Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

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Rocky2001 — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:32:41 GMT

Geez Romano wipe your chin!

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Evax — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:49:17 GMT

Obama's shift to the center is welcome. However, he has to provide compelling evidence that there is not a Wright virus tangled in his genome. Americans cannot take the risk to elect a quasi-terminator who may be programmed to profile and licensed to kill.

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josemarti — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:09:57 GMT

To say that he is moving to the center gives him too much credit. He is moving in the sense that a kite moves.

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josemarti — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:10:17 GMT

To say that he is moving to the center gives him too much credit. He is moving in the sense that a kite moves.

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donbl — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:36:31 GMT

Newsweek, you should not be Obama's apologist.

Be objective and call it like it is.

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cobalt6 — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:57:48 GMT

Did anyone here what Jesse Jackson said about Obama?? Unbelieveable!!!!!!!!

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ToadTreeHugger — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:59:45 GMT

Obama voted today to support Bush's disastrous wiretapping practices. Clinton voted against it, as did most true liberals.

Obama voted for Cheney's disastrous energy bill. Clinton voted against it. McCain was one of three Republicans to vote against it.

Obama voted for the disastrous Class Action Reform Bill. Clinton voted against it, as did most true liberals.

Obama has lied about his pledge to use public financing. He is now lying about this promise to remove our troops from Iraq in 16 months.

Why liberals supported Obama in the primaries is bewildering. Did they not do their research? Are they that uneducated? Are they that gullible?

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martimr1 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:00:07 GMT

No, not, Romano's right. The FISA reversal is disappointing, but the others exist only in the minds of the MSM on a slow news day, and of liberals who want to project their worldview onto him. (I'm a liberal, so don't think I'm using the word as an insult. I'm not. I'm just noting the tendency of the Obama base to take the "he's one of us" assumption a bit too far.)

I'm disgusted by stuff like Democrats.com wanting to escrow donations to push Obama to the left. Let Obama be Obama. Don't weaken him by making him cave to pressure. Hillraisers, same to you. Obama may not be made to order, but he's our shot at getting the country back from the neocons. The time to exert pressure is _AFTER_ he's president.

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natamo — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:07:21 GMT

If you actually read the FISA bill, specifically the imunity section, you will get a small surprise.

This bill grants immunity to civil ltigation but says nothing about criminal prosecution. That doo has been left wide open...

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brendanpbrennan — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:13:09 GMT

Disgusting. Since when was it up to Newsweek to defend a politicians positions for him? Do you people actually study journalism? This is the reason why bloggers are all of a sudden getting more respect...because we cant depend on real news outlets to provide unbiased reporting. As a moderate liberal I am very upset with Obama as I think we all should be. He has been taking advantage of our belief in him and I for one am not going to stand for it. One thing about McCain, the guy hasnt lied to us yet.

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HolyRoller — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:13:18 GMT

Hussein Obama...the candidate for CHANGE....I'll give him credit. He sure Changes a lot..........

Last fall, Obama's spokesman, Bill Burton was unambiguous. "To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."

So how did he filabuster today??? He voted YES. Crook and a Fraud.

NOBAMA!!!

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Wisconsin Voter — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:21:42 GMT

"He is now lying about this promise to remove our troops from Iraq in 16 months."

This is completely untrue.

"Why liberals supported Obama in the primaries is bewildering. Did they not do their research? Are they that uneducated? Are they that gullible?"

Yet you are completely wrong about Obama's stance on Iraq. So you must be uneducated and gullible. After all you did not do your research for a simple word, "refine". I'll let you know it does not mean change.

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chuckhasker@yahoo.com — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:22:14 GMT

Andrew your article is a good assesment of Obama. However about Obama's timetable to withdraw the troops from Iraq. Obama spoke with conviction and his rhetoric was convencing about the troop withdrawl when he campaigned for the Democaratic nomination and started his bid for the White House. Obama stated boldly that he will call the joint chiefs of staff into his office on day one of his presidency and begin to immediately remove the troops. He has been talking about removing one to two brigades a month over a 16 month period of time and now it seems he does not mention the 16 months nor the one to two brigades a month in his speeches. But according to your own words on Obama and the troop removal from Iraq you said, "The truth is, Obama has always left open the option of taking more time if necessary." More time if necessary? What happened to the 16 months? "And I will remove one to two brigades per month beginning on day one?" Obama left open a political loop hole, and it is a hole that he is now trying to dig himself out of. If Obama is for Change, then let him be for Change. Sounds like Obama knows how to play the political game of bait and switch, and like OJ Simpson if you throw enough garbage into the mix no one will be able to determine what is true and what is not. Chuck Hasker

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Bass Pro — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:33:35 GMT

Reporter guy, I'd like to buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you're worth. How boorish! how mundane! How ridiculously inane! Like a wagon with the words BORING hand scrawled on it.

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VoteResponsibly08 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:35:51 GMT

Give us a break! Obama will shift to the left, center and right if this is going to make him win. The man has no cord ,substance and will do and say anything to win.

so shifting to the middle, left or even right should be no surprize to any one!

I can not trust him for as mentioned above, the man will say, promise, dance and will say or do anything to win...watch out the train is coming and if you are in the way to bad!

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George from Westerville — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:14:05 GMT

When there is evidence to dispute that Obama is a so called "liberal senator" then critics cry out "he's changing his position!" Senator McCain is the one who is shamefully flip flopping and pandering to the right, center, independents, whatever message his immediate audience wants to hear (immigration, tax breaks for the rich, Iraq, the environment, etc. etc.). We have been under Republican rule for 7 1/2 years and the economy is tanking, the war in Iraq is dragging on, and the rest of the world holds us in disdain. Does any sane, non-racist, non-CEO person out there really think that McCain is a superior choice over Obama? Give me a break folks.

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datzamore@aol.com — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:15:43 GMT

The issue of flip-flopping and shifting to the middle will pale in comparison to Obama's connections. Around most of America, east coast, west coast and midwest....this man is being viewed as a phony....the most extreme left wing candidate we have ever had to this point....but with a nice smile.

