Bush: Not Doing McCain Any Favors

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valadezaj — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:02:20 GMT

For once Bush is exactly right! The idea of talking to Iran and sitting down with dictators is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

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valadezaj — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:03:40 GMT

For once Bush is exactly right! The idea of talking to Iran and sitting down with dictators is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

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sunoverla — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:12:21 GMT

As a centrist Democarat, Bush is correct!

Barack The Great Appeaser!!

Barack The Pacifist!

take your pick.

Go McCain Go!!

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:17:22 GMT

Retired british general Michael Rose say Get out of Iraq! In this video he explained why.

http://www.charlierose.com/home

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:20:21 GMT

When are going to understand that wars won't solve problems! diplomacy does and I say to Obama good for you!

The war in Iraq is lost! one trillion dollars gone in smoke. Who do you think is going to pay for this?? YOU!

http://www.charlierose.com/home

Go Barack go!

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USA4life — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:21:41 GMT

Yeah sure, War is the answer.

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:22:35 GMT

Most of you do not understand the rest of the world! how do you know diplomacy won't work??? Of course, it is the thing to do.

Obama'08

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:25:00 GMT

You do not win the heart of the people with bombs! when are you going to understand that?

Sometime, I think you should get a taste of your own medecine. A war on the usa soil would maybe wake you up!

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pegpeg — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:30:32 GMT

Bush is such an idiot who doesn't understand the rest of the world and that is why we are in this economic mess. Just call whomever who don’t agree with our policies as terrorist and make more enemies. Guess what; in the rest of the world Bush is considered as the most dangerous leader. Yes, we need to talk to the rest of the World. Since Bush became our Pres, our government is most disliked by the World in our history. His cowboy warmongering policies have not worked.

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gadzia — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:34:55 GMT

I don't know why Bush would even bother trying to deny that he was fireing at Obama. Even Patrick Buchannon came out strongly against him on MSN (video on site). Patrick even stated that Bush has negotiated with Libyia and N Korea (guess he forgot about that). Gee even Buchannon taking Obama's side on this one???

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USA4life — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:35:47 GMT

All other countries want for the most part, it be heard..but some would rather bomb them and keep creating ememies abroad. I have traveled to alot of places, when i first begun..other countries were in "awe" of Americans..they were curious and wanted to visit here...now other countries are hating America and Americans on a very different level..due to the wars we wage all across the globe..there are wars being fought that the government is funding that dont even make it to the headlines...We have to Change our image from being a bully to a country that actually wants peace everywhere..not just selected places. We have to talk with these countries at one point or another. The atomsphere that has been created by our presidents is not helpful to America..yes, we have military might..but we also have lot more enemies

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:39:01 GMT

Obama is such an idiot. He thinks everyone is talking about him. He is mental.

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:41:43 GMT

Why would a reference to "some seem to believe...." coming from Bush affect McCain. Is "some" another word that the Obama campaign isn't allowing to be used from now on?

Cheeeeeez!

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skibummin — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:46:28 GMT

This is calculated , McCain doesn't have to do a thing . the war is starting the swiftboating will continue. Will Obama be able to stand up to it.

HRC for pres

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pegpeg — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:47:38 GMT

I totally agree with Mr. Romano, Bush or whoever wrote this “Jewish appeasing” speech, did not give a sh...t about McSame. The neo-cons are very self-centered. They are definitely undermining McSame and this will actually help Obama.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:48:18 GMT

This whole thing is absurd. Bush never mentioned Obama adn White House staff specifically said that he was not referring to him,

The Bush hating press could not care less about the facts. They see the opportunity to trump up some false attack that Bush never made to make Obama look like a victim.

Newsweek is a disgrace and it is garbage like this that led me to cancel this rag.

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:48:46 GMT

lillea: Hang onto that mind! It's a terrible thing to waste

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:50:42 GMT

Posted By: skibummin (May 15, 2008 at 5:46 PM)

This is calculated , McCain doesn't have to do a thing . the war is starting the swiftboating will continue. Will Obama be able to stand up to it.

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Yeah, calculated by the liberal media so bleating sheep can claim that Obama is being 'swiftboated" as he continues his incessantly negative campaign against the GOP.

Liberals love a victim and Newsweek is doing there best to make Obama the world's bigggest victim. Then the bleating sheep just join on in.

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norgulf — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:52:57 GMT

It is obvious to me that Andrew Romano, who wrote this article, is a far-left, leaning liberal. What's wrong with Bush telling the truth? Is that not allowed anymore or has political correctness eliminated this also? There are others in Congress (but including Obama) who have publicly stated exactly what Bush said. Obama is clearly on the record as making these types of statements. The whole article is a put-down piece against Bush (and McCain) and was written with a definite slant to the left.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:53:30 GMT

Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 5:48 PM)

lillea: Hang onto that mind! It's a terrible thing to waste

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Typical ad-hominem attack from a liberal. lilea posted her opinion, so of course, liberals come out of the woodwork with lame and childish personal attacks that have no content.

Let me guess, you support the guy who "wants to change the tone of the conversation." I don't think he meant lower the conversation to a third grade level with personal attacks.

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skibummin — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:53:58 GMT

HRC

could stand up to it and give it back 2fold

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:54:12 GMT

Come now boys (and girl) can we not improve the caliber of our posts, rather than this overweening reliance on vapid rhetoric. Here, a helping hand for this post. . .http://www.merriam-webster.com

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:56:15 GMT

Lest their be any doubts about the level of lillea's post, I reproduce it here in full. . .

Posted By: lillea (May 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM)

Obama is such an idiot. He thinks everyone is talking about him. He is mental.

Let s/he who has a mind cast the first post. . .

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Dave in NM — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:57:53 GMT

funkdome: Just keep repeating that until you begin to believe it. Just don't hold your breath waiting for any of the rest of us to follow you.

