Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

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malachy100 — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:01:11 GMT

The media has worked hard and diligently to crush Hillary Clinton and her campaign. Its been slanderous and mean spirited. This was the first woman in the history of the united states to run for president and with historic , unpresidented determinism, the media and its corporate intersests have worked to keep her down and creat an image of her and her supporters that does not exist. This will bite the Democratic party in November. And then, all the comedy in the world won't dry the tears of democratic Americans. Yes a change is coming. Unfortunately, its not the change that Obama and Clinton supporters expect.

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Vote Hillary — Sat, 17 May 2008 02:14:45 GMT

malachy100...Everything you said is 100% true,but i have to disagree on one point i believe Hillary can bring the change America needed now unfortunantly since the DnC is intent on taking the nomination from her they are not going to get the change they hoped for in November,Obama will not beat Mcain Republicans aren't going to be as nice as Hillary was to Obama,like the old saying..ya'll aint seen nothing yet! No Obama 08,As a Hillary supporter i will vote Mcain in November and i cant wait to cast it as so many million others will also.

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neos — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:10:09 GMT

On issues Obama and Hillary are 90+% alike and miles apart from McCain. Someone who would jump from Hillary to McCain needs to examine their true motive for such a drastic change.

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kcengg@hotmail.com — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:18:39 GMT

Well it is almost certain Mr. Obama is going to be the nominee but the fact is there that lady Clinton is loosing by a meagre margin. Bad luck. She has strengths that Mr. Obama does not have & Mr. Obama has strengths that lady Clinton does not have. To sure win in the fall i see the only best option is the dream ticket. May God bless DNC & the candidates with wisdom to materialise this. Engineer Ram Bahadur K.C. from the land of Mt. Everest & Lord Buddha. Kathmandu, Nepal.

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kcengg@hotmail.com — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:21:51 GMT

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tommyjonq — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:27:19 GMT

yeah. classy. that describes hillary to a tee. she'll be almost as classy as ted "beware of kennedys bearing grudges" kennedy was in 1972, 1976, and 1980. and 2008. she's so classy her best friends wouldn't endorse her for dog catcher in california coyote country. she's so classy she has not once congratulated obama on a single primary victory, even though he congratulates her on every one of her meaningless "wins." she's so classy she smeared his whole life after he saved her from being booed time after time. she's so classy she endorsed john mccain instead of a fellow democrat. she's so classy she blamed her own daughter for bush's recession. and chelsea was standing right there, on the edge of the stage, when she did it. thanks, mom. she's pure class all the way.

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neos — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:40:34 GMT

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NHBob — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:42:03 GMT

I have always been on the fence with Clinton and Obama, liking each of them for different reasons. I have always voted republican. This will be my first time voting democratic. I like the issues the party is standing behind. What I don't understand is if someone is that passionate about Hillary and if it comes to her not getting the nomination and she continues to support the democratic party....is that wrong? If she does not defeat Obama should she then support McCain? Will voters like you who refuse to support her party further put her down by voting for the candidate she does not support; McCain? It would seem to me to be a vote of spite. No wonder control of this country is lost! After money, spin, the media and the way we vote who can find truth, values, and community spirit. It's slowly fading in the distance of the rear view mirror of my electric car....oh yeah....they voted and sent those to the crusher a few years back.

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Chapalody — Sat, 17 May 2008 04:01:00 GMT

Let's not go overboard with classy here. I believe it would be wiser to assume classy has nothing to do with it. How about getting someone like Obama to pay off all of Hillary's remaining bills. How about an appointment on some committee or head of some department. Hillary's staying in until she gets a better offer then what she's been offered. You can bet there have been offers made to Hillary. Staying in this contest is Hillary's way of saying no, you have to do better. Would you say Hillary is thinking of the people or the party at this point. If Hillary isn't going to win the nomination, and by now she knows she isn't, it's not the people she's concerned about or the party. The only thing Hillary is concerned about is what she can get out of all of this for herself. Hillary had a good teacher.

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Mwalimu — Sat, 17 May 2008 04:55:21 GMT

I have always strongly supported Obama, but I would support Hillary should she win the nomination. What I bitterly resent about Hillary is her pandering and name-calling and her attempts to wage a smear and fear campaign against Obama. By waging such fear and smear tactics against Obama, she is encouraging the same fear and smear tactics against herself.

I recently retired after spending a life time teaching in an inner city high school in one of the most dangerous 'hoods in LA. During my tenure, I got "drafted" into serving as senior class sponsor 4 times. I always preferred working as a co-sponsor team with other teachers. Everything went much better when I worked as a team.

The Democratic party desperately needs to work as a team. Granted, we can have only one president and one vice president. But we need to find ways of incorporating different candidates rather than the one or the other approach. Neither Clinton, Edwards or Obama have everything that they need to be a great president. McCain thinks he is "all that and a bag of chips." but McCain is our answer to Leonid Brezhnev, the senile ossified oldster who gave the USSR the kiss of death long before Reagan's famous wall speech. With that said, were Clinton,Edwards and Obama (and perhaps a currently unnamed running mate) to fuse and create a TEAM AMERICA - that would be the best thing to happen to American and the world. The Democrats need to keep in mind "it's not about me, it's about we." The person who best understands that concept is best qualified to lead the team. I would urge any patriotic Democratc out there reading this message to spread to word. Remember our country comes first.

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Sara Sow — Sat, 17 May 2008 05:03:58 GMT

I honestly got tears in my eyes when I saw the adds that Hilary has recently put on the air.

Not because I feel sorry for her...but because I feel sorry for this country.

Unfortunately it has only been these last few weeks when Hilary has actually been "the real Hilary".

Too many advisors tried to mold her into someone that wasn't real. People can sense when something is phony. Many of my friends and I have noticed a big difference in her spirit and genuine sincere desire to make this a better country. She no longer concentrates on the competition she is in. She really wants us to go to a far better place in this country. One of caring for one another. One of changing the wrongs that have been done these last eight years.

Classy...you bet....genuine...she's the real Hilary that should have been all along. I can assure you had she found her voice sooner, the outcome would be vastly different.

I don't discount Baraka Bamas talents. He is a brilliant speaker...though lately his passion seems much less than it was. I truly worry that he is the traditional politician wrapped in candy coated garment...I hope I'm wrong. My sense truly is that he has been made an Elvis Presley. Idolized by many young people who in many cases have convinced their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. to vote for him. I truly don't believe he's ready to be president. There is just too much evidence to the contrary. He probably will get the nomination...he may even win the election...but I can tell you right now the talents and abilities that Hilary Clinton possesses had better be given a chance in some manner or there will be thousands of us baby boomers and others that will abstain from voting..I know that for a fact. I realize many of you poo poo that idea....just wait and see. Just in my circle of friends...and there are many. We agree on that point and this is becoming a nation wide attitude. Hilary is being shoved aside though she is running neck and neck in many of the polls and in some cases way ahead. Women of this nation will certainly not stand for the"Good ole Boys Club" to dust her off as though she was a piece of lint.

We will be watching to see how she is treated these next few weeks and how her talents are put to use by the Super Delegates. Should Obama become the nominee in four years I sincerely hope I won't be able to say "I told you so"

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mintchip — Sat, 17 May 2008 05:16:00 GMT

I never doubted that Hillary was smart enough to know when enough is enough, but the media and many people always thought she was some sort of selfish enemy of democracy. Hillary is not perfect, but the bad rap she gets is definitely not deserved. If anything, this race has shown what this woman is really made of. She has been able to define herself after years and years of having other people do most of that for her.

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Acoco — Sat, 17 May 2008 06:33:38 GMT

If there is a classy exit strategy, there would've been a classy entry which never happened. Nominate Hillary and you'll see the nominated Hillary.

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mvezs — Sat, 17 May 2008 07:11:28 GMT

Classy exit? OK, i am really tired of reading al these negative comments about Hillary. She proved herself to be a tenacious resourceful and intelligent woman throughout this campaign. Classy may not have been in her mind at all. A lot of people whine about Hillary's tough approaches, but do we really want a president who carries herself in any other way than Hillary does? If she was a man, none of the criticism she has received would have made a difference on the way she's perceived. We want a tough president who can withstand criticism and be willing to stand up for he/she believes in. She never complained about the hard hits she got from the media. This woman has been able to compete and maintain her ground in an arena that has been long considered to be a man's land. This might be an indication of how prejudist this country still is. We are willing to choose a black president (male) over a female president, even if the man has virtually no experience. Women still have a long way to go to overcome many boundaries, but Hillary will go down in history as the woman who broke many of them to make it possible for a woman to be the president of the United States. She will always be my president!

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Yellow Sapphire — Sat, 17 May 2008 08:07:48 GMT

Obama will become a laughing stock against experienced and seasoned Republicans. He is still a "baby" in politics and will not get the support of many, lest the young. Why do you vote a nominee that is a darling of young and first-time voters? First of all, these groups of voters do not even know how to manage their lives and finances, and a majority of them are carried away by their own “world and beliefs” and mostly, some kind of peer pressure. But, let us be more objective. Let us choose a President, whether black or woman who you think could best represent us and kill the “Bush” administration. Didn’t Clinton promise change as well? In my point of view, any Democrat represents a change in the administration. I think Hillary is in a better position to manage our economy and deal what is best for us. Think of her as a mother, who does the budget at home and look after the family’s welfare…from what food that we eat on the table, children’s education, and family security. Isn’t this what we want?

Of course, we want security, and this is the Republicans’ major agenda. Now we are putting our foot in our mouths. If we did not wage war and invade Iraq, we will still have the same American lifestyle and dream that we enjoyed and cherished during Bill Clinton’s administration. I still remember gas prices at $.89/gallon and that was the best times and years in our lives. Jobs were plenty, food was affordable, gas was cheap and family summer vacations were always in our calendars for as long as we have the time….

I do not want a drastic change in our economy…we need to stabilize it first then go forward…..If you have seen Obama when he was criticized by J. Wright, he looked like a wet chick. Is he guilty or desperate to keep his votes coming?

Let us all go back to basics. Hillary has proven that he is strong and will not be swayed no matter how hard the odds are. Who takes care of the family when they are sick? Who secures the family in times of crisis? Men pretend to be strong, but understand what their weaknesses are. Any successful and strong man is supported by a stronger woman. Ladies, I am appealing to you….vote for Hillary and let her take

care of it. Foreign policy is not our foremost agenda as of this moment. Put our subjective views on the side because Obama will not make it. He is a weaker candidate. He may be a man of charisma with no substance. Vote for Hillary and we will be better off! Wasn’t your mother there when you needed her?

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Yellow Sapphire — Sat, 17 May 2008 08:14:00 GMT

Let us all go back to basics. Hillary has proven that she is strong and will not be swayed no matter how hard the odds are. Who takes care of the family when they are sick? Who secures the family in times of crisis? Men pretend to be strong, but understand what their weaknesses are. Any successful and strong man is supported by a stronger woman. Ladies, I am appealing to you….vote for Hillary and let her take care of it. Foreign policy is not our foremost agenda as of this moment. I do not care foreign poliy if my kids and family are not making our ends meet. The gas is high, food prices have soared, yet salaries are still the same. Put our subjective views on the side because Obama will not make it. He is a weaker candidate. He may be a man of charisma with no substance. Vote for Hillary and we will be better off! Wasn’t your mother there when you needed her?

