Can Puerto Rico Make Clinton's Popular Vote Dreams Come True?

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dalton@ky — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:27:25 GMT

Hillary needs to go home already.......

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Text — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:14:21 GMT

Popular votes don't count in primaries and caucuses, the delegates they generate do.

And Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the GE so it's a moot issue no matter how you slice it.

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Evnev8 — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:10 GMT

What? You must be sexist Andrew for bringing up these facts. Only a sexist bigot would try to ruin the dreams of Hillary Clinton.

Count ALL the votes? Who ever heard of such a thing. Could all the votes is a figure of speech. It means count all of Florida's votes and a little over half of Michigan's.

I understand how this could be confusing, Andrew. As guys we try to win arguments with logic and by making sense. We really have no defense against someone that can fluidly change their defense without the pesky hindrance of rules and reality.

Sunday, the RBC will vote and Clinton will move the goal posts again. Quite frankly, she benefited more by not having this issue resolved.

Fighters benefit from the fight, not the resolution. Fighters benefit form conflict, not peace. When this fight is over, she will find another to fight about...

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schaunh — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:40:32 GMT

This is moot matter. If you cannnot follow this line of reasoning, you are not mathematically inclined. Do the math. Go home Bill and Hillary, or stay in Puerto Rico. I don't think the Senate wants you back. Write a book, start a charter school, everybody is starting a school.

Obama and his people read with Rule Book and made the 'smaller states' matter. A President for all the people, not some of the people. Obama!

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David mulenex — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:45:18 GMT

Too much sanity, not enough magic Clinton dust for Hillaryland. I hope that her most serious supporters, not the moon struck ones, begin to realize that the stakes for the country are too high to be shrill for hill after next week, and that McCain's s judicial agenda--how to you tell a right wing judge is driving? he/she is always driving in circles-- should be enough to sober up tthe rest, who have become intoxicated with the junior Senator from New York, to the point of threatening to desert their own best interests if Hillary doesn't fish victory from the fire. No, you shouldn't, but yes you can.

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Hemersam — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:03:51 GMT

Romano, your claim that Puerto Rico folks aren't very interested in the primary on Sunday is in total contrast to what I've been seeing from TV reporters. They say the crowds coming to see Hillary and Bill are "huge," to quote one reporter. But then, your slobbering promotion of Obama would lead one to expect that from you. I can't wait to see who you blame in November when O loses, as he will.

Hemersam

Garland, Texas

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jackie o. — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:18:17 GMT

As a disenfranchised Michigan voter, I resent any suggestion that the Michigan primary votes should be counted. Those of us who did not wish to vote for Hillary were not given an opportunity to vote, and therefore our votes could not be cast nor counted in the popular vote or in the delegate allotment. So any suggestion that not counting the votes that were cast in my state is undemocratic ignores the fact that there was no mechanism for Obama supporters' votes to be counted, which is also undemocratic. To count the votes cast for Hillary is both biased and indefensible unless or until those of us who wished to vote for Obama are allowed to have a voice in the primary race. If some of us had no mechanism for voting for our chosen candidate, then none of the primary votes should count. To count them is ELITISM.

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richards@dalesplace.net — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:28:28 GMT

Its time for Senator Clinton and her supports (rebellionists) to bow out gracefully. If Seenator Clinton persists in her quest to be nominated, she will alienate blacks and others that have previously voted for her during the primary. If she wants to united america, then she must bow out quietly and assist Senatort Obama to unite americas under the banner of hope.

Sincerely,

Richard Sampson

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votenic — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:34:30 GMT

All of the candidates have definitely played a hardball game. It seems to me that all of them still have a pretty fair shot (except Ron Paul:). I found this presidential election poll that I think might help all of you. The results from this poll are pretty interesting.

http://www.votenic.com

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jackie o. — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:43:08 GMT

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c87brown — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:45:13 GMT

For me Sen. Clinton has taken her fight to far. If she really cared about Florida and Michigan voters she would have fought this hard when they were first told that their votes would not be counted. Now that she thinks she needs them now their votes matter to her. I, for one, don't like to be used, I hope the votes of Florida and Michigan can see that the Clinton's are simply using them. Clinton did the same thing with the gas-tax-holiday. She played on the emotions of voters to get their vote and now you don't hear anything about a gas-tax-holiday. If she really cared about us poor suffering American at the gas pumps she would still be fighting for it to happen. You would think? She will use you and when she is done or don't see you or your state as giving her an advantage she will toss you to the side. Florida, Michigan, and the remaining states having primeries such as: Montana, South Dakota, and Puerto Rico, mark my words if you can't help her win you and your vote means nothing to her. She is already on record both written and audio concerning Michigan and Florida, agreeing that because they broke the rules their state primaries would not count. Think of it this way, if she kicked you to the curb once she will do it again. At least Sen. Obama is turthful and will not play games with you just to get your vote. Just as he did with the so called gas-tax-holiday. Just keep it real!!!!!

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patattn2me — Fri, 30 May 2008 17:52:31 GMT

I think there is one thing that we have to consider when we are thinking about Hilliary's chances of winning the nomination. 1) IT'S THE DELEGATE COUNT STUPID ! ! ! Now that we have this little fact out of the way we can discuss another position for Hilliary. 2) DON'T MENTION TO A PERSON YOU WISH TO BE THE VEEP FOR THAT IF THEY GET KILLED, YOU WILL BE THERE TO PICK UP THE PIECES ! ! ! Now that these positions are out of the question, let's talk reality. Senator Clinton,.....Chief Justice Clinton,.....Secretary of State,....Maybe....Maybe not. We'll see.

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wheresclair — Fri, 30 May 2008 18:34:35 GMT

She did not have the vision to run an effective campaign.

She did not have the skills to properly manage either her campaign finances or strategy.

She does not have the commitment of the large majority of pledged delegates to the convention.

She has become a divisive figure, now at the highest levels of the party.

The party may seek to circumvent the will of the people, but this WILL destroy the party.

MORE DELEGATES.

MORE VOTES.

MORE STATES.

PLAYS BY THE RULES.

DOESN'T WANT TO OBLITERATE ANYONE.

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wheresclair — Fri, 30 May 2008 18:42:31 GMT

I'm a white woman and I'm outraged at Senator Clinton's "kitchen sink" tactics! She's used ANYTHING that will give her an advantage! FEAR and EMOTION are her tools!! Anyone remember the "3 AM" campaign ad?! She's used NAFTA, Race, disenfranchised voters, and more recently she purports GENDER bashing! She's riled up those afraid of NAFTA, those who are racist (and many who don't realize they are) , she's made the people of Michigan and Florida feel like they're being picked on, she's got everyone fighting everyone and now she's stirred up all of woman-kind in the battle against sexism. She's offering a cabinet position to Native Americans and the right to vote in the general election to Puerto Ricans. Pander, Pander! We're ALL being PLAYED by her! ALL SHE WANTS IS THE PRESIDENCY!

Those that argue (using Clinton's talking points!) that "ONLY Clinton" can win the "right" states to beat McCain haven't been paying attention to the most incredible grassroots political movement in history. Obama's gotten more people registered to vote, excited more people about the potential of our future, has raised more money, has put more people on the ground, and been more organized, smarter and thoughtful than any presidential candidate has ever been. All those polls you see now WILL be different come the Fall! The politics of the past...the "normal" voting patterns will be different this November and the reason is Obama!

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on pins — Fri, 30 May 2008 18:55:52 GMT

I am a 56 year old woman who thinks that Hillary is totally dilusional. Even if she did (which I strongly doubt) get the popular vote....so what....it doesn't count!!! Duh! The delegates has been...is...and will be the ONLY way of winning the election. Period! So shut up already about the popular vote!!

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GoHillary2008 — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:32:55 GMT

I am a 47 year old woman and I think Hillary should take it all the way. All of the Obama supporters should take a step back and take a look at his ever growing EGO!!!!! EGO will not get the JOB DONE so think about what you are saying about Hillary.

Obama DOES NOT HAVE ANY INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama CONTINUALLY CHANGES HIS SO CALLED TRUTH??????????????

Obama HAS SAID HE WILL SPEAK WITH TERRORIST COUNTRIES I.E. IRAN THE LAST TIME I CHECKED WE THE USA DO NOT DEAL W/TERRORIST OR TERRORIST COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama's main supporter OPRAH just said on her talk show last week EGO is a form of RELIGION!!!

Obama's EGO IS OUT OF CONTROL - HE IS NO JOHN FIZGERALD KENNEDY AND NEVER WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So lets all just take a brake and get Obama's truth in focus - HE IS SIMPLY NO PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL FACE IT..............

I SAY IT'S HILLARY ALL THE WAY OUR COUNTRY NEEDS A WOMAN PRESIDENT AS THE MEN JUST CAN'T SEEM TO HACK IT..............................

HILLARY 2008 ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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daddyo159 — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:37:39 GMT

Comment: Here are the facts for all to see and read..anyone who thinks rationally can only conclude that Obama is a phoney and a Liar !

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita, Kansas.

Moderate Muslims can no longer tolerate Obama. He and his wife are haters for his wife to say that this country is no good and this country has never been good to her. Obama should denounce his Pastor Jeremiah Wright, who has connections with Louis Farrakhan, along with him being friends with that underground guy William Ayres who he says is his friend after he bombed the Pentagon in1972, he received money from William Ayres, and this guy is way worse than Mark Rich.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.

He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. The terrorists that crashed into the Twin Towers were once all enrolled in the study of Wahabism..just as Obama was!!

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected Presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs) Obama also refuses to pledge allegiance to the USA flag.

How can someone who wants to be President refuse to commit to the USA? Before you vote for any candidate, remember how many people are disgusted with Obama???s autobiography!!!!