Obama's "close 20 year relationship" with a bigot named Reverand Wright is being discussed at the water cooler by Americans every day more and more. And that reverand's "close relationship" with one of America's biggest racists, Louis Farrakhan, who was given a lifetime achievement award. (wow). Birds of a Feather, folks.. Most of America is starting to figure it out. Especially Hillary fans and Jewish voters.

Remember, this is the same nation that re-elected a very unpopular George Bush only 3 1/2 years ago during an unpopular war. Also remember that Kerry led Bush 51-44 in July....and he lost. - And now....at only 46-44....the Obama Fever Gap is wearing off fast. - John McCain will win this election.

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HDavidson — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:39:23 GMT

Hey Andrew PLEASE choose a better blog format, yours sucks, is it ego, or just an over sight? use ANY of the other options available through Newsweek, BTW CornHolyO, is one of sinclair's lovers ;)

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notroubleatall1963 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:53:01 GMT

Nobody has flip-flopped MORE in his career in recent years than John McCain't.

Period.

It's laughable that anyone even tries to apply that term to Obama. He's trying to win an election and yes, he's a politican. So what - McCain't is trying to move further to the RIGHT than he ever was in the past decade, and nobody is really raining on his stupid parade over it.

I'm getting sick of the chattering classes - for all their hot air, you'd think they could give away some free airtime to the candidates instead of charging them for it and making everyone raise MILLIONS of dollars so they can basically win the White House through their air-time purchasing power. Seems superficial. At best.

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clikdawg — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:02:31 GMT

Um ... if he REALLY represented "meaningful change", the folks who REALLY run this country would never have let him get this far.

Bought and paid for, folks.

Duh.

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dspeightus — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:29:00 GMT

Obama will bring the troops home after 16 months. He will adjust the number of units to bring home per month. If you have 40 units and Obama and the General say we can send 3 units this month and maybe 2 units next month. I think this is how Obama will get the job done. Please stop calling him a flip flop - this is an adjustment in bringing our troops home

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underdog — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:14:30 GMT

Between now and the election both McCain and Obama are going to be changing postions on issues as they try to appeal to the center , the real majority. This is nothing new. Dick Morris moved Clinton to center to get him elected. They will be saying they're refining their opinions on certain issues.They know that to have to get elected first to b e able to make changes in government.

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Perusing-through — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:22:39 GMT

DUUHHH!!!!

Why is the media claiming Obama is it moving to the right?

He is a devout Christian!! What did you expect? Do you expect Obama to move to the liberal left. No! As a Christian Democrat he is always going to lean slightly to the right. This was not hidden?

The news media and the typical Jesse Helms White GOP constituents totally missed it because they have a frame of reference of their version of conservatism, which does not always align 'exactly' to Black Conservatism.

Obama's alignment with the Supreme Court regarding a D.C. home owner's right to use a weapon for protection in their home is no surprise for a "Black Christian (Closet) Reagan Democrat". If the news media did their homework, they would have known this.

It's the same with Obama's disagreement with the courts on the execution of criminals for non-murders. Again, no surprise coming from a "Black Christian Reagan Democrat".

The media has bought the GOP hype that Obama is the most liberal Democrat in the Senate. Now the media is stunned by the conservative statements by Obama.

No surprise to me, because the core of Senator Obama's nature he is a "Middle-Class, Black Christian Reagan Democrat with a strong streak for Community Organizing and Activism and Nationalist Pride".

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

GOD BLESS OBAMA!

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Nins — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:54:19 GMT

Obama has always been a moderate Democrat. He has some liberal ideas and some conservative ones, but overall he is a centrist. Read his book Audacity of Hope (written more than four years ago) and you will see that he is saying the exact same things today that he was saying then.

The liberal media and the radical right have both wanted to paint Obama as a leftist liberal, each for their own reasons. They each were guilty of creating an image of Obama that simply is not accurate. Now, they are both screaming, the liberals saying "He's going centrist and abandoning the liberals!" and the right wingers saying "He's flip flopping by going moderate!"

Both factions are wrong. Obama has not changed. Obama himself referred to this problem last fall, when he said that people were going to project all kinds of ideas onto him, and that some of them were going to be disappointed, because he can only be who he is.

Obama is a moderate Democrat. Always was a moderate Democrat. End of story.

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Chloe123 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:29:37 GMT

This biased support of a person who has flip flopped and is being excused for doing so is hypocritical when spoken in terms of adjusting his frame of reference according to the times and then not accepting McCains changes as well. It is so obvious and evident the propaganda for this unqualified Democrat just because of the unpopularity of Bush and not because MCCain is actually more experianced and less embarressing as a leader of a nation. People are not that stupid that they can see through the manipulation, media. The general lection will prove that after we see more crazy flip flops from the only candidate who is not credible. Obama should accept that he is arong for the USA and get off the pedastal that does not suit him.

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tippology1 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:17:06 GMT

All of he media especially Newsweek are all hypocritical B''S'' artist that has already nominated Obama and have elected him president. I can't believe how the American people are eating this up. The issues that America needs to focus on are not taken into consideration because people are so upset with Bush, this is getting crazy. The Bush Administration has kept up safe for the past 7yrs and the democrates just can't accept that and I will go on record to say the bush bashing needs to stop. We are looking so bad in the global community because of the Bush Bashing, and we no one to blame put ourselves, how smart we are. The funny thing is those who are doing all the complaining are gearing up to vote for a non-tested, no experience, flip-flopping, badly connected, politican who is only looking out for his own political gain. This is really funny to me how some people can be so wrong. Obama is yellow and its time for people to get off their ASS and see him for what he is... and lets focus on the issues. McCain will be a much better president and he has earned his path toward the White House, unlike Obama the Great White Hype......

