undo the damage that Bush has done. I will leave this election in the hands of our Almight God and his son,

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ervinst@hotmail.com — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:55:40 GMT

to sarge777, seems to me the race factor is in your court. You would trust the Clintons no matter what they did..After Bill C. Lied and cheated while he was in office...and Hillary Protected herself from inquiring eyes in her legal profession..then to lie about things she did while Bill was in office while she is running for president of the USA.....where is the character or trust that she claims to have? Just what is her experience.....? And how far is her truth being stretched to get into office...and just what will she lie about then.?

I really wish that we had someone other than what is running for this office from either party.

I would like to see changes all through our government so that real change could take place..

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

vp of common sense — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:02:06 GMT

to sarge777, what experience are you referring to? one plus term as the junior senator from NY? experience under sniper fire? what exactly?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

meghan21578 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:39:54 GMT

Posted By: kenthou713 (April 23, 2008 at 2:29 AM)

Wake up America!!!!

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I don't understand why she should have to back out, she is still winning primaries and ahead in polls in some of the remaining primaries which means there are a great number of people out there who want her to be president. Who are you to determine when she should drop out?? Obama can't win big states that much is obvious, he hasn't won any of the states he needs to win in order to win the Presidential election. I know the whole he wins the small states that democrats normally don't win argument, but it's a democratic primary.. OF course a democrats going to win them, but come general election time they will all stay republican so I guess the fact that he won a primary there won't matter.

I don't think either of them should be pressured to drop out of the race until the primaries are over and all the states have had their say. That's the Democratic Way!! This is their shot to become president, so I can understand them holding on to it.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

meghan21578 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:47:08 GMT

Posted By: mdenhof (April 23, 2008 at 12:57 AM)

Spin, Spin, Spin.

Reality = Obama was able to reduce a 25% lead by Clinton in the polls to a 10% margin of victory (in a state that was ideal for Clinton in terms of demographics).

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You want to talk reality....

Reality: Obama has way outspent Hillary in Pennsylvania in some instances 3 to 1, has almost tripled the amount of ads on the TV that she has, and held record breaking attendance rallies....

YET the Reality is he still couldn't win! That's the Reality. I was an athlete and I played in lots of big games and the Reality is that whether it's by 25 points or 1 point a loss is a loss. Come General Election time if he loses, the White House is LOST! Whether it's by 25 points or 1 point.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

meghan21578 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:00:15 GMT

Posted By: mdenhof (April 23, 2008 at 12:57 AM)

Mike Denhof, PhD

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Well I was wondering if we should follow the same rule of thumb for when the Obama campaign talks about winning states that Democrats normally don't win. Because as you so wonderfully pointed out "People who win particular states during party nominee contests often don’t replicate in the general election. It’s a phony argument (and they know it)."

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Char22 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:07:58 GMT

Seems to me some people still find it interesting to demoralize the Clinton's due to the Lewinsky case. oooooooooooooooo Bill got a B job and lied.........And Hill stood by her man, PLEEEEEZZZZZ.

the same people do not see it as really scary to vote for someone who has so many scary friends such as The Rev Wright, Farrakhan, etc....a man that gets money from very questionable places maybe Terrorist groups.... His middle name made me Begin to look into his history, and I typed Obama and Israel in the goggle site just to see what comes up because it would bring up terrorist information and IT sure did......go look for yourselves. I know Obama is smart and inspirational but we are just beginning to find out more about him, and whatever is coming out tells us enough to BEWAR.....

Politician in its nature unfortunately include Lies....Which lies are more scary to you guys.

The associations of Barak or the B.Job Bill got????

I think it took one Clinton to clean up after a Bush and it would take another Clinton to clean up after the 2nd Bush. By the way Guys JFK and Lincoln got a B. Job too.

I think when it comes to our safety we will be far more safe with Hillary then with Barak.

While he bills himself as a Black man because demographically it may produce votes. He is actually half white who berated his own white grandmother, and his wife told us she is not often proud of the American people, she said "For the FIRST TIME" she was proud of us because people voted for her man? hhhmmmmm So whom is she proud of the Taliban???? Islam???

