Math vs. Mirage

re: Math vs. Mirage

Great in 08 — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:26:29 GMT

It's one thing for Clinton aides and surrogates to make the popular vote claim. We expect that spin from them.

It's something entirely different for Clinton herself to attempt to make that case on the stump. That's disingenuous. Is it any wonder a majority of Americans don't trust her?

re: Math vs. Mirage

Realbill — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:32 GMT

Obama won't be getting my senior vote. I'm a Florida democrat.

We've had all this discussion about our vote in the Florida primary, and I get the dnc rule issue even if I strongly disagree. Please help me understand, Who paid for this primary vote? Did the dnc pay for any of it? I don't think so. The dnc ruled and I hear everyone say that the candidates accepted the idea that the delegates would not be seated. But it is my belief that the dnc ruling has nothing to do with the popular vote. The dnc cannot disallow our vote as it relates to the popular vote.

That would be up to the state government, and I believe that the United States Constitution supports this argument:

Section 4 - Elections, Meetings

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.

Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 26 - Voting Age Set to 18 Years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

My vote should definitely count in the popular vote.

And, anyone who would deny this right should not be in any U.S. government office; elected or appointed. A president must support the United States Constitution. In fact senators swear to uphold the constitution, isn’t there a rule about their not doing this since its their job.

re: Math vs. Mirage

revolved — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:29:24 GMT

It's like Hillary's playing Texas Hold 'em. She gets to the river and doesn't have a winning hand. She goes "all in" but demands that a sixth and seventh card be turned over, in hopes that maybe the new cards will help give her a winning hand. Obama doesn't need or want the extra cards as that would be, you know...against the rules.

Hillary: three of a kind (three 6s)

Obama: full house (kings and queens)

Obama wins!

re: Math vs. Mirage

Jannett — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:55:14 GMT

I'm a Grandma but I'm not part of Senator Clinton's Grandma Brigade. I believe that Mrs. Clinton must not have finished school or had any schooling at all when she starts talking about how much she's ahead of Senator Obama. I really think that she's not even a good role-model for a woman, either in politics or as a mother, Grandma, etc.