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kkhan — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:17:21 GMT

I guess now the incapability , incompetence & irrelevance of the real Obama is beginning to become self exposed. If his supporters are not yet satisfied that it was a fatal error in judgement for him to become the brokered Democratic nominee, then it would be sad news for the American nation. This man should be removed from that status & be replaced with the candidate ( Hillary ) who was cheated in the nomination process.

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abfabinri — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:34:10 GMT

Obama is another hypocrite....even Jesse Jackson says to cut his balls off! He is good at talking down to people and flip flopping on issues. Politics of usual...nothings changed other than skin color. Looks like a McCain win, as soon as Iran is taught it's lesson, which will be soon, Obama thinks much too highly of himself...he actually thinks that he can talk Iran out of Nukes ...my my what an Ego! He is not to be trusted...he already Flipped on FISA, what next? All you left wing liberals....is Obama still your man. Blacks will vote for Obama regardless...he could be pro-KKK but as long as he is black he has their votes but to the rest of us what a miserable disappointment he has become. He has proven himself to be a forked tongue politician.

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Chloe123 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:35:50 GMT

So what is the case for McCain?

No candidate for President since Wendell Wilkie in 1940 has had as little relevant experience before running for President as Barack Obama. The Illinois Senator served for 8 years, in a generally undistinguished fashion, in the Illinois legislature. He was best known for voting present more often than any other State Senator. When the Democrats took over the Legislature the last two years he served, Obama worked out a deal with the Democratic leader, Emil Jones, to get his name on some bills so he could buff up his resume before running for the open US Senate seat.

In the US Senate, Obama missed many votes in his first term even before he launched his Presidential bid, as he traveled the country speaking to Democratic Party events (and positioning himself with activists for a future Presidential run). Since the campaign began, he has missed virtually all Senate votes and failed to hold meetings of his own subcommittee. So the Obama record is very thin.

His major campaign themes have been lofty messages of change and hope and bipartisan unity. This is a smart course to take, when you have little to show for your years in public office. McCain needs to focus on Obama''s record of scant legislative accomplishment and inexperience. What has Barack Obama done, as opposed to claiming to have done?

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rednote — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:52:40 GMT

Romano’s defense of Obama concerning his revision of his previous policy on troop withdrawals – all out in 16 months – has not survived Obama’s most recent clarification – that he would indeed have the troops out in 16 months. “Obama,” Romano writes, “has always left open the option of taking more time is necessary.” That door has been resolutely closed by Obama, we think, subject of course to the next revision. Actually, the success of the surge ironically may make an earlier withdrawal possible. It’s time for the people at Newsweek who have an historical view of the Middle East to begin to imagine what Iraq would look like now if Obama view that the US should not have prosecuted a war in Iraq had prevailed several years ago.

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Keeneyes — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:03:35 GMT

This article is outstanding. It would appear that the allegations of him flip-flopping are untrue. Obama, just like McCain, are in the business of listening to voters and working the issues that voters feel are important. It's called being a politician. I'ver read all of the reponses to this article and it would appear that of readers who are not a Barack Obama supporter, and it also appears that they have stopped being objective. I'm an Independent and I've listened to both candidates and read numerous articles; this is a normal process when one is trying to decide who is the best candidate. I hope the readers are doing their homework, we don't want to elect another President like George W. We can't afford another ill-advised war or an economy the rewards the rich and punishes the middle-class and poor. Please read and listen.

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GregAugustaGA — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:03:49 GMT

Obama's stance that he is going to "change" politics has always been most problematic to me. In order to do that the politicians would have to denounce their life blood, their reason for breathing, reelection. As we all know this will never happen. Real "change" would require Pelosi, Reid, et al to relinquish their clutch on power, earmarks, partisanship, etc etc etc. This ain't going to happen either. And we must mention the money. Real "change" would require them to kick their addition to the almighty lobby dollar. Again, this ain't going to happen. We seem to forget Obama's real roots as well. He is from Chicago, where the old political "game" was invented. And damn he is quite the professional when it comes to politics.

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pezled — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:06:06 GMT

This is the most openly biased piece I've ever read. (did you get the aside about eating babies?) That was a pitiful excuse for journalism, and well below my expectations for newsweek. Pathetic rag journalism. Guess that's about all that could be done with the flip flops and BS obama has given them to work with..........

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Kate1149 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:38:27 GMT

Obama has not flip flopped on anything. He said that he will bring Democrats, Independents, and disaffected Republicans together. in order to do that you need to find common ground on issues and not be stuck in partisan politics like Bush, Chaney and McCain. I find it especially incredible that people on the left are criticizing his positons, as he has stated them before, but apparently they were not really listening or have simply assumed that he was a wild eyed liberal because conservatives have falsely tried to label him that way. Who in the world wouldn't think that child rapists should be put to death, or realize that Americans have a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms with restrictions for keeping them out of the hands of criminals and the insane. Common sense to most Americans. Obama voted for the FISA bill because we still need to fight terrorism and if the Democrats are seen as being soft on security we will have four more years of Republican incompetence. More common sense. Lastly, refining your position on Iraq does not mean changing it. Refining means working out the details and specifics as anyone with a command of the English language would know - more commons sense. Once again the mains stream media created a false story out of Republican talking points - much a-do about nothing! Meanwhile, I just read a bio of John McCain and found out that he graduated 894th out of his college class of 899. I always assumed his blathering gaffes on the economy and Iraq, and his inability to even read a teleprompter were due to old age, but apparently soaring intellect was never McCain's strong suit. I can't believe people are considering electing another dim wit to the White House after the incompetence of George Bush.

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amendment2man — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:24:58 GMT

wow why don't you just join his campaign as a manager romano? you are so biased as to be sickening.

you must have an obama sticker on your car. you keep attempting to build up this hack and make excuses for his constant shift of positions. He is an obvious panderer which to me is extremely dangerous. how can we trust such a man to handle our fporeign policy? will he bow to dictators such as amendi-what his name from Iran? acqueisce to the al-quida/hamas/hezbollah and legitimize them as political forces? He is not to be trusted and neither are you Romano.

