Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

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not.Brit — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:42:56 GMT

I know I sound like a broken record, but this is another example of the power of an effective ground game. One of Obama's most powerful strengths (evidenced by today's roll out of at least 16 local surrogates hitting McCain on his "houses" gaffe) is his ability to organize. For all her strengths, Hillary only became a populist after her firewall strategy failed and Edwards dropped out. Hillary ended the primary is massive debt and had literally closed the doors on her campaign offices in states that had already voted. If Obama appears to be behind in the money race, Hillary would be absolutely demolished.

I would also take exception to the idea that the Republican party is "already pretty united." In fact, it's extremely fractured. Possibly more fractured than ever. The evangelical base is unhappy (just listen to Huckabee). The so-called neo-conservatives who gave us PNAC are frustrated (just listen to Bill Kristol). The fiscal conservatives are rapidly becoming Libertarian (just listen to Bob Barr). The personal responsibility wing of the party (so popular in the early 80's) gave up years ago. And the free-marketers are openly calling the Republicans in Congress "hypocrites."

As evidence of this fracture, you need to look no further than the McCain campaign. Since they recognize how disunited the party is ideologically, they are running with a theme that they think all Republicans can get behind: "Defeat Obama" (not, it should be noted, "Elect McCain").

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dado — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:55:39 GMT

if no clinton for vp im gping republican and my wife and son also

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dado — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:56:48 GMT

if no clinton for vp im gping republican and my wife and son also

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robt55 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:07:31 GMT

What a stupid question. Why not ask "Would Lincoln (remember, he was a Republican) be crushing Noscama? - It's about a relevant.

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charliefromtexas — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:08:18 GMT

Obama -- stop running like an Incumbent. Run like a challenger!

I am just sick and tired of hearing/watching McCain as if he is not Bush. McCain, Bush, Republican, ... those who do their best to protect the interests of .... big oils and big corporate america. They don't give it *** about the average working class americans.

The american dumb and the dumber votes time and again yet another bush into office.

Obama, yo better get mad and run an angry campaign. Get mad and get pissed at the state of this country and they way McCains ad Bushed ditched this country into this horable shape.

Obama, you better get angry now. Else, even I can trash you.

Obama, you are no incumbent. You are a little demcrat challenging the mighty reupublican machine.

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Damien — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:12:15 GMT

Obama is losing points to McCain because he abandoned the progressive base that got him past the "Republican-lite" Clinton when he voted for the FISA bill and decided off-shore drilling was a good idea.

As for Clinton supporters voting for McCain, such as dado, go to hell. It's no surprise to me that a Clinton supporter would abandon their principles so easily. Do the issues mean nothing to you? McCain will just be a continuation of the last 8 years.

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acarponzo — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:14:11 GMT

I think the "HILLARY EFFECT" is still here until after the convention. Then, I think we will see it go away. I do know that the real-time open poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com has McCain with the lowest count. He is still below 200,000 while Obama is steadily heading toward 450,000. "HILLARY EFFECT?"

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cafenitro — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:20:33 GMT

Obama is a fool if he doesn't pick Hillary as VP. You have to win to be President. You could easily sideline a VP if they get in your hair but hindsight is 20/20, baby.

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Shalom Freedman — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:23:12 GMT

It is clear now that Clinton , with her solid record in the Senate and great experience would have been a stronger Democratic candidate.

But it is also irrelevant.

The Democrats have Obama and if they want to win, they have to get behind him wholly. If they allow the center of the stage to the Clintons they will be in trouble. What should have been a walkover for them may turn out to be Dewey- Truman.

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robt55 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:25:31 GMT

Noscama been a little too busy playing President to worry about winning the election. If I see another photo of him going up or down a planes staircase, I'm going to puke more than I do everytime he changes his position on some significant policy. Looks like NOscama fooled everyone...especially the Democratic core that tossed Hillary under the bus for the phony.

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sparkleme — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:25:37 GMT

If the Dem Delegates and Super Delegates hadn't followed one after another and actually gave some thought to the matter of who would be the best candidate instead of jumping over the edge like a bunch of lemmings fueled by the media's hype about Obama and his message of "Change" (please, really, enough is enough) , Hilary would be the DNC nominee. To bad so sad, we just handed the White House to McCAIN

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shortjames — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:29:05 GMT

This line of thought is way too convenient since it can never be tested.

THIS Democrat is voting for Obama, but if Hillary was the nominee I would vote for McCain.

It works both ways.

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Dazed and Confused — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:30:59 GMT

If Obama is too stupid, too egotistical, and/or too much under the thumb of his wife to ask Sen. Clinton, then he deserves to lose--as he almost certainly will. Lincoln said it best: a house divided cannot stand. And none of these other unity band aids Obama has put in place will unite the Democrats.

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ca.dem — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:51:09 GMT

Interesting question – as you do point some very disturbing facts for Democrats. Clearly Obama did not get a bump from winning the Democratic nomination. Why? It definitely is not for the lack of support of Hillary and the party. Beyond the “hope” that is Obama, the evidence points out he has failed to connect with the mainstream of voters. The former university professor with the excellent oratory skills appears to have reached his plateau in appeal. Remember, that after it became a one-on-one race between Hillary and Obama in the ending stretch of the nomination, Hillary was winning in popular votes and gaining momentum. The voters were clearly choosing her over Obama when given the choice: Obama or Clinton. I believe Hillary would be burying McCain about now.

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C. MacLean — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:51:11 GMT

WWHD? She would lose to McCain hands down. The repubs would have had even more of a field day with her than they are with Obama, and so would the press. The press didn't like her to begin with - that wouldn't have changed in the general election.

She has more baggage than Obama - and then there's Bill, a time bomb in his own right.

She is also closer to McCain ideologically than Obama is, and closer to Bush in personality than Obama is.

Obama-McCain gives people much more of a choice, but Clinton-McCain is much more of the same old same old.

The polls mean nothing - its August, and people aren't paying that much attention yet. Obama cut his teeth on Chicago politics - only NY and Louisianna play harder. McCain is from Arizona and Clinton is from Arkansas, although she got some seasoning from the razors in NY, but clearly not enough.

Don't count Obama down or out - he's a cool customer, and he's got some tricks up his sleeve that will leave McCain in the dust.

After all - what did Hilary do? She lost. To Obama.

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mjno — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:59:03 GMT

Hillary Clinton is simply the best choice for POTUS.

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phyl35 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:01:15 GMT

I am completely 100% for Obama and I vehemently disagree with the assumptions of the Clintonistas. I and most of my friends dislike Hillary with a passion and we were more than willing to support John McCain if it meant she and Bill didn't get back into power. If she was the nominee I would 100% back McCain.

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Alex01 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:11:21 GMT

Ah, but here's the beauty part. Now Barack Obama has shown himself to be unqualified and unelectable. It's not Senator Clinton's fault that he is such a bonehead. So that issue is moot. She is not stealing anything from anyone - Obama is basically handing her the nomination by being the worst serious contender for the presidency in the history of the United States. And the only one who did any stealing was Barack Obama.

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tre_wc — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:12:28 GMT

What is it with this recent trend in magazines to quote individual anonymous comments from blogs? This is most rampant when "reporting" on China due to the lack of Chinese-language skills and reliance on local "contributors" (where the western media reports blog comments and anonymous people on the street - i.e. people the contributors know or made up - like the actual living pulse of the people), but to pretend like the random comments of a few nameless opiners has anything to do with reality is absolutely dumb and just plain lazy journalism, no, not even "journalism", just facile sensationalism. I would say the author should be fired, but then, everyone is doing it and the sweating masses don't mind, so I'll just say I respect neither Newsweek nor this author.

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Flash Drive — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:16:27 GMT

The same can be said for me and my friends,we are 100% for Hillary and definitely will not be voting for Obama. Most of us will be voting for McCain.

Obama is just a full of words and lack any substance.He has won the Democratic nomination by projecting homself as a catalyst of change, but the more he is scrutinised the more it becomes obvious he is like any other politician.

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not.Brit — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:18:49 GMT

The reason why Hillary won't be VP is spelled out pretty clearly in the comments. Hillary's hardcore supporters still believe that she is the better candidate. They are free to believe this and it's fine, but there are two major problems with it. First, Hillary's attacks on Obama during the primaries, specifically that he is not ready to be president, are completely off message and damages the party as a whole (why would she run with someone she said was unqualified?).

Second, and I wish I could make this bold, Hillary's hardcore supporters still believe these attacks are true (again, evidenced by comments on this very story). Why would Obama pick a VP to appease a small group of people who don't think he's qualified to begin with? What does he accomplish? Why would he even WANT to appease a tiny, but vocal group of people who think he's "stupid, too egotistical, and/or too much under the thumb of his wife?"

Hillary "supporters" who are so prideful that they will not vote for any other Democrat are, put simply, not listening to Hillary. Hillary "supporters" who say they'll vote for McCain are specifically undermining everything Hillary has worked for her entire life.

To tell the truth, I wouldn't mind if Hillary were VP, but she killed her own chances of that when she spent time and money trying to undermine her Democratic rival.

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SPORTLOCK09 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:20:20 GMT

If Hilary was the nominee this election would be over faster then the Republicans choose their nominee John McCain. And this Republican surely would have voted Democrat for the first time in my adult life. Landslide victory, President Hilary Rodham Clinton!!!!! Boy the Dems sure f*cked themselve on this one

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SPORTLOCK09 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:22:32 GMT

Posted By: HarleyisHere (August 21, 2008 at 4:13 PM)

mccain is just bought and sold, first BIG OIL buys him for (as of the end of July) $1,580,000.00, then Gruzia buys him for $800,000.00. The only "hard choice" for mccain is who will pay more.

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You know I hear Planned Parenthood is paying big money if you can live with murdering children. Oh yeah, they already bought their candidate. LMAO

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tbliss — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:25:59 GMT

Memo to Flashdrive and your friends: Your plan to vote for McCain is sadly counter-productive. Please...it's time to let go. Keep in mind: SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS. 'Nuff said.

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Obama 08 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:41:57 GMT

Ok all you Clintonites go ahead vote McCain. It will be the end of this country as we know it if he is elected. Of course maybe all of you are among the wealthy elite. You won't have anything to worry about in that case.Your lives will go on as usual while the rest of us peons will lose our homes,pay even more for health care,continue to send our children to substandard schools and sink all our tax dollars into one war after another after another. Because that's all McCain is interested in or knows anything about. He would be one of the most dangerous people ever to hold this office. He salivates at the thought of getting to push the red button. Don't believe that? Go ahead and elect him.

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just jerry — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:04:38 GMT

It would be much easier to think about Obama if there wasn't so much hate for Hillary from his camp. It makes us wonder if we, as former Hillary supporters, are even part of the coalition Obama is trying to put together. The change they are talking about is as anti-Hillary as it is anything else.

Why shouldn't we as former Hillary backers question why we should vote for a man that has so little respect for our political viewpoints?

At least McCain has shown his willingness to work between parties, Obama and his supporters aren't even willing to do that within their own [political party.

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hgabrahamson — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:04:41 GMT

Three months ago I wouldn't have given McCain a snowballs chance and couldn't bekieve we nominated him. It was inconceivable to me that the dems could blow this one. I even started to admit to my leftist sister that maybe a change would be OK!

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Tahnk You very much!

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baracus2008 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:04:51 GMT

I don't know if she would be beating him but she definitely would have been fighting back a lot earlier and harder.

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dmcs — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:19:23 GMT

Wake up Hillary Clinton supporters, she lost the campaign!!! Many of you, sound like nothing but poor losers. Are you interested in whom can properly run this country? Or are you more interested

in having a temper tantrum, and act like a spoiled brat? Is this America, or have we become a country of priviledged Kings & Queens? If Obama would've been as rude as Hillary, he would've been looked as a sterotypical violent African-American. Yet, since he's accepted his role as a

democratic nominee, in a classical manner, many look at him as being weak. Damned if he do, damned it he doesn't, he still can't satisfy many hypocritcal white Americans!!

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hillarylovesbarack — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:29:34 GMT

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The only thing dumber than a Hillary supporter saying they will support McCain is an Obama supporter saying they will vote for McCain if Hillary is on the ticket. GROW UP!

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HillaryRocks08 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:36:04 GMT

While no one expects Obama or any of his supporters to bow down to Clinton supporters and appease them you could at least 'admit' that the rift exists. If you can spend all your time trying to appease independants, and unsure republicans then you can spend a little time tring to heal the wounds of the earlier primaries. Your attitudes are always GET OVER IT but if the tables were turned and Hillary won at lot of you would be bitter and angy, holding grudges especially African American's. I have a right to say this because i am an African American male myself.

Your attitudes have been all along "We don't need Hillary's supporters!" Woulden't it be just as childish for Barak to loose because you all dismissed Clinton and her supporters as it would be for Clinton supporters not to vote for Barak because Hillary's name wasn't on top of the ticket? The rift is real and just as like it or not Barak is the nominnee...like it or not there still are people out there not happy about that. It's their vote..they can vote for whomever they want. When I as an American American hear fellow African Americans call me a sellout and are disgusted with me because I support Hillary, how do you think that makes me feel? Because I just don't blindly support ther first viable African American for president makes me a sellout? Because I'm still not sold on the democratic nominee that makes me wrong? Do you think those type of negative comments and attacks is going to steer me in Barak's direction anytime soon?

Look alot of us know what is at stake here with this election. Were not stupid. Just as some of us are concerned with gas prices the economy, education, job security e.t.c. and are upset with the failed policies of Bush some of us are just as concerned with the stewardship of a firm hand in international issues with the war in Iraq and dealing with Iran, Russia and a superpower in the wings in China. We have a tough choice here and some of us don't make up our minds overnight. Some of us are concerned with mccain's age and his misteps and sometimes what appears to be memory lapses. While others are concerned with Obama's popularity surge and meteroric rise out of nowhere overnight and are concerned that the substance will not be there to lead once the hype machine dies down. These are legitimate concerns and It's up to the VOTERS to decide, not you. If you like barak--vote for him...if you like Mccain...vote for him. Let YOUR vote stand for something. However don't tell anyone else or even the die hard disgruntled hillary fans who or who not to vote for. That's for them to decide. Did you ever consider some Clinton supporters aren't voting for barak because hillary lost. Thiier not voting for him because behind all the smokescreen and mirriors there just not impressed with him yet and maybe never will be.

