McCain to Obama: 'Meet Me in New York--and then Iowa and New Mexico and Pennsylvania and Ohio and...'

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speckelbelly — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:22:50 GMT

OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN! GET USED TO THE FACT! CAN U SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA?

YES WE CAN!

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TTLL — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:18:27 GMT

Sexism, racism, emotionalism and irrationalism were the primary determinants of this race. But why should it be any different than all the others? A study of college-age males scanned the brains of the subjects as they discussed politics; the area of the brain that 'lit-up' was not the area that governs logical, rational thought, but instead the area that controls emotions. This, despite the statements of the subjects, that they claim to use 'the issues' and rational thought to determine their stances. Interesting.

We heard that 90% + of blacks voted for Obama and more whites (although not nearly as high as 90%) voted for Hillary. Why were the implications of racism always discussed in the context of whites voting for Hillary and not blacks voting for Obama (even though this was the significantly larger number), can only whites cast racist votes, blacks are immune to this flaw? Or is this flimsy argument a cover for the real issue, another attempt to attack and discredit Clinton? Blaming her campaign and her supporters for ‘racist’ politics when the people casting this blame are practicing sexist politics. Just another, more insidious, wide-spread and sadly, more accepted, kind of ‘ism’.

The numbers also show ~ 50/50 split on women’s votes for Clinton and Obama, while more than half of men voted for Obama. OK…so why are the news bytes, ‘women support Hillary’? I think more telling is that men support Obama, but that is not what’s in the news. Curious. Instead the focus is on the racism of the ‘white’ vote for Clinton and the ‘women’s support’ for Clinton. Why aren’t the same questions and comments focused on Obama, i.e., the racism of the 90%+ black vote and the sexism of the majority male support? The answer to that ‘why’ is clear. When it comes to politics, it’s still a man’s world. Voting exit polls showed statistics that voters considered gender a ‘factor’ more than ‘race’. There is still an over-whelming, unfounded fear and distrust of the big, scary Vag. The 110th Congress is ~16% female (while women are 51% of the population), the 110th Congress is ~8% black (while blacks are ~13% of the population), the 110th congress is ~84% male, you get the picture don’t you? Playing the ‘race’ card against Clinton is just another weapon in the arsenal, a cover if you will, for the real issue, she’s a woman and for all the talk of CHANGE - well a woman president, that is just too much CHANGE for our country.

As we’ve seen in the past, popular vote means little. Other things, like whom holds the reins of power, determine who runs for our presidency and who is elected president. So far, I don’t see much of a CHANGE in anything.

I think Hillary Clinton lost because she is a woman. I think if the whole thing were to happen again, with the only difference being that Hillary Clinton was a man, not only would (s)he have won the nomination but (s)he would have walked away with the presidency. I also think the DNC must be out of their minds, controlled by emotions, bias and fear. I am now very afraid we (Dems) will not see a change of party in the White House. And no matter how fair or unfair you believe this primary has been, the loss of the White House in a year we should have walked with it, may be the last nail in the coffin for our country.

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wrecktafire — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:05:21 GMT

I love the idea of the candidates NOT doing the traditional TV debate thing where they trade 60-second speeches and counter-speeches. That format has grown predictable and in my view, not a good representation of the candidates positions.

It rewards the candidates who go negative early and often, and it prevents the introduction of complex topics and discussions.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:02:29 GMT

OK Clinton Supporters, the day has come. Clinton is officially out. We must now fall in line behind McCain. Hillary will now be the puppet for the DNC and she must be tuned out from this day forth. She will try to endorse Obama and this of course is one of her orders by the DNC. It's a sad day, but we must to what has to be done. We must vote McCain.

McCain 2008!

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JHellsing — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:22:39 GMT

I think people calling to "fallin in line behind McCain" due to some perceived slight to Hillary need your heads examined. Voting for someone you fundamentally disagree with out of pure spite is childish. Look at the big picture here, this aint kindergaten. Obama and Hillary are practically the same candidate on the majority of the issues. If you supported Hillary you basically supported Obama. I dont remember ever hearing blacks say "If Obama loses, we're voting McCain!" Hell no, they'd be just happy Obama made it as far as he did. Even if there were cries of foul (which there would be no doubt) voting republican would be beyond idiotic. Think.

