Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

delius1967 — Wed, 21 May 2008 02:52:30 GMT

It astonishes me, not that HRC continues in the race, but that she continues to claim she is winning the majority of the popular vote. Her methods of calculation are so transparently slanted that no one who isn't on her payroll -- and even some of those -- could possibly swallow it. Let's count states where Obama wasn't even on the ballot! Let's NOT count states that he won by overwhelming margins! It's idiocy in the highest degree. Her supporters claiming the superdelegates are going to "flock" to her smacks of Baghdad Bob. She's falling further and further behind.

Sure, stay in, Hill, all you're doing is makng yourself the laughingstock that you rightfully should have been all along. And that's not sexism; I don't give a rat's *** that she is a woman. I do give a rat's *** that she is a decitful, manipulative, win-at-any-cost politician who sets my teeth on edge every time I see her.

Or, in other words, a Clinton.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

lillea — Wed, 21 May 2008 02:53:28 GMT

Just an overview of what Obama's "Change" will look like"

C-astro

H-ugo Chavez

A-linsky

N-oriege

G--uervara

E-nd of Capitalism

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

pearsoncrz — Wed, 21 May 2008 03:13:44 GMT

It's not just about the nomination, it's about the general election.

If Obama is the nominee, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Utah,

Idaho, Kansas, SD, ND and Texas will vote McCain.

Look at the polls.

So will WV, FLORIDA, MICHIGAN, AL, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,

GA, Idaho (4), Indiana, KY, LA, MS, Missouri, NM, NC, OHIO, OK,

SC, TN, VA, and Wyoming. And maybe PA,

for a total of 287 electors for McCain, even without PA.

It looks like the only states Obama will win are California(55), Colorado(9),

CT(7), DL(3), D.C(3)., Hawaii (4),, Illinois(21), Iowa(7), Maine(4), Maryland(10),

Mass(12)., MN(10), NH(4), NJ(15), NY(31), Oregon(7), RI(4), VT(3),

Washington(11), and Wisconsin(10),

for a total of 231 electors - not enough to win.

Clinton would win Arkansas(6), California (55), CT(7), DL(3), DC (3), Florida(27) ,

Hawaii (4), Illinois (21), Maine (4), Maryland (10), Mass (12), Michigan(17),

Minn (10), NJ (15), NY (31), Missouri(11), Ohio(20), Pennsylvania (21), RI (4),

VT(3), Washington (11),

for 292 electors,

even without close races in Indiana, Wisconsin,

Kentucky, Louisiana and Texas

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/calculator.html

Do the math, Obama can't win. Hillary can.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

shir — Wed, 21 May 2008 03:52:17 GMT

I am still distrustful of everything Senator Clinton promises. She pledged NOT to include Michigan and Florida and so got NH to vote for her. She pledged to run as her own person and Bill appeared everywhere as a two-for-one dyanstic co-president candidate. She lied on sniper fire, on being work-class identified, on shooting at five, etc, etc. No one truly beleives she will try ot help the party. We fear she is pivoting for 2012 and is even now encouraging her voters in their divisions with Obama.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

bkoeman — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:01:15 GMT

Where is the "gas tax" bill that's due in three days, has it reached the senate for a vote.

Nope, it's just empty rhetoric to say whatever appeases her demographic, blue collar, uneducated, low income and "set in their ways" women over 50.

Exactly the demographic that can not see beyond the promising lies spewed from her mouth. The racists that will never vote "Black" and rather live with the misery we're in now than vote for a "change".

That defines the state of the country.

It's getting so pathetic that she relishes in Carl Roves "somewhat of a endorsement" of her.

It's really sad to see someone grasping at straws the way she does and discounting everything that would stand in her way to get the nomination.

I think she really thinks she's the best candidate, if it were not for Obama I would vote for her but there is a faint feeling of distrust caused by the appeasing rhetoric, fake promises and unneeded fierce attacks on her Democratic opponent.

Not Presidential at all.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:01:16 GMT

I've always been a numbers person; a tactical and strategic planner by trade. My concern is that Hilary's numbers are, at this point, too little too late. To Pearsoncrz, I have to ask, how do you get to the general election, without winning the primary. John Edwards has an impressive resume, but it is of no value to poll his "chances" in the GE, because he won't be on the ticket. He has ensured his issues Will be part of the platform by supporting the nominee.

Senator Clinton will ensure her issues are part of the platform too. Her performance here ensures that. Her numbers ensure she will have the opportunity to choose her next position; be it VP, or (in my humble opinion) as the next nominee to the Supreme Court. It is imperative for her to continue, to hold the fire and the hope of her constituency. I have too much respect for her to believe that she cannot deliver the vast majority of her supporters to the party. She has won, in that she will be part of history.

To assume that Republicans will rally around McCain, is not as easy as it might seem. I'm looking forward to a flurry of Democrats who will change the political environment in Washington, who will change the makeup of the Supreme Court, and who will put the focus back on America and Americans.

Thanks for rational discussion.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

dlgjw — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:11:37 GMT

Lilea -- Here's another try at change:

C-ourage

H-ope

A-ction

N-obility

G-enerosity

E-nthusiasm

Opinion polls tell the story. We need to change our national self-image; change our public behavior; believe in our own goodness and lead the world by example,.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

bkoeman — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:36:13 GMT

I think it's ridiculous that somebody has an accurate view of the candidates.

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InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:36:18 GMT

Like I said, it's nice to have open, legitimate debate. Not laced with trigger phrases or absolutes. Zorule, I am curious as to your opinion on this issue. Despite your post, you are not making your position known. Would you like to share it with us? Thanks for your enlightening response.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

underdog — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:50:29 GMT

This time last year most of the reports on Hillary read as if she had already won the nomination, and the gerneral election was a formality. There was even an article, may have been Newsweek, which went on to say what Hillary would be like as President. At some point this had to sink into Hillary that she was it, the chosen, the selected. Well, a year later and all the reports and predictions have gone to hell in a handbasket. She lost the battle in April but, I'll bet she will fight right into the convention, even if it means tearing the party apart.

As far as Michigan and Florida, she didn't object when the DNC said they would not be seated. She didn't start complain about disenfranchising the voters until she realised she was in a real dogfight. To late!! Should have spoke up about this at the beginning of the primaries, not the end. What does she think, everyone has to live by the rules except her? Howard Dean should do the right thing and tell her she knew the rules so SHUT THE F UP!!!!

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

valadezaj — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:53:27 GMT

QUOTE

Just an overview of what Obama's "Change" will look like"

C-astro

H-ugo Chavez

A-linsky

N-oriege

G--uervara

E-nd of Capitalism

END QUOTE

That about sums it up! Now all we need is an "O" in there for Osama.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:04:14 GMT

To Pearsoncrz - the election is not being held today. The current polls mean nothing. You're definitely not a Democrat either - your postings are idiotic and full of horsemanure. Go report back to Limbaugh and get your marching orders for the next 30 days to see if a new line of crass personal attacks on Obama will get even more laughs.

To zorule - the KKK called to renew your membership. While you're at it, make sure your wife (I'll bet she's your sister too) renews hers also. The KKK needs more intelligent red-blooded 'mericans like yourself. After you're done, crawl back under the rock you came from and die. Painfully and slowly.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:06:02 GMT

To my enlightened poster, Valadezaj, I will just make the following comment to your post:

Posted By: valadezaj (May 21, 2008 at 12:53 AM)

QUOTE

Just an overview of what Obama's "Change" will look like"

C-astro

H-ugo Chavez

A-linsky

N-oriege

G--uervara

E-nd of Capitalism

END QUOTE

That about sums it up! Now all we need is an is an "O" in there for Osama."

Because you stated you were having difficulty in finding an "O" to use, may I suggest looking at the letter in front of "bama's". That letter is an Upper case "o"; you may feel free to use it, and now you even have some "new" letters to ascribe attributes to (i.e. the "b", the "a", the "m", the "a", and the "s". Good luck in finding new words. It should be a delightful pastime for you.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:33:08 GMT

Hey valadezaj -

People like you have one emotion that overwhelms everything you feel or express - HATE. Unfortunately, this country is chock full of haters, but their time is coming to an end. It starts in 2008, and after 8 years of Obama your message of hate and anger will begin to die its long overdue death.

I pity your cynism and anger - it doesn't hurt the ones you spew it on, it only ends up hurting you. I suggest you try the following version of CHANGE

C-onsideration of others

H-ope for a better future for all of us

A-nger management

N-ice (give it a try, it'll make you feel better about yourself)

G-enerosity

E-volve from the crass name calling and express your thoughts in a respectful manner.

Good Luck.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

5leavesleft — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:34:29 GMT

Oregon and Kentucky: One day closer to the end. Yes, one day closer to the end of Obama. I cannot stress enough how unelectable Obama is. Obama cannot win in the general election because he has proven unable to win a majority of significant big states. A majority of the states he has won are red and will go red in the g.e. Obama will not win and we will all witness the Presidency of John McCain.

Congrats Hillary on your Kentucky win!

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:44:24 GMT

Comment for enlightened poster Zorule.

Posted By: zorule (May 21, 2008 at 1:05 AM)

Dude I am involved in this Nesweek debates already for weeks so may standing on some of issues are known perhaps to readers, so in few words let me describe my self, I Democrat for about 20 years...

...however when you some suspicious character like Obama Hussein and his cronies damning and condemning us whites and USA as country than as a patriot I have a serous problem...

Glad to see someone who addresses others openly and friendly, and who is not afraid to post his or her specific thoughts. In light of that may I say:

Dude... glad your posting. I wish more people would. I don't agree with all of your positions, but I also don't know your logic, and the basis of those positions. Would you tell me why you think of Senator Obama as, "suspicious" and what his "cronies" have done to make you as a, "patriot" worry?

I am out of country (the US), and another fairly frequent poster friend of my, "DAVinthePI", like to debate these issues. You obviously feel strongly about this, and I would love to know your reasoning.

Thanks so much for your post and your time.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

5leavesleft — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:46:20 GMT

Obama is a politician just as calculating and self-serving as any other politician. Don't be fooled. As a candidate, he has been vague and unspecific. I see why posters here are trying to make sense out of his so called change. I've got no idea what his change rhetoric means either. Apparently, its just the rhetoric of another politician trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the voters.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Lose Obama — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:54:12 GMT

Math will work against Dem's in General Election, if Obama gets the Dem nomination.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

abfabinri — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:55:58 GMT

Obama cannot win with this coalition. Looks like we picked a loser. Maybe that tumor in Kennedy's brain clouded his thought when he chose a loser and when he left a woman to drown to death?

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:05:02 GMT

Zorule - you seem to be forgetting one very important thing. The comments you keep referring to were not made by "Hussien Obama" - they were made by a pastor in his church. Obama has said in no uncertain terms that he does not support or agree with Wright's comments. I am surprised that you would simply ignore Obama's comments, and his actions in public life, and simply attach him to Wright as if they were one and the same.

I too am not happy with what has happened in Michigan and Florida, and there are several versions as to who offered to do what in regards to the delegates of each state, but the DNC rules committee will work out a compromise on May 31 that should not help or hurt any candidate. Don't forget that all the candidates pledged to not campaign in the two states and that all the other candidates removed their names form the Michigan ballot (except for Kucinich), and would have done so in Florida too except that the rules forbid it.