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mjkittredge — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:58:39 GMT

This shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. Months before the democrats sweeping victory in 2006, Bush was saying how if they were elected, they would raise everyones taxes. Utterly ridiculous.

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SMPress — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:04:13 GMT

Oh come ON! Can there be ANY doubt about who Bush was talking about!?!?!

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bissron — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:05:32 GMT

Someone must explain to Bush/McCain the difference between dialog and appeasement. Dialog is an exchange of viewpoints and is almost always positive, even if no change comes from it. Appeasement by definition is a surrendering of a position.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:06:39 GMT

come now, surely obama's jaw-jaw is better than war-war, you righties?

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gadzia — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:10:20 GMT

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:14:55 GMT

Wow, looks like old Andrew doesn't care that the White House explicitly said that Bush was not talking about Obama. That doesn't fit well with the "Obama is a victim" line of crap that Newsweek is pushing with this story manufactured in collusion with the Democratic party.

Newsweek is a joke.

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:16:14 GMT

But not half as a good a punchline as your deep take on things, funkydome

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wordforward — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:16:39 GMT

It is pretty obvious that the author of this article is star struck by the Democratic Messiah known as Barack Obama. Perhaps Obama will part the Red Sea and turn water into wine for refreshments at the DNC?

Is John McCain the snwer? I seriously doubt it. Is Hillary? Umm..no.

But EITHER of those two at leats brings with them a history of some experience and accomplishment without ties to William Ayers or espousing their willingness to open "talks" with those who have demonstrated time and again their desire to see America fall.

Granted, President Clinton pardoned 2 members of the Weather Underground before he left office but that doesn't necessarily tie Hillary to them. She is not her husband (that may be the problem some people can't get past). I think the bashing in the media liberal or conservative is outrageous and frankly I think most of us are getting tired of the whole affair.

In a country of 300 plus million people in the last 12 years we can only come up with Bush,Gore, Kerry, McCain, Obama, and Hillary Clinton?

That may be the worst part of all.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:14 GMT

Posted By: Dave in NM (May 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM)

funkdome: Just keep repeating that until you begin to believe it. Just don't hold your breath waiting for any of the rest of us to follow you.

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You think I am trying to change anyone's mind on this board? LOL You guys make up your mind before the facts even come in.

We get it. In your world, all Republicans are evil and all Democrats are good. Case close, right? That's why you buy this manufactured crap without critical thought.

You can't change the mind of people who don't have one.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:20:47 GMT

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Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 6:16 PM)

But not half as a good a punchline as your deep take on things, funkydome

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Yeah, we should be like Obama supporters and respond to any comments contrary to our narrow world view with childish and vulgar ad-hominem attacks. You know, keep showing us how tolerant you are.

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:21:11 GMT

Better, funkydome, than the Dubya making up the facts after his mind's made up.

Eh?!

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:26:04 GMT

"ad-hominem attacks" it's not hyphened, funky

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:27:26 GMT

Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 6:21 PM)

Better, funkydome, than the Dubya making up the facts after his mind's made up.

Eh?!

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What does that meaningless comment have to do with anything? I already know tht you mindlessly hate Bush. Any other point to your "statement"?

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:29:47 GMT

Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM)

"ad-hominem attacks" it's not hyphened, funky

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Yeah, well you already know that I am dumb, right? I mean I must be dumb. The only people who don't share liberal views are dumb, evil or dumb and evil.

That is the foundation of your mindless liberal hatred, right?

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:32:01 GMT

My response to this post......It is okay to call our sitting President an idiot. So in order to prepare Sen Obama for the position: I posted that Obama was an idiot. Looks like it all comes with the turf.

Posted By: pegpeg (May 15, 2008 at 5:30 PM)

My response:

Obama is such an idiot. He thinks everyone is talking about him. He is mental.

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steve02001 — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:34:26 GMT

Dear funkaDUMB: "Bush was not talking about Obama?" only a moron like yourself who thinks everything that comes out of the whitehouse is true, would buy that statement.

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zzxno — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:37:45 GMT

Bush wasn't talking about Obama.

Also there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, that they were about to hand to Osama Bin Laden right before we started bombing.

I'm shocked that there are still people in this country that believe ANYTHING that comes out of this whitehouse. Seriouslly, how many times do you have to be lied to before you wise up and realize that you are being played?

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:45:18 GMT

Posted By: steve02001 (May 15, 2008 at 6:34 PM)

Dear funkaDUMB: "Bush was not talking about Obama?" only a moron like yourself who thinks everything that comes out of the whitehouse is true, would buy that statement.

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Yay, more hateful and childish name calling from liberals. Let me guess. This hateful and intolerant person supports the guy who wants to "change the tone of the conversation."

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cuppa jo — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:45:42 GMT

I'm not really sure why the liberal press is making a big deal about this. Bush didn't name anyone. Obama is NOT the center of the universe....

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:48:20 GMT

Question to the name calling crowd out there:

Do you also run aroung in public calling people names for simply disagreeing with you? Or do you just call people names when you don't know who they are and they don't know who you are? Either one is a sign of weak character, but I am guessing that more folks here are in the latter category.

Keep the name calling coming. It is not only persuasive, it speaks well of you as an individual.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:49:34 GMT

Posted By: cuppa jo (May 15, 2008 at 6:45 PM)

I'm not really sure why the liberal press is making a big deal about this. Bush didn't name anyone. Obama is NOT the center of the universe....

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The liberal press is making a big deal out of it to portray Obama as a victim. Based on the responses of the angry liberals on this board, it was quite successful.

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:53:39 GMT

Librals always out yell and insult anyone who disagrees with them. It is a tactic that replaces true intellect.