Voters be cautious in this crucial election that means so much to the USA and the free world.

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toribeth — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:41:40 GMT

I am a white female in my 40's and I too am so tired of the politics of Hill/Bill....as I have heard quoted before and believe wholeheartedly, they live one step ahead of a grand jury...they are more into power than helping anyone else....they are well on their way to splitting the Dem party for their own gain....I continue to be amazed at the amount of votes Hillary gets.....are blue collar and women voters really that dumb? I hope not.

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wheresclair — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:33 GMT

Your comments are totally subjective. I don't believe you are willing to step outside of your "emotion" box and see that reality is not where you are! Tell me one thing I've posted below that is incorrect or not a fact of public record? (and prove it with a reputable source.) You talk of EGO? Look objectively at the Clintons! You and many other Clinton supporters seem to be living vicariously through Clinton's ungrounded defiance of the rules she agreed to up front. I know you won't answer with anything reasonable, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering.

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daddyo159 — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:49:51 GMT

I WISH THE DEMOCRATES WOULD MAKE UP THIER MIND AND STAND BEHIND A CANIDATE SO I KNOW WHO I'M VOTING AGAINST IN NOVEMBER !!!!!!

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wheresclair — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:50:43 GMT

My apologies for the re-post but I left off the "to:"

To: GoHillary2008

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daddyo159 — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:50:56 GMT

I WISH THE DEMOCRATES WOULD MAKE UP THIER MIND AND STAND BEHIND A CANIDATE SO I KNOW WHO I'M VOTING AGAINST IN NOVEMBER !!!!!!

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mobaxter — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:51:40 GMT

Vote Obama, stop the hate and race comment now. We are all American. Hillary Clinton speaks with fork tongue.

Florida and Michigan votes not count or we should have a do over.

VOTE OBAMA

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Floridagal — Fri, 30 May 2008 19:56:21 GMT

Bottom line - I don't trust politicians. Obama is the first politician that I believe would make decisions because they are the right thing to do and not because they are politically motivated or motivated by short term goals. Until we start making ethical decisions we will always have long term ill effects. The only way to gave long term stable prosperity and harmony is to follow ethical guidelines.

When Clinton makes it appeart hat every state is her state and she is going to specifically go to the white house to help them...I am tired of false promises.

I hope we as a country can move to making decisions that focus on the decates to come.

Clinton is more experiences, I just don't trust her motives.

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lrpr1 — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:08:58 GMT

Why they don't care to vote? Because Puerto Rico is a nation! (non sovereign but still a nation by all sociological/political standards) Spanish speaking, latin american and catholic. Puerto Rico belongs to the latin american family of nations and acts and behaves like one because it is one. The US press is not covering the opposition to this primary in Puerto Rico (independence supporters, nationalists and the center left wing of the ruling party are going to held a protest march that day along with a boycott) that is why many here in america are surprised with the yawns this primary is causing over there.

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J.Richter — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:29:33 GMT

Is this an example of substance abuse in Puerto Rico by a candidate?

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24885309/

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phillydog — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:34:22 GMT

If Obama were to upset Clinton in Puerto Rico, witch is unlikly, I wonder if the arguement will begin to disallow their votes because they are not Americans. I just don't see how Clinton, or her primary think tank can agree to something, sign that agreement and then posture to change the rules afterward, because the vote did not turn out like they wanted. Whan does that say about her credibility Do the right thing Hillary, bow out gracefully.

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ejh7 — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:39:36 GMT

The main problem with Puerto Rican elections is the lack of interaction between the U.S. government and the Puerto Rican people. This is due to the fact that inner politics are the governing force in the island’s political decisions. Like any other state, Puerto Rico (a commonwealth) needs to develop a strategic plan to better educate the people in the island. Puerto Ricans from the island are I little different from Puerto Ricans born or raised in the continental United States, because they generally are only concerned with what’s going on in their environment (the island). What most don’t realize is that by being part of the U.S. we are also affected by decisions made by the U.S. government.

As a Puerto Rican who was born and raised in the island, as well as a U.S. military veteran, I feel that the Puerto Rican government needs to start educating the people and stress the importance of our relationship with the United States. Voting for the President or not, this democratic primary is just a good example of how important this U.S. territory (Puerto Rico) is to the development of our great nation.

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GoHillary2008 — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:43:23 GMT

Dear wheresclair-

First my comments are not based on emotion thay are based on the FACTS. It seems you are on the SHORT END OF THE FACTS. Looks like daddy0159 posted your Obama's truth you might want to take a look at them. The post is long but RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

I too agree that politicians are hard to trust INCLUDING THE EGO OBAMA!

There is NO WAY Obama will beat McCain and this country as wonderful as it is will endear another Rep/Pres OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May I ask who you voted for in the last 2 Presidential elections?

Also in every election the candidates do anything to become President WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

Just because more voters have taken part in the run for the Democratic Nominee DOES NOT MEAN OBAMA IS THE CATILIST............

This election is extremely important and yes any Democrat knows delegates vs votes????????

Hillary is no saint and neither is OBAMA so maybe you should come down from the clouds and back to earth.

GO HILLARY 2008

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Juan A — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:58 GMT

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The truth hurts — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:45:09 GMT

Are Puerto Ricans,"good Americans,hard working, white americans".? You know the kind that Clinton prefers.

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Juan A — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:48:04 GMT

Hillary i s just USING the Puerto Rican people fo rvotes!

She could care less about the island!.. Who is she kidding!

She will drop them as fast as she dropped that "gas-tax holiday" right afdter the Indiana primary.. Remember that? How she pushed it for a week in Indiana.. and then when the primary was over in IN.. she NEVER MENTIONED IT AGAIN!....

She will say and do ANYTHING to get the nomination.

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GoHillary2008 — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:48:26 GMT

Reply - The truth hurts

Are you a Clinton supporter or Obama?

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J.Richter — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:05:13 GMT

The polls recently only reflect the fact that both Clinton and McCain are currently running against Obama and nobody is virtually running against Clinton (even calls to drop out have all but ceased).

Otherwise she'll now be bottom of the polls.

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Juan A — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:05:38 GMT

Puerto Rico's popular vote doesn't mean anything.

Why?.. because we have much bigger problems....

Obama will win the Democratic nomination, but I truly believe (sadly) that he will not win the General.

When this is all said and done.. the truth will come out. No.. not that Obama is a Hamas member. Not that he is part of the Weather Underground. Not that he is a Muslim.

But… ready for this…. America, at it’s core, is still a racist country.

Obama’s nod as the Democratic nominee will help loosen the racist grip that unfortunately a large portion (larger than we care to admit) of white Americans still have in this country. I know that sounds like a horrible thing to say, but there is some things that are just true and difficult to explain.

White people just can’t understand what it feels like to live and grow up in this country as an Indian, a Hispanic, an Oriental, anything else… and especially a Black person.

White people are the only people in this country that truly feel “they belong” here.

That feeling of “belonging” that translates into “pride” is also known as “patriotism”.

Patriotism is the key to this country’s future. Until we as a nation of many races feel patriotism as one, the racial divide will hold.

…Do you remember the few days after 9/11… when we watched TV, we all cried together.. We were all equally angry.. We all hung the American flag in our windows, at home, in our cars… we all wore flag pins… remember that… THAT is patriotism… For a few days we stud together as one.

The dusty gray images of the people running away from the World Trade Center collapse was a reminder that we are all human. That we are all brothers and sisters in life.

As the people walked the streets of NY covered in that white/gray dust… the only obvious color that was noticeable was the color red. The blood that ran down from the peoples head and faces.

The blood trickles that simulated tears on the people’s faces is something that I will never forget.

The fact that the only way we can ALL feel that patriotism is thru tragedy, is a sad statement to be said about this country.

This election will come and go. McCain will win..

But just know that you really didn’t have to call Obama a terrorist.. you didn’t have to imply that he was a Hamas sympathizer.. you didn’t have to imply that he was a Muslim to instill fear. You didn’t have to imply that he was an Undercover black radical. You could have just beat him up on his policies… just like you would have done to any other “white” candidate.

The political lynching that awaits Obama in the general election will be a reminder to all minorities as to “who’s in charge here”.

…Can you imagine the news headlines.. if Obama was caught having breakfast with the Bin Laden family.

Or if a close relationship between the Obama family and the Saudi Royal family was revealed???…. These are things that are absolutely true about the Bush family… but no one calls them terrorist.

After the entire nations flight system was completely shut down on 9/11… only ONE plane in the entire country was allowed to leave. The Bin Laden family plane.

America likes to throw racial stones while living in a glass house… One day… the people will throw back…

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J.Richter — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:05:53 GMT

In public and private, all over this nation - contests happen everyday. Everyone pre-agrees to the rules and the contest starts. Everyone has the opportunity to complain to, seek modification, or agree to those rules at that point. At the end, the winner is declared based on the rules. The fairness of the rules may then be evaluated or revisited in case of the future.

It is a disservice to women that they are seen litigating an obviously agreed to rule which Hillary defended in January and which her campaign manager helped write. Not only is it silly to revisit the rules now but it is impossible to do so fairly (how can any woman say that BO should get no votes in MI because he willingly took off his name!). Was the argument not about fairness or not dissenfranchising voters or capturing the will of the people? What about caucus states not counted or the fact that even when ocunted their totals will not give a true reflection of popular vote? Now we have arguments on popular vote, states which were declared in violation, caucuses being unfair, media being unfair, superdelegates being unfar, sexism in the party, etc, etc.. even though all those rules were in favor of the known brand and leader as early as Jan 2008!

What's wrong with men and women of repute having the decency to stick to the rules!