In regards to the issues that are imporant to you - do you think not voting for Obama is going to help solve those issues in a manner that you will support? Every issue you discussed is an important issue that will never be positively resolved by a Republican Congress or Administration. I do not share your bitterness nor do I understand it, but you must be mature enough to know that in politics you have to make compromises to get what you want. You can cut off your nose to spite your face but in the end you lose. Don't vote for Obama - but be careful what you wish for.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, I don't care what you think of Obama but your disrespectful namecalling is way overboard. Racist profanity is a signal of a bigger problem - if you have gotten so angry over Obama's actions in this primary, then you must be really angry about something else too. Give yourself a break - life's too short to get so worked up over something you can't control.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:09:15 GMT

Zorule. Thanks for the response.

You stated you have been a Dem for over 20 years.. May I ask if you served in the military? Please feel free not to answer any question you consider too personal. All too often, any specific information makes people think you have an agenda, rather than that you are just trying to be honest.

Your first comment. "Obama Hussein was busy snifing cocaine and smoking pot". 20 years a Democrat, with another roughly 20 years (asssuming most declare political party affiliation early after reaching voting age), would put you in the 40+ age group. In that time, we have had a large number of politicians (most often Democrats) say they used drugs at some point in their life. Former President Bill Clinton being the most notable of these.

Senator McCain was in Vietnam. It is believed that in excess of three in four Vietnam vets used drugs. Whether he has stated that he did or did not, that would, statistically, suggest that he had a very high probability of having indulged at some point.

High numbers of military members did, in fact, then; now; and in the future, will (in all probability) use drugs. For most, it does not exclude them from the military; it helps them deal with issues and pressures.

It is my humble opinion, that we no live in a country, where, in all probability, our politicians were not in the military. As a vet, that fact does not worry me. My concern is whether or not they know how to use the military as an element of national power, and not a knee-jerk reaction to a crisis.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

citron16 — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:27:01 GMT

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InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:32:09 GMT

Zorule. Thanks again for your response.

Your comment, "that dude is a camel jockey, I questioning his patriotisam and commitment to well being of USA".

Please tell me why you question his patriotism and committment. Also, what makes him a camel jockey.

Thanks so much for your response.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:33:20 GMT

To InselLiebhaber

I have noticed over the last year or so of reviewing these sites that many members of the military that post comments are very emotional over the issues of this election. I can not understand why some, such as Zorule, would choose to exhibit such a biased viewpoint that appears to stand in complete contrast to their expressed beliefs. Others suggest that even considering voting for Obama is treasonous or, at best, a complete lack of patriotism. Its damn near impossible to debate the issues or attempt to use reason to eliminate the lies and falsititudes, and the discussion tends to degenerate into name calling.

That has been a common theme lately for many women that support Hillary too - they suggest they'll vote for McCain because they're so bitter about the primary race. I don't understand the claims that sexism has caused Hillary to lose the nomination, since it is readily apparent that racism and bigotry almost cost Obama the nomination, but at this point reality has nothing to do with perception. The feeling seems to be that "we got screwed again".

I beleve it is a sign of the times - in the US there is a general feeling of despair and helplessness (not hopelessness) because nobody appears to be dealing honestly and competantly with the current problems. I think the pressures that many Americans' feel certainly are manifest in the opinions expressed on the blogs - they are many times hateful, vitriolic, uninformed, and full of false info. It will be interesting to see if the end of the Democratic primary will allow like-minded Dem's to bury the bad feelings and concentrate their energy on defeating another 4 years of catastrophic policies. If not, the negativity, cynism and hate will become self-fullfilling.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:44:34 GMT

To HAL

I doubt anyone would have guessed one year ago that racism, sexism, and blue-collar whites would have been the most hotly debated topics in the Dem primary. Its obvious to me that race, gender and class issues are still huge problems in this country. Its ironic that these issues are causing so much problems for the Dems, since that party has been the champion of civil rights, gender equality and workers rights.

It had to be faced at one time or another. Will it destroy the party - it could if Obama is unsuccessful in healing the perceived sexism that the Hillary supportes claim ruined her campaign and somehow is able to appeal to the white working class that is losing jobs and dignity. He needs another speech like the one in Philadelphia that concentrates on economic injustice and the Dem's plans to address the issue. I hope he pulls it off - it will discredit racism and bigotry in the country forever.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:45:09 GMT

NeverendingBS:

Thanks for your comments. I agree that many bloggers get so caught up in the emotion, they almost forget the issues that brought themselves to the blog in the first place. I have caught myself doing that often.

My best approach is to break the issues down, and ask specifics why someone feels that way. I just will never criticize them for their opinion, because it is Always right. It's Their opinion, not mine or someone elses. I just hope to ask on what basis the opinion is based.

Seldom do I change someone else's mind, nor do they change mine; but it is nice to have civilized debate.

Thanks.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

citron16 — Wed, 21 May 2008 06:46:38 GMT

To InselLiebhber: You asked why people are against Obama I would like to tell you why I will not vote for him. Obama was elected Senator of Illinois and has done nothing at all, when he shows up to vote He says present instead of yes or no!! Obamas wife saying "for the first time in my adult life I am proud to be an american" because people were voting for her Husband! Obama belonged to Trinity church listening to his Rev. Wright preaching God D A M N America and The chickens have come home to roost after 9-11. you can see these videos at www.youtube.com just type in Rev. Wright . Then there are all his friends Rezko, Ayers, Farrahkan, he belongs to the black panthers group! His friends tell alot about his character! He called his pastor his Mentor, at first he said he could no more wright him off than he could wright off his family. He called his Grandmother who raised him a "typical white person". Obama will not salute the flag but he wants to be president of the United States. By far the worst thing he did was when he flipped off Hillary during one of his speachs then he and the crowd laughed about it!! You can see this video oat www.youtube.com just type in Obama flipped off Clinton. Obama is not a gentleman and it has nothing to do with race!! If the democratic party does give the nomination to Obama I will vote for McCain, and I think alot of other people vote for McCain too!

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 07:18:18 GMT

Citron16:

Thanks for your comments and your honesty. I have seen the same clips; some just partial, and some in their entirity. You are most entitled to your thoughts and opinions. May I suggest some other interpretations of the same events. I like the word, "interpretation", because each of the world's most holy books have some of the most wide-ranged interpretations of their respective meanings. If one takes a minute quote from any of these books, one can use it to serve their specific argument and position. Likewise, specific quotes can make it "appear" that these books have contadictions; changes in positions, when in fact, they each contribute to the overall meaning and message.

Likewise, if I was followed around, with people taking sound bites of everything I say, and what anyone I have ever associated with says; it would not be too difficult to make me look like a fool (and there are those who say that is accomplished without someone with alterior motives).

I have been called a, "baby killer", and had my uniform spat on (which, obviously would suggest I had at some point a military background). That situation does not make me a ruthless, mindless, killer... nor does it make the person who said and did that unpatriotic. They were highly emotional about an issue; although I did not then, nor do I now, think they helped their cause by the way they chose to express it. To that person, those in the military were enablers. Without them, (specifically, without me) the over-zealous powers that be in Washington, could not have carried out what many felt was an unjust war (to understand, listen to, and pay attention to the lyrics of the anti-war song by Donovan, called, "Universal Soldier".

Each of these individuals, just as you and I, have the right (and in my mind, the responsibility) to make their opinions known. To me that is what this country is about. To suggest that because of a sound bite of me, someone knows all about me, all about what motivates me, and all about what my intentions are... is sad. Worse, it is scarey. I would not want someone to do that with me, nor do I believe it is appropriate to do with anyone else; whether I disagree with their positions, or not.

So I respectfully ask, don't make your judgements on Any political candidate on a few sound bites. There are times when it seem most people do more research in determining which type stereo system to buy, than when they are chosing a candidate for president. If you have researched, thank you. An informed decision is always best.

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neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 07:37:46 GMT

Citron16 - what will a vote for McCain get you, or us, for that matter?

Didn't John McCain embrace the support of pastor Hagee who suggested that Catholics should all go die? You are attaching Wright to Obama, why don't you attach Hagee to McCain? Didn't McCain accept "bribes" from the Keating and the S&L industry when he first became a Senator and was censured in the Senate as a result? How about the recent transfer of forest service land that is going to be developed by a McCain supporter in AZ in exchange for worthless desert land the supporter owned? How about the recent resignation of McCain's co-chairperson of his fundraising campaign - the guy lobbied for the Myanmar regime. Are these friends any better than Obama's friends?

Does Obama have to be perfect for you to vote for him - evidently he does. Is that because he's half-black?

Let me correct your errors - Michele Obama used the phrase "really proud of America" not "proud to be an American". There is a significant difference - have you been really proud of America during the last 7 years? Obama was simply describing his grandmother as a normal person. And if you are so easily duped by the youtube video then you are surely a dupe. and finally, Obama didn't wear a flag pin because so many so called "Patriots" started wearing flag pins and acting as if that was all they needed to do to be a good patriot. There's more to it than that and that was Obama's message.

I'm not sure why so many Americans choose to believe the worst about someone who is different than they are. This has nothing to do with educated vs. uneducated, white or black, male or female. This has to do with one thing only - fear. You fear Obama because you don't know or understand him. You fear that he may be a closet " " (fill in the blank), and that his changes may not be "American". Let me suggest this - 10 years ago nobody would ever have predicted that our Democracy would invade a country that had not invaded or threatended us, that our Democracy would imprison people and hold them without trial or charges, would secretly spy on its own people with the help of internet providers, and would suggest that the President has unlimited power in the time of war. Obama wants to change that - what do tyou have to fear?

Perhaps you are one of those who do not believe that this country needs significant change or else it will no longer be the great country is has become. So be it - you are entitled to your opinion, and you certainly won't get the necessary change from McCain. I happen to beleive that we need change, and we need it now. Go ahead and vote for McCain - you're voting for the past failures that will just continue under a new slogan.

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InselLiebhaber — Wed, 21 May 2008 07:53:15 GMT

NeverendingBS:

I agree with you that each and every one of the candidates has friends, associates, family members, and religous mentors, who have through the magic of sound bites, shown less than desireable traits. Each has made errors in judgement, and some errors which, at first blush, seem to border on criminal.

I agree that we need to look at ourselves and ask if we could have ever, in our wildest imagination, believed that we would invade another country with which we were not at war (I limit this beief to current world situations, because we have a historical precedent, when we invaded the nation of Hawaii).

I would have never believed we would have, could have, imprisoned anyone without charge; denied them counsel; only to release many later and say, "oops... sorry, my bad".

But I still believe we can show ourselves , to the rest of the world, as a country which adheres to the ideals it professes.

Oddly enough, I believe that will happen this election, no matter who becomes our next president. Sound unrealistic? Maybe, but I prefer that to being a cynic.

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neverendingBS — Wed, 21 May 2008 08:24:21 GMT

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07001 — Wed, 21 May 2008 11:17:05 GMT

"CHANGE IS COMING TO AMERICA" Obama was created by the Grand Wizard of Chicago, campaign strategist, David Axelrod. The same creator of a former South-Side Chicagoan, Deval Patrick, the governor of Massachusetts A campaign of CHANGE and HOPE..including the verbatim speeches of Deval Patrick. Obama’s strategy is the same-old, recycled and passed-on platform of the Patrick campaign.

Massachusetts Democrats were all excited about this "Different" candidate, this "Historic" candidate, this candidate that was going to "change" things. His rhetoric soared. He asked people to "believe". He eluded to people like JFK, RFK and MLK as if he and his "Words" belonged in in their league. Deval Patrick made plenty of Hope-y Change-y promises and the people of Massachusetts fell for it. They were going to get a new kind of leader, a different kind of politics. What they got instead was a wimp who caved in on every single issue he promised to address.... No surprise to anybody who sees through catchy, mesmerizing rhetoric with precious few details, Deval Patrick is a dismal disappointment to Massachusetts. His flowery speeches and promises have turned out to be Just Words as, issue by issue, Patrick has proven to be either a coward, a liar or inept.... Fool Me Once Shame on You….Fool Me Twice Shame on Me.