I do not know and I do not trust them.

When I first heard his speech 2003 I too was impressed and thought he is special, but to follow someone blindly is no different then drinking the Cool Aid, I know that not all that glitters is gold, and the more we find out about him the more he scars me.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

meghan21578 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:12:58 GMT

Posted By: Bobo69 (April 23, 2008 at 1:00 AM)

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Thank you Bobo!! I just really don't understand why because not everyone agrees with Obama or feel he will make the best candiadate that it's automatically assumed that race is the reason. I have read most of these posts this morning and a large majority of them make this insinuation. That racism is the reason Obama lost. Do I agree that there are white people who won't vote for Obama because he's black...Yes, but not all white people feel that way. It's kind of the same thing as Black people saying the only reason they are voting for him is because he's black. That in my opinion is just as wrong. Just as you shouldn't not vote for a candiadate based on race, that shouldn't be the only reason you vote for someone. I am a woman, but I wouldn't vote for Hillary simply because we both have a vagina. That is not only unintelligent, but very dangerous.

I am making my decision based on who I feel is best suited for the job. The one I feel has the experience and the ability to run this country. Personally I don't feel that Obama is that person. I just don't think he is ready for the job. If Colin Powell was running, I would be the first one in line to volunteer for him and vote for him, because he is someone I feel is qualified for the job. I understand the Black Community's Pride and Joy in the fact they there is a viable black candiadate, but doesn't it diminish that if he isn't the right candiadate??

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Char22 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:27:17 GMT

TO: yupik1

You say Hillary tell us about the very people that Obama has links and ties with is the only reason she is winning????? IF Her experience is nothing in your minds eye OK Your opinion but....but.....but......

Those links and ties that he has should mean something; a very good reasons to BEWARE....

Do you think we need to hide that information? do you think it is OK for a president to mix with Hate groups???? You scar me too.....Manay too many people drink the Cool Aid, and forget that it is very important to view somebody's associations to get a better picture of them.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

desertclair — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:43:54 GMT

Andrew and the rest of those analysts are wrong again! Everything has changed. The tide is moving toward Hillary. Hillary can beat McCain. Obama can not win the general election. For example, defining Hillary's tough talk about Iran as "saber rattling" is one reason why Obama can not beat McCain! People want to elect a President who is ready to defend us when needed. Obama seems too comfortable with Muslim hatred of us, as he showed by being willing to sit in a church where the pastor preached anti-american/anti-white sermons, and by his connections to black militant racists. I'm sure the Republicans will make sure everyone is so concered about Obama's softness on black hatred that it will be hard for people to vote for him because of the questions raised. That is why the Superdelegates need to perform their function and vote for the most electable candidate at the Democratic convention. This system was set up to stop someone like Obama who came on strong in the beginning of a primary campaign but ultimately did not have what it would take to win the general election. What is important is to win in November!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

freeomchild — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:53:44 GMT

CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the thing I loved the best about last night is comparing it to previous nights leading up to election day. Watching the news coverage and listening to everyone in the media just pounding on and writhing her off. Saying things like "She will have to win by double digits and that it was almost impossible because Obama was out spending her 4-1" And that Obama was cutting he lead down to 2-5 percent. And oh how they just knew everything because of their polls. Their precious polls told them so. I loved watching Chris, Keith and Matt choke on their words once they had saw that she won by those double digits and surprising make Joe and Pat Buchanan look creditable. What the media needs to realize that every one of those new voters were not guarnateed to vote for Obama and whether they realize it or not they are making Hillary out to be the "underdog" and everyone loves the underdog and even more everyone respects anyone famous who has been knock down but gets back up! That lilltle gals a fighter and I love her for it. We need that to win the General Election. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

wyl5326 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:15:25 GMT

Hill's win in PA also bankrupted her campaign just like how US Cold War strategy have bankrupted the Soviets and push it over the edge into dissolution. I don't know if Hill is going to get another round of financial support when most of them have already maxed out. Her remaining option was another round of Elton concert, web donations and personal funds. I wonder if her campaign machine can continue running without fuel with the finish line is getting closer and Barack still so far ahead of her with no fuel problem. Without landing a knockout punch, she is just bloodying Barack for easier targeting by John in November. Whatever she do, she won't get her coronation and only helps the GOPs later by showing them the way in how to attack Barack ! If her objective is to be with her in WH in '08 or 2012, then she deserves to be expelled now.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

