Expertinent: Building a 'Grand New Party'

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GregHere — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:55:24 GMT

.............................The Republicans need to change course to be a Party that is for the people instead of a Party that is for exclusive priveledge....they have been a party of loosers in the White House like Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush and Richard Nixon who have been failures and have done damage to America. Now John McCain is following the ways of the mean spirited Bush Regime by bringing in Steve Schmidt, a Karl Rove protege known for his tough talk and ways to run the McCain Campaign. America is tired of the Bush style and John McCain is making a big mistake in copying Bush and continuing to follow the Bush tactics in 2008.

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Rayosun — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:48:30 GMT

The first step in distancing yourself from the Republican corruption machine is to stop believing its lies about liberals and the liberal Democratic Party (as opposed to the moribund conservative Democratic Party that may still exist in parts of the south).

Open you MIND at http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org, http://JesusNoRepublican.Org/ & http://JesusNoDemocrat.Org/

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olderwiser — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:20:33 GMT

The shortest and easiest example of why the republican party is not in touch with 95% of the American people, leaving out only the richest 5%, is their grand plan to put retirees' social security proceeds into the stock market as a way to solve the impending insolvency of the system of social security itself. Just look at the stock market and try to relate its condition to the word security. And watching your retirement money disappear in a crashing stock market is definitely unsociable.

Add that the Reagan plan to do everything to help big business, along with the promise that the resulting wealth would "trickle down" to the masses below. The plan was carried out as he began the program to bust unions up, and as corporations discontinued one retirement program after another. Talk to all the people who lost their good jobs with this plan but had to train their overseas replacement before they could empty their desks and go home to fill out an application to work at a hamburger joint.

Finally all that seemed to trickle down from above was an ominous yellow stream of liquid, the ultimate insult. They planted it and now they reap it.

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C. MacLean — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:41:04 GMT

Accordint to this article, the republicans are the party who took on Welfare, Crime, Taxes, the Cold War.

Translation:

Welfare: put all those lazy (fill in the blank) people to work.(racism)

Crime: lock up all those (fill in the blank) evil drug dealers.(racism)

Taxes: give lots of tax breaks to corporations because they create jobs; give lots of tax breaks to the rich, because they invest in America.(greed, classism)

Cold War: the communists are evil, they are everywhere, and they don't like us.(fear)

Building the Same Old Party; racist, classist, elitist, greedy, fear mongers.

No thanks.

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tc125231 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:18:52 GMT

Why would anyone want to save the GOP? Remeber God's answer to Abraham regarding

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tc125231 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:21:00 GMT

Why would anyone want to save the GOP? Remember God's answer to Abraham regarding Sodom and Gomorrah? --It could have been prevented if just 10 righteous people lived in the city.

Can you find 10 righteous people in the GOP?

I doubt it.

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greboo46 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:26:07 GMT

well said tc125231, G.O.P. is done. everytime the G.O.P. get into office they *** everything up, they are war whores, and they are lyers, they steal from the american people and they are evil. and they have no heart. they really don't care about anyone except the G.O.P. And we need to delete them out of our society. Just like we are trying to get rid of the K.K.K. When they come into town we just ignore them. If the american people want to save thereselv's they will take a hard long look at the G.O.P. and when they do, they will find *** ridden stains all over them. Because that's what the G.O.P. and there people are worthless pieces of ***, that don't deserve to live in a free America... greg

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greboo46 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:41:35 GMT

I am not done yet. If you look at history. Everytime the republican's took office, the ecomey goes to hell. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Reagan was better then Daddy Bush, not by much. And Daddy Bush was a little better then Son Bush. Of course Sonny boy Bush is stupid, not funny. and a clown. The whole world is laughing at us because of Sonny Bush and his *** Cheney. No balls between the both of them. I hope both of them die a slow painful death when there time comes. Because the whole country is slowley becoming homeless because of the housing market. Any president that help's a hugh company that is suppose to be money smart out of dept is an ***. Bush breath precious oxygen that other people need. The man is a loser, Cheney too. Bush brags that he got C's in college, that Daddy Bush helped his sonny boy get into college. And says he is still president. Well when you lie cheat and steal, and have powerful people behide you to do it. G.O.P.' s then you can do anything. And Christian's some of them who helped get them in are just as evil. The Christian Col. is a big fat joke, and god does'nt approve. they will be in hell, like Bush and and his stupid wife along with Cheney's *** up family. I pray to god that is true. Vote another Republican into office means to destroy our country and maybe the world. Of course when the rest of the world looks to us as Bozo's and lost our respect why would anyone in the rest of the world deal with us. The rest of the world really can do without us and they are out to prove it. And you know what? Because of Bush and Cheney who could blame them. Greg

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greboo46 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:43:59 GMT

McCain is a *** puss. Who will screw his own *** to be presidend. he is just as stupid as Bush and A huge fat *** like Cheney and his ugly family.. I hope he will die of a hugh heart attack before November 08

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Unrepentant Liberal — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:13:16 GMT

According to the authors it sounds like republicans need to act more like democrats to be successful. Good luck with trying to wrestle the reins of power from the corporate and religious interests that run the party devoted to the 'haves, and have mores.'