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jpbless — Wed, 21 May 2008 11:38:03 GMT

One thing is obvious...Hillary has impassioned her supprters to be blindly vicious. That usually happens when a candidate runs a negative campaign that's fashioned to win at all costs. However... lets go ahead and destroy the Democratic just like Hillary and her supporters are clamoring.

Hillary and her supporters should just go ahead and vote Mccain as most are threatening... Then come 2012 Obama supporters should [rather would] return the favor and vote the Republican candidate even if that person is a George Walker Bush clone... and the cycle repeats. Since Hillary supporters are in a "Hillary or else" mode then there's not much left to do than write Democratic Party's obituary.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 11:53:57 GMT

Hey, good job, America. We are insisting that the rest of the world adopt Democracy. We vote, you don't. Our way is better. Vote for your leaders, rest of the world, and then everybody will have the people in office that they want. The majority wins.

Here, let us show you how to vote. Our choice in 2000, as an example, Al Gore. Well, yes, he won, but we did have just a little trouble there. Votes don't always win.

We did botch that a little bit, but democracy isn't perfect. We'll get it right in 2008.

Now, in 2008, let's see, now, we have majorities of votes for two candidates. This is America, where everybody wins.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 11:56:19 GMT

If you think that this is a mess, wait until November.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 12:05:37 GMT

See, you need to go to Democracy school, rest of the world.

Democracy school is where you learn how to make it seem to your citizens that they vote for candidates for office and the one with the most votes win. But, there are exceptions. Sometimes the voters do not think right. In that case, you need to set up systems where there are "Voter Elders".

The Voter Elders are old and wise and they sit around and watch you vote. Then, if they think that you don't really know how to vote, they have "Giant Votes". They hold the Giant Votes back until you have all voted your best.

But, the Voter Elders gather and have a Hum and Haw session. The Hum and Haw session is where the Elder Voters look at your votes and if they do not think that you thought right when you voted, then they lift up the "Vote Table" where your votes are gathered and slide the votes over to the other side, where you should have had the wisdom to vote in the first place.

This is called the "Giant Vote Slide". Sometimes they cast them. Giant Votes.

So, rest of the world, get Democracy. Sometimes we even go to war against you if you don't get Democracy. That is what our present president, who we did not elect, has done in Iraq. At least, that's what he said he is doing.

So, Rest of the World, get democracy. Or else.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

jayarr — Wed, 21 May 2008 12:21:23 GMT

Hillary will not get the nomination for a simple but undeniable reason---sexism. When Obama began to roll and evolve into a viable alternative to Hillary, the press, party , main financial sources, and political gurus, all dominated by the male gender , greased the way for him. I am glad to see racism diminishing in the electoral process, and Obama is indeed an attractive candidate, but the male "elite" have almost gleefully united to block Hillary's nomination, abdicating their past loyalties to the Clintons, the Party, and responsibilities to the country . Their position as the dominating gender in our culture is being threatened by an able, experienced and forceful female who they just don't like and frankly are afraid of. The bias against her is almost palpable and history will be much kinder to her than her male counter parts have been.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Amma — Wed, 21 May 2008 12:28:47 GMT

Andrew you dont understand Change is Happening, because you dont have a clue how deep racism and national chauvinism has been over 100s of years in this country. Not just against Blacks, but also against Indians or so called native americans, asians, latinos, muslims, jews... Many white Americans still believe they have a superior race, culture and intellect, and this has gotten us in trouble all over the world. America is isolated and looked upon as Barbarian. The significance or Oregon is a victory for America. It rejects the old thinking that a white candidate is inherently superior, that we will vote for a candidate because she is a woman or a black; this vote was one for integrity. Every one knows Hillary has more ghosts in her closet, has told so many lies, pits black against latino, women against men, young against old. She did not denounce and reject Rush Limbaugh (which interesting you have nothing to say about that), who is spearheading Operation Chaos to inject racism into the forefront of the campaign and destroy the democratic party. Nor did she support Obamas call to bridge the racial divide, which even Newt Gingrich and her own minister supported. Obamas lead in the polular and delegate vote is a repudiation against backward thinking that will do American harm domestically and offshore. This is a multi-cultural nation and diverse world. If Americans will only vote for or respect their own kind, they cannot lead in the global economy. Our goods will be boycotted. If we cannot come together and deal with the power of large corporate america, we will continue to eat cloned food that contains a fraction of the nutrients of organic food... This campaign is historic. It challenges all Americans to do what is best for America, to vote for someone you can trust. We are at war and our economy is on a downward spiral. But, the people united will never be defeated. We will work hard together, right wing, left wing, black, Indian, Asian, jew. Enough of the divides and the great white hope. The people of Iowa and Oregon, and Hawaii, and North Carolina and Illinois and the majority of States, blue and red are coming together for the first time in my lifetime. Like Michelle, i was a baby during the Martin Luther King days. And we are so sick of national oppression and American Chauvinism in the media and power structure. These honest to goodness people voted for change. and by God this is a Great Day for America, believe or not!

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cnn357 — Wed, 21 May 2008 12:37:40 GMT

So now here come the sexism claims. She complains about getting ganged up on by Edwards and Obama..claims its sexism. But she is a Clinton and the front runner but cries foul. "The boys wont play nice" Cmon...I never heard "She is only where she is because she is a woman" But we heard "Obama is only where he is because he is black" From her campaign. But its sexism that kept her down. Sexism is why she came in last in Iowa? I think its because of her "lets suggeest Obama may have delt drugs" and "his 2nd grade paper says he wanted to be president" strategy.

But I guess she never heard of "Iowa nice".

I think sex brought her a win in NH after women rallied after the cry incident (nothing wrong with crying though)

The press was a bit sexist though I will admitt. But making fun of her pant suits and calling her shrill does not cost people an election.

Blaming her loss on sexism is a cop out. There were pleanty of factors that came from her.

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x2c2 — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:09:43 GMT

Let the election continue, Obama has won in all likelihood, But at least the last few weeks have been about policy and not personality. McSame keeps backing himself into the war corner with no concept about the economic and social problems that face this country. While everyone is still a little raw from a hard fought primary, people with a brain and a heart will vote democrat in November. With the sheer number of newly registered democrats and the examples in LA and MS as example of what to expect in November, all the Republicans should be shaking in their shoes.

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a415 — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:11:40 GMT

What a shame! To think that a women who once seemed to have such exulted ideals has stooped to probably one of the worse things one can do in our modern (?maybe?) society...add fuel to our already tragic racial divide. To have so many whites in Kentucky say they would not vote for a black person is appaling, especially since Mrs. Clinton fuled that fire just days before of the vote. When she said Barack Obama could not capture the "White Vote", I swear I thought I was listening to a staunch racist Republican. Yes, I know she was quoting an AP article (and that was bad enough!), but she and surrogate husband Bill Clinton has said several disturbing things related to race. Then to have as many people suckered into believeing that sort of rubbish, or outright claiming to not being able to vote for a man because he is black??? How utterly sad. I would love to feel differently, as I once did, about Hillary Clinton, but at this point I can only feel a certain amount of disgust. And not only for her, but also for so many narrow-minded people who could possibly say they would not vote for a person solely based upon race. Fortunately not all people feel this way, as votes for Barack, particularely in quite a few predominately WHITE states has shown. The fact is, as a nation we are/have been making TREMENDOUS strides in equality fo all people, blacks, whites, hispanics, practically all ethnicities, gay and straight people, as well as women and men. No, the work needed to truely attain these equalities is hardly finished. I'd dare say some of the work has only recently started. But I feel we are fortunately to be able to point to real changes in the way at least some people are able to go through life. Barack Obama is showing that. Actually, Hillary Clinton, being a women, has also shown that. Unfortunately she has also shown a very negative side of herself, a side no American deserves out of a real leader. And that's what is now needed in this wonderful land of ours, real Leadership. My only wish now is that one day, ALL people will be able to look at each other without racial animosity. We are already firmly on that path. May we each lend our help to the endeavor, and keep our minds open to future possibilities. Go America!!!

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Amma — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:17:52 GMT

Also, Andrew... you cannot change 100s of years of thinking in one campaign. We have made progress because of the Obama campaign, from the botton and the top. Historically poor whites have been pitted against blacks since slavery. We didnt have slavery in Oregon, at least not at the level as it existed in the Southern states. When blacks were *freed*, they were often given the jobs of poor whites. They migrated up to West Virginia, Ohio and up the east coast. We have been pitted against each other based on jobs in particular for 100s of years by the power structure, using divide and conquer tactics.The same is true with immigrants. Even in the unions, the KKK were used to break up the united workers movement. So, its not simply Iowa and Oregon is more liberal so they voted for Obama. There are alot of deep wounds to be healed, especially by older Americans. We need the dialogue that Obama called for to deal with the pains of the current and the past, to better understand each other -- we do not need to promote the divide to get a candidate elected. A leader would have denounced Operation Chaos and those individuals that infiltrated the Hillary campaign in conspiracy to destory Obamas candidacy -because it was the right thing to do, because we dont need a divided democratic party or nation. Obama was gentlemen at all times in dealing with Hillary. And to those who call him a whimp, you cannot be black. Because if you knew American history, a black man who disrepects a white woman is lynched. Many white men have raped black women over the years, but that doesnt make the news. But let a black man hurt a white woman.... It takes a great deal of strength and wisdom to not retaliate in a negative way, and refuse to be reduced to a lower level. Hillary baited him constantly. Obama refrained from attacking her personally. So, then the opportunist knock him for being weak and having intelligence... In business it is easier to take a bribe, and look the other way then to do the right thing and stand your ground. We need to use our diversity to strengthen our position in the global economy. We need to promote strong business ethics, hard work and lead with integrity and moral authority. Not superiority. Because if we swallow in our racism, we can only have martial law and a prison economy to look forward to, and endless war. Some seek to conquer other nations, rather than use our intelligence, foresight and strength to build the nation on fair trade. If this backward thinking continues to rule, and we dont have change -- the majority of Americans of all races, age and culture will sink to extreme poverty. We are losing jobs today... People are becoming desperate. We are being further pitted against each other, and the stereotypes on tv are at an all time high, at least until Obama hit the scene and is actions reverse the negative media. I personally honor the people of Iowa in particular, who are my heroes and have helped to put America on the right course. It was beffiting for Obama to go back to Iowa after his special victory, this was a humble thing to do. BTW, Good leaders must fight and exercise humility.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:18:25 GMT

I can already tell Obama thinks he already has the nomination in the bag, and he may. I've been a Hillary supporter from the start, and yesterday, I signed up at the John McCain website, as soon as I find out Obama is the nominee and not Hillary, I'll sign on to the McCain website and click the button "Contribute" and will continue to do so until Obama is history. I don't care if we're living in poverty and if we're in Iraq for the next 1000 years, I'd rather have McCain lead the nation than a naive "kmnow-it-all." Even now, his speeches lack substance. He goes on and on "A better tomorrow" " Change, change, change" "Yes we can" It's blah blah blah really. He's living in la la land and so are so many others. I'd rather someone tell me how it really is than tell me everything I want to hear. Well anyway, it's a moot point, he'll NEVER win the general election. Never,

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Micky Marsh — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:22:44 GMT

One day closer to the beginning.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

mkgubbon — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:44:50 GMT

Dear Mr.Brit Hume and Fox News:

Americans were shocked and appalled at the enhanced/altered clip you showed on your show last night of Presidential canidate Hillary Clinton with enlarged breasts and you saying, “This is how Hillary Clinton will get the rest of the super delegate votes!” With laughing and chuckling following! An immediate public apology needs to be put on the air and the radio for this “Severe, Derogatory Gender Slur” and to all newspapers. What if this clip was of Michelle Obama, what if this was of Barack Obama with an enhanced penis and the same quote from you?