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swimfast — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:38:06 GMT

As a Clinton supporter, it has nothing to do with "us" losing but fear that the country will. We live in a democracy and just because my candidate did not win the nomination, doesn't mean I just "give" my vote to Obama. He has to earn it. Aside from the challenge Hillary was for him, he has been given everything by the party. I will probably vote for Obama. It will not be a pro-Obama vote or an anti-Mccain vote. It will be an anti-Republican vote. God help us if Obama closes the deal and things fall apart during his administration. Imagine the next batch of Republicans to rule. Obama himself is not as vetted as his VP choices and with new foreign policy challenges (Russia for one) it is a cause for concern.

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jhunter72 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:41:45 GMT

As Clinton pointed out in the primary, the people that were so gung ho for Obama were mostly those in the democratic base, those that would overwhelmingly vote Democrat no matter who the candidate is. Clinton won over independents and moderates, those that could go either way, especially with a more moderate Republican nominee like McCain. Frankly, I'm one of those sitting back saying (to myself) "I knew it". It just makes me so mad that the media and the Party pushed this guy up up up and inflated him so that people would get aw struck and vote for him, with no knowledge of what he is about. WE, the USA, lost our best hope, and our best candidate, because of the idiocy that occured in the primary. How can the Party be so stupid?!?! I know Clinton didn't run the best campaign, but she could have still won with the superdelegates - those who were supposed to be there to ensure the strongest candidate would get nominated (I won't even go into the ridiculous ruling on Florida and Michigan that handed Obama the nomination). This country just makes me so mad sometimes, why are we so bandwagon? It just doesn't get us anywhere, no wonder we are sinking. I shouldn't be surprised, the USA elected Bush twice.

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ToadTreeHugger — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:03:00 GMT

The "real reason she lost" was not due to her campaign but to an overwhelming bias in the media. This is the first time Ramano has given any credit to Clinton at all. Even with all the media's hype, Obama barely pulled ahead of Clinton. He was outspending her 4 to 1! It shows that no matter how much Obama spends or how much the media spends promoting him, Obama still can't win.

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E. J. Neila — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:09:42 GMT

Clinton would not be far ahead of McCain because of her past: White Water, Vince Foster, Travel Gate, A Failed Universal Health Care Bill, Greatly Diminished African American Support; the Clinton Library; The Republicans would jell like Jello on a cold day; her intergrity was jepodarized for lying about Sniper Fire in Bosia, how would Ex-President function, and the list goes on and on. YES, some women might vote for her but that is not enough and some of her supporters would desert her after all the negative campaigning. Barack's handlers are not sharp and realistic enough to know that he must address this negativity otherwise, he wil face the same end from Carter to Gore. The DNC has a problem and this is why our candidates loose. They need to get busy and a little dirty without being personal. In this case the TRUTH IS MORE THAN ENOUGH. Roll out the ads with our money.

J. Neila

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E. J. Neila — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:09:42 GMT

J. Neila

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tired and old — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:13:03 GMT

JOHN MC CAIN CAN'T REMEMBER THINGS !

WICKED WITCH HILLARY CLINTON REMEMBERS THINGS; HOWEVER, HER REMEMBRANCE CHANGES AS SHE EMBELLISHES FACT.

WICKED WITCH HILLARY DESERVES THE TITLE OF BIGGEST LIAR TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF SENATOR. HILLARY IS A MISERABLE LUMP OF DOG ***; BUT , THEN SHE IS A CLINTON.

GENE UPSHAW WAS REPORTED TO HAVE SAID " IF YOU DON'T CHEAT, YOUR NOT DOING YOUR JOB ". WELL ! GENE, DOES HILLARY CLINTON SURPASS YOUR HIGHEST EXPECTATIONS IN THE CHEAT CATEGORY ?

GENE UPSHAW WAS A REALLY GOOD NFL PLAYER, JUST IGNORE THE FOULS.

SORRY ! HILLARY. YOUR JUST NO GOOD --------------- PERIOD !

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Perusing-through — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:30:43 GMT

HILLARY IS THE REASON FOR OBAMA and DEMOCRATS POLL NUMBERS

Mr. Andrew Romano,

I'm disappointed with your article. But I will excuse you due to your youth. I understand short-sightedness is a common mate of youth, and wisdom does not always gravitate to the young. However, since you put together so many interesting articles in the past, and since I'm looking forward to more in the future, I will graciously cut you some slack.

The primary reason Obama's poll numbers are where they are today starts first with Hillary. Here are the reasons:

[1.] - - Everyone astute in the science of political campaigns knew the day after "Little Super Tuesday" (5-March-2008) the gig was up for Hillary. Obama led in: (a.) most states won, (b.) most money raised, (c.) most total votes, and (d.) most combined delegates. Yet your journalist colleagues wearing wimpy pinstripes refused to "tell it like it is". IT IS OVER HILLARY. That is all the news pundits and Super Delegates had to say. (But this doesn't surprise me because the same wimpy journalist and Super Delegates hardly question Bush's insistent on a war with Iraq). If Hillary had not prolonged the inedible, Obama and the Democratic Party would have had more time to prepare and gather resources for a fight with McCain. Instead, the reverse is true, McCain had three months (March-4th to June-3rd) to build his attack machine against Obama, whom McCain and Hillary simultaneously tag-teamed.

[2.] - - Since the last primary contest in June, Senator Obama has been busy healing and band-aiding the Clinton's 'wombs'. These are wombs she and Bill created. Wombs like her $22-million campaign debt. Obama has wasted nearly 2 ½ months kissing their bu*** just to bring the party back together. And while Bill is acting like a kid threatening to take his bat & ball home, Hillary is thumb sucking with her dolls. SHAME ON THE CLINTONS!

[3.] - - Thirdly, Camp McCain has not hid the fact that Hillary has helped them write their current general election playbook. Hillary's negative character attacks were combined with the GOP "Swift-Boat" attack strategy. This has made the nasty Republican attack machine even nastier than what Gore and Kerry faced. Thank you Bill & Hillary Clinton. Every where the Clinton's go, chaos is sure to follow. Prior to Clinton's audacious kitchen-sink strategy, the McCain camp was very timid about their current strategy. Now Hillary's negative attacks against her own party comrades, is sharpened and now used against the Obama and the Democrats.

Since Obama displayed great respect and dignity to the Clintons during the campaign (even though the Clintons did not return the same), and since there is very little light between their political views, and since the nation and world cannot tolerate a 3rd Bush term (actually I suspect McCain will be far worst than Bush), and since the Democratic Party desperately need to get the helm of this ship, , , , , , , you would think the Clintons would be good team players and get out there and fight to save the nation and their party.

In summary Mr. Romano, your peers need to get some backbone and start acknowledging where the fault truly lies. Hillary people need to own up to their roll in today's poll numbers, and the wimpy news journalist & TV pundits should acknowledge that Hillary's "3-months extended stay" was counterproductive to Obama and the Democratic race for Presidency.

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miriamac — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:42:45 GMT

No!

He would be crushing her. All they can come up w/ against Obama is an aging 60's radical & a whacked out old minister.

W/ her. The Wal-mart board while her husband was governor to the money the Clintons have taken from Dubai. (Did I mention Monica, the Lincoln bedroom, pardongate, travelgate (heck more gates than a race track.)

Let's face it. Ron Paul could whup her w/o breathing hard. McCain? by November she'd be on her way to the big house not the White House.

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stematwork — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:46:43 GMT

in case anyone is wondering...the superdelegates haven't officially cast a vote yet. they've only PLEDGED to vote.

the actual voting goes down at the convention.

food for thought.

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libertarius — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:58:57 GMT

I'm not a supporter of Obama, hate McCain and positively loathe Clinton (and her husband). So I have no dog in this fight. But as a purely political matter, if Obama is not going to pick Clinton as his VP, he shouldn't have waited so long and orchestrated such a hyperbolic build-up to the announcemeent. Because at this point anyone else, with the possible exception of Jim Webb, a potential rock-star in his own right, is going to seem anti-climatic in the extreme. And now the next Vice-President of the United State, Biden-Bayh, Sabellius, Kaine, Richardson...in other words, Thud.

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Auzziebird — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:04:33 GMT

Hypothetical question, Mr. Romano. Although, despite all of the other biased comments posted here, I would have to agree with you. Seems like every day a new and complex issues arises in the political arena that neither Obama or McCain have the experience to address intelligently. I must say that Obama has a smooth presentation and the charisma to carry it off, but McCain is, well, old and (c)rusty - if you get what I mean. All I've ever hear him talk about is his time as a prisioner of war and although that is commendable in itself, it isn't going to carry him very far in this election. It will be interesting to see what happens at the Democratic Convention. We might all be very surprised.

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PacificGatePost — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:31:34 GMT

THE HILLARY POWERHOUSE

There is an undeniable force that shouldn’t be discounted and should be appreciated.

Hillary Clinton knows her game, and her experience is paying off.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/08/obamas-negotiating-weak-or-inept.html

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cobalt6 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:33:48 GMT

Great article! Hillary Clinton should have been the nominee, she could have won against McCain in November. If the democrats are smart and really want to win the White House they could still nominate Clinton at the convention, it would be the best move they could make. Clinton as V.P. would not help Obama either.

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Morgalker23 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:35:44 GMT

Would she be? Her whips might say so. For a funnier account, check out 23/6's new article on her. It's great.

http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/21/spend_the_week_with_hillary_pa_8421.php

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Carol L. — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:47:32 GMT

It’s clear that Clinton supporters are justifiably unwilling to overlook the media and DNC bias toward the first female Presidential candidate, how inexperienced Obama is, or how little effort the Obama camp has made to bring Hillary voters on board. For weeks, “discussion” on the blogs over these issues has been heated and intense. It seems the polls are now beginning to reflect this reality.

Obama has shown little respect for Hillary or Hillary voters, first by dragging out the VP choice and not offering it to her, when she clearly earned it. Choosing her would have handed the Democrats a White House win by a landslide! Instead, there’s now a lot of stumbling around to see who else might make a difference on the ticket. Joe Biden aside, the other two candidates being considered would bring little to the table. If he doesn't choose her, I think this error in judgment will prove to be among Obama’s biggest blunders. Secondly, Obama has ignored Hillary voters at a time when he simply couldn’t afford to do that. It was folly to assume, as he seems to have done, that he was entitled to every Democratic vote--especially after what took place in the primaries--or that he could win without Hillary voters. His unwillingness to reach out to them, or, we assume, to offer her the VP slot has been short-sighted, arrogant and is coming back to haunt him now.

Obama is already showing the kind of President he’ll be through these first floundering Presidential choices. Hillary’s candidacy--and the enormous number of votes she drew---broke centuries of discrimination, just as Obama’s candidacy did. She accomplished what she did, despite the media and DNC bias against her!! Imagine what she could have done, had things been balanced and fair. Was her accomplishment any less deserving of celebration, respect and recognition than Obama's? Why wasn’t he astute enough to act on what would have been best for our country: Hillary as VP, right from the start. The momentum and exhilaration would have been palpable. Refusing to honor the voice of half of the electorate, those who voted for her, may well cost the Democrats (& all of us), in a year when a landslide victory should be a given.

All of this reconfirms Hillary voters’ concern about Obama’s readiness to be President. If he doesn't have the maturity, perspective and insight to appropriately address these problems, if he’s incapable of bringing ALL Democrats together to establish the unity and hope IN HIS OWN PARTY that he says he stands for & surely needs to win, if he cares so little about the older women and working class voters that he couldn't be bothered reaching out to address otheir concerns & work to secure their votes, and if Obama and his handlers are willing to go to unconscionable limits to control and suppress the Hillary backers at the convention, what does this say about the kind of President Obama would be? After 8 years of Bush’s “King George decider reign”, none of this bodes well for our country,

Hillary supporters resisted Obama’s nomination for all of these reasons, including the most important: our country is sitting on the edge of a precipice. We need a President who, we are confident, will lead with clear-sighted, knowledgeable, seasoned, astute, wisdom in the years ahead and successfully navigate an astounding array of mind-boggling problems. Obama has many strengths but he’s also showing he’s not yet ready for prime time.

This is our country, people, not Obama’s or his handler’s, or the DNC’s or the media’s. Remember how it’s supposed to work? WE choose the President. That process has been broken and usurped, yet again, this time by the media and the DNC! Hillary should be President and Obama and his handlers should NOT be allowed to prevent that, IF that's what people want to happen at the convention. At the very least, Hillary should be made VP. If she isn’t, then all the fear-mongering about ‘what will happen to our country if McCain becomes President’ is foolish. Because what we fear most has already happened: we, the people, have lost control of our country, our electoral system and our civil rights, and we can probably kiss our democracy and the rest of our rights goodbye, one by one, as time goes on. The press has joined hands with the establishment and no longer considers reporting objectively on the news and exposing corruption a viable occupation. Protests worked in the 60’s. People lost their lives, were beaten up, thrown in jail, etc., but eventually, it did make a difference.

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Savannah — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:00:19 GMT

I totally agree with Carol L. As a Hillary supporter, I was appalled at the biased reporting during the primary and the way that the Obama campaign with the DNC highjacked the primary system.

I think that the delegates would be wise to consider what it really is going to take to win in November and if they do, "buyer's remorse" or whatever you want to call it, will make it a fair convention and perhaps Hillary will be the nominee.