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Yellow Sapphire — Sat, 17 May 2008 08:39:12 GMT

AHHH....AND....AHHH...AND....AHHHHH....AND....AHHH....AND.....

c'mon say it! Is this the kind that you want for president?

This is all I hear prominently from Obama everytime he talks on TV, defending himself.... And of course, he sounds different when he has a prepared speech and gets excited about his primary win....

First of all his agenda is not clear or does not have any substance at all. He is arrogant and thinks he is cute.....very self-consoius and selfish. He does not deserve to become the nominee because Republicans will use his inexperienced and stuttering nature against him.. Vote a stronger candidate. Vote for Hillary and America will be better off.

Didn't you know that Indonesia is the most Muslim country in Southeast Asia? I hope you will do your research before nominating a candidate. I want a president whose agenda is for the welfare of Americans. This is our first priority. Looks and charisma are nothing without substance and a stong agenda for our country. Why would you choose a candidate to go against Republicans who is a weakling and doomed to lose?

I do not vote for Obama and McCain. But will for Clinton or any Democrat like Clinton, when we had the sweetest days in our lives.

By the way; LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PRSIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!

No thanks....i am of German origin but will not take a terrorist sounding name to represent me....

Think Hillary!!!! and give her a chance...

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concerned grammy — Sat, 17 May 2008 09:11:07 GMT

We tell our children to try and settle arguments with words and not fists or weapons. Now as old weary and disgruntled adults (especially white men), the first thing we want to do is out shoot, out talk and out shove. Jesus said if our enemy slaps us, we should turn the other cheek. NOOOO!!! we don't have to become patsies, but can't we at least TALK out some of our differences with those we perceive as enemies. Gosh, no wonder the school yards, and malls are filling with dead bodies of our young children, killed by other young children. We adults are not setting the right example. Grow up, if you don't to play fair or at least talk about it, take your marbles and go home. Let's just for once give PEACE A CHANCE, remember the chant from the sixties?

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mnash — Sat, 17 May 2008 10:13:17 GMT

I think Obama will do just fine.

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abuadam — Sat, 17 May 2008 10:26:35 GMT

Yellow Sapphire, Obama has been the front-runner since almost half-way through this race. He has risen from obscurity to almost becoming the Democratic nominee. All his opponents are allot more experienced than him and have dropped out of the race, with the exception of one who is in a lose-lose situation right now but is living in denial. To achieve so much in such little time, says allot about the man. In 22 debates against more experienced politicians he proved himself to be a formidable candidate.

Your point about "young voters", you're trying to say that their vote doesn't count? According to you, "these group of voters do not even know how to manage their lives and finances". Well first of all, your constitution gives them the right to vote. Secondly, your fore-fathers who wrote the constitution, if they thought that a young person was not in a position to chose their President, they would've raised the age-limit. Young voters are allot more smarter than you think.

How can you say that Hillary is a better choice? She LIED about her experience in Tuzla, Bosnia saying that she "landed under sniper fire" and that they had to duck and run for cover and that there was no welcoming committie. The truth is that there was no sniper fire, she was welcomed by the then acting President, there was an eight year old girl who read her a poem and the US military was there too. After her LIE was exposed, she said that she mis-spoke, which was also a LIE because she had made this claim 3 (THREE) times - Dec 2007, Feb 2008 and the third time on 17 April, 2008. Such a claim was also an insult to the military who would NEVER let the First Lady be in harms' way. How can she be trusted when she LIES to the American people and how can she be the Commander-In-Chief when she insults her own military? She talks about her Universal Health Care Program. Well, she tried to come up with one during her husbands Presidency (who by the way is another liar. He lied under oath as President, about his affair with Monika Lewinsky) and failed badly. She was very much in favour of NAFTA and as recently as 2004, said that NAFTA has been good for the US. She conveniently went against it during her campaign. She flip-flops. She's been accepting donations from Lobbyists and had the gall and cheek to call Obama an elitist. Her exact words in one of her interviews with Bill O'Reilly, "The rich people, God bless us....." And she called Obama an elitist? This interview "Rich people,God bless us" is on Youtube. Also, please watch "Hillary Clinton's lies" (it's unedited) and "The shocking video that Hillary does NOT want you to see". You say, "I think Hillary is in a better position to manage our economy". Well, don't forget, her point about "gas-tax holiday" was highly critisized by the top economists of your country. Obama is against gas tax hoilday. This was her last attempt at beating Obama but this tactic (apart from her other dirty tactics) did not work. You say, "Think of her as a mother, who does the budget at home", excuse me, Hillary coudn't manage her own campaign budget (she's 20,000,000 dollars in debt), you expect her to manage your country's budget?

In the end, I urge you to look at the facts, watch the affore-mentioned vidoes on youtube and then decide who can be the best candidate.

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pasteeater — Sat, 17 May 2008 11:41:54 GMT

it seems like she has to stay in till she can pay herself back the money she lent the campaign. i dont know what/if any deal has been brokered with obama but if she stays in the race while supporting obama and then gets the vp slot it will work well for the dems. if she appears to be slighted by obama it will hurt in the fall. just my opinion

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Advocate 4 Obama — Sat, 17 May 2008 11:47:39 GMT

“Yellow Sapphire” based on your post dated “May 17, 2008 at 4:14 AM” you must be out of your mind. Many of your assertions are completely ridiculous. As such I will go through some of them and explain why.

Comment #(1), you said “ Senator Obama is still a "baby" in politics and will not get the support of many, lest the young.” If Senator Obama is such a “baby” in politics how did he manage to come out of no were and put one of the best and experienced political machines America has ever seen i.e. the Bill and Hillary Clinton political machine over his knee and spank their political rump so quickly. Yep, sure sounds like he is a political “baby” to me. Get Over It!

Comment # (2), you said “….. these groups of voters (talking about the young) do not even know how to manage their lives and finances, and a majority of them are carried away by their own “world and beliefs” and mostly, some kind of peer pressure.” Well my youth bashing friend I am one of those young voters and proud of it and when I see your so called “experienced” and “ready to lead on day one candidate” Hillary Clinton start off her campaign with millions of dollars in the bank and every possible advantage and then, I look at her campaign now some $21 million dollars in the hole I can say on good authority that your comments about us young people are more hypocritical than factual and probably evidences senility on your part.

Comment #(3) You said, “…Hillary is in a better position to manage our economy and deal what is best for us.” “Think of her as a mother, who does the budget at home and look after the family’s welfare…from what food that we eat on the table, children’s education, and family security. Isn’t this what we want? In answer to your question Absolutely Not! We do not want a Mother managing our nation’s family budget with the same carelessness that she managed her campaign finances. For example staying in 5 Star Hotels like the Bellagio in Las Vegas with each villa featuring its own private terrace and pool, private butler service and private limousine entrance. Running up dinner tabs of $1,530 and up by ordering entrees like steaks, salmon, Maine scallops, lobster pappardelle, sashimi and rock shrimp. Again I say. Absolutely Not! We do not want this at all. What kind of Mother would live so lavishly at the expense of bankrupting the family budget to the tune of $21 Million dollars as of this posting? We’ve already had George W. Bush and the Republican Congress doing a wonderful job at this type of budgeting and money management for four or five years. W hat we really want is ……….CHANGE!

Comment #(4) You said, “He (Obama)is a weaker candidate.” In response to this assertion it is nothing more than sophistry on your part as you need look no further than the only true measure of the nomination campaign i.e. the delegate count and you will find that Senator Obama is mathematically the “Superior Candidate” and there is no argument that you can make to the contrary. You can also review my response from Comment #(1) in this posting for added support.

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Mariea — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:39:12 GMT

hillary ladies will support her to the end and they will boycot &none of them will vote for obama. he is a jerk he should not even be a senetor/

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pugs — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:39:54 GMT

I am a Democrate and many of my freinds and I will be voting McCain if Obama is on the ticket. Say whatever you want!!!

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Mariea — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:40:25 GMT

obama boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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markf1966 — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:27:06 GMT

"Pugs" are ugly little dogs with low intelligence and drool a lot. mmmm that´s about right then. You would rather have an unintelligent warmonger with the persona of a wet lettuce and a mental capacity just slightly higher ( mmm here we go again ), than an intelligent, articulate black man with ideals promoting change in a corrupt pocket lining neo-facist country. One of the 51 % ers then.

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elmo11199 — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:33:37 GMT

I can see the media is still sucking up to Obama.Some things never change.Why do you fail to mention all his so called friends,like Larry Sinclair,Bill Ayers,and Tony Rezco.Afraid of the truth.What are you people getting from him,buy not ever queationing him.

I have voted democratic for the last 40 years,but that will come to an abrupt halt this election.Obama would never get my vote,even if he were the only one running.He hasn't earned it.I will change partiesin June to independent and vote for John McCain in novemember.

I'm also had it with Howard Dean and the DNC.

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:38:53 GMT

As an Obama supporter (from the very first) I respectfully ask all Democrats to unite and support our candidate.

Frankly, the venom voiced here against Senator Obama is pretty hard to understand. While I do not support Senator Clinton, there are many things to admire about her. To say that she is intelligent is an understatement and her energy and dedication are admirable. Having said that, I do think that she made many mistakes in this campaign, and those mistakes, and those alone are responsible for her campaign unraveling. My intention here is not to pile on. I'm just trying to be objective, as objective as I can be. But I find it hard to take when her supporters, who I admire too for their loyalty and dedication to her, threaten to vote Republican or boycott the GE altogether.

I ask honestly -- what is that supposed to achieve? Do you honestly want the same shameful policies of the last 8 yrs to continue, because your candidate lost this contest? I don't believe for one minute that Sen Clinton would want that, and I have a feeling that deep down inside you don't want that either. I can understand your disappointment with the results -(and I hope I don't sound patronizing)- but please, it's time to help each other. The fact is, and I know you know this, we have so much in common -- much more than we have different.

Can I just add one thing here - and I honestly say this respect, so I hope it is taken as such: the attitude of Clinton supporters ---- the vitriol and nastiness and threatening to withhold support for Senator Obama -- is something that the supporters of Senator Obama find hard to take - and have for a long time. I say this, because I have read so many comments from Sen Clinton supporters complaining about the way they (and Sen Clinton) have been treated by the opposition. I agree, I think a lot of the things I have read from Sen Obama's supporters (and others) are shameful and unnecessary. But I have to say, that I think a lot of the comments from Hillary supporters are just as bad. My point is -- the nastiness comes from both sides. Isn't it time for it to stop? It's so disheartening to me (and to a lot of other people I have talked to) -- and it saddens us that it has reached this level.

Thanks for letting me have my say -- I sincerely ask for your help in electing Sen Obama the next President of the United States.

Women for Obama '08

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A Believer — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:41:45 GMT

I will be writing in Hillary Clinton on my ballot in Nov. if she is not the nominee. No way I vote for McCain or Obama. To old and to inexperienced. I will not be a part of voting for anyone who cannot help this country. Oklahoma's governor is a joke, as Okla. voted big for Hillary and he is supporting Obama. Go figure. Not the will of the Okla. people for sure. He will not get any votes from this house again. Go Hillary and don't give up. We are here for you.

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A Believer — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:45:25 GMT

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notroubleatall1963 — Sat, 17 May 2008 13:59:26 GMT

Dudes, the media is not sucking up to Obama. He's the winner. If Hillary had won as many delegates and states' primaries by May 1, say, she too would be highlighting the pages of Newsweek etc.

