Will She Stay or Will She Go?

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revolved — Wed, 07 May 2008 18:56:31 GMT

Nice 'Idol' reference, Andrew.

Barack Obama = David Achuletta

Hillary Clinton = Jason Castro

Watch tonight and see who goes home...

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cnn357 — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:21:23 GMT

Hillary will push to have the FL and MI delegates seated and continue her cry and lie strategy in hopes that she can trick the public into thinking:

A) she has the party’s best interest at heart and

B) she, and the voters are somehow being treated unfairly because the DNC decided not to count to votes of those rogue states

This will diminish Obama’s image in those two states and possibly cost him the election paving the way for Hillary in 2012.

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lbrillante — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:30:38 GMT

I just hope that the DNC rules committee recognizes that it will become laughable and untrustable in any of it's future findings if it backs out on it's previous decision. I believe that for the sake of unity Florida and Michigan Delegates should be seated 50/50 with no option to change their vote for president... but they would be able to be otherwise involved. The TAINTED elections must not be counted. It is not just about who wins... it is about the ability of candidates to trust the DNC to follow through on its decisions in the future and that they will be treated fairly. There is a great deal more than how this affects Senator Obama and Senator Clinton.

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Phong Nguyen — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:31:47 GMT

American people are fair and love a winner but also admire a tenacious fighter who does not quit!!! Let the nominee win the nomination fair and square by getting the necessary number of required delegates either through the primaries or by the decision of the superdelegates! We are a country of laws and rules! Let's play by the rules here!!! The nominee who does not support the voters of Florida and Michigan will pay in November!!! If the DNC wants to shorten the primary process, it should adopt the rules of the RNC!!!

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mjno — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:32:05 GMT

YES SHE WILL. The biggest myth is who the liar is????

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ionFwC1UUUw

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Debunked — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:40:14 GMT

Clinton--I am one of your biggest supporters and I know you are the better candidate but the fact of the matter is that you are only hurting yourself and starting to look like "Huckabee", the longer you stay in the Dem race. By no means am I suggesting for you to quit the race to the White House just graciously drop out of the Democratic Race and let the Dems have Obama and just continue your run as an independent. Just put an end to the democratic race!!!

I can not and will not financially support your campaign unless you drop out of this race. The longer this is prolonged, the longer it takes for the McCain surrogates and the 527 to begin doing what they do best!

Concede graciously and FORM YOUR OWN PARTY!!!!

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Proud Obama supporter — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:43:47 GMT

The primary should end - here's why:

Go ahead and give HRC the votes and delegates she "won" in Florida and Michigan; then give her the rest of the states with must-wins of at least 60% in each primary. After the counting is finished, Obama will still lead her in the popular vote and elected delegates. There is no reason to go on.

Also, consider the amount of money being spent to continue this campaign on both sides - about $1 million a day for each candidate - and that's just to keep them on the road. Then the ads have to be bought in every state left - a few more million. HRC is already in the hole and even though Obama has plenty of money to go on, it's money that could be put to better use. If HRC wants to continue to fight, then she should foot the bill for Obama to go on.

It's over - let's turn the page already!!!

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Johnny1967 — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:44:49 GMT

Shes done a lot for this country. Let her run her heart out.

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StormAZ100 — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:49:22 GMT

If she continues one has to start wondering if she's deliberately out to harm the party and Obama. What is the purpose in continuing? What is to be gained? The next couple of weeks should be very interesting.

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debbiemcc — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:50:29 GMT

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debbiemcc — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:52:02 GMT

She'll go by being dragged out like in the SNL skit. I don't believe her family is allowing her to spend all of that money. 11.4 million. There are some things you can't buy. Real love and an election (I hope). I don't believe that the DNC and superdelegates are such wimps that they won't speak up for whom they support. A real leader will do what's best for the party and the country, not for themselves. DId you notice how CNN pacified Lanny last night. I know they wanted to laugh. He was like a hysterical child, ranting, having a temper tandrum. I think the whole Clinton campaign needs thearapy.

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jeffreylebowskijr — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:53:55 GMT

Debunked -- you've GOT to be kidding, right? You want her to go down in history as the Ralph Nader of 2008?

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kentony — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:54:09 GMT

Good point here. The more bloggers trash talk about their candidate's opponent the more likely that those supporters will not support the other candidate. I would say that this is part of the reason I will never vote for Obama.

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gaylep — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:00:59 GMT

I'm not saying she should drop out, because she has a right to stay until all states have voted. However, what exactly has she done for this country? I'm curious about this. Also, why would a person NOT vote for a candidate because of what bloggers say about the candidate's opponent? Are you really thinking this through, people? Don't vote with your heart. Vote with your mind. Be objective.

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Native New Yorker — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:03:26 GMT

Go Hillary Go!!!! Get out before you totally destroy the Democratic party! She is such a BS artist....an everyday person that understands the value of a dollar.....that's why she is throwing away $11.5 million on a campaign with no rewards or future. I wished I had $11.5 hanging around to throw away in this economy. Once again, Clinton Fatigue has totally encompassed this campaign. The entire family is so hubris in their attitude and sense of entitlement. I am sorry, they are in it for The Clintons, not what they can do for America.

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John In Denver — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:05:07 GMT

I'll believe that she intends to stop the swift-boat strategy when I see it. All Hill and Bill know is old school personal attack politics as usual. I honestly don't believe she and he can help themselves. They actually enjoy throwing mud to see if it will stick. If anything I expect their garbage to get worse...not better. She's a dubya in sheep's clothing in that regard!

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Crush — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:05:33 GMT

It's 3AM...

"It's 3am and the phone is ringing...

Do you know where your $11.4 million dollars is?"

OVERCONFIDENCE CARRIES A HEFTY PRICETAG.

Still, there's always Secretary of State or Governor of New York.

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Laura B. — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:08:38 GMT

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!! Did someone above me just really say that we are a country with laws and rules and that we should play by the rules? And in the VERY NEXT breath say we have to seat MI and FL??? Can you not see the hypocrisy in this statement? It is because of the RULES that EVERYONE agreed to, that those states are not being sat. Good God people...

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JustAHumanBeing — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:12:04 GMT

What makes you so sure she's doen bashing Obama? I'm sure she would if she found something to harp on. I'm sure she's hoping beyond hope she can pounce on him again on any issue that may come up. She's a fighter, and I doubt very much she would ever bow down and stop fighting.

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JustAHumanBeing — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:15:03 GMT

..,.to add, she will NEVER stop attacking Obama. They should force her out. Enough's enough!

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tiptoethruthetulips — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:19:22 GMT

gaylep "what has she done for this country"? how old are you? "vote for your mind" be objective" what? you don't even know Clinton's history. she passed her first bill on education 25 years ago. obama has to campaign for Hillary supporters. and he isn't doing that by allowing his surrogates and the media to constantly tell her to quit and laughing at her. castellanos said last night: "it's time to take the family dog to the vet". you want to know why someone would not vote for a candidate? how about glenn beck calling her: "It"? ferraro's gone but beck went on no problem. chris matthews said she only won her senate seat because of Bill. and what needs be said about olbermann? can you imagine someone calling obama "It" or saying it's time to take him behind the barn? her supporters are pissed and getting more pissed everday. 50% said they wouldnt vote for obama up from 1/3 in PA. it's up to him to actually be what he says he is: above the fray. he needs to stop the alienation. who's Hillary alienating? think about it. obama also has to take into account the number of Hillary supporters who will write her in on the ballot. stop talking about the black vote and start talking about Hillary supporters. Hillary and Bill campaigned for McGovern and he didn't even have the common decency to give her 24 hours. it's appalling. you've seen the change in her demeanor - now show some kindness. as if.