As disappointed as I am in the Democratic Party it is still certainly difficult for me to consider voting for McCain. Hard as I try to believe that Obama should be President, watching video clips of him campaigning like the one on your main page tonight where all he did was orate over McCain not knowing how many houses he owns -- who cares? What I want to hear is how Obama is going to fix the economy and get this country on the right track and I don't.

How disappointing this entire election is to me and how very sad I am for this country!

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dbaragona — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:08:45 GMT

Well, it didn't take long..As long as Obama had a 7-8% lead, the anti-Hillary people were nowhere to be found..In fact, even some nice things were being said about Hillary...But all of a sudden McCain cuts his lead in half (even winning in some polls) and here come the anti-Clinton attack dogs..It's Hillary's fault...McCain's using her campaign strategy...Obama's not going to pick Hillary, but he should...Who else can get him more votes and states than Hillary??...Lets win the White House first, worry about personalities...McCain started to close the gap while Obama was on vacation...Was that Hillary's fault??...I'm a Hillary supporter that will be voting for Obama in November...

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:08:49 GMT

HELLO ! HILLARY CLINTONS LOYALISTS.

THE ONLY WAY FOR HILLARY TO CRUSH SOMEONE IS TO SIT ON THEM.

THE PREVIOUS POSTS PROVE THAT DIKES LIKE HILLARY THE WITCH.

EVIL HILLARY HAS A MAGNET THAT ATTRACTS WEIRDOS.

RIGHT ! BUBBA ?

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:20:23 GMT

UNWANTED IN THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY : HILLARY SUPPORTERS.

SMELL UP THE REPUGNANT REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN ---- VOTE FOR JOHN MC CAIN.

HILLARY IS A LYING WITCH.

TIME FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO GET SOME FRESH AIR.

HILLARY SUPPORTERS LIE TOO MUCH, DENY TOO MUCH AND SMELL TOO MUCH.

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IndyCalifornia — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:21:56 GMT

What surprises me the most is the willingness of the Democratic party to self-implode. It sounds so sophomoric. I mean, really? Obamaniacs will not vote for Clinton and Clinton backers will not vote for Obama. It sounds like a high school election instead of Presidential. Are we really that stupid to divide ourselves and give the election to McCain. I guess it is all about pesonal politics these days. Only, we're all fu**ked if the Republicans can run the country into the ground for another four years. Grow up, people!

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cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:51:18 GMT

Tired and old: Please do remember what you told all Hillary supporters the day after the election in November when Obama loses. Obama can not win without the Clinton supporters.

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Flash Drive — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:26:32 GMT

If the McCain camp plays it cards right they can win this election by a landslide.

There is so much 'bad-blood' between Hillary and Obama supporters in the Democratic Party.

Since winning the nomination, the Obama camp have treated Hillary supporters with contempt and Obama has done nothing to diffuse this ill-feeling.As far as he is concern he does need Hillary or her supporters to win in November.

Secondly there are a lot of Independents and undecided votes who are having a lesser favourable opinion of Obama than the had earlier in the campaign.

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Carol L. — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:05:20 GMT

Hillary Rocks 08,

Thank you, sir, for your honesty and for telling it as you see it.

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deleonwl — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:39:58 GMT

I AM DEMOCRAT BUT NO HILLARY I WILL GO WITH MCCAIN I DO NOT TRUST MR. OBAMA WEND YOU SEE HES EYES HE IS NOT HONNES PERSON HE DON,T LIKE POOR PEOPLE LATINOS PEOPLE DON,T SELL YOU SELF FOR TAX CUT

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deleonwl — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:48:10 GMT

HILLARY 2012 FOR PRESIDENT ORALE SENORA PRESIDENTA

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bgordon — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:04:53 GMT

Interesting article expressing Hillary lead over Obama if she was the nominee; unfortunately, she is not the nominee. While Senator Clinton has 18M disgrunted supporters, let's remember that Senator Obama had 18M supporters coming out of the primaries as well. While Senator Obama's supporters are not disgruntle, did you ever consider that some of us may not be supporting her doing the general election. Anyway you slice this election, the only way Democrats can win is for us to unify and come together. If the role was reversed, I think we would be having this same conversation; however if Democrats unify, there is no doubt it will be a victory.

If we want to continue the Busch Administration, a declining economy, go to war every time other countries disagree, spend billions of dollars rebuilding other countries, then vote for McCain. Just remember, come 2009, we will all suffer. McCain seems to think we are a nation of whinners, which I can see why, since he owns 7 homes and a private jet. Trust me Democrats, McCain is not your man, but if you refuse to come together to unify the party, we will continue on the same path we have been on since 2000.

Obama 08

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the_shelton — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:41:01 GMT

This has to be the most idiotic thing I have ever read. Why don't we run something like, if they had ran Huckabee, would they be eating beans and franks now? Is this the best the press can do? What a bunch of sad, ridiculous waste of print space. Once something is past, it is about as useful to go back over and over something as pis***ing into the wind off the side of a ship and wondering why you are getting wet. Hillary didn't win, we did get into the Iraq war, we did elect the moron to a first and a second term and now we are standing around wasting good time on trying to figure out if we are where we should or could be. What possible difference does it make?

Listen, you bunch of dingbats, Obama is the best choice. Hillary was so engrossed with herself she forgot us. Bill had promised her and it didn't come to pass, so let's move on. McCain shouldn't even be there, he wasn't their best choice, but he is the lacky they sent out to lose, because their record is so bad, no republican is going to win.

So would you stop standing around flogging yourself and get on with winning this election. There is no possible way the Democrats should lose this thing. Holy crips, the Republicans have sold us down the drain with the worst inflation in 30 years, costs spiraling out of control, an unending war, uncounted dead in a war for a country that doesn't want us, energy costs out the roof, food costs out the roof. How much more do I need to bring up to remind you that we are in one hell of a mess. Standing around lamenting about what Hillary would do, isn't going to do any good and serves no other purpose than trying to make yourself feel a little less stupid.

We screwed it up, we allowed a moron to be president and now we see the results. Let's don't try another experiment with a man who is bordering on the oldest person in the country. I don't know about you but I would be very concerned about who they have for VP because more than likely, they will be serving out the term. I can remember when I used to watch Reagan sleep through most of the meetings he had. Thank God for Nancy, I think she was running the country for the last few years.

Please, Dems, get you head out of you butts and start working to make this the landslide it should be. Unless you are just really screwed up enough to want more of this, get your head into proper land and start driving again. Hillary isn't here, she lost. Now let's go salvage this country.

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isisdagmar@aol.com — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:00:35 GMT

Posted By: jhunter72 (August 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM)

“Clinton won over independents and moderates, those that could go either way, especially with a more moderate Republican nominee like McCain.”

With all due respect, jhunter72, that’s not true. Clinton may have done better with moderate Democrats, but overall, Independents vastly preferred Obama to her: "Independent voters favor Obama by a 2 to 1 margin over Hillary - 49% to 24% - according to a NBC/WSJ poll taken after the Jeremiah Wright scandal exploded in late March. His approval rating among Republicans is almost twice Hillary's as well - 19% to 10%. Crossover appeal is the key indicator of electability - especially for Democrats."

You said: “people would get aw struck and vote for him, with no knowledge of what he is about.”

It is a little rude to say that the people who voted for Obama did so for stupid reasons. I don't assume that Clinton voters voted for her for stupid reasons. I voted for Obama because of his positions and stances on issues and because I thought that his judgment was unusually excellent, among many other reasons. I don’t going around saying things like, “People only voted for Senator Clinton because they thought that if she were president, we’d go back to the Clinton years—they had no clue of what she herself was actually about.” I respect that you voted for her because you honestly felt that she was the better candidate. I honestly felt, and feel, that Obama was the better candidate, and I’d like the same respect.

You said: “This country just makes me so mad sometimes, why are we so bandwagon? It doesn’t get us anywhere, no wonder we are sinking. I shouldn't be surprised, the USA elected Bush twice.”

This country makes me mad too. Specifically, the electorate does. I voted for Obama. I did so because I felt that he would most likely make a better president than would Senator Clinton, that he was our best hope both to beat the Republicans and to govern well. Believe me, I truly do understand that you are disappointed and frustrated that Clinton lost—had Obama lost, I would have felt the same way. However, I would have voted for Clinton in a heartbeat, without question, has she won the nomination. Their positions are similar, and it is those positions that I want in the White House more than a specific person. No, it doesn’t get us anywhere to do what some voters are doing now—refusing to vote for the Democratic nominee because their preferred Democratic didn’t win. And you know what? If this situation were reversed, and Obama has lost to Clinton, I would be equally furious if some of his supporters were similarly refusing to support the Democratic nominee. I am no member of a cult of personality—I have my personal preferences, but Obama and Clinton have far more in common with each other—light years more—than either does with McCain. Obama and Clinton agree on the vast majority of issues, and they disagree with McCain on the vast majority of issues. How some people can’t see that, I’ll never know.

Yes, this country was stupid enough to elect Bush twice. I sincerely hope that we are not stupid enough now to elect McCain, once again tricked into believing that bellicosity equals security (for goodness’ sake, the man still believes that not only was the Iraq War a great idea, but that the Vietnam War was a great idea and we should have kept fighting there until we “won.”) or voting for a candidate with whom we largely don’t agree out of pettiness or frustration. I am cautiously optimistic that we will not make the same mistake again—that we will do the right thing—the smart thing—and elect Obama, a person of substance and judgment, as our president, and that Clinton—also a person of substance and often of judgment—will continue her very successful career as VP, or as a member of the Cabinet, or as a Supreme Court Justice, or perhaps as a very important Senator and a possible Democratic nominee in 2016.

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SAGG — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:41:01 GMT

Woulda, shoulda, coulda. I would have voted for Hillary (she's a DEM for crying out loud), but she's not here. Obama is. I have to stick with who I have NOW. PUMAs, once again, I must respectfully remind you: I know this election's more than just about being pro-choice, but this IS right up there, the same for looking out for your economical issues, and who do you think will do that more for you? McCain? (Massive eye-roll) Please. Independents, you've experienced the last eight years, and Mccain's offering more of the same Bush policies, both domestically and internationally. Who do you think will address your needs more? McCain? (Massive eye-roll) Again, please. For me, the choice is clear: Obama. He's new and fresh. Mccain's stale and old (both lierally and figuratively). Besides, you can always vote Obama out if he doesn't do the job, and believe me, he'll have his work cut out for him with the mess Bush has left us.

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SAGG — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:43:45 GMT

isisdagmar, you hit it right on the head for me. Excellent analysis. Thanks.

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maturu@msn.com — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:48:35 GMT

McCain hates Obama,

Obama is real, Mcain was brought up in the South. His grandfather owned african american free workers. Hence his refusal to recognise Martin L:uther King. He voted time and again against Martin Luther King Day. He hates Obama because Obama is not Irish.

Republicans if they thought he had anything to offer all these days since he was

released from prison, why did they not give him only one term to be president. Why did they

vote for P.G. Bush if they ever thought McCain had a grain of anythign to offer to America. He has nothing to offer, except hypothetical We are going to be in Iraq for l00 years, I cannot allowe America to loose iraq War. Good riddance, our children continue to die for l00 years. If you cannot even remember the houses you sleep in, how can you know how to improve economy of a great nation like America. No wonder you graduated last in class.

Let people you for what you are.

Mary Ann Simon,

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mobaxter — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:10:11 GMT

OBAMA is the Dem. Choice and NOT Clinton,who speak with fork tongue. So let OBAMA choose his VP.

McCain is The RNC or people choice. So Let McCain choose his VP.

Let GET READY TO RUMBLE or Vote....

So stop your belly aching and Vote. For the Best Pres. To Lead the USA...

Sorry Clinton you did not and would never get my vote. So go back to your sex hungry husband. Also let stop comparing other to Bush. It make you sound like another Bush. We are all human being.

OBAMA, I do not know what happening to you have you lost your way???

Or is McCain the ANSWER???

How about McCain Pres and Clinton Vice Pres?HAHAHA It could happen.NO WAY

Remember VOTE. May God Bless your choice and decision.....

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lrcowan312 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:18:19 GMT

Of course Hillary is running ahead of Obama against McCain...she is NOT the candidate and therefore has not be subjected to the 527's. were she the candidate all the negatives would bury her and especially Bill! Used common sense! Linda R. Cowan, Los angeles

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mobaxter — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:20:37 GMT

No , Hillary Clinton would have to talk with a fork tongue and Bill would want to be vice pres.

So she could be Pres.

McCain would still be come Pres. Because Bill would need to go to bed if you know what I mean and Hillary would have to duck a bullet like she said happen before. Also McCain has good French Fries too.

But the real facts are Obama Beat Clinton.

SO IT OBAMA VS McCAIN AND OTHERS.

SO VOTE IN NOV.

May God Bless your Vote and Decision.

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mobaxter — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:30:48 GMT

IF YOU WANT HILLARY CLINTON VOTE FOR HER AS A WRITE IN TO PRESIDENT.

I WILL NOT WASTE MY VOTE OR TIME FOR HILLARY.

VOTE FOR McCAIN OR OBAMA OR Some one else who RUNNING FOR PRES>

Also Clinton and supporter do not make a fool of yourself at the convention.

Prediction= God has The Answer at this time. But remember to vote and we will all have the answer on election day.

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realchange — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:58:19 GMT

clinton or obama, does it really matter? regardless of who the nomination went to and regardless who obama picks as veep, the dems fail to stand their ground and oppose the republicans on anything. this is why nader will eventually win the presidency and it's been a long time coming.

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Obama Drama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:05:43 GMT

Well I would say "I TOLD YOU SO" It was clear at the end of the primary that people had it with Obama's "speaches and say anything" and were giving all thier support to HIllary. It was clear what the credential board was about when it gave the election to Obama. It was clear when the Superdels starting jumping to Obama what they thought would win them thier next hometown election.

Deal with it now. Don't count on Obama pickin Hillary either - He is to arogant for that. Yet we are all suppost to believe that he has the all mighty wisdom to be right all the time?