This was not only disrespectful of a Presidential canidate but it was done in such bad taste and at the time Presidential canidate was winning in Kentucky. Millions of people were watching your show, including children! Our nation needs unbiased, fair and balanced news from our network, not bared breasts of Presidential candidates with derogatory remarks! SHAME ON; YOU AND SHAME ON THE FOX NETWORK FOR LETTING YOUR RUN THIS! What if that was your wife, your daughter, your mother? The Obama voters have spoken!

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mkgubbon — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:45:50 GMT

Dear Mr.Brit Hume and Fox News:

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:46:29 GMT

Gosh, RDOMINGUEZ, If you are a Hillary supporter, then I presume that you are a democrat and not a republican. But, if you vote for Mc Cain, then I presume that you are a republican, not a democrat. I hope that when you don't get your way in your family, that you do not disown your mama.

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Micky Marsh — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:46:56 GMT

All men were created by God, some of us don't seem to understand but they will understand later. This election will is racing against racism but will not erase racism, because its rooted in the hearts of men. I believe that many white americans will not vote for Senator Obama because he's a black man, its a real shame. There is not much time left, he that is unjust let him be unjust still, he that racist let him be a racist still and he that is Godly let him be Godly still.

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News and Notes — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:47:24 GMT

I'm tired of Obama supporters talking down to Hillary supporters. I'm tired of Obama supporters accusing Hillary supporters of being racist. Hillary has been on the national scene for 16 years and Obama for 3. I'm even more tired of Obama supporters accusing Hillary of destroying the party. The DNC is entirely responsible for this quagmire, with the ridiculous method of pledged delegates, the existence of super delegates, and the overly punitive treatment of Michigan and Florida. Let people vote, let super delegates speak, let Hillary do what her supporters are asking her to do, and let the process end on its own time. Save the insults for McCain.

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mkgubbon — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:48:01 GMT

Dear Mr.Brit Hume and Fox News:

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:50:37 GMT

There is, you know, a vast difference between democratic policy and republican policy. If you support democratic policy, hardly different between Hillary and Obama, then who cares who carries it out. If you dislike republican policy, then why would you ever vote for it? If spite is the reason, then we just have to hope that there are enough educated voters who do not vote for spite to get us a decent government again.

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lisas — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:52:16 GMT

To: RDOMINGUEZ (May 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM)

Democrats like you with a name like DOMINGUEZ should know why change in this country is often a good thing. Without positive change it is unlikely that someone with a name like DOMINGUEZ will every have a chance of being President.

John McCain was once a independent man who deserved much respect. Sadly, because time is not on his side and in an effort to win over the religious right, he has allowed himself to morph imto a Bush clone. A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same.

If you are happy with the current status of the country, then your vote for McCain will be a solid affirmation of that happiness.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:56:38 GMT

The Excuse For a Government which we have endured for the past almost eight years just has to go. It has already made a guaranteed smudge on history that will stand as an example for finally putting our electoral process in some reliable order. The rush to be first by Florida and Michigan, the hanging chads of 2000, the election of Al Gore stolen before our very eyes, and I might add, the idiotic fixation on the color or ethnicity of a candidate for office over all other considerations just needs to fade away, the sooner the better.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:58:21 GMT

I'm guessing your're suggesting I'm hispanic? Well the Clintons have ALWAYS stood up for hispanics, and now we will stand up for her. Through the good and the bad, I plan on sending a message to the Democratic Party, whatever the cost. If it costs me in the future, my family and future families. SO BE IT.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:58:42 GMT

We all have names. Dominguez is just as good a name as any other in this country. It has no political significance. It is an honorable name and deserves just as much respect as Jones or lisas.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

summer4077 — Wed, 21 May 2008 13:59:50 GMT

To: lisas

Wow. I'm sad to call you a fellow American. Do you realize that MANY people with Latin last names have been in this country LEGALLY for hundreds of years? Last names mean nothing. It brings to mind the discrimination my Irish ancestors faced when coming here, forced to drop the "O'" in front of their surnames to be more "American", whatever that means.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:00:25 GMT

One vote in millions is not a message. Millions of votes are a message.

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josemarti — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:04:58 GMT

Senator Obama = St. George

Hillary= the dragon

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:05:03 GMT

I want a president who stands up for everybody. We have endured a president whose administration has stood up for a privileged few and let the rest drown and starve in New Orleans, "good job, Brownie", "let them be evicted if they can't pay the mortgage let by the credit industry that we have empowered to steal from the general public", and other political and military atrocities.

If we do not learn to get along with each other, we will fall into the Shia Sunni trap where we kill each other in our own streets over 1000 year old ethnic arguments. Wake up.

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summer4077 — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:07:19 GMT

Ok, obviously I'm naive here b/c I don't understand why the media keeps claiming that Obama is going to win. They have never looked at it like, "Who will win??" but only "Is this win Hillary will finally be beaten and drop out?" Hasn't Hillary won just as many states as Obama? And hasn't she been ahead in polls just as many times as he has, if not more? I don't get it. It seems that Obama is the media's golden child, and they keep forcing his "imminent" victory down our throats, which slighting the very real progress and wins made by Hillary.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:08:01 GMT

There are others, scroll down, I also plan to organize as well others who feel as stonrgly as I do. Look at the polls, Joh McCain stands to pick up MILLIONS of votes from Hillary supporters. I do not stand alone. Many people do not believe in Obama, so I do not stand alone. If you think I'm the only one, you haven't looked around.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:11:14 GMT

I'm hoping Hillary will win the nomination. That would be the best thing. Then she will most definitely be president. Honestly, with or without my vote, even if I stayed home and didn't vote McCain, Obama still won't win.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:14:47 GMT

And by the way, the Clintons have "stood up" for the Clintons. Bill Clinton claimed to be our first black president, standing up for black people. Then, when black people didn't vote for Hillary in the percentage that he wanted, he turned on them in an instant. If I were of an ethnic group which I thought that he stood up for, I might consider whether he is standing up for me or standing up for Bill Clinton at my expense.

The president had better stand up for everybody. We will accept nothing less.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:17:52 GMT

The press looked at the numbers. The numbers. It's the numbers.

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raddave — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:18:46 GMT

zorule who is this Obama Hussein you keep referring to? The Democratic nominee is Barack Obama, sure his middle name is Hussein, but "Obama Hussein" is a figment of your imagination. He must be because there have not been any reports of Barack Obama "sniffing cocaine and smoking pot." Also, Your refer to "Obama Hussein" as a camel jockey, which is a derogative name for an Arabic person. Since Barack Obama's father was from Kenya, which is in Africa, he is not of Arabic descent and if you wanted to insult him, you should have used the derogative word that begins with "N". At least get your racial slurs correct! I am a true democrat and whoever is the democratic nominee, I will vote for them.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:19:04 GMT

I don't blame Bill, they turned his back on him first. The Clinton's have always stoof up for blacks, and when they needed them most, they turned their backs. Don't blame Bill for that.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:19:31 GMT

stood

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:20:10 GMT

OLDERWISER: It's what the Obama campaign says that's all that matters... The numbers the numbers... so which is it?

HAHAHA

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:22:45 GMT

I believe that they simply voted. A vote is not turning one's back. A vote is the process of selecting a package of promises to make policy. The package that Mc Cain offers is the package that we have now. He is trying to slip sideways from Bush, but he is trapped in the web of the past seven years.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Micky Marsh — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:23:51 GMT

Democracy will forever stand

Republican is not my land

forgive them if they mis-understand

indeed we're all Americans

Democrats we're the optimists

lets stay ahead of the critics

lets build the economy

Join Barack Obama the economist

Look to the head of class

Senator Barack Obama is here at last

Thanks to the American lads

Democracy spell victory in USA Land

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

wyl5326 — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:24:48 GMT

Barack have been toying with Hill starting with WV as he only showed up once on each state where she was expected to win. So Hill's win on those states are all hallow as Barack is just letting her win to give her boast in ego as he even refuses to criticize her anymore. So ignoring her is the best strategy for Barack even as she desperately tries to clobber him any which way she can. Perhaps after getting chastised by party insiders, she restrained herself but her fighter character just won't die down. She's someone who will die from the absence of a fight in her life and so she is now picking for a fight with the media. Is that the kind of president you really like who would like to keep on fighting ? Even her own voters have judged her to be unfairly attacking Barack and that only mean one thing - the Clintons are pathological liars who were responsible for divisiveness. That's a fact and nobody can dispute that now, either the Dems or the GOPs. The only difference is that the GOPs knew this long ago while the Dems have just found out from this campaign. Have the Dems knew their real sleazy character, perhaps they would also push for Bill's impeachment before.

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:25:29 GMT

"The numbers" refers to the blogger who implied that the press was prejudiced for one of the candidates as opposed to the other by concluding victory was near. I was illustrating that they looked at the numbers and saw that it is impossible for the other candidate to prevail outside of some miracle.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:31:51 GMT

Adios, mi amigo, senor Dominguez. Es un placer para conocerle. Que le vaya bien. Ahora, voy a trabajar. Que tenga buena suerte.

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News and Notes — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:33:55 GMT

The numbers say nobody will have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. FL & MI have not participated in the process yet. There is no nominee yet, although the odds favor Obama at the moment. Let the process work itself out. It is arrogant to wonder why Hillary is still in the race, or to conclude we know who the nominee will be. It is disrespectful to the tens of millions of Hillary supporters

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Luluki — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:36:46 GMT

The author's information is sadly flawed. In his first claim: "According to Barack Obama, "change is coming to America." He must not be watching the same nominating contest as the rest of us." Of course Andrew Romano is dead wrong because Obama clearly has more votes, more states, more delegates, and now more superdelegates than Clinton.

Secondly, Andrew Romano walked down the wrong road again when he said: " ... the Democratic Party having long ago fractured into two warring factions--in this corner, Hillary Clinton's whiter, older, bluer-collar, more heavily female supporters; in that corner, Obama's coalition of African-Americans and upscale, metropolitan, progressive Caucasians--any dunce could've predicted the outcome of today's primaries in Oregon ...". The inference is that Obama lead in Oregon because of Blacks, that is totally laughable. Let's be totally clear, almost all of Obama's wins are primarily because of White Women; white men are his second largest demographic, And when you start to parce out income, education, and age not just race (but including race), Blacks as a demographic are far less responsible for Obama's wins.

Blacks amount for less than 13% of the US population, and a tiny amount of the electorate, the numbers are even lower when it come to primaries. Obama's success is due to the lead of smart progressive White women like Obama's mother that is paving the way for America.

I too thought it was Hillary's time/turn in the White House, but for whatever reason, it is clear to me that, that this election cycle is no longer based on the norm, Obama was right - - "Change is coming to America," and so too the world.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:42:09 GMT

Thanks Older Wiser, nothing personal. I'm honestly sorry it's come to this, well maybe it won't. But frankly, I'm scared of what would happen if we elect Obama. I don't think he can keep the promises he's made, they seem unrealiztic to me. So if I have to pick between a realism and a dreamer and to me, those are the options... I'll pick realism. It'll cost me no doubt, but I think it's the right choice. It's not about Republicans or Democrats to me, I'll always vote on the candidates. I don't believe there is a perfect party, and I like things about both. You and I both know that John McCain would not have been the Republican's first choice and he's all they have. I believe it could be much worse, I think he's saying a lot of things he needs to, to win his people, but I don't find him as repulisive as Bush. Granted, I hope to be able to vote Hillary in the general election, if not, I'll be just fine voting McCain. I'll at least know what I'm in for.