This is a country founded on rule and law (this is one of the biggest differences perceived by men and some women we consider emotional - we tend to be more dogged sticklers to the rules no matter how we see its perfection as an aftertought because anything else only leads to chaos and there are hardly any perfect set of rules for most undertakings)

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hillaryforpresident!!! — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:14:17 GMT

Another perspective, since this immature supposed "journalist" is not capable of reporting BALANCED NEWS:

The claim that she is winning the popular vote is true and she is using this argument to support her claim of having better electability compared to Obama, which is a perfectly legitimate and in many peoples opinion, true and reasonable claim. One has to remember: the ultimate goal is to get a democrat in office. From what I've seen, now that people know about Obama's skelatons, they have big time buyers remorse. In addition, Obama, according to the media anyway, has supposedly sealed the nomination yet Hillary is still winning states by over 35% margins. Sounds to me that if Obama is the dem nominee, we (democrats) will be looking at a pretty embarrasing showing once again in the General Election, but hey, i'm sure the media will just continue to use Hillary as their scapegoat just like they always do!

Young, naive Romano, are you even old enough to vote btw??? I think you and the rest of the media need to take a lesson from your elders in personal responsibility!!!

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cuyaponueva — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:25:48 GMT

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Subject: A Black Columnist on Obama

Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.

We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.

The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.

Because the truth is th at Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."

Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.

Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francis co values, not Middle America values.

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:

The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA??

I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.

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SDakPerspective — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:30:09 GMT

The only problem with Romano's analysis above is that South Dakota won't be backing Obama at the polls this Tuesday. Though six weeks ago Obama had a double digit lead it looks as if South Dakota will break soundly for Hillary, sending a message to the Democratic powers of the state (Sen. Tim Johnson, Rep. Stephanie Herseth, Ret. Sen Tom Daschle, as well as all the big brass) that they had best rethink their superdelegate votes. If word and mood is right I am guessing Hillary beats Obama by 10% in a state where Obama has the endorsement of everyone. So my question is: If Obama is the presumptive nominee why are so many people still taking their vote seriously and voting against him at the polls lately?

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kmcflash — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:37:45 GMT

So Mr.Obama has 'another minister problem' ... it amazes me that the "well-educated, upper

class" supporters of Obama just can't seem to figure out is that these problems crop up

because of Obama's core tenet: he is a Liberation Theologist. The 'problems' of Obama's

ministers are actually no problem at all, they are a convenience for Obama simpley

because he can 'distance' himself from them ... you end up looking at the Ministers instead

of looking at Obama, and that is a real relief for Obama, having everyone look in the

wrong place. Look directly at Obama and discover the person at the core, if you can

do that, your groupie mentality will give way to reality ... but you won't look, you are

too intellectual ..so the Republicans will do that for you, they are at-the-ready to vet

your candidate, looking foreword to it and thanking you for not doing it now. Lets

go groupies, "Obama's comming, Obama's comming" "just believe, just believe !"

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carrillo6807 — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:22:20 GMT

TO BE SO YOUNG, IS UNBELIEVABLE, HOW CHAUVINISTIC, PREJUDICED AND MYSOGYINIC MR ROMANO CAN SOUND. EVERY WORD, EVERY COMA, SENTENCE, PARAGRAPH IN EVERY ARTICLE THAT HE HAS WRITTEN ON HILLARY CAN HARDLY DISGUISE HIS CONTEMPT TOWARDS WOMEN.

I HOPE HILLARY TAKES HER FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION SO SHE CAN KEEP FEEDING THAT BAD BLOOD FROM PEOPLE LIKE MR. ROMANO.

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carrillo6807 — Fri, 30 May 2008 23:18:26 GMT

I HOPE HILLARY TAKES HER FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION SO SHE CAN KEEP FEEDING THAT BAD BLOOD FROM PEOPLE LIKE MR. ROMANO.

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wheresclair — Sat, 31 May 2008 00:14:03 GMT

A MUST watch for those interested in the DNC's Rules Committee meeting!

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZAu39I5QOUc

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repaite@msn.com — Sat, 31 May 2008 00:15:31 GMT

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› Raise your hand for Obama!

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repaite@msn.com — Sat, 31 May 2008 00:17:39 GMT

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› Raise your hand for Obama!

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Nia4732 — Sat, 31 May 2008 00:29:44 GMT

It's over, there are a huge number of sensible, sane, good superdelegates and delegates in the DNC, and NONE of them will EVER let Clinton ruin Obama's chances in November, Clinton will be OUT next Tuesday, and these sane, sensible, good Super and regular delegates care about Americans and the Democratic Party policies, more than they care about Clinton's ego.

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wheresclair — Sat, 31 May 2008 01:24:52 GMT

To: GoHillary2008

Yes, daddyo159 's post was long but was TOTAL fabrication. Daddyo159 's "FACTS" are right out of daddyo159 's head. They are twisted

statements that cannot be substantiated - go ahead, prove even one of them with a reputable source! Just because daddyo159 says what

YOU "want to hear" doesn't make him a reputable source! Maybe you don't THINK your comments are based on EMOTION, but they sure aren't

based on facts! And maybe you're not living vicariously through Clinton's ungrounded defiance of the rules she agreed to up front but

it sure SEEMS like it! See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg

If you bothered looking things up from reputable sources, you'd be better informed - but I guess the truth is never as exciting as

slander - thus the reason why supermarket tabloids sell so well!

Here's a nice unbiased source you can read about all the candidates - it's a place to start - read carefully, you might learn something

good about all of them if you'll open your mind a little!

Obama Biography http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=12782369&page=print

Clinton Biography http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9251306&page=print

McCain Biography http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9542249&page=print

Who did I vote for in the last 2 Presidential elections?

I voted for Al Gore both in the primary and in the general election and the same for John Kerry in 2004. Too bad we had to endure 8

years of GWB! I hope you were not "fear mongered" into voting for GWB one or both of the last elections!

***Note, this last sentence is only MY opinion and although I THINK it's true, I haven't looked for sources to substantiate it.

You are right that Hillary is no saint - there has never in modern history been a candidate as divisive and destructive to the

democratic process as HRC. She knows the rules, but hates losing so much that she's willing to do anything including destroy the party

and potentially blow the general election to get her way. See: http://www.youtube.com/v/ZAu39I5QOUc

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chindognyc — Sat, 31 May 2008 01:49:50 GMT

Hillary is such a fake. There is no way she can win. Now way the DNC can seat all of the Delegates. They broke the rules and they do have to be penalized. What is up with a white priest talking bad about a white woman. Thank God he is not Obama's pastor. He is Rev. Wright's friend. All of this hate is right up some of you Hillary supporters ally. Just when a crazy priest comes out, here comes Geraldine with her crazy self doing what she does best, tallk. And she is talking crap big time.

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susangg — Sat, 31 May 2008 01:55:36 GMT

We have spent seven years enduring a president who has no respect for the rule of law, the constitutioin, or international treaty obligations. Getting what HE wants - rules be damned - is what counts.

Enter Hillary, who also believes that rules that apply to the rest of the world should not necessarily apply to her. The primary-calendaring rules agreed to by all - including HER representatives were fine, until she started losing. How, all of a sudden: Rules be damned because they keep her from getting what SHE wants.

Does anybody think that she will let the rules bother her, if elected president? Does anybody think that she would hesitate for one minute to do things that violate laws, the constitution, and treaties, if it means getting what SHE wants?

Will we trade one Imperial Presidency for another? Is that what the American people want/ ?

I don't think so. And the superdelegates know it. Which is why Barack Obama will be our nominee.

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chindognyc — Sat, 31 May 2008 01:57:32 GMT

Obama will win, we will unite behind him and we will have a Democrat in the White House. God Bless America.

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mw_lovelace — Sat, 31 May 2008 03:10:54 GMT

First Hillary has received more votes than anyone including BO. Second DNC rules state that only the delgates can be taken away from the states (not their votes so the votes do count!) that move their election date from the date established by the DNC (Iowa, New Hampshire, and SC moved their dates and were not penalizied so much for the "RULES"). Third BO pledged not to campaign in Florida (he broke this pledge by spending $1.3 million on TV ads in Florida, also he held a news conference outside a fundraiser both of these are against the DNC "RULES" and require the candidate to be penalized but the DNC has chosen not to penalize BO for breaking the "RULES"). Fourth BO name was on the Michigan ballot. BO took his own name off the ballot to impress the Iowa voters and he let the Michigan voters no that a vote for uncommitted was a vote for him. Fifth if you check the causus states HIllary won Nevada, loss Iowa 33% to 29%, and Washington state she lose by less than 50,000 votes, and in Maine she loss but thoses numbers were even less than Washington state. So there is no doubt Hllary won the most votes!!! The only reason that MSM, the DNC, and BO don't want you to know this is because they don't want anyone to question the nomination of BO!!! HIllary won the most votes in the DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES!!!

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mw_lovelace — Sat, 31 May 2008 03:22:48 GMT

Hillary has won more votes than BO so she should be the nominee of the Democrat Party.

P.S. Hillary does better in the swing states against McCain. McCain beat BO in FL, MI, OH, and WV. BO will lose in Nov because he has no experience, he is out of touch, and his judgement stinks!!!

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mw_lovelace — Sat, 31 May 2008 03:29:43 GMT

BO can"t unite anyone! Calling Hillary supporters racist. Then telling us we are bitter and we cling to our religion and guns because we are typical bitter white folk!!! The sound you hear is the beginning of the Landslide that will bury BO in November!!!

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baad — Sat, 31 May 2008 04:28:20 GMT

give it up hillary is toast she wont be able to steal it

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lindist — Sat, 31 May 2008 04:32:20 GMT

I don't think so. clinton does not have more popular votes than Obama. Folks need a reality check this is 2008 and being under handed will not work. how can mich be seated if Obama wasn't on the ballet? the clinton's shows their true being the world owe them this election. why? why should the world annoys truth? Have we been deceive enough? Obama walking soft not to offend clinton and every chance she get she attempts to knock him down. How could she sleep at night wanting something she didn't win, and deceiving folks she innocent and she is the better nominee.clinton will be humilated because all her bs will come to light...

thank very much

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NO OOOOOOOOO — Sat, 31 May 2008 04:43:05 GMT

It is a no-brainer...Obama is a racist!