McCain will win. The Rep picked the perfect guy to hammer Obama without even knowing it?

I will vote McCain - I was for Hillary

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flamingo123 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:08:25 GMT

Obama run his campaign a Hollywood style game. Why keep people in suspense who his V.P. going to be. His popularity has reached its plateau and time to go downhill. This prove that he has nothing to offer but his glamour and speech delivery. He has no presidential qualities but his over-inflated ego.

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cryals — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:24:34 GMT

It is apparent that Hillary's prolonged primary campaigning did more damage to the Democratic Party by the divisiveness she created when she kept trying to champion particular groups. At the beginning of the primaries, I was excited and hopeful for a "Dream Ticket" with Hillary and O'Bama, but with the disention that was later illustrated, I decided that with that type of animosity, it would be hard for them to formulate the "Dream Ticket." This was especially determined when it seemed that Hillary was spending more time dividing the party than unifying it. If Hillary is such a good leader, then she would have fostered unity within the party rather than divisiveness. I am thouroughly disillusioned about Hillary after seeing her create such a mess within the Democratic Party. However, being a Democrat, I would have voted for her rather than going for the same old stuff by the Repubican Party which has created a complete mess for our nation. Therefore, I cannot understand those desidents that insist that since Hillary did not win the primaries, they are going to vote for McCain, a man who seems to be increasingly forgetful and not very truthful. I respect his heroism for our country, but I do think that the ideas that he espouses should be assessed for what they are. Do they not realize that if the Democrats do not win this election that Hillary will not be able to win in 2012? She will not win because many young people will consider her the cause for the 2008 loss. These young people will be older, and some of the older people will be gone. History may be unkind, as histories can be. However, Hillary or no Hillary, I am voting Democrat!

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just jerry — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:15 GMT

I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the hate Hillary comments in this discussion come from Obama supporters not McCain supporters and then they wonder why we former Hillary supporters have trouble warming to Obama.

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:45:40 GMT

It continues to amaze just how much the media hates Hillary. The other night, David Schuster was beside himself on Hardball because Hillary was going to speak at the convention and then, GET TO HAVE A ROLLCALL!!!. HOW DARE SHE!!!! Andrew just can't imagine that Hillary would be kicking McCain's ass. Does anyone imagine that if the rolls were reversed, that Hillary would do the best thing and pick Obama as her VP? She has the experience to recongnize that while Obama might not be her cup of tea, his choice would sew up the election. Obama is too arrogant to do this and will probably loose the election as I hold my nose and vote for him while my wife stays home and says, "when hell freezes over".

The media and MoveOn have put the Democratic party in this position. Our nominee is woefully inexperienced and when taken away from a teleprompter becomes a somewhat smarter George Bush. As we say in Kentucky, he apparently thinks his s___ doesn't stink and doesn't need her to get elected. Well I love Joe Biden but I can't see that ticket going far and this is Obama's problem.....if I, a life long Dem can't see it, how is a undecided voter going to see it.

The reason the polls are tightening and you must be an absolute moron not to know that there is a Bradley effect and he NEEDS a 5 point lead to actually be even, is that Republicans who might have stayed home are realizing that they could win this and Dem's are watching evens like this past weekend with Rev. Warren and thinking, "this is change?"

BTW.....cryals letter just showed that the hand wringing has already started and the "blame it on Hillary" campaign is in full swing. Hillary didn't go to Hawaii on vacation, Hillary didn't drop the ball with Rick Warren, Hillary hasn't swung 180 degrees on most of her positions.

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kakao1 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:50:07 GMT

just took the Obama sticker off my truck last night... writing in Hillary, this is a true conscience vote, not an angry vote.

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kakao1 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:52:06 GMT

Hey, jeff, i am also a UK gradutate and from Danville--live in Columbus OHIO now--this swing state will go to Mc Cain--you are right about the media--especially CNN.

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therealmarie — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:00:54 GMT

Catch a clue. The RNC would have loved HilBil to have won the nomination. Then, they would have beat her like a drum and her husband like a rented mule. The MSM loves this Clinton story for many reasons, not withstanding their own political agenda. Bill Clinton is has a land mine of potential scandal. No, not his lady loves, but real conscequential scandal. Your Gal Hill, let's take a TSA look at that cargo and carry on luggage she's carrying. Enough of the Clinton's already. If you don't want to vote for Obama. Don't, but stop with these non issue reasonings.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:03:00 GMT

This notion that Hillary would be crushing McCain right now is not based on REALITY. The Republicans would have rolled out the hours of scandalous video they have on Bill by now. Get a grip Hillary supporters. You may have your turn in 2012, but right now let's vote the smart guy into the White house for a change. OBAMA 08

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jhunter72 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:06:41 GMT

Posted By: the_shelton (August 22, 2008 at 2:41 AM) :

"Listen, you bunch of dingbats, Obama is the best choice. Hillary was so engrossed with herself she forgot us. Bill had promised her and it didn't come to pass, so let's move on."

-Yeah, you aren't making it any easier to "move on" by calling Hillary supporters "dingbats". It's that kind of rhetoric (that's been going on since February) that makes us Hillary supports so darn mad. Look, I'll probably vote for Obama, I know the importance of the Supreme Court and I am pro-choice, I share the Democrats platform, etc. But all along I've been reading and hearing Obama supporters (and no I'm not saying all of them, but ALOT of them) telling me as a Hillary supporter to "sit down and shut up". My vote is MY VOTE, don't blow me off and tell me to shut up, how would you like it if the tables were turned?

-Ease up on the emotional outbursts and you just may get our vote.

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mk2008 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:06 GMT

a clinton Veep pick would be disastrous for the Dems. It would be the most leftest leaning ticket in history and would turn off the undecideds and independants.

face it, mccain is way more centrist than bush, which is precisely why he was picked. He not even close to the next bush....everyone knows this.

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:32 GMT

Hey Marie/indy, what scandals? The Republicans took their shots for 8+ years and are still pissed to the max that they couldn't lay a hand on either of them. Bill would be 25 points up on McCain today if he could run. You're just like Republicans who support Bush, Too stupid or arrogant to admit that you were wrong. Well more actual Dems chose Hillary and you wack jobs that have chosen Obama can ride off the cliff with him on your way to changeville but those of us who actually been Dem's for longer than 6 months look at the big picture and don't see what you see. Guess you and Obama are just smarter than the actual majority of the party.

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melon — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:27:51 GMT

yes,hillary would be the best of them all.obama has no experience.i am a reg., dem.,over 45 years and ,my family is going to cross party lines and vote for mc can.if this is the best the dems.,have then they have a problem.

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cryals — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:29:10 GMT

In response to UKIS1Jeff- Please realize that there is no hand wringing going on about what could or might happen. After all, the uncertainties of elections are always a time for people to begin guessing, assuming, and interjecting their opinions. Although, as we can see from the response of some people, it can be somewhat dangerous. I do not like to see conflict within the party, and I do feel that there has been. That does not mean that this conflict cannot be overcome, and I think it will. My message was not to say that I do not like Hillary, but to illustrate what leadership and commitment is about. However, it is mindboggling to see people spew such crap about the primaries. I followed the primaries, and found them to be quite eye-opening. More people should have followed the primaries with an open mind, and not let it be shaded by their secret bias, etc. Of course, it is known that people tend to hang with those who think like them, so no matter what, their interpretation of events could and would yet be skewed to their perception. So if you decided that you did not like O'Bama from the start, then you will spend more time finding reasons to support that opinion. Take a challenge, start looking for reasons to counteract that stance. Hillary has a lot of fine qualities, but she just did not win the primaries. She underestimated her opposition, and she did not roll out her campaign effectively. However, she did start making progress during the last part of her campaign. Nevertheless, we cannot blame the other canidate for her short comings, nor can we blame her for his.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:36:03 GMT

UKisJeff-aka low info voter-

Bill couldn't keep it in his pants on the stinkin campain trail, he wouldn't release the names of foriegn donors to his presidential library, and his overseas associations were dubious at best.

The majority of Dems chose Obama. This would explain why he is the current presidential candidate. The only way Obama loses is if Hillary supporters like you stay home or vote against their own party for McCain. The party needs you to remain loyal.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:36:31 GMT

UKisJeff-aka low info voter-

Bill couldn't keep it in his pants on the stinkin campain trail, he wouldn't release the names of foriegn donors to his presidential library, and his overseas associations were dubious at best.

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flamingo123 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:39:27 GMT

Obama said that he has chosen a V.P. that would challenge his decision when president. get real, he thinks that he is the almighty one, anyone or anybody dare challenge/criticize him would be branded as racist.

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:48:57 GMT

HEY ! COBALT.

LOT OF CRAP FLYING AROUND, PEOPLE PRETENDING TO BE WHAT THEY ARE NOT.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T TRUST ANYONE THAT SAID THEY ARE HILLARY SUPPORTERS; PERHAPS I AM WRONG, PERHAPS THERE ARE A GREAT MANY STUPID PEOPLE FOR POND SCUM.

THE REPUGNANT REPUBLICANS HAVE VERY LITTLE CHANCE TO WIN IN NOVEMBER, THEY WANT THE FIRES TO BURN IN DEMOCRATIC CAMP; AS FOR ME , I HATE THE FAT ASS WICKED WITCH AND ALL THAT THE CLINTON CAMP STAND FOR:

1. SELF SERVING INDIVIDUALS

2. DISHONESTY AND THE DIRTY TRICKS TO GET ELECTED

3. LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES

HOW DO YOU SPOT POND SCUM ?

FOUL ODOR EMITTED FROM ORAL CAVITY, ACCOMPANIED BY EMBELLISHED LIES ABOUT ONESELF, EMITTED TO TRY TO GET STUPID PEOPLE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING.

SIMILIAR TO A VIRUS INVASION OF THE HUMAN BODY AND MIND.

PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE POND SCUM AND DENY CLINTON WRONG DOING ARE VIRUS INFECTEES.

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Futurama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:51:15 GMT

Too longwinded article...PLEASE get to the point without so many fillers

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:56:29 GMT

In November the Democrats will realize their biggest mistake was picking Obama over Clinton. A year when Democrats "were supposed to win." History will tell you this happens time and again. I hope it was worth it.

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:59:09 GMT

FUTURAMA !

DO YOU HAVE A POINT ?

JUST THE FACTS ONLY ?

BORING !

CLINTON SUPPORTER OR MC CAIN ?

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zimgirl — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:59:24 GMT

excuse me?? The same country that unleashed an airhead like George W Bush onto the world for TWO terms suddenly thinks Obama is too inexperienced? Don't make me laugh....!

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:03:27 GMT

Playing with the uniformed...or as HBO'S Generation Kill's Marines call them..Whiskey Tango is almost too much fun to have to work while doing this....wish I could devote all my time but then I really don't need it to talk to you.

Indy.....the majority of Dems voted for Hillary. Check any valid source. Yes, Obama won the nomination but not with a majority of Dems. His total included many people who were not registered as Dem's. YES....before you say it, that is good but the point is that you Obama supporters just seem to think she and RIchardson are on the same level and that just isn't true. As for Bill. Greatest President in our lifetime but caught.......DEAL WITH IT. His administration was a church choir compared to Bush's so don't even try.....just makes you look and sound stupider than you probably are.

cryals.....you said you followed the "primaries" with great interest. If you did you saw Hillary win almost every primary. You must mean you followed the Caucuses with great interest. You know the crazy things where the far out of the party show up for 3 hours to show their support. Most normal voters who actually work and have a life vote on the way to work or to home or at lunch in a primary. Obama to his credit took advantage of the far out goof balls who apparently have no life to show up for 3+ hours in a caucus and I give him credit for that but that's why sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many Dems are starting to wonder why did we do this? He's been nominated by less than a majority of Dems and racked up his delegate lead in caucus states. Well unfortunately, the general election isn't a caucus.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:03:35 GMT

Think whatever you will, but look in the news, look in the papers, Obama has turned from an "infatuation" into an "annoyance." By those who still have their right mind. And luckily, this realization by the majority has come in just enough time to vote. The Britney Spears and Paris Hilton of politics (Obama) will never win! hahahaha

Obamas supporters need to put the pipe down for a moment so you can have a clear head!

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:05:33 GMT

RDUMBINGUEZ !

IN NOVEMBER THE DEMOCRATS WILL WIN ; DESPITE, CLINTON TACTICS.

HISTORY WILL TELL US MANY THINGS LIKE : HOPE AND CHANGE WIN OR LOSE.

AT LEAST HISTORY WON'T REPEAT ITSELF WITH CLINTON POND SCUM IN THE WHITE HOUSE; UNLESS, OBAMA BETRAYS HIS SUPPORTERS.

JOHN MC CAIN CAN ASK JOE LIEBERMAN " HOW MANY HOMES DO I HAVE MY JEWISH FRIEND ? "

IN ANY CASE WE DN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ILLEGALS TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS WORTH IT.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:09:47 GMT

HAHAHA, Tired and Old, what a perfect name for you, you truly are TIRED and OLD. Can you even make it to the polls? You should get one of those skooters so you can go and vote for your precious Obama. Say what you will, rant all you want and be hateful to those who don't support Obama, but you're ridiculous. You're posts are ridiculous and you seem to me to be INSANE. So keep it up, so people can see an Obama supporter for what they really are. Angry, unreasonable, and irrational!

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:15:33 GMT

HEY ! UK.

IN CASE YOU MISSED THE BOAT; OBAMA WON WITH A VARIETY OF SUPPORT.

I WAS A REPUBLICAN PRIOR TO THIS CONTEST.

ALL THOSE WHO WANT CHANGE AND HOPE FOR A BETTER FUTURE CAN VOTE FOR OBAMA; THOSE THAT LIKE THE LAST 8 YEARS CAN VOTE MC CAIN.

AND ALL THOSE POND SCUM THAT SUPPORT DIRTY POLITICS AND SCANDALS CAN SIT ON THE SIDE LINES AND DREAM OF A CLINTON COME BACK.