Let's all unite against the dopey ol' McCain (I say this w/ some affection and respect for a war hero), because he is, if possible, an even POORER communicator than Bush Jr. (if that were even comprehensible), and he in infitinitely weaker on just about every score, having tied himself to Bush.

To those of you 'sour grapes' Hillary supporters, or who fervently believe McCain would be a better choice, I urge you to take your heroine's example and support your party, not your peevishness.

Cheers - Women for Obama! Wellesley Grads for Obama 08!!

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neos — Sat, 17 May 2008 14:11:41 GMT

As part of her classy exit it would be nice if Senator Clinton would start to reel in those of her supporters who vow to vote for Senator McCain. She needs to read her own campaign website blogs - an intense and somewhat creepy place where those who have turned a political campaign into a personality cult dwell seemingly unsupervised. Step in Hillary and show them the way or the ideals you claim to hold dear will be trampled under a Republican victory this Fall. On the issues, senators Clinton and Obama are 90+% alike and miles apart from Senator McCain. Those Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain should closely examine their true motives.

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dmanny73 — Sat, 17 May 2008 14:32:40 GMT

Mrs Clinton is very classy. She is the best candidate by far. I do not trust voting for Obama. I will write in Hillary Clinton. I hope she runs as independent and we'll see then who wins. Obama doesn't stand a chance. I know for sure than Ron Paul will be drawing alot of votes as well. Time is running out Obama. Get out while you can.

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GoObama — Sat, 17 May 2008 14:52:19 GMT

A Believer - By saying "I will not be a part of voting for anyone who cannot help this country," you actually will be doing just that by voting Hillary Clinton. She will not get enough votes to become the president even if we want her to. So voting for her may just put someone in the White House that you really would not want there.

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 15:03:39 GMT

To neos: Some things are bigger than party unity, like womens rights, stolen elections, etc. While we may support Hillary, no one can assume that it is her fault that we will not "roll over" because Hillary or anyone else wants us to. It is your independent right to vote for the best candidate. If Hillary is out of the race, anyone who supported her has the right to take a new look at all candidates and things sure look different this year. There are all kinds of party lines being crossed this year and that is okay. This election is much bigger than party lines, and you cannot say it is bitter lemons or sore losers or anything like that. We have the right to choose just like you do and that does not make us unloyal partiests or anything along those lines. Party affiliation, which usually counts for a lot, caries absolutely no weight in this election,

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NHBob — Sat, 17 May 2008 15:23:54 GMT

EIRE52....YOU SAID IT ALL, AND BETTER THAN I DID.

IF WE WANT A GOOD FUTURE IN THIS COUNTRY WE ALL (NOT JUST POLITICIANS) HAVE TO MAKE TRUTHFUL DECISIONS BASED IN ACTUAL TRUTH. IT NEEDS TO BEGIN SOMEWHERE AND IF THE POLITICIANS ARE PUTTING THEIR SELF INTERESTS FIRST IN THEIR DECISION MAKING THEN THAT ONLY LEAVES US TO START PUTTING OTHERS FIRST IN OUR DAILY LIVES.

WE'VE ALL BEEN BURNED SO MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS BY PUTTING OURSELVES OUT THERE AND GETTING STRUCK DOWN FOR IT. ANYONE WHO IS TRULY LOOKING TO DO GOOD BY OTHERS IS CONSTANTLY FIGHTING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. MOST OF US CHOOSE THE EASIER ROAD AND DECIDE TO LOOK OUT FOR NUMBER ONE. YOU NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, YES, BUT WE SHOULD NOT GIVE UP ENTIRELY ON TRYING FOR OTHERS, BECAUSE AS WE GIVE UP, WE GRADUALLY LOSE MORE OF OUR SPIRIT. AND THINGS OUTSIDE OURSELVES, LEFT TO THEMSELVES SEEM TO GO TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. AND WE EVENTUALLY WILL BECOME BEHOLDEN TO CONTROLLING FORCES (MONEY) SIMILAR TO THE SERFS OF THE PAST. HELL WE ARE ALREADY ON OUR WAY. WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN UP MOST OF OUR CONTROL AND LOOK TO A FEW POLITICIANS TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. OUR FUTURE IS ULTIMATELY NOT IN THE HANDS OF OUR POLITICIANS TODAY, IT IS IN THE HANDS OF US, NOW, IN THE MOMENT. LIVE IN THE PRESENT AND MAKE CHOICES THAT ARE GOOD FOR ALL OF US...NOT JUST YOURSELF...IT COLLECTIVELY WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I'M NOT SAYING THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND. I'M SAYING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AFFECT. IN TIME IT WILL GROW EXPONENTIALLY MUCH LIKE THE LOOKING OUT FOR NUMBER ONE CHOICE HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS. IT WILL BE A LONG EFFORT BUT MAYBE THAT IS WHY WE CHOOSE NOT TO TRY AND LOOK TO POLITICIANS TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.

I'M NOT SAYING--VOTE FOR OBAMA--- I'M SAYING LOOK AT THE POSITIVES THAT ARE BASED IN TRUTH, FIND AS MUCH TRUTH AS POSSIBLE, ALL SIDES, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC AND JUST VOTE YOUR GUT. IF THE POSITIVES ARE TRULY BASED IN TRUTH FOCUS ON THAT RATHER THAN THE NEGATIVES. WHICH ARE USUALLY BASED IN FEAR, EMOTION AND ARE FALSE. WHY WASTE THE FOCUS ON NEGATIVES WHEN THE POSITIVES CAN LEAD TO SO MUCH MORE. AS A SOCIETY ANY TRUTH IN NEGATIVES WILL COME TO THE SURFACE ON THEIR OWN. THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR THEM OR DWELL ON THEM. IT IS WHAT IT IS. NOT ONE OF US IS PERFECT. MAKE A simple INFORMED POSITIVE DECISION BASED IN TRUTH. THAT FOR ME IS TO, RIGHT NOW, IN THE PRESENT GET OFF THIS COMPUTER AND GO AFFECT AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE'S LIVES IN A POSITIVE MANNER BY PHYSICALLY DOING SOMETHING FOR THEM TODAY. KEEP A CASUAL EYE ON THE POSITIVE THINGS IN POLITICS AND HOPE THAT BY DOING THE FIRST WILL PUT MORE TRUTH AND CONSCIOUSNESS INTO THE LIVES OF PEOPLE AROUND ME. IT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR..TO LIVE FOR, WORK FOR AND ENJOY THE PEOPLE AROUND US. IF ANYTHING THE PEOPLE AROUND ME WILL BENEFIT EVEN IF THE REST OF SOCIETY CONTINUES IN A DIRECTION AWAY FROM THAT. I'M OFF TO THE FIRST PERSON.....

p.s. IT'S LIKE I TELL MY KIDS. IF I CHOOSE TO COME HOME EVERYDAY AND TAKE MY CLOTHES OFF AND THROW THEM ON THE FLOOR, AFTER TIME, I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MESS THAT'S HARD TO MOVE AROUND IN. THE LONGER THIS HAPPENS THE BIGGER THE MESS. THEY SHOULD GRASP THAT A LITTLE EFFORT IN THE PRESENT AVOIDS A MESS ALTOGETHER. THAT THE LONGER I CHOOSE TO DO NOTHING, THE BIGGER THE MESS AND THE LONGER AND MORE DIFFICULT IT IS TO CLEAN IT UP AND GET IT BACK TO THE WAY IS WAS WHEN IT WAS CLEAN. I'M SURE SOME OF US WOULD PROBABLY CHOOSE TO JUST LIVE IN THE MESS, BUT IF OVER TIME YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, THE MESS WILL JUST KEEP GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO LOOK TO THE PRESIDENT TO COME CLEAN IT UP. I MIGHT ASK FOR SOME HELP TO GET IT CLEANED UP FROM SOMEONE IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES IN EXCHANGE FOR HELPING THEM.

THAT DESERVES A REPOST:

EIRE52

As an Obama supporter (from the very first) I respectfully ask all Democrats to unite and support our candidate.

Thanks for letting me have my say -- I sincerely ask for your help in electing Sen Obama the next President of the United States.

Women for Obama '08

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

clueless — Sat, 17 May 2008 15:54:38 GMT

Sure its eveyone options to vote for whomever they please but how many will vote on the issues rather than ones color or the gender and in the end cut their own throat.One thing struck me about Obama is he will tell the truth not pander to people to get their vote, when asked by the the steel workers in Pa. and the woman in Pa. who had seen her job outsourced to India and if elected if he would bring those jobs back,how easy it would have been to assure them that if they voted for him and he was elected he would bring those jobs back full well knowing it wouldn't happen but he told them the truth like it or not that no those jobs likly would not come back that new jobs must be created.

To me that is the mark of a man the mark of a true candidate and why he will get our vote....

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 16:19:00 GMT

To Vakosh:

Are you implying that this election has somehow been 'stolen' from Senator Clinton? If you are referencing the FL and MI votes, let's take a minute to review what happened. Last year, when the DNC made clear what would happen if those primaries were to be moved up, against the rules I should add, all the candidates then running agreed with that decision. All of them. There was not a voice of protest - from anyone. When it appeared that those votes would be crucial to Sen Clinton's hopes of winning the nomination --- there was suddenly an uproar about it. Then and only then were there claims of disenfranshisement of voters. And isn't it curious that Mr. Ickes, who works for Sen Clinton, sat on the committee that made the decision as to what would happen? Why don't you ask him why he voted to approve the penalty against MI and FL? And that Terry McCauliffe, when he was DNC chairman, warned a state (which one I can't remember ) that the same kind of penalty would be imposed should they move their primary without party permission. So the logical question is this: why now? Why the uproar now? And why the effort to blame Sen Obama (yes, as Bill Clinton and others are still trying to do) - when he had nothing more to do with it than any other candidate. It is not Sen Obama who blocked the MI revote -- ask the state legislature why they didn't approve. He has stated time and again that he too wants those delegates seated - in a fair way. Is that unreasonable? Is that too much to ask? And despite Bill Clinton's claims - Sen Obama did not campaign in FL. He bought a block of national cable time (after asking the DNC's permission - because the campaign knew that the ads would spill over in FL - nothing they could do about it) -- and to mention his campaigning in S. Georgia -- so? What does GA have to do with campaigning in FL? Sorry, I got off subject a little here. I'm sorry - but this argument is ridiculous. Noone wants any votes discounted; or any voters disenfranchised. But to be honest -- where were the FL and MI democratic voters LAST year? Why weren't their voices heard then?

As to sexism -- I'm sorry, I don't see it. If you are referring to the NARAL endorsement - as you stated so eloquently -- each person is free to endorse and vote for whomever they want. NARAL vetted by Sens Clinton and Obama. They had identical ratings from that organization. So if, in their gut or judgment, they felt Sen Obama is the better candidate - where is the sexism? And as for comments about Hillary's appearance - from her hair down to her shoes - and so on -- the same kind of comments have been made about Sen Obama - from his suits to his work out clothes -- and I think you know that. Look, unfortunately, there are people in this country who just are not going to vote for a woman ---- period. Is that sexism? Probably. But I think you have to admit -- that Sen Clinton would not be where she is if sexism is as pervasive as you claim. Do we have a long way to go? You bet! Just as we have a long way to go before racism is a thing of the past, and ageism, and looking past a disabled person's disability -- and on and on it goes.