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medwards — Sat, 31 May 2008 05:55:23 GMT

Hillary Clinton and Ex President Bill Clinton have disgraced themselves during this campaign. Each time Hillary's ratings are low, CNN and Fox news show her all day, every day, all night long right before each primary. Many viewers have noticed this slick journalism. Now, She and Bill are screaming, that she has been treaded unfairly by TV stations; accusing the TV stations of giving Obama more viewing time than her. This is skewed. Before the New England elections, CNN and Fox News played Hillary all day, every day, and all nigh long. Then they showed Obama's Grandmother all day, every day, in Africa in the hut. What was that all about? They could have shown his sister in Hawaii, or his Grandparents, This showing of Obama's Grandmother in the hut in Africa sent a subtle message to White New Englanders. And it worked. This was a shrewd move on the media's part.

In every one of Hillary elections when she is trailing Obama, and he is in the lead, the media comes on and attack Obama severely (with people who have nothing to do with Obama and some how connect him to them).

But it has been noticed no one digs up the dirt on Hillary. Her pass is perfect, and we know that is not true. Yet when she screams and whines, the Media portrays Hillary as the underdog and her ratings go up. This is my opinion of course. Is this presidential material? Of course not.

By the way who is Hillary's Pastor? And what does he preach; we have not seen him in the pulpit on the TV? Does his opinion count when it comes to Hillary?

CNN and Fox New have poor media coverage. Good coverage is one where you balance the news. If you are going to show Obama's Pastor, Show hers. If you pull out Obama's dirt, pull out hers. What is sauce for the Goose is gravy for the gander. The new media displayed Rev. Wright as the only nurturing factor in Obama life. They further displayed Rev. Wright as actually raising Obama instead of his Mother or Grandmother or Grandfather. How disrespectfully of the Media, CNN, Fox News and O Riley Factor, and Spin Zone and all the rest.

If America elects the Clinton's, America will be the laughing stock of the world. Who in their right mind will want to reelect a President and his wife after the Ex-President was impeached. Think of all that time and money spent on the investigation. America would be going backwards.

It would be nice if Shaun of Fox could get some refreshing news instead of using Obama as an escape goat and earn his pay.

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medwards — Sat, 31 May 2008 05:55:24 GMT

By the way who is Hillary's Pastor? And what does he preach; we have not seen him in the pulpit on the TV? Does his opinion count when it comes to Hillary?

It would be nice if Shaun of Fox could get some refreshing news instead of using Obama as an escape goat and earn his pay.

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ocean view — Sat, 31 May 2008 09:07:02 GMT

Thank you for your insightful comments medwards. I thought I was the only one who saw this nonsense taking place on CNN and Fox. The Clintons have used the kitchen sink strategy to attempt to trivialize Obama's victories and these two stations do their best to accomodate the infamous duo. The media has done such a disservice to this primary - The most trusted name in news and Fair & Balance - NOT!

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NO OOOOOOOOO — Sat, 31 May 2008 09:07:56 GMT

Oh my goodness...you really don't see the light, do you? Hillary hasn't been picked apart by the press, especially in the past few months??? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? You just go ahead and keep blindly following the king and see where that gets you.

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Jack999 — Sat, 31 May 2008 11:56:23 GMT

YOU ALL NEED TO READ THIS KNOWLEDGE IS POWER Interesting: Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes: - As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.) - Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.' - Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn. - Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. - Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (?Filegate?) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1996, both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years. - In order to open ?slots? in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. - Another of Hil lary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense: ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. ---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. ---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury ---- And Bill was impeached by the House. ---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath). - Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. - Hill ary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. - Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. - In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her. - Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) - As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. - Hillary's one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed. Quite a resume?. Sounds more like an organized crime family?s rap sheet. please read the following information gathered from the Library of Congress. Feel free to check these records for yourself; better still, read a little more, and try and stay current before posting assinine comments: Clinton v. Obama on Legislative Experience: Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years. These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you: 1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site. 2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month. 3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. 4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall. 5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson. 6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea. 7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death. 10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program. 13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda. 14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death. 15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11. 17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries. 19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care. 20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system. There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record. Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight months of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored

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Mariann Pepitone — Sat, 31 May 2008 12:35:22 GMT

Jack: Let me remind you that Obama was an attorney for a crooked businessman named Rezko and that's where Obama learned the tricks of the trade. He played dirty pool against the woman that was running for that senate seat he has, and will do anything underhanded if he has to to get where he wants to get. He didn't choose his friends wisely, is a full pledged racist attending a racist anti-american white hating church, close ties to Father P. who has been in trouble before and Ayers who bombed this country three times, donated money to Obama's campaign. He has a dirty background for a candidate that wants to become president of this country. What Hillary should do if she is smart, declare herself as an independent and knock him out of the presidency. Apparently you are not thinking straight. Obama would bring this country down to the ground because he doesn't have any capabilities or knowledge how to run this country. Its people like you and the 52% college students that are on drugs who would vote for a candidate like him because he is in their same category. Drugs and booze.

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Mariann Pepitone — Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:28 GMT

Chris Matthews, Russert & Shuster have been promoting Obama from the start of his campaign and making remarks about Hillary Clinton. They are the worst of the media and shuster should have been fired for his remarks. They built him up like he was some kind of god and ignored McCain and Hillary. I am hoping that if Hillary doesn't get the nomination she will be smart enough to declare herself as an independent even if it cost the democrats the white house. This is a dog eat dog campaign and she should go for the bone. Even though I am a democrat I prefer McCain to Obama the underhanded candicate who doesn't deserve to be president of this country.

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Jack999 — Sat, 31 May 2008 12:52:06 GMT

Obama Passed Into Law Legislation Requiring Lobbyists To Disclose Their Bundling Activity, Making Him Unpopular Even Among Other Democrats. Obama sponsored an amendment to require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged. The amendment was passed by unanimous consent and attached to the Senate ethics bill, which was signed into law on September 15, 2007. The New York Times wrote, "The disclosure idea's lead sponsor, Senator Barack Obama... 'has not been the most popular person in our caucus in the last couple of weeks,' said a Democratic aide involved in deliberations over the bill." [S. Amdt. 41 to S. 1, S. Amdt. 3, Submitted 1/11/07, Agreed to By Unanimous Consent, 1/18/07; S. 1, Signed into Law 9/14/07; New York Times, 1/20/07; CQ, 9/15/07] Check it yourself.!!!!!

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Jack999 — Sat, 31 May 2008 13:01:14 GMT

DENVER - Maybe it’s his background teaching constitutional law.

If elected president, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said one of the first things he wants to do is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed while Republican President George W. Bush has been in office.

Those that don’t pass muster will be overturned, he said.

(Snip)

“I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution,” said Obama

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Jack999 — Sat, 31 May 2008 13:18:24 GMT

"So she, Hillary's for them to be seated and to be seated in a fair way all the way along. She's offered to go there and run again, that was turned down. She's offered everything in the world to help them, so I think it's up to the Democratic committee to do the right thing." My God, Bill Clinton is shameless. Just in this statement alone, let's count the lies (er, misspeakings): (1) Hillary was AGAINST counting Florida and Michigan - until she realized they were her last, desperate chance to win the nomination. (2) There was a re-vote proposal in Michigan - where her backers would have paid for the primary. Public elections can't be financed with private money. Slick Willie knows this, but just won't say it, as it is an inconvenient truth for his wife. (3) "Offered everything in the world"? Really? Then why did she turn down Michigan's proposed 69-59 pledged-delegate split? Why has she turned down 50% delegate reductions in Florida and Michigan? For the same reason she didn't care about these states when the sanctions pwere passed last year, and the same reason she is now so concerned with their disenfranchisement. Because it's convenient for her. When you're talking about Hillary Clinton, it's never about the "we", and ALWAYS about the "me". She didn't give a damn about those states - until she realized she needed them to extend the nomination process and hopefully bully enough SDs to switch to her. Shameless, pathetic - and ultimately unsuccessful.

Shame on You CLINTONS!!! what about the Voters the states that they stay at Home by NOT going to the Poll station?after being told that their Votes Are not to be Counted? just becuase they're followings the Rules ? Why must you penalised Them and disfranchise these Voters ?This are all being played too well onto conspiracy of the Dirty Politicians Agenda.IF lost in game,please stop saying the rules /referees are just as bad againts you,what ever rules imply or agreed are irrevelant, when the truth you're just the lousy bad player on this game.

NOBOBY ABOVE THE RULES AND LAW

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Jack999 — Sat, 31 May 2008 13:44:06 GMT

This Campaign FULL OF LIES AND SOURGRAPE created,Now people are smarter NOT 1960 Era,when standing listening Candidates Rally and you just swallowed....Now is the year 2008,You can Acess Direct to SENATE library records or National Archives to confirm wheither you DOLL telling you Lies,if you're really sincere about the truth.Please dont collect any garbarge from internet and pass around with lies

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jerzyboy349 — Sat, 31 May 2008 14:36:27 GMT

All of Romano's columns are nothing more than a pro-Obama spin. COUNT ALL THE VOTES!

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nicsea — Sat, 31 May 2008 14:54:31 GMT

Objectively, would it be fair to fully seat Michigan and Florida seeing that they held their primaries in defiance of DNC rules?

re: Can Puerto Rico Make Clinton's Popular Vote Dreams Come True?