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:55:40 GMT

It appears that Obama has a very long list of words that are not allowed in this campaign. The word "some" must be the latest. Bush said "Some seem to believe......" So now "some" means Obama to the Democrats?????? (That is why I say he is mental.)

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:01:49 GMT

Posted By: lillea (May 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM)

Librals always out yell and insult anyone who disagrees with them. It is a tactic that replaces true intellect.

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It is amazing to see how far the left has fallen. No matter what site you go to, the second you take a non-liberal postion, you are immediately screamed at by several angry liberals. I even watched them do it to each other during the Obama-Clinton race.

The American left has cultivated a style of complete intolerance, in which they have a Pavlovian response to any views contrary to their own. Of course, there are intolerant conservatives, as well, but as this board demonstrates, the most vulgar, childish and name calling people tend to be liberals.

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:14:39 GMT

" Posted By: lillea (May 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM)

Librals always out yell and insult anyone who disagrees with them. It is a tactic that replaces true intellect."

And who better than lillea to display for us the tender renderings of a real intellect! May I quote (lillea!) again?

Herewith:

"Posted By: lillea (May 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM)

Obama is such an idiot. He thinks everyone is talking about him. He is mental."

Keep that intellect hard at work, lillea. . .

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Flagwaver — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:14:46 GMT

Folks,

What is so ironic about the dork Bush's comments is that the Bush Family made huge sums of money off the Nazi war machine. The Bush family was worse than an appeaser of Nazi Germany, they were enablers!!!!!

Flagwaver

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:20:30 GMT

Dear Funky:

You so woefully misunderstand me! You say:

"Yeah, well you already know that I am dumb, right? I mean I must be dumb. The only people who don't share liberal views are dumb, evil or dumb and evil. That is the foundation of your mindless liberal hatred, right?"

I'm just baiting a right-winger, is all, Funky. Thanks for playing!

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:22:33 GMT

Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 7:20 )

I'm just baiting a right-winger, is all, Funky. Thanks for playing!

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Bull. You made a useless post to point out a typo.

We already know you are intolerant. Try not to be dishonest as well.

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kenham — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:23:27 GMT

Dear Lord,

How many more days of Bush can we take? He will go down as the worst President in US history.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:26:00 GMT

Posted By: Flagwaver (May 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM)

Folks,

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How about including some facts along with your name calling. (Why can't liberals ever make a post without calling childish names?)

This silly conspiracy theory has been floating around forever. Post your facts and I will prove that you are twisting them to slander folks who don't share your narrow views.

Can't wait to see the reputible sources you provide.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:28:08 GMT

I'd like to ask the name callers a question again:

Do you also call people names to their face or do you just do it when you are anonymous?

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15R8 — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:28:47 GMT

The Hillster ,Barrack ,Govenor Judis and the short white guy all fighting one another at some time or another.

Then came the ultimate uniter !! Thanks president of the illegals BUSH

your own say talks would be goodexept that is war &death Chaney shoot but not at me

WERE GONNA RUMBEL

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:38:49 GMT

Of course, like most liberals, Flagwaver dissappeared when asked to back up his slander. It's so much easier to mindelessly attack people than it is to be informed.

For all of the folks who want to keep the Bush/Nazi myth going, feel free to read "Bush 'Nazi' Smear Unworthy of Critics" from Joe Conason, a well known Bush critic:

http://www.observer.com/node/48231

Of course, folks like Flagwaver don't want to be exposed to any facts that might get in the way of their precious, precious hatred.

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callerman — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:39:33 GMT

As the Bush enablers in Congress continue to fall in line behind his vetoes, the result will be an even greater Democratic landslide come November.

This is the biggest criminal ever to occupy the White House. He, and his entire crime family need to be impeached, indicted, convicted, and incarcerated for their crimes against Iraq, the American people, and the U.S. Constitution.

Ronald Reagan is turning over in his grave!

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:39:44 GMT

Again: My post only mirrored a post that stated that Bush was an idiot. I am only mirroring the liberals. Somehow, it is okay for a liberal to state that the Pres. is an idiot, but not okay to post that Obama is an idiot. Double standard!!

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Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM)

" Posted By: lillea (May 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM)

Librals always out yell and insult anyone who disagrees with them. It is a tactic that replaces true intellect."

And who better than lillea to display for us the tender renderings of a real intellect! May I quote (lillea!) again?

Herewith:

"Posted By: lillea (May 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM)

Obama is such an idiot. He thinks everyone is talking about him. He is mental."

Keep that intellect hard at work, lillea. .

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:41:57 GMT

The ONLY point I'm making, Funkydome, is that if your words are limited, there's a good shot your mind is too, is, all. Just a good shot, FD, not a certainty.

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:42:10 GMT

In response to this post:

Posted By: Flagwaver (May 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM)

Folks,

Flagwaver

My response:

Obama is a dork and an enable of the Nazis.

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lillea — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:43:58 GMT

In response to this post:

Posted By: callerman (May 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM)

As the Bush enablers in Congress continue to fall in line behind his vetoes, the result will be an even greater Democratic landslide come November.

Ronald Reagan is turning over in his grave!

My response:

Obama is a criminal and needs to be impeached, indicted, convicted and incarcerated.

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Lee Holmes — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:47:17 GMT

Well,we can only hope that with a president Obama,the conservatives can come up with a wunderkid smartass at least as prolific as Romano.[who ,along with his Dem pals,had better be right about Iran].

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callerman — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:47:20 GMT

Here is a quote from the Joe Conason article:

The involvement of Prescott Sr. and other members of the American business aristocracy with Nazi-era industry was shameful, and in some instances illegal-and they knew it. Like so many Americans who made deals with fascist interests or lent political support to them during the 30's, those businessmen got off rather easily after the war. Most of them, including Bush, were permitted to keep the money they had made with the Germans.