And what's wrong with those 30% of voters to still approve of the total unmitigated disaster that is the Bush administration. Are they daft?

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greboo46 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:20:37 GMT

Unrepentant Liberal, You are soo right. I want to tell the America that voting for G.O.P. and for McCain who is a war whore, you can expect a draft. That means that you young guys and woman. Get prepared to be drafted into a war, that we donot need to be in. And if you think that it would happen? think again. The G.O.P. is setting all of this up. And young Repubican mark my words. A VOTE FOR MCCAIN MEANS YOU WILL GO TO WAR. EVEN IF YOU WANT TO OR NOT. WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IRAN WHICH BY THE WAY I AGREE WITH. LOVE TO SEE THAT COUNTRY LAID TO WAIST. AND DON'T TELL ME THEY DON'T KNOW. THEN THERE WILL BE RUSSIA, BET ME THEY ARE BEHIND THIS WHOLE THING WITH IRAN, THEN IRAQ. WHEN WE LEAVE THEY WILL SIDE WITH IRAN. AND BUILD A FORCE AGAINST US AND ERUOPE. BET ME THAT AS SOON AS WE ARE OUT OF THERE THAT IRAQ WILL TURN LIKE A DOG. WATCH AND SEE. AGAIN. IRAQ AND IRAN HAVE STARTED A LOVE AFFIAR THAT INCLUDES RUSSIA. AND COUNTRY'S THAT WE TRUST RIGHT NOW. AND HAVE NOT A CLUE OF THERE BETRAIL. MAYBE THE GOV MIGHT. BUT US THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL BE SHOCK WHEN OTHER COUNTRY'S SHOW THERE TRUE FACE. LOOK AT YOUR HISTORY. THE DRAFT IS COMING. AND NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF IT. SO YOUNG G.O.P'. THINK BEFORE YOU PULL THAT LEVER, IN NOVEMBER. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T. YOU WILL HAVE SAND ALL OVER YOUR FACE. I DID WARN YOU... GREG P.S. NOW I AM DONE

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olderwiser — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:16:50 GMT

A flip flop is a cheap rubber sandal. A flop is a failure. The Republicans repeatedly shouted "flip flop" in the last presidential election campaign while they smeared the candidate unmercifully. The Republicans then got into office for a second four years in a row and continued to institute policies that took money from the bottom of the population and shoved it to the top few who sent their money overseas and quit paying taxes. They couldn't believe how long that they were able to do this without everyone catching on. They are now in for the angry reaction to these failed policies, a total flop, as Democrats shout "flop flop flop", "flop flop flop" to the tune of a Republican candidate who wishes to continue the Iraq war for 100 years while he treats us to a third Bush term. It is truly a sad whine when the republican party now cries "foul" as their war hero candidate is similarly slandered. He and his party deserve every bit of it.

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Nins — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:43:35 GMT

Here's some change you can believe in: the amount of times McCain has changed his values and positions on the issues.

The reason half of the conservative Christian right hates McCain is because they think that they can't trust him. McCain started his career as part of the Christian right (there's a little-known fact). Once he landed in the soup as part of the Keating Five (which almost derailed his career) he positioned himself as a liberal and became a reformer for campaign finance in an effort to resurrect himself. In case you who don't remember, the Keating scandal had to do with some shim sham corporations pumping money into McCain's coffers. So McCain became a reformer to shine up his tarnished image, and that was his first departure from the right.

Other, more serious betrayals of the right came later, after McCain got swift boated by Bush. The great Texas Republican political machine laid McCain to waste, and McCain was mad as hell. He started voting against the party line and against Bush. He suddenly supported abortion rights, opposed the Bush tax cuts, co-sponsored a patient's bill of rights with Kennedy and Edwards, and got on the environmental bandwagon with John Kerry. He called Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance." He actually tried to crack down on gun shows in legislation he put forth with then-Democrat Joe Lieberman. In 2001, when Senator Jeffords of Vermont switched from Republican to Independent in an effort to counteract Bush's stranglehold on the Senate, McCain announced that he was considering becoming a Democrat, and went into a pow-wow with Senator Tom Daschle at his Sedona ranch. And did you know that John Kerry floated the idea of having McCain as his VP in '04? That was to have cemented his status as a newly-minted Democrat.