You are totally right of course, each person has to make the choice that is best for her/him. And if it means crossing party lines - so be it. But I (and I think I can safely say -- millions of others) are saddened to think that NOT voting for Sen Obama (if in fact, as it seems clear now he will be the nominee), is a desire to punish; either Sen Obama himself (unfairly I would think) or the Democratic Party.

That truly would be tragic -- and self defeating.

Respectfully,

Women for Obama '08

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dmanny73 — Sat, 17 May 2008 16:34:43 GMT

We have no choice but to count FLorida and Michigan when the race is so close. It would be the other way around if Obama was the underdog. Get realistic. Yes they broke the rules but everyone's vote should count.

ALso race and gender has played an issue and if Obama gets nominated it will be a race issue. White will win the majority. Even if we have had 8 rough years. What is for more. Obama will never get my vote and i know many others that feel the same.

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vane — Sat, 17 May 2008 16:38:20 GMT

OBAMA"OBAMA"...WOW!!

IF THAT HAPPENS I THINK WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE..WHAT CHANGE IS THERE? I HAVEN'T HEARD OR SEEN SH......T THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL SAFE. ALL I HEAR IS BLAH BLAH...A MR. KNOW IT ALL, ALL I HERE ABOUT IS THE CRITICISM, AND IGNORNTE COMMENTS THESE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT HILLARY, JUST TO TRY TO BREAK HER. BUT GUESS WHAT!! THEY ARE SCARED TO HAVE A STRONG WOMEN WHO HAS BIG BALLS TO FIGHT ALL THE WAY, SINCE NO OTHER MAN HAS GONE SO FAR..HUM?SHE IS GOING ALL THE WAY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, SHE IS A MOTHER, SOME ONE WHO WILL LOVE AND CARE FOR HER PEOPLE AN HER COUNTRY, , MORE THAN A MAN WOULD DO, I COMPLETLY AGREE WITH THE PERSON WHO WROTE BELOW ME.

WHY HAVE A (MALE) PRESIDENT WITH NO EXPERIENCE, WHO HAS OPRA AND OTHER FAMOUS RICH PEOPLE BEHIND HIM, OVER A WOMEN WHO IS NURTURING, STRONG, SMART AND HAS A BIG PART OF BACK UP BEHIND HER TO HELP FIX THIS COUNTRY, WE NEED 2 PEOPLE TO HELP FIX THIS COUNTRY. THE CINTON'S ARE TAKING IT ALL THE WAY, WITH MONEY OR NOT.. PEOPLE ARE SPECKING OUT!

I THINK SHE IS MORE CAPABLE TO FIX THIS COUNTRY,IF WE WEREN'T IN THIS SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN. WHICH WE NOW HAVE A LIMIT IN PURCHASING RICE, BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS SO BAD, WHATS NEXT, (BREAD)? ARE WE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BREAD IN THIS COUNTRY. HUM??

I GUESS MONEY IS EVERYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS....HUM??? PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OUT!! TO ME HILLARY IS FIGHTING HARD AND I THINK WITH HER EVEN PAYING FOR THIS ELECTION HER SELF ,MAKE ME BELIVE THAT SHE HAS BALLS FOR WHAT SHE BELLIVES IN AND BELIEVES IN HER SELF TO WIN.. SO I APROVE THIS MESSAGE !! GO HILLARY !! WHOO HOO!!

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT HAVING A NON EXPERIENCE PERSON WHO HASN'T PROVED ***....IS CAPABLE TO RUN THE WHITE HOUSE..WOW !! I GUESS MY DAUGHTER AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STARVE TO DEATH AS THE ECONOMY KEEPS GOING THE WAY IT IS.I GUESS ITS ALL ABOUT THE RICH PEOPLE VERSES THE MIDDLE CLASS.PEOPLES WHO'S VOTE DON'T MATTER. I GET IT NOW...

KEEP IN MIND THAT IN SOUTH AMERICA (CHILE) HAS THERE FIRST WOMEN PRESIDENT , LET ME TELL YOU THAT IS THE ONE COUNTRY WHO HAS THE BEST ECONOMY SITUATION IN SOUTH AMERICA AND THAT COUNTRY IS DOING REALLY WELL.

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dmanny73 — Sat, 17 May 2008 16:47:41 GMT

Ron Paul will get my vote before Obama any day. The Obamas are already thinking they have it won. Just remember this come November. The independent party will sway many voters their way. Remember the 92 election with Ross Perot. We are in a worse decade now and there are alot of hurt Hillary voters. Florida and Michigan especially. Do we not think it has angered them that America does not want their vote to count.

Throw in the towel Obama. Let a woman clean up the mess the right way. The clean way.

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mobaxter — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:15:19 GMT

I hope Clinton who speak with fork tongue is not thinking vice pres..

We should not count Florida and Michigan delegate. They broke DNC law.s

OBAMA should say what he means.

McCain for McCain French Fries. We should not worry about his age?

BUT WHO WILL BE PRES> AND Vice Pres.???????????????

But we should worry who will be senators and congressmen/women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But vote this general election that should be our exit plan to replace Bush and get lower prices / taxes

We need a strong America and smaller Govt.

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:17:20 GMT

Vane:

I am not a rich person. In fact, I am a white middle-class woman who has been unemployed for several months (I am happy to say that I will be starting a part-time job next month). But even today, I am sitting here wondering how we are going to buy groceries next week, and pay some bills. I have 2 children and an elderly, disabled mother who lives with us --but none of this should matter.

And please don't shout -- if that's what all the caps are for. I have been trying to be respectful here -- and I for one would appreciate the same back. As for experience -- what experience does Hillary have over Barack Obama? In fact, Barack Obama has held elective office longer than Hillary Clinton has - he was an Illinois State Legistator before he was a US Senator. And he also has 20 years experience as a community organizer, a civil rights atty and a law school lecturer in Chicago. And, if are truly interested in facts, all his legislative records can be researched. So frankly, I would match his experience against hers. I don't want to be rude here --- but she is older than he is - by about 15 yrs, so naturally, her work experience would be longer .

And no mam, I am not afraid of a strong woman. I would like to think of myself as being fairly strong and my mother is the strongest, most intelligent, hardest working woman (despite her illness) I know. She is my role model, and I hope one day, I can say that I am like my mother. I AM leary of someone, woman or not, who has been shown to be dishonest in this campaign, who has no qualms about 'throwing the kitchen sink' at another candidate, who has flip flopped (more than once) -- (can you say NAFTA?) in this campaign and has shown that she is wiling to do whatever it takes to win -- again, I go back to her being duplicitous and lying. Sorry, no, not the candidate for me. And please explain -- what in the world does Oprah have to do with it? But just so you know - I can list some of the rich and famous people supporting Hillary - people like Jack Nicholson and Rob Reiner and Ted Danson, etc. So what? Are they running too? Good Lord!!!!

And I don't know if you noticed -- but Hillary and Bill Clinton are 2 of those 'rich people' you are screaming about. One of the reasons why Sen Clinton's campaign is now broke -- is because she relied too heavily on 'all those rich people' for donations -- now they are tapped out and can't give her any more money. So maybe you are right to scream about this. Either way -- if you are interested in facts at all -- Senator Obama has not relied on wealthy donors (as Hillary has), but instead on people like me - who can give $25 (sometimes less) at a time.

I am so sick of this being a man against a woman issue. But since you brought it up - Senator Obama certainly seems to be a loving husband and devoted father to his 2 daughters. And he talks lovingly about his mother-- who, in case you forgot, was a single white woman who brought up her son (w/the help from her parents) not in privilege -- but sometimes in poverty. He is not a son of privilege as a lot of people would have you believe. He was able to go to good schools because he worked hard and was awarded scholarships to help him do so. Isn't that the American way? That hard work is rewarded?

But your comments mam, are exactly what I am talking about. They are full of half truths and, I have to say, nonsense. I'm sorry - I know that sounds bad -- but really. With all due respect, I think you need to check some facts here.

I know I 'm probably not going to change your mind here mam, but I want to close with this.

As I said before, I am trying to be respectful here to everyone -- please extend that same courtesy to me - and everyone else.

Respectfully,

Women for Obama '08

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

valark — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:18:18 GMT

"But I (and I think I can safely say -- millions of others) are saddened to think that NOT voting for Sen Obama (if in fact, as it seems clear now he will be the nominee), is a desire to punish; either Sen Obama himself (unfairly I would think) or the Democratic Party.

That truly would be tragic -- and self defeating."

No, It is called freedom of choice. The freedom to vote for who you want. The fact that McCain is more appealing than Obama for whatever reason is an issue, the person claiming this view is merely expressing their freedom to choose. It is the DNC who should be working on dismissing these concerns.

It is a valid concern of many of my Democratic friends that although Obama may secure the nomination, that he can not win in November. The same friends have similar concerns about Clinton if somehow she got the nomination. Nothing they read talks about anything valid. Just emotional guilt trips and "gotchas" by their fellow party members.

None of your party leaders step up and say what needs to be said to rally everyone. They don't make a case by the issues. They tell them how dare they think the way they do and how horrid it is if they vote how they would like, regardless of the reasoning. It is a strange passive-aggressive argument to make to a voter you want to keep.

Watching these things from the Republican side, it amazes me that it is likely that your media pundits and DNC have come really close to tossing away an election where it was practically a giveaway to your party a year ago.

If you don't read anything else I say: Please at least give my Democratic friends a reason to vote Obama aside from it is good for the party or what have you. If you want their vote, their passion, their pride...to obtain their allegience, then don't shame them, encourage them.

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NHBob — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:30:35 GMT

sorry, I was printing a quick reminder to post on fridge for daughter's dentist appointment and wasn't paying attention to cap lock. didn't mean to shout ....except this....EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT SUMMER!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

dunnhaupt — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:31:50 GMT

There many words that could describe Mrs. Clinton -- columnist Ellen Goodman compared her to food poisoning ten years ago -- but nobody has ever accused her of being classy until now. Even as a First Lady, the people in her circle used entirely different expressions to describe her.

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:32:30 GMT

Valark:

My point was, and I maybe I didn't phrase it correctly, that of course everyone should vote for whomever they think is the best candidate - regardless of party affiliation.

What I was trying to say, and perhaps badly, is that so many people, because they are disappointed or angry, are voting for a candidate from another party -- simply as a way to punish (there own party or the candidate they did not support). They are not crossing party lines because they agree and/or support the other candidate.

And you pointed out something else that I think really needs to be said. That it has come down to insult throwing and 'dissing' of the other candidate - not pointing out why the candidate of their choice should be the nominee.

And if you take these 2 things together -- I think it's self defeating. Because in the end, these people will still be angry and disappointed -- and nothing at all will be accomplished.

I hope I have expressed myself clearer -- thanks for making these points -

Women for Obama '08

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:37:59 GMT

Let's see ... Kennedy, Pelosi, Dean, Daschle, Edwards, Dodd, and so on and so on have made it CRYSTAL clear that they do not want or need Hillary or anyone who supports her. She would never be considered on a ticket with the great and almighty. So please explain to me if they feel that way, why in the world would they want our votes? They are basically saying if you are not for Barack Obama than just go away and go away we will. We did not turn away from the party, the party turned us away. You cannot have party heads make the kinds of coments they did and turn around then and ask for support. Party unity ........ what a joke .... they dug their own graves. I will take a certain satisfaction in watching them all go down, one by stinking one.

