The Obama Veepwatch, Vol. 4: Hillary Clinton

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chindognyc — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:03:17 GMT

I got a chance to read "Dreams of my Father." The people who have been posting this have been altering the real words in the book. Oh my god how low can you people go. I am glad that Obama has put out the truth. I can't believe you guys would go so low as to add in your own words to make it seem like Obama is a Muslim.

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Alvy — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:46:10 GMT

Point is you gain 30 and lose 45 with Clinton on the ticket.

If it were even - I say yes. Common sense dictates no. Sorry, it's just math.

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Saltydog_0 — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:16:24 GMT

Hillary can't help being. . . well, Hillary. She has repeatedly demonstrated that she completely lacks the ability to work with others. From health care reform in 1993 to her inability to accept reality during the primaries, Hillary continues to live in a bubble where her views are "right" and anyone with a differing opinion is either ignorant or motivated by spite (vast right wing conspiracy anyone?). She is so sure of her superiority to everyone except Jesus and Oprah that she literally lacks the capacity to consider any ideas that didn't originate in her own mind.

While she is exceptionally intelligent and hard-working, her usefulness in Obama's administration would be contigent on him utterly bending to her will; not because she believes she deserves anything, but because she believes that she's "right" and he's "unfortunate". She would have to be treated in the same manner as her husband; kept under lock and key to avoid embarassment, except for tailor made situations where she can act unilaterally towards a specific and isolated goal, after which she would be returned to storage.

Hillary has great potential, but unfortunately the inflexible and sanctimonious aspects of her character render her useless in a cooperative atmosphere. I realize many a president has had a VP that he didn't trust or work closely with, but that typically has been because he had no choice. Despite what Hillary's vociferous supporters may say, Obama can win this without her. He doesn't owe her anything and she won't benefit his administration. He need not go with someone who is forced upon him. Kennedy did that and it didn't work out too well.

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wyl5326 — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:42:25 GMT

Hill is no smart woman, but just a mediocre one who happens to have good staff. She is an eager show horse to impress others like how shallow waters runs loudly. If she is that smart, she would have been the nominee, and how she bankrupted her campaign is another indication of her shallowness. In this primary, she just snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and in her desperate attempt to salvage at least for a draw, managed to hoodwinked lots of voters that she is the winner of popular vote with lies like the fantastic fairy tale of sniper fire. She is just after her own glory and would do anything to get it. I was an initial admirer of her long before Bill got the nomination, but started to question her character after Hillarycare debacle and her weird hairdo parade is the confirmation of that character craving for adoration.

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Chaya — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:05:11 GMT

We will hold our noses and vote for Sen.Mccain, come November.If anyone thinks we will give up our fight for our voices heard,they are bigger fools than we thought! If push comes to shove we will give money and actively work for Mccain.So just don't mess with us.

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sjpersonal — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:20:06 GMT

Chaya,

you know the threats from some of you are getting to be really old along with the woe with me they hurt my feelings, victim roll. Man up so to speak, this was a contest. Those of you who are claiming that Sen. Clinton has been raped, I think that you mean emotionally? disrespected, hurt, treated beastly etc. Really need to decide who you believe Sen. Clinton really is. Is she this magnificent warrior, or is she this weak, fragile little woman who has to be handled with kid gloves so as to not hurt her feelings? As a woman the latter is extremely insulting.

I believe that it was Sen. Clinton who told Sen. Obama that "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"

I am a Obama supporter but I am an American first so had she won I would have definitely voted for her for as one of her supporters stated "The absolute worst thing that could happen would be for McCain to get into the WH! I will never understand how you as such a hardcore Clinton supporter could ever consider voting for someone whose policy positions are totally opposite of Sen. Clintons. This man has absolutely no respect for our rights as women to our own bodies, the right to equal pay etc.

So while you are planning the overthrough of the DNC, Newsweek, MSNBC, CNN and every other news organization. While you are planning to vote McCain into the WH out of anger and spite, think on this. If a significant number of Clinton supporters are the cause of McCain winning, everytime you see clips of flag drapped coffins being returned to the US, everytime you see a clip of McCain's hypocritical ass comforting parents or spouces of fallen soldiers, when the quality of American life plummets.

You look in the mirror, pat yourself on the back smile and say "I DID THIS THIS IS WHAT I WORKED SO HARD FOR" OH by the way you will also contribute to the total distruction of Sen. Clinton's political career.

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Core Democrat in Texas — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:44:26 GMT

A vote for Obama is a vote for the media.

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Gaias Child — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:57:12 GMT

My thinking here is that if Clinton had said it differently about who should be first on the ticket, she would be more acceptable as a running mate now. Imagine if she had said something like, it would be an honor to run together no matter who comes out on top. My intuition is that she had intended to take Wesley Clark as her running mate and not Obama. Of course there's no way to know but there was that impression when Wesley Clark campaigned for her. Has anyone ever wondered if she would have offered it to Obama? I'm sure she would not. The Clintons are first competitive and when their edge slips, coercive and recriminating. So her running mate would have been someone else. Let's hope his is too.

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MAUFIT — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:12:13 GMT

I don't think that Obama will choose Hillary as his VP - has anybody seen Wright, Pfeger and Trinity Church villying the Clintons on tv? Obama will listen to Wright and Pfeger more that he will listen to the 18 million votes for Hillary.

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gilesjp — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:37:57 GMT

@Chanya:

People like you make no sense, you are not issue voters just voting for icons. Its funny when women vote for people like McCain who dropped his 1st wife like an hot potato just because she was disfigured in a car accident. Also this guy has a horrible voting record for womens issues. Thats why there is so much sexism and misogyny in our society because you women are dum to vote for those who keep you down and spit in the eye of those who try to uplift you.

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nana4 — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:50:37 GMT

I don't want her to be the VP choice. It would pain me not to vote for her but I would not vote for that ticket. I am voting straight Republican as a Protest Vote against the Democratic Party, the DNC, The Endorsers, The Not So Super Delegates, the electorate process, the caucases, the MI and FLA fiasco, the RBC Committee, the do nothing Congress and the wimpy Senate, and the candidate himself, his campaign, his scanty record of accomplishment, and his thick record of questionable ideology and relationships, the fanatic fervor that has replaced reason, and a campaign of Hope fueled by Hate and encouraged and perpetrated by the bloggers of his group and by the media/press. I can live with 4 years of McCain better than I can with all of that. I hope Republicans will energize themselves and go vote with me. You need to weigh all things, not just a narrow focus and do what is in the best interest of democracy.

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olderwiser — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:51:22 GMT

Some really complicated Clinton generated things happened in the later stages of the primary race. Some by Bill and some by Hillary. But I got the impression that it was a decision to go for broke and either drag Obama down and win, or lose, and just forget the possibility of trying to be vice president. Asking to be vice president now is totally inconsistent, as an example, with the Clintons declaring a number of times that Obama couldn't beat Mc Cain in November. You just can't get here from there, so to speak.

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olderwiser — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:57:26 GMT

Hey, Nana4, I like that structure. Really complex. Sort of like a Shakespeare play with villains skulking around in the background. We all vote for our reasons, but yours has class. Lots of conflicting reasons. This is not a criticism. You vote like a work of art. It's hard to know what everybody is thinking when they plink that voting switch, but I owe you for allowing me to peek into your vote. Get 'em.

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Democrat Fran — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:18:20 GMT

Posted By: Chaya (June 12, 2008 at 6:05 PM)

Chaya, I'm assuming your constant use of the word "we" instead of "I" is a desperate attempt to make yourself sound a bit more plausible? Maybe if you say "we" Obama and his supporters will shake in their shoes and go "ooohhh, we're scared. It's not just Chaya, it's a lot more people." I find it so funny when I read comments like these because almost always, they'll mention how it's not just them but their families, friends etc. Well, stop saying it. You sound like an old broken down record. Go ahead and do it!!! Who is stopping you? Frankly, you're just like a child at play. You and whoever "we" is!

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:24:25 GMT

Some people just can't take disappointment and threaten rash things when it happens. Fortunately, here it is only paper votes at stake. Some of these people cause physical harm when family relations are involved. The worst is when children happen to be present and take either the emotional or physical punishment meted out in revenge.

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:25:38 GMT

But Chaya is right. Whoever votes for Mc Cain really ought to hold their nose while voting.

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lawadem — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:13:47 GMT

No one has anything "tied up" yet. The election hasn't happened; there's a lot more potshots to come. McCain is a bad choice for a number of reasons, not the least that he wants to continue along the path of the current administration. I admire his war record but fear his attitude towards women, choice and spending. This is no time for a protest vote. It's time for real change. Anyone with a mortgage, a grocery bill, healthcare needs, investments for retirement (that are tanking) and without a choice about driving to work (not everyone has access to mass transit), knows status quo is not the answer. It is very frightening to those of us who follow world and US politics and economics. Think before you choose - the results reach far beyond the next four years.