kidjny — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:16:23 GMT

To all the my fellow Obama supporters: Keep up the good fight and some day soon, hopefully after Indiana and N. Carolina, Hillary will sit her butt down! She is fighting a battle that she already lost, and doing uncontrollable damage to her own party. Wow, and that’s the kind of commander and Chief that ya want….Not me.

CLINTON CONTINUES TO FALL BEHIND OBAMA and OBAMA DID GREAT IN PA. NUMBERS DON’T LIE – HILLARY needs to JUST SIT DOWN!

My mother in blue collar central PA, a 68y white-republican GARB-Baptist women said yesterday “I don’t like her at all, she is arrogant” And as a Bi-Racial man in Chicago I agree. She is Power-Hungry.

But lets focus on the man himself now and not her anymore. As a Moody Bible Institute alumnus (a very conservative seminary in Chicago) I would even argue apologetically and theologically that Obama is the moral choice for President.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

johnboy21 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:03:15 GMT

Go Hillary, Go Hillary, Go Hillary.

All of us blacks are not voting for Obama. Even 2% supported you in PA.

Stop the Obama mobile and his connections with black liberation and muslims.

We need a president the loves America and wil defend AMerica. We do not need Barak Hussein Obama. Obama would have to talk to Wright and his muslim family members before the US could defend itself against terroist.

Go Hillary

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

valark — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:07:46 GMT

So 10 percent doesn't matter?

However, Obama is not winning in either delegates or popular vote by more than 10 percent.

So selective choices on what matters works for you then?

As far as "damage", you can't be serious. Anything that is coming out now would come up over and over between the selection of the nominee and the election in November.

It is really a sad commentary when the people who support a nominee who is their "moral" and "ethical" and "logical" leader, have none of those characteristics themselves.

Hillary sits down and you liberal Democrats have one choice only. Obviously, several million people disagree with that choice, along with several political leaders.

Somehow you have decided that you can tie anything to anything and think it makes sense. "Hill's win in PA also bankrupted her campaign just like how US Cold War strategy have bankrupted the Soviets and push it over the edge into dissolution." That statement makes no sense. Every single one of these rabid rants make no sense at some point. I don't understand why you are so hysterical. Did you not vote? If you voted, then you spoke your mind. Yelling at people about insane leaps of logic just alienates them.

"I would even argue apologetically and theologically that Obama is the moral choice for President." Hysterical...you are aware he is a politician? You are aware he lies, makes power-hungry choices, and fails to meet a consistent ethical or moral standard?

Its okay, usually people are hysterical because something is wrong. Its not that Clinton is in the running, its because you blinded yourself to one person early in and if he doesn't win you will scream and yell and cry.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

powin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:57:55 GMT

As of July 1, 2007, 1,449,634 persons reside in Philadelphia. 43.2% of Philadelphians are African-American (626,242 persons). About 93% of these 626,242 African-American Philadelphians voted for Senator Obama (582,405 votes) or 56% of 1,042,573 votes for Obama in last night’s election. Of these voters for Senator Obama, nearly 100% reported that race was not an issue in voting for him. Therefore, the mayor and Governor had little or no effect in the outcome of the largest city in PA.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

xeyeldinTX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:17:55 GMT

How come the question hasn't been asked as to how many of those newly minted Dems in PA were actually Rush conversions who will revert to being Republican in the fall? I am in Texas and I know a lot of Republicans who voted here as Democrats in the primary. They won't be voting that way in November. These numbers are very questionable? Are the outcomes?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

