The Electability Mirage

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:41:04 GMT

Hillary is the best nominee. And I personally will vote for McCain if she is not nominated, it's not blackmail, Hillary and McCain are the only two capable candidates. The article fails to analyze why voters like me will make the switch, it's not because we are trying to get back at them for not nominating Hillary, it's because we are uncomfortable with handing The Presidency with someone with less experience. And I know you say, well "How does being the president's wife give her experience" She does have experience in politics, and she does have Bill by her side, and like it or not, he'll offer her some assistance behind the scenes I'm sure. I loved Bill as president and I would sleep well at night with the BOTH of them back in the White House. Also, this has something to do with age as well, Hillary and McCain have more "life" experience. This is invaluable. Anyone knows that you live and you learn. You learn from mistakes and you better yourself. All you Obama people like to say Hillary has made mistakes in the past, she has, but she's learned from them I'm sure. Obama simply has not been around enough to experience that. So, despite party objectives, I'll vote for what's best for the nation overall, that's Hillary or McCain. Obama is not, and will not be in the picture. I'd vote for him if he was VP on Hillary's ticket, but that's the ONLY way. And honestly, I don't like that much, I'd hope at this point Hillary would not put him on her ticket, but who knows. He needs to go back to where he came from, get some more experience, make some real accomplishments, THEN come back and give it another try. Then, I'll give him a second look. Not this time around though. No how, no way.

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RHO2784610 — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:43:48 GMT

Obama has some huge problems. I can't believe any Jew would vote for him. His fairy tale economic program is laughable. His naivete on foreign policy is disturbing.

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wgreenfieldiii — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:44:13 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ,

Your argument is what baffles so many democrats, including Clinton supporters, OF WHICH I AM ONE...

First, Obama is winning the primary race. This isn't about the "best and not-so best" person, it is a delegate race. If Obama was in Hillary's shoes would you be saying the same thing? Would you be upset if supporters of Obama argued that he is "the best nominee" even though she was winning?

Second, you, and a ton of Hillary supporters, contradict your own arguments. In your post you questioned Hillary's own experience, but then continue to say that she's been around longer and thus is 'experienced'. Political longetivy isn't the only reason you elect a president and the reason certainly isn't the spouse. I like Hillary for Hillary, not because of Bill.

So Bill is going to be with her all the time, huh? Just carry Bill around everywhere she goes so he can do her work? No!!! Look, frankly I disagree with your assertion that Hillary needs Bill. She can do it herself and she should and can stand on her own experience or lack of it. The bottom line is that she lost.

If you want to continue the work in Iraq, have Roe v. Wade overturned, continue to not have healthcare coverage... so on and so forth, then please vote for McCain. I for one want will vote for Sen. Obama should he become the nominee even if I'd rather have Hillary!

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SMS67 — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:49:25 GMT

I’m 35, and have been following politics for quite a while, and I’ve never been so disappointed with a politician I’ve admired and respected. Yesterday’s tactics weren’t just wrong, they were offensive. For that matter, they seem to be part of a deliberate strategy to tear Democrats apart and ensure a defeat in November.

For several weeks, I’ve appreciated the fact that Clinton considers herself the superior candidate, and has kept her campaign going in the hopes, from her perspective, of saving the party from itself. But after yesterday, it’s become impossible for me to consider Clinton’s intentions honorable. Her conduct is not that of a leader.

Instead of trying to help bring the party together — Election Day is 24 weeks away — Clinton went to Florida to argue that if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, his nomination will be illegitimate. And if the DNC plays by the rules Clinton used to support, it’s guilty of vote-suppression — comparable to slavery, Jim Crow, and Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe.

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donbl — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:54:21 GMT

Obama may become the new McGovern/Dukakis.

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50toni — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:55:28 GMT

Is is extremely difficult for me to believe that anyone would support McCain if Obama is the nominee. Clinton and Obama have almost identical positions on all of the major issues while McCain holds the opposite position. I am a 58 year old white woman from Ky. I was in the minority in Ky because I am an Obama supporter. Obama in my opinion has been a true gentleman while dealing with an entirely unreasonable woman. There is such a thing as sisterhood but at what cost. Clinton is trying to get women to think with their emotions instead of their brain. Women of all people should understand that Fla and Mich broke the rules and knew the vote would not count. Intellent people from both Fla and Mich understood this and many chose not to vote. For this reason the percentages are not valid and must be thrown out. As mothers we have told our children that if they did something to break the rules that they would be punished often explaining the punishment before hand. If we expected our own children to follow the rules then why are we now pushing for the rules to be overthrown. Absurd. Both Clinton and Obama as well as other candidates signed the agreement with the DNC to this effect. Clinton only cares because she wants any vote she can get. I now see her as a pathetic shell of her former self. This ladies is not a feminist.

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tired of the BS — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:07:12 GMT

What you cross-overs seem to disregard is, Obama may not have the experience that you all feel is needed to be president, however the man is apparently brilliant when it comes to surrounding himself with the best...just look at the way his campaign was ran and I'd rather have his inexperience and sound judgement than so-called experience and poor judgement. He's going to be a great leader and you all will be glad that we fought to put him in office....it's time for change America, it's time to be the America that used to be...and for the "fairy tale" economic program comment....for crying outloud we're in a RECESSION....

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rileyone — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:07:47 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ & RHO2784610,

I am really having a difficult time understanding both of your comments. You are arguing about experience, senator Obama has more experience than Hillary, you keep forgetting that Senator Obama has state legislature experience from Illinois State Senate and House representative. Where had to run and get elected. Hillary has only run for one office, I don't care how you try to slice, you don't get legislative experience by being married to the elected official. The comment about Jews is really in poor taste. I am all for the state of iIsrael right to exist, but just like Cuba nothing has changed in decades with the same policy which has existed forever. Barack is committed to its allies and I am sure he will defend Israel right to exist. But he wants to change the staus quo and try something different.

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emtyn1 — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:17:33 GMT

I can't believe any Democrat would vote for Clinton. One by one, the people who know her best--poiticians (Kennedy, Richardson, Edwards)--have chosen to back Obama. Sometimes these decisions have been arrived at after long contemplation, and yet they come out on Obama's side. Doesn't that say something? Why is that? Other people, both male and female, just don't seem to like her. If Americans don't like her, how is she going to go over with foreigners with whom many bridges need to be rebuilt now? Clinton is smart, however, policy wonks are a dime a dozen in Washington. We need a leader, a , and delegate during the ocurse of his campaign. It is absolutely imperative for Washington and for foreign policy that we elect Barack Obama. If we elect McCain, start getting your sons (and daughters) ready to be drafted. McCain = Bush 3

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:24:34 GMT

Well Obamas- (That's what I call Obama supporters)

It really doesn't matter your argument, like Obama you'll say whatever and do whatever to get me to change my mind, and it's not happening. I'm sickened by the Obama movement and if I hear you guys say "Change" one more time I'm going to be sick. I can't stand to hear Obama and I can't stand to hear his speeches and I can't stand your lame arguments. There's no way I'd vote for him because at this point I'm disgusted. You've spread your hate for Hillary all over when she's a respectable woman. I know Obama and everyone is now trying to change their tune and commend her here at the end to get my vote and it's not happening. I know may people who just can't stand Obama and this whole movement for change. If for nothing else, I will fight against it just so I don't have to hear about it anymore. I'm not a staunch Democrat, I happen to actually LIKE McCain and you Obama people will NOT make me feel guilty for voting for him. He's got a good platform, I believe he will distance himself from Bush as time goes on. If Hillary doesn't win, fine, but I just can't WAIT for this to be over for Obama to be defeated and for this all to go away. I turn on the tv and there he is going ON and ON and ON again about change. Of course, nothing specific, it never is, and all these people blindly following him and believing every words he throws out there. Really, I just can't stand it. There's nothing you can do or you can say or Obama or the DNC can change my mind because I'm just sick of it. THAT'S why he won't get elected, because people who don't support him and don't believe him, just can't stand him. Sorry, but it's the truth.

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oharris30 — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:28:39 GMT

I am a Black woman and I truly used to think highly of the Clintons, But as you may guess now, I don"t. She seems to have bought out all the KKK's in America, I feel it is an incorrect statement to say that senator Obama can not get the white collar voters who seem to be white. He has their support in many of the other white states. These people in WV, KY and the states which senator CLinton has overwhelmingly won seem to me to be KKK styled people. A many of them even confessed they would not vote for a Black. Senator Obama's volunteers were attacked and threatened with bomb scares. Now you have a picture of Senator Obama in the crosshairs of a gun, people threatening his life, I will be willing to bet you that none of Senator Obama's supporters have threatened Senator Hilary's life or have any of her volunteers been threatened. Not once has she made a public announcement denouncing these animals. Is this what she stands for? If I were a candidate running along with another person within my party I would assuredly denounce these types of action. She is fully aware that the longer she runs the more Senator Obama's life is endangered. It's as if she does not care. Is that what winning the presidency means to her? As Michele says, For the first time in my adult life, I am truly proud of my Black folk and all the other decent people who have supported Senator Obama, I understand immensely what Michele meant. Those who criticize her for making that comment will never know what she meant if their eyes are closed to the horrors of racism. Those who would threaten the life of one of our candidates are animals and don't deserve to participate in this election. Congratulations Black people who have not shown the real meaning of Americans and patriots!

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MaraMaravilha — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:30:42 GMT

Andrew,

A lot of HIllary supporters will not vote for Obama because of race or because they think Obama is sexist or snob and elitist. It's not a choice of who they think have better policies. It's much more profound than that. Therefore I think your conclusion is flawed.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:31:41 GMT

You know Oharris30, the Clinton's have ALWAYS stood up for blacks and don't you DARE try to tie the KKK with them. That's DISGUSTING and it's like trying to say Obama has ties to Osama. Blacks forgot how much the Clintons supported them in the past and have turned their backs on them the first chance they got. If anyone should be upset it should be the Clintons and NOT the blacks.

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Kafka — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:37:00 GMT

There is still plenty of time until the general election. If Obama is the Democratic nominee I think some Clinton supporters will change their tune and vote for Obama when it comes down to him or the lobbyist friendly McCain with 4 more years of Bush policies.

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ResearchGuy — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:40:40 GMT

A few facts for people who naively believe Bill Clinton had more "experience" during the 1992 election than Barack Obama has right now:

Age at inauguration:

Bill Clinton: 47

Barack Obama (as of Jan 2009): 47

Years political experience at inaugruation (meaning years having held elected office):

Bill Clinton: 14

Barack Obama: 12

(and, for the record, George W Bush: 5)

Years Federal Elected Experience at Inauguration:

Bill Clinton: 0

Barack Obama: 4

The only two presidents younger (and less experienced) than Bill Clinton in U.S. history: Theodore Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy.

What Clinton brought to office in 1993 was not experience, but youth, charisma, and the vitality of the american spirit - this reflected in the unparalleled economic growth and security of the 1990's, and the unity goverment that was able to get america moving in this direction. It is not political experience, policy expertise, or voting records that we need in a president (for these we have Congress), but the will and character to direct our elected officials in Washington under a single common goal: the good of the American people.

Finally, any Clinton supporter who actually votes McCain in November is missing the point. Casting this vote out of bitterness and anger will only get our country into more trouble than it is already in. Please, Clinton supporters, follow the direction of your own candidate: vote Democrat whether or not she is nominated. To do anything else would absolutely contrary to what Sentor Clinton stands for, as well as a severe disservice to yourselves and your fellow Americans.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:41:05 GMT

MaraMaravilha,

You're right. It's not about better policies, I think Obama is a sexist, a snob and elitist. It is much more profound and you hit the nail right on the head. I can NEVER make myself vote for him. Never.

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wheels4600 — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:44:44 GMT

As soon as all the shillary supporters come to terms with the fact their candidate is headed for the bankruptcy scrap heap their thinking will turn around. Clinton can try again in 2017 because Obama will win now and in 2012/2013 she might be electable by then. Just because her husband is an EX president does not make her the latest greatest thing out there and yet she is a "THING" like the one on the Munsters years ago.

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oharris30 — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:47:43 GMT

Dear RDOMINGUEZ, BLACKS have supported themselves and STILL support themselves. We Blacks are not stupid! Politics is one hand washes the other, The Clintons have come into Harlem and mingled with our so called Black leaders and seemingly acted like they have done something for Blacks. We Happen to see through it all. And we see it even MORE now during this campaign, If you believe that the Clinton's have done so much for Blacks, then it depends which Blacks you ask. If you ask Charlie Rangel who is a sell out in our neighborhood then yes, but if you ask the Black youth and others in our neighborhoods who are still struggling you will get another answer. Please, spare me the line of what the CLintons have done for Blacks. It's all about the haves and the havenots. If they have done so MUCH for Blacks, then why do our Black young men still get shot by the police? Why are there no jobs for many of them???? You have NO idea what you are talking about. What's on paper is a lot different from real life. Obama is a DECENT man. I would never have taken the harrasement her has received from Hilary and still be a gentleman! AND how can you explain DEATH threats to him and none from Hilary. She can make a public appearance just like Obama and denounce these people. Why hasn't?????.

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Aaron4one — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:48:08 GMT

What is really interesting is all the talk about change. We don't need change in Washington. We need chaos. We need someone who will shake the foundation at its core, not tinker with an institution that is completely broken. Ever notice that no matter how mad Americans get about something, whether it's the war, the economy, poverty or even their leadership (where's the million voter march for impechment on Washington?) they are no longing willing to risk themselves for a cause (the boss is already monitoring your youtube antics. Can't let him see burning a building or getting bashed by police at a peace protest). Sure we volunteer and give to worthy causes, but we don't show that we are terribly upset. I don't believe any of the candidates will give us real change, but in the end I would vote for one of them and it would be Obama because he has the potential to bring us closer to chaos than any of the other candidates. Only then will we see the true colors of Americans and THEN we might actually see some change.

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Kafka — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:50:10 GMT

Rdominguez.

Voting out of spite won't get you anywhere. It is fine thats your opinion, but luckily there are cooler heads who can look to the future and see we need a candidate in the White House who will help repair our burned bridges, who has the guts to stand up to a War that isn't legit, and the faith in the brains of the American public who realize that things such as a gas tax holiday don't mean anthing to us. Feel free to vote McCain, just take a long hard look at what each candidate brings to the table.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:50:53 GMT

I think a lot of Hillary supporters are pro-Hillary and anti-Obama. If you ask me, which I am more of, I am ANTI- OBAMA MORE. So you guys think we'll all come and vote for him when it comes time, but not all of us will. I personally will join the McCain camp and do all I can to convert more Hillary supporters to McCain. He's actually not a bad guy, he's more liberal than most. It's no matter, with or without my vote Obama cannot win the election. I'm not the least bit worried he will. It's not going to happen.

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gofcort — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:51:12 GMT

You can call me poor.

You can call me uneducated.

You can call me a racist , if that makes you feel better.

But in this swing state, he's still not getting my vote.

He stole this election..... just like George Bush.

His supporters have been nasty to us.

Now you want our vote come November.

That's the biggest joke I've heard all year.

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gilesjp — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:51:55 GMT

@RDOMINGEUZ

You know nothing if you think the "Clintons" did something for blacks. Black people put Bill Clinton in office no democrat can win without the black vote and the political machine of black America.. Don't marginalize the political power of black America by trying to say a candidate who owes his presidency to black America is doing them a favor by supporting the people who put him in power.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:54:37 GMT

You know what Oharris30, YOU'RE UNGRATEFUL! For all they have done, who care what reason you've benefited. So say what you want about blacks supporting themselves, because the truth is...in this nation, blacks are a very small percentage of the overall vote. In all truth, the blacks have shown by voting for Obama that they are more prejudice towards white people then whites are to blacks. What a shame!!!

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garysgary — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:55:34 GMT

RHO2784610....I'm curious. Why wouldn't an American Jew vote for Obama?

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:55:37 GMT

Bravo gofcort!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:00:06 GMT

For the record, I'm not voting out of spite, so quit saying that. I don't "BELIEVE" in Obama and I think he's a smooth-talking politician, probably the worst of all. He's got no substance, just dreams. Well I'm not putting a dreamer into the White House during times like these. We're at WAR, we need strong leaders with experience. It's not out of spite, it's for what I believe is right. Keep voting for Obama, it's wasted though, because me and people like me will never let him win. Never.

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ResearchGuy — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:01:34 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ,

I am sorry you are unable to define yourself by what you are rather than what you aren't. anyone who goes around being anti-anything for too long loses all perspective and ends up being ruled by the thing they hate. Your hate has blinded you to your own interests. McCain is not a moderate. he is the "most libral" of the ultraconservative neocons, sure, but his energy policy, healthcare policy, Iraq policy are all hollow talking points (scrath that - his "Iraq for 100 years" policy is just wrong). The republican party has lied to its voters for decades - George W Bush ran on "consitutional ban for gay marriage," "Iraqi freedom," and "consitutional ban on abortion." None of those things happened. What makes you more inclined to believe McCain?

Anger. That's all. You're blinded by hatred, just like the KKK and Al Queda.

Wake up, man.

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NevadaVet — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:04:14 GMT

there wouldn't be any talk of electability if people like rdominquez and gofcort would stop calling themselves Democrats and just admit they are closet Republicans who would rather have a lousy economy, threats of Nuclear war against Iran and an unending war in Iraq instead of a Obama in office. Then McCain would be ahead of everyone and we could stop talking about it. If McCain gets elected, I hope all you "poor swing State" voters have fun walking because you can't afford to fillup your Pickup.

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oharris30 — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:04:24 GMT

Rdomingeuz, I don't expect personal favors, I work too hard. I want someone in the whitehouse who has been where the majority of the Americans have been Black and white who have to work hard everyday. Someone who has to work hard to get where they are now like Senator Obama and my daughter who is a scientist. I'm not voting for Senator Obama because he is Black. He is not Black. He is a man of color. We look for the same as All people. Respectability and decency. That is your right to vote for McCain. But to be honest, I don't see anyone in his camp Black or White that I can relate to. So we each have to vote for the candidate of our choice. I have no problem with you, but I do have a problem with the kinds of people who threaten the life of Senator Obama and who won't vote for him because he is a man of color instead of not voting for him because of his issues, But I am tired of hearing about what the Clintons did for the Blacks. You see I was one of four Blacks in an all white school and I was beat on and spit on many times so I personally know how ugly racism is. I only ask that if you do not want to vote for Senator Obama, please let it be for a valid reason.

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oharris30 — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:04:25 GMT

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er123 — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:05:33 GMT

When my loyalty to my country begins, my loyalty to my party ends. It is not the political party that matters, but the country is. Whoever is the better candidate that I will vote, whether it is Democrat or Republican.There are bad Republicans and bad Democrats; and there are good Democrats and good Republicans. And McCain is not Bush, but just a good Republican. He risked his life for the country.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Not the one who has only words to offer and no deeds to prove them.

Somebody wrote this and I like it - Give me Hillary, or give me McCain.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:06:58 GMT

I'm angry because Obama has you all fooled. You've taken the bait, hook line and sinker. You guys love to say anyone who doesn't support him is a "hater" or is racist. YOU need to wake up. Quit playing the race card. I'm not driven my hate, I'm going to vote for who I think is capable. You Obamas are in a daze and I believe it's you who needs to wake up.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:14:31 GMT

I agree with eri123, I do what I feel is best for the country not the party. Hate me for it,but I also believe it's Hillary or McCain. There are both completely different platforms, but I'm willing to go down each road wherever it may lead.

And oharris30- ok, but I still think the prejudice blacks have was still shown in this race. Racism goes both ways, not just white people being racist towards blacks. It's become very apparent and if you don't think in November that race will not come into play, then you're not looking around. We've come leaps and bounds regarding racism, BUT, we're not that far yet. Especially when Obama has had ANY affiiliation at all with Rev. Wright or a man of his reputation. The first black man that is president, to be elected will have to be squeaky clean and Obama is not sorry.