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equallybias — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:50:15 GMT

@TTLL

I must agree with you on one hand at teh media's constant attention to teh "white vote" or teh "woman vote" in an effort to show disdain toward Hillary. It's an obvious downfall of the consistantly bias media. In the same breath you would be equally silly to believe that they wouldn't sound equally as stupid to suggest that there is some kind of racist and/or sexist agenda to blacks and males voting for Barack Obama. Could you possibly fathom the idea that people who voted for him were in fact inspired by his message? Would it be racist for blacks to have pride in the fact that America is actually embracing one of thier own for the most prestigious posistion known to man? The racism that the media quotes is in fact obvious. The rural knuckleheads who wont vote for Obama have clearly expressed that is it simply because of his race. Clear racism point blank. Yet you suggest that blacks support of Obama is simply because of thier disdain for the "white woman"? Are you serious?

Don't get me wrong, I am extremely proud of the work that Sen. Hillary Radham Clinton does. Even more proud of the accomplishments that she has made in these primaries. The fact that we came out and voted for her is proof enough that she is worthy for the position. Nevertheless, we cannot let our anger over her loss blind us to the fact that another historic event overshadowed hers and relaity must set in at some time.

America embraced the idea of a female president and there are other woman politicians that also have an even better chance at winning than she did. Equally distasteful is the fact that there is no otherblack politicians (at this time) who stand a chance at the presidency the way that Barack does. Don't lose sight of the goals people. We must overthrow the republican party and thier continued efforts to keep the rich wealthy and the poor depressed. I guess the idea of doing just that while doing an overhaul of our political systems in general was a more compelling arguement for he people. (Come on now, dont you want to eat your cake as well?)

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equallybias — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:51:25 GMT

@TTLL

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jaymielynnie24 — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:00:15 GMT

The town hall meetings are a great idea. Obama's been promising change since the beginning; what better way to facilitate change than to shake up how the race is run? A town hall campaign would show voters the candidates want to hear the concerns of the average Joe and also be a good-faith gesture between the two candidates, showing each is committed to working across party lines once he becomes president. I hope to see the town hall format in the coming months of the election.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:30:41 GMT

I was an active supporter for Hillary and was able to recruit members to support her, I have signed on with McCain, and have copied my contacts list into his database. I have sent requests from my Hillary supporter list to join McCain's Team and so far I have been successful in having roughly 60% of them sign on to McCain. The others maybe will not join, or not had the chance to sign up yet. At this point, it's war against the Obama-Change Movement. He's that much closer to the Presidency and I will stress to all people I come in contact with the urgency of keeping him out of the White House. He's been successful in defeating Hillary, however, the battle with McCain will be much harder. I'll do all I can to keep this from happening and to save our nation. I hope others will follow. I encourage you not to be fooled by the Obama campaign, Bush and McCain are not the same. The lines are drawn now, and I urge you not to be swayed by the media, please explore McCain and vist his website and learn more before dismissing him.

Thanks All.

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powerofk — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:25:47 GMT

It'd be great if the two candidates did town halls and/or Lincoln-Douglass debates. I'd have a suggestion for the two of them: Why not do half-length Lincoln-Douglass (as in 30 min/45 min/15 min) and then follow up with an hour-long town hall? It'd be a win/win for both, as they both would be able to do what they feel is their strong suit, plus, they'd be able to prove that they could (at the least) hold ground with the other candidate on what he feels is his strong suit.

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cuppa jo — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:34:11 GMT

Why would you rather give hour long speeches instead of answering the questions of the American people? Obama's answer should have been an enthusiastic yes. I believe this was a mistake....

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cuppa jo — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:34:12 GMT

Why would you rather give hour long speeches instead of answering the questions of the American people? Obama's answer should have been an enthusiastic yes. I believe this was a mistake....

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OBWan — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:47:47 GMT

Posted By: RDOMINGUEZ (June 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM)

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You were a Sen. McCain supporter all along.

List what your reason are for supporting Sen. Clinton - I dare you.

Health Care?

Iraq?

Economy?

Jobs?

And yes, voting Sen. McCain is the same a voting for the current Republican platform.

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camellia nixon — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:48:34 GMT

I approve of town hall meetings but done via satellite in different locations in the city. Why should Obama attraction a crowd for McCain. And it seems to me that mcCain is lacking in this area of popular large attractions.