WICKED WITCH AND ADULTEROUS BILL WILL CONTINUE TO USE OUR LIMITED SUPPLY OF AIR ---------------- TILL DEATH DO THEY PART.

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carol12 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:15:58 GMT

I think this article states why Hillary might have been doing just the same or less if she were the nominee. It also points out that Obama wasnt the reason she lost the nomination. I think these people should outgrow the high school Student Council election and grow up. She and her campaign didnt have the foresight to go beyond Feb 5 and she and they were very disorganized within the campaign itself about their game plan. They lost it on their own, stop looking for scape goats! When she got herself righted, it was too late to win it. If she would have won the nomination, she would have had several problems, 1) the African-American voters who would have thought it was stolen, 2) the Repulbican party would be more energized that it is, (because they hate the Clintons), 3) young voters who want change and Hillary is old school, 4) the Independents who seemed to support Obama in the primaries and not Hillary, 5) those of us who just DONT like Hillary to put it mildly (how do I know? I would have NEVER voted for Hillary, any other woman, yes). She may have gotten the nomination, but she wouldnt have gotten elected. The percentage would have been less for her than McCain.

DO these PUMA, etc people realize what McCain can do in four years let along eight years with the Supreme Court justices, aggressive military stance, economy? Is is really enough to cut off your noses to spite your face? If Obama loses and Hillary runs again in 4 years or 8 years, do you really think people wont remember how she and her groups lost this election? I sure will!!!!

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zimgirl — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:20:46 GMT

excuse me? the same country that unleashed GEORGE W BUSH on the world for TWO terms, is saying Obama is unelectable because he is inexperienced?? don't make me laugh!

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:21:14 GMT

HEY ! RDUMBINGUEZ.

I WILL BE THERE AT THE VOTING BOOTH.

IF THE WICKED WITCH FAILS TO GET THE OBAMA VEEP POSITION I WILL NOT BE ANGRY, VERY REASONABLE AND VERY RATIONAL ------- MOST OF ALL VERY H A P P Y !

HEY ! RDUMB.

RATHER ! BE INSANE, THAN A UNEDUCATED WICKED WITCH SUPPORTER.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:24:07 GMT

Everyone examine tired and old's comments. This is one of Obama's supporters. Look how well he represents the Obama campaign....

hahahaha hahahaha

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:26:30 GMT

ZIMGIRL !

YOU ARE CORRECT.

CAROL12 !

YOU ARE CORRECT.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:26:49 GMT

Just keep writing Tired and Old, you're doing all the work for me! hahaha You're so ridiculous it's funny.

I understand you're trying to make a case for Obama, but hasn't anyone ever told you, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar?

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:29:04 GMT

HEY ! RDUMB.

HA ! HA ! HA !

FOR AN ILLEGAL DUMB PERSON THAT LIKES FAT ASS WITCHES, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.

THANK YOU !

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cryals — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:29:10 GMT

UKIS1Jeff - So sorry that you only see the skewed! It seems as though you are wanting to call the states that held caucases stupid! Oh well! Primaries or Caucases ... O'Bama yet came out ahead. If Hillary had played the game slightly differently, then she could have come out ahead. If you remember what Hillary said about primaries in the beginning of the close race, then you would realize that she tried to change the count in numerous ways. It just galls a lot of people that she kept saying that she had the most votes when in fact she was not counting caucases, and was adding Florida. Oh well! Some people just don't want to acknowledge the rules when it is not to their advantage.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:34:24 GMT

So Tired and Old, let me get this straight, you're making assumptions about my name? but you make no assumptions about someone named Barack Hussein Obama and yet you support him and ask that people make no assumptions about his name?

How does that work?

hahahaha (you're so funny, you're sitting there getting all mad aren't you? I LOVE it)

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:05 GMT

EY ! RDUMB.

CLINTONS ARE POND SCUM THAT ATTRACT FLIES.

BETTER TO USE VINEGAR, KEEP THEM AT A DISTANCE.

I AM NOT MAKING A CASE FOR OBAMA, THE MAN SPEAKS FOR HIMSELF.

WITCH HILLARY SPEAKS LIES AND USES DECEPTION TO WIN OVER SUPPORTERS.

JOHN MC CAIN USES JEWISH JOE TO REMEMBER ACTUAL VOTING RECORD AND HOW MANY HOMES HE ACTUALLY OWNS.

OBVIOUSLY; RDUMB, YOU LIKE THE CONVERSATION --- YOUR STILL HERE.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:41:27 GMT

Ukjeff-

No need to name call. Your logic is faulty and your grasp on the facts are tenuous at best. The dirt I ran down on Clinton was after his administration. This is what the Republicans would seize upon and exploit. The notion that the caucus' were attended by left-wing nuts is false. I met teachers, truck drivers, red necks and professors at my local Texas caucus'. Most were first timers. Lastly- Hillary can thank Rush Limbaugh and his listeners for helping her out in many of the primaries. BTW stupider is not a word.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:41:42 GMT

I think you're funny that's why. You know what they say, you can never win an argument with an ignorant person. This is truly one I can't win in that case.

RDUMB, did you come up with that one all by yourself? hahaha

LIke I said keep typing your message of hate, on Obama's website it says "Welcome Clinton Supporters" it looks like you didn't get that memo.

If Obama wonders why her supporters are flocking to McCain (and I do mean FLOCKING) they should sign on this post and see what you are saying. For someone like Obama with such a "peaceful" message, you sure do spread a lot of HATE.

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:42:52 GMT

HEY ! BLOGGERS.

READ CAREFULLY THE WRITINGS AND REMEMBER THIS:

TWO HORSES IN THE RACE, AN UNEDUCATED MAN MAKES A BET ON A THIRD HORSE THAT FAILED TO MAKE IT OUT OF THE GATE.

WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE UNEDUCATED MAN ?

IS HE RDUMB ?

IS HE A HILLARY SUPPORTER ?

IS HE WET BEHIND THE EARS AND ON HIS BACK ?

YUP !

I LOVE IT AND I AM NOT MAD ( JUST TIRED AND OLD AND PERHAPS INSANE ).

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Pukeobama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:45:48 GMT

Iam A dem. have been for over 40 years never voted for any other party but this will be my first year not because of Clinton not winning but because of the young people that has fell in love with Obama and see on wrong in him there for has cussed , called people bad names and called the clintons ever thing but white people no let me say if it hadn't been for Bill Clinton this country would be in a depression because of the shape it was in when he too office and when he left the country was in the green and no billions in red and we all was living good with jobs and money so grow up and stop bashing the clintons and as for as Bills afair that was his bussiness it didn't hurt this country or the people in it other than the ones that was pissed it wasn't them that got the blow job.

Now as for as Obama he can't change any thing the same with McCain unless the congress and senate wan't it and if Obama gets elected watch in one of the two the reps will out number the Dem. or they will out number in both and there you go nothing will change so then what you Obama lovers going too say then who will you have too cuss call names and acuse for his doing nothing he said he was

last let me say all you Obama lovers are really hurting Obama with your animal ways if i had a child that acts or Chats like you do with on respect for anyone I would be behide the wood shed with you

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:48:34 GMT

Tired and Old, your words speak for themselves. You've made a racist assumption on my name calling me an illegal, yet you support a black man with a name that could be misconstrued as muslim. You call a very successful female political figure a "witch" which could be taken as a sexist comment. And you're admittedly insane.

Yeah, you really make me want to vote for Obama.... HAHAHA

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hbishman — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:49:51 GMT

I saw a Clitnon on Hardball last night. They will not vote for Obama and will not be sad if he losses.

get over it losers.

Pond scums all of you.

Want to destroy the party? Keep the clintons in your bedroom.

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:50:17 GMT

HEY ! RDUMB.

GETTING A LITTLE MAD WETBACK ?

NEVER BEEN TO OBAMA WEB SITE.

HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT IS WORTH HIS SALT.

DON'T BE ANGRY THAT I MADE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT YOU; YOU MADE ASSUMPTIONS TOO ------- RIGHT.

OBAMA IS A MAN MY RDUMB FRIEND.

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:50:38 GMT

cryals.....not calling the states stupid, just he "few" who showed up representing an entire state stupid. Yes, his campaign was brillant and I give them full support for taking advantage of the rules. Ironically.....for those of you new to this process.....Howard Ickies was heavily involved is setting up these stupid rules and then they came back to bite Hillary in the ass.

The point I'm trying to get across to you and morons like tired and old and apparently brain dead are that W. ran a brillant campaign and that doesn't make a good President. Obama is arrogant....how can anyone dispute that based on watching a first term Senator fun for President. This isn't a guy who served in the House for years and then won a Senate seat.....this is a guy that's so arrogant that he thought that he, a freshman Senator who made a speech against the war while in the state house was Presidental material.

Change?????????? Being from Kentucky, I wanted Hillary soooooooo bad to turn to him in a debate and say......so Barack, have you met Mitch McConnell, so he's going to suddenly agree with everything you say the day after the election.

Change???? Please. EVERYONE writing on this wants change but just making nice speeches won't do it and as he's been proving since he won the nomination, he has no real ideas for change......NOTHING.

I'll vote for him because I can't imagine voting for a Republican for President but my wife never will and she and thousands like her from state to state will be why McCain gets elected........you know, kinda like the thousands that represented the millions in the states with caucuses.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:55:37 GMT

WOW! Tired and Old you never fail to disappoint do you! hahaha, Who would have known you would result to racial slurs.... Well with that, I must go, you've proved all of my points and anyone reading your remarks will agree.... You have a great day, it's nice to know that racists aren't limited to just the McCain team as Obama's supporters would have you believe, rasicm is spread far and white, White or Black, Republican or Democrat. So don't assume people who don't support Obama are racists, Obama has some of his own.... (See below Tired and Old's comments)

Bye for now! :)

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timrogers — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:59:53 GMT

Clinton die hards still think Obama stole the nomination. They are not Democrats as much as they are Hillarycrats. They withold support for Obama so that McCain can win. Somehow that benefits Hillary because of the 'I told you so" factor. They believe that in four years Hillary will be more appealing than ever. To them, that will be true. To the majority of Democrats it will not. If Obama loses Hillary will not become the front runner again. Too many of us anti-Clinton die hards will remember how she helped McCain by undermining Obama. We will look for another Obama type candidate. We won't give Hillary a second chance. She squandered every advantage in her losing campaign. Too many voters just don't like her, her husband, or the Clinton brand of sneaky politics. It reminds us of the Republican ways and means.

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:00:53 GMT

HEY ! RDUMB.

I AM GLAD YOU ARE WANTING TO VOTE OBAMA.

DON'T TAKE FUN SO SERIOUS.

I SUPPORT A BLACK MALE THAT IS A CHRISTIAN.

I DON'T SPEAK FOR OBAMA AND HE DOES NOT CONTROL MY MOUTH.

AS FAR AS THE EVIL WITCH IS CONCERNED TAKE IT ANYWAY YOU PLEASE.

I LOVE MY WIFE AND LOVE MY GIRLS -- SEXISM ?

SAY WHAT YOU WILL, JUST COMMUNICATE AND EXPRESS YOURSELF ---- AND INJECT SOME FUN INTO IT.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:06:11 GMT

One more thing before I go.....

McCain 2008!!!!

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:06:45 GMT

I MUST GO FOR NOW.

IF YOU ARE A PUKING BLOGGER, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING END OF A BUBBA BL_W J_B.

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE WHITE HOUSE CONCERNS ALL AMERICANS.

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Pukeobama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:08:56 GMT

tired and old you sound like you don't have a life and need too get on a computer and bash people and play like you For Obama for something too do (do us all a favor and get a life off the computer) if all you can think of is bash people and spread nasty remarks thats hurting Obama Who on gods earth would want too unite with someone like you behind Obama

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:11:30 GMT

indy...in Kentucky we say don't start something you can't finish. Stupider is a word in Kentucky one we use to describe something like Texas which held a primary and a caucus the same day. I guess since you're soooooo normal that you couldn't vote in the primary....you know, the one Hillary won. You had to show up later that day and spend time out of your busy life along with the other rabid Obama supporters....yes, he won the caucus.

Let me put this in terms that hopefully all you Obama supporters can understand. WE DON"T LIKE THE GUY......WE DON'T SEE CHANGE, WE SEE ARROGANCE.....WE SAW HILLARY KILL HIM IN DEBATE AFTER DEBATE EXCEPT FOR ONE STUMBLE AND YOU, THE MEDIA AND MOVEON TOOK ADVANTAGE OF AN OBVIOUSLY FLAWED PROCESS TO GET HIM THE NOMINATION.

Back to Texas, in the primary where hundreds of thousands voted, she won. In the caucus where a much smaller number showed up, he won. She won every big state except Illinois.....why is it difficult for you people to understand that she didn't cheat to win California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Flordia, Michigan......don't count the last two but everyone of you knows she would have beat him straight up in those states.

He's loosing Florida by larger margins each week, he loosing Ohio, it's getting closer in Pennsylvania.......will Colorodo offset that. WAKE UP........he either names her VP of he's going down in flames and then you and Pond Scum guy can spend the next 4 years blaming her but the rest of us will see that his arrogance finally did him in.

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cryals — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:19:02 GMT

Carol12 - I totally agree with you

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cryals — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:22:47 GMT

UKIS1Jeff - You are stuck in D-u-m-b aren't you. Have a great day!

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OldUncleTom — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:28:14 GMT

By now, Hillary and Bill would be filing for bankruptcy, their campaign advisers would still be knifing each other, and we would still not be sure (except for health care) what she was going to do. Any person, male or female, black, white, or green, who runs a campaign as poorly as the Clinton camp has been this year, is clearly not capable of being "ready on Day One" for anything other than disaster.