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ajon1600 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:28:22 GMT

I agree... Hillary Clinton's negatives are equal to any pluses she will bring to the ticket. Additionally, we know that former President Bill Clinton will always be there to force his comments in to any microphone that happens to be in the area.

The Clintons had their run.. Now it is time for a new direction. I fail to understand how so many in the country can still support HRC after all the lies she pathologically repeated during the primary campaign... Is this what we really want to represent us on the world stage?

If HRC is on the ticket, we may as well get ready for all of the previous baggage from the Clinton years to resurface..Frankly, I really feel America is tired of it...

We need to start from scratch and let Senator Obama pick his administration. That comes with winning it all.

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loriw — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:40:54 GMT

To quote Tired and old...

"ABC

ANYONE BUT CLINTON"

and Likeitis

"I see many cons but no pros"

Can't stand the Clintons, want them kept as far away from the White House as possible. Liars both, crooks both, Bill treats all women like sex objects and Hillary condones it. The Clintons went out with the last century let's bring progress into the White House this century. Have a POTUS that we can really look up to and no hillbilly drama in the VP position!!! We had 8 years of hillbilly drama and it was 8 years too many.

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C. MacLean — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:44:43 GMT

HIlary Clinton should hold out for Attorney General. Then she can prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez and Rice for treason against the Constitution of the United States. It would be her most shining triumph, and one she is well suited for.

VP should go to someone like Governor Schweitzer of Montana, a democrat who has savvy economic credentials, speaks fluent Arabic, has done some really innovative things in Montana in terms of energy policy, and is pro-gun and pro-hunter - he would help bring blue collar whites to the ticket, for sure.

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sjpersonal — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:41:56 GMT

LIKEITIS, Please stop using the US Obama people line. Contrary to what you might think we all do need one another to beat McCain. That is the important thing. There is no reason to insult an entire group of people. Most of us are trying to get past all of the negativity that went on during the primary. There is still a lot of ignorance, hate, racism an sexism on these boards regarding both Obama and Hillary. She lost he won we, democrats have a nominee.

unfortunately there will be those like Chaya who choose to vote their anger and spite. Which is extremely stupid on their part. We cannot change people like that. They do not care about the issues they only cared about getting a woman into the white house also please understand that these types of women would have never considered voting for Obama and yes I do believe that a large part of their ire is due to the color of his skin as demonstrated by a lot of the posts on these boards and the interviews given by several of Clinton's supporters.

I say this because if it was, for them, truly about the issues there would be no way in hell that they would consider voting for Bush II.

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loriw — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:52:21 GMT

Here are some examples of tickets I would like to see Hillary Clinton's name on....

PARKING TICKET--- for trying to park her butt on the Obama ticket.

SPEEDING TICKET-- "Really officer I was only going 18million in a 15 million zone"

DUI- for traveling between states in a drunken stupor during the primary season

INDECENT EXPOSURE--- OOPS that ticket should be reserved for BILL CLINTON

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loriw — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:59:09 GMT

"Hillary should hold out for Attorney general......" McLean, surely you jest!

That would be like the fox guarding the hen house.

Hillary can't tell the truth from a lie and you want her to be Attorney General????

Let's see she told us that she was under sniper fire and believed Bill when he told us all that he did not have sex with that woman. She loves Bill Clinton, the man that lost his law license for perjury while POTUS?

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bob-Australia — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:59:59 GMT

Guys

Lot has been said about Obama and Hillary.

What do we know about Obama except his biography and lofty ideals.He has no track record. Yes he is a good guy with all good intentions; likeable character; yes we are giving a chance to promote a man of african lineage as a role model to the African American youth to show case where they can get in. That's fine & acceptable. There is no point in criticising Clinton. Are we saying that all these politicians are saints- NO. Yes Obama is yet to develop and blossom. That does not mean he should not allow Clinton. All these surveys etc; will be a white wash if there is compulsory voting system in US. Get on with life invite Hillary; ask her to work hard and get on with life. Not allowing clinton gives a poor message for Obama. He will guaranteedly going to fumble. As Democrat leaning people, we should encourage this Dream Ticket and oust Bush policies. People writing that clintonism is over are wrong. They are creating circulation and enhancing readership with these articles and blogs. Anyone with head over shoulder knows how Clinton manipulated US supremacy. Dont forget. Oratory is good for politicians but it wont reduce pressures of working people in US.Think radically and practically please.

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:16:52 GMT

Don't do it Hillary .... distance yourself from this gury as much as possible and wait out the storm

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mega — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:20:43 GMT

there are a big different between the subject of former presidential election for Bush, Kerry, and the new election between Obama , McCain- in the first case the war in Afghanistan and its international cover was stile the compressor element on the voters

the volume of real information about the war in Iraq and its trails was not known for the voters as a settled fact beside the limit of the

losses of troops victims and pelf's according to the prices which the American society pied -----so the former generation which depend on the war as a basic idea to solve the international problems for along time they can not change their mind now and they can not make the change which new generation needed in the future its fault comparison between the tow presidential election

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dinahfayewood — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:39:49 GMT

Why is this even being discussed? An Obama/Clinton "dream" ticket is ridiculous except among dreamers who obviously have no grasp of reality.

Like Mitt Romney said "The idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do scares me." Scares me too. Have the dreamers forgotten how much weird baggage the Clinton's carry around with them?

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pramono — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:43:20 GMT

Vote for McCain he is the first choice as a substitute to HRC.

I will not risk the future of my children on the hot air called Obama. His Pastor (Wright) defined him as a cheat and a lier" and he knows him first hand for 20 years.

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jp6815 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:24:17 GMT

Hillary would bring experience, strength, substance to policy changes and good judgement, all things lacking in Obama. I DON'T want Hillary as vice president. The pundits, elder DNC, Howard Dean and the super delegates wanted Obama from the beginning , now they have him. It is sink or swim time for them. Obama spends more time, telling the American people whats wrong with McCain and Washington, then spending time telling us what and how (with steps) he will make the needed changes. After , spending more time listening to McCain , he does make sense about many things, more so than Obama. I changed to an independent, for the mess the democratic party is in. I strongly believe in one person-one vote , the democratic party has proven not to have the same ideals and beliefs that I have.

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:26:47 GMT

Don't do it HIllary ... this is a man who cannot be trusted ... wait it out ... let him have his moment ... when all goes to hell you don't want to be anywhere near the mess, because you will get blamed for everything. Stay low and wait it out, circle around a few years from now, BUT STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:22 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:54 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:33:22 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!

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MotherofMilhouse — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:37:29 GMT

Poor little Vakosh-no imagination or vocabulary.

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:41:50 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!!! - go the website - new movement!

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:42:25 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN - go to the website

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:43:01 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN - go to the website

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wm1122 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:44:11 GMT

“But as her chances of overtaking Obama's delegate lead dwindled ..., aides and associates began reviving talk of a "dream ticket... None was more vocal than the former president. "He is definitely talking it up, ...George Stephanopoulos reported May 23 ..." By the time Clinton signaled in New York on June 3 that she would start to wind down her presidential campaign, behind the scenes, her next political push--a bid for the vice presidency--was already up and running... Clinton was "leaving] the door open" in private, according to a top strategist "Many of her supporters believe if she's not nominated she must be on the ticket."

Isn’t it interesting that now that she is out of the race she is now being touted as the logically appropriate person to be the VP on the ticket. However, if you remember throughout the campaign whenever anyone the press and or those who supported her brought up the subject of the “dream ticket” it was in the context that she would be the nominee and he the VP. Not many in and/or outside of her campaign thought for a minute that she would not dust Obama. Now that the hand writing is on the wall so to speak there is this Rangeling (pun intended) to secure her a place as VP. How duplicitous can one be? He is not good enough, does not have experience enough, cannot be trusted enough to answer the telephone at 3:00 am, has not been in the Senate long enough, cannot deliver the working class vote enough, did not reject Wright enough, etc. I’ve had enough because why would you want to be on the ticket that according to her and her surrogates was just a one way ticket to nowhere. Throw mama off the train? Now don’t let her on the train. Enough already!

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meganodell — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:46:36 GMT

That is the dumbest, most immature and irresponsible comment I have seen so far in this election season. God forbid McCain go into office and God Bless these Democrats for taking on the task of disarming the GOP army of evil!!!

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meganodell — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:48:23 GMT

I was referring to the Democrats for McCain website comments. Clarification.