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Crush — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:20:22 GMT

I believe even Machiavelli would advise Mrs. Clinton to try the "Graceful Exit" strategy.

Just ask John Edwards or Bill Richards. Sometimes there's more to be gained by stepping aside at the right time than charging forward against all odds.

“The virtue of achievement is victory over oneself. Those who know this can never know defeat.”

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Incubus67 — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:22:34 GMT

President Barack Obama. Get used to it people.

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Emanuel — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:28:17 GMT

"If we had used Republican election rules, I would have easily been the nominee"

- HRC

***crickets***crickets***crickets***

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RBEmond — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:30:08 GMT

Hillary can't admit defeat. Maybe she's hoping for some deus ex machina to save her. She's in denial It's over!

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tjirish34 — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:33:28 GMT

Some interesting points... Such as giving all the states a chance to vote. However... If you are going to most likely lose. What's the point in campaigning unless it's some kind of protest/issue campign such as Ralph Nader or even Ron Paul. Hillary and Obama are not that far appart on issues. Is her foot soldiers in remaining states going to really bust their a__ if they know the hand writing is on the wall? Maybe they will. But until last nite Hillary really thought she could win. Now it's a different story. Plus attacking Obama was only way she could make headway. So what is the point? BTW I noticed that she is dropping the gas tax holiday. What it didn't get her enough votes so now it is not an issue? Was it not obvious pandering? Hillary can get something out of this and champion her cause. Senate majority leader or maybe if Obama wins in November he could even assure her he would consider her as a nominee for Supreme Court if a justice spot opened up.

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fatal72ss — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:33:48 GMT

President Barack Obama X2....

from a 38 yr old white Republican male

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Mahalo — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:35:21 GMT

Well, she's a democrat, not a republican. She's also a sore loser with no grace, who won't accept reality because she's an elitist who feels entitled. She signed an agreement accepting that Michigan and Florida would not count, now she wants it counted to work in her "favor," but if the tables were turned, an agreement would be an agreement. When will the woman just stop, breathe and accept the reality of life and the will of the people, not the will of her and her husband? Get a grip, stop being nasty, stop lying, and stop trying to manipulate the plain truth - you are not the nominee. Finally, show that you have one ounce of truth and dignity and step down. This is just beyond ugly and it's like watching an injured animal in pain. Only you refuse to be put down. Do you not have any brain cells left? Do you truly not care about anyone other than yourself? If you did, you would have stopped. If you used Reblicans as an example, you would have given up the fight like the others did. Hillary, you are not the nominee. Accept it and move on. You will not be the first woman president. You will not be president, ever. Accept it. Go retire, pay back the millions you have borrowed from your campaign, and move on. Senate is your final step. It's okay. It's enough.

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biztraumer — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:35:55 GMT

Hillary and John McBush represent the same old tired Washington devisive nasty politics. Aren't you folks sick of that crap yet? The Clintons are mostly reponsilble for NAFTA and we are now saying bye-bye to our American jobs. The Clintons are also responsible for allowing the monopolization of media - thanks to the Clintons the media (which is 99% right wing) will be totally owned and controlled by 2 or 3 people, namely that right wing nutjob Rupert Murdoch. Wake up people, The "Clintons" are OVER, and McBush is just as bad (maybe worse, since he's known by his own party as a hothead!) as George Bush. A vote for McCain is a a vote to extend the misery that has been the last eight years. Wake up folks, the fat lady has sung. Mr. Obama is the ONE!! Go Obama Go!

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kamakiriad — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:43:54 GMT

The best possible solution would be for Obama to promise Hillary the next Supreme Court Justice seat, which should be Stevens and available the day after Obama's inaguration. In addition, Obama could offer the VP seat to a staunch Hillary supporter like Wesley Clark. I think if he offered a deal like that to her, she could step out with dignity.

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csfoster — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:47:02 GMT

The Fat Lady has sung. The results of last night's elections in North Carolina and Indiana was in effective Senator Clinton's last stanza in her bid for a plausible claim to emerging as the Democratic Nominee. It is not going to happen unless Senator Obama completely implodes as a result of a controversy greater than Reverend Wright. And that is very hard to imagine.

So in effect, Senator Clinton now has two choices.....she can take the high road or the low road.

Contrary to what many may believe, I believe that, with less than a month to go and in honor of her supporters, her high road will be to compete in the last six primaries and do so focusing on critical issues without going no where near negative on Senator Obama. Her purpose will be to help build the democratic party turnout in the remaining primaries and to start letting her supporters know across the board that regardless of who the Democratic Nominee is, at the end of the primary season they will all get behind that nominee to insure that Senator McCain does not win in November.

And very soon after the end of the primary season, Senator Clinton will gracefully recognize Senator Obama as the presumptive Democratic Party Nominee based on the pledged delegate count of the primaries and the fact that the majority of the superdelegates will have publicly made their choice of Senator Obama known. Incidentally, I believe the remaining issue of seating the delegates of Michigan and Florida will be resolved by awarding 50% of the Michigan delegates to both candidates and dividing the Florida delegates on the basis of the votes cast. At that point, the 2,209 delegate threshold will have been crossed by Senator Obama and Senator Clinton will follow through with her pledge to work hard on behalf of Senator Obama and uniting the Democratic Party to ensure that a democrat is elected as our new president in November.

Senator Clinton will respectively decline Senator Obama's invitation to run on his ticket as the VP and perhaps instead accept an invitation to serve as the new administration's Secretary of Health and Human Services for the purpose of implementing Universal Health Care thus adding to her legacy.

She will be taking the low road by doing anything else than the above.

I believe Senator Clinton will take the high road because any other road will ruin her and President Clinton's legacy which at this moment is still held in high regard.

Meanwhile, Senator Obama will also take the high road by continuing to reach out to Reagan Democrats and focusing on Senator McCain in preparation for the November election.

Taking the High Road!

Caryl S. Foster

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Mahalo — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:47:58 GMT

Another point - how is this ever a "race" issue with Obama??? First of all, we are all human, from the same species, so race should never, ever ben an "issue" at all. Second, for Hillary Clinton to make it such an "issue" as she's done so well, is B.S. Obama is 1/2 white, 1/2 black. Kind of ironic that people who want to make it such an "issue" focus only on 1/2 of him. Really pathetic when you stop to think about it, isn't it, and shows how low this country is. She's picking on 1/2 of him. Pretty petty, isn't it? Also, technically, Hillary is a minority as well (hate the term myself) - as a woman. But, she will sling whatever she can just to STEAL and MANIPULATE people who are willing to lower their human standards. Yes, everyone, we are, in the end, all human. When you die, go to the pearly gates, do you seriously think that it's going to matter whether you were 1/2 of this, all of that? God will remind you - he made all of us and we were all human. But in the end, were were all the same. So judging by the cover, well, just shows us all how shallow Hillary Clinton is, as well as the people who fall for this crap in life. And when she is this shallow, do you seriously think she cares about YOUR mortgage, the price YOU are paying for gas, YOUR loss of job? Well, only if you are 100% like her - making $109 million a year and a personal friend with the title superdelegete -Ann, a/k/a Mahalo

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tjirish34 — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:49:35 GMT

Yes Hillary has done things for the country and i thought debunked started out with a good post how she should drop out. Then debunked says she should run as a 3rd party candidate. HUH? Ya know what debunked Obama is the one who could have made that threat. he actually has the things Hillary doesn't A) He has lots of money to form a 3rd party. B) he has new registered educated young voters eager to help him.C) he could take the entire african american voting bloc with him. D) His message about change fits right into a new 3rd party platform. Hillary would not take all the women with her. She has no money and most of her voters are older. It takes time and effort plus cash form a new party. I think Obamaa could have pulled it off. BUT he is a good Democrat and never made that threat. As for all these voters saying they won't vote for Obama? I am a man but most women who are DEMS are likely pro choice agreed? Not all but alot. So your going to vote for a GOP nominee who is opposed to pro choice platform? Someone who at this point could nominate more supreme court justices that could overturn Roe/Wade? I mean really think about what you are saying when you say you will vote for McCain.