EBLieb — Sat, 31 May 2008 15:45:17 GMT

COUNT ALL THE VOTES! (except the ones that hurt Clinton's claim that she is leading in her messed up math) more like COUNT ALL THE VOTES THAT WE WISH YOU TO COUNT! IGNORE THE REST!

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maxtexture — Sat, 31 May 2008 15:58:43 GMT

Be certain to be fair, and count every vote cast, seating all the delegates from Florida and Michigan. The delegate count right now would be quite different if the DNC had not punished the voters in those two states had it not been for an order deposed by a Republican Legislature.

DO NOT ALLOW Barack Obama to steal the nomination away from the real winning candidate with Oprah's money and dirty Republican tricks.

Yes, She Can!!! Yes, We Will!!!!!

Hillary Rodham Clinton for President 2008!!!!!!!

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nicsea — Sat, 31 May 2008 16:15:38 GMT

The fair thing would be to adhere to the rules that the nominees initially agreed upon. It would be underhanded to change the rules midway through. Clinton and Obama did not set up the rules, but they have, however, at the onset of this contested race, formally agreed to abide by them. It would be unfair and undemocratic to disregard the party rules at this point in the process.

We should be careful of justifying wrongs with unfounded theories of right. When Obama is formally nominated he would not have stolen anything; rather, he would have fully earned the nomination. Both candidates are worthy candidates. We honor their commitments by giving both their do.

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buddy555 — Sat, 31 May 2008 17:17:07 GMT

Barack Obama, Ralph Nader and George Bush Jr have something in common: arrogance. As a lifelong Democrat I will not vote in the November election if Obama is the Democratic nominee because I refuse to contribute to putting another arrogant individual in the White House as my President. Mark my Words - Obama is running the same campaign Bush ran in 2000 and see what we end up with if he is elected - no doubt in my mind. I am also deeply offended by the racism in this election. Are you saying 90% of blacks have the same political values and beliefs - NOT. Watch my Democratic vote disappear if Clinton is not our nominee in November.

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nicsea — Sat, 31 May 2008 18:20:42 GMT

Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton believe that they are the better nominee. Self-esteem should not be confused with arrogance. An "all or nothing" mindset, however, could be construed as self-obsessed and indulgent. Barack Obama is no more arrogant than his opponent, Hillary Clinton. And, neither candidate is anything like George W. Bush.

Ninety percent of African Americans who've voted in the democratic primary election voted for Barack Obama. That is fact.

Both Clinton and Obama have agreed to support the democratic presidential nominee, no matter who she/he may be. All democrats should follow their humble leads.

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MasterBed70 — Sat, 31 May 2008 20:05:05 GMT

If we sit a Black in the white house as President of the United States..We will need to change 2 things we have learned since we started to learn a, b c and 1. 2 3. The Cardboard for practicing shootting will change from "Shoot the White" to "Shoot the Black" and we will have a Black House instead of a White house...not counting that it might be possible that the Capitol will be turned Black too... W will be suffering for 4 years until his first period ends.

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MasterBed70 — Sat, 31 May 2008 20:05:06 GMT

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nicsea — Sat, 31 May 2008 21:30:55 GMT

I honestly do not understand what you are saying. Please elaborate.

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Just Us Plz! — Sat, 31 May 2008 22:27:29 GMT

Well 90% of blacks have supported every White Democratic Nominee since the 1960's is that an issue too? Not voting for someone due to how others vote is idiocracy at its best!

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melon — Sat, 31 May 2008 23:15:20 GMT

at the end of the day hillary will win all.

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Chris Paris — Sat, 31 May 2008 23:17:29 GMT

This whole presidential candidate selection process that has been engineered by the democratic party is stunnning. Half votes, caucuses that do not include vote tallies, votes in places that are NOT states (Puerto Rico) and do NOT vote for the President of the United States, crazy counting, and a general three ring circus organization is proof that the wretched elite have manipulated the party into joke status. Even Ralph Nader looks normal compared to this.

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gilkes — Sat, 31 May 2008 23:59:34 GMT

LOL. I laugh at the prejudice in this campaign. Rules were set, Michigan nor Florida will be included. The guy basically decide not to campaign or put his name on the ballot and the DNC will give 69 delegates to Clinton and 55 to Obama in Michigan. LOL. God your will and purpose will be accomplish and if that includes Clinton winning. Bless u Clinton but if it is Obama Bless you also. But know this God's will will be achieved and TRUE JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.

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gilkes — Sat, 31 May 2008 23:59:37 GMT

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Floridian — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:33:16 GMT

I can see it now. Trash all over the front lawn. Poop piles in the rose garden, greasy door knobs , chcken bones laying on every table covered by flies. Our White House... You cant tell me if she ran as an independant she coulden beat both of them

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nicsea — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:39:43 GMT

If Hillary Clinton was to run as an independent, the likelihood of her winning the presidency would be nearly impossible.

In terms of Obama desecrating the sanctity of the White House, such unfounded and unwarranted predictions does not serve one's candidate nor does it buttress logical argument.

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Anastasiavonglantal — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:21:35 GMT

I think we should be afraid and concerned. We may not be totally happy with Hillary but she is a democrat and a patriot and an American. Every day I learn more and more about Obama; his connections and his beliefs. Here is the latest. His father was only 12, 5% black; he was 87.5% Arab, from his birth certificate. While everyone if focusing on Hillary's lies. take a look at the lies and deceit from the link below. We really need to find out all we can about this guy!

http://gto7.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/38-obama-falsehoods-the-media-ignores/

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UnionBK — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:11:45 GMT

That's absolutely ridiculous Anastasiavonglantal. I can't believe you'd make a post so ignorant. Barack Obama is a patriot and an American. I don't know where you get your genetic facts from, but there is no credible data for anything you say. I really can't stand how easily people find it to express their thinly veiled racist beliefs.

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TreborCitizen — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:10:34 GMT

Republicans I issue a challenge to you. You have run the country for eight years. If you want us to vote for you then run on your record. I dare you. Run on your record. You don't need to attack Senator Obama. Just run on your record. Are you chicken?

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TreborCitizen — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:26:40 GMT

Hillary needs to go before the American people and congratulate Senator Obama, give him credit for a great campaign and move on. Chris Dodd did, Bill Richardson did, John Edwards did, Joe Biden did. They have shown class. They know he didn't cheat them. Nor did he cheat her. After all it was both of their jobs to run hard and win. By the way the press was at times way too kind to Hillary. They could have torn into her for some of her tactics. They said she waged a great campaign when she did not. She had a over confident strategy. She ignored caucus states and she had no plan to run after super Tuesday. She mismanaged her copious campaign funds. Lets see what the Clintons are made out of. Can they accept the blame or will they Be Bushian and blame it on somebody else.

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pramono — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:43:26 GMT

and we will convert to Islam.

Go OBAMA convert us to the true religion.

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hannahsister — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:05:52 GMT

The delegate assignment process has become too far removed from the actual popular vote in the Democratic Party's nomination process. Their is no longer a clear link between the votes of our citizens and the resulting delegate count. As a result, the process is weakened, and the results lack credibility. It's appalling that some states do not even tally their popular vote count. This should always be done as check on the reasonableness of the delegate outcome. If caucuses reduce participation, they need to be abandoned in favor of more voter-friendly primaries. Besides, there are ongoing allegations of intimidation in the caucuses, and there is no secret ballot for voter protection in caucuses. I am a Hillary supporter, and I really found it incredible that the Democratic Party, or any American citizen in any group, would dream of imposing a penalty that disenfranchises voters. The RBC stated that they had given a great deal of thought into putting real meat into their penalty. Apparently, they gave no thought whatsoever to respecting the votes of their party members, or indeed to our foundational Constitutional right to vote. This superficial thinking got us into the division of our party, which was only partially resolved yesterday. There is still a suit by Steven Geller, the FL State Senate Minority Leader, in federal court. We need to have the court's decision before the final tally of the delegates.

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mel4florida — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:54:47 GMT

My question is this...why were these four states not also punished for holding caucuses and primaries early..Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina...The main reason given for SC was that it had a large Hispanic and African-American vote, well that is one of the most reversed racist-driven decisions I have ever heard of. This is the basis for the lawsuit being brought against the DNC. The media is as stupid as ever, they have managed to decide the Democratic Nominee for the people once again. They did it with Bush in 2004, and we know how that turned out. They treat Florida like the citizens chose to vote early. It was our Republican Governor (probably will be next VP) and Representatives that chose that for us. Why should I be punished? Also, the news has handled Obama with kid gloves. They are setting him up for total failure. He will be KO'd by the Republicans. They are not going to let him off so easily. I like him as a person, but he is so unrealistic to think that he is "not just another politician", because he is. He gets his money from lobbyist just like all the others. Most of his top monies come from Law firms that reported monies earned from lobbying activities. He thinks that we are stupid enough to believe that he is going into the white house and have no outside influence dictating his positions. Come on, that is total nonsense. He is a politician, just like all the other Republicans and Democrats..He has been influenced by lobbyist, and will continue to be influenced..no doubt about that. What kills me the most is his stance that he didn't support the war...well, maybe because he wasn't even in the Senate then, So DUH.. Easy to say you are against something when you have no involvement with the process. My question is this, would Microsoft hire a college student to run its corporation, or a person with actual experience.

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Ona Toons — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:55:50 GMT

This is ridiculous. Every vote should count. This author claims that the states that have caucuses that supported Obama have voters that should have counted in the total. But they don't - these states don't include voters because we'll never know what goes on inside those back room caucuses. If there are more Obama supporters in a particular area, that Caucus goes to him., if there are more Clinton supporters, that caucus goes to her. Where is the justice in that? Caucuses should be left at the roadside and delegate determination should be determined by all the voters - in a voting poll, just like the other states.