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jodi23 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:01:29 GMT

I joined the fight for women's rights and the democratic party at age 18 and have voted democrat every time. This primary season, I wondered where the democrats were.I watched as the media treated Hillary to sexist and slanderous commentary and wondered where the democrats were. A while back there was a TV host that while reviewing a basket ball game said the words "nappy hesded hoes" and there was outrage. We saw jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Civil Rights Association all outraged..........but where were they now. This was Hillary, a woman that has worked all her life for equal rights for all and better education for all but when media called her a "B**** there were smirks and no outrage. Where were Jesse Jackson and AL Sharpton and where was DNC Chairman, Howard Dean? For young voters please do research and learn about the rights you just lost. It is typical that in the work place, when the superiors decide they want a new young person in your position,.....you will be called a "B**** and that will be the cause for termination.Where was Dean when Obama was rewriting the rules for nomination or at least convincing the public through media that this game was over while he was still 400 delegates from the required number? Obama would say that he had won "most pledged delegates", "most states" and "most popular votes". But Dean knew that the required number of delegates could not be met with "pledged" delegates alone and that it would require that Super Delegates decide on the nominee. Why didn't Dean explain to the public that Super Delegates have the responsibility to decide the nominee based on which is the "most electable candidate" and having nothing what so ever to do with who won the "most states"? Why would Super Delegates back a candidate which they know can not and will not win the general election? Simple! It is because they believe that they will lose black votes which keep them in office. So let's show them how many votes they will lose when they ignore women's rights. This primary has been an out and out attack on women's rights and if it is allowed to go unanswered we will have no more rights than an Iranian woman.STAND UP FOR EQUAL RIGHTS VOTE McCAIN BY DEFAULT

1) Supreme Court Justices must have majority senate approval......means McCain can not nominate a justice that the dems do not approve and therefore Roe V Wade will remain.

2) 4 years of McCain is much better than a lifetime without equal rights.

3) Iraq war is ending and MCain will oversee the withdrawal much better than Obama.

4)Universal Health Care is not something that Obama can handle and we are much better off to wait the 4 years for Hillary to be elected and handle universal Health Care.This is not a matter of whether or not to burn your bra, this is a matter of whether or not your daughters will have equal rights in the work place.

There is a law that allows co-presidency and that is the only way I would vote Democrat this year is if Hillary is co-President not vice President.

VOTE McCAIN by default HILLARY 2012

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News and Notes — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:06:23 GMT

As a life long Democrat I am shocked at how many Obama supporters are still bashing Hillary, even though the primary is over! It would be in Obama's best interest to select Hillary as Vice President, because it would increase his chances of winning! It doesn't matter if there are others who he likes more, or would prefer to work with, becuase if he selects anyone else, he may never get the chance to work with them! We need to do everything we can to get a Democratic President sworn in on January 20, 2009. That having been said, stop the Hillary bashing, because you are bashing fellow Democrats.

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:09:51 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yard signs, t-shirts available

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4mygirl — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:10:17 GMT

I hope Obama doesn't pick Hillary. I don't want her on the ticket. I want her for President, not VP. Go Hillary 2012

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CEPHALUS — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:41:21 GMT

People please,these troll are not Hillary's supporters,they are just trying to get you divided.

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kag0roq — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:50:38 GMT

I hope Hillary is offered and will take the VP position.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:53:27 GMT

I think Caroline Kennedy will never present Hillary as someone seriously considered for the vice presidential position. She and Sen. Kennedy came out early for Obama because they found him refreshing and exciting and her to be someone laden with baggage. I don't think there's a chance in the world she'll get it and I think she knows it.

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BenMurphyNYC — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:55:32 GMT

Hillary was brutalized by the media year and she always stayed smiling, I don't know how she kept smiling but it was inspiring.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:59:34 GMT

I think the smile pictured on the left looks like she's crazed. I thought so the whole primary season. Obama's smile is warm and real. Hers look like the cat that ate the canary.

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Saltydog_0 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:03:43 GMT

Jodi23,

Who in the press called Hillary a B****?

Why do you believe those who don't support Hillary are sexist?

Are you a racist?

Obviously you are extremely upset. Fine. I get it. But why, in your eyes, is this election a referendum on Women's rights? Who are these misogynists that attack Hillary based on her gender? The media? Politicians? Please give names.

What Women's Rights issues have been debated during this campaign that cause you to believe "this primary has been an out and out attack on women's rights"? The only Women's rights issue that I've heard discussed is Roe V Wade, and Obama's definitely on your side concerning that issue.

Please understand jodi23. I'm not trying to personally attack you. I genuinely am confused by your assertion of sexism and would like some sort of explanation as to your rational. Where? Who? When? I didn't see sexism. What did I miss?

Now, I know there have been a couple of instances where some yahoo in a crowd yelled "Iron my shirts!" or something equally inane, but that kind of thing happens to every candidate. Hell, Obama has withstood a concerted effort to falsely label him a Muslim extremist. Even Hillary's own campaiogn has jumped on the slander bandwagon by releasing photos of him wearing "Muslim-looking" attire during a diplomatic trip. But I wouldn't say the campaign overall was racist because of the actions of a few, well actually, more than a few idiotic xenophobes.

It has been my impression that the mainstream have given Clinton great respect DUE to her being a woman and that she lost the election DESPITE her gender. I honestly believe that voters rejected Clinton based on personality; not gender. I wonder how we can see the same series of events over the past year and come to such different conclusions. Surely if someone in the mainstream, a politician, pundit or reporter, called her a B**** I would have heard about it. Surely if someone had said she wasn't fit to serve BECAUSE OF HER GENDER, folks would be up in arms. I would! But I never heard that kind of thing.

Who? When? Where? Is it possible that the great misogynist cabal exists only in your mind?

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stacon — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:11:55 GMT

As anybody's VP Hilary is a poor choice, notwithstanding the voters she'd bring. She has demonstrated that she is no team player. Her ambition(s) are far more important in the grand scheme than loyalty, whether it is to party, process, rules and yes, Obama. She can help him in other ways to unite the base and Obama can reward her with another post other than VP.

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Emanuel — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:16:21 GMT

This is my fifth presidential election and I have never seen the press make such a big deal about a VP pick.

If anything, this will assure Hillary Clinton of NOT being selected. She draws too much attention to herself. Bill doesn't help either.

I'm hearing more buzz about Joe Biden as his pick. My original pick was Chuck Hagel, and my backup was Katherine Sebelius.

I seriously doubt Al Gore would do 8 more years as a VP... sorry, Carville.

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repaite@msn.com — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:40:00 GMT

Hillary is too smart to accept the VP position...Since O-bomb-a will not hold the oval office longer than Christmas...she would be the 1st suspect for his being....... ( you know) !

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:40:02 GMT

The "Iron My Shirts" stunt was staged by the Clinton campaign. Totally phony. Hillary is being forced on Sen. Obama. She would not be where she is if she wasn't a presidential spouse who made nice in unpleasant circumstances. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. There are many other qualified women in the Democratic party - Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer just to name a couple. What has she actually done?

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:40:59 GMT

who cares .... Obama is going to lose anyway

Democrats for McCain/Romney 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

re: The Obama Veepwatch, Vol. 4: Hillary Clinton

rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:54:14 GMT

The polls say otherwise ...

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:54:29 GMT

The polls say otherwise ...

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on pins — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:04:49 GMT

I agree that because of Hillary's aggressive nature, Obama would have Hell to pay in his attempt to accomplish his goals. Also, because this campaign has been so long, I have grown to know Hillary and the unscrupulous person she is. She would always try to upstage and undermine him, seeking credit where it would not necessarily be due. Additionally, I feel she would frequenly try to sabotoge his efforts, which would clearly display her begrudged feelings of his having taken "her candicacy" away.

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jodi23 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:07:42 GMT

saltydog: It amazes me that people can watch and read the same misleading media and come to such different conclusions. Here are some examples but if you google "media calls Hillary a "B***" there is much more.

CNN:

Republican strategist and CNN contributor Alex Castellanos responded to criticism of a joke that referred to Hillary Clinton as a "***" by saying, "[S]ome women, by the way, are named that and it's accurate."

March 19, 2007.......note the date it began:

Beck calls Hillary "stereotypical ***"

Hillary Clinton cannot be elected president because -- am I wrong in feeling, am I the only one in America that feels this way? -- that there's something about her vocal range. There's something about her voice that just drives me -- it's not what she says, it's how she says it. She is like the stereotypical -- excuse the expression, but this is the way to -- she's the stereotypical ***, you know what I mean? She's that stereotypical, nagging, [unintelligible], you know what I mean? And she doesn't have to be saying -- she could be saying happy things, but after four years, don't you think every man in America will go insane? Is it just me?

Regardless of how you feel about Hillary, there's no excuse for this kind of misogyny.

(On his show the next day, Beck added, "I never said that Hillary Clinton -- excuse the language -- I never said that Hillary Clinton was a ***. I said she sounded like one.")