This, indeed, shows where much of the Bush family money was made... selling weapons to the Nazis!

It's odd that Bush uses the term Islamo facists. Facism is actually synonymous with Corporatism. It describes the cozy relationship enjoyed by big business with the government at the expense of the general population.

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:48:39 GMT

But surely, lillea, that's why we have a judicial system! It's hardly for you to conclude, as you do: "Obama is a criminal and needs to be impeached, indicted, convicted and incarcerated."

Nope, first we have the trial (although, of course, the AG has to agree there are charges to be laid) Sorry for the lesson in civics, but I'm here to help. . .

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:48:40 GMT

Posted By: Snerdgrasse (May 15, 2008 at 7:41 PM)

The ONLY point I'm making, Funkydome, is that if your words are limited, there's a good shot your mind is too, is, all. Just a good shot, FD, not a certainty

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Yawn. Shoudn't you be calling people names or shouting vulgarities in caps? I mean you are an Obama supporter, right?

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callerman — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:52:28 GMT

Lillea,

You wrote:

Obama is a criminal and needs to be impeached, indicted, convicted and incarcerated.

I reply: Based on WHAT? Bush is the congenital, habitual lawbreaker, starting way back when he refused to report for duty in the National Guard because of his reluctance to take a urine test,

Barack Obama will be a fine president with a very difficult job pushing back all the illogical, ill conceived initiatives that Bush and his lying syncophants have foisted on the American people. The theft of our national treasury by Bush and his war mongering industrialist friends will eventually end. The American people are about to stand up in November and show how intolerable the Republican party has become!

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:53:11 GMT

callerman -

How typical of a liberal to tak a quote out of context.

Here is the paragraph before your carefully edited clip:

"What the A.P. story notes - unlike many of the Internet stories circulating about the "Bush-Nazi connection"-is that, by 1938, Fritz Thyssen had fallen out with the Nazi regime he had helped bring to power, evidently "over their persecution of Catholics and Jews." After fleeing to neutral Switzerland, Thyssen was arrested by the Nazis. At the moment when his U.S. assets were seized, Thyssen was in a Nazi prison, where he remained until the end of the war."

Here is the paragraphs following your carefully chosen snippet:

"They're all dead now, however. Prescott Sr. died more than 30 years ago.

Before he went to his final reward, the Bush patriarch was elected from Connecticut to the U.S. Senate, where he served from 1952 until he retired 10 years later. He was a liberal Eisenhower Republican who distinguished himself as an opponent of McCarthyism and an advocate of public housing.

Henry Ford was a Nazi collaborator. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. was a Nazi sympathizer. Unless additional information emerges to indict him, Prescott Bush Sr. was neither. To misuse such terms for political advantage against his grandson is to trivialize very grave offenses."

Looks like all liberals have picked up on the Michael Moore style of fashioning reality. Select a tiny bit of verbiage, take it out of context and create a false narrative around it.

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funkdome — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:57:01 GMT

callerman -

You miss the point. Lilliea demonstrating that is really simple to make silly and ignorant attacks like "Bush is a criminal and needs to be impeached" and that anyone can make such baseless attacks.

Come on. I thought liberals were supposed to have a sense of irony. I mean you guys get your news from Jon Stewart, right?

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callerman — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:58:10 GMT

Funkdome -

Never mind. Republicans are toast in November. Bring on the election!

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Snerdgrasse — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:59:59 GMT

Quoting Funky:

"Looks like all liberals have picked up on the Michael Moore style of fashioning reality. Select a tiny bit of verbiage, take it out of context and create a false narrative around it."

That's called swiftboating, isn't it, Funky?

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Snerdgrasse — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:04:58 GMT

Look, let's cut to the chase here. Bush made his remarks in Israel as a boost for McCain. Can we not all at least appreciate that McCain needs POTUS support? Let's all be glad he got it when he needed did.

McCain has some tough enough sledding ahead of him as it is.

I applaud the Alexandrian quality in Bush's character, as he proffers his strong arm to his colleague.

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funkdome — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:07:17 GMT

Quoting Funky:

"Looks like all liberals have picked up on the Michael Moore style of fashioning reality. Select a tiny bit of verbiage, take it out of context and create a false narrative around it."

That's called swiftboating, isn't it, Funky?

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No, no, no. Liberals can slander conservatives all they want. Only liberals can be "swiftboated",

You are forgetting the whole liberal hypocrisy thing.

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Snerdgrasse — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:08:38 GMT

omigosh, i just suddenly became aware Funkdome (sp?) is a Jon Stewart fan. That is SO cool. . .

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steve02001 — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:10:27 GMT

FunkaDUMB: what is "hateful and childish" is the way Bush and his apoligists use this Nazi apeasement crap to paint anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them. Apologists like yourself who have lost all sense of objectivity and march blindly along the Bush/Chenney bandwagon. Remember the start of this Iraq fiasco? anyone who disagreed with the war was called a Nazi appeaser. What a disegeceful and igonorant President we have. It's not about liberal vs. conservative, its about objectively looking at Bush's remakrs. And again you are a "moron" for following along blindly; look it up: "moron" = a person who is lacking in good judgment.

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funkdome — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:11:16 GMT

Posted By: callerman (May 15, 2008 at 7:58 )

Funkdome -

Never mind. Republicans are toast in November. Bring on the election!

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Nice response. Has nothing to do with what we were discussing, but nice response.

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funkdome — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:14:23 GMT

steve02001 -

You can disagree with Bush all you want. Plenty of people do it without acting like a child. You are not one of them. Even if Bush was as bad as you think, that still doesn't change the fact that you are incapable of making a single post without calling people names.

Do you call strangers names to their face? Or do you just do it when you are anonymous? I am guessing the latter.