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Pukeobama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:30:02 GMT

UKis1Jeff Thank you well said Iam like your wife never Obama not because his Black or any of the other things spreading about him IT because He IS NOT A LEADER HES A FOLLOWER he does every thing some one tells him and that worries me when hes in office by his self and phone lines are down and he has too deside something on his own not sure he can do the job

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:33:22 GMT

cryals....you crushed me!!! Don't go away mad just because someone is more knowledgeable than you.....I mean that must happen all the time to you doesn't it???? You're a typical Obama supporter......like the guy Chris Matthews had on Hardball from N or S Dakota, can't remember. I think he was govenor or something but an Obama supporter and Matthews asked him to name one Obama accomplishment while in the Senate......it was comical watching the poor guy because it hard to come up for an answer that doesn't exist.

The sad thing about this blog from one end to the other is that these two guys are the best that our system can find. It's almost stunning.

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befair — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:41:48 GMT

If Clinton were the nominee, we would now be involved in the most vile campaign of modern times. The Right has a huge arsonal to use against Hillary. They would have dragged out all the dirty laundry in Clinton's baggage that she talked about having been aired. She and her supporters have conveniently forgotton about the blue dress and Hillary's lies that she told the American people when she knew full well that her husband was a womanizer. She did what she always does for him and for herself. She blamed it all on the "vast right-wing conspiracy" The 18 million supporters that Hillary had are now just a fraction of that. There are some die-hard fans who will go to their graves believing her lies. The only reason Obama is not doing better is because Hillary and her supporters would rather take the party down and deprive the country of a good leader like Obama, before they would act like adults and admit that she lost because he was the better campaigner.

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:47:28 GMT

befair.....cut through your blather and tell us.....what about Obama makes him a "good leader"? Don't cite a speech, give us a specific example of something he has led! Btw.....his campaign doesn't count because others were primarily responsible for that.

Go..........................

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flamingo123 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:55:55 GMT

To befair. We are talking HILLARY CLINTON not BILL CLINTON. What her husband did, you cannot hold that against Hillary. Besides, the very reason why I am not voting for Obama is not because I am mad. It"s because of his poor judgements and flip-flopped decisions he made.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:01:25 GMT

Befair- you hit the nail on the head. Very clearly stated, thank you. UKJeff- stop with the caps lock and know this. Many independents cannot stand Hillary Clinton and would not vote for the ticket if she was a part of it. Hillary would also energize the sluggish Republican base to vote for McCain.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:07:53 GMT

Flamingo123- Are you a real Democrat? Who did you cast your vote for in 2000/2004? Just curious...

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cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:13:09 GMT

Tired and Old: your comment: PERHAPS THERE ARE A GREAT MANY STUPID PEOPLE FOR POND SCUM.

It seems like you are getting very upset!

Your other comment telling people who are Hillary supporters to not vote for Obama is not going to get a win in November for Obama!!

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UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:16:51 GMT

indy...again, don't start something you're not qualified to finish. The reason the polls are tightening and in some, McCains ahead has NOTHING to do with Hillary. Independents are looking at Obama and the luster is starting to fade as they realize there's nothing there. McCain has always been popular with indpendents and they are drifting his way but the most important reason is that many Republicans who might have stayed at home are starting to realize that this guy just might have a chance and any Republican is better than Obama.

You act as if he'd named her his VP and suddenly the polls were tightening. The polls are already tight and Hillary has nothing to do with it, this is all on Obama. Many long time Dems, unlike yourself who obviously just came to the process (how old are btw, I'm 51 and have voted for Dems since Jimmy) are noticing that Obama's coolness just isn't going to fly in the general like it did in your Caucus.

Even with her baggage, she would have a mostly unified Dem party which he isn't going to have because he hasn't tried. A Republican friend with an MBA asked me yesterday, why Hillary wasn't being named as his VP.....this was a partisan comment, this was a VERY smart guy who just can't figure out why Obama isn't doing what would make the most sense if he wants to get elected.

With the mess Bush and company have made....can you honestly say Obama shouldn't be ahead by at least 10% right now? Don't blame Hillary and don't ignore the reality that some Dem's are starting to realize unfortunately too late.

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flamingo123 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:23:17 GMT

To indyintx. I am definitely a Democrat but will not hesistae to vote a Republican if I feel he/she will be better. I do not blindly follow what the Democratic party throw at me. I will weigh the qualifications of a candidate before I will vote cast my vote. I voted for Al Gore in 2000 and did not vote in 2004( just cannot vote either candidate, Bush/Kerry).

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thomashwhite — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:39:51 GMT

Carol12 - did you really say what I think I just read?

"If Obama loses and Hillary runs again in 4 years or 8 years, do you really think people wont remember how she and her groups lost this election."

So, if Obama wins it's because he's the better candidate, but if he loses it's all Hillary's fault? What kind of self-serving drivel is that?

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tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:43:21 GMT

DEMOCRATIC NEWS UPDATE!!

OBAMA BEATS MC CAIN BY HUGE MARGIN.

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT A BLACK MALE AND A VEEP NAMED DONALD DUCK COULD EVER WIN THE PREIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES.

JOHN MC CAIN HAS ANNOUNCED HE WILL RETIRE AND WILL HIRE AN INVESTIGATOR TO CHECK INTO THE NUMBER OF HOMES HE ACTUALLY OWNS.

WITCH HILLARY HAS DECIDED TO WRITE A BOOK EMBELLISHING HER POLITICAL LIFE-------- NO SURPRISE THERE !

GEORGE BUSH HAS BECOME WORLD OIL ADVISOR AT A BIG 100 DIGIT PAY SCALE.

SCREWING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAS PAID OFF BIG TIME FOR GEORGIE BOY.

BILL " BUBBA " CLINTON HAS BEEN HIRED BY THE TERRORIST COUNTRIES TO PROMOTE THEIR IMAGE.

CHELSEA CLINTON DID MARRY A WHITE GUY FROM IOWA, LESBIAN EXPERIMENT MUST HAVE FAILED FOR NOW.

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Pukeobama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:47:04 GMT

Ok to all you Obama lovers that think hes a strong man wait untill tomorrow and after he tells who he is naming as VP then ask you self is he a man that can stand on his own and lead this country

I think not because you all going too get fooled its going too be the one that Nancy Pelosi wants him too pick watch and see there again he will have throwen all the other ones under the bus with Hillary He's Pelosis puppit any thing she says goes (his pick will be from Texas) and in the house with sweet Nancy ( hope iam wrong but would bet iam right)

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

abadreview — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:49:02 GMT

Look who it is, the worst writer in the history of "SnoozeWeek", and the propaganda spreading errand boy....Andrew "I sold my soul to hurt the poor" Romano! You tool...Clinton would only be beating McCain if Obama had never been born. Obama is the new leader of the Democratic Party, the Clinton era is OVER. Besides, they aren't democrats anymore, they're Republicrats, a hybrid in which they work with special interests and lobbyists, accept bribes from healthcare companies, pout in front of the whole world when they lose....despicable and NOT PRESIDENTIAL to say the least. America wants and NEEDS change, and that is what we'll be gettin with Obama. McNuke can't even keep track of his 7 houses he's so rich and senile. We need someone with a higher intellect to be President, and in the area of smart politicians, Obama stands alone. McSame has an itchy trigger finger, but lacks the comon sense to be allowed anywhere near the Presidency. After the Convention, Obama will be un-beatable. McCain will continue to make monumental gaffes, and America will vote accordingly.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

abadreview — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:56:15 GMT

"Puke Obama"...you and your post serve as a great example of the ignorance of those who support McBomb. Your post is pretty much unintelligible (look it up bud), and you pull your statements right out of your traitorous ***. Unless you are rooting for America to go down in flames, I suggest you vote Obama. Have you been in a coma the past 8 years? The country is worse off than it's been in half a century, wake the F up people, McSame will continue us down the same path of dishonor and destruction. Our own troops support Obama (well, most of them anyway). The GOP is a tabloid Party now, and the whole world has been laughing at us because of them. Vote Obama or get caught on the wrong side of history. Good luck explaining that to your grandchildren someday. "We used to be a Superpower, but we messed up and rewarded the bad guys with another term". It isn't too late to come to your senses.

Obama '08

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:58:31 GMT

COBALT !

JUST WANTED TO SAY ----- HI !

H I !

YOU GUYS ( INCLUDES GALS ) REALLY GIVE ME A LAUGH -------- REALLY !

I DON'T GET MAD ABOUT MUCH ; EXCEPT , FOR WICKED WITCHES AND ADULTEROUS SCUM.

I WILL NEVER STOP THE WORDS THAT ADDRESS POND SCUM AND THEIR ABILITY TO CONTAMINATE THE WORLD.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:01:00 GMT

tired and old.....you know, knock the Clinton's all you want but Chelsea??? What a low life scum bag you must be and I'd love to personally meet you so I could kick your stupid ass up and down the trailer park street that you obviouly live on. Crawl back under the rock and you know what....vote Republican the rest of your life and die old and alone which you soooooo obviously deserve.

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indyintx — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:03:47 GMT

Flamingo123 you sound like an independent, not a democrat. A real democrat #1 doesn't stay home on election day, and #2 votes the Democratic ticket no matter what.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Old_Geek — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:07:23 GMT

1. The conventions haven't been held yet, so Obama and McCain are still "presumptive" nominees.

2. If Obama is the Democratic candidate, I will vote for him because the alternative is too scary.

3. I was, and am a Hillary supporter.

4. Most importantly, the right to vote is one of our most precious priveleges - use it!

That said, what's with all the hate?? Obamanites hate Clintonistas and vice versa. The only thing you are doing is handing the White House to John McCain. Obama supporters, let me ask a question:

Exactly what did you hat about the 90's - the stable economy? Was it the relative peace abroad? Perhaps you didn't like the virtually nonexistant unemployment? Maybe the longest period of sustained economic growth in US history was too scary? Did the first balanced budget in 40 years, and the opportunity to pay down the national debt bother you?

Oh, I get it. "Bubba" might have made some shady land deals (unproven), or Hillary might have used inside knowledge to make an investment killing (unproven), or a dozen other media-driven witch hunts, all unproven. Wait a minute... Bill got caught getting a bj in the Oval Office and was too embarrassed to come clean about it (no pun intended). His wife forgave him; what's your problem?

Okay, Hillary wasn't the POTUS; but she was the next best thing to him. She was a strong wife, a confidant, a sounding boad on policy decisions, a great politician and foriegn ambassador in her own right, and a terrific First Lady. Among those traits, which one is most disgusting?

Maybe that doesn't qualify her to be President. Add to it the fact that she is a second-term Senator, and it's close enough for me. She has the objectives, goals and ideals with which I most agree. This was probably her only shot at being President.

Barack Obama has a great personal story, too. I mean no disrespect to him and, as I said, I will vote for him.

I can still wish it were otherwise.

Wake up, People, and do the right thing for your Country, not your ego!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Pukeobama — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:12:07 GMT

abadreview LMAO people like you and oldand tired is the very reason that people like me is the way we are about Obama if you have been for him all along then you must have picked up you name calling and rudness from him or Wright it's not just here ever sight you go on it's the same rudness namecalling you see and get

I thought this country was free and evweryone has the right too say and believe in their own thoughts but guess iam ignorate for think that for sure when it comes too Obama and his decipiles and for suporting Mcbomp soory too bust your bubble iam a dem that was throwed under the bus by the Dem party so trying too find a home

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:21:31 GMT

UK !

LOW LIFE SCUM BAG ?

TRAILER PARK ?

KICK MY ASS ?

IF I WAS STILL IN GOVERNMENT AND KNEW YOUR ADDRESS I WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU.

YOU SHOULD KNOW THE SCUM YOU ADORE; OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T.

VISIT THE CHELSEA CLINTON WEB SITES.

I GUESS YOUR JUST AN UNEDUCATED CLINTON SUPPORTER, THAT BELIEVES CLINTON DOUBLE SPEAK. SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, EASIER TO BELIEVE LIES.

SORRY ! YOU LIVE IN A TRAILER PARK AND ASSOCIATE WITH SCUM BAGS.

MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT ANGRY ABOUT THOSE THINGS, THEY LIVE LIFE.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

watchdogroup — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:25:28 GMT

"But it's worth remembering that she'd have a whole nother group of dissatisfied Dems to contend with--namely black and young voters, who supported Obama by overwhelming margins in the primaries and would've been at least as angry as Clinton's former backers are now if HRC and Co. had "stolen" the nomination by "bending the rules" at the 11th hour. If the tables were turned and Clinton were now running against McCain, these voters--who represent a full 30 percent of the NBC/WSJ sample group--would undoubtedly depress Clinton's numbers as much as (or more than) disgruntled Clintonites are now depressing Obama's"

This point hit the nail on the head-

TO ANY CLINTON OR OBAMA SUPPORTER-

To Obama supporters- if the situation WERE reversed- how many of you that usually vote Democratic would 'bury the hatchet' and do 'what's right for the party'- honestly?

If the answer is anything but a big YES- than you have no right to make to expect anything from HRC supporters!!!

TO CLINTON SUPPORTERS- Again if the situation were reversed and some Obama Supporters felt as Man and disenfranchised as you do right now- would you expect their support?

The point is- whether it's 2008 or 2012 or even 2016 - NIETHER GROUP WILL BE ABLE TO LAY CLAIM TO THE POTUS W/O a majority of support from the other.

Regardless of your preference you have to admit that as Democrats and some Indies and Republicans as well- we have had two OUTSTANDING choices. Rare that one Candidate can motivate millions and in a cycle and we've had 2!!!! (perhaps unfortunately so).

In ANY other year 95% of us would be on the same side and in this economic climate- it would have been NO contest vs. the GOP but unfortunately two historic Campaigns have perhaps hurt each other beyond repair and could drive a wedge for many years to come.

as an aside I find the way some of you Obama supporters talk to HRC supporters to be in really bad form- again how would you feel if you were the early favorite and you feel it was 'snatched away'. Conversly, I simply do not believe half of the supposed HRC supporters that have 'switched' to McCain- clearly a good percent of these folks are GOP shills, pretending to converted supporters.