olderwiser — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:24:33 GMT

The republicans are watering at the mouth to have Hillary win the nomination. They have built a fortress against her chances in November for some years now, knowing that no one else loomed to take her place. They are deathly afraid of Obama, who came out of nowhere to look presidential and is twice as effective as Hillary, and more than twice as effective of accumulating a war chest of donations than either Mc Cain or Hillary put together. They have now been stuck with an old man for a candidate who can beat Hillary, but can't collect enough money to pay the light and gas bill, and doesn't stand a chance against Obama. They still see light at the end of the tunnel, though, as Hillary and Bill think up all of the things that they need to throw at Obama for the real race. The more that she tries to tear him down, the better that they like it. The TV medium likes it, too. The ads get tremendous exposure while this family spat goes on and they are cleaning up with the large audience. As soon as one of them finally puts the other out of commission, the viewership will drop and their revenues will go down the toilet until close to November. This is America. Viva America. No other place like it.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Cantabrigian — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:39:23 GMT

Sunday morning's, (4/20) "Classic Roundtable," with ABC's Cokie Roberts, Sam Donaldson and George Will examined Obama's nonsensical rhetoric. According to Cokie Roberts, Obama's anti-establishment rhetoric to "clean-up" Washington establishment makes no sense, because OBAMA wants to be the KING of the establishment. Besides, Washington works in the manner that it does because of the checks and balances that were set up by our founding fathers. According to George Will, Obama's economic plan to tax the middle class who are making $100,000 to 200,000, is poor public policy, sheer folly that will impact upon school teachers, policemen and blue collar workers. Will claims Obama has no clue about what he is talking about when it comes to economic policy. The campaign media are deaf to Obama's distorted message, because they want to continue hammering, and hammering away at Senator Hillary Clinton who wants to talk about the economy and changing Bush's policies. The word that best describes this is misogyny. Look at history - no voting - no owning land - the property of men (father or husband) - not allowed to attend schools - lower wages - not allowed to attend universities. Folks, women have a long way to go, but Senator Hillary Clinton is one woman who has the strength, the experience and the intelligence to bat that moon bat into the corner!

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

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re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

cecibell — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:55:40 GMT

Write Obama's Name on Ballot if Clinton Steals Nomination

If Hillary Clinton steals the Democratic nomination from Obama, I will not vote for her or John McCain. I feel strongly about voting because people died so that we could have the right to vote; however, I cannot in good conscience vote for Clinton or McCain. Early during the primary season, I was okay with Clinton or Obama winning; however, the prolonged fight, increased negativity, and dirty tactics have soured my opinion of Hillary Clinton.

I don’t trust her now, so how can I trust her as president? I’m a registered Democrat. I used to be an Independent until I realized in Florida you had to belong to a particular party to participate in primaries. Her kitchen sink strategy and determination to muddy Barack Obama beyond repair for the General Election is too much.

If Clinton “steals” the nomination and you plan on staying home or writing Obama’s name in on the ballot, please sign this guestbook so that the media, pundits, voters, and superdelegates realize that the media spin and polling is not always accurate and can be skewed.

-Ceci Bell of Florida

http://gbook.dvercity.net/

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

herfan — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:49:30 GMT

IT'S TIME AMERICA:

It’s time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have defeated her. And proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources. In all honesty. I felt some of that too.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say’s that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton’s have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Thevail — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:17:46 GMT

There must be in the hearts of Obama supporters, that which lives and breathes already in the hearts of Clinton supporters.

We must have or develop a steely resolve to see this through. It is easy to be excited and enthusiastic when rhetoric is lofty and Senator Obama is winning.

It is much harder to maintain that enthusiasm and that commitment to seeing this dream of change through when our candidate is losing and the negative attacks keep rolling, first played on a channel and then picked up and played over and over by the Main Stream Media. I am sure it was hard for Clinton supporters too.

It is all too easy for us to fall into the stereotype that Clinton supporters have ready for us. That of fair weather friends, kool-aid drinkers, silly pie eyed dreamers of impossible dreams.

Remember that no matter how disheartened you are today, or may be after Kentucky, Barack Obama is still taking the brunt of this, we're just watching. He has to hear the shouted N-word, not us. He has to wake up knowing he has to give the same speech 8 times today, when he really just wants to go home to his wife and kids for a few hours.