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Harv Scribner — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:15:49 GMT

Re: Obama vs. Hillary

If I desire a Fuji apple, go to the market and all they have are Granny Smiths, I am sure as hell going to buy a Granny Smith before I buy a turnip....

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oharris30 — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:17:55 GMT

Rdominguez, you have my blessings. You sound so full of hate. It is sad. Vote for McCain. But when you vote, please remember all the families who have lost their loved ones in Iraq and continue to. Think of their heartbreak. If we can end the war in Iraq, what would we need McCain for? There are people called advisors whom I am sure that Senator Clinton or Obama will have. Oh, and let me also add.... since I am a democrat, if Senator Hilary Clinton becomes the nominatee I will vote for her. You see, my hate does not run deep. In fact I do not hate her, I just hope I don't have to vote for her.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:18:07 GMT

Harv... until you get home and find out that the granny smith is full of worms and you have to throw it away... Now you're hungry and you would have at least gotten something to eat had you bought the turnip.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:22:46 GMT

oharris30- it's not about hate, it's about reality.

And when I vote for McCain, I'll be thinking of the families that are currently protected by our army that will continue to be safe, I'll think of the soliders who have died for the cause and have lost their lives for the cause and who would not want that to be in vein and for the billions of dollars invested in Iraq's government so that they may have a chance at Democracy. I will feel just as good voting for McCain as I will Hillary. Sorry, you won't make me feel bad about that.

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jerzyboy349 — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:24:12 GMT

Mr. Scribner: In this case, if the "evil media" has its way and the Dems once again commit suicide with Obama, I'm going to upset the applecart altogether and go for the turnip (for the first time in 36 years). And I'm not changing my mind between now and November.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:26:28 GMT

It angers me to read "Oh the Democrats are just saying they'll vote McCain, in the end they'll come around"

Not going to happen. I feel too strongly. (See below)

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Harv Scribner — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:26:46 GMT

After 7 years of bad policies, bad decisions, junk economics, and 22 years of borrow and spend Republicans (we spend more on debt service than we do on education, homeland security and healthcare combined!), how can you possibly vote for John McBush?

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Harv Scribner — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:31:04 GMT

Voting for McBush if Hillary doesn't get the nomination reminds me of the old adage: cut off your nose to spite your face....

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:32:01 GMT

It's not about policies Harv, Obama can make all the promises in the world, but if he can't keep them it's for nothing. I don't believe in him and don't plan on ever giving him the chance. I'm not going to argue with you about Obama's policy because I don't believe in him.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:34:34 GMT

Well anyway I said what I needed to say, and I'm out of here. I will say when and if Obama gets the nomination, I'm not watching anymore election coverage, I'm not reading anymore articles, I'll see you at the polls, where I'll cast my vote McCain. That's that. I'm tuning out.

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subvet — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:34:54 GMT

I think the democratic electorate is coming around, perhaps a little too late, to the fact that Obama is not as good or worthy a candidate as Clinton. They got caught up in the image and captured lots of support in caucus systems that skewed his delegate count and along with media overplay and favotrtism receive an early steamroller effect that has become hard to turn around now. I am already tired of his stilted speech and communication pattern and delivery and the swagger that is not unlike another recent leader that everyone wanted to "have a beer with"...Bush. Who will be his Cheney if he gets that far? Just think of the experienced,great leaders we passed up....Biden, Dobbs, Edwards and Clinton to get to a novice that is not ready for prime time and has not really earned his stripes based on a record or poliitical experience beyond that of a community organizer. Boy did he find some good image makers and power brokers. They pulled the wool over our eyes again.

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ilovespunky — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:35:49 GMT

I have a comment I'd like to add to ResearchGuy agruements. As a historian, I'd like to add Abraham Lincoln to the list of inexperienced Presidents that we've had in the past. I hereby challenge all Hillary supporters to say they won't vote for Obama because of his perceived lack of experience to take a very close look at Lincoln's career prior to his Presidential win in 1860. Yet there are millions of Americans today who think he is one of the greatest Presidents we've ever had, and even one of the greatest Americans to have ever lived. So much for the experience factor. He lead us at a time of great division and the brink of destruction. He would have undoubtly done so much more if he hadn't been shot.

And then there's the arguement about voting for McCain because he's a war hero. I'm not saying that he's not a war hero or that he shouldn't been commended for putting his life on the line for the rest of us. However, being a war hero alone does not make a man qualified to be President of the US. U.S. Grant is an excellent example of this. He, too, was a war hero, serving under Lincoln. Yet, only historians really remember his Presidency today. Most only remember him from what he did during the civil war. His presidency is most remembered for its scandals than anything that he actually accomplished. Military experience does not automatically translate over to being an effective President.

Let's all take a deep breath, take a step back and think long and hard about how much experience (and what kind) is really needed to effectively lead this country when we are at a crossroads. I for one am willing to give Obama a chance to prove himself. And I apolozige for the lengh of this post.

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Don Loughlin — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:37:46 GMT

It is hard to believe that the 'electability' issue really centers around ONLY Dem'c voters. It doesn't.

Independent voters will hold the margin for victory and most of them will not voter for Hillary.

Don Loughlin, Bellingham, WA

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raddave — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:39:00 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ, I do not think you are an Obama hater or are racist. I do think you have a fear of change and a fear of the unkown. You would rather stick with something that is comfortable for you, even if it means 4 more years of the same failed strategy. This country does in fact need change and a new direction and McCain has pretty much fell in line with the hard line Republicans, maybe he has done this to get elected and will move closer to the center if elected, but are you willing to take the risk that he does this? I for one am not. As far as McCain's position on Iraq, I have selfish reasons not to support his position on it. I am in the Army and I have served a tour in Iraq. I was there during OIF I and I experienced the "liberation" I did not agree that we should have invaded Iraq, but I did my duty. While I was there most Iraqis that I talked with where thankful that Saddam was gone, but they said that we should not stay too long or they will not see us as liberators but as occupiers, which happend about half way through my tour and the security situation went to hell in a hurry. I for one do not ever want to return to Iraq and if voting for Obama or Clinton keeps me from going again and starts bringing back my commrades then I will vote for either one of them

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oharris30 — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:45:44 GMT

Rdominguez. COME ON! THis is a Bush war. Protecting us from whom???? What we need to do is stop letting EVERYBODY in our country without checking them out thouroughly. Then we don't have to worry about 9/11 anymore. We let everybody in here and don't know a thing about them. We are the most lax country in the world. Those poor kids are dying everday is painful. You tell that to their families. McCain the. warmonger pulease. I respect him fighting for this country because no greater deed can be done for your country, But please! let us see his medical records. If you are a POW for years, what is your mental state? This is an old man with old ideals. We don't need another president who wants to blow everybody up. I don't know about you but I have children and It would be great for there to be a world for them to enjoy. If McCain becomes president don't you think that other countries are readying up for him?

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just jerry — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:46:35 GMT

Obama's comments in San Francisco essentially calling a significant portion of the electorate weak-mided presents a real problem in key states and that will be highligthed by republicans, as will the attempt to dismiss those same voters not supporting him now in primaries because they are racist. Obama's weakness with this portion of the elctorate is much deeper. Obama's problem is his actual inability to respect that protion of the elctorate he has essentially called weak-minded, and now racist for not supporting him. There is nothing Hillary can do to help him overcome his snobbish intellectualism that focuses on ideas that are putting down real people, as if they are the problem, rather than it is about real people that connect with Hillary because she connects with them on economic issues important to them. He looks down on them, she respects them. They don't miss that point or try to explain it away as meaningless in terms of the general election in the fall.

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ToadTreeHugger — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:53:50 GMT

If Obama disses Clinton for the VP slot, it will divide the party. He will lose his credibility as a uniter. And he will lose the general election.

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thosfiore — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:55:25 GMT

I used to work in Glendale California, an area that has quite a few members of the church of Scientology. A lot of the hate flowing back and forth here reminds me of the cult members that I knew in that area. They could be rational, intelligent, kind people but there was this psychological appendage that they carried around with them that took them to this weird extreme. What I'm saying is that you might want to take a good long nap and see if you can dissolve the illusion that as a Democrat in support of candidate A you are somehow have to believe that there is something fundamentally horrible about candidate B.

These are both good people. They both seem to have more of the attributes that would make them successful as President than McCain possesses. Clinton is a highly detail oriented, roll up your sleeves type of hands on manager; Obama is more of a outline the broad policy, delegate to trusted subordinates and only get involved in the details when his people can't resolve it on their own kind of leader. I've worked for both types and though I do have to admit that I'd rather have the autonomy that I get from the Obama style I know many people that enjoy the direction and structure that they get from the Clinton manager.

What I don't want is four more years like we have had the last eight. McCain has all of the attributes that would allow people who would run their agencies to benefit their economic interests instead of those of the public that they should be there to serve. McCain has spent the last month trying to paint over how tied he is to corporate lobbyists; if he is elected he will be putting your and my futures in the hands of these self interested charlatans.

Please don't let the petty differences that separate the Clinton and the Obama supporters doom us to four more years of misguided rule by the real eliteists, those who would use government to make themselves wealthy as the expense of doing good for the people of American.

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Spacer — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:55:42 GMT

Women who vote for Hillary presumably want equal wages with men. McCain opposed a Senate bill that would enable women to sue for discrimination whenever they first discover that their emplotyer is discriminating against them. Obama was in favor of the bill.

Hillary's supporters presumably would like to see abortion rights protected. McCain intends to appoint enough new Supreme Court justices like Scalia and Alito that the court majority will be able to set back abortion rights -- and many other human rights -- by a hundred years.

To put it diplomatically, they are being childish in the extreme if they vote for McCain out of spite.

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qualquan — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:08:39 GMT

History is very revealing. No president who presided over a recession or serious economic downturn at election time EVER got re-elected or had his party's nominee succeed. NOT A SINGLE EXCEPTION!

So unless the economy recovers miraculously before November the Repubs are toast and the Dem nominee (even the lying, incompetent, deep in debt Hillary) will win. PERIOD!

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eliaseg — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:29:01 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ,

If Obama were hispanic, I gaurantee you'd vote for him. I can understand how hard it is for people of any race to vote for a Black man. But I also understand that color has nothing to do with it until we bring it into view through the media. I could care less about your vote because you're a weakling that hides behind blogs to cope withthe fear of a Black person being in charge of our country. Your insecurities within are about to get a lot stronger my friend... you should give your doc a heads up that you'll need some medicine to get you through the next 4 years. For you to even try and compare Hillary Clinton to John McCain shows your ignorance and level of education. Hillary is the opposite of McCain in so many ways it's not even funny. But somehow in your convoluted thinking you'd vote for the exact thing that your chosen candidate stands against. That says there are underlying reasons why you wouldn't vote for Obama. If you said "hey i'm not voting at all" then it's a different story. You just don't want Obama to win because you dislike the dude personally... surely your right to do so, just like it's my right to say that I would never vote for a president that would make space for illegal immigrants from any country. I completely understand your rhetoric however because if Obama was Hispanic he'd never get my vote. And unfortunately at this time, they would not have gotten through the first primary because of ignorance like yours. Ironic ain't it?

Democratic Party and the USA in 08'

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jpooch00 — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:36:18 GMT

The thing is, all politicians are nothing more than self-serving, narsissistic, professional liars. The same general personality traits as used car salesmen and infomercial spokespersons, but on a vastly larger and more potentially desasterous scale - nothing more and nothing less. The ones who are best at selling their BS to their trusting constituencies go the farthest. It's astounding to me that any intelligent person who is old enough to vote hasn't noticed this. Taking ANYTHING that these people have to say as more than just a gigantic load of hot air is simply a total waste of the short time that we have on this earth. It will be business as usual as soon as the election is over regardless of who wins, so why all the fuss?

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blncdNsfbay — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:45:49 GMT

This presidential race is pretty much already over. McCain has already won. Anyone that voted for Obama in the primaries just wasted their vote.

The majority of voters are not going to vote for a wet behind the ears, black senator. It's just not going to happen. Yes, I said black.

If you think we're living in a colorblind society, you must be blind. The bulk of this country is just not that progressive. Like it or not, that's the way it is.

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sharonevolving — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:50:20 GMT

Andrew, you don't get it. Hillary supporters, huge masses of them, are NOT going to get into the fold and 'come around'. Many of us wanted her because she's strong, experienced, has done her homework on what's going on in the world, and is more centrist.

Guess what? So is McCain. There's more in common between those two than with 'The Precious". We're tired of media like you telling us he's inevitable, we'll get in line and follow eventually. NOT TRUE! So don't be so quick to dismiss those poll numbers. She's carrying more of the popular vote - people did NOT come out and unilaterally pick Obama. 17 million of us picked, and continue to support, Clinton. You guys in the media called Pennsylvannia, West Virginia, and Kentucky irrelevant. You're mistaken, and you're doing a dreadful job reporting news. Thanks to you, many in the Democratic party feel abused and disenfranchised. So how do you think they'll pay you back for that? Not by 'getting in line eventually'. They'll vote Republican.

Bet on it.

McCain is not nearly as bad as an alternative as Obama.

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zzxno — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:01:57 GMT

I had no problem with Clinton staying in till the end as long as she avoided being divisive. The problem is that the current narrative that she is pitching to the media, that the nomination is being 'stolen' from her by a bunch of disenfranchising woman haters who don't represent the will of the people is about as divisive as it gets. The fact is that Hillary lost fair and square and is now trying to reverse the will of the people. Her people saying that if Barak Obama can beat her than he should, I turn that logic on it's head and say if Hillary is the best candidate why is she behind in EVERY concievable metric. Her claim to the popular vote stands on her willingness to disenfranchise voters in caucus states and the voters in FL and MI that didn't go to the polls because they knew the primary wouldn't count or couldn't vote for Obama because he wasn't on the ballot.

If Hillary continues this she will sink the democratic party in '08, and to be honest I don't think she cares.

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raddave — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:09:18 GMT

sharonevolving Why do you think Clinton is more a centrist than Obama, Their voting records are for the most part Identical, their platforms are almost identical. In fact on health care Clinton's plan is more to the left than Obama's because she wants to make it mandatory for all citizens to have coverage. McCain WAS more a centrist. But he now supports tax cuts that he voted for, has changed his stance on immigration, started coddling evangelical ministers, wants to prolong the war in Iraq. About the only things Clinton and McCain have in common is that they are part of the Washington establishment and their families are worth more than 100 million dollars.

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mariab — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:59:22 GMT

Why won't Hillary concede the race? She is becoming every negative adjective for

white women in America. Please lets come together.

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faceoctober — Fri, 23 May 2008 03:07:46 GMT

Polls get it right SOMETIMES, but in this case the polls are wrong. We all know clinton supporters are pissed so they are pouting. When election time comes they will see it differently after facing a legitamite desicion with new BUSH=McCain. Represent the person who represents your issues. If Bush policy are addressing your issues then vote McCain. Otherwise get over the primaries and bury McCain!! If you don't you know you will hate yourself when you see are nation getting flushed by the GOP!!!

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Jack999 — Fri, 23 May 2008 03:34:14 GMT

Hooray...Hoporay .....George W.Bushs/Clintons dynasty Legacy, long.... live America!!!!We can be Proud Of America ,might as well demolished the ELECTIONS too troublesome...This Election Goes to Bush McSame or Hillary heating the seat ,while waiting for Bush Twin matured,Next Election 2016 goes to Clinton Chelsea,Then 2020 goes Bush Twin daughter,So American dont have to argue over petty Issues.....Washingston just for BIG SHOW.

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BobinOhio — Fri, 23 May 2008 04:11:02 GMT

jpooch00

If you believe what you say, my question for you is, "Why are you wasting your time reading this nonsense and responding to it?" That is more ignorant than what you are accusing the ones who ARE interested and who do believe in something and who do VOTE and who do care!

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Politra — Fri, 23 May 2008 04:40:54 GMT

Vote received by Clinton do not belongs only to her. If she is a democrat, she should agree that most of the votes belong to the party.

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crat3 — Fri, 23 May 2008 06:07:32 GMT

Newsweek is pro-Obama biased media; so in Obama'a support every effort will be made to distort and argue a result for Obama. It is delusional, speculative thinking that "many of these folks will come around" reflecting a sexist dismissal. There is no "threat" to defect; defection will occur, and the superdelegates and the Democratic Party are looking at a train wreck in November with Obama. "Obama is all but certain to top the ticket" is pro-Obama biased media spin, and it's baseless speculation that Sen. Clinton's supporters are "coming to terms" with this. It is expected that the uncommitted superdelegates will make a decision that is loyal to their true function and reflects wisdom, integrity, and courage. This decision will select Sen. Clinton as the Democratic nominee to defeat McCain and win the general election.

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DHeath — Fri, 23 May 2008 10:43:11 GMT

If Clinton makes the case she was forced out early, she can make a case for running as an independent. She's been laying the groundwork. The campaign has been sexist (Chris Matthews saying she was only in because her husband slept with a bimbo), the news coverage unbalanced,the Obama supports so fearful of FL and MI they won't let the states revote, etc. She's close in popular vote, she's able to win the swing states, she's grown in strength as the campaign progressed. She could argue she's saving the party from themselves. The superdelegates choose the nominee, but they don't decide the general. Obama to the left, McCain to the right, Clinton in the center. If Clinton held her base, and drew independents and McCain defectors, she'd win the general. Wouldn't that be hysterical.

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BrianMcBoston — Fri, 23 May 2008 11:40:02 GMT

Any of these mathematician pundits want to talk about the Electoral College and how exactly Obama wins in Nov? We're about to nominate a sure loser. This is a business decision - do we want to win or lose? Do we want McCain or a Dem in the White House? Let's not get too wrapped up in purism to be pragmatic and wise enough to do what we need to do to win. It's like Ralph Nader costing Dems the election in 2000. It's foolish. They party should get control of this and put up a winner, Hillary. The race is a tie to be decided by superdels. I now regret voting for Obama. He can't win Ohio, PA, FL!!!!!! Red alert!!!!! That's 70 electorals, folks. Add in MI and NJ and that's 30+ more. Obama's made his case to these voters repeatedly and with 3, 4 and even 8 times the media Hillary had. They know what he's selling and they didn't buy it. And, his "swing states of IA, WI and CO total about 27 electorals!!!! Not enough!!!!! And VA?? No, sorry not counting on that one. That's one of the most reliably Republican States. The only reason Webb won is because Allen shot himself in the foot every time he opened his mouth!!!!!

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Savannah — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:29:32 GMT

I agree with the fact that the most important consideration the superdelegates need to make is based on who can win which states in the general election and, therefore, have sufficient electoral votes to beat McCain. I think the DNC shot themselves in the foot on this election. I have been a lifelong Democrat and have come to realize through this campaign that the Democratic party doesn't know how to win. I am not only now considering myself an Independent but will either vote for McCain or write in Hillary Clinton's name on my ballot. I firmly believe that Hillary Clinton is absolutely the stronger of the three candidates, the most prepared to lead this country and that's neither sexist, racist or anyother "ist". It just is the facts.

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Chloe123 — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:38:25 GMT

Not only should Clinton be a "real woman" and support her opponent she should be a lady and accept the inevitable. She is a Senator from NY that has not accomplsihed anything that qualifies her to lead a country. Obama is a senator for two years and has been associated with American haters and this does not make him experianced, only that he is "popular" because of Bushes rating- not in spite of the fact Republicans are the better party.