Jan 7, 2008The Sexist Media Mugging of Hillary Clinton

What kind of progressive American leader would stand silent, supporting with the cold reserve of ambition the disgracefully sexist, blatantly anti-feminist attack on a well-respected woman of the same party, a political foe perhaps, but a national Democratic leader?

Barack Obama - so far.

Make no mistake, Obama's breakthrough says something wonderful about the state of racial politics in our nation - or perhaps the lack of racial politics - and the involvement of young people in politics. But his silence in the case of the cynical media lynching of Hillary Clinton by a national press corps obsessed with her gender is telling. And unless Barack Obama speaks out, his campaign's chilling acceptance of the gender bias stirred by our national media will also remind many of Ronald Reagan's acceptance of the race-baiting southern strategy - because if Obama accepts the presidency, at least in part, because of abject sexism, a brutal gender attack on a female rival - the most famous female Democrat in history - he will set feminism in our country back a generation.

There is no hope for John Edwards, of course. His cruel, stony reaction to the news that Senator Clinton got a little emotional during a New Hampshire diner visit was a window on the man's soul, a window into an empty room.

But Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope. He is the secular messiah of the Democratic Party, ordained by Oprah Winfrey as the chosen one and given to preaching about transcending petty politics. Yet there he was at the New Hampshire debate, throwing a scornful "compliment" at his rival when asked about Senator Clinton's "likability," one of the many sexist code words deployed against her in this race. "She's likable enough," he smirked, looking downward.

I think every woman reading this post knows exactly how Hillary Clinton felt in that moment.

Obama has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. And that sexism is starting to be noticed, and commented on - even in places you don't expect it. John Cole, to say the least, is no Hillary Clinton fan but the gender-based attacks have gotten to him:

Quite frankly, I hate to say this, but I think what we are actually seeing is a double-standard here, and the feminists may be right. This is all about Hillary being a woman. John Edwards has been 150 times as angry the whole campaign, and has built his entire campaign around it. Howard Dean was angry, and people lapped it up. Here, Hillary isn’t really angry, just matter-of-fact and frustrated, and people are giving her ***.

I don’t want Hillary as President, but it sure looks to me like she isn’t getting a fair shake and is being subjected to a double standard. It’s bullshit.

Then there was Clinton's flash of anger in the same debate as the two men teamed up to bash her - she showed her anger, something male candidates (think McCain) do every debate, and was promptly accused of having a "meltdown." More people are beginning the see this media lynching as a negative story for Democrats of truly historic; here's Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly:

Am I feeling bitter? You bet. Not because Hillary Clinton seems more likely than not to lose — I can live with that pretty easily — but because of how she's likely to lose. Because the press doesn't like her. Because any time a woman raises her voice half a decibel she instantly becomes shrill.

Nor is it all men, on the attack, sadly. At TalkLeft, blogger Jeralyn shares an email from a reader:

I have a question that I don't see anyone talking about right now and that is the disturbing behavior I see from women toward Hillary Clinton.

I belong to other on-line forums -- Democratic forums -- and I see women referring to Hillary as "bitchy", "catty", "shrill", "ugly" and some too bad to mention. Most of these come from women supporting Obama. The idol worship and willingness to throw their gender under the bus in order to elect Obama is disturbing.

My question is, what happens when the campaign is over and women realize that they have set themselves back ....Will they be surprised?

It's ugly, the MoDo Syndrome - not something lefties believe exists on our side. But it's there. Taylor Marsh is right - the reaction to a little emotion, a little fire from the leading woman in American political history may be too much. Maybe we're not ready for a female president.

Hillary quite simply let them have it. Women everywhere know how she feels. There isn't one person in business or any level of professional life, even college, who hasn't had it happen to them. But having a woman show it in public? It's an emotional cleavage moment inspired by a flash in time when weaker men joined together to take their more formidable female adversary down through a round robin rough up.

You could see it in the fire and flash in her eyes.

This is a defining moment in American history. To see if we can grow up from "***" to "strength," while appreciating that an infuriated woman standing up for herself and her record is a sign of real heart, passion of conviction and determination. It all depends if America likes the look of feminine power when it's released through a flash of fire in a potential commander in chief's eye.

Has America grown out of their June Clever syndrome, finally ready for our Golda Meir moment? We don't know the answer to this question yet. But from the signs I'm seeing today, I wouldn't take the bet.

Me either. At the start of the campaign, I didn't think the national media could possibly be successful in an anti-woman campaign against a Democrat. I thought surely that the left wouldn't allow it, that the rest of the Democratic field - avowed feminists all - would object, and object loudly. I may be proved wrong. And Barack Obama is silent.

I have heard both Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann also call Hillary a "B****" anlong with sooooo many sexist remarks.

This game is over because by November the majority of democratic women will begin to see the reality here. If Obama is elected, womens rights are set back 20 years.

Add to the sexist campaign Obama allowed and encouraged to happen, the facts that Obama rewrote the DNC rules. The rules say the candidate that wins 2118 delegates and niether could. That meant Super dels had to nominate one of them and they chose to save their elected positions as Senators ect by not pissing off the black voters. I say that they have mande a grave error in judgement as the loss of even 10% of the women democratic voters will cause the dems to lose as they should this year. DEMOCRATS AS THE PARTY OF EQUAL RIGHTS HAVE NO RIGHT TO WIN IN A YEAR THAT THEY CHOSE TO ABANDON WOMENS RIGHTS TO SAVE THEIR OWN SEATS AND PAYCHECKS. BIG MISTAKE!!

McCAIN 2008 HILLARY 2012

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:13:15 GMT

I always thought that the Clintons were extra politically savvy, but I think that sending a public clue that you would accept the vice presidency was a gross political mistake. First, it is the first time that I can remember anyone ever doing such a thing. Second, it invites a really complex strife in the party and in many voters, both those for her and for Obama, if she really is not welcome in the Obama campaign. I consider it an extremely presumptuous and erroneous act. She may still be the cause of Democratic failure of some sort in November. I hope that it wasn't on purpose. Vindication hardly falls lower than this, and I presume that it was some momentary carelessness.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:15:53 GMT

I never said Hillary was a b____. I do find her unpleasant and terribly old-school. Of course a woman president is coming! It will never be her. The Democrat party has spoken. It will seem like "Here we go again" fatigue when she tries again in 2016. Besides, she'll be practically 70. She needs to move on and so do her supporters.

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:20:14 GMT

Well jodi23 that is a unique idea that you have there. That Obama should not accept the presidency if he wins because some in the media criticized his opponent in the primaries. It also negates the Clinton declaration that politics is a contact sport. We would literally never have a president if the winners of the office refused to accept their election based on such conduct. Oh well, maybe we don't need a president anyway. Certainly didn't need the one we have endured the past eight years.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:24:07 GMT

I think the Clintons script everything. There was no "momentary carelessness". Everything goes through the lens of "How will this help us?" If Sen. Obama doesn't win in 2008,, some have said Hillary wil have a big "I told you so" moment. I think if he doesn't win (and I think he will), Hillary will be seen as a self-serving villian and no one will want to see her face or hear her shrilly voice in 2012, trust me.

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jodi23 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:24:49 GMT

olderwiser: I hope that Hillary will not accept the VP position under such sexist, racist man who will lose with or without Hillary on the ticket. The democrats will lose but they will lose because of their great failure in following their own rules and for failing to stand up for equal rights of women during this campaign. The wise person reads the rules and comprehends rather than takes msnbc or cnn word for it.

BUT Have you missed the whole Mike Huckabee push for VP?

wiser yet?

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:27:34 GMT

Hillary lost. She put herself out there, ran her hardest and the majority of the voters said, "No, thanks." Democrat voters are not sexist. They're also not interested in what she was selling.

Obama/Boxer or Obama/Richardson '08

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:27:53 GMT

Thanks to you, jodi23, I am now wiser.

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jodi23 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:28:45 GMT

olderwiser (June 13, 2008 at 12:20 ) SAID:

Sweetie, I did not say that Obama should not accept the Presidency if he wins. I did say that Obama will never win due to his sexist and racist behavior. Is comprehension a problem for the older wiser commentor....perhaps alzheimers?

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:31:03 GMT

Yuck, how unkind. Imagine that an unpleasant Hillary supporter....

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:32:27 GMT

By the way, jodi23, I was referring to the quote below taken from your dissertation which seemed to me to fault Obama for accepting the presidency and setting feminism back. Mea culpa, if I didn't understand your meaning. Still, we could do without a president, I guess.

"because if Obama accepts the presidency, at least in part, because of abject sexism, a brutal gender attack on a female rival - the most famous female Democrat in history - he will set feminism in our country back a generation."

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:37:17 GMT

She's not the most famous female Democrat in history. She's not even the most famous Democratic First Lady. Elenor Roosevelt and Jackie Kennedy have her beat by a country mile and always will.