If he can do it, and keep believing in us, then we can keep on believing in him too. We are the change we have been waiting for.

So, take a deep breath, calm down, keep thinking about the change we're trying to achieve, and realize that while it's not going to be easy, it is inevitable. And above all decide for yourself, are you a lost dreamer, or someone who can feel the strength of your dreams being made real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9ubMQX7WE&feature=related

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

verycold — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:39:43 GMT

I think if I hear the word "change" from the democrats just one more time I will throw-up. This has been a very nasty campaign between the man of "change" and the woman that is confused about sniper fire. The bottom-line is there is NO change at all just different players. Barack is no more the agent of unity than than is his pastor Wright. Maybe in theory he believes working with both parties is important for the country, but actually doing so is not in the cards. The dems think the republicans are evil and the republicans think the dems want to ruin our country by moving it closer to a socialized society WITHOUT any religion and NO guns. Of course the bad guys will have the guns, but the average citizen will have to obey the law and thus have no way to protect him/herself. All the "change" the democrats believe are important is having more entitlements and much more government to do all the governing. YIKES. Also the fact that Barack and Hillary support unions is in theory a good thing but will leave America will even fewer jobs. NO company will want to get involved with unions and still be competitive. Those companies will just close the doors. With all this fighting and mudslinging no political platform from either party has been put to any sort of test. So ask the American citizen if they wouldn't mind paying more for their healthcare and see what response you get. BTW, the polls last night in PA placed healthcare as a low priority. I believe it was around 11 percent. So therefore it must be that many of those folks already have a healthcare plan they are satisfied with.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

josh62 — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:39:06 GMT

OBAMA Spends 12 million plus in negative ads attacking Clinton and still loses LOSES BIG IN PA! by double digits!!

As a Senator Clinton supporter we will NEVER support Obama because of his lies, corrupt financial friends, racist wife, American and white hater and spiritual advisor Wright that he defends and well-known terrorist connections that also write for the bulletin at TCC Where the Obamas believe is a great atmosphere to raise two young children, he openly supports the crazy rantings of the American hate & white man hate. He is not worthy to lead our great country

Surely proved if Obama would become Democratic nominee he will certainly lose the general election: Obama's camp philosophy of his cadre amount to one big put-down of America. President represents something very personal to Americans who proved they are not in the habit of electing candidates who hold their country in contempt. Not only have the comments of Obama's wife, Michelle who referred to America as "downright mean" and stated that she was not proud of her country until her husband started winning primaries and his minister, Jeremiah Wright (whose hateful, anti-white, anti-American diatribes are available for sale in Obama's church, or for free on YouTube) revealed the tired, leftist scorn for America that Obama represents and condones. Obamas own remarks have exposed this ugly, unelectable side. Obama attempted to explain his persistent deficit in Pennsylvania primary polls by describing small-town Americans as "bitter" people who "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." This is hard stuff, and patronizing, besides. Add to this Obama's characterizations of the "typical white person" describing his grandmother, whom he tossed under the campaign bus to create a false equivalence with Wright's racism and one finds something far more damaging than a simple series of gaffes its a window into how the Obama sees his countrymen. Obama's associations in addition to Anti- American Wright, speak to this unappealing point of view. William Ayers, a domestic terrorist enjoys a friendly relationship with the Obamas. Voters are learning ( with no help from media like CNN & MSNBC, Ayers bombed the Pentagon on May 19, 1972, and fondly recalls, "The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them." Ayers and his accomplices also bombed the U.S. Capitol, the State Department, as well as banks, police stations and courthouses. Obama has defended Wright insisting that he merely represents the convention of "Black Liberation Theology," as though this were just some quaint offshoot of traditional Christianity. One need not pore over the tenets of Black Liberation Theology or its founder, James Hal Cone -- although a Google search of either would provide a world of clarity to the undecided voter to recognize that a would-be President who cannot utterly disassociate himself from such racist, anti-American rubbish lacks sufficient character and affinity for his country's ideals to be its leader. Americans understand that their president's instinct ought to be to defend the nation against unfair invective, not embrace those who purvey it or, in the case of Ayers, seek to blow it up altogether.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

TruthForward — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:18:45 GMT

Obama overcame all of Clinton's allege advantages.