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SanityClause — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:45:11 GMT

If Clinton supporters think she has more in common with McCain than Obama, they are thinking of McCain circa 2000. Back then he rightly deserved his reputation as a maverick. But take a look now before you decide he's worth your vote. John McCain has sold his soul to the devil to become president. On almost any issue, pull a quote from 2000 or 2002, and then pull a quote from the last few months, and you will see a 180-degree shift. He is now running in lock-step with Bush and the neocons. Not necessarily because he believes all of it - but he has decided it's the only way to get elected.

When Obama finally, officially, gets the nomination, McCain will be subject to the long-overdue vetting that will reveal him as an opportunist who will say whatever he thinks will get votes. At that point, I can only hope that Clinton's supporters will see him for the snake oil salesman that he is.

I honestly don't see anything other than an Obama electoral landslide in November.

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nateismguru — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:48:15 GMT

Clinton cannot win the general election. She's doing well in the Democractic primary with people who tend to support her anyway, and she isn't even winning the majority of Democrats. To argue that she is the stronger candidate when whe can't even win a group of people who don't have negative opinions of her is ludicris. Further I object to her claim of experience, she had never held an elected position before becoming Senator. Are we going to completely discount state elected positions; Her husband by that logic was elected with "no" experience. Do you know who Obama actually has more experience in office than? Lincoln. Lincoln held the same state positions as Obama and then served two years as a congressman. The Dems have a winner, and a very stong candidate without Clinton's negatives.

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fe427so — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:50:43 GMT

We must be on the 10th, 11th or 12th reason from the Clinton camp why she's the ONE. I've lost count, but surely the next one will be that she and her hard core supporters will drink poisoned Kool-Aid, while chanting "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, woooo, woooo, woooo" if Obama gets the nomination.

Senator Clinton you and your campaign have become delusional and are in dire need of professional help. For the sake of the Democratic party please get it and allow the rest of us to go about the business of defeating McCain in November. Or better yet, since both you and McCain have lost your bearings, why didn't you just join him as VP.

That has to be your secret wish, just accept it. Then for the rest of us, you will be exposed as the cry baby you are, willing to destroy the Democratic party because you think and Bill think you own the place and you can't have your way.

Please just go away.

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marylynne — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:52:44 GMT

The Clinton's are using gangsgter tactics. Carville kneecapped Richardson for endorsing Obama, effectively intimidating the remaining wimpy superdelegates. They are not staying on the fence because they think Clinton might win, they are afraid of what the henchmen will say. Now the Clintons are using their steadfast and probably very sincere supporters to blackmail Obama into putting her on the ticket. Obama will need a necklace of garlic cloves and a wooden stake to get rid of these two.

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ckwan4 — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:53:25 GMT

Romano:

This is nothing new. This is what I have been telling you all along here. While opinion surveys cannot predict the future, common sense can. If you look at the primary voting results so far, you should notice that Obama was only able to win the majority of the white votes in a handful of liberal states (not counting the caucus states). If you go by electoral votes, Clinton would have defeated Obama because of the large states she has won.

So, what is the bottom line? The bottom line is in a 1-to-1 match up with McCain, Obama is going to lose 50 states in the general election because he won't be able to attract enough white votes in any state to put him over the top.

Is there any way that Obama can win at all? Yes, have Clinton run as independent. Then, she will split the white votes from John McCain and the die-hard black votes, the other minority votes, and the libaral democratic white votes would then be able to put Obama over the top.

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Adora — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:57:22 GMT

Senator Obama will have no problem come November. The Clinton's have been around a long time. It has been Hillary who was going to run for President for as long as I can remember. There are many people that think the name and her being the first woman to run gives her the right. Not me. Hillary ran a sorry campaign and she thought without trying she had in the bag. Not this time. We don't need someone who will lie,cheat, or do or say whatever it takes to be President. Would you want the White House run like that? We had it like that for eight yearrs,remember? These are different times and the only candidate who can and will help to get this turned around is Senatoe Obama. I am a life long republican. I am a fifty four year old nurse and I will leave my party to vote for Senator Obama. All of you people who say you won't vote or you will vote for McCain are making a big mistake. I ask that you think about what you are saying and make the right chose come November. The Superdelegates are making the right choice.

Obama for President

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miamiman — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:03:51 GMT

wow can't believe that this discussion even exists. we have basically an unprepared individual running for president(BHO) who STILL has no experience in fiscal or foreign policy. an individual who simply gives nebulous promises of success without backup. When he does spout policy it is extremely flawed and naive. the dem contestjust goes to show how unthinking and emotion driven the voters can be. instead of "platforms and policies" its "promises and personality" with no thought as to qualifications. Mccain remains the only choice as he has experienced the highest levels of stress and duress,showed his true mettle and honor and has been in the senate for quite some time. Neither of his opponents can hold a candle to this. Mccain '08 he's the ONLY choice.

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ginamlaster — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:08:42 GMT

Clinton lost this race fair and square. She lost because NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE VOTED FOR HER!!! Sure, some people are sexist, just as others are racist. But votes are votes, and delegates are delegates. Everyone agreed to the rules at the outset, and to complain that the rules are somehow unfair only when you are losing is transparently self-serving and downright silly. All this nonsense about popular vote is just bait, and I can't believe so many people are falling for it. We all learned about the value of the popular vote in 2000 when Gore had it but lost the election. Why, because right or wrong, the electoral college votes decide the presidency, just as delegate count decides the primary. It's always been that way, so it makes no sense to complain about the rules now.

I for one am sick of the threat of Hillary supporters voting for McCain if they don't get their way. Let 'em go. The number of republicans voting for Obama because their party has all but destroyed America outnumbers the Hillary defectors at least two-to-one. Why? Because they're Americans first. They care too much about their country to let this go on any longer. If Hillary and her supporters are so blind that they would vote to continue this nightmare because their horse didn't win, then fine. Let 'em go.

Just look at the numbers...really look at them; not just Obama's numbers, but McCain's. Nobody really likes him. He was just the best they could do. He's not pulling a fraction of the people Obama is to his rallies. His fundraising has been dismal at best. His party is disintegrating right before his eyes. Before long, all he will have will be disgruntled Hillary supporters. So screw 'em. WE DON'T NEED THEM!!!

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SanityClause — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:09:16 GMT

McCain is the 'ONLY' choice if:

1) You have really enjoyed the last eight years, and

2) You'd like to see four more just like them.

Show of hands, anyone?

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miamiman — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:10:40 GMT

Nobama: You don't stand a chance in Heck in Florida buddy. I live here I know. Come on down and talk to us and find out. you don't stand a chance here. I will NEVER vote for such an unprepared individual who is full of rhetoric and empty promises. talk about morph man trying to fit the mold of everyone but satisfying noone.

Mccain '08 he is the ONLY choice.

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SanityClause — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:13:47 GMT

miamiman, go ahead and vote for McCain. It's obvious you would vote for any Republican over any Democrat, whether they happen to be McCain and Obama or not. You're probably on the RNC payroll anyway. I just can't believe that anyone could want the 'same old thing', given the state of our country's domestic policy and foreign standing.

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lbrillante — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:16:18 GMT

well I hope that someone can factor in the fact tha tsomeone like me WILL NOT vote for Hilalry Clinton. Despite Senator Obama's faith that the party will unite... I can tell you that I will not only not vote for any ticket with Hillary Clinton on it, I will fight to keep her out of the white house. I support Senator Obama for president and if the nomination is stolen from him... I will work for a third party candidate.

The Clintons have shown themselves to be of a despicable and disgusting character that I would support in leadership ANYWHERE.

So the Clintons will pay the price for what they have demonstrated during this campaign. If the DNC rules committee apeases her... I will leave the party. I have absolutely no tolerance for the divisive and disgusting things that the Clintons have said and done and continue to do. I would not want any woman in our country to use her as an example of how to lead... without integrity or decent character. I just can't take anymore.... She has crossed my line and Senator Obama cannot repair that!!!

I will vote for Senator Obama or I will be asking someone else to run as third party...maybe Chuck Hagel...at least he was against the war.

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:25:11 GMT

Bullshit and stupid article. This particular writer is bias. He is Hillary supporter. I want tell you today that nobody can change the outcome now. Hillary will loose to Obama. Nationwide polls show that Obama is leading. Are they not also considering your bullshit factors??? Stupid writer.

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miamiman — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:26:28 GMT

Hey Clause: that game will not work. he is a diffrent individual who will continue policies which are unpopular but necessary.

Americans cannot stand discomfort and wish to "change the channel" when we get irritated. you all are kind of shallow and think that things can be taken care of with a wave of the hand and no consequences will be realized. Again a naive notion instilled into you by your boy BHO. He has backpedaled and flipped on several ofhis promises.

1. he will withdraw troops immediately

Revised version: he will draw them down gradually(same as other candidates)

2. he will have talks with Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, alqeda, etc. WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS

Revised version: Will talk to them when the have renounced violence and recognize Israel's right to exist(Bush admin. policy at present )

So whats so "NEW" about BHO? he is subject to the same rules as any other candidate and has no magic up his sleeve only illusions and delusions.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:34:42 GMT

It seems that people don't understand why people that happen to be pro-Hillary won't vote Obama. Here it is, we don't believe the words that come out of his mouth. He could promise us to balance the budget, provide healthcare for everyone, lower taxes and bring everyone home from the war, blind-folded with his hands tied behind his back and we don't believe it. You say, "How can you vote for McCain?" It's not the same platform, this goes back to not believing Obama can acheive the things he says he can. It's not for spite, or because we are racists, it's because we hear the words that are coming out of his mouth, and sure he wants to do many of the things Hillary does, we just don't believe he can do them. That said, being that we think Obama is totally incompentent, we must choose from the list of competent cadidates, there's two names on that list, Hillary and McCain. It's not about the issues, or the party or the platform, or about hate, it's about not wanting to vote for someone we do not believe in. McCain may not do all the things I want him to do, but I won't feel like I'm voting for a know-it-all guy with hardly any experience and has based his campaign on grant speeches meant to pump people up. Obama supporters, you believe in Obama, people who do not support him do not believe in him. It really all comes down to that, nothing more, we're not going to check a box next to a name, we do not see any substance behind. Plain and simple.

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brian.reach — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:36:57 GMT

Trust me, we're not voting for Obama. Ever.

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:40:06 GMT

It is just that hillary supporters are racist and shallow minded. She will loose. You can vote for McCain who cares. Stupid people

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fe427so — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:42:33 GMT

Bill Clinton is making the rounds saying that Hillary should get the VP slot. Well I'm sure McCain would be thrilled to take her.........PLEASE.

How about this as a campaign slogan, free of charge........"McCain and Hillary, nuts for America"

Hillary, please go away and take Bill with you.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:42:40 GMT

Yeah fact, keep playing the race card. It's played out, and we Hillary supporters laugh at you. You might win the nomination, but you'll never win the election. We'll really be laughing then.

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Micky Marsh — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:47:51 GMT

When its all said and done, Senator Hillary Clinton will be someone sitting in the audience. The truth is I saw this in a vision on 1 January 2008, also Senator Barack Obama will be the President of the united states. I enjoy the various political analysis, but I already knew the out come from new years day.

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ericsoka — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:48:19 GMT

I am from New York and have been a Clinton Supporter for years. I am going to tell you right here and now that I WILL NOT EVER VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA in this years election! I would rather have (4) more years of the HORROR that I KNOW then (4) years of inexperience and gutlessness. Obama does not have the strength or fortitude to be president of the U.S. He talks a good talk, but talk is cheap. We need someone who will stand up for the American People and puts us back in good standing with the rest of the world.

If it came down to it I would not vote at all and I have voted in every election since I was 18 yrs. old. I am now 54. It would kill me, but I would do it, or I would write in Hillary's name. We have waited for years for this chance and will not let OBAMA steal it from us.

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:49:13 GMT

Hillary and her supporters are disgraced to America. Look at baseless arguments they make. You are loosers and nothing can change Obama's position now. Obama will not make the mistake of Kennedy to pick Hillary as running mate. Johnson succeeded in killing Kennedy, and Obama is too smart to allow Hillary to kill him. Shame on Hillary and her supporters. Narrow minded people.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:49:57 GMT

If Hillary can't be the nominee, I would be THRILLED for her to be the VP on McCain's ticket. I'm not so thrilled at the prospect of her being the VP candidate on Obama's ticket. I'd still have to vote against her. So Obama supporters, I think for once we agree, you don't want Hillary on your ticket, and I don't want her your ticket either.

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:34 GMT

Obama is not stealing from you. Obama has won more delegates according the normal rules. Stupid Hillary and her stupid supporters are changing the gear now. Both candidates agreed to the rules of the Democratic primaries and all constests. Stupid Hillary and her stupid supporters think they can change things. Loosers!!!!!

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JACKI L — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:53:05 GMT

Wow.. I am so sick of people using the "experience" excuse against Obama. How many of our past Presidents have had enough "experience" for the job?? Not many .. That's why the President has Cabinet Members and advisors. McCain has not held the position of POUS nor has Clinton. But yet they continue to claim they have the needed "experience". I trust Obama to position the best possible people with the most qualified experience in keys spots in his Administration. I can't say I feel the same for McCain (too many Bush people) or Clinton (owes too many favors to the wrong people). So all you racists who are covering up your bigotry with the "experience" excuse need to admit the truth and the real reason for voting Republican. It has nothing to do with experience and everything to do with racism and bigotry. Time for you to grow up and deal with reality.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:55:26 GMT

Shame on us, blah blah blah.... You're the narrow minded one, someone comes along out of nowehere and promises you the moon and the stars and you believe it. Wake up, it has nothing to do with race. The more you say that they more you show your lack of intelligence.

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delius1967 — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:59:18 GMT

HRC supporters talking about "experience" and the Bill factor crack me up. How much experience did he have in 1992? Governor of Arkansas, wow! I know people from Oklahoma who like to say, "We're 49th in the nation -- thank God for Arkansas!" Governor of Arkansas is a great reason NOT to elect someone. And he couldn't even keep that job!

The experience argument is completely specious. The president doesn't operate in a vacuum; there isn't a person in the world who has a larger set of advisors and experts dedicated to giving them data to make decisions. It's not like there's going to be a foreign policy crisis and Obama is going to have to hit the books to figure it out. He'll have people with deep, intimate knowledge of the countries in question.

There are three reasons to vote for a candidate:

1) You think experience is most important. But if that is what determines your vote, you should vote for McCain even if HRC is the nominee (and she won't be). He truly has experience, unlike her bogus "35 years of public service" claim. She's not even in public service right now, really; her term in Congress was nothing more than a transparent bid to get to the White House. McCain also dealt with a lot more than some mythical "sniper fire".

2) You think the candidate's stated positions and beliefs are most important. Obama shares those with her much more than McCain does -- their voting records are almost identical.

3) You trust the candidate's character even if you don't agree with them on positions. You won't see many HRC supporters here, of course, unless they are completely delusional (see: sniper fire, et al). Regardless, any rational analysis of the situation shows Obama to be superior here, as well.

In other words, for Hillary supporters, there is absolutely no reason to vote for McCain, unless you are vindictive, racist, or just plain stupid.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:00:11 GMT

Hey Micky Marsh, what's next week's lotto numbers?

hahaha, you saw it in a vision...whatever.

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:01:57 GMT

@Rdominguez...............where in latin america are your from originally. if this is the way you select presidents in your latin american heritage then sorry...give us a break here. we are in modern world now. Obama has proven beyond all doubts that he is capable. And he has beaten the candidate that you think has experience. Stupid person!!!!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:04:46 GMT

delius, I didn't say "experience" I said I don't believe in the words that come out of Obama's mouth or the annoying way he talks and delivers speeches. If we don't believe he can deliver, then he can promise me a million dollars and I still wouldn't vote for hiim because I don't think he can deliver. He's all talk. It's not about Republican or Democrat, it's about 3 people, 2 that live in the real world and one that lives in la la land.

( I probably need to say which is which for you Obama supporters...sometimes you're a little slow... McCain and Hillary live in the real world, Obama in lala land.)

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:08:25 GMT

Who says I'm latino? You guys love to find a race and pick it a apart. All along you've said people who don't like Obama play the race card, when it's you I always hear screaming about. My choice has NOTHING to do with my race just like me not voting for Obama has nothing to do with his race. So move on with it.

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:10:37 GMT

@rdominguez................lala land is winning and real world people are loosing. so what is your point now? Obama is sending hillary to pension now. Their dreams for their daughter will be cut short this year. That empty headed mccain who is enjoying publicity because he is in the GOP will loose to Obama in November.

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JACKI L — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:12:11 GMT

RD.. you obviously are the one lacking intelligence. Who exactly is the one making promises?? It seems to me all three candidates are. That's all part of the game. And if you think there is only one person making false promises, then you are the one showing the lack of intelligence. Like Mr. T said, "I pity the fool..."

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Factarereal — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:12:56 GMT

Dominguez is not a normal name from America. Or somebody is hidding his identity by using latino name as a supporter of hillary (latinos and hillary are married together).

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pmspiker — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:16:02 GMT

I t;hink that it is truly delusional that HRC says that Obama "cannot win the white working person's vote". What a hoot. What about the "white working people of Oregon, Iowa, etc and the United Mine Workers of America who support Obama. Are they not working people??? Give me a break Hillary. Time to go. back to the senate...bye bye

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ericsoka — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:20:29 GMT

Earlier I did post a comment, but feel like there was something major that I left out.

It truly amazes me that the OBAMA supporters believe that the Clintons play the race card. The Clintons have always supported the Black Community and in turn Bill Clinton was called (by the black community) "The First Black President". It makes me very sad to see how quickly the black community has abandoned them totally. It is almost like they don't even know them. I am not black, but a white, college educated, middle aged woman. My black friends have all said that they love Hillary, but are really only voting for Obama because he is black. I have pointed out to them many times that Mr. Obama is just as WHITE as he is BLACK.

Furthermore, he does not have the average white american vote, latino vote, the votes of the Jewish community, women voters - so who does he have? The Black vote (only because he is black) and some white college educated folks. He will not win against John McCain in Nov. He is trailing now and will fail in November.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:24:38 GMT

hahaha, whoa, quite an attack on RDominguez. haha bring it.

First Factarreal- Obama is winning the nomination, not the election. They are two different things, and there's no way Obama will win. The nation is not going to vote in a black president. Sorry, it's an ugly truth, being black is not why I'm not voting for him, but that will be the reason for a lot of people. SO you can think he will win, but I don't see it.

Jacki- I pity the fool too, that would be the Obama supporters, anyhow, that's right they are all making promises, I just don't believe Obama can make good on ANY of them. I have no respect for him and I don't think he's cut out for the job.

Fact- again you show your ignorance. "Dominguez" is not a "normal" name. I think the Obama people are actually the racists. You're so anxious to categorize everyone who does not support Obama. Well, it doesn't matter, in the general election you can categorize us into one group.."ANTI-OBAMA" there will be many of us, all for many different reasons who do not support him, women, hispanics, whites, Republicans, Democrats, and probably some blacks, but we will all come together to fight against the Obama-cause. So if you want to classify people there's one group, and you want to talk about coming together...Watch and see, we will! and Yes we can!!! hahahahahaha

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miamiman — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:49 GMT

Talk about racist. Dominguez is much more so a part of the AMERICAN landscape than obama. OBAMA is not a normal name from AMERICA. have heard Dominguez all over the US but until BHO I have NEVER heard the name OBAMA.

Its OK to be racist to Latin voters? but anyone who votes against obama is a racist? Get over it and realize that obama is unprepared and will be gutless and clueless. After all Hamas hopes he will win and Amedjani is just waiting to pick him to pieces. Obama hasn't a clue about foriegn policy and protecting us.

BTW.. no one that is elected can affect the price of gas...Presidents have very litle influence on this market which is more influenced by worldwide supply and demand economics

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chris30338 — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:31:15 GMT

Why are Hillary's supporters saying Obama stole this nomination from her?