And what about New Hampshire, didn't they have their primary before the date the Democratic Rules committee set? Why didn't they say anything about that state? This is wrong.

EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT.

And because of this party in-fighting - and because of Obama's inexperience in these troubled times, he's going to lose the election this Fall. So in 2012, Hillary will come back as the Party's Saviour and end up in the White House. Just you wait and see.

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mel4florida — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:06:40 GMT

ona toons...we all know that the media picked their deligate..so of course they aren't going to say anything bad about him...This was a Bush 2004 all over again..Lucky me

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komangreen — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:07:00 GMT

Hillary would rather destroy the party than see what is actually happening. Popular vote? OK, what about the caucus states? What about the voters in Michigan and Florida being told their votes wouldn't count? WHAT ABOUT OBAMA'S NAME NOT BEING ON THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN? The popular vote argument is without merit. It's the delegates, stupid. The Clintons (at least Hillary) are now inconsequential - go away.

And all of you people saying you will vote for McCain over Obama - hope you old ladies have fun serving coffee and tea to the old white men who run what's going on under that "big ten".

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mel4florida — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:10:16 GMT

He chose not to put his name on the ballot..but his name was on Florida, and he lost there...So what about those delegates...should it be even there too. I say halfies on Michigan, and full seating on Florida.

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Dave in TX — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:35:55 GMT

So, if Obama wins and since he is half black and half white will we call the White House the Halfway House? Just askin'

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3guerras — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:33:22 GMT

I need some enlightenment, please. Puerto Rico cannot vote in November's general election, so why do they bother with the primaries?

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Seablade — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:05:03 GMT

President George H.W. Bush issued a memorandum on November 30, 1992, to heads of executive departments and agencies establishing the current administrative relationship between the Federal Government and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. This memorandum directs all Federal departments, agencies, and officials to treat Puerto Rico administratively as if it were a State

Contrary to common misconception, residents of Puerto Rico pay some U.S. federal taxes: import/export taxes, federal commodity taxes, social security taxes, etc. Most residents do not pay federal income tax but pay federal payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare). Puerto Ricans may enlist in the U.S. military, and became United States citizens in 1917. Puerto Ricans have fully participated in all U.S. wars since 1898.

The Democratic Party 2004 Platform indicates the following: "We believe that four million disenfranchised American citizens residing in Puerto Rico have the right to the permanent and fully democratic status of their choice. The White House and Congress will clarify the realistic status options for Puerto Rico and enable Puerto Ricans to choose among them".

Puerto Rico currently has limited representation in the U.S. Congress in the form of a Resident Commissioner, a nonvoting delegate

Report By the President's Task Force On Puerto Rico's Status (December 2005)

http://www.house.gov/fortuno/pdf/PuertoRicoBooklet.pdf

Report By the President's Task Force On Puerto Rico's Status (December 2007)

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/documents/2007-report-by-the-president-task-force-on-puerto-rico-status.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#cite_note-2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S_state

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Mariann Pepitone — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:08:01 GMT

Obama should not have gotten any delegates from MI only FL. The DNC endorsed Obama that's why they didn't play fair game but it is understood that the Clinton campaign can appeal the decision and hold up electing the nominee until a decision is made. If Obama wins the nomination Hillary would be dumb to support him. She should declare herself as an independent and even if it splits the democrats who cares. She should do what is best for her not for them.

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Seablade — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:13:25 GMT

The Republican Party 2004 Platform indicate the following: "We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state after they freely so determine. We recognize that Congress has the final authority to define the Constitutionally valid options for Puerto Rico to achieve a permanent non-territorial status with government by consent and full enfranchisement. As long as Puerto Rico is not a state, however, the will of its people regarding their political status should be ascertained by means of a general right of referendum or specific referenda sponsored by the United States government.

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:40:18 GMT

mariane

Clinton could care less about the voters in Fla or MI prior to super tue. as both agreed and Clinton singed, and voted, to punish Fla and MI!! So the only one breaking the rules agreed apon, is Clinton! Second 400,000 out of a few million is not popular in the least. If Obama was in the same spot he would have dropped to unify the party, just as Edwards did, and both PULLED THERE NAMES OFF THE BALLOT IN MI,, SO ONLY,, CLINTON,, RAN UNOPPOSED,MMM! Obama follows the rules, and his word, and gets castrated for doing so? why???

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:44:55 GMT

marianne

You want a president who does what's best for them and not the people??? That's what you say? She should do what's best for her is this the attitude of the type of president you prefere? We are just getting rid of one who is self centered, and did what's best for him, and look where we are today, in the DUMP! The we i speak of are the same we you say who cares about. why?

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deep_eye — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:31:00 GMT

OVER, SHE LOST, IT's OVER, DEAL WITH IT, OVER, SHE LOST, IT'S OVER, DEAL WITH IT.....

repeat 47,456 times or until it sinks in...

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mel4florida — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:41:37 GMT

pinkpanther...

First of all, you don't know what Obama would do. He probably would of ran til the end. Only difference is that he would be declared a strong, ambitious opponent unlike what people call Hillary. Sexism at its best. Secondly, Obama can't seem to stay away from hate-religion to save his life, but you know it is not his fault that he sat there year after year listening to hate...what if Hillary had a preacher like that...there would be no question that she would be labelled a racist, but not Obama. He gets a lot of free passes. Obama is a politician first. He is as self-centered as the rest. He used lobbyist money, is an elitist, and is just like all other politicians. Lets not be so nieve to believe that he is the second coming. No one told them to pull their names off...you would think they would be smart and see how well they would do among voters in MI. Don't blame Hillary for their stupidity. Guess what, neither took there name off of the ballots for the four states that were allowed to vote before Florida and MI...lets not count those votes and see who would be on top...oh i forgot only states that he wins gets to count.

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tabhi — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:21:15 GMT

Well, first thing you need to ask your self is if Mcbush win and become President you can bet we will end up in another war with iran this time, People take your head out of the sand Hillary has lose and I supported her until she made that comment about assassination not just once but many times as far back as January so there was a problem for me. Politics should be about things that we all are hoping for, you know like health care,food bills, house, and gas you know the every day things. So open your eyes and move on we don't need another four years of BUSH.

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:27:37 GMT

With the exception of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina, no other state (under the DNC rules) were allowed to hold primaries or caucuses before February 5th. These were the rules made by the DNC. Florida and Michigan held there primaries in defiance of party rules. Neither Clinton nor Obama made the rules, but they did, however, pledge to abide by them. Neither candidate can objectively be held accountable for the decisions the DNC made on May 31st. Both candidates pushed their individual agendas to the democratic delegate committee, but, in the end, the committee made the final decision, which accounted for the voters that actually came out to vote and those who stayed home because they were under the impression that their vote would not be counted. Their compromise was not perfect, but it was fair considering the fact that they could have ethically stripped the two states of all their delegates.

Candidates should not be held accountable for the gaffes of the people around them--just as Hillary Clinton should not be held liable for her husband's inadequate comparison of Barack Obama to Jesse Jackson in South Carolina and Barack Obama should not be held liable for the rants of the former pastor of his former church.

Personally attacking either candidate is not helpful to any political discussion. The individual intentions of each candidate are known only to them. To think now that the primary process is flawed is fine. To take action to discard the process while it is in use creates a new process, a new game. Creating a new game, in the final stages of the old, is unethical and undemocratic.

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:28:33 GMT

Fla

there stupidity? To follow the rules? who looks stupid now!! BTW Hillerys Rev was convicted of being a Pediphile, but you don't here that, but we know Obamas underwear size! FREE RIDE when a moron walks into A church and blows his mouth, it is not the resposability of ONE person, who had no control, over who speaks at a church he no longer attends. Rev Wright was right in a wrong way, big deal! If Parlsly [McCains REV] said it, in his special way, we think nothing of it. Ya What a freeride, when a cancer survivor is crucified by every woman in the USA! Try taking After cancer meds, or live with one, a slip of the lip is a usual ordeal, not a big deal! How can a poor man become a Senator? Or president, when as for president it cost 10 million to get your name on the ticket! You MUST be an Elitist to be a politician from the get go, big deal, they all are elitist! Hillery bad press, of low blows from the Obama commercials never happened, but it did the other way around did it not??? Hillery was not even close to vetted, as far up the backside as Obama has, get a grip. To vote McCain if Hillery does not get in, is a lie! You would vote McCain over Hillery in the first place! As Bad AS THE MESS BUSH LEFT. TO VOTE FAMIN INSTEAD OF FEAST, OUT OF SPIT, IS ------- ! Don't mistake stupidity, for honor, that leads to cheating! Naive I'm not! I see cheating is the way of your conversation, remove the first four or gimmi what I BLEW OFF IN THE BEGINING, but need now! WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO BEAT OBAMA,RIGHT?

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:35:25 GMT

nicsea

very very very well put! Thank you, honestly.

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:40:58 GMT

nicsea

can i copy what you said, to use in other sites. it is very well thought out, presented, and makes logical sense, may i please copy? if still in here i will check back later to see ok i will not unless you give me permission.

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:46:55 GMT

Thank you for the kind words, pinkpanther87413.

I would be honored.