Your journalistic code is being threatened here as you have strayed far from the objectivity that is supposed to be present. rename "First Read" to "the obama promotional journal"

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Richard1327 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:58:10 GMT

I told you so back in Frebruary......Not only is Obama incapable of changing Washington, now we find out that de really doesn't want to. It's not too late to have Hillary Clinton nominated at the convention. Contact your elected and super delgates and urge them to nominate Hillary at the convention.

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News and Notes — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:16:28 GMT

Bottom line, who is Obama? Why did the party elites push him through to the nomination? We had a moderate candidate, HILLARY. What is wrong with the Democratic Party? We have a no- lose year but a no-win candidate. His post- primary candidacy has been a sensationalistic, arrogant, pandering, political nightmare. If you weren't sure you knew Obama before, now you still don't know him, and you definitely can't trust him! We've become a society of instant gratification. Whomever we elect we have to put up with until 2013

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Murray Rizberg — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:19:25 GMT

To amendment2man ("Your journalistic code is being threatened here as you have strayed far from the objectivity that is supposed to be present. ")

This piece is actually more accurate than most of the garbage out there pertaining to Obama's "flip-flops," though I would have definitely pointed out that Obama's plan to expand Bush's faith-based initiatives - no matter how innocent Obama makes them seem - is just as unconstitutional as George W. Bush's plan was. (I still don't understand what has become so difficult about understanding the whole separation of church and state thing - can anybody help me here?) The author rightly pointed out that Obama's "move to the center" on the death penalty for child rapists position was, in fact, not even a molecular shift in Obama's position on the issue. The author also pointed out - though, again, I would have used harsher language - Obama's clear and inexplicably irresponsible flip-flop on the FISA bill. For this legitimate flip-flop Senator Obama should be taken to task - and severely so.

The only thing I can take out of your comments is that, until reading this article, your only source for Obama's positions came from completely objective media sources, which in your case probably means William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin (my personal favorite of the "objective" media). If I am wrong in my deduction, please let me know.

Oh, yeah, just one question for you: what excuses can you make for John McCain's more plentiful (and more shameless) shift of positions?

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rjgunter — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:35:36 GMT

The amazing thing is how the left continues to get snookered by this guy. There was never a plan by the dems to get out of Iraq (did we forget who voted to send them in????). Obama was lucky in that he was not in the Senate to vote yes like the rest of them. Only now does he show what I have known all along. The Dems like to beat up Bush over Iraq and seem to have gotten a free ride on getting us in!! I am shocked, shocked!

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Jhonny R — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:42:21 GMT

Good article even

Mc Cain should vote for Obama

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Galasso — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:31:11 GMT

Obama began as a chameleon - tailoring his presentations to whoever the audience happened to be at the time - exquisite stentorian oratory for the outdoor assemblies, rappin' and dappin' for the less educated in smaller groups, and solemn, funereal presentations for the press - especially Chris Matthews and the MSNBC crowd who embraced him from the first day. He bathed in Crisco to slip and slide through the BS. Now he's tacking to the center with large degree corrections - like the recent vote on the FISA bill - which has the extreme left howling like banshees. We still don't know what his positions are. He seems to have a policy "du jour". He has most recently demonstrated an incredible arrogance that would have the American people believe he hasn't vacillated once since the beginning of the campaign - he explains this by saying "we weren't listening". If you don't know where you're going - any road will take you there.

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speckelbelly — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:56:30 GMT

BETWEEN OBAMA OR McCAIN IS A NO BRAINER! OBAMA ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE! ON THE OTHE HAND KARL ROVE DOES NOT HAVE EXCUTIVE PRIVLEDGEAS FAR AS IM CONCERENED, THERE SHOULD BE NO SUCH THING! TRUTH JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY!!! AMERICA NEEDS TO GET BASCK ON TRACK!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!!

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tastytart — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:16:25 GMT

Andrew,

My goodness, this whole diatribe explaining away all that is now and all that has come before from the great new hope of the democratic party ultimately is just more political retoric. The fact remains that we still have not seen what B. H. Obama's core beliefs are. Glimpses of this core have been revealed and I for one do not like what I see. This young man is an unkown qaunity. American's are not real good at reading documents before placing their signiture on the bottom line. It is my hope that in this supremely important election we all demand of our candidates to say what they mean and mean what they say. We are obligated to know what we are signing up for when we step into those booths to mark our ballots.

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Jose52 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:35:16 GMT

The sad thing is that this guy has a good chance to be POTUS. Many libs are having buyers remorse. His record and comments speak for themselves. The Kool aid drinkers ( which Romy article has only 5 supporting comments) continue to spin the illusion. When all Americans pull the switch at the polls, they will be deciding CIChief to deal with the Iran's I am a dope and (if elected) Bambi will continue to vacillate, bob & weave, and avoid the correct response. Iran will test this flip floper and will bomb Israel. The lib NEW YORK TIMES is crying stern warings over Iran's missile tests and NYT D.Brooks calls him Machivailian. Brooks calls him evil and teaching how he voted present 138 times (avoiding a record). Barry has no substance, character, or gravitas and he will "present" at the bombing of Israel. We are heading into the end of times with shameful choice, a second Bill Clinton term. May God bless America.

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jjj2007 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:36:59 GMT

Can we just see through the rhetoric and realize that our problems are the politicians' egoes. They do not care for the people by the time they reach Washington, Obama included. He has clearly planned his rise to the top skillfully and with great thought. We are all being fooled to think he is the answer to all our governmental problems..he is only going to make them larger. McCain at least is after the politician's ruthless waste of our taxpayer money and wants us to be rewarded for our hardwork and the realization of the American Dream which is in great danger. That is the problem, the politicians wasting our money. If we can stop this, we will have our money going where it needs to go and we will have some too! The majority of our dual income families make 50K. If you let Obama in, We will make half that. You think you can't afford anything now? Just wait and see what you cannot do and what teh politicians can. Think America.