1) Because of FL/MI? Hillary and her campaign agreed to these rules. Her campaign chairman voted in favor of these rules. What don't you understand about this?

2) Because Obama's ahead? I've got news for you: This is a democracy and according to the rules, who gets the most democratic delegates, wins the nomination. As Hillary and her campaign have been saying all along BEFORE Super Tuesday "Its all about the delegates". Obama has won more states and now has more delegates. Period. What is the matter with you people???

Get over it and stop tearing the party apart. All of you Hillary supporters are sounding a lot like her, OLD & BITTER. You all don't deserve to vote for ANYBODY if you can't accept the results with good grace.

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JACKI L — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:31:21 GMT

RD..You admit all the candidates are making promises. You also obviously believe that Obama is the ONLY one who can't make good on any of his promises. Sorry RD.. you do lack intelligence but now I see you are also dilusional. How can you say you are not a racist when you state "the nation is not going to vote in a black president.." You have just proven the fact that you are definetly a racist and bigot. We all "Pity the fool..."

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chris30338 — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:33:35 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ,

You sound OLD and BITTER. Get over it. If you can't accept the results of a fair election then move to a dictatorship. You deserve nothing better.

Isn't there a flight you need to catch?

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miamiman — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:36:31 GMT

Rdominguez: Good analysis! they can't handle the truth!

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klstearns — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:38:03 GMT

Mr. Romano -- If all voters voted strictly by party line, there would be no need for elections, so your argument has aspects of a "mirage" as well. I'm a registered democrat and a Clinton supporter. I like Obama but I have doubts that he will be able to pull off a win once "the gloves come off" in the republican campaign. The republicans will try and associate him with the black militancy movement, and if any of that sticks, combined with his "elitist" image problem, too many middle Americans will bolt. Finally, if he doesn't name a sweetie, I mean woman, to his ticket as the vice-presidnetial candidate, I will seriously consider voting republican for the first time ever in a presidential race.

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cynwest — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:38:49 GMT

Obama supporters are so fullof hate..it is sad really. They want to say that if we Clinton supporters dont support him in the fall that is is becasue we are sore losers. Or we are racist. But it was never about that. Its about, we look at the reality of it all. ANd reality says he is not ready. If we chose to vote for someone else it is because experience IS important. He has been in the senate for such a short time and he hasnt even been there. He has been campaigning since day one. I cant support him. I WONT support him. Even if I dont vote for McCain and write in Hillary, which I am more likely to do, at least my vote will be heard. If that gives us Mccain, so be it. It cant be worse than Bush no matter what everyone says. It wont be worse........

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:39:13 GMT

JACKI- You're pathetic, calling a racist when you know nothing about me. It's a defense mechanism used by the Obama supporters and it's old. <yawn> Really old.

Another thing, I'm 27, so I'm not old and bitter. Obama gets most of the younger voters, not me. I understand we're voting for a president and NOT American Idol here. I don't think you people get that.

Anyhow, all you can say is I'm a racist. Ok said, it means nothing, your words mean nothing and in the end your vote will mean nothing. It's unfortunate that blacks have shown to be racist towards whites by voting for Obama because he is black, and yet, people who are not black who do not vote for Obama are racist. Racism goes both ways you know, blacks are just as guilty. Anyway,pity the fool, pity yourself.

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miamiman — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:39:53 GMT

sleep and sweet dreams all you dems. cause you will wake up from your dreams soon only to realize that you have an unelectable candidate... too late wait again for 2012...

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chris30338 — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:41:59 GMT

Judging from what I'm reading from many of these Hillary supporters, I've reached the sad conclusion that many of them are racist. Comments like "This country will NEVER elect a Black man for President" pretty much sums it up. Why don't you all move to West Virginia or Kentucky? I'm sure you'll have plenty company there. Obama's experience? How much experience did Bill Clinton have before he became President? Obama had enough experience to speak out against the (then) impending war in Iraq when Hillary, for all her experience, voted in favor of it. Obama's also run a far better campaign. If Hillary became President and ran the economy like she ran her campaign finances, the good ol' USA would be declaring bankruptcy in a couple of years.

Not one Obama supporter has made the comment that Hillary cannot be elected because she's a woman. Most of Obama's supporters don't think Hillary's electible because she's a CLINTON, and not because she's a WOMAN. So much for Hillary and her pathetic supporters claiming sexism!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:45:04 GMT

Miamiman, these Obama people just don't get. It's unfortunate that by the time they see what we were trying to tell them, it will be too late.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:49:18 GMT

A couple of facts that you all need to keep in mind. Campaign promises are what all candidates make in order to get elected. Obama promises change (pipe dream but more about that later) and Clinton promises solutions (I think she has the tenacity to deliver).

If any of you are delusional enough to believe that Obama is going to change the way politics are run in Washington, then you will be sorely disappointed. All you have to do is look at history for your answer. Politics and power have not changed much over the centuries - only in the past, they use to kill people to get what they wanted. Today we are a little more humane and just try to disgrace them. Do any of you really believe that the Republicans or even moderate or conservative Democrats will just roll over and play dead for whatever Obama wants? Keep dreaming. I think he is too arrogant to build consensus. He wants consensus on his terms. Obama is all about a protest movement. Okay, so the message is clear that people want change - so do Clinton and McCain! Don't confuse Washington politics with George Bush. Bush is the worst President we have had in my memory and I'm over 50!

Hillary has and always will have my vote because she has the education, experience and plain tenacity to get things done. The WH needs a woman badly and Hillary is the right woman for this job. I believe that if she were President, not only would she be an inspirational leader but she would enact the change that this country sorely needs and she has the political contacts and clout to achieve it. I think that there are those who will continue to hate her - but nothing can be done about that. Besides I think most of that is from men who feel threatened by her and woman who can't forgive her for staying with a cheating husband.

I think if Obama gets elected, we will have a very inspirational President who the people like (because he is very likeable) but won't accomplish much other than go down in history as the first black president.

The one thing that really scares me about Obama is foreign policy. This is where I have seen the most arrogance and you all have reason to be concerned. He is extremely naiive and inexperienced in dealing with these roque countries that we need to be concerned with (Iran, Cuba). I just hope someone reels him in before he makes things worse!!! He doesn't get it and his arrogance and hard-headedness is frightening.

Lastly, don't pay any attention to Andrew Romano, he is clearly an Obama man!

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valadezaj — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:50:23 GMT

See Obama supporters? Youu need us Hillary people if you want your king to be prez. Now start kissing our a s s e s or we'll vote McCain this fall.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:50:29 GMT

Chris, Some people are racist, me personally, I just can't stand the whole "Change" movement, that's why I'm staying away, the Obama group to me, is more like a cult. Not inclined to join in on that. You people seem delusional to me. (I'm sure you think the same of me)

Anyhow, racism is still alive. If you don't believe that you're not looking around. That's the difference I think between the Obama camp and the Hillary camp, is that we face the reality of things, no matter how ugly it will be. You guys act like racism is gone completely. It's not. Sorry.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:53:33 GMT

pixiepunk, well put. Bravo!!

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maryrat — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:55:08 GMT

Hillary is not electable now and she won't be electable in 2012.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:01:54 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ:

I've been following the chain and you are fighting a losing battle (as I'm sure you have figured out). Obama supporters thing of him as the "second coming" and you a right, it's like a cult. All you can do is plead logic and hope some of it gets through....

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:02:23 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ - Oh and BTW, you're welcome!

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:04:24 GMT

Oh and the other person that scares me is Michelle Obama! Does she have a chip on her shoulder or what?

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News and Notes — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:04:57 GMT

When Hillary and her supporters try to use numbers in her favor, they get insulted with responses related to basic math. Yet Obama supporters, including Newsweek, use numbers Obama's favor, and they think that is legitimate. Fact is, very few Hillary supporters in Florida will vote for Obama becuase they are furious about the fact their January 29th primary was not counted. Obama has hidden behind arbitrary and punitive rules to ensure Florida democrats would not participate in the nominating process. If he is the nominee, why should those same voters support him in November? Obama would lose Florida in November, and Hillary would win.

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Jack999 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:05:12 GMT

Sen.Obama able to pulled the Independent White Voters,Republican,Youngsters,to democratic party,which we see their views behavior as unrepresentative.This can lead to generous due their higher education level,because of this reasons,often patronizing, able to exaggeration of the positive qualities toward "One's exceptional values" on individual in order to differentiate this good person from the bad outgroup members. "Obama is really the exception that proves the rule." "He's really bright and hard-working, not like other black Chicanos as what their judgment perceived."

But some Hillary voters see Obama as special advantage being able on positive act that can be seen as beyond the control of the actor."He is treated as dumb like the rest of his group,but he won the election anyway by sheer luck." as what they claims Or, the actor had the benefit of a special advantage conferred by his black American status. Typically, this special advantage is viewed as discriminatory and accompanied by a sense of resentment. Black Americans have traditionally explained away the negative behavior and outcomes of white Americans in this manner Of course,know whites have also expressed strong opposition affirmative action programs to revolves the Rules.

High motivation and effort on Obama Individual members of a disliked on this Hillary outgroup are often seen by more benign bigots as "overcoming dumb" through great personal effort the handicaps involved with belonging to an unfortunate people. This Hillary group thought traditional phrase for such compensatory behavior is "a credit to his race." NOTE: But this Hillary group not seen Obama as "exceptional cases," because they would return to their stereotypical state if it were not for their keen motivations to make Hillary be President,threating to bring full bus load of petitioner losers to Washingston for streets demonstration.

Distinctive people draw attention on distinctive people and vivid or extreme occurrences often capture our attention, distort our judgments. If we are self-conscious about being different, we may misinterpret mannerisms and comments that we would otherwise not notice.

In recent decades minority-group militancy has come to challenge the more traditional and blatant forms of discrimination. As a result, it is argued that covert and subtle mechanisms now occupy an even more important place.

Within the United States, at least, a great many offices and positions are, at least in theory, open to individuals on the basis of merit.The doctrine of equality of opportunity has always insisted that individuals must not be judged on the basis of their race, ethnicity or other class attributes. Rather, each individual should be evaluated on the basis of their talent and skill.

In the last my analysis,however,talent and skill are relative matters.Which group's values will be used in determining who is "bright, industrious,resourceful,and proficient"As President? More importantly,who will control the White-house that able to regulate the flow of people into those positions that provide access to society's good things,This Gatekeeping refers to the decision-making process by which individuals are admitted to scarce positions and offices of power, privilege, and status within aceptable to a society.

Most gatekeepers are white.They are usually professionals with experience and credentials in the fields they monitor.Even now the black gatekeepers are well-intentioned,brilliant individual,many whites often feels that'll be victimized in their encounters with him.

Let's Us Unites and dont be Prejudice Americans by branding and labelling on certain religious groups,We creates more harms and endanger for Our Country America than good when we have Negative Minds.

One good example learnt ,When a US Marine intelligent by Name Spann,was send to Afganistan to investigate the Prisoner,was killed by white American Taliban.

CNN reporter Robert Young Pelton recorded Dawson asking in Farsi, ‘Why are you here? Why have Spann and his associate entered into this perilous labyrinth. Berntsen explains why they could not wait. “Mike and Dawson knew that the mission they’d been sent to undertake was dangerous, but absolutely had to be done.

They were in Qala-i Jangi to identify foreign fighters with the knowledge of future al-Qaeda attacks against the West. If one of the 500 prisoners revealed a future hijacking or dirty-bomb attack, hundreds, or even thousands, of innocent lives could be saved.” With the fate of so many Americans at stake, they did not hesitate. “So they dove in, going from prisoner to prisoner. CNN reporter Robert Young Pelton recorded Dawson asking in Farsi, ‘Why are you here? Why have you joined the Taliban?’ ‘To kill you!’ came the answer from the Arabs, Chechens, Pakistanis, Uzbeks and even a few Europeans.” This reply was aimed not just at the two men, but at all Americans.

Nauseatingly, one was already in Qala-i Jangi. “As they moved through the prisoners, Mike Spann noticed a pale young man with long hair who was trying to look invisible.” It was John Walker Lindh, the notorious “American Taliban,” a convicted criminal now languishing in federal prison who betrayed his country and who stands in utter contrast in terms of character, patriotism, and human decency — to Mike Spann.

Moral Lesson are : Our enemies can be anywhere if we ourself DONT stop the Act of aggression toward others.

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DCSteve — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:06:25 GMT

Bumper -- This post is everything the press acuses the Clinton's of doing, counting numbers and coming up with magical results that reinforce your postion. Call it Obama Mirage.

OK. During the primary the reason that Clinton won and Obama lost the swing states is because of racism, but suddenly when Obama runs against a white republican racism is no longer a factor? All these back? Come on, bumper, can't have it both ways. Not feeling comfortable voting for an African American will cost at least 5 points in most of the country (perhaps that is counted in with the polls, more likely the Bradley effect will grow these numbers even more). What will hurt Obama more, however, is the fact that Obama is a competent John Kerry. A good many democrats and the vast majority of the country are a lot more conservative than Obama is. That is going to cost him more. The republicans will find plenty of ways to allow people to vote their fears -- against Obama.

As to your point about the defections that is wishful thinking. You prove that there is nothing to worry about with the defections by showing that only 10-20 of Obama's supporters threaten to cross while a third of Clinton's do -- and that means the third will come back? OK, here is another intepretation. Clinton supporters are Regan Democrats that will be perfectly cheerful to support a republican -- in fact they do frequently. Obama supports are in great numbers very liberal people and African Americans. Hmmmm... don't see them crossing in large numbers somehow. No matter how you spin it, in a year the Democrats should win a walk, we have selected a candidate that very well may lose.

I suspect that the reason you get a higher defection rate is that a good part of Clinton's core supporters are these so called Reagan Democrats -- and for them to vote for McCain is no stretch at all. Obama's core groups -- African Americans and Liberals I somehow can't see voting for McCain regardless.

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JACKI L — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:07:43 GMT

RD.. you say that blacks are racist because they vote for Obama because he is black. Have you given any thought to the fact that most of the "older" woman who are voiting for Clinton are doing so because she is a "woman". But I guess in your fragile mind that doesn't factor in anywhere. My point is simply that a person should not throw ayay their vote because of racism or sexism. We all need to stay focused on the issues at hand. My main problem with Clinton is her constant flip-flopping on several issues. Notice how she hasn't mentioned her "gas holiday" now that everyone with any sense has panned it. Also, it's a known fact that she originally went along with the DNC's decision regarding the Fl and MI primaries being moved up in date. But at that time she was ahead and didn't think it would matter to her. She also stated the importance of the superdelegates when she was ahead. Now that the tables have turned, she has flip-flopped and said it had to be the popular vote that decides, not the SD's. I guess that is what her "experience" has taught her. How to manipulate the rules to acheive your own goals. Where was her passion for health care when she sat on the board of Wal-Mart and worked against the common people against the union and benefits? I'll tell you where her passion was, it was in her pocketbook everytime she got her paycheck from Wal-Mart. Where was her backbone when her husband humilated her in front of an entire nation? Did she have the backbone to stand up to him and kick him to the curb?? Not Hillary, she had an agenda and kept him around knowing she had intentions to run for office. Where was her integrity when she got her own daughter to lie for her and back up her phoney story about sniper fire in Bosnia? She has made a mockery out of the men and women who put their lives on the line for this nation every day. What mother would allow her daughter to

travel to an unsafe region of the world?? Hillary knew there was no danger or she would have not had Chelsea with her. I could keep going but I'm sure you will argue these points which are public knowledge and not made up stories. "Pity the fool.. this time it's you..."

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:07:58 GMT

Pixie you're right, it's a losing battle, I know I won't change their minds. I actually get a kick out of getting them all worked up. hahaha.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:16:46 GMT

PIXIE- Michelle does have a chip. I really can't stand the sight of either of them, and it only gets worse when they open their mouths. I've said this before, if and when Hillary is officially out of the picture, I'm tuning out and just voting McCain in the election. I've followed this from the beginning and I'm exhausted with it. When Hillary is out, then it's done deal for me, I'll actually be a little relieved to be able to break from this whole election. That's why the articles that say "we'll come around" are flawed, because when she loses to Obama it's over to me, and the choice is clear, McCain.

And the article below from DCSteve, was spot on. I like McCain, his road is different from Hillary's but not one I'm totally adverse to. Did you see him on Saturday Night Live and Ellen? He's really a funny guy.

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LuLuBelle — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:20:40 GMT

Mr. Romano,

You are like most Obama supporters - you just don't get it! The Clinton supporters are not saying we will not vote for Obama because we are angry she didn't get the nomination or any of the other stupid reasons you list. We are NOT voting for Obama because he is CLEARLY not fit to be president!

We are not going to vote for some lying, anti-American racist as president just because he affiliated himself with the democratic party in order to get elected.

You think that we will all come together and vote for Obama but you are sadly mistaken. We are not going to EVER vote for Obama and you will be proven WRONG come November.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:23 GMT

JACKI- OK, I don't want to argue with you about this, I'm not racist, I have never been, I think you people are crazy (Obama) supporters and I don't personally care for Barack or Michelle Obama. Don't try and overanalyze it. That's that. Sorry.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:22:46 GMT

Go LuLuBelle! Welll said! They don't get it.

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D. Affiliated — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:23:07 GMT

To all of you Clinton supporters saying that you won't vote for Obama, well this is one Obama supporter who will never vote for Clinton, so right back at you two fold. Clinton supporters are the most unfair and irrational voters in the electorate. There are a mountain of ACTUAL SUBSTANTIVE reasons why I won't vote for Hillary Clinton, she is proven to be a liar and a crook and now with the way that she's been behaving in the last couple of weeks, she's also showing herself to be a sociopath (which I always suspected with the unsavory dynamics in her and Bill's "relationship" anyway. All of her so-called experience is an illusion because she's never actually accomplished anything. She has no morals, no character and no scruples. And you Hillbots just repeat any accusation that Hillary or one of her supporters makes about Obama even if it is simply just patently absurd. Obama sexist? Give me a frickin' break, you all sounds as batty as Geraldine Ferraro. She's a perfect example of a many Clinton supporters: she thinks it's perfectly OK to make the absurd assertion that Obama is winning only because he's black and it's not at all racist, yet she thinks Obama is being "terribly sexist" by gestering that he's simply going to let that pile on by Clinton and the so-called moderators at that ABC debate slide off his back (or off his shoulders more specifically). That is just patently illogical. Where were all these women when Clinton was on "Bimbo Eruption" duties when it was Clinton's job to impugn the integrity of any woman who spoke out against her husband's sexual harassment? Clinton has been enabling a sexual predator for decades now, yet Obama is "sexist"? Give me a frickin break.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:25:46 GMT

You know, it's really not about Clinton why we won't vote Obama. If there was any other Democratic choice at this point, I would pick that one. The only other viable choice is a Republican. Where's Al Gore when you need him!!!

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ExpatinSpain — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:29:05 GMT

Clinton loves to say she stands for change. Yes, during the Clinton years we were better off, but Washington was still "broken" during the Clinton Presidency, and they didn't do much to fix it. Plus, it clearly states in the Constitution, the same person can not be president for more than two terms. We all that idea, right? Do we REALLY think HRC will be any different than WJC? McCain and Clinton are just on the CHANGE bandwagon, like other trendy words like "ECOLOGICAL", and "SUPPORT THE TROOPS", etc. They say they are going to raise car efficiency standards, and haven't done so since they have been in Washington. They say they back the troops, but when those troops come home, they are not given the care (psychological/physical) that they need and deserve. There were many things that the Clintons weren't able to get done during EIGHT YEARS. So we need to wait another 8 to see if they can things done this time around? The only thing Clinton will do is coninue to isolate the sides on the issues, and little will get done once again...Everone thinks Washington is broken, yet when someone comes in to try to change it, we feel better electing the same old people who have had more than 20 years to fix things, and never have (just look at the incumbency election rates). Bush junior got reelected, for crying out loud!!!