-Bittergate, Rev Wright, Clinton silly ads in PA

-it's her home state (it would have been a shame to loose her home state, lol)

-Clinton name recognition

-Clinton propensity for fear mongering, and story fabrication

-PA not eleting a half black for anything in the past

-Clinton's early lead of 25 points

-Republicans voting to manipulate the Dem nomination, However, the general election will be the real thing

The Obama campaign did an Excellent job there.

Citizens, it's time to just vote for the best candidate. Vote Obama! www.barackobama.com

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

TruthForward — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:23:36 GMT

We are all closer to universal health care once Obama takes office. Closer to ending the Iraq war, because of the better credibility of Obama. Closer to fair laws, because Obama will lead Congress to be fair (and ignore hardline lobbyists) . Just think about it.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

TruthForward — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:31:26 GMT

"twin titans" lol Love this article.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

tired and old — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:37:00 GMT

HILLARY CLINTON HAS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES.

1. SHE IS BIGOT WHITE.

2. SHE LIES, MIS-SPEAKS, MIS-SPOKED, EMBELLISHES.

3. SHE CHANGES THE RULES AS GAME PROGRESSES.

4. SHE PLAYS VERY DIRTY.

5. SHE HIRES CAMPAIGN STAFF THAT HAVE NO SCRUPPLES.

6. SHE HAS USED THE RACE CARD ( JUDAS COLORED HAVE NO RESPECT ).

7. HAS CHELSEA ( 28 YEAR OLD ) THE CHILD HO-ING FOR HER.

8. SHE IS SLICKER THEN BILL.

9. SCARES OLDER WHITE WOMEN, " BLACKS ARE COMING TO GET YOU-------RUN !"

10. HAS LOTS OF DOUGH, MONEY, GREENBACKS; FROM SKIM OFF OF DONOR MONEY.

DISADVANTAGE : BILL CLINTONS BIG MOUTH.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Tafari — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:26 GMT

6 MONTHS AGO I WAS ACTUALLY UNDECIDED ABOUT HILLARY AND OBAMA, I VOTED FOR OBAMA AFTER HEARING ALL DEBATES. I FINALLY DECIDED AFTER SEEING HOW NEGATIVELY CALCULATING HILLARY CAN BE, THAT ALTHOUGH I HAVE NEVER VOTED REPUBICAN BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT, I WILL WITHOUT QUESTION VOTE MCCAIN TO LET MY VOTE COUNT AGAINST HER. MY OPINION IS THAT SHE JUST CANNOT BE TRUSTED. SHE WILL DO ANYTHING, SAY ANYTHING TO GET INTO THE WHITEHOUSE, AND THEN WHAT?

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

WA Dem — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:41:33 GMT

Tafari

You must be one of those bitter folks Obama's been talking about. It's interesting how supporters of the hope and change candidate are so filled with venom and bile. Also Obamas own statements in 2004 regarding a possible 2008 run make it clear that he himself views his experience to be less then what is required to take on the responsibilities of President. Check out Obamas own thoughts on his readiness to lead. Hope you and McCain are happy together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

WA Dem — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:52:36 GMT

Tired and Old

What ugly things come out of your mouth. Can you think of no better way to support your candidate of choice then to engage in the politics of hate. I'm not old but I am white and a woman, I'm not backing Hillary because I hate Obama because he is black. In fact its really offensive that you suggest such a thing. By the way do you lump Maya Angelou in with this group of women who are scared of black men? She just posted a letter renewing her support for Hillary. I think it's exciting that someone with his talents and background has the opportunity to run. And in 4 or 8 years when he's done a little more I'd happily vote for him. In contrast I suspect that you hold such contempt for Hillary specifically because she is a woman who doesn't know her place, In your world I suppose she leave the decisions to the men and get back to the kitchen. As for you comments about Chelsea she has every right to be proud of her mother, shame on you for suggesting otherwise.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

TruthForward — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:38 GMT

Obama gets 48% of the white woman vote.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

TruthForward — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:17:15 GMT

"Twin Titans"

Obama is a titan because of his great integrity; and ability to inspire and organize citizens. And the nobel prize types back him up.