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kirt — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:14:55 GMT

Iraq goverment wants to know when we are leaving. So how dose saying that I will make adjustments from the information on the ground is a flip flop???????? This has not changed his stance. What is inflexable is a stance that will not let us leave when we are no longer welcome. The nerve of these Iraqis they got a lot of nerve to believe that they have the right to run their own country.

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JustAnAmerican — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:21:54 GMT

There is no need for an explanation. Obama is not shifting to the center. he is simply lying as usual in an effort to get more voyes.

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Murray Rizberg — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:28:23 GMT

Jose52: "We are heading into the end of times with shameful choice, a second Bill Clinton term. May God bless America."

Technicially speaking, that would be a third Bill Clinton term; even then, I assure you there are a great number of people who would love a third term for Bill Clinton if it meant:

1. Not being caught in a disastrous, unwinnable war that is depleting our military (not to mention driving them to suicide at record rates) and taking attention away from more important places in the "war on terror."

2. Being respected by - and, thus, securing the help of - the international community again

3. Not using the Justice Department as a means of strengthening the President's own political party

4. Slowing down the widening of the gap between the upper and middle-to-lower classes

5. Hiring qualified people who will protect the interests of the people over the interests of the corporations, thus decreasing the number of children poisoned by their own toys, miners being killed after being forced to work in unsafe conditions, etc

6. Working towards getting MORE people health coverage rather than FEWER people, which obviously goes against the Republican way of business (sorry - facts do not lie)

7. Keeping the government and church separated, or at least more separated than conservatives want to (though, shamefully, Obama doesn't appear to be the guy to enforce this separation, either)

8. Pumping millions of dollars back into the system by repealing the ridiculous Bush tax cuts for the super-wealthy (for the record: I paid more taxes in the first year of the Bush "tax cuts" than I had the previous year even though my raise had generated only a couple of thousand extra bucks - all while the top 1% paid fewer taxes whether they made more or less than they had the previous year. Hell, even my quite well-to-do and very Republican father recently complained that the Bush tax cuts didn't save him much more than he had been paying under Clinton because "they just found new ways" to take his money - not exactly a ringing endorsement from the upper-middle class, is it?)

9. Having somebody like Bill Clinton - that is, somebody who made it on his own despite more humble origins - rather than somebody like George W. Bush, who's had his entire life handed to him on a silver Bush platter

10. Somebody who actually speaks freakin' English and reads, for heaven's sake! Is THAT too much to ask of the "leader of the free world"?!!?

Anyone who prefers a third Dubyah term to a third Clinto term has to be either stupid, crazy, super-rich or any combination thereof. End of story, my friend.

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

tastytart — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:15 GMT

Murray,

If we do not study and learn from our history we are bound to repeat it. Our forgetters are well oiled in this great nation. This is a blessing and a curse. It is good we move on and embrace a new day but we must not forget who took down dangerous paths. The Clinton's changed the face of politics. They shamed our nation on an ineternational level. The black eye that President Clinton gave the presidency resulting from his sexual misconduct was nothing compared to the way he undermined our security. Character, trust, and honesty are virtues, basic requirements for one who is to hold the highest office in the land. By the way Murry, anyone who cannot debate and issue without resorting to name calling has no credibility. I guess you have enough money to not appreciate the extra dollars that those "Evil Bush tax cuts" put in your pocket but I sure did. Read some basic economics books before you spew the democratic talking points. How many of us have the toy's and the big Ram Charger trucks the big screen TV,s instead of being responsible and buying insurance? Expecting everyone to be "personally responsible" is a lot to ask but it is food for thought. Is anyone else just like thinking this rush to green is like just about nauseating? How many of these "Go Greener's" are doing stuff like buying brita water filters and putting them on their water faucets at home and foregoing bottled water? I am a runner and I see hundreds of those plastic bottles discarded by the road sides and in the rivers and ponds. How come none of the political candidates ever talk about these little things that we each can do that can make such a big difference. Nope, it's the federal government to the resque. By gosh the feds are gonna fix everything. I must express my lack of confidence in this scenerio. Yah know it just raises my blood preasure and gets my pantaloons in a bunch. The thought of Clinton 3rd term Murray just does not work for me. There is way to much water under that bridge. I love my country, I love my Mom and I believe that we all need to dig deep within ourselves for answers. The government serves a purpous but when did stop believing that "we" can accomplishmany wonderful things on our own? End of times? I think not, but I do believe it is going to get a lot worse as long as we have a significant number of our country men and women that think the politicians are gonna be everything to all people. NOT GONNA HAPPEN>>>>>>>>This kind of thinking will have a miserable outcome. Isn't this fun, and I did not call anyone a name. Tah-Dah...

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

boerseun — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:00:38 GMT

This articele is nothing but a whitewash of Obama's flip-flops. This is typical liberal pandering to a far-left politician who is trying to capture votes in the center. Shame on you!

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Ezana — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:48:18 GMT

Anyone who took the time to listen to him or read his book (you know from cover to cover like the big kids do) would know that he has always been this far to the right. The only thing that's been added to this equation is the flawed study that called him the most liberal in the Senate. In reality he is right smack in the middle. Instead of spewing other peoples talking points why do you research. For example you could go to the Senate website and look at record (instead of listening to what someone else said about his record) and see his name next to republican names as a co-sponsor to scores of legislation. I do know this McCain is another Bush (on abortion, tax breaks/corporate welfare etc.) He calls trillions a year in tax breaks and subsidies for the oil industry "free market capitalism". It's really free money your pocket!

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

1sky7 — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:59:24 GMT

the responsibility change the complexions of self and mind view responsibility is the action at the ledge of mountains - at the ledge of mountains

the normal human action return back little footsteps - at the ledge of mountains there are the difference between the propaganda and the facts and the the facts mean the heavy center of human movement - so when the time running to the presidential election the two candidates take more established situation near from the center of facts - its not change from the two candidates but their real feeling of responsibility

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1sky7 — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:03:29 GMT

the responsibility change the complexions of self and mind view responsibility is the action at the ledge of mountains - at the ledge of mountains

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

vakosh — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:03:47 GMT

he's all over the place ... changing positions on everything, still has his camp hitting Hillary over the head, has the media focusing on the convention, when there is still a LOT of work to be done. He's like a bird flying aimlessly around ... I'm waiting till he lands to make any decisions.