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:32:28 GMT

Get over your hurt feelings, Hillary supporters. I would gladly vote for Hillary if she were the nominee, because I recognize that despite my personal feelings SHE WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COUNTRY THAN A REPUBLICAN.

Hillary and BO have virtually identical views on key policy issues shaping our country --McCain does NOT share these. Electing him would mean (a) Roe V Wade is overturned and women lose control over their bodies (b) making the Bush tax breaks permanent, with terrible consequences for middle class folks.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:34:48 GMT

ExpatinSpain, again this is not about who we want to elect, rather who we don't. We do not want Obama.

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sbvpav — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:35:36 GMT

overheated perhaps; or perhaps holding the democratic nomination for president hostage until she gets what she wants - the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people, i.e. government for and by the people. let us hope those who are supporting sen. clinton now will realize what is ultimately best for our country, our children and our grandchildren is a democratic president to help restore the damage to all of us by 8 years of bush/cheney/mccain

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JoAnna Graller — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:37:17 GMT

CLINTON AS V.P. ??!! I PRAY TO GOD NOT! I would have supported MICKEY MOUSE before Clinton- and I am one of these so called white older females! As a former Clinton supporter they have proven to be the most self serving, lying, low life, pandering , manipulating and despicable politicians I have ever seen! Their tactics have proven they will do any thing possible to gain what "they think" is entitlement to the Presidency ! ! Never since my first eligible vote for JFK. have I ever seen any democratic candidate use such low life and slime ball tactics imploring such creeps as -Carl Rove, Murdock in gaining support--- as if that were not bad enough then stating that Mc Cain and she are more suitable for the Presidency than Barack O'Bama - was more than any one with an ounce of common sense and democratic principles could forgive! Loath is not nearly close to what I feel for the Clintons! What ever respect or support I had was lost in the South Carolina Primary! Vote for Clinton NEVER! This is not merely an angry O'Bama supporter I don't want her any where near the V.P. consideration. I can just imagine the plots emerging to find out a way to move into the White House shortly after inauguration of President O'Bama! I would suggest that the Secret Service post more guards at his bedroom door for the eight years he will serve as our President! Yes, this older white female- mother of three, just loves O'Bama! I would hope that Jim Webb be a great consideration for Vice President--Why? Honorable, a decorated service man of integrity, and he doesn't take crape from ignorant people! I also like Joe Biden as Secretary of State , John Edwards as Attorney General and Chuck Hagel, Chris Dodd, Richardson, as part of O'Bamas Cabinet --I also believe that Colon Powell could be a consideration some where as part of the O'Bama Administration! There are plenty of fine democrats and some decent republicans that would be more honorable than either Clinton! If that witch is insisting she is to be the Dem. candidate I will write in O'Bama's name as the Other C hoice

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:37:27 GMT

andy- It doesn't matter the views. Obama is not capable of delivering on the things he's promised. In the end you have to do what's best for the nation, not just the party. Obama's platform is similar to Hillary's but he won't deliver. So it means nothing.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:37:52 GMT

RD, so you are in favor of making the Bush tax breaks for the uber-rich permanent, and you are in favor of making abortion a crime, even in cases of rape and incest (as stated in the GOP platform)???

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sluisfoo — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:38:49 GMT

How is it possible that Florida do not want to vote for a hard working who agains all odds have reach where he is today and understand the people's need? or is it a black and white issue?

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:38:50 GMT

sbvpav- Hillary has won the popular vote, so the will of the people is Hillary.

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NewsWkDickG — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:38:56 GMT

Shouldn't there be some consideration given to the crossover effect where Republican voters, like those prompted by Karl Rove and Russ Limbaugh (sp?) and any others, were motivated to vote for Clinton only to keep the Democratic nomination undecided and to serve Republican interests. They sure shouldn't be counted as loyal Clinton supporters and then reality says that they not only wouldn't be there for her in November but that without them, her current showing becomes artificial. Forget about FL & MI where without new campaigning and a new election those results are not real and instead consider the obvious, that it would now be literally a total landslide victory for Obama without those crossover votes (which will simply be Republican again in November). The Superdelegates should really responsibly get this over and quit playing as controlled by Republican strategy.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:40:47 GMT

"Obama's platform is similar to Hillary's but he won't deliver"....RD, this is an amazing statement with no basis in fact that I can see. We cannot know this. We DO KNOW WHAT MCCAIN WILL DO.

Again, get over your hurt feelings and do whats right for the country. I have supported OB but would gladly vote for HRC if she were the nominee.

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News and Notes — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:40:52 GMT

Obama's lack of experience on the national scene and his ability to smooth talk his way out of anything is very concerning. It was moderate deomcrats who delivered the senate and the house in 2006, not left wing democrats like Obama. If Obama is the nominee when McCain wins, don't come crying on this democrat's shoulder.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:41:50 GMT

Sorry Andy, the only Democrat I'll vote for is Hillary. I don't care the price I have to pay. Again, I can see the silver-lining with McCain. The disgust from Hillary supporters is so deep at this point, there's not way many will vote Obama at this point. It's ruined. Sorry. Get ready for President McCain.

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News and Notes — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:42:11 GMT

Republicans should not be allowed to vote in Democratic parties. That notwithstanding. overall Obama has gotten many more republican votes than HIllary. FL and MI must count unless you want to alienate the Hillary supporters in both of those states

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repaite@msn.com — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:42:19 GMT

You people are talking with forked tongues.. At one time you say that Hillary and Obama are the same on all issues. then in the next breath you say that Obama has a better plan for change than Clinton. You say that Obama Voted against the war in Iraq. ( which is NOT true) He didn't vote because he was not a senator at the time. He was verbally against it. Also, Hillary voted for the war because of all the information fed to her as the WMD and Iraq involvement with 9/11. After the truth was known, she DID say if she knew then what she knows now, she would not of voted for the war. But that apology is not accepted....is it? Well I for one have 4 voters in my household, myself, my wife, and 2 children over 18. If any of them vote for Obama, they will have to find a different place to live, because this household is not voting for Obama !

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:42:37 GMT

"sbvpav- Hillary has won the popular vote, so the will of the people is Hillary."--tpopular vote count is not measurable in a primary, as many states are Caucus States. Or perhaps you think their votes dont matter,.

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D. Affiliated — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:05 GMT

Let's take a look at the reasons why Obama bashers say they won't vote for Obama: 1) they say that Obama is un-American and 2) they say that Obama is racist. Why do they say these things? Because of things that someone else said that aren't really racist (Wright specifically said that everyone is equal and that no race is superior to another) and that challenge some of America's policies, which doesn't make someone un-American. That bullsh-t is irrational. Obama has specifically spoken out against racism and you can't name a single thing that he's done that's "un-American". I've have yet to meet an Obama basher who didn't use lies and scurrilous accusations to support their completely irrational position. I'll tell you what's "un-American", voting to bankrupt this country by continuing the war in Iraq, starting another war with Iran, shipping more and more American jobs overseas, and having the rest of the world continue to turn their back on us (one of the reasons why the dollar is plummeting) by choosing to continue the Republican approach by voting for John McCain. And another thing, you Clinton supporters who make the ridiculous accusation that Obama is sexist are planning to vote for McCain when if anyone is sexist, it's John McCain (or miss Hillary "Bimbo Eruption" Clinton herself). Someone asked McCain at a rally a while back, "well, how do you think were going to deal with the b*tch", and McCain simply laughed and responded, "well, I don't know, that's something that we'll have to figure out". Clinton is on the record as calling his wife a "f-cking c*nt" in public, he left his middle-aged wife after she became disabled for the fresh out of high school Cindy McCain and he told his wife, "well, you have been putting on a little bit of weight lately". Those things are all actually sexist. Obama is a good guy that gets accused of stuff that he's never actually done, and has people against him based on rumors and whisper campaigns that aren't even true, yet McCain and Clinton have gotten a pass on so much that it's absolutely ridiculous.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:42 GMT

I know that's right repaite!!! hahaha I'd put em' on the street too! They could go live with Barack and Michelle!

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:52 GMT

"Sorry Andy, the only Democrat I'll vote for is Hillary. I don't care the price I have to pay"...RD its not the oprice YOU have to pay, its the price to FUTURE GENERATIONS OF WOMEN, TO THE ENVIRONMENT, AND TO THE MIDDLE CLASS....you apparantly are willing to see the country suffer because your feelings are hurt. Truly sad.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:04 GMT

Mc"Bush" and Obama have one huge thing in common. They both have/had racist, hate filled pastors and the only denoounced them and refused their endorsements AFTER! they became a liability to their campaigns. AFTER PEOPLE! WAKE UP!

Neither Mc"Bush" or Obama have any right to criticized wach other on this issue, but Hillary sure as hell should bring up this point over and over again.

Mc"Bush" and Obama are finally being dragged into the light to show their hypocrisy on this and other issues and the vast majority of the American voters voting for either of the two of them had better wake the hell up before Obama is made the nominee and Mc"Bush" crushes him in the general election. The Demorcatic Party deserves exactly waht is coming for being so ignorant and blind to its only bst hope for taking back the White House and Congress for the first tinme in decades.

McCain is just another four years of Bush/Cheney. Obama has extremely poor judgment both in his political and professional life, is untested, has no experience and is getting the huge numbers because of the black community voting for him strictly because he is BLACK. That may be the ugly, unpopluar thing to say, but unfortunately it needs to be said. It is because he is black, NOT because he is the right man to lead the country out of Iraq, out of the economic mess and the horror of the last 8 yeasrs. Wake the hell up America and stop being so apathetic, lazy, whiny and waiting for someone else to do things for you. Get your a** off the sofa and do something, say something and try to make a difference.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:56 GMT

Sorry and andy, my statement may not be on facts, but neither are Obama's speeches you people seem to buy into those. So, sorry I don't "believe" he can deliver and I don't plan on giving him the chance. Sorry!

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:46:01 GMT

Again I would vote for Hillary if she won, because I KNOW ITS BETTER FOR THE COUNTRY. That so many HRC supporters are willing to see Roe V Wade abolished because their feelings are hurt amazes me. Truly sad.

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sluisfoo — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:46:44 GMT

How is it possible that people from Florida will not vote for Barak, a who against all odds prove and can be a role model for the working class fron any race and denomination. who start a discussion everybody knows that live, but do not wants to talk about it. what is the real problem or issue here. Don't tell me that the Florida people is racist.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:47:53 GMT

NO, not because my feelings are hurt. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT.

I'm not comfortable with him in office, and I'm not buying into your Obama cult. Like I said, if there was another Democrat I could choose, Al Gore, heck, even John Kerry and I didn't like him much, I'd choose that one. The only alternate is McCain. It has NOTHING to do with hurt feelings. Get it through you thick skull!!!

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pissed-off — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:47:59 GMT

it's okay us afro american's are use to most of you'll making excuses for not voting for Obama for racism is hard to get over when you have not beeen born again., but your party need's you so don't make anymore excuses for we have been voting for the white race faithfully without complainning so loudly so unless you are leaving america get used to it for we are to groom more if not like him but better so express your-self full- heartedly for you will pay for it with the next 8years/fake democrats

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Used to be a Hillary supporter — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:48:06 GMT

One question to all of you Hillary supporters. When Bill had his affair with Monica who coined the term Monicagate? It was designed to put the focus on Monica and NOT Bill. Monica did wrong but at 20 years old and thinking she was in love I can certinally forgive her. Especially whan whe was getting bad advice from Tripp. Bill was in his forty and had a track record of doing this. It was reported that Hillary came up with the term Monicagate. She was an enabler who attached the women in Bill's life instead of the cause. Everyone forgave Bill but Monica is still the joke. Nice.

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D. Affiliated — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:49:16 GMT

See what I mean about loony Hillary supporters, this fool "repaite@msn.com" said that he or she is going to put his family members out on the street if they vote for Obama. Logic and reason are of no concern to Hillary Clinton supporters.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:51:57 GMT

"Get it through you thick skull!!!",..yeah, RD, this is a truly mature level of discourse....you are quite clear that you are willing for the country to suffer, for Roe V Wade to be abolished, for the Bush tax cuts to be made permanent....why you are willing for this to happen only God knows...

Sad that this level of "discourse" is what HRC supporters are reduced to,

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:52:38 GMT

Mc"Bush" is self-imploding and actually kind of fun to watch.

On the other hand, I am so sick of the Obama's whinging and complainging. Especially regarding Michelle 'The Mouuh" Obama.

That woman had better learn, and learn fast, that she is living the "fish bowl" life now and that every word she utters from those big lips is going to be put under the microscope and commented on, dissected, scrutinized, etc.

She sure as hell can dish it out, but can't take it. As her hubby warned (so funny) in his interview on the"Today Show" to leave his wife alone and stop pickin' on her, I'd like to give him some advice to give her. Either tell the b**** to get used to it or SHUT THE HELL UP and ZIP IT. IF she can't take it now, should he win, which is very, very unlikely, the next four years the press, the public and the republicans are going to have a blast.

GROW UP MICHELLE and STOP THE WHINING!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:53:15 GMT

OK, you want to talk about Monica-gate ok, first off, Monica should be a joke, she was the one messing with a married man. It's not like she didn't know Bill was married when she was on her knees in the oval office. So if she's facing some hate for that, good, she should have stayed away.

Second, Bill is not the only man who has cheated in this country and not the only one who was forgiven. I say don't judge people, it was between Bill and Hillary if she forgave him. And, I CREDIT Hillary for having to go through that in the public eye.

Finally, the whole Monica-gate was ridiculous anyway, so Bill got a BJ, thart's his business, he was running the country fine, I don't involve myself in employees lives, so if they get the job done, great, that's all that matters.

The Monica thing is a poor argument.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:57:36 GMT

Andy- Yeah I said get it through your thick skull, because no matter how many times I explain why I won't vote for Obama you say it's because I'm throwing a hissy fit because I didn't get my way. You're off base and I do wish you would get it through you thick skull.

If they overturn Roe Vs. Wade, blame yourself, for not putting in a cadidate on the ticket like Hillary who could actually win. Whatever bad happens Obama supporters have noone to blame but themselves.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:58:53 GMT

I read several comments on different sites yesterday, including here, that no matter what happens in Florida, Michigan or in the remaining primary states that the nomination should go to Obnama no matter what because if it doesn't then there will be chaos in the streets.

Great idea. As is so often the case, when the black community doesn't get what they want the take to the streets like wild animals, cause millions in damage, untold numbers of injuries to innocent peoople, destroy their own communites, etc. etc.

Good reason to give the most powerful position in the country to someone who is racist, inexperienced, has lousy personal and professional judgment, unvetted, and so on just because he is black and we are afraid of what will happen if we don't.

The American voter. Apathetic, lazy, frightened, cowards. Anyone for more Kool-Aid?

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Used to be a Hillary supporter — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:59:32 GMT

RD I justed stated why I will never vote for Hillary. If you can have you wacked reasons so can I. If your employees were messing around at work would would't do anything. If the guy was in his forties and the boss of the girl in her early twenties you wouldn't do anything?

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:00:29 GMT

RD, I tried to have a mature discussion with you....you seem incapable or umnwilling to engage in a discussion on a mature level...when you are ready to dialogue beyond a 4th grade level let me know

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Greg285 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:02:18 GMT

It is so 'Unitellingent' to vote against your own interest, yet that is exactly what many Clinton supporters are saying. Well, I for one don't believe they will! Those who suppoprt her and stated that they will not vote for Obama, were going to vote Republican anyway. Nothing lost there. However, as for the other supporters, especially all of her female supporters, they will vote for Obama because they are not going to risk being the generation that overturned the right for a woman to choose which is exactly what they would be doing as MCCain is on record as saying that he would place a conservative judnge on the Supreme Court. ANd if that happens, what do you think the first thing the would do? You guess it, overturn Roe v. Wade and that would be just the start of countless other Supremen court decisions to come..Stakes are too high, so don't believe the hype....

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:02:23 GMT

TonyC...your calling the black community "wild animals" only reinforces the fact many people will never support OB simply because he is African American...you need to take a good hard look at yourself when you use words like that

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:02:53 GMT

Used to be a Hillary Supporter(sellout):

Let me say this, Bill was the boss, I've worked for bosses that did whatever they wanted. Bill's job was not a 9-5, the White House was his home. So that's where he got the jb, so technically he was at home. And NO you shouldn't involve yourself with people's privates lives when they are at home.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:04:52 GMT

andy- typical response from am elitest Obama supporter. Join the cause or else you're immature and racist... Move on, I'm done with you anyway.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:07:15 GMT

Here is the country TonyC and RD want...

--victims of rape and incest GO TO JAIL if they have an abortion--

--the uber-rich get PERMANENT TAX BREAKS while the middle class tries to survive

--we continue our presence in Iraq for "up to 100 years"

--the enviromnent contnues to SUFFER

Thats what we'll have if McCain wins. Since you say you support him, thats what you want. God help us.

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D. Affiliated — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:08:04 GMT

"Good reason to give the most powerful position in the country to someone who is racist, inexperienced, has lousy personal and professional judgment, unvetted, and so on"-----

That's an exremely apt description...of Hillary Clinton. You've got a lot of nerve calling Obama "racist" (he's white and black, who the hell is he racist against?), Clinton has no experience doing anything except being married to Bill and competing with Al Gore for VP power in the White House, you don't won't me to even go there with the lousy personal and professional judgment (campaign brought in over 200 million dollars yet she's over 30 million dollars in debt, arrogantly assumes that she's going to win the nomination on 2/05 and has no plan to compete after that, etc,etc), and she has gotten a complete pass on her many scadals where she lied, cheated, etc., this entire election cycle. And the old feminists have nothing on blacks when it comes to irrational emotional responses to their candidate not winning.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:09:25 GMT

There is one , and only one good thing about Obama winning in November and not Hillary.

Just think of it people. FINALLY, after all these years, decades in fact, FINALLY the "self-proclaimed" Rev's. AL Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will once and for all time be exposed as the frauds, clowns. and fools they have always been in theblack community. Those blow-hards will at last no longer be able to play the race card, use the race excuse as every reason under the sun to blame the white man for all the ills in the black community. The weak fooundation they have stood on for decades will be ripped out from under them with such force that they won't even see it coming.

No more legitimacy (not that they ever had any) to their bogus marches, speeches, whiny, rhetoric any longer. Remember Tawana Brawley, Duke University, Rodney King for starters?, I could go on but would take days and days.

The Rev's Wright, Jackson, Sharpton must be terrified that Obama may win and I'm sure are doing everything in their power away from the microphones and cameras to see to it that he does not because should he become the next president, they might actually hav eto get REAL JOBS! OH NO!

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:09:27 GMT

RD TonyC called the black scommunity "wild animals"...that doesnt sound racist to you?

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:10:59 GMT

HEY ANDY!

Hey you jacka**. Re-read my message. I am for HILLARY! DUH!

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:11:17 GMT

if RD and TonyC are representative of HRC supporters, than I understand why she's losing

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:11:27 GMT

andy, Obama can't win, so if he goes get the nomination, he will surely lose with or without my vote. So those things you listed, if they happen, look yourself in the mirror and know you were part of the cause for nominating an individual incapable of winning the general election. Don't blame me blame yourself, I'll wake up each morning feeling fine, knowing I tried to get through to you and you just wouldn't listen.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:12:03 GMT

D. Affilitated_ Thanks man, I needed a good laugh to break the tension. Getting a little heated in here! :)

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:12:14 GMT

TonyC..."wild animals"...they are your words, not mine

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:12:40 GMT

While I do support Hillary, I'm more anti-Obama than anything else. So please don't think I'm fighting this for Hillary. It more to keep Obama out.