Over and Out....

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:09:53 GMT

pearsoncrz - Your electoral map claim is some more good delusional thought from a Clinton supporter. How is it that you think Hillary can win states like OH, PA, etc. and Obama cannot? That fuzzy logic only works if Clinton supporters refuse to support Obama, which of course, they are now threatening to do. It's a sad shame and I'm embarrassed by those "so called Democrats".

Obama has had as much, if not more, reason to be upset about the way Hillary has treated him thoughout this primary process. She has done many things to attack his character rather than his policies. Geraldine Ferraro's examples of "sexist" behavior from Obama are outrageous. Now Clinton is saying that racism hasn't matter but sexism has!!! What about the 20% of voters in WV and Kentucky who said that race mattered in their vote? 9 out of 10 of them voted for Clinton!!! It's a good thing race hasn't mattered.

I thank Underdog for his clear understanding of the FL and MI issue. Hillary is now claiming that she believes EVERYONE deserves to vote and that popular vote matters most. If she believed that in her heart she would have never agreed to disenfranchise FL and MI in the first place. She also should have been screaming her lungs out about abandoning the entire delegate system since it isn't equal to the popular vote. Funny that I never heard her call for that change. Suddenly she is the champion of the rights of FL and MI voters' rights. Do you think she would have taken on that roll if she were ahead in the race? I didn't think so.

Barack Obama has not been perfect, will not be perfect, and at least admits that fact. But he is awill be a drastic improvement over the Bush administration. John McCain will not help this country get to where it needs to be. Hillary can stay in this race till after Puerto Rico if she wants, but she'd better work damned hard to make sure her supporters see the light. Like it or not, that will be one of her legacies at this point.

Jayarr - I think you are very wrong on your sexism comment. There are numerous reasons why Hillary is losing this election process and sexism is only a small part of it. I personally would be very glad to vote for a woman as long as she is the best candidate in the field. I think most men would agree with that sentiment. But Hillary's campaign has been poorly run and managed. She has no one to blame but herself and staff.

Hillary started out with a massive head start. She had Bill and Chelsea in her corner to campaign for her. She had the money and the vast network of connections. Yet she didn't even come close to winning in Iowa because she assumed everyone wanted her as the candidate. Meanwhile Obama knew what he was up against and he created a brilliant campaign and strategy to make it happen. No one in the DNC or democratic elite was pulling for Obama at the beginning. How many superdelegates did Hillary have at the beginning? Yet with all that to her advantage she still isn't winning. Why? Because of the baggage she has and her "win at any cost" attitude. Too many people have found too many reasons to dislike her. I used to be a strong supporter of hers but her (and Bill's) behavior in this campaign have caused me to lose pretty much all respect for them. But, in the long run, I would hold my nose and vote for her if she won the nomination fair and square. I guess that the difference between myself and her supporters; I can see the forest for the trees.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:23:54 GMT

I think the key nomoreshrub is that you say you would hold your nose and vote for her "if she won fair and square" You'll never believe if she were to win that it was "fair and square" at this point would you? If the DNC gave her the nomination at this point would you vote for Hillary?

"Fair and Square" is relative these days, we (Hillary Supporters) believe "Fair and Square" to mean one thing and Obama supporters think it's another.

Quite a dilemma.

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:33:43 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ - I think it's sad that you are afraid of Obama because you are not sure he can deliver what he proposes. No candidate ever delivers on the majority of things that he/she proposes. You'd be lucky to find a politician who has been able to deliver on over 50% of the things he/she wanted to accomplish during a term. What's important is what they "want to accomplish". What do they pledge to work towards? What is their vision for our country?

Back in the 90s most rational people said that universal health care was unrealistic and irrational. Would that have been a good reason to NOT VOTE for Hillary Clinton at that time? She has proposed a lot of things during that campaign that she most likely would not be able to deliver either. But we know what she wants for our country. We also know what Obama wants for our country (at least those of us who have been paying attention to the 20-some debates and keeping up with the news).

I urge you to find a better reason to support a candidate. Barack Obama is not an unrealistic person. He may have grand dreams, but they doesn't mean he is unrealistic in his intentions. He will compromise and work with other people to make the best progress possible. He's shown his ability to do just that during his work in Illinois.

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tjirish34 — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:38:55 GMT

nomoreshrub, Great Post. Totally agree. Obama simply ran a better campaign under the rules presented in primary. I get feeling from Hillary supporters he is somehow suppose to apologize for that. Hillary has campaign strategist who created some of rules she has complained about. Ickes, Terry M. Hillary assumed she was going to win and had no plan after Super Tuesday. Which since she is a lawyer is odd. I once hired a very good lawyer who gave me some bad news in middle of some litigation. The case ended up my way but at time my attorney said he had to be prepared for worse case scenario. Hillary never prepared for that scenario and it doomed her campaign. That's why her campaign was all over the place message wise after Super Tuesday (what happened to the gas tax holiday?). This turned voters off even more. I am looking forwad to general election and I see McCain making some mistakes. He better learn quickly that Bush connected to him is BAD! McCain piled on that speech Bush gave in Israel and Zogby reporting it hurt McCain.

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:44:54 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ - Give me your take on fair and square. My take would be that we let the whole process conclude as the DNC rules dictate. We let the rest of the states (except MI and FL at this point) and P.R. vote. Like it or not, MI and FL committed their own crime and got what was promised to them. That does not mean that I don't think they should have representation at the convention, but it would be absolutely wrong for the votes that have been cast in those states to stand. A re-vote, or a split of the delegates based on the overall popular vote results, or something like that would be the only thing close to fair. Unfortunately a re-vote is not likely to happen and the FL and MI voters should take their anger out on their own legislators for getting them into this, not Obama.

So this all begs the question, do we need to change the election process? Maybe. But what is fair? Should be the overall popular vote and then a candidate can win by one vote? At least then I could truly say that my one vote could matter. That opens up a whole new can of worms, but it's an option. If the general worked that way then Al Gore would have been the president in '04.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:45:43 GMT

nomoreshrub-

1st- You didn't answer my question. If at this point, the DNC gave Hillary the nomination would you vote for her or would you think it was stolen. What would you do?

And secondly, I'm not "AFRAID" of Obama, for me, he's not experienced enough, I actually find him nauseating, his speeches, the empty promises. As I said, I don't vote Democrat just for the sake of voting a Democrat in. I want someone with experience. I don't believe in universal healthcare actually and I wish Obama and Hillary would leave it, we have bigger fish to fry at the moment. Anyhow, Obama is not an option, not even considering him. It has nothing to do with spite or the fact that I may not get my way, I feel there are really two true candidates who are capable and that is Hillary or McCain. I think there are real benefits to the war, although I would like to see us pulled out. But if not ok. I guess you could say I'm not a hardcore Democrat, but when it comes time to choose sides, I'll choose McCain or Hillary and as I've done for Hillary, I'll try and get others on my side. You also need to be honest with yourself, Obama will NEVER beat McCain. So if it's the Demoratic Party you're fighting for, you need to swallow your pride and admit Hillary is the only candidate to beat McCain. She can play his game and beat him at it. Obama is nowhere near as viable a candidate as McCain, and he'll never beat him. So if you're trying to do what's best for the party, then Hillary is the one that can win. I know you don't like that, but it's the truth, and if you don't see it now, you'll see it come November. (If Hillary is the nominee and beats McCain or If Obama is the nominee and loses against McCain)

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:48:14 GMT

You know, it's hard to say. At this point, I think Hillary can fight the better fight. Thanks to MI and FL there will always be a question as to who really won? Thanks MI and FL! I'm really upset about that, and I think at this point both sides will question. Fair and Square would have truly been if they would have followed the rules and voted when they were supposed to. We can blame all this "what if" on MI and FL.

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JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:51:58 GMT

Bravo Nomoreshrub!!! Well said...you capture exactly!

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:56:19 GMT

Thanks tj - I do think it is a bit comical that, like you say, McAullife and Ickes were the ones who previously vehemently disallowed states from changing their primary dates. They said it would lead to an avalanche that would end up with Puerto Rico voting in November (or something along those lines). They were right to say what they said then but now that think they can do a 180 and expect the rules to be changed for them.

While I feel honest disappointment for the MI and FL voters for what has happened, I think most of them have directed their anger and rage at the wrong people. It was their own state leaders (that includes the Dems in FL, not just the Reps) who created these problems, even after they were warned of the consequences. Those are the people who deserve the wrath. In FL it was a Dem who sponsored the bill and there were 0 (yes I said ZERO) democrats who voted against it. So focus your anger on the right people everyone!

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LOU4077 — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:00:46 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ-- Even with Michigan and Florida, Hillary still loses. WHAT PART OF THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. OBAMA HAS A MAJORITY. SO Lets say we'll not disinfranchise the voters in FL and MI and overturn the will of the people in the rest of the 48 states. Sounds like Clinton double-speak. Let her stay in the race untill the end of Obama's first term. It's not my contributions she's wasting. By the way, her behavior is amusing while she hangs on: nothing like watching a Cl;inton die a slow death.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:01:28 GMT

I agree, it's the leaders who we should be mad at. In election of this sort where we have a black man and a white woman running against each other for the nomination, there needed to be no question who the winner was. There always will be now thanks to them.

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LOU4077 — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:02:05 GMT

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:03:31 GMT

LOU- My vote for McCain has nothing to do with the fairness of it all. If she gets the nomination great, if not, the only other option for me is McCain. Obama is just not ready for this sort of position. He'd like to think he is, you'd like to think he is, but he's not.

What part of the majority delegates do I not understand? I think it's the "THE" hahahaha

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LOU4077 — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:15:08 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ. You seem thoughtful and informed on the issues. You make good points. My problem with Hillary is her sincerity and honesty about her record. She counts NAFTA in state like California where the tech sector benefited somewhat. She runs away from NAFTA in Pennsylvania where it has destroyed the unions and the manufacturing industry there. I still recall her comments about Bosnia. Further, she speaks of 35 years of experience. Where? as a CDC volunteer, as a lawyer of Rose Law firm. as a board member of Walmart who drafted import contracts with China, as first lady for eight years with not even a basic security clearance. Obama has three years as a Jr Senator in the US Senate and 7 years as a Illinois House member: this totals 10 years as a public servant. Hillary has eight years as an elected official. I hardly call this her "dominant," 35 years experience. Hillary's lies are a function of her mouth movement. She will shortly, be out of our hair. Thank God....