Why do I say this?

Because very few People that put their trust in HRC and the issues that she holds dear could possibly support the Republican platform or the horrendous record John McCain has on Woman Issues, including what he did to his ex-wife.

As someone who was more or less uncommited at the begining of the Primary process I liked Biden, Edwards and Obama in that order and as the process wore I did did get a bit 'Clintoned out' & wasn't thrilled with some of the things that were said (RFK comeas to mind) BUT with that said - I swear I would hold my nose a bit and vote for HRC 8 ways from Thursday before I could ever sign my name to what the GOP represent AND IF I COULD NOT BEAR TO VOTE FOR CLINTON (OR OBAMA) - I GUARANTEE YOU I'D VOTE FOR A 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE IN PROTEST.

Would I do it out of responsibility or loyalty- NO, I'd do it simply because I know that Clinton and Obama's positions are very close and I'd be a huge Hypocrite to not support either one (again Obama Dems you better feel this way or shut up, already!- cause you have no right to complain about lack of supoort from some.

A HUGE PROBLEM HERE FOLKS IS IF NOT THIS TIME - IT MOST ASSUREDLY WILL NOT BE IN 2012- FOR EITHER CANDIDATE - THE BACKLASH AND POLITICS OF IT ALL WILL MAKE IT HUGELY DEVISIVE - YET AGAIN!

I ask each of you to please look in your hearts of hearts and come to the realization Obama people- Hillary is a voice that must be heard, like it or not- she has earned it!! Just as Obama would have in reverse. Would you want HIS name put in Nomination? WELL? So seriously whatever your personal beliefs about people- these are for the most part and in any other year you brethren. And Hillary supporters- you will have to have Obama's base to do anything in 2012 if She could get through a sticky nominating process.

I wish the answer were a joint ticket- There is little doubt this is how Hillary would have brought the 2 factions together. Is it a tougher proposition for Obama to do such - unfortunately Yes. She goes against 'change' and of course Bill is a huge issue. Surely Obama would lose plenty of indy and Rep. support if he did and the vetting hasn't even been done on Bill by all reports - BUT you know what- screw it- I WANT MY PARTY BACK and if this will do it so be it!!!!!!

Unified it still would not be easy- but at least it would bode better for 2012- this way not so much perhaps. Plus I'd love to watch HRC attack the GOP VEEP- good times! If not I would like to see them anounce that Hillary would be appoint to a new (Cabinet) position like czar of Health Care reform or some such- I know that they could work well together and that most of this is extremist distortions, Fake HRC to McCain supporters and Media driven. Still there HAS to be some common ground and mutual respect here- THERE HAS TO BE- or else I greatly dread our future for many years to came truly will be lost!

Thanks so much for reading and God Bless!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Old_Geek — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:38 GMT

tired and old -

I realize that your rhetoric is aimed at raising awareness and inviting political discourse, but you do go 'over the top' sometimes.

Keep stirring the pot, anyway.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:30:29 GMT

Pukeobama: your comment is right, but I think Obama should choose Polosi as his running mate that way they could lose together.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Old_Geek — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:33:27 GMT

watchdoggroup -

Amen and thank you.

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watchdogroup — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:34:55 GMT

Yikes sorry typos! where's spell check on this thing:-)

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

valark — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:35:20 GMT

Fun stuff in the Newsweek boards today....saw a thread where a person said we control China's economy...saw a post where someone implies working for the government their whole life but can't do a trace on a person to get an address...seeing several people tell other they are stupid ( or some similar distancing adjective ) to the very people they claim to be attempting to persuade.

Oh wait, it is like this every day. This place is better than The Onion.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:39:25 GMT

HEY ! PUKE.

I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO AGREE THAT YOUR PROBLEM IS IGNORANCE.

I WAS THE WAY I AM FROM DAY ONE, DID NOT KNOW REV. WRIGHT.

RUDENESS ? MAYBE A PRODUCT OF INDEPENDENT THINKING.

IF YOU THINK EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY AND BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN THOUGHTS, HOW ABOUT OTHERS ? DO BASIC RIGHTS ONLY BELONG TO CLINTON SUPPORTERS AND PUKES ?

SOUNDS MORE LIKE YOU SUFFERED MORE LIKE ROAD KILL.

DEMS VOTING FOR MC CAIN ?

DEMS STAYING HOME NOT VOTING ?

I WILL VOTE !

I WILL VOTE FOR CHANGE AND HOPE, HILLARY SUPPORTERS CAN SCREW THEMSELVES.

I REALL DON'T CARE ! REALLY !

STINKING CLINTONS DESERVE TO LOSE.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

UKis1Jeff — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:42:06 GMT

Still in goverment???? LOL Let me repeat that, if you were still in goverment and knew my address and walked onto my property in Kentucky, well there'd be one less dumbass in the world wouldn't there. You see, I'm not a typical Obama supported. I'm a gun owning death penalty advocate who'd just love to see you at my front door!!!

Morons like you who aren't capable of making logical arguments seem to be the majority of Obama's support. You can't discuss or even debate with intelligence so you resort to name calling. If you go back through this entire blog, you'll not find one Hillary supporter calling Obama personal names, let along his wife or children.

For what it's worth....very little to anyone but me.....I've got a degree in Political Science and I stay informed by reading 2 News Papers and several current affairs magazines almost every day. You have no ablitly to argue with me and I'm sorry that someone like you is even has the ability to be in the political process but hey....that's America where our Reps have 2 years terms so they constantly raise money for the next election rather than work for us. Where a Supreme Court nomination is for life rather than a term so either side fights to the death on every nomination. Where there is no limit of any kind on how much money can be spent on an election and we wonder why goverment doesn't work.

I don't know why you don't like the Clintons and you can't imagine how little I care. Get your info from Rush and the Drudge report......who cares, crawl back under your rock.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

valark — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:50:23 GMT

Why do you people even have a discourse with this Tired and Old person? They obviously aren't either old or tired...or in or out of a career in government or doing anything but trying to get attention...almost every post contradicts the other and then throws in idiotic statements about the Clintons so someone will take the bait, while completely ignoring the anti-semetic comments, which should be at least the focus of the anger before a Clinton slur...in short, this person is a crank, its like talking to a muppet or other fictional characters.

I mean do what you want, but I am curious as to why it is satisfying.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:32 GMT

THANKS ! OLD-GEEK.

I PUSH THE LIMIT AND TRY TO INSPIRE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

NEVER FORGET THE PAST, OR RISK REPEATING MISTAKES.

IT IS TIME TO INSIST ON DECENT POLITICIANS, WHO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

LET END SELF SERVING POLITICIANS WHO SERVE THEMSELVES ------ CLINTONS !

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Old_Geek — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:02:43 GMT

valark -

There's a "tired and old" in every one of these - political, social, sports, whatever. It doesn't matter what's boiling; they just like to stir the pot. :-)

Sometimes they get carried away and make anti-semitic, racial or misogynist remarks, and you're right: they need to be called down.

It's a free country, and that's the price we pay.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:05:16 GMT

I just love all these "IFs" questions regarding Hilliary, Please, Hilliary is not the nominee, accept it and move on! The only reasons a grat number of people voted was because of the "Clinton" name recognition (a lot of people that Bill was the cat's pajamas) and the fact she is a woman! Hilliarys campaign memos show an indecisive person who really could not make up her mind on very much and was afraid to make tough decisions. Her campaign was a disaster and so were her campaign fundraising/expenditures. Time to accept the fact she did not win, the fact that NOBODY cost her the election but Bill, her campaign and Hill herself. How many Hilliaries were there in the primary?? She kept changing her personna like she changed her shoes, depending on the weather and the environment. .

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Old_Geek — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:07:43 GMT

tired and old -

You're welcome. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just don't get too wound up - you'll burn out people's computer screens. Ha-Ha

Have a great day.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

tired and old — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:08:53 GMT

I AM CURIOUS TOO !

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a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:17:01 GMT

Posted By: Pukeobama (August 22, 2008 at 2:12 PM)

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The Clinton supporters and now the McCain supporters are the biggest namecallers, liars, and slanderous people around. Please take your preaching to your own ilk! We get called cultists, sheep, ignorant, stupid, and all kinds of vicious names. If there was a contest, your ilk would win hands down. As an aside, please spend some time sharpening up your English, such as spelling and when to use is and are. I'll help you out, for instance your "rudness" should be "rudeness"

When you have two different entities, such as red roses and a vase "is", it should be roses and vases "are". Just trying to help you out. Your attitude and reasoning leave much to be desires. What you are saying is because your brother called you a brat, you will go punch your mom?? Think about it!!

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a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:34:56 GMT

Posted By: tired and old (August 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM)

THANKS ! OLD-GEEK.

I PUSH THE LIMIT AND TRY TO INSPIRE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

NEVER FORGET THE PAST, OR RISK REPEATING MISTAKES.

IT IS TIME TO INSIST ON DECENT POLITICIANS, WHO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

LET END SELF SERVING POLITICIANS WHO SERVE THEMSELVES ------ CLINTONS !

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AND JOHN McCAIN, who wrote in his book that he wasn't running for president because of policies, but ONLY BECAUSE HE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT!! McCain does not care about the USA (no mattery how much he says he does) and he certainly does not care about policies----look at all the flipflopping he has done on at least 100 issues, first he was for it but is now angainst it, or he was against it and now he's against it. The man has NO moral values and totally out of touch with America. In the Faith Form, he said your were rich when you made $5 Million, then said he was kidding, but HE NEVER CAME UP WITH ANOTHE FIGURE!! Instead he changed the subject!! McCain has NO IDEA what income identifies the middle class! According to him, if you make under $5 MIllion, then you are in the middleclass!! He is so out of touch, he cannot even answer how many houses he has!!! Good heavens, since he cannot keep track of his own assets, how in the world can you expect him and trust him to know what is going on overseas and right here in the United States of America. Guess McCain has so many properties (houses, condos, a ranch with at three LARGE houses on it), that he has literally lost count. How many millions and mllions of dollars do McCain and Cindy have invested in all these properties?? And McCain's surrogate jumps all over Senator Obama for his ONE house which cost him a little over $ONE Million??? The McCain response was totally wrong and proved further McCain is the TRUE ELITIST, and NOT Senator Obama. Obama is one of us, the middle class, who worked hard, wrote two books which sold very well, that is where he got the bulk of his money. McCain, on the other hand had EVERYTHING GIVEN TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER!! Had his granddadand dad not been Admirals in the U.S. Navy, John McCain would have never been admitted to the Naval Academy, the same goes for him being GIVEN a pilots license. The guy all but FLUNKED OUT OF THE ACADEMY!! His service in the Nave was not all that stellar!! He builds on his POW status and rides it 150 miles an hour as a vehicle to the White House!! Well, McCain already has many houses, condoes, and a ranch with more houses!! The White House should NOT BE GIVEN TO McCAIN, NOT NOW, NOT EVER. By the way, how many other houses/condos do the McCains own that they are NOT telling us about, the ones they rent out for a very good profit??

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a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:48 GMT

Posted By: valark (August 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM)

I mean do what you want, but I am curious as to why it is

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TIRED AND OLD IS JOHN McCAIN trying to get some attention on these blogs!! Oh, sorry, I forgot!! John McCain does NOT KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER!!!

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basedrum777 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:04 GMT

Unfortunately for Barack and his supporters (myself included) he has no choice but to pick Hillary. She brings a throng of supporters with her especially in places like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Florida. To argue otherwise is to bely the truth of the matter. The VP is there to enhance the ticket. No matter what has happened Barack can show himself to be a bigger man by reaching his hand across the proverbial gap and grabbing Hillary's. It would be the very very prudent thing for him to do. I'm voting for him no matter what but that is not the case for many I know.

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a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:49:14 GMT

Posted By: valark (August 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM)

I mean do what you want, but I am curious as to why it is

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TIRED AND OLD IS JOHN McCAIN trying to get some attention on these blogs!! Oh, sorry, I forgot!! John McCain does NOT KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER!!!

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a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:55:02 GMT

By: abadreview (August 22, 2008 at 1:56 PM)

Obama '08

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IF, perchance, John McCain POWs his way into the White House, there will be no grandchildre or great grandchilden to tell the 2008 Election Story. The present administration and the entirely of the Republicans (yes, that include Mc/Bushclone) have already destroyed a sizeable portion of America and American lives! John McCain would get us into another war, or two, or three, like Iran, Syria, and Russia. These countries would come together and destroy the USA! Perhaps this is what so many of you want?? All because you cannot stand a man of color as our president? Is the destruction of our country worth YOUR bigotry and racism?? Well, is it??

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promises-to-keep — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:02:19 GMT

no need for swearing, or inferences to swear words.

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cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:02:52 GMT

A brighter America: Obama's Hyde Park, Chicago, home has four fireplaces and a wine cellar and was purchased with help from convicted felon Tony Rezko! That was somthing real that McCain hit back at Obama with! Obama has the worst of friends, Rezko, Ayers, Rev. Wright, that is why alot of people do not want to vote for him! Including my self. I am an indepentant, the reason I am an independant is because I can not just go and vote for a candidate because the party wants you too. I don't understand how anyone could! From the beginning of this primary season I watched both Democrats and Republican candidates, there were a few from both partys I thought would be good if elected president. Obama and McCain were not really an option in my mind, but we are stuck having to chose between these 2. McCain has more experience and does not have friends like Obama does, I live in Chicago I do know how things are here. I can also tell you Obama has been involved with some real shady deels here, like rehabing and bringing in his friends like Rezko and getting millions of dollars from the state for them to rehabe these buildings and once they were done people moved in and then had to move out because these buildings were unlivable. So when Obama talks about change, I don't believe him the only thing he wants to change is his address! McCain is the better choice!

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a brighter America 08 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:03:34 GMT

Posted By: tired and old (August 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM)

THANKS ! OLD-GEEK.