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D. Affiliated — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:13:42 GMT

And in case you haven't noticed, Clinton supporters are the ones who are threatening civil war in the party if she doesn't get the VP offer. Several reports to that effect have come out today. Well I don't want her. She is a filthy person and once she's the nominee, the Republicans will start actually focusing on her scandals and baggage that she's gotten a free pass on this entire election cycle and her numbers will plummet anyway, Interestingly enough, I've seen polls lately paring Obama up with various VP choices (Clinton, thank goodness, wasn't one of the options) and he did best when he was paired with John Edwards for some reason. He and Edwards beat McCain and Romney or McCain and Huckabee by about 13 points nationwide in the polls that I saw.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:14:30 GMT

I voted for Clinton twice; I would vote for Hillary if she wins because I know it is best for the country...if that is "elitist" i dont see how

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:14:32 GMT

Andy:

I've lived through the violence and riots in DC. Live here still and see the way the black community acts when they don;t get what they want. Speaking from experience man. Don;t see the whites setting business on fire, destroying peoples proerty, overturning cars, etc when they don't get things their way, especially in the neighborhoods where tehy live. Show me otherewise and I'll take back what I said..

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:15:55 GMT

I really don't want Hillary as VP either, I won't vote for that ticket either. So, D. Affiliated, we agree on that. Hillary should be at the top, with Obama's name nowhere near hers.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:17:41 GMT

TonyC...I appreciate you giving a decent answer instead of the insults RD likes to throw around..

I only ask that in November each of us votes on what is best for the country...OB and HRC share identical positions on key issues...thats all that matters to me

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:19:45 GMT

Andy. Apprecaite your candor also. However, OBAMA is not the right man for the job. Considering the 3 stooges we are stuck with, Hillary is best for the country. Respect your opinion, but that is mine. WIll write her name in if necessary.

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ced8668 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:21:23 GMT

What's really irritating me are those who are commenting that blacks have turned their backs on the Clintons. Let's be real clear . . . blacks embraced them and held them up, even when Bill was being impeached. In the first years of Bill's presidency, especially, when he was being attacked by the Republican Congress, he went to the urban communities to seek solace. What more do the Clinton's want from the black community? Isn't it their turn to reciprocate, just a little? As some have already commented, if it weren't for blacks, he wouldn't have been president. The Clintons have been in politics since Nixon. Hillary was involved in Nixon's impeachment hearings. Footage of that was shown during Bill's impeachment. My point is, it's time for new ideas. Just as Bill once campaigned on. He was young and presented an image of new ideas. He was very appealing to young voters, which I was at the time he was president.

Another thing that's irritating, why does the older baby boomer generation feel as if they have a monolopy on who should be elected? How about turning over the reigns to someone who is younger and with new ideas? Most of their speeches are always about the future generations and their children, and their children's children, etc. Which tells me, they aren't sincere about it.

And, finally for those who think blacks have turned their backs on the Clintons. They are still some blacks that support the Hillary because they reminiscent about Bill; and then you have those who support Hillary because they fear Obama being murdered.

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JoAnna Graller — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:22:21 GMT

In the 1800's any one who's name was O'Hara, O'Riley,O'Brian etc. were considered less than human, because of their name. Then the slime throwers were off to the Italians, the Poles, and the Jew's. Today it's a Bright articulate, and courageous young man who by the way had no choice in his given name, since we are named by our mother's mostly , and , ( who is half Irish and full blooded American ) , O'Bama, Hawaii of a white Kansas mother and a Kenyan father! I think that makes his As AMERICAN as any of you morons who should take a IQ test before voting!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:22:58 GMT

Andy- I'll try and be "decent"

I will vote for what's best for the country, Hillary or McCain, they differ greatly, however, 2 different roads. I don't agree John McCain is the same as Bush and I believe he will show that in the election. I also don't agree with universal healthcare, I believe if roe vs. wade is overturned that there are still other options for abortion, also, I see benefits to finishing out the war in Iraq, John McCain made a good point, why would we tell them when we were pulling out? That would let all the insurgents know and plan, he does want a pull-out he just doesn't want to plaster the date all over the news, which maybe isn't so smart. McCain wants to clean up the environment and the economy, so those issues to me aer important. So I'm not just doing it being a big baby, there's some part of me that likes McCain. He's not a bad guy.

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sluisfoo — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:25:05 GMT

Ok pissed-off I totally agree with you, that is a better way to describe what is happening. it is pure excusses, they are not telling their thrue feeling. they do not want to vote for a american who was born in America from a white mother and a black father. if Hillary was black they would have had other excusses. God create everybody to be equal. but the fact is the issue of race is still out there but these with folks do not want you to say that they still did not grow over it. Look what those with a lot of experience has done with th Amerika and the whole world. all of those who say that they will vote for Mc. cain if Obama gets the nomination are eigther not real democrats, or not democrat at all or racist.

again if you are really concern of the well being of Amiraka and it's people than it is time for a change for vision and not business as usual.

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:28:44 GMT

1) McCain wants to make the Bush tax breaks for the uber-rich PERMANENT

2) McCain supports the GOP abortion platform, which calls for abortion to be a crime even in the event of rape and incest (he has said he personally disagrees with the rape/incest part but WOULD NOT CHANGE IT)

3) he has said we may need to be in Iraq "up to 100 years"

4) he MISSED a key GI Bill yesterday supported by all vet organizations, AND says he opposes it

5) he is for "alternative energy" BUT has always voted against funding it

If this is what you want, then vote for him; if not, vote for the Democrqatic nominee in November. I will, whomever it will be.

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D. Affiliated — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:30:03 GMT

And actually Tony C., that's a unfair argument that you're trying to make regarding blacks rioting. For one, it's been nearly two decades since we had a riot and 2) people in power don't riot because they have no reason to riot because they're in power. Whites in Europe riot all the time, but their not rioting because their white, their rioting because they most likely belong to some ethnic group or social group that's lived in subjagation because they belong to that group and the dominant group asserts its power in that way. There is a direct correlation between the decrease in blacks' rioting and the rise in the percentage of blacks who are now in the middle class and the fact that this country has become much less racist over the years. The last time that they rioted, the LA riots in I believe 92, there really was massive instituational police brutality against blacks in that city. People can only take so much and when they have no recourse and no other place to turn to because the ones that your supposed to turn to are the ones doing the abuse, then people will react that way, and race has nothing to do with it.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:33:14 GMT

Andy- You'll say anything and do anything to get me to change, and it's not happening. You're leaving out details on the items you listed and it's ridiculous, I'm not arguing with you on specifics because you'll never vote McCain similar to how I won't vote Obama. So sorry. If not Hillary, then yes, McCain is what I want.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:35:24 GMT

McCAIN = BUSH! Any fool who hasn't had enough of the horror of the last 8 years should vote for him and shut the hell up. No one is going to change your mind or wants to hear your unintelligent arguments for trying to justify casting a vote for such a clone of a madman.

If McCain is your choice then vote for hime and be done with it. Go away and enjoy watching more and more Americans die in a war SOLELY based on lies, enjoy paying gas that couold get as high as $10 per gallon or more, and when you lose your job, possibly your home don't complain.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:37:10 GMT

R. Domingquez. When your illegal relatives get sent back to wherever, don't cry on anyone's shoulder if voting for McCain!

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andyk52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:37:50 GMT

RD...honestly, your opinion means nothing to me at all....people like you post on places like this not to engage in open dialgue, but to shout their positions and insult people who differ...its people like TonyC I come here to dialogue with

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:39:42 GMT

One more thing... You also have to realize that people such as myself, who do not support Obama aren't listening to you. To me, Obama and his supporters have no credibility. I believe you're brainwashed and you're trying to brainwash me, and it won't happen. I know you think you have good reasons for feeling as you do, and you have shared those with me. You really do believe in the cause. We could sit here all day and night and go back and forth and I'd still feel the same. I simply will never, ever vote Obama. He has no credibility and nor do his supporters. So you're talking and talking, but I'm not listening. I would be willing to bet this goes for many people who will not vote for Obama. It's just too different a way of thinking, and one I personally, do not want to be a part of. It's grander than Republican and Democrat. Much grander.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:43:10 GMT

Andy, you don't know me very well, I'm a confrontational person, I'd have this conversation with you face to face. I feel strongly about this and I enjoy ruffling your feathers. They are ruffled you know.

Tony- I have no illegal relatives, what a generalization. You guys are so afraid of McCain, he's not Bush. I feel sorry for him actually.

You guys are kinda crazy actually. A few eggs short actually.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:44:27 GMT

sluisfoo, andyk52 and others on the same wavelength:

RD and I are kind of on the same page, with a few minor differences. Yes, I am a Hillary supporter, but the reason I will not vote for Obama is not because I'm angry or upset that Hillary may not get the nomination. It is because I don't think Obama is qualified to be POTUS. He is a junior senator with very little experience and NO foreign policy experience. I do not believe he has either the experience or the judgement to be president. Frankly, his foreign policy views scare the hell out of me.

More than anything, I want a leader who I feel can keep our country SAFE. We living in extremely troubled times. We can NOT AFFORD to make any foreign policy mistakes - war in Iraq aside. We also need to do everything we can to improve the way other countries feel about us. Most europeans hate Americans nowadays. That's the George Bush legacy to all of us. I think Hillary Clinton and John McCain are the only two candidates in the race that have the experience and judgement in foreign policy that we need in a commander and chief.

You all need to be a lot more worried about that then CHANGE. Our Economy, the environment, securing our borders - those things are a hell of a lot more important than CHANGE!!!

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:45:05 GMT

D. Affiliated - Stick it!

I live in DC and can't walk through one park on a weekday or a weekend without being accosted by some black man or woman, years yoounger than myself hitting me up for money for smokes, booze for food. Much youonger than I am and a hell of a lot stronger too, just too damned lazy to get off their tired a** and get a job. When I ask why they don't clean themselves up and get one I get a tirade of filthy language that doesn't stop. They ones that do talk, or should I say yell at me, say they "ain't " workin' for no MF Mac Donald's, etc.

I saw the young black me who were arrested at the MIllion Man March as I covered it for a local paper, but wasn't shown on the major news stations. I covered the arrests at the Black Family Reunion, the Black Pride Event. Yound black men arrested for stealing, harassing tourists on the National Mall, etc. so don't tell me I'm not being fair. Every Fourth of July the majority of arrests are by black youth, mostly men, for drug possesiion, car jacking, fighting, etc, on the Mall. I report what I see and can back up with photos.

So, prove to me otherwise and I'll report on both. Fair my a**!

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:47:16 GMT

DOMINGUEZ!

VOTED FOR BUSH BOTH TIMES DID YOU JERK! :)

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:48:15 GMT

PIxiepunk- Agree with what you've said. I stopped using the "experience" thing in my blogs because Obamas will now say "How is Hillary more qualified, what makes being the president's wife a qualification?" blah blah blah. Just watch.

I do agree with you though pixie, these are difficult times, we simply cannot afford to take the chance on putting a dreamer in the White House, not during times like these. I too feel safe with Hillary or McCain.

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ginamlaster — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:49:30 GMT

QUESTION 1: If Hillary is so "electable", why she is losing?

ANSWER: Quite simply, because more people voted for her opponent and believed that the new guy would do a better job.

QUESTION 2: If she was so "inevitable", how is it that she has managed to lose (and yes, SHE LOST) to this new guy nobody knows anything about?

ANSWER: Because telling people that she was inevitable was the height of arrogance and was maybe the stupidest thing she could do.

QUESTION 3: How could anybody vote for this neophyte from Illinois that nobody ever heard of before?

ANSWER: Because we like him better than her. The point of campaigning is to give voters a chance to get to know the candidate, and once we got to know Obama and saw that he ran a tight campaign, generated millions of dollars from grassroots support, spent his money wisely and brought millions of new voters to the Democratic party, we believe him to be the better nominee.

QUESTION 4: Given the fact that Obama and Clinton's positions on the issues are nearly identical, why did Clinton lose?

ANSWER: Because with similar positions on the issues, it came down to a matter of character, and Hillary proved in spades that she basically has none. She will lie for no reason at all if she thinks it will benefit her, she will cheat in a fair contest if she's not winning, she would gladly override the will of the voters if allowed to get herself elected, and she is absolutely a poor sport and a SORE LOSER, as are her most of her psychotic supporters.

QUESTION 5: Why are Hillary supporters considered undemocratic and UNAMERICAN by so many people, democrat and republican alike?

ANSWER: Because her supporters would gladly see the will of the majority vote (the foundation of our democracy) overturned by the superdelegates to get her nominated. They have threatened to actually cast a vote for the same Republican leadership that tried to turn this country into a fascist police state. For no better reason than sheer spite, they would cast a vote for the traitors to the Constitution who condemned 4,000 of the nations sons and daughters to death in a pointless war for profit they lied to get us into, detained people without due process because they were the wrong religion, tortured human beings for information most of them didn't even have, and bled our treasury dry in the process. Rather than to vote for the duly elected democratic nominee and ensure a victory in November, they'd happily allow America continue to scream in agony for 4-8 more years, all because Hillary freakin' Clinton lost a fair fight to a black man. Disgusting!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:51:18 GMT

Tony- no I didn't. I voted for the Democrats. Obama is unlike any other, again it's more like a cult, I will not support him. He almost needs his own party.

I fought and fought against Bush. But here we are. I truly do not believe McCain is a Bush. There are fundamental differences between the two. It's unfair to label him as such.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:51:25 GMT

sluisfoo, andyk52 and others on the same wavelength:

RD and I are kind of on the same page, with a few minor differences. Yes, I am a Hillary supporter, but the reason I will not vote for Obama is not because I'm angry or upset that Hillary may not get the nomination. It is because I don't think Obama is qualified to be POTUS. He is a junior senator with very little experience and NO foreign policy experience. I do not believe he has either the experience or the judgment to be president. Frankly, his foreign policy views scare the hell out of me.

More than anything, I want a leader who I feel can keep our country SAFE. We living in extremely troubled times. We can NOT AFFORD to make any foreign policy mistakes - war in Iraq aside. We also need to do everything we can to improve the way other countries feel about us. Most Europeans hate Americans nowadays. That's the George Bush legacy to all of us. I think Hillary Clinton and John McCain are the only two candidates in the race that have the experience and judgment in foreign policy that we need in a commander and chief.

You all need to be a lot more worried about that then CHANGE. Our Economy, the environment, securing our borders - those things are a hell of a lot more important than CHANGE!!!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:53:47 GMT

Well people, I've succeeded in really annoying the Obama people, I knew I'd never change your minds, you people are too far gone. So anyway, you're annoyed, and my job is done. Going to lunch. hahaha

You guys have a GREAT day.

Much love.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:54:02 GMT

My my ginamlaster, do we have a little hostility here? The truth is that Obama won most of these primaries before many people new much about him. Can you explain why Hillary Clinton is leading in all the polls now? I can, it's because she is more electible and because Obama is finally being scrutinized and coming up wanted.

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:54:50 GMT

DOMINGUEZ, D. AFFILIATED:

Been fun kids. Thanks for the amusing commetns, but I have a real job and have to get back to work. Hope you don't mind if I use your comments (names excluded of course) in my next article on Mc"Bush" and on how some people just never learn.

By the way, either of you want a refill on the Kool-Aid before I go?

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Tony C. — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:56:58 GMT

You tell him Pixie!

Not that he will get it, but since being a Republican is birth defect and not his fault, I believe in doing all we can to help!

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:00:17 GMT

Oh and one other thing....I am sick to death about hearing this argument about turning over the "will of the people" crap. Half of the country voted for Clinton so that excuse doesn't hold water.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:09:04 GMT

See you RD. It's been fun!

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:11:26 GMT

See you Tony C. It's been real! I have a real job too but I just keep the blog up and check it every so often..... Fridays are pretty lame around here.

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browns100 — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:37:16 GMT

To all Democrats, especially the Hillary supporters. You have two choices. You can get behind Obama, the primary candidate and future president, and this country can start to heal and see some real changes. Or, you can vote for Republicans because of your racism and lack of vision, and watch this country continue to crumble. Its as simple as that.

America's youth has got it right this time. All of us 'old people' need to take a step back and let them start to repair all of the damage that the NeoCons and the rest of the BabyBoomers have created. We all know that they will have to "pay the bill" when we die, anyway. A vote for McCain (or Hillary) is a slap in the face of our future, as if our children's opinions do not matter.

You can disenfranchise Blacks, as American history as always done, and nobody will care, which are part of America's biggest problems (ignorance, selfishness and greed). However, you disenfranchise the youth and you may see revolution. Appalachia and the rest of the South needs to grow up and learn a harsh reality. The world is smaller than it used to be, we're all fiber-optically connected economically, politically and socially, and we no longer live in a vacuum. If America doesn't get it together, we will kill ourselves and everyone around us. Your "cling" to racism, religion and guns won't save you.

That's right, I said "cling", because that's what it is. Face it! Acknowledge it! Get over it!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:39:13 GMT

For the record, I'm in my 20's and I will be supporting Hillary or McCain. I would be careful to say all youth, as I am in my 20's maybe that's not considered youth.

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ginamlaster — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:41:57 GMT

"My my ginamlaster, do we have a little hostility here? The truth is that Obama won most of these primaries before many people new much about him. Can you explain why Hillary Clinton is leading in all the polls now? I can, it's because she is more electible and because Obama is finally being scrutinized and coming up wanted."

Yes, Pixie, I do have hostility. You might even say that I'm "bitter" about the fact that this corpse just won't accept the fact that she's dead, even though she hasn't had a pulse in months. And yes, I can tell you exactly why Hillary is leading in the polls, which incidentally have been wrong for most of this campaign. She is leading because she says she is, which means it MUST be true. Just like she says she's leading in the popular vote, which is true if you exclude caucus states (which we don't) and include the two states being sanctioned for holding bogus elections (and in fairness to Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd and anyone else who obeyed the rules those votes will never be awarded "as is"). You know, in the real world repeating a lie over and over again won't make it true. But since she's clearly living in Oz as she truly believes she still has a chance to win, maybe if she clicks her heels three times while she's repeating herself, she can make those numbers that say she's losing magically disappear.

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ginamlaster — Fri, 23 May 2008 17:54:13 GMT

" Posted By: miamiman (May 23, 2008 at 10:26 AM) - Talk about racist. Dominguez is much more so a part of the AMERICAN landscape than obama. OBAMA is not a normal name from AMERICA. have heard Dominguez all over the US but until BHO I have NEVER heard the name OBAMA."

...BUT, YOU'RE NOT A RACIST, RIGHT?

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ced8668 — Fri, 23 May 2008 18:03:53 GMT

Great comments, browns100!

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Rachelraye52 — Fri, 23 May 2008 18:16:43 GMT

Wow!! People are so scared that Hillary won't get the nomination. I don't agree that he wouldn't be ahead of her if people know now about him what they didn't no in the beginning. What exactly is that. That he was a member of Jeremiah Wright's church. Oh, excuse me did he write those sermons. Oh, wait a minute he's guilty of knowing somebody who did something against the gov't when he was only 8yrs. Are you telling me you know everything that your friends and associates ever did in their entire life. No, your don't your lying. There are things that people only want God and them to know about them. So let's just stop it. On the hand, go right ahead and vote for somebody who wouldn't know the truth if it beat her in the butt. She can lie, and even steal the election because she's Hillary Clinton. Well, don't vote for OBAMA he will certainly prevail without. This election was hers to win or loose. But, everybody just knew she would have been the nominee. Whose to say that John Edwards wouldn't came on and blew her off the map. Would you say your not voting for him. Nope, you wouldn't because he's fully the right color. You all are going to be in for a rude awakening. I wish that all the prejudice people in America would get in an air filled balloon and float to a remote island and start all over again. Because we don't need you here.