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slabcat311 — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:55:20 GMT

Mike Gravel, Ron Paul, and Hillary Clinton.....all hanging in the race.

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kpetz — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:58:34 GMT

I just have to believe she wans SOMETHING out of this. VP slot? Maybe. He'd be crazy to pick her; there are many others who offer Obama more toward his goal of winning the general than she can.

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tjirish34 — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:05:09 GMT

kpetz I want Chuck hagel as obama's nominee. Think about it. He is retiring. Ex GOP Senator with as much military/defense credentials as McCain. Also plays into Obam's working across party lines message. Hagel was also the first GOP congressman to vocally oppose the startegy in Iraq war and wants us out of Iraq.

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newsviews — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:07:59 GMT

This is very much a race vs gender issue. Over 90% of African American voters voted for Barack Obama. Does anyone really think that is a coincidence? Over 90%???. Of course, every American is entitled to vote their preference, but don't try to pass this off as NOT a race issue. HIllary should stay in the race until EVERY vote is counted. This includes Florida and Michigan, exactly as they voted. Also, the superdelegates should take a long, hard look at whom will make the stronger candidate in the fall. I know it's not chic to be an older voter, as I am, but I have faithfully voted each primary and general election, even in the dark years when Democrats were in the hopeless minority. November is going to be rough. The Republicans will use every trick in the book, and some not yet seen by the country. And I wish the press would stop saying that the superdelegates will "steal" the nomination from Barack Obama if they go Hillary's way. If they can't vote differently than the electorate, then John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Bob Casey and Bill Richardson (among others) sould be in Hillary's column. The Democratic primaries are not conducted in the same way tha the Republican primaries are. (Winner take all) The general election IS winner take all, so be prepared to see a different dynamic in the General Election.

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Tampa Tom — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:12:30 GMT

She wants Obama to lose to McCain so she can be the 2012 nominee. Puer and simple!

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Tampa Tom — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:17:39 GMT

Isn't interesting that Hillary supported the DNC's decision to strip Florida & Michigan of their delegates, but now ---gee, I wonder why???--- she doesn't want them "disenfranchised." Never mind that neither campaigned in Florida and that Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan.

But now some say that those results should count... What utter gall!!! Of course, if Obama had won both states they would still be making that argument... yeah, right!

The rules do not apply to the Clintons!

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wildlifeusa — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:19:01 GMT

I just cannot wait to see barack Obama in the white house!

The neocons need a big slap in the face for all the evils they have done for the past 8 years! I have never been so exited about an election.

go Barack go!

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TexasFemale — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:30:07 GMT

Hillary cannot afford to drop out - remember, she is campaigning for 2012 and to support McCain for the 2008 nomination. If she drops out, she loses her campaign opportunity.

Poor pitiful us for allowing this catastrophe.

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elicatlover — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:34:28 GMT

How many Clinton supporters would vote for her in November if she ran as an independent? I'd rather do that than vote for McCain. And I'd rather vote for McCain than ever vote for the beast Obama.

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"Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:42:10 GMT

A "GRAND BARGAIN" ... FOR DEMOCRATIC VICTORY!!!

It is clear, with even Hillary's campaign is coming to the rational conclusion that she cannot win, that uniting the Democratic Party around Barack Obama is imperative.

Here is a solution that allows everyone to take something from the table, which is what it is going to take for the Party to begin the healing process.

A deal should be struck whereby Hillary agrees to withdraw from the race, and Obama agrees to let most of the Florida and Michigan delegations be seated at the convention.

Hillary could then claim a victory of sorts, as making this the "price" of a dignified exit would allow her to say she is putting the Party's prospects in November above her own personal ambitions.

It would also help the Democrats win those two states in the general election.

It requires noblesse oblige from both sides.

Obama clearly has it.

And if Hillary takes the deal, it would do a lot for her to begin restoring a family legacy that this ugly campaign, and especially Bill Clinton's role in it, has so tarnished.

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Saltydog_0 — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:53:42 GMT

So Hillary, what's it going to be? Are you with us or against us? The day everyone said was coming has come. You have lost. Now what? It's your move. Do you support your party or only your own interests? Act. Don't speak. Words are meaningless.

The whole world is watching Hillary. Will she throw a tantrum? Will she burn down the house since she wasn't handed the keys? Will she stand by as Solomon divides the baby in two?

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elicatlover — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:54:22 GMT

Racism has nothing to do with refusing to vote for Obama. He's unfit to be president. He's weak, corrupt, a liar, and a racist himself. If he was white, he would still be unfit. And no, I don't vote for political ideology, I vote for the person. Obama will never be that person.

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wothe — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:55:50 GMT

I think Mrs. Clinton will win. It's very hard for me to imagine anyone voting for Obama and I am talking about Rev. Wright. He has never denounced him and I'm sure he'll be some kind of advisor.

To me anyone voting for Obama is simply a vote for McCain. A lot can happen between now and November and even more until Jan, 20th 2009.

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GregHere — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:02:45 GMT

........................................This comment by Hal seems strange when he talks about a choice being racial by a non black person when during State Primaries blacks choose Obama with more than 90% of their vote. Blacks choosing a black is then considered a wonderful thing and a great exercise in their citizenship, to vote for a white against Obama would be some type of turncoat act.

Hillary and Bill gave up much in the areas of time and effort to help blacks advance in the past twenty years only to see blacks shun them to support a black primarily because he is black.....not too cool at all!!!

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elicatlover — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:31:42 GMT

HAL: How do you know that no black person has said that they'll vote for McCain if Obama doesn't win? I've seen plenty of comments, on several different sites, where Obama supporters have said exactly that and none of them stated their race. Are you psychic? You know their race without being told? Please, stop with the political b. s. We're not talking about personality, we're talking about CHARACTER, which isn't remotely the same thing. And we're talking about ability, which he doesn't have. Obama is dangerous. Just look at his associates. Look at his weak performances when he's directly confronted. Look at his dishonesty. His political ideology means nothing, because he's all talk and no action. He's a hypocrite. He's a nightmare. McCain is the lesser of two evils. That means that Obama is the GREATER of two evils. That's why we won't vote for him. I won't vote for him even if Clinton comes out in his support.

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GregHere — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:31:44 GMT

..........................................What the blacks are saying on television is not that they are going to vote for McCain if Obama is not the Democratic Party Nominee.............what they are saying is if it is not Obama then they will have to think about just not voting period!!! Isn't this what Michelle Obama said a few months ago??? The blacks get what they want or they will not participate, this is a racial solidarity plan and not political ideology..

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gata1296 — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:49:44 GMT

i can't continue reading this..too much bigotry.

obama never excluded any particular group of people. Please provide proof of where he ask for a black vote or suggest HRC is incapable of capturing the black vote. On the contrary, he includes everyone in his message of hope. You want to see blatant polarization? Compare Obama's very colorful rallies to HRC's lily white gatherings. The true face of change is colorful and tolerant not lily white and you bigots have the audacity to question why almost 100% of AA are sprinting towards Obama? HRC and her surrogates remind AA of their blacksness. Her argument of electiblity is centered around the fact that Obama is black, therefore he wont connect with rural whities. She is white and cannot get a fraction of the AA vote but never mind that--the darkies will fall in line like they always did back in slavery days.. For crying out loud, Obama would have never succeeded without a sizable vote from all colorlines. Blacks are not the majority here. He is winning white votes quite handedly. It is comforting to know that only HRC supporters have such a skewed view of equality.