Camellia for Obama

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vakosh — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:13:33 GMT

I don't know - maybe Obama can convince McCain to hand him the election the way the Rules Committee did.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:20:27 GMT

hahaha- good one vakosh.

OBWan- McCain has always been my #2 choice you are correct. I'm a person who always has a plan "B" and he was always my plan B

I believed Hillary could keep the promises she made, and I do not have faith that Obama can do the same. I'm left to choose who I believe can do the job, while they have very different stands on issues, McCain has a plan for the economy, for the war and is a much more realistic choice given the current state of the nation. Before just choosing Obama, because the media makes it seem everyone is, I urge you to explore McCain by visiting his website.

I do encourage the town hall meetings, I believe that in debates McCain will prove to be a great candidate and I believe Obama has met his match. Obama never performed well in debates with Hillary, and I can't wait to see him squirm when face to face with McCain.

It's the general election now folks, this is serious business. The Democrats messed up picking a candidate who can't win, and just like you that support him who'll do all you can to gain support, I'll be on the other side working against you. Best of luck to all!

But please, everyone, McCain is not McSame. He deserves a fair shot just like anyone else. Please consider him.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:15:24 GMT

I was just on the McCain site, looking at the blogs, and the Hillary supporters are coming over to him in DROVES..... You guys really messed up.....McCain is surely gonna win. Post after post. Hillary supporter after Hillary supporter, each posting their messages of support for McCain. It's really wonderful.

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Radmanaustin — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:19:06 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ is a member of Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos."

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OBWan — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:19:21 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ (June 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM)

I respect that. All I have ever asked is that everyone respect the candidates, do their research, and select the one that best represents the direction that they want to see in the country.

I, too, would like to see some sort of town hall type meeting. Not to see any candidate squirm, but to get the same information at the same time. You are correct this is a serious business, the governing of this great country. There are times in government, as in business, when a major change is required - this maybe one of those times.

I have no horse in the race and all the candidates deserve a look, including the lesser known parties (Green, Libertarian, Constitutional...)

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:23:39 GMT

If you don't believe me go to McCain's site. Click the Blog button and see for yourself. You think I'm a hater, but you'll see there's many people who feel like I do and who will support McCain. Obama is in big trouble. I have to say, I do love it.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:30:31 GMT

I would also urge other Hillary supporters who are currently subscribers to her website who will be supporting McCain to unsubscribe today. Go to Contact us and select unsubscribe from the drop down menu. In the upcoming months Hillary will be endorsing Obama and probably be using her contacts to reach you. Supporting Obama us just not an option for many of us, so you may want to unsubscribe. I just did.

It's really sad isn't it Hillary supporters? That it's come to this? We have to do what we have to do.

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kplatt — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:07:28 GMT

OH RDOMINGUEZ I'M SORRY YOUR LITTLE FEELINGS ARE HURT, BUT THIS IS POLITICS NOT FAMILY BUSINESS, EVEN WITHOUT HILLARY VOTES OBAMA IS STILL GOING TO BE PRESIDENT. SO MAY HAVE TO GO CRAWL IN A LITTLE HOLE UNTIL 2013 WHEN HILLARY CAN RUN AGAIN THAT IS IF SHE IS STILL WALKING.

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Political Novice — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:38:15 GMT

I am a Dem. and I have talhed to a lot of Black people about Darack and asked them hpw they feel abt. him and I have got the same answer. He talks a good talk but he scares the s*hit out of them because yhey never heard of him before he threw his hat in the ring.

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hatchetman — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:18:51 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ. god, how stupid and ignorant do you sound right now. its a wonder hillary did so well with the uneducated demo. its one thing to be disappointed in the loss of a hard fought primary election; be disillusioned to the point of not wanting to vote in the general and something all together different to then go vote for the guy on a team that share absolutely nothing in common with the candidate you initially backed. does "mcshame" share the same views with hillary relating to the war, healthcare, the economy, immigration???? if ur not going to vote for obama, fine. but lock yourself away in the basement for the next 5 months where you can't do any damage to our nations future. idiota!

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BobinOhio — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:54:30 GMT

RDOMINGUEZ (

The thing on McCain's site is just us Obama folks messing with the repubs ala Uncle Rush!