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:37:22 GMT

I like the sweetie part, jodi232, and the alzheimers, too. A graduate of the Clinton contact sport college of political debate, no doubt. A one way street if there ever was one. No problem, no umbrage taken.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:41:47 GMT

The JODI123's of the world are the only ones shedding tears for Hillary. The rest of us have moved on and looking forward to President Obama. Hillary's unlikeability doomed her. And her supporters are just like her - bitter and angry.

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jodi23 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:46:08 GMT

olderwiser: Read again as comprehension is the problem. The author is clearly not suggesting that if elected, anyone should not accept.

By November folks and especially women will have realizes the main issue here is not which man takes office. The main issue going forward is womens rights and following the rules of the DNC rather than rewriting them to nominate a lesser candidate because he is male. That is the issue. Now if you are woman , then you are a fool to vote Obama and if you are male and expect your wife to earn money or your daughter to earn money equal to her male counterparts, then you will vote NOBAMA...

VOTE McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

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olderwiser — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:48:25 GMT

I have discovered the method for smoking out Mc Cain's supporters who pose as abused Hillary supporters. They really come back at you fast, will some glaring insults added, when you add a really good anti-Bush quip in your blog. There is a lot of this on the blogs, basically an effort to create dissatisfaction in those ladies who were understandably disappointed when Hillary lost in an effort to turn them against the democratic nominee. I know some of those personally who supported Hillary. It was a close and agonizing result for them, and am totally sympathetic to their feelings. I just don't know what else that I can do for them.

re: The Obama Veepwatch, Vol. 4: Hillary Clinton

rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:49:03 GMT

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" -jodi123

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Hope Hill — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:49:28 GMT

IF OBAMA AND THE MEDIA WERE THINKING ABOUT THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY AND OF THE MIDDLE AND POOR CLASS, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE THINKING IN CHOOSING ANYBODY ELSE BUT HILLARY. WHAT IS ALL THE BALONY ABOUT BEING AFRAID THAT THE MEDIA WILL GIVE THEM PROBLEMS WITH BILL CLINTON'S PROBLEMS????!!!! THAT IS RIDICULOUS!!! ARE OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN AFRAID OF THE MEDIA & THE FAR RIGHT REPUBLICANS?? WHO RULES THE COUNTRY?? IT IS PURE PERSONAL INSECURITY.

THE WHOLE WORLD LOVE AND RESPECT THE CLINTONS, EXCEPT THE MEDIA AND THE FAR RIGHT REPUBLICANS OF THIS COUNTRY.

HILLARY IS NOT INTERESTED IN COMPETING WITH HIM IN THE PRESIDENCY, ALL THAT SHE CARES ABOUT IS THIS COUNTRY AND THE MIDDLE AND POOR CLASS, ALL THAT SHE WANTS IS TO HELP; SHE KNOWS WHAT IT IS TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, SHE IS FAMOUS AND RICH; SHE DOES NOT CARE WHO IS SMARTER OR HAS MORE POWER. FOR HER ALL OF THAT IS BALONEY!!

Hope Hill

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News and Notes — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:50:55 GMT

Rainbow68 must be on the short list to speak at McCain's inauguration. Hillary got about half of the votes in the democratic primary. To continue to insult Hillary and her supporters after the primaries have ended is not only counterproductive and divisive, but does not promote unity within the party, nor does it help Obama

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:55:13 GMT

Hillary lost, fair and square. The voters ultimately rejected her. I am fully capable of understanding the issues without the media's assistance, thank you very much. Some of you act like we're sheep, following the media's lead. Sorry, it's not the truth. We just don't like Hillary and believe in our nominee, Barack Obama.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:03:05 GMT

I'm not on anybody's list, but I'll say I'm really sick of hearing Hillary supporters saying that because she didn't win the nomination that they will take their marbles and go home. Most of these people seem to be women. I am a woman also. I happen to vote for candidates with character and a vision for this country. I do not vote based on a candidate's private parts. Senator Obama is a breath of fresh air. The economy is tanking. I'm hardly using the car because of gas prices, and trying to feed a family of four has gotten a lot harder recently. We also need to bring our soldiers home as soon as possible. One of the soldiers who have been in dangerous places is my cousin. I take all of these issues very seriously. To be so petty as to say you won't vote Democrat is because Hillary didn't win is to not take the issues very seriously when the stakes are so high.

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rangerjoe — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:12:24 GMT

For you Clinton supporters who are grasping for reasons not to vote for Oboma:

The ‘experienced’ Clinton was out campaigned by the ‘inexperienced’ Obama.

The ‘inexperienced’ Obama pulled in more campaign funds than the ‘experienced’ Clinton.

The ‘experienced’ Clinton didn’t start winning until AFTER McCain had his nomination locked up and Republicans (who would never vote for Clinton in November) voted for her because they knew that they could beat her in the general election.

The ‘experienced’ Clinton vocalized the possibility that Senator Obama could be assassinated.

The ‘experienced’ Clinton was consistently exposed to be lying (sometimes not reported until after she related them a few times) while the only thing that the press could ‘get’ on the ‘inexperienced’ Obama was that he didn’t wear a lapel pin and his former pastor was alleged to have made unpatriotic statements.

Hopefully, between now and November, you’ll actually use your brain and recognize that the ‘inexperienced’ Obama LED the greatest come-from-behind campaign in history.

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News and Notes — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:23:27 GMT

Why don't more Obama supporters GIVE Hillary supporters reasons TO vote for Obama, rather than pointing out reasons why you THINK they don't want to vote for Obama? That is counter intuitive, and divisive. If someone really could read the minds of 18 million Hillary supporters, THEY would be the presidential nominee!

I am truly and increasingly AMAZED that there are Obama supporters who are still insulting and bashing Hillary and her Democratic supporters! What happended to party unity? A better campaigner is not always the better president.

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gilesjp — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:28:18 GMT

Hillary lost this election because the majority of democrats don't want her, not because of sexism or misogyny.She failed because of her own short comings and low moral character not because the world was against her. Also being a women has done nothing but help her, only a woman can parlay being a 1st lady (which is an honorific not a job) into a run for the presidency of the united states. Hillarybots who will vote for McCain are doing themselves and the country a disservice. No Obama shouldn't put "kitchen sink " Hillary on the ticket. No Obama should not pay down the unprecedented 30 million in debt her reckless fiscally irresponsible campaign created. She is a big girl she can pay her own debt.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:30:31 GMT

I just call it as I see it. When I started reading all of the posts of supposed Democrats ending with "McCain 08", I was astonished. What else was I supposed to think but that this is petty reveng? Hillary and her supporters cannot threaten their way to the vice presidency. They should also not witthold support to their party's nominee. I tell you, I'm frustrated by what I've heard from Hillary supporters over the last few months. I'm baffled, too.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:33:27 GMT

Why should Obama use money donated to HIS campaign, that he needs to spend to beat McCain? Donors donated to HIM. Hillary is not only a "big girl " who can pay off her own debt. She's a very rich one, too.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:05:08 GMT

Hillary was not picked for president. She didn't win. She lost. It's over. Her opponent won. No matter how you say it, it's the truth. Deal with it.

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orion12 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:31:07 GMT

Obama has so many reasons not to pick Clinton as his running mate. This is not related to being vicious. Just plain strategic.

In fhe first place they will not get along. Clinton's is too pre-occupied with the desire to be president that she will not be a good and trustworthy number two. A careful look at the polls would indicate that Obama has a high chance of winning without her. She will be a liability with some voters. Obama has fresh ideas that do not correspond to Clinton's. They do not share the same vision in many respects. So she will, in a sense, dilute his approach. No, it would not be to Obama's advantage, overall, to pick her.

Now something that really is intriguing is the attitude of some Clinton supporters. You CANNOT impose Clinton on Obama. This is not done. It should not be tolerated. She did not lose because of sexism. She lost because she did a bad job. Period. So to go on complaining and trying to find scape-goates, and blaming men for her downfall is being dishonest. What makes her the only one qualified to be on Obama's ticket? I remember she was the better candidate, according to her. Why would she want to bring herself down to his level, by being his vice president? Is she desperate? I do not think that the majority of women who are making all this noise about sexism are thinking hard. In fact it is because of such behavior that sexism bares its fangs. People may not take them seriously. I can understand them being disappointed, but this was not a race on women's rights. We were not talking either of it being a race to be won by a black man. It was a race for a democratic candidate to win; white, black, woman, christian, jew, or whatever. Obama won, so why are women making so much of a big deal. Anyone had the right to win. It was not a position for a woman!!!

I think that to her own detriment Clinton started this wave. In fact, given her behavior after being beaten by Obama, she has turned off so many people who would have otherwise supported her with to be on the ticket. If she had being more gracious Obama and others may have considered her. But her attitude and now that of some of her supporters have created a resistance to her being on the ticket.