Clinton is a titan only because she's known through her husbands former job; and she is now rich with a billionaire or two to back her up.

Two titans indeed.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

Marly911 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:05:15 GMT

It is sad that a peson would risk damaging her own party to further her own political career. Hillary does not care about the democrats or she would not risk the whole party going up in smoke. She would be classy and bow out gracefully. Maybe she is too old and realizes that this is her only chance at the nomination. With all of the "experience" she claims to have, how come she couldn't get it right when bill was in office? Maybe she is not prepared. Her kitchen sink theory is unbecoming and not a good look for a president. There should not be a dual presidency and her being a woman would never be taken serious with some foreign leaders. It would be nice to see a woman become president, just not HRC. She does not have the countries best interest at hand, only hers. If she, which I seriously doubt gets the nomination, I will vote for McCain. I have survived the current adminstration for 8 years and rather take my chances with McCain. Hillary will never get the nomination without the support of Obama's supporters. The whole democratic party has been divided due to her negative campaining. What a shame.

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

MuseOn — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:29:20 GMT

just read the following on the web/msn:

"We keep talking as if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter that Obama gets 92 percent of the black vote, because since he only got 35 percent of the white vote, he's in trouble," Clyburn said. "Well, Hillary Clinton only got 8 percent of the black vote. . . . It's almost saying black people don't matter. The only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter."

This is alarming to me, and sad – and; media created, too, as you only focus on “the difficulty of getting white blue-collar/working class voters to vote for Obama”, and putting out questions on racial motivations, even if he won “white states” - and also not balancing it with the fact that 90% of BLACK VOTERS vote for Barack Obama, and calling that a “problem”. So – you in the media are using Obama`s way and terminology on this, which creates separation: “We have a problem with white, blue collar voters and older voters”. He then, defines – without saying it directly, whites – who don`t vote for him, as “racially motivated”. And his personal idea; "we have a problem", is also creating gaps, and not pulling folks together - because the Democratic party does NOT have that "problem". It`s Obama camp created.

I guess - it`s not politically correct to ask the same question the other way around?

Hillary can`t even (and she doesn`t “blame” black voters or call them “a problem”! Just seeing it as a person`s free will!) get close to the issues, without her word being twisted! This is a couple, Bill and Hillary, who have worked for the rights of blacks in the US all their lives – and suddenly, because of this duel, they are now “racial” in their comments??

Will Hillary have to back out, because “she shouldn`t fight a black man”!??

What about her being a woman; any of this happening because of people`s conscious or unconscious perceptions and prejudice about women? Who talks about that? Or is Hillary “free target”, just because she`s tough and have been in the game for many years?

Anyone question why a young, not too experienced black man should chose to run for President exactly at the same time a woman does – as everyone knew she would, and expected to?

Pls, sisters of all races; stick together! I`ll quote a black lady in Harlem, NY: "If this time we elect a women, maybe next time, it will be a black woman!"

You have to stop this, media - please!

Take a look at Hillary`s web site - there`s an old, very wise woman there, who also happens to be Oprah Winfreys good friend and mentor; Maya Angelou – who has the capacity, among others, to break this, close the gap of what has been created by the media and Barack himself.

Pls – build bridges, and be careful and balanced in your reporting!

Best wishes for America and her people,

re: After Pennsylvania: Clinton vs. Obama

wyl5326 — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:44:47 GMT

Hill must have been a good follower of 43 that she's advocating that everybody should learn fuzzy math from the guy blamed for Iraqi mess. She's calling for new way of counting who won popular vote for now while also trying to discount votes for small states as not important. Her condescending attitude towards small states is more horrendous than what she tried to ascribe to Barack in SF with bitter remark. I don't know what kind of people her camp is trying to portray the Supers are when they are clearly trying to hoodwink them with their kind of logic. Do they think the Supers are just a bunch of school kids with the brain of ostrich ? They not only insult their intelligence, they even spit on them by scaring them to side with her.