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Concerned Citizen10 — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:07:14 GMT

Lets be clear about one thing if your for Barack Hussein Obama you know that he is a damaged and weaker candidate than Hillary Clinton. She destroyed him in every debate and with him out spending her 3 to 1 she is still beating him. If he hadnt had such a huge caucus lead he would have dropped out already. Hillary is clearly the winning Nominee for the democratic party but they are scared of blacks Rioting in the streets if it isnt Barack Hussein Obama and whites dont do that kind of thing. They will though ask Hillary to run as an independent or the white working class democrats will support Mccain the one Republican that can cross party lines. I have been a loyal democrat for 21 years and I cant vote for Obama. Tell me what he has done? He is green with no experience and he is not qualified with the way everything is in this country right now. The media is to blame for him being where he is because they gave him a free ride. Also you say that whites are racist then why does all the blacks support Barack Hussein Obama? Also His father was Muslim and he was brought up with some of these beliefs. Also look at Reverend Wright and Faracon! William Aiers! Michelle Obamas comments! Yes there is Racial issues out there but they are on both sides. The main issue is that Obama cant win and are the democrats willing to lose to elect the first black man? Mccain will win taking 50% of Hillary's vote if she isnt in the race. Every Republican in the world will vote to make sure the number one LIBERAL in politics does not get elected. Hillary is a much stronger candidate and she has won the popular vote and she can win the swing states. Dont you remember florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004? We cant win without the swing states. Look at all the polls this is a huge problem and if Obama loves this country and he isnt and Elitist why doesnt He want Florida and Michigan to count because if you disinfranchise them then the Republicans will take the white house. Jessie Jackson and Al Shapton are both has beens and never was! This country needs a democrat but we are going to screw it up again if Obama is the Nominee. PS Obama wants to talk to his friends in Iran and Cuba! He has already been Endorsed by the Muslims and many other bad people. Do you really think people will Elect someone with Muslim and Terrorist Ties and Strong Racial beliefs that he has been hiding. This will never happen, he will lose for us if he is the nominee. Please wake up and dont let this happen. Count Florida and Michigan and Remember if Hillary is only 60 or so delegates short with a 300,000 vote lead in the popular vote and the superdelegates DONT Actually Vote until the convention she can still make this happen.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:07:49 GMT

Look who's back!

Rachelraye52- I really hope you are right and that Hillary Clinton can steal the election!

And you're a fool to think Obama can win with his current voter base. Anyone will tell you he will need a majority of people who voted for Hillary to beat McCain, and I hate to say it but it's not happening.

And like you, I wish all Obama supporters would find a remote island, you complain about the ways things are here, then why don't YOU go somewhere, and start over. You can make all the "CHANGE" you want at that point.

And frankly I'm not scared Hillary might not get the nomination, I've come to terms with it, and I'm ready for plan be and that's to help McCain defeat Obama once and for all and put a rest to this Obama cult.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:11:23 GMT

Concerned Citizen, I agree with you 100% But watch, in their delusional world, they believe he can win, and get ready, their probably about to pick apart what you just wrote into a million little peices. That's what those crazy Obama's do.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:11:27 GMT

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phillydog — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:13:11 GMT

What is a normal name for America? Ruunnig Deer, or Morning Star. This country is a melting pot and that is what makes it so unique. We have all kinds and we all have (supposedly) equal opportunity and freedom. Unfortunately, we still have a few that think that they built this country by themselves and were born superior to others. Please get a life ginamlaster

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:22:56 GMT

Why is it if someone doesn't want Obama as President we are called racist? Not wanting him has nothing to do with his race and BTW he is only part black - mostly white if that even matters!

Why don't we start talking gender for a change. I fully believe that there are a lot of men as well as women in this country that are biased about Hillary Clinton because she is a female. These people are even harder to flush out then the racists!

This is getting beyond ridiculous. Yes, there are some people on these blogs that are racist - they should be ignored because they are ignorant.

The biggest difference between Obama supporters and Clinton supporters that I see on these sites are as follows:

1. Obama supporters want to call Clinton a liar and throw dirt on her because they can't really find a good reason why she shouldn't be president. I haven't heard any good arguments that would persuade me in the least. They hate her for no good reason. Because she's a woman? Because her husband cheated on her and she stayed with him? Because she told an embellished story about her trip to Bosnia? These are nothing but excuses.

2. Clinton supporters primarly don't want him because he is a rookie with no foreign policy experience and is too new and unvetted. A lot of the older generation are voting for her because they have been through several political campaigns and they see through his big CHANGE movement - and that's all it is - nothing but a big protest movement. They know, because they have been through this many times before. But nothing much changes. They know that Obama will not bring about the change and that it is just empty rhetoric in order to win an election.

Young people like Obama because of his message. He is a protest movement - the youth love a protest against us older stupid people. They have no experience with political history other than what they have read in textbooks. And to be honest, a lot of them won't even show up to vote. Obama has energized and excited our youth and they will unfortunately be disillusioned.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:34:45 GMT

Pixie- Great Post. They still won't get it. I've been posting on these blogs and you just don't get anywhere. The only one who can get through to them is Obama.

I definitely think the DNC has it's back against the wall, they know Hillary can win, but at this point the media has crowned the winner and who knows what would happen if they gave it to Hillary. At this point I think it may be a lost cause. Hillary hasn't given up hope so I won't either.

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vakosh — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:07:12 GMT

I will certainly wait to see how this all plays out, and I definitely want to hear what Hillary has to say, BUT, I cannot imagine what would make me want to vote for him. Everyone says "well their platforms are the same" and that is true, but you have to be able to deliver and that is the great flaw I see; I just don't think he can bring it. That's not to say he never will be able to, but with all the problems facing us right now, I don't think he's a strong enough candidate.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:17:35 GMT

Welcome back RD. Yeah, I don't know what I still try. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the DNC. They have a mess on their hands - that's for sure!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:22:57 GMT

vakosh, that's exactly right. The Obama supporters believe he can do it, I'm not sold on it, all I've seen so far are speeches, he's had his opportunity one on one in debate with Hillary but he's failed to perform at the level where I could buy what's he selling. So exactly what you said, times are tough, it's not the time to take a chance on someone like Obama, we need a strong leader with years behind there belt. Not necessarily years in politics, but someone who's lived long enough to know from life experience. I feel that Hillary or McCain would make informed decisions, mainly in respect to national security and foreign relations that would be in the best interest of the country. These are fragile times and Obama just wants to shake it up too much all at once.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:27:55 GMT

It really is a mess. I don't envy them because no matter what happens, the whole party will not be happy. Even if it's some sort of shared ticket, it just isn't going to make everyone happy. The thing is, I don't hate the Obama people, even as much as I think they hate me. I know they feel strongly about their cause just as strongly as I feel about mine. I know it would take a miracle to change the way I feel and I think the same goes for them. It's really a mess. I wish that maybe Obama would have waited, he is young, he has so much time to do this, he could have gotten more experience and run when Hillary was not. Then there would not be this huge clash. But here we are. Both in the same year. I think that if we were not at war, I might give him a second look. However, the economy is in the crapper, we're in 2 wars, and things are overall a mess. It's just not the right time for someone like Obama.

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4mygirl — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:29:44 GMT

Hillary is clearly the superior candidate. Obama is weak in the swing states and weak in all areas. The DNC should recognize this. How can a Democrat win with Obama's weaknesses. They cant! And that my friends is why Hillary Clinton should be the nominee, and finally our President. Go Hill - Give em Hell

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33:02 GMT

I agree 4mygirl. I agree completely. What I think the DNC is trying to figure out is how would they go about giving her the nomination at this point? They've almost been strong-armed into Obama. Obama's camp controls the media and the media controls the people. The people think he is the nominee. I think they are realizing she is the best candidate, but the numbers say that Obama should win. I can just hear it now if they make Hillary the nominee, for years, they'll be going on and on about how it was stolen from Obama. Dilemma. She is clearly the best woman for the job, however, let's see if it happens.

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Mariea — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:45:53 GMT

no its not the right time for obama/hillary is better qualified.

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Mariea — Fri, 23 May 2008 20:45:59 GMT

no its not the right time for obama/hillary is better qualified.

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SMAC25 — Fri, 23 May 2008 21:18:42 GMT

So, if my candidate loses, I'm going to vote for McCain. No, you want be voting for McCain. You'll telling all of those mothers and dads who have lost their sons and daughters in Iraq that you don't give a damn about them, their children, or this Country. All you care about is whether or not your particular candidate won the nomination. If you're not a parent, perhaps the day will come when you will be; at that time maybe people will be engaging in the same kind of dialogue that directly and adversely impacts your children.

I'm sure the soldiers in Iraq are saying thanks America for continuing to debate childishly while we're over here dying and being maimed without the U.S. ever having officially declared war. We're serving because many of us believe that we're doing the honorable thing. If you really want to see how rediculous and self-serving your blogs are, come visit a Verterans hospital; perhaps then, you'll understand that this election is not about Senators Obama, Clinton, or McCain. We're in Iraq (unjustifiably so) because of you - the voters/citizens of America. You (we) don't take the time to pay attention to Government by, for, and of the people. We elect our leaders, and then we say, THEY are responsible. No, they're responsible to lead. WE are responsble for making sure that they are accountable for responsible leadership. The only way to do this is with more transparency in our Government's affairs. There's a difference between secrets that are designed for National Security reasons and secrets that are clearly designed for the sake of control or the American people and a disregard for the freedoms guaranteed in our Constitution.

WE were lied to about Iraq as to why we needed to invade. The American people who really considered the gravity of what might happen were those parents whose sons and daughters were shipped out. It's easy for one to talk about partiotism. A terrorist with a bomb attached to him could care less about whether the American he is attempting to kill is wearing an American flag pin or not.

The only way that the Office of the President and others in Washington can be held accountable for both domestic and foreign affairs is that the people of this Country hold them accountable. The question then is which candidate will give US (not the candidate) the platform or the opportunity to take control of our own destiny as opposed to continuing to support the greed of the very few and NOT SO POWERFUL unless we let or give it to them.

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mobaxter — Fri, 23 May 2008 23:42:44 GMT

Sore Loser

IT OBAMA TIME NOT CLINTON.

FLORIDA YOU ARE RULE BREAKER YOUR VOTE DO NO COUNT.

A VOTE FOR OBAMA VS MCCAIN SHOULD BE ON THE ISSUES.

NOT HILLARY CLINTON TWO FACE.

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mobaxter — Fri, 23 May 2008 23:46:51 GMT

TALK IS CHEAP

VOTE OBAMA OR MCCAIN.

HILLARY CLINTON SPEAK WITH FORK TONGUE'

REMEMBER BUSH VS GORE ELECTION. GORE LOSTED.

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mobaxter — Fri, 23 May 2008 23:46:56 GMT

TALK IS CHEAP

VOTE OBAMA OR MCCAIN.

HILLARY CLINTON SPEAK WITH FORK TONGUE'

REMEMBER BUSH VS GORE ELECTION. GORE LOSTED.

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tyme4change — Fri, 23 May 2008 23:50:46 GMT

I formerly was a Clinton supporter switch to Obama. I am ready to stand by the Democratic Nominee. That is more important. I am a Democratic and whether or not I am going to stand strong and help beat McCain. I don't want my son in Iraq for another 5 years. McCain is crazy to think that I am going let him win by acting childish because the candidate I wanted to when didn't get the nomination. What are the Hillary Clinton support are quitter? Just because she didn't get doesn't mean she didn't win. She open up a lot of doors for us. I am not racist. I have co-worker that are African American's; my daughter has African American friends and other ethic group friends. My family is half white/half African. What is the matter with that? For once, I would like to have a change in life. I think it would be great to have an African American president. I refuse to let anyone tell me that am being unreasonably about who I choose (only white people can have the Presidential Office) to be in the White House. I tell you what if McCain says that our troop in Iraq have to remain over there for 5 more years, I will tell my son to desert the US Army and live in another country before he is killed. I rather accept my son as a deserter than let him die over a war fought over by oil

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Concerned Citizen10 — Sat, 24 May 2008 00:25:08 GMT

These Times we are in are very sad and Bush has let our country down tremendously. I was in the Marine's and I supported the invasion of Afganistan but was against Irag. It is easy for Obama to say he was against the war so I quess he doesnt care about all of the american lives that were lost in New york during 9/11! Hillary is stronger and ready to lead this country. Listen to Obama speak and stutter through his words because he doesnt have the answers and how the press helped him in the debates by getting Hillary to answer first everytime. He has gotten a cake walk because the republicans didnt want to face Hillary. Now they have found out things about Obama and realize they will be able to destroy him. Look at John Edwards, he didnt help Obama in Kentucky at all. How many people do you think will support Barack Hussein Obama that was involved in 9/11? How many TV show's have we seen where black people claim they are queens in Africa or Kings and they dont go back? Wonder why? Why if we make a comment its racial and if they make one its okay? Its not fair that if a white man speaks he is attacked. I like when MSNBC had 100 Obama supporters and not one of them could tell anything that Obama had accomplished. How can a person sit in their church and give thousands of dollars a year as I do and not know there pastor? Reverend Wright is Baracks mentor and Faracon is Wrights! We dont really know Obama and look at his wifes comments, do we really want her as our first lady? Im sorry, I have always voted democratic and my family and my wifes family. We are over 400 very close and we all support Hillary and we will all vote Mccain if Obama is the nominee. Its a sad day for the democratic party to do this to us. Hillary should run as Independent because she could take enough votes to win>

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Concerned Citizen10 — Sat, 24 May 2008 00:25:11 GMT

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JACKI L — Sat, 24 May 2008 00:59:26 GMT

Once again, Clinton is at it. Her outrageous remarks this afternoon were low even for her. Once again she will use the excuse that she "misspoke".. Not gonna work this time. She cooked her own goose now. It's really sad to see her stooping to such a low level just to try to win. She is definetly the "queen of Denial" Guaranteed she will still be "in it" while Obama takes the oath of office. She can deny the meaning behind her words today regarding the RFK assination all she wants. But if she was truly sincere she would have extended an apology to Obama the same way she did to the Kennedys. Her remark wasn't offensive to the Kennedys, it was offensive to Obama. Thank you Hillary for giving people the opportunity to see you for what you really are.

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hotstuff — Sat, 24 May 2008 01:28:02 GMT

There are two factors that should be taken into consideration, in making an intelligent

choice in any election.

1) The candidate

2) The policies of the candidate

Depending on whether you consider the policies and the candidate right or wrong, you would

end up with FOUR possible combinations:

a) right policies, right candidate

b) right policies, right candidate

c) wrong policies, right candidate

d) wrong policies, wrong candidate

This progressive order would be my order of preference. Obviously, the ideal choice would

be a). Next best would be b).

I don´t know if any one would want to choose c) or d). To my mind, good policies should be

the overriding factor. And right after that, the candiadate.

If we take this approach, relegating our emotions as much as possible to the background,

we´ll probably be able to make a pretty smart decision. I think we all owe this nation and ourselves

this responsiblity. It´s crucial.

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fkani — Sat, 24 May 2008 01:49:03 GMT

Do you all remember Richard Prior in "Brewster’s Millions?" He ran a campaigh and asks you to vote for "NONE OF THE ABOVE!" To vote for HRC because she is a woman, Obama because he is black, McCain because he is old, because he/she is a democrat, or he is a republican tells just how far we as Americans have sunk.

We are supposed to research each candidate and make an informed decision accordingly, aren’t we? Over the past 40 years these two political parties, who together have brought this country to brink of ruin, have gotten us all to buy into their political rhetoric BS. Wake up America all politicians are bought and paid for by big businesses/major Corporation so it’s not who will win the 2008 presidential election it’s how bad will we the American people lose.

I grew up in a democratic household during the 60's and what the Democratic Party has become is nothing more than a cheap imitation of the Republican Party and that is said. The truth is HRC doesn't care about this country or its people, power and glory is all she is after. McCain used to be one of the good guys but I can see that being a politician for all these years has taken its toll on him.

I am sorry to say that Obama is the closest thing to "of the people by the people and for the people candidate" we have this election and that scares me. I' don't speak Arabic at all.

I will probably vote for Obama or “NONE OF THE ABOVE!”

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DirtySquishi — Sat, 24 May 2008 03:37:25 GMT

You know, I have spent a lot of time reading the majority of these comments posted before mine, and I can honestly say that I am sick and tired of this whining! Anyone with the ability to listen and half a brain should be able to see through Obama's lack of ability. Electing someone into office that has yet to really prove himself as worthy is not the answer - if anything he runs more of a chance of running this country into an even deeper hole with his lack of foreign policy knowledge. As if most of the world isn't already a bit pissed at us (Thank you Bush!). All Obama has done is preach about change -which is great, but has no real plan to support these supposed "Changes" he has in mind. He, his wife, his "former" pastor and others around him have made racist comments throughout his campaign - and yet fingers are pointed at the Clinton campaign for being racist! Grow-up! I also find it fascinating that a man that has supposedly had to work so hard to get where he is is incapable of connecting with the white working class, and this is not due entirely to race, it is because Obama has thus far not been able to show that he can deliver on a single thing and he has no real record to speak of. Clinton's track record may not be squeky clean, but she has been able to prove time and time again that she is capable of handling anything that is thrown at her in a calm, collected and level headed manner and is not afraid to take credit for her screw ups. Those few remarks that she has made have been blown way out of proportion, and at least she didn't alienate sooo many Americans by making uneducated remarks about the "small town" people of America clinging to their beliefs! And I am REALLY tired of people blasting either Clinton for what happened with Monica Lewinski - that is between them as man and wife and it is none of our business! AND, if anything, I think it speaks volumes about Hillary's charcter in the positive, showing how strong of a woman she really is!

I am really disappointed in those of you that say that any Democrat not voting for Obama is doing it as a racist - I will not vote for him because of his lack of reality, not because he is black (of which he is only HALF!) Hell, my step children are half black and my brother and sister in law are black, I am not racist or prejudiced by any means....I just think Obama is not yet ready for the responsiblity of running this country, maybe in 4-8 years after he has a little bit more exposure to life and becomes a little more humble - both he and his snobby a** wife are WAY to elitist and full of self-importance! I won't vote McCain either though, my husband is in the National Guard and set to deploy next year - the last thing I want! Hillary has supported and gone to bat for our troops several times. If I have to write her name into the ballot, I will because I refuse to vote for someone that is inept or for someone that was a soldier and yet votes against benefits for them!

I just pray that the Super Delegates have the brains and the will power to do what is best for the Democratic party and save us from having another idiot in office!

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vj2008 — Sat, 24 May 2008 13:50:49 GMT

There a lot of middle class that will not vote for Obama. They, like me, do not trust him, they do not feel his has the life experience, nor the political expertise to lead our country. My huband is Active Duty and i want out of Iraq bad, but I do not think Obama has the knowledge to do it correctly nor safely. Ask any service member, if not done correctly, those people who helped us while were there wll be distroyed if we just leave, and I am talking about women and children. He has grand ideas about dealing with people like the head of IRAN, my just meeting with him. COME ON. Where has he been, does he not read the news from the mid east. This is a man the derives pleasure from killing children. A gentle man that I met in Wal-Mart the other day, who said for the first time in his life was not going to vote Democratic if Obama got the nomination told me " better the devil you know than the devil you don't" Some of my "non white" friend tried to email his site to ask about his plans to assist with health care for them Of course they never got as answer. He can not change that. Insurance companies are not going to change just bacause the President is half black and you are black. They are in in for the $ He has no intention of helping the working man/woman regardless of color. I think he used the race card to get votes. I also think he used the race card to get votes in the South Does he really think the color of his skin is going to change perception in the South. Again Come on. Only educaion will do that, I have yet to hear his policies on providing educaiton dollers to school, and finding ways to get good teachers to the South. I could go on and on but enouth said.