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Snerdgrasse — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:17:00 GMT

OK, funky, you have reason, and you are quite right. It's just that both the pot and the kettle call each other black. . .

truth is, you're probably a decent sort. BUT. . .

Bush was talking about my man, Barack, and yes, I'm going to vote for him, it's true.

But, I respect McCain's integrity and his POW time maybe shouldn't count with me, but it really does. The man is a thinking, sentient patriot.

And, just like Obama, he has to speak out of both sides of his mouth at the same time as denying he said anything at all. And then the other side catches each with the most absurdly hair-splitting drivel of "100 more years of Iraq" or "bitter".j

Fundamental policy is it, chums. Although my man does shoot a mean game of pool, I must say. . .

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funkdome — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:22:28 GMT

Snerdgrasse -

OK, looks like we have some common ground. I agree with a lot of what you say, and frankly I think Obama would be, at the least, a decent President.

That being said, I really don't think the comment was directed at Obama at all. It was directed at the large number of folks on the left who think we should be talking to Hamas, be it Obama, Jimmy Carter or the New York Times. IMHO, the media is setting up Obama as a perpetual victim.

BO does play some mean pool, but McCain has the GMILF wife thing. LOL.

I'm going to get out on a good note.

Cheers!

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Snerdgrasse — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:25:53 GMT

But woouldn't Michelle be a fine FLILF?

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gigispen — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:49:04 GMT

I don't think that President Bush's remarks require such a vitriolic response. Clearly, he sees terrorists as maniacle and I don't think that anyone would disagree with that assessment. The issue is what do you do when dealing with a crazy person. Do you try to communicate? Is that possible? What would be the harm? Isn't there a saying about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer? No telling what you might find out or be able to accomplish.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting tea and crumpets at the White House. Is it impossible for anything constructive to come from a dialogue? A true intellectual (christian?) would never dismiss that possibility unless dealing with someone who has absolutely no grasp on cognitive thought. JMO.

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Flagwaver — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:49:53 GMT

Folks,

It's a fact. The Bushes were Nazi sympathizers and war profiteers and made huge sums of money of the Nzai War Machine. So the granson, whose family was directly imvolved in promoting Nazism is now accusing Obama of "appeasement"!!! It's hilarious!!! Look up the life of Prescott Bush Sr. if you don't believe it.

Regards,

Flagwaver

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Flagwaver — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:56:26 GMT

Folks,

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.@s1

Regards,

Flagwaver

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stargazergurl22 — Fri, 16 May 2008 01:05:50 GMT

I think what Dubya said, in context, was 100 percent exactley right and I commend him for it.

I'm damn glad he had the ballz to say it.

More!

Obama/Hillary? Cut and run appeasers, that much is obvious; you cant reason with these suicidal nihlists stuck in the "glory" years of Islam AD 600; they must be confronted and destroyed and we are on the RIGHT track with him as president.

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spookiedogg — Fri, 16 May 2008 02:08:04 GMT

i want to say concerning Bush/McCain/Obama the first (2) needs to take a hike because if McCain becomes president he's just as stupid as Bush and Bush is making sure he really screw up this country before he leaves office then here comes mccain and he finish screwing up this country but if we get OBAMA for president then this country has a fighting chance to recover from PRESIDENT DUMD BUTT BUSH

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GustoMaybe — Fri, 16 May 2008 03:12:16 GMT

Didn't Ronald Regan send Bush senior to negotiate the release of the hostages from Iran? Or was it Oliver North? Or was it both of them? How can he forget Iran Contra???

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Young Atheart — Fri, 16 May 2008 07:10:24 GMT

Today on Nova-M radio, Robert Wexler (D-FL) said "GENERALS STARTED FINALLY LISTENING TO OBAMA'S SUGGESTIONS" when he argued that "Musharraf could not openly give permission for targeted strikes for fear of being assassinated"

Here is what he was talking about --

1. August 2007 debate: Obama makes vocal case for striking terrorists inside Pakistan

"Let me make this clear: There are terrorists holed up in those mountains, that murdered 3,000 Americans," said Obama during the counterterrorism address. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-valued terrorist targets and if President Musharraf will not act, we will."

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3458915

2. McCain, Hillary, Dodd, Biden all criticize him saying we should not be working against Musharraf our only advocate in the region

3. December 2007: Bhutto assassinated by terrorists

4. The Washington Post reported that in late January, a CIA aircraft fired on several buildings in the Pakistani town of Mir Ali, killing a senior al-Qaida commander and several others. The paper, quoting anonymous U.S. officials, said that the action was done without seeking approval from the Pakistani government.

5. Mid February '08, Musharraf voted out of power; US has spent $11B trying to prop. up Musharraf

6. Late February, Senator Dodd endorsed Obama

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Mariea — Fri, 16 May 2008 10:51:55 GMT

bush did not mention stupid obama name however obama is friends with terriost friends with the.....wake up if obama gets the nomination. you wont be on here curseing bush. it will be goodby America. as we know it. rev wright is was and is ill bet still obama friend. andhis terriost friend. obamas wife is a America hater a big mouth.......................

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ivrydov@hotmail.com — Fri, 16 May 2008 11:11:21 GMT

As an Israeli, I am amazed at the political use the Democrats made of a statement of principle by Bush before our Knesset. We had just seen the global village idiot Jimmy Carter come through and our government, backed wall to wall by the opposition, told him he could only do harm by meeting with terrorists, who are under remote control from Syria which is under remote control from Iran. They are not going to abandon their goal of the destruction of Israel because Carter asks for it and he was just conferring on them a respectability that these thugs and mass murderers do not deserve . He was not greeted officially and everyone turned their back on him.

If anyone, that is who Bush was referring to in address. No one here even knows who Obama is.