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heartnspirit — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:48:03 GMT

* MANY OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, TYPES, AND RACE VOTED, for one or the other... it's not about color for color... It's about the needs of the people,those whom want to work together to maintain some substance and respect!...to pull our country up to a level to be 'proud' of!!...to be 'respected for'!! THERE'S NO COLOR RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, FOR UNDER THOSE COLOR(S) are 'PEOPLE'. A President can't fix or save americans mind, hearts, and souls... for purple is a color, green is a color, black is a color, white is a color, beige is a color, bronze is a color, tan, pink, red, on and on ... no ends to 'color' ! " USA AND AROUND THE WORLD... EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL- ARE PEOPLE OF 'COLOR'... and 'a name'? OUR COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD - TO BE THINKING ABOUT RACE AND WHAT SEX... IN VOTING... nor judgement on what minister one may 'listen-to', which doesn't MAKE-UP a person. All this nonsense is our 'down-fall'!! WAKE-UP AMERICAN PEOPLE... FOR YOUR OWN SAKE... IF THE SHOE WAS ON OTHER FOOT AND CLINTON GOT ALL OF & OBAMA ZERO, many would be glad. SELF-SATISFACTION?!...IT'S ABOUT AMERICA AS A 'WHOLE' and someone 'very' different' is needed.! All 'thought' they KNEW who they voted for the last and previous times, with their 'judgements' and these downfalls we are now facing, didn't happen overnight !! WE NEED TO BUILD UP THE INTEGRITY, RESPECT and HONOR OF & FOR AMERICA , in more ways then one.... !!!! It's difficult for the 'old' to want, or support 'change', many are set-in-their own-ways, yet, the past HAS equaled our present conditions! OUR COUNTRY IS AT RISK OF LOTS AND IT'S OUR YOUTH-THE FUTURE THAT WE HAVE TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH. Clinton was $1 million in the red on the balance sheet for her primary campaign at the start of April, new federal fund-raising data show * Obama raked in more than $40million in March, spent just $30 million and had more than $50 million in the bank - with nearly no debt and $42 million to spend fighting Clinton. *Clinton's debt is an unhealthy $10 million. She still had $31 million in cash on hand, but only $9million of that could be spent in the primaries, an article wrote... A poor showing and deep debts.... AMERICA CAN'T AFFORD MORE DEBT !!! NOR, PLAY MORE AND MORE "catch-up" !!! THE DIRECTION,MANAGEMENT AND FLOW OF THE CLINTON vs OBAMA- campaign(s), gives Americans and Super-delagates a great FORESIGHT, into who is best at these economic (drowning) times, TO SERVE AMERICA's INTEREST and NEEDS BEST !!!! WE NEED A DRASTIC "CHANGE".... the proof's 'in the pudding', that far too many, that were voted-into office, had taken for granted, and many Americans still seem to not face. MANY SAY HE ONLY TALKS AND TALKS,WELL, GIVE HIMTHE CHANCE TOWALK THE WALK,INSTEAD OF ALL THESE JUDGEMENTS AND FEARS !!!! Obama IS DIFFERENT...WHAT OTHER CANDIDATE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE 'SAME-OLD-POLITIC demeanor ?!! WE NEED A 'real' CHANGE IN THE 'MANNER' OF HANDLING!!! I too, wish the world was color-blind and would somehow find the way to "see & pull-the-dirt-out-of-their-own-eyes, before they do such to another!!! .... LEARN, BEFORE (too late), To 'DO UNTO ANOTHER,AS THEY'D WANT DONE UNTO THEMSELVES !!! Some people do their best to stay out of the downs-of-darkness, in order to stand-up & with the powers-of-the-light!!!

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checkjj — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:51:11 GMT

Purto Rica results are known now. This article need be revised. I will not vote for Obama for the same reason for his close association with his black church who carries hate of america value. It is his closeness to this group of people scares hell of me. I'd rather vote John McCain than an unknown that we now know carries some values of the black church who hates our values.

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checkjj — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:52:53 GMT

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:10:56 GMT

Barack Obama distanced and, subsequently, denounced his former pastor for insensitive remarks he made about America immediately after 9/11. Most recently, Obama decided to leave Chicago's Trinity Baptist Church.

John McCain courted--and was subsequently granted---John Hagee's endorsement. McCain has since denounced Hagee's endorsement and so-called radical comments about Hitler's prophetic relationship to Israel.

Both Obama and McCain seem to have a "pastor problem."

Voting for McCain on the basis of Barack Obama's relationship with a pastor he has denounced and an institution he no longer belongs to would be oxymoronic.

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tabhi — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:38:08 GMT

Black churches all preach the same message and that is how we all need to pick ourselves up and keep on going even when there does not seem to be a way to see the end of the tunnel, the preachers all yell and say thing that might not sound good to people out side the church, all your concerns and worries, and hopes and dreams will be brought to the preacher and he preaches on it. Some say it hate, some say it is angery, I see it as getting the anger out frist than you can come see what god has planned for us.

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:25:32 GMT

nicsea

thank you

tabhi get a grip then all white churchs preach Jimmy Jones sermons and the same message of Charles Manson [not my opinion], lose the, all, over, a sound bite and not one shread of proof, it's been hate, for 20 years. A guest speaker speaks at your church does this make just you responasable for his words to-not in a white min! loose the Rev vetting McCain paid one cause his is worst, followed this man for a year then says "I did not know" only Obama has that fault. Religion has nothing to do with what our country needs today so what's the REAL beef . Wait till you find out who Mccain realy is if he gets vetted he makes Obama look like a boy scout, Bush proved that!

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pinkpanther87413 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:34:53 GMT

nicsea

no I'm the one who is honered, thank you.

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:06:42 GMT

Please site sources for your information, and put said information in context so I can get the full breadth of the argument.

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mlbuie — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:41:55 GMT

schlang is one of those who spreads propaganda hoping weak-minded people follow his drivel. No "informed" person at this time would credit his/her statements.

Desperate, if you ask me. ;~)

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ckwan4 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:36:19 GMT

Romamo:

The Puerto Rico result is now in and it proves that your predictions are all wrong.

More importantly, your math and logic are also dead wrong.

They are dead wrong for the following reasons:

(i) It is not a matter of ignoring Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington. There were simply no official counts of the votes in those states.

(ii) You cannot give all the uncommitted votes in Michigan to Obama because there were other candididates in the race at the time and you have no way of knowing how many of those uncommitted were actually for Edwards, Biden, Dodd, or any other competing candidates at the time.

(iii) The fact that no one campaigned in Fl and Mi does not changed the fact that there were in fact so many voters voting for Clinton in those primaries.

(iv) The fact that no one campaigned in Fl and Mi does not make it unfair to any candidate. You can say it unfair only if one candidate did campaign and another candidate did not.

(v) The fact that Obama's name was not on the ballot in Michigan does not change the fact that Clinton did receive so many votes there. A vote for a certain candidate is a vote for that candidate whether or not Obama's name or Romano's name was on the ballot.

(vi) Obama took his name off the ballot voluntarily and therefore the world does not owe him any thing if he doesn't get any votes from Michigan. Furthermore, even if we want to give him some votes, we don't know how to do it in a way that is fair to all candidates because not 100% of those who voted uncommitted were for Obama. He is stuck with the consequence for a mistake that he made. But that is life. We all made mistakes and we all have to bear with the consequence for what we did.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:52:48 GMT

From a Clinton Supporter, THANK YOU PUERTO RICO!!! WE LOVE YOU!!!

Puerto Rico has shown that despite the Obama camps calls for Hillary to withdraw, that she still have OVERWHELMING support. Obama supporters would have me think I was crazy for still supporting Hillary, but this weekends polls show that I am now. Despite negative ads, and the media's calls for her to exit, Hillary still wins and she wins big!

It's a great day to be a Hillary supporter!!!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:53:23 GMT

(hahaha that I am NOT crazy) : Minor correction

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:55:58 GMT

HILLARY! HILLARY! HILLARY!

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:29:25 GMT

The Michigan totals did not take into account the voters who wrote in Barack Obama's (or any other candidate's) name on the ballot or those voters who stayed home under the impression that their vote would not be counted. There is absolutely no way of knowing how many votes were cast in Obama's favor. Or, how many would have been cast had potentials voters not stayed home.

Obama's mistake was not that he removed his name from the ballot, but rather that he trusted in the pledge (per the DNC's request) that both he and Clinton made: Florida and Michigan democratic primaries would not count because both states had their primaries in defiance of primary rules.

Seeing that Florida and Michigan were originally stripped of their delegates, the democratic delegate committee's compromise was fair. Both candidates walked away with delegates that neither should have had per the DNC original punishment.

In terms of popular vote, not many voters came out for Puerto Rico's democratic primary, which means that Hillary Clinton did not get the popular vote boost she had hoped for. In this case, Romano may have been on to something.

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3guerras — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:53:18 GMT

Time for MI and FL voters to wake up and smell the deception. The only reason Clinton cares about you is because she is has lost the race. Think about it. Do you honestly think, if she were leading the race, she would give a 'tinkers damn' about you? This is Clinton we are talking about. Probably the most self-centerd, self-serving, hipocritical comgress-woman around. Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:58:20 GMT

3guerras, that is your opinion. There is no way of knowing if Hillary would have cared or not. I think that Hillary Clinton cares about what is fair and honest and wants everyone go get a vote. Hillary stands as the true voice of integrity and honesty.

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:06:34 GMT

Personally attacking either candidate is not helpful to any political discussion. The individual intentions of each candidate are known only to them; therefore, the true voice of integrity and honesty is unknown.

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jtt-esq — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:10:35 GMT

If the voices of voters in Fl and MI really mattered to Sen. Clinton, she would have raised her concerns about stripping any states of their delegates if the state in question held its primary prior to the approved date of the DNC when such actions were being contemplated. Instead the good Senator , her husband and her campaign assisted in drafting said rules & procedures and the draconian measures for any state that defied the rules. Now that she is behind in the vote and "won" the states that violated the process, she objects to the rules that she not only agreed to but assisted in developing and putting into place. If the concerns for every voter are paramount to Sen. Clinton, when did she begin to care as it is obvious she did not care prior to Super Tuesday.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:10:55 GMT

I believe Hillary to have the true voice of honesty and integirty, she has shown through her political career and life as a wife an mother, that with integrity, honesty, patience and perserverance you can achieve anything and overcome any obstacles. No matter how Obama they may be!