I think that Clinton should just forget about the VP position, and campaign for her party so as to gain back some respect. Right now, I think that even amongst those who were loyal to her, they may prefer another person for Obama.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:34:00 GMT

Hillary hung herself with the speech on the night of the Montana/South Dakota primaries. She was so defiant and so delusional that she turned many, many off.

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loriw — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:38:09 GMT

to Ranger Joe- you are exactly correct.

As to those who still ask "why do Obama supporters continue to bash Hillary?"

Some of us do not want the Obama ticket poisoned by the Clintons or worse yet, if Hillary manages to force her way onto the ticket, don't want to see Obama poisoned by the Clintons!

Some of us believe that Obama could win in November with the right VP (read NOT Hillary) and are not for "unifying the party.

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Obama Drama — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:46:54 GMT

the only "pulse" clinton brings is the one you reporters keep making up. Your constant putting Hillary down is causing you people to loose ratings. Why don't you people give it a rest.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:48:17 GMT

Hillary has allowed all of the vp message to "leak" all over the place. Very orchestrated, very calculated, very lame. We're so over the Clintons and their warmed-over 90's tactics.

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rainbow68 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:52:07 GMT

Tim Russert just died! Rest in peace. We'll miss you.

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Obama Drama — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:55:38 GMT

You know - it is Obama supporters and the media that make you hate Obama.

I will be voting for McCain - you know the one with a plan and the experience. The guy that the Dems keep tring to pool with Bush. Obama is a total lier and from all the people he keeps being friends with -he is a poor person of judgement. The promises he has made will not hold true - we have no money in the Us. Not even if we stopped the war today. This country in debt for at least 8 years. Obama is full of hot air only. He is selfish- just like in Chigago when he ran down 2 of his friends to win the STate and Us SEN. Just has he as treated Hillary - someone who campaingned in Il to help Obama get elected to the US sen. Obama - is someone who thinks he is the Jesus of today. He is not mine. He is fake, dishonest, disloyal, poor judgement ect.

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yupik1 — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:02:35 GMT

I thought it was VERY telling when James Carville came out and threw the idea of having Al Gore as VP. The fact that he didn't even mention Hillary as a VP option says alot. Did he send Obama $2,300 yet?

RIP Tim Russert....You will be missed.

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vakosh — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:16:14 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rangerjoe — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:17:27 GMT

News and Notes: My message which immediately precedes yours gave you several reasons why you should vote for Senator Obama. He LED a better campaign. That is not bashing Clinton; it’s a statement of fact. His management of the greatest come-from-behind campaign in history tells me that he’ll manage a great presidency.

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rangerjoe — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:40:39 GMT

Schlang: That snopes reference does nothing to make McCain or his second wife look good. MCCain cheated on his first wife on numerous occasions. His second wife stole drugs. You aren’t to smart. Also, “Audacity of Hope” was written AFTER he was elected in 2004. NO WAY that passage is in there.

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vakosh — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:44:16 GMT

WELL I'D RATHER BE CHEATED ON BY MY HUSBAND THAN THE DNC. IT'S DONE. OVER. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR HIM, JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK WE SHOULD.

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dollard — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:45:34 GMT

Senator Obama will be a great Commander and Chief in our Country. I know some people out there keep asking themselves who is Obama? Read his bio on line it tells all about him. I think some people are suddenly judge him by the color of his skin.

If you saw McCain was interviewed the other day about IRAQ, he said pulling the troops from there its not important. Republicans do not care to help their own people, its all about themselves using the tax payer's money to support the War. McCain have no plans for American people's future, but to take over Bush/Chenney's system.

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Dollard — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:48:28 GMT

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Dollard — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:56:59 GMT

I hope Senator Obama will NOT pick for Hilary Clinton as his VP. She is a troubled person. Obama will be doing just fine without her and Bill.

Jim Webb from VA, Richardson NM, are the most qualified running mate for Obama.

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Mariann Pepitone — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:01:46 GMT

I read Obama's bio in the NYT and its very interesting. Maybe you didn't read the same bio. Obama was a racist at an early age and started to dislike his mother and grandmother because they were white. Obama did not like white people. Wake up to reality. Michele was a racist before she married Obama. They decided on that church because their pastor was racist, anti-american and white hating. He attended that church for 20 years. Obama is not christian and never went to a christian church in his life. He may fool you and this generation of college students but he didn't fool the people in the battleground states that didn't vote for him. Obama wrote that book Audacity Of Hope from the words of his pastor who was preaching the audacaity of hope that Sunday. Obama did not write one word of that book but he made money on it. He also took the words hope and change from RFK's speeches. Obama cannot do anything for himself. He has to copy it. For a Harvard graduate he is as dumb and they come. The reason he doesn't want Hillary as his VP is because she would outshine him in intelligence and experience in politics that he hasn't learned yet. Obama played dirty pool to the woman running against him for the senate and took her to court and ruined her. Obama, Nancy, Dean and Reid went behind the scenes to the superdelegates to convince them to vote for Obama for favors granted and bills passed. All four of them are crooked and Hillary should not back up Obama she should run as an independent to knock him out of the presidency.

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Mariann Pepitone — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:09:39 GMT

Dollard: Webb and Richardson don't have the brains to sit on or a window to throw them out of. I understand the Mexican people in NM do not like him and he may not get re-elected again. Obama's picks for VP are a big joke. None of them are qualified to be VP or president. Obama is in the same category of Webb and Richardson, they should all join hands. Kerry thought he would get a job in Obama's administration but he isn't on the list and neither is back stabber Edwards. And how do you know that Obama will be elected. As far as I know there are numerous people against and are going to vote McCain regardless of Hillary's statement. Will Bower is out to get the remale vote for McCain and he has a big organization with over two million female voters. Obama will need Hillary to campaign for him and she should give him a good kick.

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davie163 — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:23:58 GMT

Read Pepitone's posts. Read them carefully and then we can discuss sexism and those awful people in the Obama campaign. We can discuss commitment to the truth, what it means to be a racist, and the role ignorance plays in the election. Read them carefully and tell us how offended you were at what was said about the clintons. read Pepitone- a wannabe feminist if only she could give up being a pornographer.

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cbnboy1974 — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:51:33 GMT

It sounds to me most of the disgruntled Hilary fans were NOT going to vote for Obama to begin with, SO why all the drama about reminding everybody? Second of all, if you were set on voting for Mccain all this DAMN time, why are you people wasting your time on blogs and message boards?? According to you people , the GE is over with and already decided!? My prediction for Mccain is that he wont live past 76 yrs old! So what are you Mccain bots gonna do then?

Ive already said if Mccain wins the GE which i doubt 99.99 % chance he wont, im prepared to move out of the country.

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davie163 — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:56:24 GMT

schlang (June 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM- Since your commitment to truth is so apparent, I thought you'd like to know that your McCain story is true. However as I'm sure you know, the Obama quote is a lie. Your Obama quote is a lie- you understand, of course, what that makes you. I'm glad you put it out there, though for it gives me the opportunity to provide everyone who reads this (as well as creeps like you) the real quote:

“The Audacity of Hope,” page 261 (paperback version)

In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

So, as you can see, though you may not want to admit, Barack is standing with Americans.

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facingreality — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:59:20 GMT

OK davie163 lets discuss Pepitone's post. First and foremost - her White is showing and second she is no feminist!

It amazes me that these so-called feminist who are threatening to vote for McCain because Hillary did not receive the Democratic nomination want to be taken seriously when none of them have really stood up for Hillary until she LOST! Where were these so-called feminist when ALL of the men in Hillary's camp were losing the nomination for her? Where were all these so-called feminist when these same men fired Patti Solis but kept Mark Penn? Where were all these so-called feminist when it was initially learned that Florida and Michigan would not count (until they learned these votes were needed to 'help' Hillary)? Where were all these feminist when Carville stated that Hillary had cojones or the Hillary nutcracker made its debut? Where were all these feminist when my son and his comrades were sent to a needless war that Hillary voted on? Where were these feminist when McCain asked why was Chelsea so ugly - because Janet Reno was her father? Where were these feminist when McCain committed adultery on his injured wife; left her for Cindy? Where were these feminist when McCain called his current wife a cun>>t? Where were these feminist when Bill Clinton totally embarrassed Hillary with Monica, Paula and Gennifer? Where were they?