In the background of Bush's address was an orchestrated world campaign subscribed to by the BBC and CNN to make it seem that Israel was an illegitimate rogue state which stole their land from 700,000 innocent refugees who were driven out. In fact most fled or were directed out by their armies and on the other side 900,000 Jews were hounded from their homes by Arabs elsewhere, who stole from them $400 billion in property. The Jews, with no resources, took care of their own, the Arabs let theirs rot and preferred to spend their vast oil revenues on 40 km bridges to nowhere and grandiose skyscrapers in the desert.

If Bush had played to Arab public as Clinton et wife did in 1998, he would have been the toast of the Arab street and helped his cause in Iraq. Instead he give a speech of praise to Israel, earned or not, unheard of in this country from a foreign leader since Napoleon was here. Napoleon was perhaps trying to get Jewish recruits for his depleted army before the assault on Acre. Bush had nothing to gain. He just stated a principle he believes in. What has Obama to do with this? Nothing.

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Karenn1 — Fri, 16 May 2008 12:07:00 GMT

The grandson of the one who finance Hitler for the holocaust. Get real Red light ,yellow light fear mongers won't work. Only the stupid will listen to a Republican,also the rich.

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boba12 — Fri, 16 May 2008 12:07:05 GMT

McCain has aligned himself with Bush in Iraq and foreign policy. Bush policies are total failures. Lack of diplomacy and aggression in Iraq are the major reasons for this. As President, Barack Obama will replace insult and confrontation with respect and cooperation, as he engages the world to oppose terrorists worldwide and withdraws our occupying forces from Iraq. It is only with a concerted effort that the two can work. The fack is on 9/11 the civilized nations of the world including Iran offered to help in the war on terror. Bush thumbed his nose at them. Change we can count on. Elect Barack Obama who knows the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. McCain has confused them on five separate occasions. McCain wants to continue Bush's failures. Barack Obama for President.

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OhioGal — Fri, 16 May 2008 12:47:09 GMT

Reagan talked to Gorbachov, who lead our worst enemy. Why is it suddenly so outlandish and unAmerican to negotiate with those we don't like. Negotiation doesn't mean appeasement.

re: Bush: Not Doing McCain Any Favors

Obama Drama — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:06:04 GMT

Hey look at it this way - If Rev Wright-Resko-sneaky dealings with Canada and Hamas and Mitchell has not hurt Obama well then why does what Bush says and does effect MCCAIN?????????????

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Obama Drama — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:23:49 GMT

The Democratic slogan of " McCain is 4 more years of Bush" is just as stupid as the Rep saying "Obama is 4 years of Carter." Lets stick with the policies these two have come up with and who we can trust more with our troops. The ecomony is important but the lives of our service members has got to be number one. McCain is being honest to say that by 2013 our troops will out. We can not have smoke blown at us that our troops will be out by 60 days or 6 months. That will not happen. Listen to the plans - The dems want to take our troops out of Iraq and put forces in Afgan - to finish that war. Has anyone thought about the fact that these same radicals going to Afgan to continue the fight with the US??? That is why it is important that we finish and make sure that we have solved the problem we started within Iraq before we leave. If we don't then these idiots will follow the US troops in Afgan. If we don't have enough troops in Afgan then our troops will be killed at a higher rate. No canadate has focused on the truth. At least McCain is honest to say 2013. We may not like that plan - but it's more honest than what we've heard so far from Hillary or Obama. Stop and think of what is really happening - talk to our troops and listen to thier thoughts. McCain has 2 sons in Iraq in the military. I trust that he would not want his sons in danger and would have a plan that includes troop saftey. Just like it was McCain's idea for a troop surge. Let's get real

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fredman — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:24:55 GMT

What GW should have said!

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You Hillary? You Osama Obama? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Saddam, and you curse Carl Rove. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That water-boarding terrorists, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties and body-piercing gatherings, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a bunch of limped-wristed tree-huggers who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, and then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said THANK YOU, and went on your delusional kumbaya singing ways, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think! You friggin' people. You have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did is weaken a country today, that’s all you did. You put people's lives in danger. Sweet dreams, son.

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Rametyn — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:31:23 GMT

I would like to assume for a moment that Bush was directing his comments toward Obama, just for a moment of clarity.

"Some believe we should negotiate with terrorist and radicals," Bush said, "as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

Obama's response? "George Bush knows I have never supported engagements with terroists ..."

Hmmm.

I recall Obama also said this, a quote from the Herald Tribune--Nov 1, 2007

"We are willing to talk about certain assurances in the context of showing them some good faith," Obama said, "I think it is important to send a signal that we are not hell bent on regime change, just for the sake of regime change, but expect changes in behavior. And there are both CARROTS and STICKS available for those changes in behavior."

Well ... that sure sounds like engagement to me. And isn't offering something to someone something to get something negotiating?

Let's see.

Dictionary

negotiate. to confer with another as to arrive at the settlement of some matter. 1a to deal with. 1b to arrange for or bring about through conference, discussion, or compromise (CARROTS and STICKS)

Yep that's negotiating.

So Obama's response is to say he wouldn't--after we know that he said he would? How can offering carrots and sticks NOT be construed as appeasment?

There is no gray are here--no spin--no confusion. This is what Obama said, out his own mouth, documented, recorded, and matter of public record. What has the Dems all in an uproar is that he said it, Bush called him on it, and they are worried that this snippet of truth will hurt them when it comes to the November election. So they have to be outraged, they have to be drag it through the mud, smoke screening the truth so that it is diluted down and we focus on what Bush said, rather than ponder on what Obama said.

Facts are fact: The future nominee for the Democratic party did say (in his own grandiose, over dressed fashion of speak) that he would negotiate with Iran; and nothing his spporters say, twist, type or try to convey in any way will change that.