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:19:54 GMT

Again, personally attacking either candidate is not helpful to any political discussion. The individual intentions of each candidate are known only to them; therefore, the true voice of integrity and honesty is unknown to us.

Supporters generally do not know how effective their candidate is as a spouse and /or parent, unless said supporter is the spouse or child of the candidate.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama seem to be distinctively talented, overcoming extraordinary odds throughout the democratic primary season.

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tapatitucci — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:22:54 GMT

OK I guess you blew that one> Hillary came up with a 35% margin of victory. Does anyone think Obama is still a viable candidate? We are looking at a republican victory if he is able to gain the nomination. The superdeligates better do what is best for the party and vote for Hillary. Because another week of negative material about his church will must further turn off the Reagan Dems.

He doesn't represent the mainstream of the Party or the country and the rules have allowed him to sneak ahead. If we made all the primaries win lose like the election he would have little support. He has not one a large state and has cacuses and state primarily dominiated by African Americans who represent a shrinking minority of the vote.

Superdeligates need to make a hard choice and abandon Obama for the good of the party.I personnelly and many of our friends are Hillary supporters and we will either stay home or support McCain in the fall. And there are enough polls to show we are not an isolated group.

Finally, It appears the DNC has raped florida just like the Republicans, and we will not soon forget this. Remember the Republican Legislature set the date. And you guys fell into their trap. Hillary or McCain no to Obama!! and his racist politics

re: Can Puerto Rico Make Clinton's Popular Vote Dreams Come True?

tapatitucci — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:25:45 GMT

How about Obama no mas!

re: Can Puerto Rico Make Clinton's Popular Vote Dreams Come True?

RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:26:28 GMT

It's interesting that Clinton has the support of her LOYAL Latino voters. (Most of them loyal anyway)

I was just emailed by a friend from Puerto Rico, they call Obama "El Negrito" she says most people hate him. My latino friends in Texas call Obama "El cucaracha"

As you know, Latinos make up a very large part of the US. To win, it seems you would need those votes. Not only do Latinos support Hillary but they seem to despise Obama.

Yes I know there are some of you Latinos who support Obama, but the polls show that overall, they support Clinton.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:28:17 GMT

and nicsea- AGAIN- I said I BELIEVE Hillary to have the true voice of honesty and integirty, she has shown through her political career and life as a wife an mother, that with integrity, honesty, patience and perserverance you can achieve anything and overcome any obstacles. No matter how Obama they may be!

You cannot tell me what I can or cannot believe.

And if Hillary is not the nominee, the party WILL NOT be united, you can COUNT on that.

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nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:36:11 GMT

I am in no position to tell you or anyone else for that matter what to (or not to) believe. I was simply making a point, which is "personally attacking either candidate is not helpful to any political discussion."

Additionally, I said that supporters "generally" do not know how his/her candidate is as a spouse and/or parent unless said supporter is the spouse or child of that candidate.

Really, it isn't me against you. Or, you against me. We are just having a conversation. Please don't add words to my posting, as I would not add them to yours.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:47:09 GMT

AGAIN- I said I BELIEVE Hillary to have the true voice of honesty and integirty, she has shown through her political career and life as a wife an mother, that with integrity, honesty, patience and perserverance you can achieve anything and overcome any obstacles. No matter how Obama they may be!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:48:36 GMT

AGAIN- I said I BELIEVE Hillary to have the true voice of honesty and integrity, she has shown through her political career and life as a wife an mother, that with integrity, honesty, patience and perserverance you can achieve anything and overcome any obstacles. No matter how Obama they may be!

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RDOMINGUEZ — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:56:29 GMT

As shown, by my fellow Hillary supporters at the DNC Committee meeting this weekend, there is one option and the need for only one discussion, that is making Hillary Clinton the nominee. It is the only option for a united party, and she has shown she can lead Democrats to victory in November. If the Democrats want a united party, then Hillary will need to be the nominee, if not the party will crumble and John McCain will win.

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ckwan4 — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:12:59 GMT

"Obama's mistake was not that he removed his name from the ballot, but rather that he trusted in the pledge (per the DNC's request) that both he and Clinton made: Florida and Michigan democratic primaries would not count because both states had their primaries in defiance of primary rules."

Response: This does not mean that he has to remove his name from the ballot. He might have done this for a political reason. That is, he knew he was not going to win in Michigan and he did it to avoid an embarrassment. Keep in mind that he also tried to do it in FL but FL law would not allow him to do it.

"Seeing that Florida and Michigan were originally stripped of their delegates, the democratic delegate committee's compromise was fair. Both candidates walked away with delegates that neither should have had per the DNC original punishment."

Response: You might think that this is fair. But many more peolple would see this as a manipulation. The split of 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 delegates to Obama is totally a political manipulation and no way can reflect the will of those people who came out to vote on that day. Remember that the decision was made by the same group of people who made the decision earlier that only 4 small states, namely, Iowa, New Hamshire, Nevada and South Carolina could hold caucauses or primaries in January. When two big states, namely FL and MI with population more than the 4 small states combined wanted to do the same thing, they were punished by these people. Not only that, when the DNC decided to move some primaries ahead of New Hamshire, New Hamshire defied the DNC decision by threatening to move its own primary to December 2007 or even earlier to Thanksgiving 2007. While these people had the nerve to punish FL and MI, they didn't have the nerve to punish New Hamshire and as a result, they backed off from their decision and allow New Hamshire to get off the hook. Who the hell is this handful of people in the DNC who should have a god-given power to manipulate the primary process by allowing only 4 small states to hold a primary or caucause in January? Those democrats who can still feel the pain of losing the GE in 2004 should understand that it was Iowa and New Hamshire who picked Kerry to be the nominee who then went on to lose the GE to G. W. Bush despite Bush's extreme unpopularity.

re: Can Puerto Rico Make Clinton's Popular Vote Dreams Come True?

nicsea — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:48:32 GMT

John Edwards also removed his name from the Michigan ballot. Whether or not the removal of each candidate's name was premeditative and strategic is not for me to decide or presume.

The democratic delegate committee's choice to allocate delegates as they saw fit was their decision to make. Both Clinton and Obama presented their proposals, and the committee--based on the votes cast and those that would have been cast--made their final decisions. Neither Clinton nor Obama should be held accountable for the committee decision, especially seeing that the committee originally stripped Florida and Michigan of delegates.

"Fair" is relative. The DNC believes that it has made the best of a bad situation. I commend them for their making such a difficult decision and for their resolve.

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mel4florida — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:49:50 GMT

I just am amazed that all the news channels are so one sided when it comes to posting Hillary's victory in PR. The only thing that MSNBC said over and over was that the voters were too uneducated to make a sound judgement. What a slap in the face. They always downplay her victories. If Obama had won they would of said how "educated" his supporters were. Obama pretty much spent no time over there cause he has already been told that he is the nominee by the media.

As far as DNC, they picked their candidate already. Unfortunately, it has very little to do with politics and so much to do with sex and race. Think about it. They will be able to pat themselves on the back because they got a mixed-raced man on the ballot. They can look at themselves and say what a good job they have done.

As far as pinkpanther's comment about Obama not being critical of Clinton...give me a break he is just as nasty. only difference is that he dresses it up in a little pink dress. Hillary is just straight up about it. Also he couldn't debate an issue head on if he had to..he is too unknowledgeable about most subjects, so what does he do...Again, he turns to old faithful "change" message. Unfortunately for him, he has no methodology to his change.

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raddave — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:04:21 GMT

I watch MSNBC pretty regularly and read their webpage and I never heard anyone mention over and over again about the Puerto Riccans being to uneducated to make a sound judgement.

As far as the DNC "picking their candidate," I think the voters have decided that. With the last two primaries tonight, there is no way Clinton can make up the deficit. The delegates choose the nominee, not the DNC.

Did you even watch the debates? You make it sound like someone would ask Obama a question and some unseen person would pull a string on Obama's back and he would say "change" At least Obama did not give answers based on how the political wind is blowing i.e. "My husband supported NAFTA, but I oppose it." or "I voted to authorize the war in order to give peace a chance."

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mel4florida — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:08:52 GMT

obviously you don't watch MSNBC too closely cause if you looked at the the results for the PR you would of seen over and over "know too little about Obama". So obviously, they didn't make the choice based on the fact that they thought that Hillary was a better candidate, but rather due to the fact that they failed to learn enough about Obama to make the correct decision. You either have to be unconscious when you watch it, or you chose not to notice.

You have it exactly right...someone does pull his strings..cause his knowledge is lacking

significantly when it comes to politics....Obama doesn't even have grounds to state that he was opposed to war, cause guess what...he wasn't even in the Senate then...but what does he do...uses that stance anyway. As for as his so called views....most of his speeches were borrowered from others...and that has been proven over and over.

If you actually believe that Obama is going to get elected you are sadly mistaken..the republicans are more than happy to have him as an opponent. He whines and MSNBC pats him on the back and gives him a warm glass of milk to sooth him. He will be discarded easily. Plus, if he were a white man with his obvious lack of experience, would we even be talking about him. No...Do you think a large corporation would even entertain him as a viable CEO...not in his lifetime....

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tainian2000 — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:10:18 GMT

TRY: OBAMA, YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT AT ALL COSTS? GANA SI PUEDES!

WE WILL NOT VOTE IN GENERAL ELECTIONS FOR HUSSEIN BARRACK OBAMA.

WE WILL ACTIVELY CROSS PARTIES AND WORK TO SHOW HIS REAL SITUATION NATIONALLY.

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NO OOOOOOOOO — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:03:13 GMT

This is a sincere comment to all of those Obama supporters I've sparred with over the months and all of those I didn't. Congratulations on the nomination of your candidate...it is finally done after a long and hard-fought battle.