The AA are willingly casting their support for him b/c they feel slighted at HRC' and her surrogates' handling of them. HRC and her surrogates keep crying reverse racism, but they are not acknowleging what led to it. For the record, HRC has made ZERO effort to reach out to AAs. The longer HRC and her very ignorant supporters continue to alienate AAs, the more likely that she and her hubby would have damaged their CLINTON brand for ever!

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powin — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:52:39 GMT

Brimming with unabashed arrogance and a numerical argument that is clearly flawed, Senator Clinton has been asked to withdraw regardless that it has been repeatedly said that neither candidate can accrue enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. That "Clinton and Obama remain statistically tied with John McCain in matchups" further repudiates Leahy's rationale, arguments rife with cynicism, Richardson's hubris, and Ms. Pelosi's posturing which is helping the GOP exponentially, it's sad. Silence can be a good thing, especially if it's Floridians who truly need to be silenced. CA, FL, MI, PA, OH, MA, NY are a must........and, although I like Obama, he hasn't won the most critical blue states....

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powin — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:53:25 GMT

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Iamnotamused — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:01:16 GMT

I hear people say that if the Democrats did like the Republicans in the winner take all that HRC would have been the nominee...Emanuel I have to agree with you in that, no, she wouldn't. Of the primaries that have been held, she's only won less than 1/2 of them and each time she wins, the lead is by a VERY narrow margin.

I think she should bow out gracefully and let it go. Just let it go. He's ahead in every concievable way and she won't give up the ghost.

The sad thing is that Sen. Obama picked up FIVE more superdelegates today and one of her mentors told her to give it up!!!! What does she need to see??? The hand of God write it in the sand for her???

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gata1296 — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:03:03 GMT

I urge every silly HRC supporter who happens to be mainly white women-the group that is mainly PRO-CHOICE to really think about what they are doing when they cast the vote for McCain.

Obama needs your vote to put him over the top, but less so than HRC need his supporters to put her over the top. Obama has independents (excited about this new change), AA (solid democratic base who always cast their support towards all Dem candidates), some Republicans (who are fed up with Bush politics), young voters (large large group who is open-mined and visionary like OBAMA), and educated whites, mainly males and potpourri supporters (hispanics, other foreigners who are drawn to his message of unity).

HRC has uneducated rural whites who tend to vote against their economic interest anyway b/c they fall for the Republican ruse every time, hispanic ( who are large in number but have relatively no real effect on elections due to legality issues), older white women (solid dem base).

We need them all to successfully make it, but to risk all that Obama brought in for a group who may abandon us in November anyway isn't smart.

Education really makes a difference bc Obama supporters are looking at the big picture. They do not want another 4 years of Bush policies and for the reason if HRC steals the election the majority will hold their nose and cast that vote for her. HRC has awaken the worst among us-the bigots. They cannot and will not cast that vote for a black man. To them I say, it is ok. We pray there is enough of educated, open-minded voters out there to drown out the bigots. So far so great!

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olderwiser — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:14:49 GMT

At least in boxing the referee stops the fight before the one on the ropes with her hands down at her side is knocked out and possibly maimed. The fighter always thinks that she can get her breath and come back, but if the handler in the corner is too dull to throw in the towel, the referee takes charge. This is starting to look cruel.

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bella12 — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:24:28 GMT

WELCOME

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elicatlover — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:29:32 GMT

So, white women who support Clinton are "silly?" Sexist much? Commentors like you are exactly why we need a strong, smart woman like Clinton in our country's highest office. Now, get this, if you can manage it through your thick, sexist, Obama-worshiping head: WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE SILLY, BUT BECAUSE HE IS UNFIT. If you can't see that basic fact, it's because you don't want to see it. We don't owe the Democratic Party any loyalty, because they haven't shown us any loyalty. If they pick Obama as their candidate, they deserve whatever happens to them. McCain is the lesser of two evils, by far.

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xeyeldinTX — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:34:18 GMT

For those of you eager to vote for J. McCain because your own candidate won't get the nomination I hope you do not have young children. With John McCain we will most certainly have to reinstitute the draft. There is just no way around this. Afghanistan is beginning to come to a boil. Iraq is still not manageable. We are still over committed around the world. And McCain is far more committed to war than he is to peace. I am 100% those who want to volunteer to serve this country. I am however not interested even remotely in a draft. People we all need to think carefully about what we are planning to do with our very precious votes come November.

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bella12 — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:39:47 GMT

JOHN HAGEE MCCAIN, IT'S GOT A NICE RING TO IT, DON'T YOU THINK.

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CalexanderJ — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:49:50 GMT

A couple things elicatlover, 1. the Democratic Party didn't pick Obama, the voters have. There's a very real possiblity if Hillary had run a better campaign, she'd be in a better position. The fault is hers not the Democratic Party

2. You are obviously welcome to your opinion that he is unfit, however I would like to point out that Obama currently has more endorsements from elected senators (the people who have worked with both him and Hillary), and governors (people who know what it takes to govern) than Hillary does. So I'll take their opinion over yours.

3. You completely missed the point of supreme court appointments. McCain will undoubtably pick conservative judges, whereas Obama's appointments would be more similar to Hillary's. These judges serve for life. Further Obama and Clinton are more similar in their domestic and foreign policies views than Clinton and McCain, so you might want to rethink McCain being the lesser of two evils.

3. Zorule, calm down, nobody wants to take your guns. I would suggest you do a little research on Obama's and Hillary's positions on this issue, I think you'll find that they are pretty similar. Obama has stated that he believes the second amendment confers and indvidual right to bear arms, but is in favor of states or cities having the right to enact common sense legislation for reasons of safety (i.e. registration laws). Hillary held much the same position as a New York Senators, praising the gun laws that have helped make New York City safer.

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mintchip — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:26:13 GMT

Good point about how close this race is. For some reason the pundits and supporters seem to miss this point. Hillary is no Huckabee, but for some reason she has been told to get out since Iowa. I'm a supporter of hers, but have no delusions about her prospects. I think as long as she is respectful (and so is he!) she should just run it through. I figure the rest of the states would like to get a chance to have their vote matter. I think the one great thing about this is that people care about voting and are getting involved.

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xeyeldinTX — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:51:17 GMT

Have a brain. Don't vote McCain!

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lisas — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:55:39 GMT

I think at some point as a candidate if you can't make a decision in the best interest of the party, it may as an elected leader be difficult to choose between self interest and the best interest of the country.. I agree with those people who think that this process has gone on far too long. There have been too many debates, too much acrimony . The Democrats are canabalizing their own best prospect. I think the Clintons may be McCain's best stategist. When they atr done, Republicans won't have much work to do.

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benluclar — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:27:27 GMT

I do not believe the hype over Obama is anything other than one half of his followers believing in entitlement and just dues and the other half don't think at all, just follow.

Hillary to McCain for me.

Prejudice? Nope. Competency, folks.

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:38:30 GMT

Well, if you're criteria includes competency, I think you'd have to agree that Obama has run a masterful campaign, from his branding, his communications skills, his financial management and campaign office network, he has old Hillary and McCain BOTH beat by MILES.

He's obviously a cut or two above the rest, and so what if he has a bigot for an ex-pastor. Sounds like if Hillary's supporters aren't full of sour grapes, at least half of them seem like big time bigots.

And don't even get me started about Elitist. I might get "bitter"! ;-)

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:46:39 GMT

I think Hillary has lately hit her stride (culminating in PA) but due to poor advice from the outset, mismanagement of funds (in the likelihood that she would be the winner at a much earlier stage), and the baggage she still seems to carry despite many years in the limelight (or maybe just the challenges she faces with building relationships in Congress, or whatever)...she has just not been able to clearly pull away from Obama in these races.