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JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:16:27 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ - Maybe it's time not to have the typical talking head in office? Maybe it's time for something new and someone who isn't so jaded and committed to specific political interest groups? You don't seem very open-minded about the possibilities. It's very sad We are all democrats and if HRC were winning I would vote for her even though I have been disgusted by her behavior throught out this process. You would rather vote for more of the same than something potentially better? That doesn't make sense. McCain has clearly stated he isn't strong matters dealing with the economy and yet the majority of people out there are VERY concerned about the economy. He has put the majority of his focus on the war and yet for most people it much lower on the list of concerns. Does any of that make sense? Really? Eevn HRC herself said that it would be a "grave" mistake to vote McCain.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:19:02 GMT

I'll admit Obama has run a better campaign. His people deserve a raise, they have packaged up an inexperienced senator and sold him to the nation as a man who can be President. They have convinced a majority of people that he can make good on some extreme promises based on a very light past track record. They've convinced a lot of people that he can change the face of politics and have made the media believe he is the best candidate to the job. I think the main strategy of the Obama campaign was the media. Let's make them buy it, then word of mouth, then his name will spread like wild-fire. Which it has. We'll make the media believe he is the candidate to beat and then he will become the candidate to beat. For the most part it's worked. I have to say, they've done well at selling him to the the U.S.. I never thought it would go so far, but they did. I personally, am not buying it. But good for all you who are.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:24:46 GMT

JD- It's a personal decision. I know others are uncomfortable with handing the keys to the nation over to Obama. At the point when Hillary loses the nomination is the point when I stop listening to her. As a Democrat, for he politcal career, she has to endorse Obama or her career as a Democrat is over. I personally believe seeing through party lines for the good of the nation. You think you know what you're getting with Obama but we don't know. He's really new on the scene. It's nothing against you or him, I personally won't vote for him. I'm not a staunch Democrat so I can go with McCain. And honestly, McCain is one of the more liberal Republicans. None of the true Republicans wanted to step up to the plate this time around because a Democrat was "supposed" to win. I'm doing fine financially right now, I live in a housing market that's going to be ok, and I think there are pros and cons to the war, so 4 more years of the same is ok by me. (If it comes to that)

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JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:26:42 GMT

I guess we're not the only ones. Even Mc Cain staffers like Obama. I have attached the latest news from the McCain camp.

Last summer, Mark McKinnon, the former chief media adviser to George W. Bush, and now a top aide to John McCain’s presidential campaign, admitted that he liked Barack Obama so much, he didn’t want to work on the campaign running against Obama and he wouldn’t create negative ads against the Illinois senator if he became the Democratic nominee. Of course, that was easy to say at the time. A year ago, McCain’s campaign was in deep trouble, and Obama still seemed like a relative long-shot. Given that we’re talking about a top-tier politico who was Bush’s top media guy, I assumed he’d come up with some excuse to change his mind. I assumed wrong. Chris Cillizza reports that McKinnon actually meant it . Mark McKinnon, the lead media...

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JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:29:42 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ - yes, you're enititled to your opinion and I respect that.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:31:31 GMT

Don't get me wrong Obama is a "likeable" guy, I think I'd have much more fun hanging out with him than Hillary. BUT- when I hire for a position, I don't look for who's more "likeable." I go for whos' the most qualified and who can do the job... (on day one... hahaha, yeah, yeah I know you guys are sick of hearing that)

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:41:32 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ -

First, these were your exact words as shown below:

"But frankly, I'm scared of what would happen if we elect Obama."

That sounds like you would be AFRAID of an Obama presidency to me. I'm not sure how else to interpret your comment. Maybe you'll enlighten me.

Secondly, no I would not vote for Clinton at this point if the DNC just "gave her the nomination". I don't see how that could possibly be perceived as fair. At this point she hasn't earned a nomination. That's usually how it works. You have to win the right number of delegates and that way you get to be called the winner. I'm not sure which rules you want to play by (and this is the problem with the Clinton camp at this time too) but they don't appear to be any of the rules that have been in place all along.

I staunchly disagree with your assertion that Hillary is more likely to beat McCain. Hillary has a positive ceiling at this point that hovers around 51%. At least half of the people in this country simply don't like her and would never vote for her (and that's not because she's a woman in most cases). Obama has a much higher ceiling, but he'll have to continue to earn it. Hillary has a decent negative basement because there are so many people (yes, mostly women) who will support her no matter what. Obama's negative basement has the "potential" to be lower, but his positive ceiling also has the potential to be much higher than hers.

Just to entertain me, can you let me know what the "bigger to fish to fry" are that you were talking about?

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:50:15 GMT

RD - Please list for me the things that Hillary has done that make her more qualified for the job of POTUS. I'd love to see the short list. Other posters here have made great points about Hillary's lack of official experience but you will obviously stay closed-minded about this. I guess that's your right.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:53:49 GMT

By scared: I meant, he doesn't not know what he is doing and would further drive the nation into the ground. Consider yourself enlightened.

Second: You prove my point, that you give Hillary supporters a bad wrap for not doing "what's right for the party" when you admitted that if the shoe were on the other foot, you would not do what was right and vote for Hillary.

Bigger Fish: Mainly the economy. I think we would sink it further by providing Universal Healthcare. Around the world, those that have more than half will tell you it's not up to par and people die.

And finally, it's your opinion that Obama can beat McCain just as it is mine that Hillary can. Depending on what channel you watch or what article you read some will agree with me and some will agree with you.

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raddave — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:17 GMT

How is Clinton "more qualified" than Obama? Yes, she is has been in the US Senate four more years than Obama has been, but Obama has been an elected politician since 1996. I do not think that the eight years was the first lady qualifies as political experience. Have you been listening to McCain lately? He doesn't sound like a "liberal Republican"

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:00:48 GMT

You know it's ridiculous for me to list every accomplishment Hillary has, there's so many, go to her website and check it out if you want to see. And fault me for it, but I thought Bill was a great president, granted not perfect(NAFTA) but GREAT. So she gets credit from me having Bill around.

Michelle Obama doesn't even compare to Bill. Let's face it our spouses have input on our lives, especially when they have experience with our respective careers.

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zouavetim — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:11:30 GMT

Won't it be great when the primary season is officially over and we have an actual nominee!! At that time - all of US need to get past whatever disappointments we may have if our candidate did not win, and get on to that which is critical for the Nation and all of US! We are either for Clinton or Obama. Both talk about the changes needed! On most issues that agree more than they disagree! We believe in the change they talk about! If we allow those hopes and dreams for change to go up in smoke because we either won't vote for the winner, or we don't vote at all - who wins? It isn't the Nation or us - it is the Republicans - they will look at it as the people electing them because of what they've been doing for 7+ years . They'll see it as legitimizing the failed policies of the George W. Bush presidency!! McCain will consider it our green light for him to give us more of the same! WE ARE SMARTER THAN THAT!! WE MAY HAVE OUR DISAPPOINTMENTS, BUT THE GREATER GOOD OF THE NATION IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT! Let's cry, rant, rave and whatever else helps us get over things - then let us come together for the victory we all know is needed!!!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:16:17 GMT

Well zouavetim, it's a nice thought, but if Obama is the nominee there will not be a Democrat in the White House. His skeletons Rezko, Wright,lack of experience, will all be thrown in his face and the people will vote McCain. It's critical if you want a Democrat in the White House that Hillary be the nominee. But I sound like a broken record. If you want to see my argument, scroll down. We can just go round and round and round,...exhausting.

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raddave — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:24:41 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ, don't you think McCain's skeletons will come up, ie. charles Keating? Maybe the fact that he has flip-flopped on major issues, such as abortion, illegal immigration, tax cuts. What about the fact that he possibly broke the campain laws that he co-sponsored?

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Amma — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:32:02 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ, Obama nor his camp ever said that a single man can make a difference. His campaign is based on a multi-cultural grassroot movement, and relies on the hard work and continued dialogue of people from diverse backgrounds to move American forward. Local folk must come up with action plans, and agendas that speak to specific needs that vary from state to state, community to community. But they will be supported by a progressive white house that is not owned by lobbyist. It is only the people that can make a difference. The experience of the Clintons when in office was gridlock. Many local initiative got beat up by the same right wing conspiracy that ran them out of office, and the Clintons did not help us at all. they were so busy putting out fires and dealing with personal agendas that did not involve the people. Hillary is a so called populist now, but was not when she started the campaign, nor when they were in the office. She alienated fellow democrats, ie., with getting universal health care, and the Clintons could not get anything passed the gridlock in the House and Senate. Obviously, if you were involved in improving the nation then you would know about the Clinton experience and would get past the rhetoric of Hillary. Clearly she is out to serve her own agenda, even if it means siding with McCain, and Rush Limbaugh. She voted for the war, now she says she is against it, yet she baits Iran into a nuclear war. Threatening to obliviate them only spurs them on, it does not neutralize the Iranians. They probably figure if she voted for a war that is viewed by the International community, the United Nations and the European Union as unlawful, why would she stop there? The ultra conservatives are doing everything they can to maintain the racial divide, even if it means destroy the economy. They want to be sure they are the top dog under martial law. But, the mortage crisis impacts banking, real estate development. tax basis that supports schools.. a recent article said that all of the banks will be laying off 10% to 20% of employees. No American is recession proof. Republicans too ultimately will gain nothing out of this unjust war, and are cutting their own throats by supporting McCain. Unless one gets a kick out of the murder and torture of innocent people. Of families and children living without jobs, schools or basic necessities such as food and water. American people are better than that as a whole. Sure there are some blatant racist as we note on this blogs. But most Americans are honest to goodness. Look, McCain admits he will continue the war until we win. Win what? there are no chemical weapons. does he want to kill all muslims. what then is he fighting for? McCain is a national chauvinist and the Clintons are self-serving. They are one and the same to me. I cannot forgive Hillary for not denouncing and rejecting Rush Limbaugh and Operation Chaos. Let her keep promoting the racial divide, (now the gender divide) and she will ruin her political future, unless she moves to Kentucky that is. Or runs on the republican ticket like her buddy Lierberman. And i think most republicans are better than McCain and Hillary. Hopefully, they will vote this round for Obama and help us get back on track for all of our sake!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:24 GMT

Well if you guys think he can win than great. I honestly do not. I guess you'll show me. I disagree but I'm only one vote. Let's see what happens I guess. It's all out of our hands at this point. Let the chips fall where they may.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:41:39 GMT

One comment about the war, there are families that need our protection and depend on it. While it was unjust we are there, and by pulling out they lose our protection in Iraq and will by killed by insurgents.... Are you saying that's ok with you?

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:42:58 GMT

RD - Nice cherry picking on your part. I have not proven your point by saying I would only vote for Hillary if she won it fairly. If the DNC simply just "gave" her the nomination then that would not be viewed by anyone as fair (except maybe some Hillary supporters who think she just deserves it). It sounds like you want a political system like a lot of the Europeans have where the parties just hand-pick their candidates without any kind of primary election. If that was our system, I'd abide by it. But it's not. Sorry.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:45:37 GMT

Well what if they were to give her the nomination? It could happen. Would you not vote? Would you vote McCain? I mean really, even though you thought it was "unfair" what would you do?? What could you do?

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:48:26 GMT

RD - There are families in dozens of countries (Sudan, N. Korea, Myanmar, etc, etc.) around the world that need our protection. Are we doing anything for them? We've spent 5 years and hundreds of billions of dollars protecting the Iraqis so far. It's time for them to take care of themselves. We've done everything short of creating a permanent occupation of Iraq and it's time that they choose to live together and make their own country work. We (despite what Bush seems to think) can't force them to do it.

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:11 GMT

RD- Your scenario is one I cannot answer at this point because the rest of the race has not concluded. But, I can say, that if in the end, Hillary did not win either the majority of pledged delegates or the popular vote and the DNC gave her the nomination I would find it very difficult to vote for her. I'm not going to say here and not that I absolutely would not do it, but it would be difficult to see a party go against the majority of its consituents. I think the party would be committing self-destruct.

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raddave — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:14:43 GMT

nomoreshrub, if McCain wins the election, we may just have a permanant occupation in Iraq. RDOMINGUEZ, Don't you realize that there is an insurgency in Iraq because we are there? Yes, there are terrorist organizations there such as Al-Queda in Iraq, who might try to keep killing after we leave, but as far as the real insurgents, they would probably stop fighting, since there would not be foreign troops in their country.