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PaulaJean — Sat, 24 May 2008 15:36:44 GMT

Ladies and gentlemen, lets keep things in perspective. Neither candidate is going to "win" by elected delegates. This means that no one (and that means Hillary) has lost. The nomination will be decided by the superdelegates who have an obligation to the Democratic Party to support the candidate who can best beat McCain. At this time, this is looking more and more like Hillary Clinton. It will be interesting to see if the Democrats have the courage to make this decision.

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auntidi — Sat, 24 May 2008 18:02:53 GMT

I completely disagree PaulaJean. Because Hillary has alientated the black vote. She also has lost in some of the states that she claims to have won. Texas and Ohio for example...large numbers of Republicans crossed over and skewed the results of those primaries. Obama actually won more delegates out of Texas. Those same Republicans won't be voting for Hillary in the fall you can bet your ass on that one. Pennsylvania in fact also had large numbers of Republicans for a day. Those numbers are more striking when you look at it through the fact that Obama actually has more support in Michigan and Florida than is realized. Superdelegates aren't undeducated white working class Americans. The kind of support Hillary keeps touting. Why do you think smart people vote for Obama? Because they know that the country wants change, and Obama is the change candidate. Hillary is a proven liar with the ethics of a rattle snake. You want to talk about swift boating? Hillary's baggage that she say's everyone's been rummaging through for years...well that is the truest statement in the world. Republicans are just holding their breath praying for a Hillary win so they can unleash the madness. She's being investigated and will probably be indicated for fraud. Her house of cards will come tumbling down. Mark my words, she's unelectable as hell. I can't tell you how many people will come out and actively oppose her if she is nominated. The Massive Obamican movement will coalesce around McCain and you can bet your ass the Independents will vote for McCain as well.

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DirtySquishi — Sat, 24 May 2008 18:49:48 GMT

auntidi -

Have you even paid attention? First off, if anyone has alienated anyone, Obama has alienated the white working class voters, which last time I checked are a very large population of the democratic vote! EVERY poll that has been done has showed that more Obama supporters have said that they would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee and by a landslide Hillary supporters stated they would vote McCain should Obama receive the nomination! And by last count, more crossover Republicans have been shown to vote Obama than Clinton. Also, Obama is loosing quite a bit of whatever support he may have had in Michigan and Florida since he is openly opposing any possiblities for these 2 states to have their votes heard while Clinton is fighting for them to be included in some form or another. The only thing I agree with in your post is that the Super Delegates aren't so called "uneducated white working class Americans" (again, a large portion of the Democratic vote!), they are snobby, elitist, only in it for themselves politicians.

Also, I am extremely tired of people saying "uneducated white working class" because a vast majority of that working class is educated, but just because we aren't making $100,000 +/year, we are somehow "uneducated! Screw that! How it is that Obama and his wife can try to say they have had to work so damned hard to get where they are, but are so stuck up and full of themselves that they can't even connect with a working class person unless they are of color is ridiculous! Between a candidate that has dreams and one that has ideas, give me the one with the ideas, because dreams are not reality! Maybe if Sen. Obama actually had something other than "Let's make a change", I'd actually listen to what he has to say.....both candidates are offering a change, but only one of them has the plans and the know how.

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betsyq — Sat, 24 May 2008 21:57:42 GMT

This is just another specious argument from GE (nuclear power)'s media arm. The reason Obama is less electable--and polls consistently show him running behind Hillary in key states-- is that he can not relate to average folks. He is perceived as too arrogent and too liberal, with black nationalist, even radical, tendencies. Not a handicap in the primaries, but definitely one in the general election. There are also many moderate women who will not forget or forgive his participation in the sexist attacks on Hillary led by your network and will not vote for him, no matter what. Then there is the thin resume and the Wilder factor. It is true that we can not know for sure that nominating Obama will cost the democrats the White House, but it seems obvious that the more moderate, down home Clinton is the more electable.

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ifjt — Sat, 24 May 2008 23:03:38 GMT

excuse me, but the reason Barack is having difficulty with the (white) blue collar workers and the women who are for Hillary is because these are the part of society that give America a bad name anyway, the racist, the ones who probably would never vote for a black to begin with. It's the othe half, the average folks that built that mans campaign. The average folks, that are not elite, the poor minorities, and the well educated whites in states like Iowa. If you notice the media keeps referring to Hillarys following as "non-educated blue collar whites". The average folk are backing Obama, and financed his campaign.

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DirtySquishi — Sun, 25 May 2008 03:32:03 GMT

Yet again, we have an Obama supporter throwing out the racist card! ifjt, you want to say that Hillary's supporters are the "part of society that give America a bad name" and even play the racist card, well, look in the mirror! None of the Hillary supporters I know give a damn that he is half black! And it is he and those around him that are throwing the race issue around the most. Not all of the educated "average folks" as you called them are backing Obama and that is because he is way too arrogant and does not seem to give a damn about the average American.

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Sotally Tober — Sun, 25 May 2008 05:27:09 GMT

IFJT is only stating a FACT. The vitriol coming from the Clinton supporters are not true democrats. They are "sheep" who wrere put in a hynotic state by their cult leader who is a master at planting 'seeds.' The Clinton's have been through the election process numerous times so they know EXACTLY how the game is played-----after all, they wrote the book.

Hillary will leave a bloodbath of loyal supporters in a state of shock and dismay once they snap out of their trance. They will be broke wondering where their next meal will come from while the Clinton's dine on caviar and sip champagne with their friends from Washington----Republican friends that is because the Democrats will be divided after this mess.

There is no one to blame for the mess this primary season is in but the DNC, the superdelegates, Florida and last but certainly not least----

"Senator Hillary Rodham In It To Win It At All Costs Clinton"

Michigan is certainly not to blame because they have manned up to their error and came up with a solution that would be fair to both candidates. But nooooooooo!!! Senator Clinton wants 100% of the MI vote---not a 50/50 split. What an arrogant *&%$#.

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DirtySquishi — Sun, 25 May 2008 16:57:51 GMT

The biggist point that ifjt was pointing out was this ridiculous race issue! Does anyone ever stop to think that a lot of racist attitudes develop because so many people accuse whites of being racist? I have NEVER made a racist comment, have children that are mixed and my closest friends are from different ethnic backgrounds and yet I am racist and a "sheep" and a "part of society that give America a bad name anyway" because I don't want to vote for a man that has grand dreams but no idea how to bring those dreams to fruition! If I felt that Sen. Obama had the ability to run this country I would be behind him 100%, I just don't think he is ready just yet - maybe in a few years, but not yet. I may not feel that Hillary is the perfect candidate, but she is the stronger and more capapble of the 2, that does not make me or any of her supporters bad people - so GROW UP and stop trying to make up ridiculous excuses as to why people could possibly not want to stand behind Obama.

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a415 — Mon, 26 May 2008 04:24:12 GMT

By: DirtySquishi (May 23, 2008 at 11:37 PM)

I just pray that the Super Delegates have the brains and the will power to do what is best for the Democratic party and save us from having another idiot in office!

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This Dirty squishy women seems to have contradiction problems. She must have learned that trait from her chioce of candidates. I tell HER to grow up!

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tastytart — Mon, 26 May 2008 23:18:32 GMT

I like Monty Python. I do not appreciate real life political silliness. All this racist, gender bashing, he said, she said, they said bologna is nothing but a smoke screen effectively allowing these wanna-be's from answering the tought questions. Change is such a friendly word. After this marathon political process I hope I never have to hear this 6 letter word again. If it ain't broke don't fix it, if it is broken then "tell me exactly what it is that is broken and a detailed plan of how one intends to do the fixin'." I want to know how a candidate can say time and time again how she will be ready on day one and yet failed to be be prepaired to campaign beyond February 5th. I want to media to have the anatomy to ask her why and not allow her wiggle away from a direct answer. I want someone to hold the front runners feet to the fire and have him give a substinative answer to how he could expose his innocent children to the likes of Rev. Wright if he doesn't have some amount of buy in to the doctrine. I could go on for pages about this sorta stuff! But mostly I want my fellow American's to get up off the couch, put the dorito's down and participate in their own lives. No amount of hand out's or programs are going to bring about these monumental changes until "We the people" take our live's back and bring about these changes as individuals for ourselves. The people of this nation made it great not the freaking government. If my understanding of history is correct the Federal Government was designed to make some senseable laws and uphold them, build and maintain some roads and maintain the military to keep us safe, not wipe our sorry little hiney's. This country with all it's imperfections is perfect for me. It is my greatest hope that we each realize that what our country is to become lies within the hearts and minds of each and everyone of us. What are you going to do today to make your life better and possibly the life of another just a little brighter? I won't blow smoke up your skirt, or shorts and tell you what it is that I will do to achieve this goal but what I will say is, "I will start my day for asking for guidance and I will end my day by saying thank you," and I will do my best not to be an sphincter during the hours in between. The End!

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queenpinnana — Tue, 27 May 2008 00:16:57 GMT

ANYONE SEE THAT OLD BURT REYNOLDS MOVIE CALLED DELIVERANCE WHERE HE AND JOHN VOIGHT AND THOSE OTHER GUYS GO CANOEING DOWN THAT RIVER? EVERYTIME THEY TALK ABOUT THE POOR WORKING CLASS IN STATES LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, OR MENTION APPALACHIA, I PICTURE THAT RETARDED KID IN THE TREE PLAYING THE BANJO!!! I AM REALLY WONDERING WHY THESE PEOPLE DETEST OBAMA SO MUCH, AND ARE ENAMOURED WITH THE CLINTONS. ARE THESE PEOPLE REALLY THAT "BACKWARD" WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS, AND BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE CLINTONS MOUTHS? ARE THEY SO ILLITERATE...OR SHOULD I SAY UNEDUCATED THAT THEY CONDONE HILLARY'S LIES AND CAN'T SEE THAT THEY WERE REALLY LIES? I AM TOTALLY AMAZED BY THE BLINDNESS OF SOME PEOPLE AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE AREA THEY LIVE IN OR IF THEY ARE UNEDUCATED. GEESH, A 5 YEAR OLD RECOGNIZES A LIE IF HE UNDERSTANDS THE SITUATION. IT LEAVES ME BELIEVING THAT THESE FOLKS AREN'T REALLY THAT DENSE, BUT RACISTS INSTEAD. IT HAS BEEN PART OF THEIR CULTURE FOR SO LONG, AND THEY LIKE IT. THEY DON'T WANT CHANGE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT AVE TO GIVE UP THEIR HATERED. THIS ELECTION HAS SICKENED ME LIKE NO OTHER, AND I DOUBT IF I WILL EVER VOTE AGAIN.

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jpooch00 — Wed, 28 May 2008 09:41:01 GMT

queenpinnana,

The answer to all of your questions is obviously, in a word, yes! What other explanation fits? It's kinda discouraging to realize that the most uneducated, backward and ignorant people are actually reaponsible for electing democratic party presidents.

re: The Electability Mirage

DirtySquishi — Thu, 29 May 2008 01:11:17 GMT

Just because someone does not agree with your opinion does not make them racist or uneducated. Maybe you should look in the mirror for it is often said that which we claim to be intollerant of in others actually lies within ourselves. One of the founding freedoms of our nation is the ability to speak freely, so here goes. Any one out there who does not believe that politics is a business is living in a dream world. The stakes here instead of being played out in a board room are played to the media and every canidate will say what ever he or she thinks will get them the votes needed to gain that bit of power that comes with the position they are running for. The devil is not jsut in the details it is in what they don't say also. Obama has a powerful message, one that plays well in headlines but when it comes to just how he is going to pay for the progreams he is proposing such as mandatory healthcare for children we have the typical political double speak which says a lot and tells you nothing. He wants to start a new program based on what our elected representatives recieve for,trust me FREE to them health care benefits, which is a nice idea but where is the funding going to come from. Additionally this was a great idea the first time around when it was proposed by Elenore Roosevelt but she at least outlined how it would be paid for. As did Hillary during her husbands first term in office when she proposed a national healthcare plan for all Americans that would have sharply curtailed the financial benfit to the HMO's and insurance industry had we the courage to have forced action when either of these programs were proposed. So,where is he going to cut funding to pay for this program, from the military who truly desreves the benefits they recieve. Whether or not you agree with thier function the fact is that each and every armed forces service member and their families understands that they may be called on to give their lives for our protection and the very freedoms that we here at home often take for granted. Will there be a pay freeze for government workers, will he stop elected representatives from recieving a pay raise everytime we raise the benefits payed out through social security? Will he raise income taxes placing an even heavier burden on those that are having a hard time living paycheck to pay check already? Will he repeal the overly abundant NAFTA benefits recieved by those American corporations that have shut down manufacturing plants all over the US and moved their business to third world countries? Business as tax payers we subsidise by helping to pay for their relocation costs and additonal tax and import tariff decreases.Obama is very new to, and quite naieve about the world politics game. So new that he may not realize that all of those super delegates and companies that are "helping" him now are most definately going to expect some type of reciprocal payback if he is elected, without their continued support he won't get squat accomplished. Hilary has at the least more experience navigating the mine filed of Washington politics, she has shown that she understands the value of personal commitment and personal responsibility. I am not saying she is perfect,I personally would have baet Bill's ass when the Monica Lewinsky affair came out, but she handled herself with class and made a choice to remain commited to her marriage which by the way was none of our business. Additionally I am really getting tired of hearing all of these people screaming racist simply because someone regardless of their color does not agree with their extremist views. I didn't capture you and sell you to a slave trader, I didn't bring you across the ocean to be sold as forced labor, and I have never judged you or thought less of you because your skin color was different than mine,I would appriciate the same common courtesy. If I as a woman can get over being thought of as not having a soul because I wasn't born with a penis, or that I was not able to vote becuase I bled once a month, or that I should not have control of my own body and chose if and when I have children, or that I am less of a mother becuse I chose to work outside of the home. And my personal favorite that because I may have children and therefore may stay home when my children are sick that I deserve to be paid less than a man regardless of his color. Well then I think you can get over what happened a hundered years before you were born. I am not saying that there are not prejudices today there are on all sides of the race, ehtnic, gender or sexual orientation side. It is only by allowing those prejudices to shape us that we hurt ourselves and have no one to blame but ourselves.

re: The Electability Mirage

RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:45:05 GMT

Dirtysquishi- I agree with you. Calling people who do not support Obama racists is a poort tactic by the Obama supporters to try and strong-arm people to their side. They say "You don't support Obama? then you must be a racist or uneducated." Is it a crime to just not believe the words he says and to maybe just not care for the guy? No. I don't think so.

These Obama supporters really have no tact, attacking the people they should try to be persuading to come to their side, in the end, it is going to backfire and Obama will lose the general election anyway. So as someone who's on McCain's side, I say keep it up, keep ticking people off, because they will FLOCK to McCain and be happy to vote for him just to shut you guys up.

SO anyone who wants to attack me, go ahead, remind me again why I will not vote for Obama.

re: The Electability Mirage

daddyo159 — Fri, 30 May 2008 18:59:36 GMT

Comment: Democrat vs Republican: ( I love this story)

A Father/Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of 'the redistribution of wealth.'

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She did not even have time for a boyfriend, and did not really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?'

She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.'

Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.'

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That wouldn't be fair! I have worked hard for my grades! I have invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!'

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'welcome to the Republican Party.???

re: The Electability Mirage

daddyo159 — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:22:59 GMT

Comment: Here are the facts for all to see and read..anyone who thinks rationally can only conclude that Obama is a phoney and a Liar !

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita, Kansas.

Moderate Muslims can no longer tolerate Obama. He and his wife are haters for his wife to say that this country is no good and this country has never been good to her. Obama should denounce his Pastor Jeremiah Wright, who has connections with Louis Farrakhan, along with him being friends with that underground guy William Ayres who he says is his friend after he bombed the Pentagon in1972, he received money from William Ayres, and this guy is way worse than Mark Rich.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.

He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. The terrorists that crashed into the Twin Towers were once all enrolled in the study of Wahabism..just as Obama was!!

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected Presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs) Obama also refuses to pledge allegiance to the USA flag.

How can someone who wants to be President refuse to commit to the USA? Before you vote for any candidate, remember how many people are disgusted with Obama???s autobiography!!!!

Voters be cautious in this crucial election that means so much to the USA and the free world.

re: The Electability Mirage

rangerjoe — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:41:53 GMT

You’re a liar. The Black Muslims were founded in the United Sates and is an American religion. Senator Obama’s father was not a Black Muslim.

re: The Electability Mirage

killik — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:14:24 GMT

The GOP Machinery shines at its best !

They are trying to create an atmosphere of utter irreconcilable feelings in the Democratic Party.

Try to make believe that the Democratic electoral process was biased and a complete fraud.

Try to push Hillary supporters into encouraging her to go Independent, so she can become the new Ralp Nader and R.I.P her political career and the Democratic Party and leave a pathetic legacy behind her.

Try to make believe that Hillary's brilliant speech ( the best I've heard from her so far ! ) was pedestrian, unfulfilling and insincere,

Try to make believe that Obama is a muslim. Then they citizise him for belonging to a Catholic Church for 20 yrs only by some stupid remarks that the pastor said, and they completely disregard all the benefits that this Church has brought to its Community.

Try to make believe that the determination and passion that we all saw in this most beautiful Primaries we have all witnessed, are going to be the fuel that will consume the Democrats into ashes.

Seems to be that senior women and white working class men, and still some undecided voters are the target.

If Bush has fulfilled all or most of their expectation... no doubt, they should vote for MnCain !!!

re: The Electability Mirage

HungLo — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:11:07 GMT

Help elect Hussein!!! Change!..."I've never been proud of my country"-his wife...."God Damn America"-his pastor....snorted cocaine....Muslim....friend with Bill Ayers (terrorist that bombed the pentagon)....whitey remark...."Americans are bitter"...... Oh he will bring change alright lol

re: The Electability Mirage

HungLo — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:11:11 GMT

re: The Electability Mirage

Jack999 — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:15:22 GMT

Hillary Supporters beware and rememeber the wolf's clothing Republican!!!!

John MCCain and his dog pack Republican impreached BILL CLINTON out of Oval office,for Monica lewisky scandal,Even Republican party Knows John MCCain scandal during his Military serivce in Vietnam to and fro from his base doing his sinful Bigamy affairs being allowed with Military Blessing ???cheat his first Wife...Just because at that time his Father incharge and Admiral right????/Now You Republican nominate him as Candidate??? what a Hypocrites Bunch!!!!!!

If US has a PRESIDENT of this magnitude appeals WOW !!!!!!really AMAZING real Talented never in AMERICAN history before,Im really PROUD to be American Again,,he's Zionist, Muslim, Christian, Black, White,Buddist,Hindu,Bengali,African,Red-Indian,Chinese,Japanese,Hawaiian,..........WOW this all are an ASSETS smart Americans can be proud of,only the FOOL and STUPID can treats this as LIABILITY that look exactly like themselves.

Barack Obama would actually be much better for America security. There's no doubt to me McCain would be better than Bush, the Bush years being probably as much about fueling terrorism than fighting it. But McCain would still represent (but less) what can be seen as America's arrogance, something that makes USA so unpopular around the world. A black man with Hussein as a middle name would send a clear message in Middle East that America is about freedom, an important contrast with some form of imperialism. Combined with Obama intelligence about understanding dialogging with enemies, I humbly think this would affect directly terrorism recruiting. I may sound over-optimistic, but I think his image alone as a president could do more for democracy in Middle East than any war.

This Economy common sense!! yet many Americans have difficulties to understand the basic of their existence in first place.Check out the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18 and 19). Take a look at Romans 1:22-32. Pretty sobering reading - if you are not too self-important and arrogant to think you've already got it all figured out and don't need the input of the Ancient of Days. Don't guess they teach Proverbs 1:7 at those Ivy League school.