I think the Obama campaign should negotiate a deal with her to pay off all or some of her debt if she'll get out of the race now, though they may not need to do this by May 20, if everything goes as expected. I think she should only give up if she can negotiate a really plum position in the new Administration (question is, is she a Republican or a Democrat? No, I jest)... She could be a fabulous Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, for example, or possibly the VP, or perhaps she has a few ideas of her own. But she should not give up without gaining something. Nor should Obama's camp or anyone make her give up unless she wants to. I bet paying off her debt would seem pretty attractive at some point, though, if Obama were to offer to do that. I don't think he should extend the offer unless she agrees to pull out - she's only helping McCain anyhow.

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:04:15 GMT

In answer to the headline of this article, Andrew, I wish she'd go - she is just hurting the party and helping McCain. But if she and Obama's camp could negotiate something about the Florida and Michigan situation, and maybe throw in some way to help her out with her debt, as long as she gets out soon... that could be a big help. I do not understand why the Clintons want to be in the White House for four more years anyhow. Seems they have suffered enough scrutiny and fishbowl lifestyle, and maybe they should be a bit more private and get back to some semblance of normalcy now that she is losing.

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Thevail — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:15:03 GMT

She'll stay in, and that's her right.

He'll win and he's earned it.

Alternately, she lost it..I mean if he has no experience and he's naive, and he's so silly..how the heck bad is she if he's beating her???

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brian.reach — Thu, 08 May 2008 03:00:51 GMT

Believe it or not, last night just showed, again, how racist Obama's support is.

And how biased the media is

She cut his lead in half in NC, and her demographic support widened. Obama just had a gigantic black turnout that, in states like NC, eclipsed the rest of the Democrats in those states.

They'll still go red, and it's winner take all in November

And, after being told that "your race would be defeated by the blacks just like like the civil war," I officially became a Hillary or McCain voted, as did all the other people I know in VA. So much for turning us blue. Obama's ruined our party, and this is going to set the civil rights movement so far back.

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Shadoe01 — Thu, 08 May 2008 03:59:13 GMT

I think some people are going to be real surprised when a lot of Hillary supporters actually do not vote for Obama. You either like him or you don't and there are a lot of people who don't including several states who are really upset that he considers their votes useless. I am tired of hearing about rules, when the people (voters) did not make the rules nor did they agree to them. This is a problem which will be fixed shortly. When he said he did not believe that the Democrats would do that to him, I had the best laugh I have had in a long time. Yeah, he is in for a surprise!

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GreatDane — Thu, 08 May 2008 07:51:48 GMT

Brian..."last night showed...how racist Obama's support is"....that's been obvious for weeks.

Those of you who are anticipating an Obama presidency need to be doing some reading on the functioning of socialist societies. It ain't what you're thinking. You probably need to keep your Bush hatred at a high simmer, because you're going to need a lot of energy to get you through what happens if Obama succeeds in implementing some of the stuff he has said he's for.

The hate America crowd will have greater influence if we end up with a president whose wife serves as their social director/recruiter. America will never again be what it has always been. Obama uses the word "America" as a campaigning device, not as a noun referring to his country. Yesterday for the very first time, I saw news footage in which he yelled out, "I love this country." You might want to consider why it is necessary for him to say that. I don't belief he was over run by emotion.

Say what you want about John McCain. I don't need to hear him say he loves this country. I've known for 30 years he loves this country. Do you even KNOW why his arms can't raise to the normal "high V" campaigning position that is normal?

And, having said that, I will also tell you that I, as a lifelong conservative, will not be voting for John McCain in the fall. He's a RINO. I'll be voting against Obama.

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ToadTreeHugger — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:33:42 GMT

Thanks to the pundits premature coronation of Obama, he's at home resting, while Hillary's out campaigning. She will do very well indeed in West Virginia, where the demographics look exceptionally good. The pundits are only looking at the results from a "racially lopsided primary" in NC. They aren't even looking at the exit poll results, which show Obama losing blue-collar, rural, white men, white women, and older voters in droves. All I can say is Wow. McGovern, who lost the '72 election in a landslide, now endorses Obama, a similarly weak candidate. It is ironic and amusing, and a serious bad omen for the Dems in November.

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metzlerd — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:41:03 GMT

benuclar,

The "hype over Obama" isn't entitlement. How can you feel entitled to something that you were never supposed to be able to win in the first place. Entitlement is when you feel that it's your turn; that somehow you are just owed something. Hillary is the one that was supposed to just come in and have it handed to her.

The "hype over Obama" isn't just blind following either. Why would someone blindly follow an unknown?

The "hype over Obama" is a simple desire to take back the country; to fix the problems that have gone ignored for so many years. While Clinton did some good in the 90's, he also did some bad. He managed to balance the budget and that was a good thing, but he also managed to help lose a huge number of democratic seats in the house. The result was 8 years of Bush.

It isn't just that the Democrats lost. It's what happened to the economy as a result. The rise in gas prices and the mortgage crisis can be traced back to the year 2000 when Bush took office. The Iraq war can be traced back to Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

During this campaign Obama has taken a beating on false allegations. Many of these came directly from the Clintons. The gas tax holiday is an example of dishonesty from the Clintons. The Rezko allegation was an example of dishonesty the Clintons. The NAFTA/Canada allegation was either dishonesty or a mistake which was never owned up to by the Clintons. They will be defendents in court shortly after November on charges of campaign finance abuses from back in the 2000 Senate run.

Some people may just blindly ignore all of that. But others look at it and see that Obama doesn't really have all of the negatives that the Clintons would have you believe. He isn't perfect, but he talks the talk and he walks the walk. While some like to say he has no solutions, they are clearly there in as much detail as any of Hillary's solutions, and they are largely similar to Hillary's solutions. The differences are on the war, and the way politics should work. In my mind he wins on both of those counts.

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Karenn1 — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:12:43 GMT

This fall election is about a Democrat vs. Republican.Jobs and no jobs,health care and no health care. 100 year war or start to bring the troops home.Keep the same crap going or flushed it down.Vote your pocket book or vote for china relief economy. Vote smart or stay dumb.If your afraid of the future nothing gets done. Corp. america will see to that. Warehouse job will be it.G I Bill or no G I Bill. V A Health care or B S health care. College bound or B S bound.Thats the choice No experiance in bombing people or experiance in bombing people.

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Karenn1 — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:12:44 GMT

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Roger700 — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:36:40 GMT

Clinton's people really are the masters of spin. They portray Clinton, who has enough money to lend her campaign $11 million, as being able to relate to blue collar workers. They portray Obama, who who worked in a steel mill when he was young and whose mother had to use foodstamps, as "elitist".

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:37:35 GMT

Hillary needs to get out of the race - she'd be unremittant at this stage if it were winning and Obama trying to play catchup. She has shown her true colors, and I think is actually working on being McCain's VP - she's more Republican than Democrat.

Hillary, if you can't take the heat, get out of the Democratic Party. Your tactics are old-school and your grinning, backstabbing ways will ensure you lose - along with that dopey old McCain. Why don't you team up with him? You both are already on the same page anyway.

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benluclar — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:41:54 GMT

metzlerd,

Actually, in all honesty, I have to say you make a pretty good assessment of the whole picture.

You did not try to offend me or tell me I came from a swamp, can't read, etc., as others have done the last few days. People are very mean I see.

I've been accused of being an illiterate, a moron, a racist, and, above all, a cigar-smoking man. Being a grandma with beliefs above all that, I admit I have been offended somewhat, but not as offended as my inability to speak what I believe with very inconsiderate and personally affronting rebukes. That upsets me. Keeping it about a topic, not personal attack, is how it should be.