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JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:22:13 GMT

People please don't forget that Obama and HRC supporters have more in common with each other than they do with McCain supporters. The fact is McCain has plenty of obstacles to overcome as well. If McCain becomes president it will be because the democrats who voted for him. They will be crying over the fact their candidate wasn't nominated and make decisions based in emotion nor common sense. It's time to join together, not time try and destroy each other. It seems like some democrats are completely missing the big picture. This country is a mess right now and personally don't want more the same BS that we have now. People are getting waaaaay too emotional about this election. Whoever doesn't get the nomination will be just fine in their lives. We need to stop thinking solely about ourselves as individuals and think more globally.

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nomoreshrub — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:39:44 GMT

JDvandy - Your comment is well taken, but one thing we need to keep in mind here is principles. I take my stand on principles alone. Whether or not FL and MI SHOULD have been stripped of all their delegates, Hillary AGREED to it with no argument. I am not a rabid Obama supporter saying I would never vote for Hillary. But, there are principles at stake here and the Democratic party has to stick to them. You can't change the rules of the game in the middle of the game. That is not fair to the players in the game. If you want to change the rules, you have to wait until the current game is over and then change them before you begin the next game. This is the United States where we are supposed to be a democracy and abide by rules that get set by our governing bodies. I can understand why MI and FL voters are angry, but Hillary has no reason to complain. She is just as complicit in this as anyone else.

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jy2008 — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:45:22 GMT

Good luck, America.

When you vote someone, at least you should have enough trust.

Anti-Iraq-war is the only credit for Obama. But not so sure now whom he stands for after all Uncle Wright-like connections. It will take time to prove rather than just divorcing one after another.

What else are SO FAR LEFT?

"The Emperor''s New Clothes"

One see the clothes.

One see the color.

One see the body.

Are you thoughtful or simply over exicted about the new clothes?

No blame if you admire the body.

No blame if you like the color.

But those who design the new clothes?

No much more than a bunch of political guys.

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SPORTLOCK09 — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:04:27 GMT

JdVandy says.....They will be crying over the fact their candidate wasn't nominated and make decisions based in emotion nor common sense. Then exactly why are you voting for Obama again? Pure emotion, couldnt be any other reason. You prefer a president that will have in less then a year ever terrorist state in the world telling us they will seek Nuclear proliferation or else if we dont bend to their demands like Obama wants to do with Iran. So if ifs not your emotins telling you to vote for Obama, what is the reason?

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JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:04:27 GMT

Nomoreshrub - I completely agree with you. HRC has continued to want to change the rules in the middle of the game if she thinks it will meet her objectives. The fact is the people of MI and FL got the short end of the stick thanks to their leaders. I don't think their votes should be counted. Everyone including HRC agreed to the rules before this started and like always she wants to play a different hand than the one she has been dealt. Just like she has played the race card and now it's the sexism card. With that said, If she was nominated (extremely unlikely), I would vote for her for the sake of getting a Democrat in office.

jy2008 - Give us all a break. Isn't the war in Iraq enough? That war has contributed to the downfall of this country. Are you too blind to see that? This country is the largest corporation in the world - do you want someone who knows nothing about the economy or another who can't keep her own campaign financially on track. The fact is Obama has run the better campaign, both financially and otherwise. He has run it like a business and it's been very successful - He's got my vote!

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olderwiser — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:07:10 GMT

It's all our fault, boys. When we were kids, we gave the girls the right to change the rules so that the contest could be kept even enough so that they wouldn't quit. So, now we just can't make them start playing by the rules all of a sudden.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:18:54 GMT

Hey guys, Sorry I've been a way, Got work to do you know, I wish we could all be face to face and hash it out it would be so much easier. I think the fundamental difference between us is that I am not a staunch Democrat. I do see benefits to being in Iraq, sure we should not have gone there, sure, we've spent billions of dollars, but if we pull it the money spent and the lives of those lost was for nothing. That is the plus I see. Granted Hillary and Obama are similar with platforms, but it will do us no good for a goof like Obama to be in office and be in over his head and accomplish nothing. I've said this time and again, I will do what's good for the NATION not just for the PARTY. Obama asks his followers to "believe" in him and you do, I DO NOT believe in Obama, I will not by the time election rolls around, my mind is shut that case is closed. Nobody will convince me otherwise. So, again, I have to choose between CAPABLE candidates for the good of the nation and NOT just the party, so those choices are Hillary or McCain. If you knock Hillary out of the picture, then we have McCain. I'm not doing it for spite, I'm doing it for the overall good. I don't believe he can deliver, nor do I want him to have the chance to see. Anyhow, that's where I stand. Like I said I'm not a staunch Democrat, some of you will do what the party says no matter what, I will not. I don't believe in too many social programs, I don't believe in Universal Healthcare and I don't necessarily think we should pull out of Iraq. So by telling me I should feel guilty for voting for McCain, I don't. he's more left-wing than most Republicans. He knows what's best for him and as the election moved on, you'll see him distance himself more and more from Bush and his policies, he knows he has to, to win. And if Hillary is not opponent, he will win.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:22:51 GMT

SPORTLOCK09 - I am not voting out of emotion. I am voting for the candidate that I believe is what's best for the country overall. If it looked like HRC was going to be the nominee, I would vote her. I am thinking about the economy, ending the war in IRAQ, staying out of future unneccessary wars, keeping jobs in the US, Health care, mending relationships in the world. It's not at all about emotion. Quite frankly anything is better than McCain.

As far as talking to Iran, there are members of the Bush Administration have suggested talking to Iran including Coni Rice. There are members of Republican party who think we should consider that as a possibility and that aren't happy with McCain's comments. What's wrong with trying to see if there can be compromise? We are not in this world alone and we can't keep getting into wars with countriesy we don't like or agree with. You act as if that is the worse thing that could happen. There have been many presidents who have had to be presidential and compromise in order to ensure peace. We don't need another war-mongering hot head in office. We need someone who be a leader of all people.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:47:28 GMT

What I find ironic, is me I'm a little of this and a little of that. Obama keeps saying he can bring people together, well if he can why is almost half the nation not coming together to vote for him? Why isn't it working for me? I'm only one, and you can look at these articles and see there are others who aren't buying what he's selling. But, he's supposed to be some great master of bringing people together. So far, it's not happening. Sure he's made the sell to the easy ones, but it's the more difficult people like me who he's got to get through to, and it hasn't happened so far. And if he can't do it now, he won't be able to do it in the White House.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:11:12 GMT

The bottom line is you have the right to vote whoever you want. We don't have to agree with each other about anything. After all, we do live in America. It would be great if people could come together when it really matters, but that isn't going to happen because there are people like you who will stand their ground no matter what. Someone could tell you that water is wet and you wouldn't accept that as truth and that's ok. However, if we as Americans don't start working together what is our greatest strength will lead to our downfall (our greatest weakness). You are so sure that he can't do it - how can you be so sure the other two can? Honestly, no one knows. I don't envy whoever gets in office, because our economy is in the tank. Do you really think that all of the candidates don't have their own agendas? Really? Do you think really think HRC has anymore practical experience? She lied about much of her experience. McCain could drop dead at any point because of his age and than we may get stuck with someone we didn't vote for. People have to vote for the person they feel will do what's best for EVERYONE in the country, not just the weathly or keeping the war alive. You said that everything is going great for you, but it's not for many. John McCain isn't going to care about the many, he wil care about the few. The problem with many people in this country is as long as things are going well for them, they really care about the rest. If that is in line with your views, than you should vote for McCain.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:26:37 GMT

Well JD, I agree with a lot you have said, but we can't think about everyone can we? I said I worried about families in Iraq we are protecting and someone said, "we can't save everyone in the world" the same holds true in the United States. Someone like Barack, who seems to know it all and have an answer for everything seems unrealistic to me. His speeches are all fluff to me, and he just throws a bunch of things together people want to hear. His candidacy is like a movement, and it's a movement I'm not buying into. You're right, maybe I would like more of "the same." I honestly "BELIEVE" in Hillary and would hope she got the chance but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. It's really about who we believe in. I'll try and find the silver-lining to having McCain in office, because his only worthy oponent, I believe, is Hillary. Obama takes me out of my comfort zone. All in all, you said one thing that holds true for me, and that was "people like you who will stand their ground no matter what." The thing is, if Obama can't convince people like me to vote for him, then he won't win. Plain and simple. It would literally take a miracle for me to check his name come election time, it really would. It has nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with who I feel could lead the nation. I may not agree with everything McCain says, but at least he's a capable individual who lives in the real world and faces the facts, and the way things really are. Everything else, the economy, the war, everything takes a second seat.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neos — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:29:29 GMT

We understand that when it comes to counting votes, the Clinton campaign favors whatever they think will benefit them with little regard to the facts. Back before primary season began major Democratic figures to include Howard Ickes and the junior senator from New York (her initials are HRC), all agreed that the vote in the Michigan and Florida primaries would not count. This was to done to maintain order in the party - this was way back when Senator Clinton put the party above personal ambition. Now, however she wants to break the rules to suit her needs and encourages her supporters (unfairly) to put the blame on the DNC. Many of her supporters now refuse to support Hillary's own party with their finances or their votes. This is the real tragedy – the damage she is causing the very party that brought her huband to the White House and her to the Senate.

p.s. If counting all the votes are so important, why won't she count the Michiganders who went to the polls to vote against her. Uncommitted was the only option - why is Hillary unconcerned that those hundreds of thousands of votes will go uncounted? Michiganders blame the state DNC and not the national DNC for their primary mess and given the difficult economic situation in Michigan do not support a Hillary write-in which might very well result in four more years of McBush.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

JDvandy — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:38:53 GMT

Well RDOMINGUEZ, I do believe in miracle. Maybe you'll be standing there with your ballot sheet and something will come over you and you will check Obama's name because the economy, war and everything else does matter to you more than you think, but I forgive you if don't. (little humor) It's been fun and take care. Have a good night from MInnesota.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:43:42 GMT

neos- I understand what you are saying. However, I think Hillary, like myself, think the only person to beat McCain is Hillary. So, the best thing for the party is for her to be the nominee. Whatever it takes for that to happen, however the votes need to be counted, that is the best thing for the party because Obama can't win. She's not trying to hurt the party, she's trying to ensure that Democrats beat McCain, the only way for that to happen is if she is the nominee.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neos — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:51:13 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ , I hear what your saying, but I think many of us are forgetting how we felt way back in December. Hillary seemed to be the probable nominee and many were very concerned about her candidacy. Fairly or not, Hillary is a very polarizing figure - many independents and many, many republicans hate her. Hate with a capital H. The fear was that Hillary would energize the republican party and many were hopeful that a new candidate would emerge. Well one did, and the irony is that he is the one candidate who might be as unelectable as her. First he will have those who, like yourself, have simple and honest differences with Barack on the issues or the question of character. But as my conservative neighbors keep telling me, " America is too racist to elect a black man to the presidency." So that is the other hurdle he will have to jump.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

RDOMINGUEZ — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:59:46 GMT

America is too racist to elect Obama. My dislike has nothing to do with his race though.

With any candidate there will be some amount of "polarity." I believe this is in part because Hillary is a strong woman. Strong women are seen like that by some people. However, Hillary has won the "popular" vote so many don't feel she is. She's won the critical battle ground states and has proven she can win in the general election.

I was never concerned about her candidacy, I was always excited. I never hoped a new candidate would emerge, and I'm very sad that Obama did. I never thought it would go this far and I'm sorry that he has gotten in Hillary's way.