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

willnotvoteobama — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:35:43 GMT

OBAMA SHIFTS FASTER THAN A TRUCK DRIVER GOING UP A HILL WITH A HEAVY LOAD !!1

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notroubleatall1963 — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:57:37 GMT

Hooray! I think Obama is going to be our next Prez, and what a welcome, thankful change.

I only hope he can make a dent in the dinosaurus-rex thinking that stiltifies the Right and prevents our country from making REAL PROGRESS toward a national health care system like France's, Germany's or Taiwan's - all excellent and FREE (oh, yes, we will pay more in taxes - but we will actually GET SOMETHING FOR OUR GADDAM DOLLARS for a change).

I can't wait until the US starts looking and thinking more intelligently among our peers instead of stubbornly insisting "it's our way or the highway" a la Prez Bushes.

I'm so hoping that the next Administration will have the courage and the intellect to pursue what is best - and I hope we can all come away in 4 - 8 years from now actually HAPPY with the way things have been going. That too will be a welcome change.

I know America will pick the best person - and it will overwhelmingly be Obama! Yipppeeee. How refreshing! Back to the Future once again.

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notroubleatall1963 — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:04:29 GMT

Conservative = The new "dirty word"

We've seen the term "Liberal" demonized in the past 20 years. It's time to turn the tables.

Conservatives = Stubborn, inflexible, old-school, backwoods, back-water, out-of-it, boring old farts, rigid, self-righteous, immoral (but think they're God's Gift to the White World), war-mongering, free-spending, illegal/illicit when it comes ot profiteering, hypocritical ("family values" - yeah, right), anti-gay, anti-liberal, anti-everything young, free and different.... Anti-diversity, nasty and mean (sometimes), dumb, settle for mediocrity (McSame), happy with the status quo (since when is that something to strive for, 9 times outa 10?).. self-glorifying, super-patriots, self-aggrandizing, ego-centric, egotists, and everything that is going wrong with this country.

Yeah, we've been hearing for years how bad "liberals" are for this country. Sure, we're morons too (us Liberals), and we've made mistakes, admittedly (education reform, for one big fat obvious one)... but overall, you might say our heart's in the right place... AND THE ECONOMY DOES BETTER WITH AN INTELLIGENT, THINKING LIBERAL-MINDED APPROACH THAN IT DOES WITH A CONSERVATIVE "TRICKLE-DOWN" B.S. APPROACH.

Bottom line - hate both sides, but vote for the betterment of our economy ... and that would be ...

OBAMA '08. Vote for someone with a BRAIN, not McCAIN.

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

Murray Rizberg — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:11:34 GMT

tastytart: I can't help it if you cannot understand simple English. Two points:

1. Where did I call anybody a name? I merely hypothesized - based on the condition to which our country has deteriorated (in case you have noticed) - that anybody who prefers a third Bush term (which is, on almost all the important issues, what McCain stands for) to a third Clinto term must be supid, insane, super-rich, or some combination thereof. You call it name-calling, I call it telling it like it is.

2. You wrote about me, "I guess you have enough money to not appreciate the extra dollars that those 'Evil Bush tax cuts' put in your pocket but I sure did." Did you not understand what I had written? Let's go back to MY words: "for the record: I paid more taxes in the first year of the Bush 'tax cuts' than I had the previous year even though my raise had generated only a couple of thousand extra bucks." Did you happent to notice the words "I PAID MORE IN TAXES" somewhere in there? Yes, that's right because the Bush "tax cuts" cut NOTHING from the taxes of peons like me! The Bush tax cuts are nothing more than a way for people like Bush to keep more for themselves; anything YOU might save is purely accidental.

I hope that clarifies matters for you. Finally, on another note: if you really - and I mean, seriously, truly, earnestly believe with your heart and mind - that the Clinton blow-job and ensuing lies did more to damage the Presidency and the United States than Bush's near-annihilation of the Constitution, then YOU, my friend, are either stupid or insane or both. The two men have almost nothing in common save their colossal egos. You claim that "character, trust, and honesty are virtues, basic requirements for one who is to hold the highest office in the land" - yet you say not one word of condemnation for George W. Bush and his imperial presidency. "Character, trust and honesty" - three concepts that are completely foreign to George W "Executice Privilege" Bush. One last time because you obviously still don't get it: CLINTON LIED ABOUT A PERSONAL MATTER; BUSH LIED ABOUT AN INTERNATIONAL SITUATION THAT HAS LED TO THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS AS WELL AS THE SEVERE EMOTIONAL AND/OR PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO THOUSANDS MORE. Yet it appears that you somehow cling to this notion that Clinton "shamed our nation on an ineternational level" more so than Bush shamed our nation by illegaly invading a country that posed no immediate threat to our nation. If this doesn't declare loud and clear that your principles are completely out of whack, I don't know what does. Seriously, if you truly believe everything you said, than I can only pity you because you have absolutely no clue what's important and what's not important when it comes to running this country.

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graham p — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:48:42 GMT

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. It's amazing how many are jumping in on this "flip flop" slander without factual support. It's totally false and yet it becomes "common knowledge".

I agree with you:

Obama has been consistent. People who say Obama “Flip Flops” expose themselves as a mouthpiece willing to speak without knowledge of the facts or a partisan willing to sacrifice their personal integrity.

There are so many records of speeches, interviews, and debates.

Why don’t we see side-by-side clips with reference showing the contradiction?

It’s because they doesn’t exist!

My question is how do unsupported smears on Obama become common beliefs?

Why doesn't the press have to footnote and reference their accusations as much as anyone writing a term paper?

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NO OOOOOOOOO — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:17:06 GMT

We have seen them...perhaps you just ignored them...as is customary for Obama supporters...ignore anything potentially negative...nothing will change your minds.