But when I woke up this morning and saw your reply specifically to me with arguments I can see you believe in, I admit you have made points to consider. And I would like to thank you for your civility and calm and absence of personal attack.

America is back in some number, thank God.

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:42:04 GMT

Clinton and McCain are both old-school politicians who will say and do anything to pull down their opponent to their level: How low can you go?

Let Hillary run with McCain in this coming election. If the US elects that team, then we deserve to suffer the consequences of our own stupidity, once again.

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:44:44 GMT

I can hear Hillary pandering to the coal workers in W. Va. and KY already: I'll offer you jobs, jobs, jobs and my energy policy will ensure that we remain dependent on plenty of "clean coal"

This will all backfire in her face.

I cannot wait until May 20 when Obama will announce his victory. This is just getting ridiculous. If I see one more staged Hillary speech with her standing the back of a red pickup truck and swilling shots with the blue collar workers, I will disown her as a Democrat.

Maybe she needs to move over to the Right and run with McCain. Good riddance.

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olderwiser — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:07:27 GMT

You are the proud possessor of 109 million dollars. It accumulated faster than if you had just stepped down as CEO of Fraud, Incorporated. You can live in luxury on a small percentage of that fortune. Instead of wasting some of it on a losing political campaign, why not donate some of it to thousands of homeowners who would otherwise lose their homes to Fraud, Incorporated, or something that would do people some good. Using that money to continue to tear your political party apart is unconscionable.

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olderwiser — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:08:19 GMT

I mean, if you are going to just throw it away, why not do some good with it.

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vtcallan — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:08:24 GMT

Isn't everyone (Clinton supporters included) utterly tired of this primary? It needs to end. Superdelegates, if you're out there, you need to come out in a flood for Obama. The more that do it, the more anonymous you'll look if you're worried about voting against your districts.

I want to participate in the healing of this party but, until Clinton bows out, all of us have to wait. She will probably wait until she has won W.Va and Kentucky so she can "go out on top".

I just hope she can be womanly enough to hold up his hand at the Convention.

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abfabinri — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:11:51 GMT

She'd better stay if Dem's want to win! The Elitists have once again picked a loser(Obama) and will lose the election. I am a Hillary supporter and no way would I vote Obama...sorry but I never did support affirmative action, especially for the Presidency. The Elitists have finally got their "black" candidate but they chose one with no experience and no substance....just a bunch of speeches. Hello President McCain.

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olderwiser — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:17:49 GMT

There is the day that the lake "turns over". This is a massive movement of water in the bottom of the lake to the top of the lake, and from the top to the bottom. It is a natural phenomenon that cannot be prevented by humankind.

We are on the cusp, now, of this figuratively happening politically in our country. The top of the lake has been ruled for many years by two families of our two political parties. Some of it has really benefitted us, and that part of it that rotted from abuse of too much ill used power has harmed us.

We will soon embark on some new, yet to be determined path by people who mean good just as much as the two families who have led and ruled us for these many years.

The nation's votes are so large in number that they are similar to a lake full of water. This water has sensors that tell it when to turn things over. It is just about to do so. I love this lake and what it does.

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abfabinri — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:21:57 GMT

Why is everyone saying Hillary is tearing up party? Obama is tearing up party. He is an unqualified candidate who spent a year in Senate. Hillary has every right to stay in race for the good of the American people...fxxx the party!

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olderwiser — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:25:08 GMT

We all fish in this lake. Some have good luck and some have bad luck, and some are more skillful in catching fish than others. We are fisher folk, though, and so lucky that we have a really good lake in which to fish. Fisher folk are kind to each other. They are a club of people, in a troubled world, who found a way to be free at the lake. The rest of the world up there on the sere plain has always admired the lake and all of them who can get there jump in the cool waters and wish to stay there as long as they can. We ought to try to remember that as the lake turns over and we stay here as long as we can, lucky that our ancestors came here long ago, same as the new ones jumping into our cleansing waters.

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olderwiser — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:27:18 GMT

So, Hillary, there are simply things that you cannot force. The die is cast. The lake is turning over. Jump into the waters with us. There is still much for you to do to help.

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vtcallan — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:36:08 GMT

The HRC supporters need to ask themselves what is more important--a candidate or your country?

Womanhood will not fall to its knees if Clinton drops out of the race.

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Emanuel — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:34:16 GMT

I'm an Obama supporter who believes that Senator Clinton has the right to drop out of the race on her own terms. She is an American politician who deserves respect .

This has been an historic nomination process entirely because of the presence of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

The bickering needs to stop. There's a bigger issue at stake here, and none of us are happy with the state of the Nation. Let's come together.

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CeeDEMOCRAT — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:16:01 GMT

I am also a STRONG Obama suporter and I think its a bad idea to tell her when to quit. It is one thing to have a list of reasons why you think she should quit and its something else to tell her to just up and leave. She should be able to assess the situation and quit if she wants to or go on to the end. She has been a really strong candidate and unless a miracle happens or the super delegates smoke some pot and get numbers mixed up, she will not get the nomination, but to ask her to quit is just plain wrong.

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GWMdemocrate — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:51:41 GMT

As a HRC supporter from day one . . . maybe it would be best for her to drop out . . . then we'll see in KY and WV that Obama can't even carry a state when his opponent is not even there!

Keep going HILLARY! We'll see you again in '12 after 4 years of McBush.

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Rachelraye52 — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:54:41 GMT

Rachelraye49

I am a Democrat who thinks we had a hard decision this time. But I prefer Senator Obama. I personally think this election just doesn't effect us but the whole world. The world is watching to see what America will do this time. If he is elected I think they'll have a different view of us and stop hating on America so much. We need change and change in a big way. People keep saying it's a race thing if your for Senator Obama. I feel he's the best candidate. That doesn't mean I'm taking anything from Senator Clinton. I think she needs to come to terms and make this decision herself.

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Rachelraye52 — Thu, 08 May 2008 17:08:01 GMT

To abfabrini

Get real It's people like you that are keeping this country down with your prejudice thoughts. We've had the last 8 years with a caucasian President. And oh boy, look where that got everyybody. You are suffering at the gas pumps, in the grocery stores, and paying high utilities bills just like the rest of us. You better look at the brigher picture. And get your facts straight he's been in the Senate longer than a year. And this might surprise he has the ability to work across party lines. The Republican despise Hillary. Being the President first lady doesn't qualify you to be President. So just stop with all the racist talk.

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Dontbefooled — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:47:05 GMT

Hillary R, Clinton is an amazing woman. She has given a great fight and hopefully she will continue on and not giving up. With the superdelegates closing in for Obama I wish her luck and give her all my strength to keep going on. No one has ever kept the race so tight. I thank her for running and giving me; personally, some of her knowledge and wisdom.

HILLARY '08

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orion12 — Thu, 08 May 2008 19:18:13 GMT

Hilary Clinton will not go. She is shrewd and has this thing all planned. She wants to be president. And very badly. She initially thought that she would walk over Obama; the race factor. She felt she would use her husbands history as a likeable president to get in. She has minimized, humiliated, and tried to make him look stupid... as well as tarnishing him. She has lied, misled, claimed to hear the word of God, .. done what she felt it took to win. She has run her campaign on misinforming people that because she was the wife of a president she has so much experience. Some people have believed her. But overall she miscalculated and underestimated the intelligence, coolness, savvy and purposeful personality of Obama.

Hilary has shown that she cannot manage her campaign very well; neither the funds nor the staff. She has shown that she has bad judgement; does not know when to quit. She does not seem, like Obama, to know how to get out of touch situations. She just buries herself in, more deeply!! I used to feel that she had something special but after all these months, I see that she is just a headstrong and push person. Well, this personality will get the country into trouble, without a doubt. In life one needs to know when to STOP, reflect and make a move. That is an important characteristic of a real president. Obama has shown it over and over again.