You and I have completely different opinions on the matter.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neos — Wed, 21 May 2008 22:24:54 GMT

Not so completely different. I was originally prepared to support Hillary as I agree with her on the issues and she seemed to be the most probable candidate. As I got to know the other candidates I felt that an Clinton/Obama ticket would be great. As the race went on I came to lean to an Obama/Clinton ticket. I'll tell you why. Essentially they have the same take on the issues and the same plans to implement these issues but I think that Obama is the more inspirational of the two. (Hey, don't get mad, it's just my feeling,) And inspired leadership is important. Why? Way back in 1976 Jimmy Carter in his acceptance speech said that the lack of universal health care in the U.S. was a national disgrace. Since that time until the present not much has been effected to erase this disgrace. It is certainly not for a lack of plans or solutions. Hillary had "solutions" for a health care plan during her husband's presidency but they got nowhere. Partly because she was a bit headstrong and wouldn't budge on the particulars and partly because she couldn't inspire others to follow. Leadership is the ability to inspire others to accomplish the goal. I feel Obama is perhaps a better cheerleader.

p.s. count the uncounted in Michigan and take the caucuses into account and, no, Hilliary does not lead in the popular vote..

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

gandolina — Wed, 21 May 2008 23:23:05 GMT

Obama should decide whether he wants to be the first black candidate to lose or the first black Vice-President.

Hillary isn't his impediment. She's his his way up to the next step.

A Clinton-Obama ticket probably won't lose.An Obama-Anybody ticket probably won't win.

At which point will the Obamabots start considering that Obama isn't ultimately running against Clinton, but against John McCain?

Being the candidate doesn't mean a whole lot if you aren't the winner.

And so who is it that is supposed to end up voting for Obama?

Do you seriously think that people who voted TWICE for Bush and rejected both Dean and Kerry as too peculiar to suit a predictably American mind-set are going to vote ONCE for Obama?

And why should they?

He has nothing tangible to offer them other than ambition followed up by bad judgement.

If he can't even control the extraordinary way his supporters have managed to permanently turn off a great number of Democrats who preferred Hillary and will vote McCain or write-in, how can he be expected to co-operate with a Congress that doesn't include affirmative action and on the job training as part of their responsibility.

It's not what you or I want that will win. It's what the middle will carry.

.I'm writing in Hillary. I would in this election even if she were a plaid hermaphrodite.

She is simply and logically the best of the three choices.

gala1

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

neos — Wed, 21 May 2008 23:31:32 GMT

Are you saying that Obama should not run because it may be a futile gesture? And you are planning to write in a a non-Candidate's name because.....???

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

orion12 — Thu, 22 May 2008 00:35:17 GMT

Hey Neos, I do not thin you should feel apologetic about your views. An Obama/Clinton ticket will win. He has shown better leadership abilities. Clean and simple. But that would be something!! Would Clinton be a faithful number two? I doubt it. She wants to lead too badly. And to be honest, I do not trust her, after all the curves she has been throwning.

Gandolina seems to be contracdicting him/her self. I do not think you understand the dynamics of the human mind. My friend, Obama is beating Clinton and really clearly. He is showing that he is a leader. What I like about him is he is cool, and quick. His ideas stare you in the face and you say "YES". He has what it takes compared to Clinton. I do not see how logic of any dimension would give the winning edge to Clinton compared to Obama. Some people just do not want to accept what they are seeing. America CAN vote for a black president, if he can deliver. Most people are not not racist but just want a better life. They will vote for the person who commands respect and offers leadership.

Have a good evening.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Flash Drive — Thu, 22 May 2008 04:18:12 GMT

The damage is already done, there is no way the Democrats will unite as a team to face the GOP in November. And that is too bad because this country cannot survive another 4 years of continued Bush policy.

We are our biggest enemy ,not any foreign power. Congress will continue to be partian, instead of working together to solve our energy problems and reduce our deficit ,there will be total inaction on Capitol Hill. It is no wonder that Congess is even more unpopular that the President.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

PacificGatePost — Thu, 22 May 2008 04:42:03 GMT

CLINTON AND CAPITULATION

It is NOT OVER until someone crosses the threshold in required delegates. Until then, the process should be allowed to proceed.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/05/clinton-and-capitulation.html

It would be undemocratic to do otherwise.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

citron16 — Thu, 22 May 2008 04:43:12 GMT

Maybe just maybe the democratic party is so divided because They decided to back Obama, the media decided to back Obama. It became more important to try to get the first african american elected than getting the first woman elected!! May just Maybe the democrats should have taken into consideration that there are alot of woman in the United States that would really like to see a woman elected president. A woman that so far has recieved over 17 millinion votes. A woman who if elected is capable of doing a great job. Clinton if elected would have to prove a woman can run this country as well or better than any man. This country would get backto being the great country it used to be!!! I would just like to know why the media and the democrats decided it was more important to get the first african american elected instead of the first woman ?

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

5leavesleft — Thu, 22 May 2008 05:37:48 GMT

The democratic party is already divided but it has been going that way for years as it steers less towards the moderate, middle of the road and more towards the far left. That's why we've been seeing a rise in independents as Americans is getting more and more frustrated with both parties, but mostly with democrats. I've said in other posts that the democratic party's core base has been alienated in this election. For years, the majority of voters that kept this party together were (and this is how the media identifies them): the working and middle class, the baby boomers, seniors, Jewish Americans and Hispanic Americans. Now as many people are disgusted with the democratic party and jumping ship to be an independent, the democratic party has chosen to ignore these voters in favor of (and this is how the media identifies them): Blacks/African-Americans, the youth, the intellectuals/educated. The democratic party is counting on keeping there core constituency while at the same time recruiting these new voters which will give new life to the flailing democratic party. I think part of the problem in this division is that the democratic party has been ignoring its core assuming that they will always be there while still drawing new members into the party. The democratic party thinks that come November all will be healed but right now the outlook doesn't look good. In other words, the democratic party shot itself in the foot to spite its face. (I think that's how the analogy goes, i could be wrong, you get the idea.)

Hillary 2008

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

5leavesleft — Thu, 22 May 2008 05:46:17 GMT

The democratic party also made two critical errors: 1) disenfranchising Michigan and Florida (from the very beginning that should never have happened, especially to Florida voters after the whole chad thing. Who is the DNC to punish voters, any voters? That was a stupid move to begin with. I guess they were hoping to get away with it and that it wouldn't come back to haunt them.) 2) putting up two historic (as everyone likes to refer to them) candidates in the primaries. Yes, i know the candidates decide for themselves if they want to run but somebody in the DNC should have thought through all the scenarios (though i guess nobody could have predicted how far the primaries would go.) and talked it through. Who knew they were going to back Obama so strongly and try to push Hillary out of the race time and again? If they wanted to end up with a united party this certainly was the wrong way to go about it.

Hillary 2008

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

citron16 — Thu, 22 May 2008 06:03:20 GMT

I remember the 2000 election and what was said was every vote must count!!! Obama should have nothing to say about it! Florida and Michigan votes should all count 100%. . The DNC, The democratic party needs to do whats right and count everyones votes. The Florida and Michigan voters are not to blame. If the votes do not get counted 100% then this entire election is not fair. Every Vote Must Count!!! The only thing the democrats have done by backing Obama is destroy the democratic party!! They are not even trying to hide their one sidedness!! A few weeks ago someone said there is already a 3rd party starting called the centrist party! It's probably a good idea maybe this new party could have fair elections, count ever vote, and not be so one sided!!! I do think Clinton should take this to the convention in August and make sure every vote gets counted and I also think the media should finally stop being one sided!

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

Emanuel — Thu, 22 May 2008 14:05:53 GMT

Clinton is not more electable. Her loyal constituency obviously does not outnumber, or out contribute that of Barack Obama's.

Her tinkering with the election rules is starting to become annoying. Someone needs to shut her microphone off.

Democrats unite, and take over the White House.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

ToadTreeHugger — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:20:47 GMT

Bill Clinton won Kentucky twice. But you're probably not old enough to remember.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

ToadTreeHugger — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:21:42 GMT

Obama actively fought for the 2005 Class Action Reform Bill that was part of a large lobbying effort by financial firms, which make up Obama's second-biggest single bloc of donors. The bill was a big victory for Bush. Every Republican voted for it, whereas most Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, voted against it. Congressman Ed Markey (D-Mass.) called the bill "the final payback to the tobacco industry, to the asbestos industry, to the oil industry, to the chemical industry at the expense of ordinary families who need to be able go to court to protect their loved ones when their health has been compromised."

Markey forgot to mention the nuclear power industry.

Currently, there's a large class-action suit against Exelon for releasing millions of gallons of radioactive-contaminated water into the environment. Exelon tried to keep the public in the dark about its radioactive spills. It didn't publicly acknowledge at least eight spills of radioactive tritium until recently--even though the first one happened in 1996. Obama authored a bill to not only waterdown regulations of radioactive spills but to prevent state and local authorities from regulating nuclear power plants.

What are Obama's connections with Exelon?

Axelrod is an Exelon man. Two Exelon executives sit on Obama's finance committee. They are his top fundraisers. When asked about his connections to Exelon, Obama says quote "that's why I'm in favor of public financing." Yet he waffled on his pledge to use public financing.

According to the LA Times, “Obama is the largest beneficiary of money from companies that have a stake in nuclear energy’s future.”

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

the_shelton — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:08:16 GMT

We have this little bitty nation down off the coast of Florida that one day a long time ago got very mad at us because we tried to send some people down there to overthrow their government. How outrageous of them, to think that they should stand there and tell us that we have no right to go in and assasinate their leaders and supplant them with some of our own studges like Noreiga or Sadam. How can anyone not want to work really hard to overthrow a dictator that took everything they had for himself and once they have done that, give it all up to another equally stupid bunch of people who wanted to tell them how to live.

I just don't understand why they would think that way. All we really have is their best interest at heart. Look at how we have helped them for the past 50 years to make more of themselves. Look at all the things we have done to help their people. Didn't we shoot at the boats of refugees coming from their country to Florida and try to drive them back. Didn't we stop those pesky people from sending any kind of help back home to the familys that were starving. Didn't we put an embargo against trade against them to help them become more self sufficient in the modern world.

And our leaders have been so helpful. They have dutifully not talked with any of their diplomats or leaders to see if maybe there could be some accord arrived at which would lead to better conditions for the people there and allow some of the people to go back home.

Why would anyone fault the good old USA for that. We do have a major threat from this heavily armed, highly trained military force sitting off our coast.

We can't be too careful, you never know what those nasty Cubans are cooking up.

re: Oregon and Kentucky: One Day Closer to the End

mkgubbon — Sat, 24 May 2008 15:15:51 GMT

Think about this, the Irish, the Polish, the Italians, the Africans, the Germans, the Russians, the Bosnians, the Greeks, the Swedes, the Dutch, the mexicans, the cubans and all other ethic groups in this United States, that have immigrated to this country to make this country great, one nation, should get on the Band Wagon and start screaming the ethic card is being played. Then the media can really have a hay day! People, people, we are one, ONE AMERICA. Stop this nonsense, every one matters, everyone should vote and yes we are one nation, one country. This is coming from a black/irish/polish/dutch man and I am proud to be an ethic mix, and I am proud to be an American. Like, Martin Luther King said, "Unification is the key!"

Lets' hear what the Irsh say and lets' hear what the Bosnians say, lets hear what they all have to say! They are people too, that helped to build this great nation! Why not? 'DIVIDED WE FAIL, UNITED WE STAND!" Are you going to challege me now for speaking the truth, maybe if you put all your emotions on to me we can get started in electing the BEST canidate for this country. Go ahead, BRING IT ON-let me hear how much you hate me for telling the truth!