As a 50 year old African American mother of 3 daughters and 5 granddaughters I don't give a lovely about their threats to vote for McCain nor will I EVER apologize for Hillary's lost because these so-called feminist are nothing more than bullies whose White is showing! They can take their vote and ram it where the sun doesn't shine for they are an embarrasment to women! For years, African Americans have voted for the White Man on the Democrat side of the argument without ever threathening to vote Republican because of our lack of representation on ANY TICKET. We've been committed to the values and ideas of a more perfect America - we stood by the Clintons during their impeachment and total devaluing of the House of the People. In other words - WE WERE LOYAL to our PARTY even when OUR PARTY was NOT being loyal to US! For years, African American women have known that White women were not the true feminist, that they were all about themselves and not women in general for if they were truly about women these FEMINIST would vote for Barack - knowing that his ideals are really not that far off from Hillary's. But they threathen ALL WOMEN - who don't agree with them - with a vote that will set the women's movement back 100 years - FEMINIST MY A$$ - YOUR WHITE IS SHOWING - AND WE ALL SEE IT! So vote MCCAIN and prove us African American women RIGHT - that it is not about women but YOUR WHITENESS!

re: The Obama Veepwatch, Vol. 4: Hillary Clinton

mzha4u — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:03:22 GMT

We would not want Clinton as Obama's VP> We also would not vote for Obama no matter who his VP was. Obama's taxes and capital gains would hurt us. Also, by his past and present associates he has poor judgement. He is too young and inexperienced to rum our country.

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ashlarmon — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:25:32 GMT

To Mzha4u - I don't Obama wants to "RUM" our country. learn spellcheck if you're gonna put someone down especially our next president.

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Caroline McKee — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:01:55 GMT

I am a white 72 yr. old grandmother, retired professional who LIKES OBAMA. Why? Because he THINKS and he is not afraid to change his mind. He is well educated and still learning, .He has married well AND shows his wife appropriate affection and concern in public. He and Michelle are good parents and his ideas as well as his marvelously articulated speeches are uplifting and exactly what we need after 8 yrs. of Geo. Bush's destructive policies BOTH AT HOME AND IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.

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Caroline McKee — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:10:22 GMT

Obama SHOULD NOT ask Hillary to be V.P. Her presence would be a constant thorn in his side and would not enhance his strong message of hope and change. I am a white woman well over the demographic age that supposedly voted fpr Clinton but I did not for a lot of reasons, many of which have been exposed since the end of the primaries. She, for example, has been fiscally irresponsible and as of a week ago owed the state of Oregon schools mucho dollars for unpd. venues used there during the campaign...40,000.00 to Bend public schools alone (reported in the Bend Bulletin the end of May/early June ) despite repeated billings. So much for her support of education.

re: The Obama Veepwatch, Vol. 4: Hillary Clinton

vakosh — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:54:28 GMT

Who cares Obama is going to lose anyway so it will not matter.

re: The Obama Veepwatch, Vol. 4: Hillary Clinton

vakosh — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:54:54 GMT

Obama will lose anyway so it doesn't matter.

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vakosh — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:55:35 GMT

Obama is going to lose anyway so it doesn't matter.

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dianewatson1 — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:14:19 GMT

To Facing Reality,

You go girl! I've been scratching my head trying to understand how so called feminists who are angry at ...the media, the world..not sure...about their candidate losing..and have now decided they are so angry they are going to vote for John McCain..who represents the opposite of everything they are against. This is indeed a head scratcher. These feminists are going to vote for a man who wants to overturn Roe V. Wade? These feminists are mad at the Democratic nominee for what....winning? What exactly has he done that they are so angry about? But your post makes perfect sense. Its the first time I've seen someone tell it like it is about how race is playing a part in what is going on here. You said it perfectly. Blacks have supported white candidates for years. But now that these women are not getting their candidate, they are ready to turn their back on the Democratic party, indeed turn their backs on a host of women's issues because they don't like the way the media treated their candidate? Something is rotten in Denmark here and I think you've touched on something today. I think their WHITE indeed in showing and bravo to you for calling it like you see it. And to Marian Pepitone, your WHITE self is indeed showing..as is your ignorance.

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vakosh — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:00:21 GMT

Diane, we have been through this 100 x over. If you don't get it now, you will never get it, and I suspect you never will. The only thing we are saying is do NOT expect or even consider that because the DNC waved their magic wands and said there would be unity does not mean it will happen. It will not happen. The reasons why are obvioulsy too big for you to understand or appreciate and that is fine. The bottomo line .... don't wake up on Nov. 5th and wonder what happened.

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dianewatson1 — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:31:00 GMT

Vakosh -

I honestly have no interest in you or your opinion or who you vote for in November. My point is that this whole feminist backlash is manufactured bull#*&$. Every single woman who swears up and down that she has always been a Democrat but are voting Republican because the media treated their candidate unfairly is not by any measure a feminist...and knows nothing about feminist issues. Look it up..NARAL is supporting Obama. Emily's List -previous Clinton supporter- is supporting Obama. The groups who support feminist issues in this country are not voting for a the candidate who has spoken publicly about overturning a woman's right to choice. Feminists who are mothers do not vote for a candidate who will eliminate employer sponsored health coverage in favor of a $2,500 tax credit and leave you on your own to find health insurance. God forbid if your child has a pre-existing condition, because McCain's plan does NOTHING to ensure that all children in this country receive health coverage as Obama's plan does. And as far as the DNC goes..the delegates were stripped LAST YEAR. What they did two weeks ago was reapportion them...and give some back. By the August convention, they may have restated them all. Given that Obama was not on the Michigan ballot, they reapportioned the delegates to reflect voting patterns on primary day with Obama receiving the uncommited. So don't tell me that because the DNC screwed up the delegate apportionment that somehow that makes John McCain a better candidate for president. And don't talk to me about what I do and don't get. I know exectly what is at stake in this election. So take your condesending, pompous McCain loving self and go talk to someone who is actually interested in what you have to say.

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dianewatson1 — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:54:23 GMT

PLEASE READ THIS:

DISREGARD EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY VAKOSH. He is a Republican operative. Almost all of his posts say something about going to the Democrats for McCain website..which is a site created a site run by REPUBLICANS. The site is www.dems4mccain.info. It was created on June 4, 2008 and has hidden ownership and is held in the name of "Domains by Proxy" There are a nuymber of sites just like this one which have created in the last week and are also being held in secret names. They include: women4fairpolitics, hillaryclintonforum.net, clintondems, and there are more, alot more - hundreds in fact. Suffice it to say that all of you women who think you are part of some big movement, you're being had, you're being conned by the same group who brought you the Iraq war. They sense an opening, know you are disappointed about Hillary being out of the race and think you are now stupid enough to vote for John McCain. You've been fooled too many times by this administration, don't be fooled again.

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twinoftwins — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:21:26 GMT

Mariann Petitone, You are one bitter person. You can not say things without truth and fact behind it. I see that you do not like Obama but you can not just throw out lies you can not back up just because it makes you feel better.

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vakosh — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:22:56 GMT

Actually I am a she and a very active member of the democratic party.

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PReed1962 — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:00:28 GMT

Who cares Obama is going to win anyway so it will not matter.

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(But I like that Claire Mcaskill-she seems like a no BS striaght talker)

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PReed1962 — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:17:51 GMT

Posted By: vakosh (June 13, 2008 at 8:44 PM)

WELL I'D RATHER BE CHEATED ON BY MY HUSBAND THAN THE DNC. IT'S DONE. OVER. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR HIM, JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK WE SHOULD

This statement can only mean you are not a women and have never been married. Noone would actually realy believe this, and I don't. Sore loser? or maybe just a Rush lover? At any rate vakosh, please do not do anything drastic when you wake up on Nov. 5 and find out who the next president of the US will be. (it will not be Mr. McFart)

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vakosh — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:13:47 GMT

Actually I am married and very happily (not sure what this has to do with anything) other than I do not need to feel satisfied by a would be presidential candidate unlike others PReed.

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vakosh — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:27 GMT

Well I'll take McFart over Ahmedinejad any day.

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vakosh — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:16:16 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dianewatson1 — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:19:02 GMT

Vakosh is a liar and a racist.. I know exactly who you are.

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Nacy Werd — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:42:39 GMT

I support Hillary BUT sure will not vote for Mr. Barrack-HitlerLaden-OSama. Do not stand VP of that terrible man, it terrify me and terrify your name, Mrs. Clinton. Back-out and run away , then be back in 2012

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vakosh — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:05:25 GMT

Dear Diane Watson .... sorry I am neither a racist or a liar .... and I would venture to say you have no idea who I am but I obviously know who you are.

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vakosh — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:05:57 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN

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vakosh — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:06:24 GMT

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mike from Bama — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:40:36 GMT

I think he should just name Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as VP and call it a wrap

We all know what he stands for. Just today he points out that Black Fathers should take their role seriously - not white fathers or hispanic or asian or AMERICAN fathers but Negroe Fathers. I am sure they will find a way to blame that fault on us too

GO MCCAIN!!!!!

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shreksfionaid — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:24:55 GMT

I think that Gov. Bill Richardson would be a good option for Obamas Vice President running mate. Bill Richardsons is not like Hiliary Clinton in her 'knee-jerk-responses to situations. Richardsons has proven through various appiontment that he has the diplomacy and then networking that would make him a very valuable person to the Obama ticket. Obama would be lucky to have Richardson accept the nomination.