But instead of joining Kerry, McCain suddenly switched his affiliation, came out in support of Bush in '04, and jettisoned his liberal image. Suddenly, it was the "old" McCain from the 1980s back in the saddle, the neo-conservative, take no prisoners Creationist. Against abortion. For the war. The SAME man who opposed a Federal amendment banning gay marriage and openly met with gay groups now was pushing a gay marriage ban in Arizona. The SAME man who said in 1999 that he was opposed to overturning Roe vs. Wade, now suddenly in 2007 is promising that he will stack the deck in the Supreme Court with religious right judges and overturn Roe vs. Wade.

But the religious right isn't so sure about him. He's supported so many different opposing positions at so many times, that they are afraid that they are getting played in the name of McCain's political expediency.

You don't have to take my word for this. Watch news clips of McCain talking about the same issues in different years, which proves what I have written. Get on the Straight Talk Express and get it straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related

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littleeddie — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:55:13 GMT

It is absolutely the miss that the GOP has managed over the past 7 years that has the party in trouble. The base is upset that although the war on terror has gone well the economic situation was poorly mismanaged by overspending. The GOP really missed a chance to be the dominant party in all age groups. It was a monumental mistake. Sure things aren't that bad but when the golden ring is in your grasp, it should have been tugged on. Reagan would not have missed this opportunity. I recently read Freiman's Current Events Conservative Outcomes and he makes dozens of predictions on US politics over our lifetimes and he thinks that an upstart political party will actually take root and be a force in US politics in our childrens generation. This steering away from the conservative base is what will drive the change. You can see some of his predictions at www.gafreiman.com

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Sara Johnson — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:04:44 GMT

Sen. John McCain, Phil Gramm, and Enron....

Sen. John McCain opposes a farm bill. Phil Gramm, his economic chief, wants it stopped because it would regulate energy futures trading, a market famously abused when Enron Corp. manipulated California’s electricity prices in 2001.

Clearing the way for that California price gouging, Phil Gramm, as a powerful Texas senator in 2000, slipped an Enron-backed provision into the Commodities Futures Modernization Act that exempted from regulation energy trading on electronic platforms.

Then, over the next year, Enron – with Gramm’s wife Wendy serving on its board of directors – worked to create false electricity shortages in California, bilking consumers out of an estimated $40 billion.

Gramm left the Senate in 2002 but now has emerged as what Fortune magazine calls “McCain’s econ brain,” not only filling the Arizona senator’s acknowledged void on economic expertise (“I don’t know as much about the economy as I should”) but recognized as one of McCain’s closest friends in politics. The two men talk daily.

A McCain aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee opposes the farm bill because Gramm advised McCain that he should resist its regulatory language on the energy futures market.

Democrats have dubbed that gap in energy futures regulation the “Enron Loophole,” but it played a part, too, in the more recent attempt by the Amaranth Advisers hedge fund to corner the national gas market by shifting trades to the unregulated “dark markets” of the Intercontinental Exchange.

The “Enron Loophole” also has become part of the debate over the soaring price of oil. Last month, a study sponsored by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, concluded that speculative futures markets were partly to blame for the surge in oil prices that have pushed gas at the pump toward $4.50 a gallon

At a May 15 news conference, Levin said the skyrocketing price of oil is “not the result of supply and demand. Speculators have taken over most of the futures market."

The battle over the “Enron loophole” also could draw attention to McCain’s dependence on Gramm as his chief economic adviser and Gramm’s key role in passing legislation that let Enron trade commodities on electronic platforms without federal oversight.

In 2000, with the Republicans in charge of Congress and Gramm chairing the Senate Banking Committee, the exemption on electronic trading was approved without a Senate hearing.

Freed from regulatory interference, Enron then used manipulative trading practices to game the California electricity market and drive up electricity prices across the state.

While California consumers were getting fleeced, the new Bush administration shielded Enron from early accusations of market manipulation. President Bush personally joined the fight against imposing caps on the soaring price of electricity, buying additional time for Enron although the company’s house of cards collapsed anyway in fall 2001.

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fox1george — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:48:17 GMT

Excellent interview with thought provoking ideas and information. Makes you think. Likewise the posts of Sara, littleeddie, Nins and, to a lesser extent, olderwiser. You all added insight and info

to consider.

To the rest: George Carlin said it best----you practice mental masturbation. You rant, you rave, you

shout your prejudices, you shout (period), you name call, you do anything to get yourself off. And like real masturbation, you don't engage anyone; don't relate to anyone; don't add to anyone's else insight; don't influence others, etc. It's all about you. George gave some excellent advice:

do it physically. At least you'll have something to show for it when your done!