For those of you who are underestimating Obama - be careful. America likes him. They trust him. Even those people who have a racist bent have some respect for him. Look at his performance. He is not winning because he is black. He is winning because he has a wide cross-section of the population voting for and suporting him. Hilary appears to attract older people and blue collared workers and those that did not attend college. She has played on their insecurities, fears, prejudices and feels that is the way to win. But it is divisive. But in the long term these groups will start to see the merits of backing Obama; not all of them, but some.

Hilary shoud step down and just back Obama. I however cannot see her as a vice president. She will undermine the guy. She is too ambitious to be good number two.

Meanwhile let the music play on. Let them both dance and see who people really want. It is obvious now to most people, but Hilary has not yet seen it. That is worrisome.

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Illinois Voter — Fri, 09 May 2008 04:49:06 GMT

article in the LA Times, even though Illinois ethics disclosure

forms are designed to reveal possible financial conflicts by

lawmakers, on disclosure forms for 2001 and 2002, Obama did not

specify that the company involved (EKI) provided him with the bulk

of the private-sector compensation he received. Instead, as was

his custom, he attached a multi-page list of all the law firm's

clients, which included EKI among hundreds. Illinois law does not

require more specific disclosure.

Stanley Brand, a Washington lawyer who counsels members of

Congress and others on ethics rules, said he would have advised a

lawmaker in Obama's circumstances to separately disclose such a

singularly important client and not simply include it on a list of

hundreds of firm clients, even if the law does not explicitly

require it. "I would say you should disclose that to protect and

insulate yourself against the charge that you are concealing it,"

Brand said.

Obama's tax returns show that he made no money from his law

practice in 2000, the year of his unsuccessful run for a

congressional seat. But that changed in 2001, when Obama reported

$98,158 income for providing legal services. Of that, $80,000 was

from Blackwell's company.

In 2002, the state senator reported $34,491 from legal services

and speeches. Of that, $32,000 came from the EKI legal assignment,

which ended in April 2002 by mutual agreement, as Obama ceased the

practice of law and looked ahead to the possibility of running for

the U.S. Senate. .

Obama's spokesman said that listing all clients was appropriate

and that doing so allowed the public to see any and all potential

conflicts for Obama and his law firm colleagues. "He was

especially mindful of this responsibility as a leader of ethics

reform," said Gibbs, his chief campaign spokesman.

A few months after receiving his final payment from Blackwell's

company, EKI, Obama sent a request on state Senate letterhead

urging Illinois officials to provide a $50,000 tourism promotion

grant to another Blackwell company, Killerspin.

Though Obama's formal efforts consisted of writing a letter and a

proclamation, the nitty-gritty of obtaining state grants fell to a

former state Senate and campaign aide to Obama, Dan Shomon.

Shomon, working part time for Obama's campaign and for Killerspin,

helped prepare Killerspin's initial grant application in 2002.

Still working part time with Obama, Shomon helped Killerspin

secure a $200,000 grant for its 2003 tournament and a $100,000

grant for its 2004 tournament.

Nice return on Blackwell's "investment" in Obama. So much for

Obama's sense of ethics and transparency.

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12waz — Fri, 09 May 2008 09:29:26 GMT

"it probably behooves the 51 percent of the party that supports her rival to respect the 49 percent that doesn't."

About time someone made some sense. Hillary is not the one dividing the party - it's the Obama camp, which included the DNC & MSM. It is ridiculous how they keep saying she is a racist and all the inflammatory remarks coming out of Clyburn and Brazile's "neutral" mouths. Clinton's comments in USA about "hard-working American, white Americans" were a response to Brazile's comments that blacks make up blue collar workers too. Get a grip. And Clyburn said in Jan that it would go to the convention. The more they bring up race, the more pissed off Hillary supporters get because it goes to the very core of who Hillary Clinton is and the last thing she is is racist. If the Obama camp (MSM DNC) doesn't stop with the racist crap and the continued personal attacks, Obama's gonna have more than blue-collar workers to worry about. How above the fray is a candidate who allows his opponent to continue to be painted as racist when she isn't? How much is he interested in unifying the country? He's got the black vote behind him - what is he trying to accomplish? Why is it we only heard him refer to him as biracial in his Philly race speech?

Think about the Clinton supporters in the remaining primaries that have been campaigning and will be voting for her. How pist off are they gonna be if they can't actually vote for her after working for 15 months? She deserves to have everyone who supports her get to vote for her because Obama needs the superdelegates to vote. And Obama will need their votes to win in Nov.

This is an amazing process. Presidential candidates have never campaigned in some of these areas. Think about all the voters and stop listening to the obama camp's (DNC MSM) whining. Makes you start to wonder if they really believe she CAN pull it off and all the talk about blue-collar workers and turning it into a race issue makes it seem like Obama CAN'T get their vote and all the talk about Clinton dividing the party makes it seem their thinking of an excuse should Obama lose. Clyburn has already come out and said it.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

Bingo 1908 — Fri, 09 May 2008 10:23:22 GMT

She will lose the battle and we don't want a Clinton as Vice President. The Democratic Party can winn without her even better The Democratic Party will winn over MC Cain. But no Hillary, Bill or Daughter more in the White House. Obama can winn without her because Americans do not want another Bush on this moment.

Love You all

Tony

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

07001 — Fri, 09 May 2008 21:06:41 GMT

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT....INDEPENDENT PARTY!

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

07001 — Fri, 09 May 2008 21:06:45 GMT

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT....INDEPENDENT PARTY!

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

hawk779 — Fri, 09 May 2008 22:27:03 GMT

It is over! Obama will be the nominee. We are finally going to have the changes we need. Although, I do respect Hillary as a political figure. She needs to realize that, there is no possible way for her to win. I find it absolutely rediculous that she want to have a re-vote in Florida, and Michigan. They broke the rules, and have to pay the price now. It's no big surprise that Florida screwed up anyway. They have always been the problem child of the voting process for quite awhile. You would think they would figure it out by now! Oh yeah, I forgot, another Bush is running that state. The incompetence runs in the family apparently!

Hillary is starting to remind me of a governor by the name of Christine Gregoire in Washington state that had recount after recount, after recount and went as far as looking into peoples personal lives to invalidate their vote, until she eventually stole the election. I have absolutely no respect for her at all! I think Hillary may want to just accept the results. Don't lie, cheat, and steal to win the nomination. It will not sit well with the american people. Your reputation is on the line.

For those of you Clinton supporters that say you are going to vote for McCain, go ahead............then we will just suffer another four years of the same crap that we have been dealing with for the past eight years. I will vote for a democrat, reguardless of who the nominee is. The republicans have had their chance! They have screwed everything up, and It's time for a BIG change! That change is a democrat in the white house!

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

non sense — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:33:14 GMT

hawk779

" Don't lie, cheat, and steal to win the nomination."

Obama did that in his very first election in 1996 by successfully challenging the nominating petitions of four primary rivals He had no Republican opponent. In fact in his US Senate run his opponent had to drop out and they called in Alan Keyes at the last minute. So Obama really hasn't run against the GOP machine.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,96848,print.story

[One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

In a recent interview, Obama granted that "there's a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn't create barriers to people getting on the ballot."]