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:45:25 GMT

Thank you to one of the people who posted here earlier who was very complimentary to me:

I'm not sure of the poster's name -- but thank your for your kind comments. I appreciate it.

Hope everyone has a good weekend ---

Women for Obama '08!

(I believe that this man has shown good judgment (I like his response to Pres Bush and Sen McCain re: Bush's 'appeasement' speech); I like his willingness to be flexible, I like his calm demeanor -- I believe he will cool and calm under pressure). These are just some of the things that I admire! Food for thought ----

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:48:55 GMT

Vakosh -

How have they made it clear? I truly don't understand -- so many you can explain. How did the party turn away from you? When they did they say they that if you are not for Barack Obama, then go away? What comments are you talking about?

Please explain!

Obama '08

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:01:24 GMT

Pelosi - there will be no dream ticket

Kennedy - she does not fit with our message of change

Dean - we will not count Florida and Michigan

Dodd - she will not be on the ticket

and so on and so on

why would they want our votes if they feel that way about the person we support ... this implies to me you will get nothing you want .... but please, please vote for our candidate for party unity ... I have voted democrat for 25 years, I give money to the DNC and work at every election. I vote straight party lines all the time. This will be the first time in my life I will cross party lines, because I am getting the message loud and clear from the heads of the party that they do not want or need Hillary at all in the party, so if you could explain to me why I should vote democrat I would be more than happy to read your response. If your response involves party unity than I think we have covered that to a great extent.

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:30:22 GMT

I think that the republican attack machine will bring dems together. They will be so vicious in this general that we will set aside our diffs. I support Obama but i would not sit back a let them degrade Hillary if she is to be the nom.

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Mariea — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:33:08 GMT

hilllary would be a lot better then phoney obama. i beleive howard dean is wrong in not allowing florida votes or m. to count. its time for a women to run this great Country of ours. men have only made things worse .so hillary stay in there till the end. gee do u guys really feel obama sat in a church for 20 odd years and did not agree with rev wright or he did not know of bill maher bombings here in our Contry// his big mouth wife does not like america/as far as him being raised by a single mom what a joke his mom remarried guy from indonessia. obama has friends there ill bet//wake up. obama is a phoney he is no john kennedy by a long shot.

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HappyDay41 — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:36:20 GMT

Posted By: Eire52 (May 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM)

you asked when did the democratic party ever say to stay home?

Donna Brazille did in an email to a Clinton supporter. Brazille said, the "core: could stay home and suggested we go find someone to drink lattes with.

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HappyDay41 — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:38:49 GMT

Regarding the pic at the beginning of this article: I like how the graphics guy added not only wrinkles all over Hillary's face, but also, not one BUT TWO warts around her mouth!

Good thinking!

Just goes to show how much hatred there is for women by these boys in the media.

Must be suffering from small d*ck syndrome.

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:44:16 GMT

meanwhile we have 4 more years of Bush policy , higher gas prices, failing foreign policy and we continue to fight between ourselves while Mccain puts more conservative judges on the bench. I am voting obama or hillary i wont cut my nose off to spite my face

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HappyDay41 — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:45:45 GMT

Eire52:

you said: "And he talks lovingly about his mother-- who, in case you forgot, was a single white woman who brought up her son (w/the help from her parents) not in privilege -- but sometimes in poverty. He is not a son of privilege as a lot of people would have you believe. "

WRONG. He disowned his mother.

Abandoned her while she died of cancer (he was busy running for office)

He was raised, not by his poor single mom... she was remarried, and he chose to live with his grandmother, the VICE PRESIDENT of the bank of Hawaii... she sent him to the elite prepatory school where ambassadors, and rulers of japan went to... he did not live in poverty, he did not suffer discriminatoin (in Hawaii, his white grandmother was the minority).

So.. when you accuse others on here of lying, make sure you aren't lying yourself.

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:46:41 GMT

Pelosi - she was only voicing her 1 opinion - and if I remember correctly, she also said that it's very possible that she could be wrong - that, in fact, Sen Obama may in fact ask Sen Clinton to be on the ticket;

Kennedy - I never heard him say that; I have heard him say how much he admires the Clinton's and I have read and heard things that would lead me to believe that that relationship is still a relatively strong one;

Dean - He has never said we will not count FL and MI - he has never said that EVER!; whenever I have heard him speak about FL and MI, I have never heard him say anything remotely like that. In fact, everything that I have heard and read says that there are negotiations going on with BOTH Sen Clinton's and Sen Obama's campaigns as to how best resolve this.

Dodd - I have never heard him say that and if he did; is he not allowed to express an opinion, just ike you or I?

You know what? Anyone can express an opinion - that doesn't mean it's the official position of Senator Obama or his campaign. As far as Senator Clinton being on the ticket - I say let Hillary and Barack decide what they want to do. This is something that they should decide - not depend on what Nancy Pelosi thinks or Senator Dodd - or anyone else for that matter. So, I say, let them work it out. They both deserve that consideration.

To me, one of the most important considerations is foreign policy and the Iraq war. I do not trust Senator McCain. I am not willing to trust him to end this war anytime soon - and I'm not willing to sacrifice more lives. I just think he will continue Bush's polic y- and that is something I cannot and will not support. I know a lot has been said in recent days about Sen Obama "appeasing" our enemies. To be willing to talk to someone we don't agree with is not appeasement. And perhaps Pres Bush and John McCain should get a dictionary and look up what the word means. Frankly, Sen Obama and Defense Secretary Gates are basically saying the same thing - that lines of communication should be opened with Iran for ex. We have to talk to them - it's far betting than bombing them,

On Sen McCain's health care plan -- what health care plan? He basically really doesn't have one. There's not much to talk about. And you can say the same thing about his economic plan - do we really want the same tax cuts for the rich that we have had for 8 yrs? And that's just the start. There are so many stark differences between Sen Obama and Sen McCain. Differences that to me, make the choice so clear.

The fact is, Hillary Clinton is needed and wanted. Very much so. I may not have voted for her or support her candidacy, but her energy, her commitment, her intelligence - are all very much needed. They always will be. I hope that she remains a strong and vital force in the Democratic party for a long time.

Obama '08

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:54:06 GMT

Dont discard the idea that there are repubs writing on this and other blogs saying nasty things about Hillary and Obama as if they are supporters of either candidate.

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:56:07 GMT

Pelosi - there will be no dream ticket

Kennedy - she does not fit with our message of change

The comments below...come as a result of statements that Clinton made...these people communicate with Clinton...people do known what has been said in those conversations...

Dean - we will not count Florida and Michigan

The comments below from a post on the article...come as a result of statements that Clinton made...these people communicate with Clinton...people do known what has been said in those conversations...

Comment from post: Pelosi - there will be no dream ticket

Point: Early on Clinton implied that she will be on the ticket if she is on top (President). She is behind on all fronts, and is not in the top position...so she will not be on the ticket. If Clinton has said she is not interested in the VP...there is no dream ticket. By the way, this “dream team” does not exist...this is media spin and is nonexistent. Therefore, what Pelosi said is correct.

Comment from post: Kennedy - she does not fit with our message of change

Point: Clinton herself says that she does not agree with the message of change that millions of people are voting for. The key here is that many people want the lobbyists and deep pocket players to stop influencing our Government and our lives. Clinton said that she does not agree with this change. Therefore, what Kennedy said is true....

Comment from post: Dean - we will not count Florida and Michigan

Point: There are rules. The rule book is there to govern how the contests will be run. Florida and Michigan broke the rules. Why should the rules change? Florida and Michigan did not care about the people when they knowingly and willingly did not follow the rules...you do not change the rules in any game when a team breaks the rules. Therefore, what Dean said is correct...

Comment from post: Dodd - she will not be on the ticket

Point: Early on Clinton implied that she will be on the ticket if she is in the top spot (President). She is not in the top spot now, so she will not be in the president spot. That says to me that she will not be on the ticket. Therefore, what Dodd said is true.

I am a 57 year old woman that says these women make all women look bad...so it can be said that...Hillary Clinton’s impact on this contest was to leave behind a group of angry vindictive women to carry out seek and destroy missions.

It’s just sad....

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HappyDay41 — Sat, 17 May 2008 18:59:43 GMT

EIRE52

As an Obama supporter (from the very first) I respectfully ask all Democrats to unite and support our candidate.

Question, are you assuming your candidate is the nominee? Cause he isn't, he's just a candidate.

My real question is, if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee (which is still possible), are you going to ask all Democrats to unite and support our candidate?

just askin

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:01:21 GMT

Senator Obama never disowned his mother. EVER!!! And I know very well she died of cancer - he talks a lot about that period of time. I have heard him. I don't know where you got that from. But I can sure guess. He lived with his grandparents (his mother sent him to live with them) so that he could attend school - which he attended on a SCHOLARSHIP!!!. The fact that children of privilge went to the same school proves what? The fact that his grandmother had position in a bank - so? The fact is, they lived in a cramped high rise apartment in Hawaii; and yes actually while he was living with his mother, they relied on food stamps. These are all facts. And before his mother remarried -and Indonesian gentleman - she was a single mother. The fact is, she did not remarry until Barak was around 5 I believe.

I never once accused anyone of lying in my post earlier. I was simply pointing out some facts to make a point. However, you seem more interested in smearing people - me and Sen Obama. I can't speak for him - but I don't like being called a liar -- especially by someone who is so vile and hateful as you are. You aren't interested in discussion or facts -- you're just interested in hating!!!

I have tried being respectful to everyone on this post today -- you obviously are not interested in showing respect to people who disagree with you.

Just a note of advice: instead of smearing me (and by extension others) - fact check first. I would say you should be ashamed - but I doubt it would register with you.

Women for Obama '08

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Eire52 — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:06:59 GMT

HappyDay41

My mistake - I should have said, should he become the nominee. Thank you for pointing that out. Didn't mean to get ahead.

And the answer to your question is: Yes, I would ask all Democrats to unite and support our candidate -should Hillary be the nominee. Because I sincerely believe that it is important, vitally important, that the Democrats take back the White House.

Obama '08

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:09:30 GMT

Another war with Iran, 2 to 4 new conservative judges on the bench to overthrow roe vs wade, more tax cuts for the rich, THE ECONOMY STUPID, JUST LET THE REPUBS HAVE IT BECAUSE WE ARE UPSET WITH EACH OTHER. A every time we pull up to the pump in november remember how upset you are and who you voted for while you were MAD

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:14:54 GMT

HappyDay41:

I have read your post about disowning a mother...I too was away working when my mother died...so I guess you are saying that I disowned her....that's a lie...and a low blow...

Now you have my answer to your "just askin" question about your candidate...

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neos — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:27:03 GMT

As part of her classy exit it would be nice if Senator Clinton would start to reel in those of her supporters who vow to vote for Senator McCain. She needs to read her own campaign website blogs - a place where those who have turned a political campaign into a personality cult dwell seemingly unsupervised. Step in Hillary and show them the way or the ideals you claim to hold dear will be trampled under a Republican victory this Fall. On the iassues, senators Clinton and Obama are 90+% alike and miles apart from Senator McCain. Those Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain should closely examine and strive to overcome their true motives for not voting for Senator Obama.

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:42:44 GMT

It is not that simple. Hillary is not responsible for "reeling me in." I am an adult with my own ideas and thoughts and do not follow the person I vote for in cult type fashion. Party unity aside, I just do not see what you see, all I see is tall and charming.