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

Jose52 — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:29:49 GMT

To Murray, I thank you and will try to respond to yours points.

The Iraq war, we're Winning! The media does not want to report it and most Americans get factual news from the Brits! Shameful.

The International comm...Jesse's Gaffe. The Libs push the hype but thousands of people still wait in line wanting to live in the USA. Your Kool aid is Shameful.

The Clinton used the DOJ shamefully with lost files and problems and the head, Burt, left in shame.

The gap has been created by the Dems and their poor choices. Lets try drilling and increasing the supply of Oil and truly help the middle class by keeping our dollars here. Shameful blindness.

Obama will hire qualified Chicago gangland cronies, Dem lobby millionaires, and Rev wright types who will solve all our social problems. Shame on you for buying and pushing the spin.

You believe the whine about Health Care. We are losing control over entiltments and social Security problems. You must push for clarity in the issue where Health care, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security have to be solved. Lets go to England or Canada for care; no wait... they come here for thier special services.

The tax cuts were in response to 9/11 and I believe they saved our economy. Shame on you.

Slick Willie's humble sins with Gennifer and Monica ( I wont bring up the blue dress) with all his humility bill pointed his finger at you and Americans. Shame on you for not have intergity and high moral standards to expect more from President. No wait... you want a admitted crack user.

GW cannot compare to bambi's telepromter skills, but he has done his best. You are still in a Hate Bush mindset where everything is Bush Bad. Bush stole Fla! You are allowing this inconsistent dem to take the highest office in the land because you cannot get over Bush hate. Shame!!! Shameful. I hope bambi can deal with the madman in Iran.

Since were wining in Iraq lets pull out now. Barry is not ready. Lets see FISA, Public financing, Aborting borned babies, and other flips. Barry does things for polictics; while the Iranian are adults and play for keeps for thier Allah and thier Missile Tests. They will test him. he is a lightweigth with no exeperience. For NIIN, Obama is a radical leftist with the voting record to prove it, not counting the 130 presents he didnt have the balls to count Y or N. Ohh wait Jesse just cut them off. To all dems... when you pull the lever for bambi and choose , know at that moment he will be your deffender and protector. He will blink,,he will not motivate you or our troops. he will lose face and change directions, say one thing and not follow thru. May god bless you and all Americans.

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

vakosh — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:53:20 GMT

yawn, yawn, yawn ... Obama is soooo BORING without Hillary .... now one cares

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Murray Rizberg — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:17:00 GMT

To NO OOOOOO000: "as is customary for Obama supporters...ignore anything potentially negative...nothing will change your minds."

Go back through my posts and find the instances where I do not ignore Obama' negatives, both real and potential. I hope you weren't lumping me in with the blind followers.

You are correct, though: nothing will change my mind because Obama IS better than McCain to lead this country right now, no matter how many false statements and RNC talking points McCain supporters regurgitate.

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

Murray Rizberg — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:33:10 GMT

It's getting difficult to argue here, Jose52. If you continue to ignore the truly important matters or reality itself, there's not much I can say that's going to make any sense to you. I'm going to ignore (for now) the rest of your post and concentrate on the very beginning of it. You wrote:

"The Iraq war, we're Winning! The media does not want to report it and most Americans get factual news from the Brits! Shameful."

First I have to point out that the end of this comment is self-defeating. By saying "most Americans get factual news from the Brits," you're basically saying that "most Americans get NON-FACTUAL news from the Americans." Call me crazy, if you will, but I think it's more shameful to get fake news from my own country than it is to get the factual news from somebody else! Just a thought.

But now onto the meat of this comment. I happily accept that progress is being made in Iraq, but the situation as a whole is simply unwinnable. Here's why: pre-supposing that we invaded Iraq for no other reason than to "liberate" it, then we are obligated to do as the fairly elected Iraqi government asks us to do. After all, that's why we invaded them - to free them to make their own decisions. It would be a terrible example of us (to say the least) if we "liberated" the Iraqi people only to impose OUR will when it comes time for them to decide which armies occupy their land. Now, if the leaders of our country believe that this "fairly elected Iraqi government"is a bit too friendly to Iranian interests, do you TRULY believe that we are going to respect the "freedom" we gave them and leave their country even though it is not in OUR best, short-term economic interests? No way, Jose. In fact, I'm still not convinced even Obama would pull out the troops in this instance despite his claims. Now we are faced with the prospect of occupying Iraq indefinitely until the Iraqi people "fairly elect" somebody WE approve. Does this sound like true freedom to you? So, if you're an Iraqi, the war is already lost because you simply have not been truly liberated to make your own decisions. Assuming our leaders follow the historical examples set by our government's actions in Guatemala, Nicaragua, Haiti, Chile and Iran (just to name a few) and thus feel the need to keep our military present in Iraq because we do not approve of the government they fairly elected, we must now consider the consequences of maintaining this American military presence in Iraq for an even longer time than we've had thus far. Contrary to what President Bush would have the American people believe, Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda or any other terrorist or terrorist organization does not "hate us for our freedoms" - that is a load of crapola of the stinkiest kind, my friend. In fact, Bin Laden was VERY clear about why he attacked us on 9/11 and why he continues to plan attacks against us: because of our military (some would say colonial) presence in the Middle East, NOT because of our freedoms. Assuming Bin Laden was not lying about his stated reasons for attacking us, do you think our continued military presence in Iraq is going to please or displease the likes of Osama Bin Laden? I don't know about you, Jose, but my money is on the "displease" bet. And what do people like Osama Bin Laden do when they become displeased with America? They attack us. Thus, our continued presence in Iraq is going to make it more dangerous for us in the long run because people like Bin Laden will be planning to attack our country in retribution for actions in their part of the world . . . again.* If angry Muslims (or angry Muslim sympathizers) are planning to attack our country, this means our intelligence agencies and militaries are going to have to work even more diligently in order to prevent another terrorist attack in the future. In other words, post-Bush presidential administrations are going to have to pay for the actions of George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq for years, possibly decades, to come. Do you consider this inevitable situation to be the result of our "winning" the war in Iraq, Jose? Or that the war was ever winnable in the first place? If you truly believe this war is and ever was winnable, you may as well believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy as well, my friend. And if you believe that we invaded Iraq in order to "liberate" it, you may as well believe in those same mythological figures as well because that's simply not why we invaded it.