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grandmamary — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:13:17 GMT

No way can the two of them work together. She would undermine any thing he tries to do for her own benefit. And then there's the matter of Billy Boy in the white house again (heaven forbid), who bne a buttinsky and try to do the same. While chasing all the females he can. I think we've had enough of the Clinton's for awhile. I know there must be a lot of other candidates who are well suited for the position of V>P. He'll find the right one and it won't be Hillary.

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agnstheflow — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:53:42 GMT

Obama has his democrat followers wrapped around his little finger with all the smiles and shallow sweet talk. Who is he really? Where did he get his millions of campaign dollars? Exactly what "change" is he talking about? What's he going to do behind closed doors once he's in the oval office with his muslim friends to destroy our country? McCain is for real.

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anthony16 — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:27:49 GMT

To Hillary Clinton's Jaded, Bitter, Sore Losing Voters: WITH OR WITHOUT YOU! As of right now Obama is leading McCain in the General Election. Most of these so-called Democrates who are now switching to McCain are not concerned with Democracy or any of the issues that face the country today, and never were. These unfortunate and misguided people are only concerning with race and their own selfish unpopular needs. I believe this election has shed a lot of light on the Democratic party. Many snakes in our grass have revealed and now we get to see their true nature as they desperately slither toward McCain in effort to keep the status quo. In the words of U2: WITH OR WITHOUT YOU!

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Platty46 — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:47:02 GMT

READING ALL THE COMMENTS MAKES ME SAD......WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS BUT THE BASHING ISN'T NECESSARY...INSTEAD OF STICKING TO THE SUBJECT SOME GOT OFF TRACK. I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO OBAMA WHO HE PICKS FOR VP. PRESIDENTS HAVE COME AND GONE SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON. SOME GOOD, SOME DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE TOP 10 LIST...

THOSE LEADERS OVER MANY, MANY YEARS HAVE HELPED TO GET AMERICA IN THE CONDITION ITS IN TODAY.

WE ALL NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA AND NOT WHAT WE WANT. WE NEED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND LOOK AT THINGS GOING ON AROUND US EACH DAY. WHO CAN FIX THE PROBLEMS? IT TOOK YEARS TO GET IN THIS MESS AND IT WILL TAKE TIME TO RECOVER. IF??????????IT CAN BE DONE.

I AM A CHRISTIAN AND STAND FOR WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.. AMERICA HAS LOST ITS WAY BY PEOPLE CHANGING WHAT WAS GODLY INTO WHAT IS UNGODLY. ITS WRITTEN IT WOULD HAPPEN AND IT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE END. NOTICE ALL THE EARTHQUAKES, FLOODS, FAMINE, ETC.?????ITS WRITTEN ALSO.. WE NEED LEADERS WHO ARE GODLY AND STAND FOR GOD......SO FAR, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WHO MEETS THE ROLE..SO IT WON'T MATTER WHO WINS OR LOSE... AMERICA ,THE LAND OF MILK AND HONEY, HAS LOST HER WAY.......IF THIS POST UPSETS SOMEONE I ASK GOD TO KISS THE UPSET..AS AMERICANS WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER SO WHY NOT JOIN AS AN AMERICAN AND WORK FOR THE GOOD LEFT HERE AND LIVE EACH DAY WITH LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR EACH OTHER..LOVE WILL NEVER FAIL BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE. BLESSINGS, DOROTHY

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enplaze — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:33:56 GMT

For once in a long time, great thing is about to happen in America, if white illitrates wishes to go to hell with McCain, rather than heal the nation with Obama, then so be it.

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vakosh — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:36:43 GMT

To Anthony ... you will be going on WITHOUT US ... and good luck.

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vakosh — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:45:19 GMT

There are no red states or blue states .... just the United States of America.

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MauDib59 — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:11:11 GMT

Obama would have picked HRC to settle the campaign a long time ago if he was going to do so. NW is wrong that she would hurt the team short term, i.e. during the voting, because the plus side of HRC as VP outweighs the minuses. However, Obama has bet that his chances are 75%+ of being elected without her yet with a female VP (vs. 85%+ with HRC). He knows that she brings too much baggage and that he cannot control her demand of the spotlight.

The likelihood of Obama proposing a female VP is very high, maybe 90%. That would effectively end the Clinton era due to the limited exposure HRC will receive over the next 8 years and the higher weight of the VP exposure in the public mind.

Only one thing can derail Obama: Red state fear.

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monigee723 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:44:27 GMT

Mariann Petitone, where did you get your information from? What bio on Barack Obama are you referring to? Who wrote it, a Republican? You should probably checks your facts before putting that kind of information out there. You're just as bad as some of these reporters today, no facts just a bunch of opinions that you want everyone to believe.

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facingreality — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:35:43 GMT

VAKOSH - You state that you are 'happily' married - I find that hard to believe when you spend so much time on the Internet complaining about something you cannot change. May I help you WITH your dilemma - repeat after me - God Grant Me The Serenity to accept those things I cannot not change, the courage to change the things I can and the WISDOM to know the difference.

Now - that should put that stale marriage of yours back on track! It will also provide you acceptance of those things you cannot change like the fact that what is for Obama is for Obama and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it! See people like you have a very difficult time accepting those things you cannot change and you lack the wisdom to know the difference. So just sit back, relax and have an Obama attack.

p.s. - If you just still can't seem to get your groove back in that 'happy' marriage then why don't you become penpals with Mariann Petitone - or just call her Peti for short for her conversation is truly petty and the two of you seem more evenly matched than the 'alleged' relationship you have with your current spouse who can't seem to be able to distract you long enough to stay off the Internet complaining..Doesn't sound very happy to me!

Mariann - Your White Is Still Showing and trust me God is watching you - it may seem that you are getting away with malice but there are two things you can trust in this world - Death and Taxes! You day is coming - TRUST ME!

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Apolitical — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:39:04 GMT

Obama should pick Hillary. Her own following is huge.

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treyton — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:50 GMT

Sure, I could see it, but she would have to go through a full body search every time she met with him. And the Secret Service could never leave him alone with her.

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mariadcruze — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:26:35 GMT

hillary should be his first choice for vice president. I think it is a solid win for obama if he chooses her.

obama/hillary 08,12

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mariadcruze — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:32:49 GMT

to vikosh

mabe mcain will die before the election

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mariadcruze — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:02:59 GMT

dear vikosh

he seem to be nasty just like hillary. You are the most stupidest person on this blog. you were never a democrat to begin with. Alot of people are loosing there jobs because of the republicans and i hope you are one of those people. You want 100 years of war i hope you get drafted or your family members. Obama will win with or with out your vote. Why do you even write in this blog?

you are one nasty bitch.

obama 08,12

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newsviews — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:11:00 GMT

There are certain factions who will never vote for Obama, regardless of the incompetence and criminal behavior of the last Republican controlled Presidency and Congress. HIllary Clinton should be the nominee of the Democratic Party, but was aced out due to the way the Democratic primaries were held, i.e., caucasus, and discounting two very important states, Florida and Michigan and the infatuation of the media with Obama.

I called my Senator, Robert P. Casey (D-Pa) to ask that he cast his superdelegate vote for HIllary at the convention since Pennsylvania overwhelmingly voted for HIllary Clinton. Remember neither Barack or Hillary has enough people elected votes to win the nomination. and must rely on the Superdelegates to win the nomination. It is not a done deal that Obama is the nominee untilthe superdelegates vote at the Democratic Convention..

His response was that because of the ethics act, (passed by the legislators, without any input from regular voters) he could not comment to me on this matter, because it is political. His JOB is political.

If Barack Obama is not smart enough to pick HIllary Clinton for Vice President, perhaps he can't run the government any better that Bush, et. al. Here's hoping Obama will do the right thing and pick Hillary Clinton for Vice President.

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MartinCarmel — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:02:46 GMT

Obama should pick the ONE person who was his "close personal firend" for more than 20 years. Trust is everything: The Reverand Jerimiah Wright.......one of the biggest bigots since Archie Bunker. But, in this case a (black) bigot (yes, there are black bigots) who the media has IGNORED due to an incredible standard of bias and white guilt by the liberals who control most of it.

Then....when VP Wright is in his office, he can pursuade Obama to pick Louis Farrakhan (noted American anti-semite racist) as his Secretary of State.

Then....we can (ah, finally) negotiate with Iran! Because Iran is not dangerous....and is NO threat to Israel. C'mon....

Most of America is finally waking up to the truth about Obama. Scary truth. But another portion of America has CLEARLY lost its mind.

McCain will win in November. Remember, this is the same America that re-elected an unpopular George W. Bush in 2004 during an unpopular war....

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jkeyser — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:05:43 GMT

Yuck!