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:45:34 GMT

IS OBAMA WINNING FAIR AND SQUARE? IF YES, THEN WHAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:47:25 GMT

Right back at you .... the war is a wash - no one can fix it, my healthcare is good, gas prices will stabilize along with the economy. I like the tax cuts and McCain is for counting Michigan and Florida ... I don't think I'm a democrat anymore, I think I'm a republican and just realized it.

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:47:26 GMT

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neos — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:48:51 GMT

If you can find it in your conscience to vote for McCain, instead of Obama with policies most similar to your candidate, then perhaps you have some other prejudices about Obama that you need to examine because your vote clearly has nothing to do with policies.

If so, I am asking you to please reassess this decision. Is your personal disappointment a good enough reason to allow Bush’s third term in office through McCain? To allow thousands of innocent Americans to continue to die in a war in Iraq that America had no business starting in the first place? To allow the possibility of more wars in places like Iran because of a foreign policy that is interested in war mongering and not in reasoned diplomacy? To allow American to continue being ridiculed and hated by the rest of the world? To allow flawed economic policies by someone like McCain who has confessed to not being any good in economics? To allow the packing of the Supreme Court with Justices who destroy everything Hillary stands for?

Surely your vote is worth more than a wasted choice made out of spite and anger, or even worse by personal prejudices that have wounded, pained and divided Americans for so many years.

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:52:16 GMT

The comments made by the party elders are just that, comments made by the party elders. The Clintons DID not make those statements. The party leders made those statements ... in doing so they turned us away. Even if they put her on the ticket now I will still vote for McCain. If women keep accepting second place, they will keep getting second place.

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:54:57 GMT

MAYBE YOU ARE A REPUB NOW VAKOSH BUT IF HILLARY WINS THEN ARE YOU BACK TO BEING A DEM --WISHY WASHY--

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:59:20 GMT

crijo:

The people in the United States are voting.....so I would say that the answer to you question is yes....

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:05:48 GMT

THANK YOU ECG3817 HE IS WINNING FAIR AND SQUARE. FOLLOWING EVERY RULE THAT HAS BEEN PUT BEFORE HIM. SO WHY THE ANGER AND THE THREATS TO VOTE REPUB. MAY IT SOME OTHER REASON YOU TURN REPUB IT IS CERTAINLY NOT MCCAINS POLICIES. ECG3817 -WE ARE MUTUAL -YOU ARE MY BUDDY

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:11:48 GMT

No, I think I'm done either way, even if Hillary could pull it out, I think I'm a rebulican and just realized it. Don't like that they can count states out, don't like the supers, Just realized my daughter's Brownie troup is more organized that the national party I belong to and that gives me great pause for concern all the way round. I would have never questioned it, never even looked at it, but now that it is out there on the table, it forces you to take a good hard look at what you really believe in. That does not make me racist, I just see him as an empty suit and can't bring myself to vote for someone I don't really believe in, for party unity, or democratic principles which no longer hold any water for me.

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:18:46 GMT

GOOD LUCK VAKOSH YOU HAVE FOUND YOUR VOICE. NOW LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE SO WE CAN UNITE AND WIN IN NOVEMBER

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neos — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:19:06 GMT

vakosh, I think you were always a republican. It's republicans who say things like "My healthcare is good," - leaving unsaid of course "to hell with other people." Congratulations on finding your true party identity; have fun with your new buddies: Dick Cheney, Bush, Karl Rove, etc etc.

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:42:18 GMT

crijo...yes, we are buddies....

Answer to your question about anger and threats...During this race people have had to look at themselves...and in many cases they do not like what they see. This contest has forced people to put their cards on the table...people are not happy when they seek answers to questions about themselves...now people are finding out that they are not the people that they thought they were...actions will always speak louder than words.

The actions will show up at the voting ballots. Therefore, there are some people that have found out who they really are during this process...and would rather choose to see this country crash and burn before they make a choice that will put this country on the right track.

I did some soul searching myself...I am glad that I am the person...that I thought that I was...many are not so luck....

Remember, Satan is during what he has to do....and that is major damage. Everyone should choose wisely...people’s lives are on the line.

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georgiacap25 — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:43:01 GMT

Woman will write in Hillary's name if she is not the nominee. Obama, go Home! We will not vote for a chauvinist, sweetie.

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:47:54 GMT

georgiacap25..

Speak for yourself...I like being called sweetie...I will not write Hillary's name in....She will be at home.......I will vote for Barack Obama....

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:50:06 GMT

During this race people have had to look at themselves...and in many cases they do not like what they see. This contest has forced people to put their cards on the table...people are not happy when they seek answers to questions about themselves...now people are finding out that they are not the people that they thought they were...actions will always speak louder than words.

I did some soul searching myself...I am glad that I am the person...that I thought that I was...many are not so lucky....

Remember, Satan is during what he has to do....and that is major damage. Everyone should choose wisely...people’s lives are on the line.

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:03:06 GMT

LETS HAVE SOME HONEST TIME HERE. OBAMA AND CLINTON ARE THE SAME IN TERMS OF POLICY AND THE WAY THEY WOULD LEAD THE COUNTRY. OBAMA HAS WON FAIR AND SQUARE EVEN IF YOU COUNT FLA AND MICH. SO LETS FACE IT MANY PEOPLE WONT VOTE OBAMA BECAUSE OF- HALF- OF HIS RACE. EVEN IF IT MEANS CONTINUING IN A DISTRUCTIVE DIRECTION

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:19:03 GMT

crijo...

The results: anger + threats + bad choices = distructive drection

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crijo — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:22:37 GMT

GOD BLESS AMERICA

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ecg3817 — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:45:04 GMT

The results: anger + threats + bad choices = distructive direction

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loriw — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:32:26 GMT

I believe that Hillary knows it's time to quit. I can't figure out why she doesn't just pack it in. Michigan and Florida couldn't even save her if they wanted to. It won't be resolved in time to give her any delegates. I think Hillary just can't face reality- that every woman in this country isn't willing to hang their vote on her. This woman sure won't. I am all for a woman in the White House but not Hillary. First off, I simply don't respect her or trust her. I think her greed to be in the White House at any cost is becoming evident the more desperate she becomes. Another reason I wouldn't vote for her is she comes with big baggage-Bill. Bill made a mockery of the White House when he was President. If Hillary gets back into the White House even as VP then here comes Bill too. Since he'll have less responsibilities as First Husband or as Second Man (husband of VP) than he had as President he'd have more time on his hands to chase after interns again. Why does anyone think he'd be better behaved as First Husband than he was when he was our President? I personnally hope Obama does not choose her as his running mate. Keep the Clintons out of the White House so we are not humiliated by his bad behavior again for another 4-8 years! Perhaps if Bill had not spent so much time on his intern affairs and spent more time on foreign affairs we wouldn't have such a mess in the Middle East as we do now. Do you really think as soon as Bush was elected all the terrorist suddenly got organized and planned 9/11? Doubt it- they were preparing to attack while we were all trying to figure out if Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman. Hello!!

Personally, I would have had a lot more respect for Hillary if she had kicked Bill's bum to the curb a long time ago. But no, she wanted him standing behind her as she went for the address, she wanted the votes he could pull in for her. I wonder.. when she calls it quits on the nomination...how long before she calls it quits on Bill?

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Prfesser — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:40:03 GMT

If she were being truly classy, she would de-emphasize what she would do in the White House, and would focus more on the Democratic party.

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invisible independent — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:49:34 GMT

She hasn't dropped out because the primaries do not end until June 3rd. Voters have a right to express their opinions and feel that their vote counts. Neither candidate has sufficient delegates without superdelegates to secure the nomination. She should be allowed to compete as long as there are votes to be cast. Last time I checked that was called democracy.

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vakosh — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:55:09 GMT

If Obama wanted an easy street election, he should not have thrown his hat in the ring with a Clinton. You people can boo hoo all the way to June 3rd, we don't really care.

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jp6815 — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:01:55 GMT

I live , work and raised my children in Michigan. For 46 years, I have voted Democratic, and was proud to belong to the Democratic Party until this year. I voted in Michigan primary , in January 2008. I did not ask that the date be changed, so now my vote doesn't count. The candidates took a pledge not to campaigner in Michigan or Florida, not to take their names of the ballot. Obama made a conscience choice to take his name off in Michigan. His supporters ran articles in the daily papers to vote for Obama, vote uncommitted. He still lost. In Florida, Obama ran ads 1.3 million dollars worth (just like he has in other states, form of campaigning). He still loss. Obama talks of change and hope , but he doesn't run a fair and just campaign. He breathes entitlement to the Presidency, and will do it on 48 states votes. Hillary should stay until all Americans vote, don't cheat the rest of the country from the privilege to be heard. For the first time, I just may not vote in November or just vote for McCain!

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invisible independent — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:07:19 GMT

No one is boo-hooing until June 3rd and we know that Obama supporters don't care and therein lies the problem. We should care that the votes of so many can be so easily discarded making ego and party unity more important than this country and it's citizens. I have heard change from all the candidates but I see nothing but politics as usual.

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rsland — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:10:27 GMT

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invisible independent — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:11:35 GMT

Another fallacy is this notion that people will be voting for McCain as an anti-Obama candidate. Once the primaries are done and the nominee is declared, the election process begins anew with two candidates and their platforms and ideas. Then the voter must take responsibility for researching their positions and voting for the person they feel best can lead this country. The presidency is not an entitlement simply because of endorsements and party affiliation. I am sure that Sen. McCain will not withdraw from the race because of superdelegate and media pressure and neither should Sen. Clinton at this point in time.

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loriw — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:21:02 GMT

Just for clarification purposes...Hillary didn't actually win the Indiana primary like she'd like to pretend. She got about 7% or more of her votes because of Rush's Operation Chaos and she knows it. I voted in my Indiana precinct that Tuesday. My precinct is nearly entirely Republican. That primary there was an unusually large number of people voting democratic. I am not a Rush fan so I'm not trying to promote him, just telling it like I saw it with my own eyes.

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invisible independent — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:23:46 GMT

That occurred in many states where Independents and Republicans were allowed to participate in Democratic caucuses and primaries and actually worked both ways. I still don't understand why Democrats allow someone else to pick their candidate for them.

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crijo — Sun, 18 May 2008 01:10:20 GMT

vakosh i thought you had become a repub. you sound like a reasonable person get over it and lets you and i work together

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ecg3817 — Sun, 18 May 2008 02:29:16 GMT

invisible independent..

I live in Clearwater, FL and I am also an Obama supporter...I do care about the votes not being counted so you cannot say that I don't...the Republican lawmakers in Florida decided to break the rules to ensure that the democrat votes did not count...FL break the rules and I can live with the results...Barack Obama did not set the date for FL voters...He did not create this problem...

jp6815...

I live in Florida...Obama ads did not run in FL (just like he has in other states). I watch TV everyday...no Obama ads were shown. I am talking about what I know. I do know that Hillary Clinton was in Florida campaigning when she was not supposed to be. This, I know for a fact.

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qualquan — Sun, 18 May 2008 04:13:12 GMT

I don't buy anything classy from Hillary. I believe she was warned severely by the Demccratic Party elders that she is risking her political future after her grossly racially divisive remarks in W. Virginia. Charlie Rangel, a supporter of her read her the riot act and she owned up to making a faux pas. She is merely worried about her future ..not acting classy. PERIOD!