That there is more outrage about Bush calling this to people's attention than there is Obama actually wanting to sit down with a country that is right now, this minute, aiding in the killing of US soldiers is beyond comprehension.

That there are Americans (Democrats) who give so little thought to the young men DYING over there appals me. "Bring our troops home!" they scream. While talking quietly about sitting with the president of a country who is responsible for their deaths ---all in the name of politics.

Easy to suggest I suppose, as long as they are not the ones wearing a uniforms.

As I said, Obama's statement is a fact. Not opinion. Unless you want to change the words, or there meanings--which reminds me of a famous Dem who once wanted clarification by a congressional committee on what the word "is," is--ahem--Bill Clinton--Monica Lewinski scandal.

Be mad at Bush for calling him on it; be mad that Obama said it; but in the end, when November is over, be mad at yourselves. Because, after all, you were the ones who nominated him.

Until then keep trying to smoke screen the truth. Keep being appaled everytime Obama gets nailed with something like this. Because America isn't stupid--no matter how much Nancy Pelosi jumps up and down about it.

She can say that Bush's statement is "beneath the dignity of office," But from where I'm sitting, negotiating with terrorists who are killing our sons and daughters is even lower--somewhere abysmally deeper--and much further down below the trough than even that.

Good Luck Obamanites, you'll need it.

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Obama Drama — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:35:59 GMT

We should have a plan in which the Iraqies pay us every cent we have spent on this war. We should also make them pay every service family who lost a loved one or was disabled in this war at least 1 million dollars. We gotta take that money before we get out and not trust them that once we leave they will pay us back.

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Obama Drama — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:42:11 GMT

Well said Rametyn - Just Words Just Words - How funny Obama's talks have changed over the 3 months ain't it????? He is the biggest laugh since well - BUSH.

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Obama Drama — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:49:51 GMT

Obama is a liar on many parts of his life. We all know that without pointing anything out on it. The only reason he is the Dem Nominee is simple - The dem can not afford to loose the Black voters and they are willing to give up 4 more years in order to have that happen. If it was anyother canadate other than McCain on the Rep side - they would have gone with Hillary. But McCain is a liberal Rep so many feel they can deal with McCain for 4 more years until they hope to get the White House back. It's all politics at it's best. Just like those who support Obama are getting 10-40 thousand put into thier campaign fund - also now the "Majic List" Obama has. Ya know yesterday I got an email from EDwards asking for 5-10-20-dollars to help his graduating program. Where did he get my email???? Obama ???? Probly because I read Hillary, Obama and McCain stuff and I am signed up for all three. I guess we know what Edwards payoff was for the endorsment.

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Rametyn — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:11:22 GMT

I think what people (especially Dems) need to understand now is that through this nomination process Obam is not even close to being vetted yet. Even with Hillary in opposition, there are things she hasn't espoused on--because they are supposed to be on the "same side." Politics demand she not completely tear into him for their party's sake, so that strength may be maintained.

So all the Dems have seen, in his faults, is a kind of smack on the wrist endeavor.

Republicans will be beating him over the head with a baseball bat. Bush's statements yesterday is only the first in a volley of the true vetting yet to come. There will be no punches pulled, and the allusion to who Obama is--or, should I say Illusion--will be dispelled quickly.

It is not there fault--running against another Dem for over a year doesn't do much to paint the whole picture. They know what the Dem party has wanted them to know without causing any true damage, and that is all. Any one with half a mind knows this. They may run against each other--but Dems don't make careers destroying other Dems.

Now the next five months. Well, as you can assume by my previous post--it is going to be quite and interesting period, and quite a learning experience, for our young Mr. Obama.

The only thing this long nomination process has done for the Dems is lull their party into a false sense of comfort about their candidate.

The real fireworks are only about to begin.

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butchyboy — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:07:56 GMT

Rametyn. OOOOOhhhhh, Us Democrats are sooooooo afraid of all the bad things the low life repugs will use to try and scare the American People. Its all you have to try and get people to vote for John McSame. The only reason he got the nomination is because no one else really wanted it. The Repug primaries ended very quickly for a reason. So just sit back and watch what will possibly be, across the board, one of the most brutal thrashings a political party has ever tried to endure, People with extremely volatile garments should be careful with fireworks. Oh by the way congrats on the special elections in Lousianna, Mississippi and Illinois. Randy Right

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butchyboy — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:12:23 GMT

repugs are full of crap

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marksgershenson — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:20:44 GMT

Appeasement, literally: calming, reconciling, acquiring peace by way of concessions or gifts (the verb 'to pay' also goes back to the Latin 'pax' = peace). Most commonly, appeasement is used for the policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles. Usually it means giving in to demands of an aggressor in order to avoid war....I haven't heard Obama say that...since some comments like to go to the dictionary...and now for negotiate Main Entry:

ne·go·ti·ate

Pronunciation:

\ni-ˈgō-shē-ˌāt, ÷-sē-\

Function:

verb

Inflected Form(s):

ne·go·ti·at·ed; ne·go·ti·at·ing

Etymology:

Latin negotiatus, past participle of negotiari to carry on business, from negotium business, from neg- not + otium leisure — more at negate

Date:

1599

intransitive verb

: to confer with another so as to arrive at the settlement of some matter

transitive verb

1 a: to deal with (some matter or affair that requires ability for its successful handling) : manage b: to arrange for or bring about through conference, discussion, and compromise <negotiate a treaty>

2 a: to transfer (as a bill of exchange) to another by delivery or endorsement b: to convert into cash or the equivalent value <negotiate a check>

3 a: to successfully travel along or over <negotiate a turn> b: complete, accomplish <negotiate the trip in two hours>.... so people, who is appeasing, and who is negotiating?

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Rametyn — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:38:14 GMT

butchyboy--you prove the point of Democratic idiocy

How many Repub candidates started out in this race--or can you even count that high.