*It is simple, provable fact that Bin Laden attacked us because of our military presence in the Middle East, more precisely in Saudi Arabia. And honestly I cannot say I blame Bin Laden for being pissed off that the U.S. feels like it can plop itself down anywhere it wants to in the world and not acknowledge that some people might not like this habit. But that is where my empathy for his cause ends. As Osama Bin Laden's own son has pronounced, the elder Bin Laden's methods are the problem. Violence and murder merely create more violence and murder - rarely is there an exception - and they are almost never truly effective in achieving one's goals no matter how justified those goals might be. Simply put, the U.S. is mostly at fault for creating Bin Laden's animosity for our country, but Bin Laden (along with his co-horts) is ENTIRELY to blame for the cold-blooded murder of thousands on 9/11. As such, we as a nation must find a way to stop creating reasons for them to hate us because they most certainly do not hate us "for our freedoms" as some less-than-credible people in this country would have us believe.

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Pandora1 — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:43:24 GMT

Mr. Romano glossed over OhNo's equivocation on Abortion Rights, wherein he said abortion was not necessary for "mental stress" reasons alone' ; I suppose inability to financially care for a child, or work at a low paying job while paying child care is not sufficient cause for mental stress. As with all issues affecting women, (and why many millions of Democratic women will not vote for him, myself included) Mr. Obama fails to see the larger picture of what is at stake: lower pay, lack of education and training due to child-bearing, crappy and expensive child care facilities, and lack of support from now non-exsistent extended families and an uncaring government make for a HUGE amount of distress, both on the mother and on society-at-large.

And, Oh yes, most Clinton supporters who are not supporting Obama are not just disappointed that a "woman didn't make the White House," but are dissatisfied with BOTH presidential candidates, and see BOTH of them as failing to see, much less address, issues relating to women and children in American society. Senator Clinton has spent her whole life doing just that, thank you very much, and not just paying lip service to it as Mr. Obama has done throughout his brief, very tenuous political career.

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sixhandicap — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:01:08 GMT

THESE GD DEMOCRATS MUST BE STOPPED!

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below...............

Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 20 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

This woman is frightening.

She quotes...' We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.' ( I am not rich, are you)

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied: 'We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'.' (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. 'Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it'.

Copy and send it on to your friends. I just did!! This lady is out of her mind and she is the speaker of the house!

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

Cecilpau — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:08:33 GMT

Obama is contesting to be the President of all the people of the USA. He is not competing with McCain to be the President for only the Liberal and Left Democrats. The Primaries were by and large a contest among Democrats. He has to be attractive to voters on a National Scale. He is balancing the competing interests of the various groups in the country. His policies must of necessity take into consideration the various views, concerns and interests of all. He cannot win by catering only to the Left and Liberal positions. We of the left need to be more understanding and see the need for concensus positions from Obama. Policies that will attract the majority of the Centrists and some Conservatives.Obama will only win the Presidency if he is able to forge a broad coalition amongst Liberals, the Left, Centrists, Faith Based Groups, Women and a winning percentage of Conservatives. Obama's objective is to win over the latter four groups - Centrists, Faith Based Groups, Women and some Conservatives. He cannot win the Presidential Race without the required support from these four Groups.

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clikdawg — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:47:54 GMT

Do not fret, sixhandicap -- in the unlikely event that Pelosi & Company actually passed such a measure, those illegal immigrants would see scarcely a penny of the revenue thus presumably raised on their behalf. Once the votes obtained by waving Free Money around were counted and an electoral victory based on them secured, the money would go elsewhere (as it always does).

Hey -- if there ain't one bein' born every minute no more, you need to import your suckers, savvy?

re: Deconstructing Obama's 'Shift to the Center'

gcrowe — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:20:12 GMT

if a man says he will stay in the house all night would be a fool to stay if the house start burning down. all through life people have to make adjustmentments. if they don't they will never be successful in life. the world changes every day and you have to change with it. if a politician doenot change when the situation calls for change he is a fool. when pesident carter left office this country was nine hundred million dollars in debt. when reagan left office we were three trillion dollars in debt. when bush one left office we were four trillion dollars in debt. clinton came in and balance the budget and left a huge surplus. the second bush got into office and gave the surplus to the rich and told the poor that they will get the crumbs the rich saw fit to give them and thats all we poor poeple got crumbs. this second bush has run the nation debt up from the four trillions dollars to ten tilllion dollars. there is no way anyone can straight this mess out. we are borrowing money from germany, china, and japan to keep this nation afloat. any one can spend some one else's money to make himself look good, but one day will come when you have to pay back the the money you borrow to make yourself look good. bush know he will be long gone when that day comes. a friend of bush said we are nothing but whiners because we are losing every thing we have and crying for help. God is the only one that can help us now, because the man in the white house can not. he has taken every thing he could see we had and now he want to take the only thing we have left which is out ability to whine,

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mdenson@aol.com — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:31:01 GMT

I have been thinking bhat Pelosi was crazy, now i KNOW she is. After what she, Reid and the rest of the DNC have done to the Democratic Party, they should be kicked out of our Party. They have taken over all our votes and put them where they wanted them. I know Pelosi is so da*n afraid that Clinton was going to be the nominee for our President and SHE WANTS TO BE THE FIRST WOMAN TO RUN FOR THE OFFICE. Well, people, we should all let her know, THERE IS NO WAY SHE WILL EVER BE A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!! She just killed her chances by disrespecting the USA voters of America. If she thinks I will vote for HER CHOICE, she ia aoooooo very wrong, BUT I will not vote for MCCain either. There will be other choices on the ballot in NOV.!