Sound familiar? Obama's no high-minded, honest, trustworthy, new politician. He was born out of Chicago politics run by Arab American money. Rezko now on trial for extortion and kickbacks ($10K of which was allegedly donated to Obama which he gave to charity) was his first campaign donor and his campaign finance adviser for his 2004 US Senate run. Obama said he received donations form Rezko related donors around $60-80K. March 14, 2008 he revealed it was closer to $250K. Honest? Transparent? He said $90K was spent (but he raised $40M in a month?) and he donated $160K in four different disbursements...made when Rezko donations could be traced back to him. This week his fifth - he donated $2300 he got from the guy who bailed Rezko out of jail: Alham Alsammarae (Iraqi-American) who just happens to be wanted by Interpol for ripping off the Iraqis for $650M. There's a long convoluted story involving Auchi (an Iraqi living in the UK) , Rezko, Resko's lawyer, Dan Mehru, Frawley (Companion Security), Seamus Ahern (Obama's Moine office) and Barack Obama in regards to a building a power plant in Iraq and then flying Iraqis to Illinois to train them to be guards. All real. All facts. It's laid out here in one of the article comments.

So he's not at all who people believe him to be and he's certainly not who he says he is and this is what angers Clinton supporters. Obama supporters can't cite facts (did you know any f this about Obama?) and always make personal attacks on Clinton as the reason why they're voting for the messiah. We know more about Obama than his supporters who believe HOPE! CHANGE! NO PLANS! NO EXPERIENCE! ALL TALK AND NO ACTION! The MSM HATES Clinton and they are mesmerized by Obama. They actually let him walk away from the podium the day before the OH/TX primary without answering questions on NAFTA and Rezko. Obama said, he like answered eight questions already. Watch on You Tube.

The remaining primaries will be held and the DNC will meet on MI & FLA and unless the media actually begins to vet Obama or the Repubicans follow up on the posts in here - it's over. Hillary's not going all the way to the convention. So relax.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

celested9 — Sat, 10 May 2008 12:11:23 GMT

So the media, the DNC and the superdelegate elite decide Obama is the nominee and we VOTERS are just supposed to line up and vote for him.

SINCE WHEN?

It just amazes me how blind people are?

The guy flips off Hillary and no one reports it.

This guy is not knowledgeable and no one reports it.

This guy cannot discuss policy issues without a script and no one reports it.

This guy has a STRING of seamy, slimy associates for years and years, and no one reports it.

This guy has been elected to the Illinois State Legislature and the US Senate and IN BOTH OFFICES he performs the MINIMUM if that for his constituents, and no one reports it.

This guy has exchanged political support for political favors in the Illinois legislature (ask me for the link and I'll post it), and no one reports it.

This guy disenfranchises Michigan and Florida, and no one reports it.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I SHOULD VOTE FOR THIS MAN?

Sorry, but Obama being black and a Democrat is not enough reason to support THIS GUY.

I promise to contribute to McCain from the moment Obama is SELECTED by the special interests and continue to contribute to McCain until he wins in NOV.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

celested9 — Sat, 10 May 2008 12:15:56 GMT

hawk779

Thanks for this post and the link.

Isn't it amazing how many so called "honorable, idealistic" liberals support this sleazy fraud?

Michael Moore you will rue the day you spoke for this scumbag.

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lhrobi03@stlawu.edu — Sun, 11 May 2008 01:19:34 GMT

wow... these last 3 posts are ridiculous, given the Clintons EXTENSIVE involvement in scandals... How many more "xxxxGates" will you idiots accept from the Clintons, while throwing mud at Obama... Last I checked, he hasn't MISREMEMBERED half as much as those Clinton sleazbags

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lhrobi03@stlawu.edu — Sun, 11 May 2008 01:21:40 GMT

Oh, and Celested, Clinton also agreed to those rules, along with the rest of the Democratic party... Obama didn't single-handedly "disenfranchise" anyone.. Clinton just wants to change the rules b/c it will help her.. Are you so naive to think that if it were the other way around Hillary would allow those votes to count?

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howiefineman — Mon, 12 May 2008 09:21:41 GMT

haha the biggest haters are the ones responsible for the republicans being in office in the first place: The NOBLE SPEAKING EVER RESPECTFUL BEVERAGE CHALLENGED TEDDY KENNEDY, THE RESPECTFUL AND EVER LOYAL LOST IN A LANDSLIDE TO TRICKY DICK OF ALL PEOPLE GEORGE MCGOVERN, HAMAS LOVING JIMMY CARTER, SWIFT BOATED JOHN KERRY, JUST NOW SLITHERING OUT FROM UNDER A ROCK JOHN EDWARDS, VENGEANCE IS MINE I WILL CAST THE DECIDING VOTE AL GORE, YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAW HOWARD DEAN, ZERO DELEGATE WINNING DODD, NEVER EVEN GOT OFF THE BENCH BILL BRADLEY, FIRST SENATE LEADER IN HALF A CENTURY TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE TOM DASCHEL AND WHO THE HELL CARES BILL RICHARDSON. haha if any of these gyne envy phallically challenged MEN? had done their job this country wouldnt be in this mess. THEY are the ones responsible for BUSH. THEY are the ones responsible for the mess the Democratic Party is in. THEY are the ones responsible for knocking out Senator Clinton because BANTAMWEIGHT BARRY couldnt. Clinton has had their t*ts in a ringer for 16 MONTHS and they still havent been able to do it. hahaha and theyve got the DNC and MSM and all the obamabots helping them out. GOD BLESS AMERICA. oops i mean NO, NO, NO, GOD DAMN AMERICA OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT BY OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN SPIRITUAL ADVISOR TO OBAMA CRAZY OLD UNCLE JEREMIAH WRIGHT. Hahaha

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

Knarfie — Tue, 13 May 2008 06:19:55 GMT

Who the heck is Andrew Romano? Does he have a clue about anything than writing words?

I now have had the inconvenience of reading several of his articles (in attempting to grasp his 'point(s)') and can only conclude that he feels he needs to write something. Forget the pro/con bandwagon(s) goldmine Andrew and write something that means something.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

georgiacap25 — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:58:49 GMT

The media and the DNC have done their best to force the chauvinist down our throats. Stand up and be counted. The strongest Democratic coalition is not Blacks, whites, hispanics, or uneducated working class. It's women! We can take back our party! Write in Hillary's name if she is not the nominee!

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Conservative's View — Sun, 18 May 2008 19:46:16 GMT

Politics stage did have Two Faces, The problem is with the voters, not the politicians.No one will elect a politician who tells the unvarnished truth, then any politician willing to lie has a tremendous advantage to be elected.

Eventually even politician's who really do have the intention to do good in office, feel that they must lie in order to ever get into that office and have a chance to do any good.The Truth are Never easy and always Bitter

Then the end of the day,voters get upset because "they're all lying politicians.But they aslo forgotten"about all the lying Voters,The Actor and Dancer always tango as according to the music"

It's a ridiculous farce and a terrible self fulfilling prophecy.

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Conservative's View — Sun, 18 May 2008 19:48:05 GMT

Are your Conscience Clear Before You Vote ?Politics stage did have Two Faces, The problem is with the voters, not the politicians.No one will elect a politician who tells the unvarnished truth, then any politician willing to lie has a tremendous advantage to be elected.

Then the end of the day,voters get upset because "they're all lying politicians.But they aslo forgotten"about all the lying Voters,The Actor and Dancer always tango as according to the music"

It's a ridiculous farce and a terrible self fulfilling prophecy.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

zoooomkittie — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:28:30 GMT

Even if she was to help Obama, many voters including me will not give him the vote.

EVEN if it means the Dem will take the floor back. NO way, I will either not vote at all or toss it to a write in. Never the less, Obama isn't the person.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

mobaxter — Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:14 GMT

I will vote for OBAMA. But I wont vote for Clinton.

Let McCain do his thing.

OBAMA FOR PRES.

re: Will She Stay or Will She Go?

mobaxter — Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:20 GMT

I will vote for OBAMA. But I wont vote for Clinton.

Let McCain do his thing.

OBAMA FOR PRES.