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qualquan — Sun, 18 May 2008 04:14:54 GMT

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The "O" Team — Sun, 18 May 2008 05:14:28 GMT

I am from Michigan and in all honesty, couldn't care less if our votes were counted or even discarded. The Reason??? As soon as I caught a look at HILLBILLarY, on 10 O'Clock News, I immediately screamed to the person I was on the phone with, SO THAT IS HOW HER AND JENNIFER GRANHOLM PLANNED TO HELP HBC (hillbilly clinton) STEAL THE ELECTION!!! Out of all honesty, I must admit that I was one of those people that thought that "SLICK WILLY" was a refreshing and welcomed change from the SCUMBAG's of the BUSH and Reagan Administrations (and most of the people that associated with them) but, being the type of person that was raised to KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT WHILE LISTENING AND LOOKING, I suddenly had an Earth shattering revelation and that was the fact that, CLINTON WAS WORSE THAN POPPA BUSH. The reason I said that they were worse was because, WE KNEW THAT BUSH WAS A SCUMBAG SNAKE BUT AT LEAST YOU COULD HEAR AND SEE HIM COMING... As far as CLINTON WAS CONCERNED; He won over myself and others, the same way that you win over any DUPE and that would be, by incentive, by flattery, by fear, by lies or by a combination of all the forementioned.

What is that saying... you know... about, DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND EXPECTING FOR A DIFFERENT RESULT???

Here's a question for all of the HBC Supporters... Why would the CLINTONS spend so much of their own money ($32,500,000 +), in order to secure a job that has an eight year shelf life and less than $500,000.00 annual income?????????????... ?????????????...???????????

Now, of course we know that the CLINTONS have an incredibly elevated sense of Values, Morals and a strong and deeply rooted desire, toward, selfless and tireless public service... (is that being sarcastic, viscous or apathetic)... My job is in sales and all sales people know that, you're only as good as your last deal and also the fact that, YOU ONLY SPEND MONEY WHEN YOU KNOW, THAT IT WILL COMEBACK, MANIFOLD and/or EXPONENTIALLY...

The sad thing is the fact that quite a few of you KNUCKLE HEADS were going to put those CROOKS, back in, WASHINGTON... C'mon, they already have $110,000,000.00 (THAT WE KNOW ABOUT)... We won't even speculate on the numerous, alledge FOREIGN BANK ACCTS. THAT THE CLINTONS WERE REPORTED AS HAVING... At least OBAMA'S FAMILY WEALTH CAN BE TRACED AND TRACKED BY THE IRS, VERIFIED BY THE STATE AND W-2'D...

I am not for discounting the VOTER's of Michigan and Florida:

So, why don't they just split the delegates??? IT'S THE ONLY FAIR DECISION... There surely isn't a need to teach our children that rules should be followed, considered or even acknowledged... IF BEING AN UNDER-HANDED SCUMBAG IS GOOD FOR MS. CLINTON, WELL THEN, IT SHOULD BE THAT MUCH BETTER FOR YOUR KID (I intentionally didn't say OURS)...

Another minor issue, can we as a people, STOP voting these MULTI-MILLIONAIRES into office???

oh yeah, here is a clip of Rev. WRIGHT saying that ALL WHITES WILL BE DAMNED TO HELL (with AmeriKKKa of course)...

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS NEW REV. WRIGHT CLIP???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related

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Yellow Sapphire — Sun, 18 May 2008 10:05:06 GMT

Let us make a Hillary/Obama ticket being Clinton as a president.

1) Obama is still a " baby"- he will become VP and learn more from the administration and run again in 2012.

2) Young voters-let us all ask first time voters to manage their lives first before voting….I mean get a life and experience “real life” before getting into their passions of voting for an irresponsible President. If they do not qualify, they are not allowed to vote.

3) Well, if I made millions then I deserve it! I can eat what I want and sleep wherever I want. I do not have to eat at McDonalds if I think I can afford a $100 dinner and $500/night hotel. At least, I earned it. What is a $100 steak if I am committed to put in millions of dollars for what I believe…This is how committed Hillary is….and she will be strong….

Now I would suggest that you get a life first before thinking that I am out of my mind….I am not…I am making millions running my own manufacturing business. I am, in fact, a Clinton supporter, which disqualifies me from being a low class, uneducated group of voters…but more of a “classy and concerned citizen.” Now tell me what has Obama done so far other than community service whose policies do not have substance and who cannot make a firm decision , stutters, and cannot make up his mind by saying “present” in very sensitive issues? Is this what you want? Then GOD HELP AMERICA!!!!

NOW KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF… go back to your books and enjoy your $10/hr part-time job!....good-luck to you and I say no to Obama…ever!

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Yellow Sapphire — Sun, 18 May 2008 10:05:58 GMT

THE EMSSAGE BELOW IS INTENDED FOR ADVOCATE 4 OBAMA

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Yellow Sapphire — Sun, 18 May 2008 10:42:36 GMT

ONE THING I NOTICED....MOST OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE VERY DEFENSIVE....Okay...you like him but you do not have to convince other Clinton supporters to buy your votes......

Thanks, but no thanks....

Let Democracy be.....there are no mistakes in what you believe in and who you support.....

BUT I WOULD LIKE THE CLINTON SUPPORTER TO SPEAK OUT...TIME IS RUNNING OUT AND IF WE ARE SO NAIVE....THEN WE ARE NOT HELPING HER.....

LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD....I LOVE HILLARY AND SHE REPRESENTS MY VALUES AND LOVE OF FAMILY AND COUNTRY. I CANNOT LET A PRESIDENT REPRESENT THIS COUNTRY WHOSE VALUES ARE QUESTIONABLE. I HAVE VERY GOOD GUT FEELINGS THAT OBAMA IS NOT THE BEST PRESIDENT AND REPRESENTATIVE FOR ALL OF US. HIS BACKGROUND IS QUESTIONABLE AND I DOUBT HIS COMPETENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

SPEAK OUT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. UPHOLD OUR VALUES AND LET THE WORLD KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE AN AMERICAN....

CLINTON IS MY PRESIDENT...AND NOT SOMEONE WHOSE VALUES, REPUTATIONS, AND LOYALTY ARE IN HOT WATER. THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW...WE WILL BE BOUGHT BY TERRORISTS AND OUR LIVES AND CHILDREN WILL NOT HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE.....

PLEASE LOOK CLOSELY AND PROTECT YOUR FAMILY. WE ARE IN CRISIS AND RECESSION....WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WHEN GAS WAS VERY AFFRODABLE AND JOBS WERE PLENTY?...WE HAD THE BEST TIMES WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT?...WE DO NOT WANT ANY DRASTIC CHANGES....BUT A STABLE GOVERNMENT....BRING IT BACK PLEASE....AND START ALL OVER AGAIN.....

I HAVE VERY GOOD GUT FEELINGS ABOUT PEOPLE...WHEN BUSH GOT HIS SECOND TERM....I FOUGHT WITH MY MOTHER (WHO WAS A BUSH SUPPORTER) AND CRIED.....BECAUSE I KNEW THAT WE WERE IN A REALLY BAD SITUATION....I HAVE A FEELING AFTER 911 THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A NEW TYPE OF ADMISITRATION AND BUSH WAS NOT THE RIGHT PERSON THERE. HE IS INCAPABLE AND HIS BELIEFS ARE WRONG!!!

PLEASE DO NOT GET CARRIED AWAY, THE MEDIA IS SELLING OBAMA AND THOSE SUPERDELEGATES WHO ARE SUPPORTING OBAMA RIGHT NOW THINK THAT THEY WILL GET A RELIEF AND FAVOR IF HE WINS.....BUT THAT IS A BIG BUT..

WE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO IS STRONG, AND WILL NOT LET US DOWN WITH THESE PROMISES....YOU KNOW SHE IS FIRM AND SINCERE...

TEENAGERS AND YOUNG VOTERS...IF YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER....THEN SHE IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO HELP YOU IN ANYTHING....

LADIES....LET US BE STRONG.....VOTE INTELLIGENTLY AND VOTE FOR HILLARY....SHE REPRESENTS THE CORE OF AMERICAN IDEALS....AND SHE WILL BE THERE FOR ALL OF US IN THESE DESPERATE TIMES....

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Yellow Sapphire — Sun, 18 May 2008 10:42:37 GMT

ONE THING I NOTICED....MOST OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE VERY DEFENSIVE....Okay...you like him but you do not have to convince other Clinton supporters to buy your votes......

Thanks, but no thanks....

Let Democracy be.....there are no mistakes in what you believe in and who you support.....

BUT I WOULD LIKE THE CLINTON SUPPORTER TO SPEAK OUT...TIME IS RUNNING OUT AND IF WE ARE SO NAIVE....THEN WE ARE NOT HELPING HER.....

SPEAK OUT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. UPHOLD OUR VALUES AND LET THE WORLD KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE AN AMERICAN....

WE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO IS STRONG, AND WILL NOT LET US DOWN WITH THESE PROMISES....YOU KNOW SHE IS FIRM AND SINCERE...

TEENAGERS AND YOUNG VOTERS...IF YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER....THEN SHE IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO HELP YOU IN ANYTHING....

LADIES....LET US BE STRONG.....VOTE INTELLIGENTLY AND VOTE FOR HILLARY....SHE REPRESENTS THE CORE OF AMERICAN IDEALS....AND SHE WILL BE THERE FOR ALL OF US IN THESE DESPERATE TIMES....

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Yellow Sapphire — Sun, 18 May 2008 10:44:57 GMT

ONE THING I NOTICED....MOST OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE VERY DEFENSIVE....Okay...you like him but you do not have to convince other Clinton supporters to buy your votes......

Thanks, but no thanks....

Let Democracy be.....there are no mistakes in what you believe in and who you support.....

BUT I WOULD LIKE THE CLINTON SUPPORTER TO SPEAK OUT...TIME IS RUNNING OUT AND IF WE ARE SO NAIVE....THEN WE ARE NOT HELPING HER.....

SPEAK OUT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. UPHOLD OUR VALUES AND LET THE WORLD KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE AN AMERICAN....

WE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO IS STRONG, AND WILL NOT LET US DOWN WITH THESE PROMISES....YOU KNOW SHE IS FIRM AND SINCERE...

TEENAGERS AND YOUNG VOTERS...IF YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER....THEN SHE IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO HELP YOU IN ANYTHING....

LADIES....LET US BE STRONG.....VOTE INTELLIGENTLY AND VOTE FOR HILLARY....SHE REPRESENTS THE CORE OF AMERICAN IDEALS....AND SHE WILL BE THERE FOR ALL OF US IN THESE DESPERATE TIMES....

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

invisible independent — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:21:53 GMT

SENATOR Clinton, not hillbillary, has helped to frame and clarify the policies that are needed by this country. How is that a terrible thing? I am amazed how Obama supporters attack iwthout substance and with such animosty. Why can't this woman run a campaign? If she wants to put her money in, so what. Romney, Bloomberg and others who have the resources finanace their campaigns as well. Support your candidate but stop belittling everyone and anyone who has a different opinion. You are hurting your candidate by using such a negative, personal attacks that only seek to futher divide your party. How are your going to heal the division when you are still embracing the anger? I have never seen such anger in a campaign that is supposedly ahead.The name calling and derisive remarks only demean the individual, they do nothing further the process.