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BobinOhio — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:58:14 GMT

McCain just doesn't pass the "smell" test to a real Democrat ... smells too much like BUSH LITE!

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jlynne — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:32:44 GMT

Hillary and McCain both voted for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act -- Obama blocked the IL version of this legislation. The Act allowed doctors to treat a newborn who survived a late term abortion procedure -- Obama argued in the IL Senate that the child was still a fetus and Chicago hospitals followed the correct procedures by taking the child, placing the child in a box in soiled linen closet, waiting for the child to die, and then disposing of the body as medical waste.

Hillary and McCain both opposing legalizing marijuana and ending the war on drugs.

Hillary and McCain both support the death penalty.

Hillary and McCain both recognize the threat that Iran poses -- and would have a military response to a nuclear attack on Israel. Obama wants to talk to terrorists and leaders of rogue nations -- without preconditions in the first year of his presidency.

McCain and Hillary both have a long history in U.S. politics -- voting for McCain or McCain isn't like buying a grab bag and hoping there is something good inside.

Hillary's platform has always been univresal healthcare -- Obama may be carrying that baton -- but the probability of that legislation passing is slim to none.

McCain isn't promising to withdraw the troops from Iraq BUT he also isn't promising to send troops to places like Darfur. The purpose of ending the war in Iraq should be to bring our troops home not to send them somewhere else.

Hillary supporter for McCain in '08

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J.Richter — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:17:33 GMT

This guy lied about voting against the Katrina investigation twice (and one of the bills which was cosponsored by Clinton had nothing else attacehd to it). And when called on it accuses Barack of divisive politics. Pointing out policy differences and falsehood is not divisive politics.

The myth of McCain the independent - Clinton voters please look carefully at this and dont be fooled.

- This guy votes opposite to Clinton 90% of the time the last 3 years

- Allows an introducer to use the "B" word against her on a campaign event (At least with BO you have to accuse the media and "supporters" but the man himself defended your candidate against the Bosnia gaffe - in the heat of battle not at the end like McCain is doing now.)

- has a $5000 tax credit as the main thrust of his health plan in a country in which I in a family of four pay $19000 per year and has no plans for the uninsured leaving us to again pay for it indirectly.

- Supports Bush's wiretapping program and interpretes the same way his excess encroachment of the constitution and democratic liberties.

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notroubleatall1963 — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:23:17 GMT

Jlynne, don't be shallow. A vote for McCain would totally screw up any chances, no matter how remote, of fixing our health care system. If a Democrat wins the White House, he will have a Democratic majority in Congress and chances are better that he could elicit change in a positive direction for health care, energy policy and a host of other domestic issues.

On Iran - We have no business fighting them. I don't care what the alleged "threat" is to Israel. Israel has nuclear weapons, thanks to the US. We give them more aid than any other country in the world. WE CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER WAR IN A MAJOR COUNTRY LIKE IRAN. We do not have the budget for it. Do you want to bankrupt us completely, as well as our children and children's children and on into the next 20 generrations? And for what? So we could fight another "potential threat" with another unilateral war?

We should be taking our cue from Iran and diverging our nuclear power into a source for energy rather than weapons. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the Iranian people - they have a lrage population that needs nuclear power and I doubt seriously they will want another war. We (the US) already funded them and their enemy Iraq with weapons during the Iran-Iraq War that lasted about a decade. We are the main reason the Middle East has nuclear power.

"Have a nice dayyyyy!"

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notroubleatall1963 — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:29:12 GMT

Any pitting of McCain and Obama in the same venue on a stage or a townhall will make McCain look like a dope. He's shorter, dumber and less articulate and has the forced charm of Bush Jr. in that hideous little laugh he pushes out of his throat when he's really pissed off.

McCain is no competition, I don't care which way they go. Plouffe was probably just feeling sorry for McSame when he procrastinated on the idea of the townhalls. He couldn't believe the guy would want to get creamed so early on in the race.

I say let 'em wait until Sept. We're all going to get sick of the politics and neither of them has a good substantive program worked out for their potential administrations. Let them have some time to work out details and formulate specifics to their plans in Office. No more shallow b.s. sessions!

OBAMA '08

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littleman — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:13:31 GMT

Well, they could each plan a few of each type debate adding more spice to the pie. I'm certain thay have thought this thought.