The reason it was over quickly is because Repubs don't just keep on running even when they know they are beat--unlike some bitter members of the Dems, who keep on going, just becuause they are too stupid to believe they have lost---ahem--Hillary.

And Markgershenson---like is said in my post--You Dems will try to twist and turn anything--even go into the entymology of a word--LOL--to try and explain away your mistakes.

Are you saying that the definition of negotiate is NOT the one the dictionary spells out. That is hilarious. No, you simply retyped the same definition I did. LOL. And as for appeasement--what do you think CARROTS AND STICKS are? You have sure heard him say that. Would you like to convince everyone that he is offering some beta k vitamins to improve the eyesight of those he is about to club over the head?

Your depiction of appeasment is just that--putting it in context under the guise of your own opinion--using words like usually at the sacrifice of principles. Where on earth is that defined? I would like to see that rendition myself. Are you saying it is calming terrorists by imposing conditions to make them give up their beliefs? How you opinionated appeasment after you defined it almost makes it an oxymoron--moron. Appeasment in policy is just as it is defined--offering gifts or concessions (incentives) to find some common ground. Sheesh! How can you know Obama said Carrots and sticks-- and then claim you never heard him say that. Brilliant mark--just brilliant.

Why don't we just revamp the whole english language--so that Dems are never saying what they are actually saying

LOL

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Rametyn — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:57:48 GMT

By the way--just in case this isn't clear enough for you.

During a debate in Julu 2007, when Obama was asked whether or not he would "NEGOTIATE" with state sponsors of terror without the use of pre-conditions--his answer was---

Drumroll here

"YES"

Now would you like to redifine the word yes so that we cans hash that out too?

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Tampa Tom — Fri, 16 May 2008 19:09:33 GMT

George W. Bush, the worst president in US history by a wide margin, doesn't know the definition of "negotiate." And people are surprised at the ungodly mess he's made of everything?

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Rametyn — Fri, 16 May 2008 19:43:18 GMT

Exactly right Tampa---because you don't negotiate with people who are killing Americans. Period.

Time passes and people like you forget that the Trade Towers were bombed BEFORE we were at war with Iraq. Too stupid to realize that they wanted Americans dead (including you fool) without need or neccessatation. When he is no longer president, and if Dems have their way (thinking you can reason with those people) it will be individuals like you who are surprised that the war on terror arrives all at once on the fringe of your own doorstep. As long as you are safe and comfortable here--under the protection that OUR MILITARY provides--you can keep thinking from an outsiders prospective what you want. But there is alot more going on than I am sure your simple mind will ever understand.

These tired old remarks will continue I suppose, until the passive mind of the Democratic followers have something themselves to lose. It is only when your child, or your brother, father or mother is killed in the name of Alah that your thin laced idealisms begin to change.

Until then, keep thinking you have it figured out--here in the safe obsurity of you so lovingly enjoy Paid for at expense by the men and women of the US ARMED FORCES.

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austria2 — Fri, 16 May 2008 20:50:23 GMT

Iran supports and trains Hezbollah and Hamas. These two militant groups were invited to participate in the political process of the governments of Lebanon and Palestine and become members of the civilized society. They joined and gained political power; but it was not enough, they want more. They have hidden agenda. They are willing to join the political process, not to be really become members of the civilized community but to enter inside the government and then when it is right time : stage a coup d'etat. As Hamas did in Gaza and Hezbollah just recently in Beirut.

Who taught them that? Iran. Remember, the Revolutionaries overthrew the Shah. Iran will sit down and talk - to gain something, but not to abandon their dream of dominating Middle East and control the oil business when they get Iraq. Iran and Iraq was one kingdom under King Nebuchadnezzar. When U.S. leaves Iraq, Maliki or his successor will join Iran and ,perhaps, with the support of Russia will control the oil - selling for $200 per barrel, or $300, $400, $500. That is how Iran will control U.S. and the world.

They will talk, why not. But they will see how then can take advantage of us. When diplomatic relationship is resumed, be careful, they will send spies.

We need the help of Fifth Element. Parabim... Parabom.

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thosfiore — Fri, 16 May 2008 20:57:20 GMT

Well the thing is that we do deal with people who are or have killed Americans. You know like Bush's friend Qaddafi in Libya and all of those Sunnis in Iraq that used to plant IEDs that we are paying to...be a militia, I guess. Back in the golden days of Reagan we were trading arms for hostages to get funding for right wing hit squads to kill Latin American leftists; the net effect there was to give them incentive to take more hostages. Even the Israelis have been known to kill a few Americans when we get in their way.

The idea here is to be subtle enough to get what we want from them without giving away the store. It appears to me that either of the nominees are capable of dealing with both our friends and our enemies; neither is as simple minded as our current President. If anything Obama is more capable of playing this game of chess for blood since he can keep straight who is on what team as opposed to McCain's Sunni or is it Shi'a routine.

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J. Sharp — Sat, 17 May 2008 01:17:10 GMT

Looks like even country music stations are upset with Bush attacking an American citizen:

“Currently, 147 country music stations have instituted the [Bush] ban, a number which has been growing by the hour. Clear Channel, a major syndicator to all radio formats across America, is considering the ban, which would increase the numbers significantly and be a major blow to the White House. Several Clear Channel stations have independently instituted their own ban.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/country-radio-stations-sh_b_102147.html

Bush may find his Hitler remarks backfiring even further on him considering his own well documented family history of appeasement, support and money laundering for Hitler.

http://newsmine.org/archive/cabal-elite/families/bush-dynasty/bush-family-fortune-from-nazis-dutch-connection.txt

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012303A.ma.dead.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0925-01http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8783.htm

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush-Hitler.html

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ROG309A.html