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Advocate 4 Obama — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:28:10 GMT

YELLOW SAPPHIRE …..posting as of (May 18, 2008 at 6:05 AM)

Comment #(1) and your first statement.

Well now, let me see a Hillary/Obama ticket sounds interesting. I hope you get your book published. I hear works of “fiction and comedy” are doing well these days. Maybe I will read it when I have some time but at present us young voters are far to busy preparing to elect Senator Obama to the Presidency of the United States. Hay, maybe “Nominee” Obama will be kind enough to have Oprah recommend your book on her book club once he has some free time. I hear he is really busy at present working on who his VP will be and cheer up I hear that Hillary is on his short list.

Comment #(2)

How ironic a proposal by of all people a WOMAN to restrict the right to vote. How utterly ironic after women’s suffrage and you tried to make a joke about me reading books. Maybe you are the one who needs to read a few things. If it is not above your comprehension level maybe, you should start with The United States Constitution. I will help you. Try reading the 14th, 24th and 26th Amendment. It is so easy A CAVE WOMAN CAN DO IT! Oh and by the way no matter how ignorant you are I promise that I will never make a proposal to restrict the 19th Amendment as I respect everyone’s right to vote especially women’s. Buy the way, if you have trouble understanding it maybe Noninee Obama can help you after all he is a highly intelligent Constitutional scholar because by your comments about voting you apparently are in need of an education.

Comment #(3)

I agree with you Hillary is strong. Strong, broke and on her way off of the Presidential stage. Thanks in part to her lavish spending and sloppy money management. So by all means, …..Spend Hillary Spend! Now regarding what Obama has done so far as I said in my first posting “Obama managed to come out of no were and put one of the best and most experienced political machines America has ever seen i.e. the Bill and Hillary Clinton political machine over his knee and spank their political rump. Enough said!

Oh and by the way!

I WILL SAY WHAT I WANT….. AND PUT MY HANDS WERE I WANT….. and maybe if you had read a few books yourself your posts on this blog would not sound so utterly IGNORANT.

NOW KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT while I LISTEN TO THE WONDERFUL SOUND OF THE FAT LADY SINGING!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Advocate 4 Obama — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:47:42 GMT

YELLOW SAPPHIRE …..posting as of (May 18, 2008 at 6:05 AM)

Comment #(1) and your first statement.

Comment #(2)

Comment #(3)

Oh and by the way!

I WILL SAY WHAT I WANT….. AND PUT MY HANDS WERE I WANT….. and maybe if you had read a few books yourself your posts on this blog would not sound so utterly IGNORANT.

NOW KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT while I LISTEN TO THE WONDERFUL SOUND OF THE FAT LADY SINGING!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Advocate 4 Obama — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:48:34 GMT

YELLOW SAPPHIRE …..posting as of (May 18, 2008 at 6:05 AM)

Comment #(1) and your first statement.

Comment #(2)

Comment #(3)

Oh and by the way!

I WILL SAY WHAT I WANT….. AND PUT MY HANDS WERE I WANT….. and maybe if you had read a few books yourself your posts on this blog would not sound so utterly IGNORANT.

NOW KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT while I LISTEN TO THE WONDERFUL SOUND OF THE FAT LADY SINGING!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Eire52 — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:55:32 GMT

Yellow Sapphire

It seems that you are the one who is being defensive. And telling someone to shut up and go back to their "$10/hr part-time -- very classy. Obviously you have picked up some campaigning tips from your candidate and I don't mean in a good way. And is it really necessary to type ALL IN CAPS as if you are screaming!

Good for you that you support Hillary: Unfortunately you have yet to state one coherent reason why anyone else should. I am a supporter of Senator Obama - and a woman by the way. I could care one way or the other whether you vote for him or not. I mean it would be really nice -- but everyone should vote for the person who they feel is the best person for them.

I, as millions of others, am not naive because we support Sen Obama, so please stop saying that Obama supporters are - just because we don't agree with you. Hillary Clinton is not the only one who loves this country -- sorry, not even the Clinton's can claim that. I have every confidence and more than firmly believe in Sen Obama's belief in and love of this country. And so do millions of other people.

And if we are going to have a discussion about values -- perhaps you can explain the lies that Mrs. Clinton has been caught in - just in this campaign (NAFTA, Bosnia). Those are good values? And she does it without skipping a beat or blinking an eye. But hey, anything for a vote, huh? And let's not even get into all the questionable activities in the past (Whitewater, travelgate, etc.) - because that would be picking on Hillary - wouldn't it? And how about her pledging (along with all the other candidates) to not campaign in FL and MI and to now allow the delegates from those states to be seated ---- and then when, and only when, she desperately needs them -- suddenly becoming their champion. These are some of the values that she has that you are so proud of? And what questionable values that you attribute to Sen Obama are you talking about? Because he sat in a pew at church and listened (or not) to some questionable, controversial sermons from someone else? Are you then saying that everyone else in that church has questionable values? Are you talkng about his association with William Ayres ? One that has been pretty well reported on and settled that the ties between them are pretty, pretty tenuous - at best. He sat on a board with him --- along with a lot of other people. He lives in the same neighborhood and once attended a fundraiser at his house -- so? Shall we have a discussion about some of the people (past and present) that the Clinton's are associated with? Something tells me you really don't want to go there - - and neither does Hillary.

Why is Senator Obama's backkground questionable? Because he is biracial? Because he was raised by his mother and grandparents? Because his father is from Kenya and a Muslim? Because he lived in Indonesia as a child? How can you say "we will be bought by terrorists" Really --- on what do you base such a wild accusation?

And before you start throwing around wild rumors and accusations about what the superdelegates expect to get from Sen Obama in return for their support -- let's hear some evidence from you to back it up. Do you have any? It's always convenient to blame the media when things don't go your way (and sometimes even when they do). I don't need anyone to "sell" Sen Obama to me. I'm an adult who is capable of listening and researching and learning -- all on my own. I can form my own opinions, and have. And so have many millions of other people -- and the conclusion that they draw is to support Sen Obama. And frankly your comments are insulting to millions of people - you infer that they can't make up their own minds without a "sell" job. Maybe you meant to be insulting - I dont know.

I, and my teenage daughter & son (who I am happy to say love me - you did bring up teenagere loving their mothers) nieces (and nephews) and a lot of other women, men and young adults and teenagers I know will be casting our votes for Sen Obama, if he is in fact the Democratic Party nominee, this fall. Let me add, my children may be teenagers (young adults), but they are strong intelligent people too who are capable of making their own decisions. I would no more tell them who to vote for than I would the man in the moon. They have come to this decision themselves. All of us have our own reasons for supporting Senator Obama - but what it really boils down to is this. All of us believe that he is head and shoulders the best candidate. That he has conducted himself in this campaign with class, dignity and respect - respect for the voters intelligence and respect for his opponents. And that he will begin to restore respect for the US around the world. That he will reverse the shameful economic policies of the Bush administration and bring to an end, this terrible war. Those are just some of the reasons we support him - proudly.

Obama '08

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Anastasiavonglantal — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:05:08 GMT

This is merely a new and seditious method devised by the spin team to encourage people to think that Hillary is not going to run until the end. They have found no way to stop her thus far so they are now attempting to use psychology on both her AND her supporters. Do not but into ladies; these guys are desperate. Go Hillary 2008!!!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Anastasiavonglantal — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:08:29 GMT

Paid Obama bloggers are running rampant on this site. These guys are desperate. Go Hillary!!!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Anastasiavonglantal — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:09:44 GMT

Paid Obama bloggers are running rampant on this site. These guys are desperate. Go Hillary 2008!!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

Anastasiavonglantal — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:11:49 GMT

For anyone that is looking, why is it that when Obama outspends Hillary two to one in key swing states, he still loses/ Go Hillary!!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

TomCarney — Sun, 18 May 2008 20:55:45 GMT

Democratic Party Unity, Hillary for all her flaws understands that America cannot endure another 4 years of a Republican in Presidents Office.

The Democratic Party will Control the Senate picking up 5 to 7 New Seats

The Democratic Party will Control the House picking up 50 to 70 New Seats.

Please Hillary Supporters think of America First and Vote for the Democratic Party.

Please Vote The Democratic Party in the Fall

Please Unite Around the Democratic Party in the Fall.

America is the Greatest County in this World. Please Vote The Democratic Party In the Fall.

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

jeamaj — Sun, 18 May 2008 21:32:28 GMT

If you want to buy a car or home, but don't have the required money, you usually don't get it. Hillary Clinton does not have the required pledged delegates, superdelegates, or popular vote, so she can't get it. Senator Clinton, lacking these basic requirements m continues her Presidential campaign. She's $20 million in debt and will increase her debt. There's talk that she wants some of Obama's campaign donations to cover the debt. If this is a "classy exit strategy," then you're a bigger fool than she is.

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

mkgubbon — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:22:40 GMT

The question that should be asked is: "Does the American public want the media to elect their next President?" The world is shocked and amazed at how the media in the United States has treated a Presendential candidate for The United States of America. The democratic process of electing a President has been thrown to the wind and equal coverage has not been given to Hillary Clinton. The media has already elected THEIR canidate and vowing to the American public true and just coverage reporting, which should be unbiased has left a bad taste in the mouths of the American public. The media did not give accurate or just coverage of West Virginia. They did not ask why Obama did not even try in WV and why he is in Iowa and totally neglecting Oregon and Kentucky. Obviously those states do not matter. How may Americans do not matter to Obama? A revolution is in the forecast, if Americans cannot get fair and just coverage of a candidate without being "influenced" by the media, then as in history past, do Americans need to go "underground"? This is a perfect time to protest and as in history past, get the truth out with "underground" newspapers. Just like the civil war, the slaves, John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King the truth will set us free! Just when is it just and fair to watch a 20 minute speech given by an endorsee and cutting off Hillary Clintons' over 2-1 win WV? To have a discussion on the issues facing the candidates and only have Obama supporters represented has sunk the media to a new low. Ask any American, and they will tell you they are not tired of this race for the democratic party going on, they are tired of the media being biased and unjust in not only their portrayal of President candidate Hillary Clinton, but they are tired of not having a voice, a chance to vote, yes, all votes counted, and they are tired of hearing that this race is over when in reality it is definitely not over! Let America be heard, every vote counts, every state counts, and thank God Hillary has the guts and determination to go forth and make this nation once again the Democratic process, the Democratic freedom that so many have fought for. All the way to the convention floor-we will be heard, we will vote, we will have a say on who are next President is, we are Americans!

M.Gubbons speaks out for America!

re: Clinton's 'Classy' Exit Strategy

XMEE — Mon, 19 May 2008 03:12:56 GMT

TomCarney,

I couldn't agree with you more. My worry is that Senator Clinton's more ardent supporters seem to not care about the issues and problems with the country, only with getting revenge. And they also seem to, unfortunately, blame Senator Obama for her loss. It's very disconcerting to me. As a woman, I take the demand to be treated equal to men very seriously, and when these women behave is though the country derserves to be "punished" because not enough of them voted for the woman, I'm ashamed of their behavior. It discredits women who understand that to be treated equally, you must behave responsibly and deserving of equality. This is an election for our president and it very important, no matter who the candidates are on both sides. It's not a women's lib movement, and it's not something anyone has the right to sabotage because they feel they've been "scorned".