I PUSH THE LIMIT AND TRY TO INSPIRE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

NEVER FORGET THE PAST, OR RISK REPEATING MISTAKES.

IT IS TIME TO INSIST ON DECENT POLITICIANS, WHO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

LET END SELF SERVING POLITICIANS WHO SERVE THEMSELVES ------ CLINTONS !

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urrly — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:15:40 GMT

As a faithful lifelong Democrat I have never been more demoralixed tan I am now. We are on the zenith of oppurtunity to control the Senate, House and Presidendcy. But we have leader who has passed as much pork as her predicessor, it just shows that it does not matter who it is there favors that need repaying. We have a weak national leader who is more of a follower who disregards votes for favor of the wind and the direction it blows. And finally, listen to the supporters of Obama and the way they callously ignor and castize the past work of two people who actually spent time in Washington for more than the purpose of running for President. The Republicans for all there faults and lack of financial leadership will once again convince those in the center that America doesn't need that big of a change. Thank the party divided.

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cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:20:27 GMT

a brighter America: Who cares how many homes McCain owns! His wife is a very rich woman, she is worth millions. His wife probably takes care of the propertys and some of them were probably inherited by her. What difference does it make.

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just jerry — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:44:37 GMT

Obama supporters have to back off if they want him to win. The new politics they play aren't very respectful of others. They aren't uniting the country and they continually trash any democrats that believe Hillary or Bill Clinton have any value at all.

They are the ones dividing our political party. Hillary would be doing better because she knows how to bring people into the fold rather than continue a battle that is long over.

I've come to believe they weren't merely using an old politics strategy when they worked at the character assassination tactics they used against Hillary - they actually believe that Hillary is pure evil.

These people are zealots, not people offering something better to bring us all together.

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politicalguy — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:57:11 GMT

Can we please forget the houses and the VP specuation that ony the media cares about. McCaine is following in footsteps of the worst president in history. Do you people relize the freedom you have lost in the last 8 years. McCaine has no policy on anything including taxes, energy, or the economy. His shoot first and talk later policy will only lead to the old instuctions on war and conflict, when you see the flash put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye. Does anybody GET THIS MAN WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAFT!!!! This is not just your SONS this time people it's your DAUGHTERS TOO!!! If you can't think of a better way to kill your children and grand children vote McBush. This is why the republicans are prolife they want your children to reach the age of 18 so they can send them off to die in some political conflict. (remember war was not declared). Just remember because McCaine can't.

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cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:05:18 GMT

politicalguy: McCain DOES NOT WANT TO BRIND BACK THE DRAFT! Scare tactics will not work! Lets stick with the truth! McCain has never said that at all!

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Russell4America — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:26:24 GMT

McCain wants to reinstate the draft so your children can die for Exxon. McCain's voting record on issues regarding our troops and veterans: It''s abysmal -- do an internet search and read for yourself; McCain''s voting record on women's issues: It''s abysmal -- do an internet search and read for yourself -- this is of particular importance to Hillary supporters who are thinking of voting for McCain -- after reading his record, there will be no question that former Hillary supporters should NOT vote for McCain. Do an internet search of McCain''s voting record on any issues facing Americans today, and you will see how time and time again McCain votes for the interests of big business, big money and rich people, and time and time again McCain votes to give the finger to the rest of us who are just trying to get by in this world and make a living. McCain does not care about anyone but the rich. This is an important vote this year. Don''t vote for McCain.

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northwesterner — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:33:28 GMT

As soon as the VPs are picked and the conventions over, the debates will start...Obama will unvail the true nature of McCain's conservative agenda that will not help those who need help. I think Obama will bring out the multi-millionaire, not in touch with the price the milk agenda. Just add a bit of abortion rights negatives oil to the fire and the "real" numbers in the polls will come out.

When the debates begin the polls will show a dramatic swing.

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Newvoter101 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:46:22 GMT

No northweterner your'e wrong! When the debates, which BTW Obama has avoided, Obama will be history! Mccain has way better economic policies, a way better energy plan-drilling for oil, building nuclear, wind, solar, geo etc. And Obama is trying to basically tax everyone who makes money! That will lead to layoffs and higher prices for everyone!

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kleart21 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:49:19 GMT

Colbalt6

Actually you are right and wrong, he did not say that he wanted to bring back the draft, but in his town hall meeting a lady said that the only way that they could continue fighting would be to bring back the draft and Mr. McCain agreed.

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kleart21 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:56:17 GMT

Just Jerry

Honestly if the shoe was on the other foot, Hillary would be going through the same thing. Do you not believe that the people that support Obama would not feel as passionate as HRC supporters. They would and I'm not so sure that she would be doing any better than he is. I agree it is really time for us to rally together so that we can beat Mcsane. I'm truly not interested in another 8 years like we have had.

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TheDevil — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:03:26 GMT

I believe Hillary knows the political game better than Obama and thus would be stomping Mc Cain.

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politicalguy — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:05:06 GMT

I must agree the debates will make a huge differance. I just hope the media will ask the questions that need to be asked, but then McCaine will probably forget to show up.

To cobalt6 all you have to do is a google search to find out about McCaine's stand on the draft. Then again he filp flops on so many things you don't what's true and what's not. I can hardly wait for him to take credit on the timeline we just agreed to. This is a man who hasn't been to the senate floor to vote in last two years on anything. As stated by Russell he has one of the worst voting records with tax breaks for the upper 1% he has also voted against almost every bill that benifits the vets. Just ask Webb from Virgina how McCaine got credit for sponsoring a vet bill he didn't vote on. I am also an independent who has lost many freedoms over the last 8 years to a party and a president who is responsible for loss of these freedoms as well the lives of 4500 + lives in a totaly usless war that he is now setting a timetable to walk away from. The Dems need to get their act together and kick this old mans butt.

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cobalt6 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:09:50 GMT

Russell: At least McCain has a voting record. Obama mostly didn't vote so no knows where he stands!

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busby — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:10:01 GMT

You're kidding right? Being the scrapper that she is, Hillary would be beating the socks off McCain. I think you will see a much tougher campaign after the conventions and I don't think Obama will inspire enough trust in his experience and judgement to win. The DNC has made a mistake because for us, it's not who wins that is important but what they do for the country that will make any difference in our lives. So, winning, Obama supporters, is just the beginning and I don't think Sen. Obama sees beyond the beginning part and that is scary. It's not about King of the World or "I told you so" or nah, nah or anything else. It's about the future and what it will be for America. Anyone with children and grandchildren thinks this way no matter what conclusion they come to. And, as far as I am concerned I would have felt much safer with Mrs. Clinton as the nominee.

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kleart21 — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:13:51 GMT

The Devil

No Hillary would not be stomping McCain she would be getting beat with all of her past mistakes along with her husbands. I know that you all think that she does not have any faults but she does, just like Obama.

McCain would have found something to try to beat her down with and trust me as long as they have been in politics he would not have to look far.

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Oldandgray — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:59:31 GMT

Actually some of the objections are not on target because 1) the young and black voters would not have been dissatisfied because Clinton would have picked Obama for Vice President (and her campaign did improve as it went along) and 2) in spite of the aminus from the Republicans, they almost all say they have respect for her and will concede that she has the experience and skills to be President. Do I need to remind anyone that Obama's wins came primarily in the open primaries where people who were not registered Democrats could vote (and we do know that Republicans were encouraged to participate).

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lbrillante — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:37:36 GMT

Clinton would have been a rallying force for the republican party. They would be energized and ready to do whatever it takes to keep the Clintons out of the white house. I don't want to see them in the white house myself and would have voted for Hillary only to prevent McCain from becoming president. I in no way support her as president and I am a 44 yr old, single mom, business owner, democrat.

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lbrillante — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:38:38 GMT

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Carly127inNJ — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:11:25 GMT

Ibrillante: I actually know a number of Republicans in leadership positions that were supporting Hillary for POTUS in the Primary. She has worked across party lines and she has won a lot of respect from the Republican side of the isle and (more moderate) Republican voters.

Yes, Rush Limbaugh would have been frothing at the mouth but he is frothing also over Obama. There was no potential DEM candidate that the Republican base and Rove et al would have totally embraced. That's why we have a two Party system; but sometimes Voters will cross party lines and that will be the case for me.

I supported Hillary but will absolutely NOT vote for Obama. So ironically things are not always the way we think they should be. Without Hillary on the ticket, Obama will loose big time. None of the VP Contenders will save him

Also, there is a lot of discontent with how the Democrat Primary was carried out, particularly with the Caucus States.

Check out Dr Lynette Long at this website.

http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/

Dr. Long documents all of the voter fraud committed during the Primary on behalf of Obama that was committed by the Obama Campaign so that Obama could get the Democrat party nomination.

Futhermore, the Obama Campaign has done little or nothing to bring former Hillary supportors back under the tent. Hillary has absolutely done her best to support Obama; but many of us who have voted our entire adult lives for Democratic Presidential Candidates will not pull the lever for Obama.

We respect Hillary, but there is no way one can elect a candidate with NO executive experience. Being a Community Organizer and running for various policical offices for the last five to six years and serving a few years in the US Senate does a President make.

Obama can play this game with waiting for his great revalation on the VP; suposedly creating this great suspense (he is good at DRAMA) but it will NOT matter. Senator Biden, nor none of his other VP considerations will make a difference because Obama will be in the top positon and that just won't work.

Unfortunately, Obama has NOT picked for VP the ONLY person that could give him and us the victory in Novmeber and that person is Hillary Clinton, they would sweep the Republicans. Instead, the Republicans will sweep the Dems and McCain will be President.

Looking at the two presumptive candidates, one must face the facts that McCain is the better qualified of the two.

McCain stood up to Bush when no one else would (not many Republicans or Democrats asked for Rumsfelds resignation-McCain did) and got the "conservative wing" of the Republican Party furious with him for the challenges that he made for better economic and foreign policy over the last eight years. In many cases McCain was one of the few lone voices of reason in the wilderness and it took a lot of courage to go against his own party. I have never voted for a Republican for President but this year I have to really open to that possibility. McCain puts Country over Party and for that he has WON MY RESPECT and MY VOTE.

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aunntiemame — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:46:30 GMT

I pray that Obama choose Hilary as his running mate. These other "contenders" are all second rate by any comparison. If he does not choose her, I'll just have to resort to "Yellow Dog" and vote the Democratic ticket anyhow------McCain is just this side of senile, and has demonstrated this many, many times of late. Dare I say he would be more of an embarrassment than Bush, not to mention how further degraded our economy would be, our standing across the world, the albatross of the non-war, you name it. Makes me shudder...

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rojack777 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:12:21 GMT

Any Democrat who would vote for McCain over Obama because he didn't pick Hillary is foolish. To prefer four more years of Bush policies is like putting the final nail in the coffin for America. I accuse these non-Democrats of having Joe Lieberman tendencies. They are simple doing an unjust act to America and the Democratic party. They are turncoats. Check out <a href="therealmccain.com">The Real McCain.com</a> for the real truth on the flip flopping lies of McCain.

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rojack777 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:14:47 GMT

Link for last post is here: <a href="http://therealmccain.com">The Real McCain</a>

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oceanmist — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:39:13 GMT

Ok, here's the deal peopl. Clinton is not on the ticket, so that needs to be accepted as fact.

Obama could not choose Clinton because of her own undoings. Look at what she did...she

attacked him, was very unhanded, dirty and extremely mean spirited when running against

him. She made it so bad that there was no way he could choose her for his VP. She also

would have over ran him and walked all over him in the white house, as well as undermining

him. Then you have to remember Bill Clinton. That would have been a nightmare. Trust me,

they would have tagged team him. On top of that, let's look at something else that all you

"Clinton" supporters seem to have forgotten. Hillary and Bill did "NOT" want second place.

They seem to think they were/are too good for that. And if Obama loses the election, it will "NOT"

be his fault. It will be those old feminist so called women of the 60's who just wanted to see a

female president. If they vote Republican just because they are mad a female didn't make the

presidential office, then they deserve to lose the rights they fought so hard for back in the 60's.

Maybe they better get their heads out of their butts and think about things logically instead of

emotionally or hormonally. And in case any of you are wondering, I'm in my 50's and I can see

the hatred that would have been in that Oval office if Clinton had been VP. And let us not forget,

the last time they were in office, HER husband signed the agreement to allow OUR JOBS to be

sent overseas. And when they moved out, they stole some stuff and were told to return it immediately. And one other very important factor, she couldn't even budget her campaign, how

in Gods name did any of expect her to balance the budget or the many other things that need and

require financial finis' ??

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oceanmist — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:52:00 GMT

oops....had a few misspellings there. Sorry....I usually proof read my postings, but this time I just felt so agitated over all the negative trash going around. People need to stop blaming Obama for everything that goes wrong and just accept the fact that like it or not, Clinton made some very profound mistakes. From the way she ran her campaign to the way she budgeted her campaign. She's not ready for office. Anyone her age who cannot budget and who feels they must step to such low life tactics to get what they want, don't deserve what they are attempting to accomplish. Anytime you are running against someone, you don't trash them the way Hillary did, you cannot do that and not know you just blew your chances of ever at least being VP if you lose the run off. She lacks common sense, financial abilities, organizational skills and people or social skills. Those tears were fake. The emotions were fake. She was doing what "any" female does when they want to get their way. And the younger women of today, well, they were too smart for Clinton and they weren't falling for it. I was so disgusted with it, I can't even put it into words. Well, no matter, she is not the vp and people need to realize, if they don't vote for Obama, this country is more than screwed. We may well not be as we are right now. The republicans will have us in World War III. So, if that happens, blame all the sour, bitter, angry women who decided to vote Republican.

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mcgreen — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:38 GMT

Nope.

If Clinton was the nominee we would be regaled with a rehash of the bimbo years, unearthing of questionable financial deals..... and lots more psychodrama which is frankly tiresome.

Obama managed a high performing campaign, she did not. Further evidence of who can run the ship of state effectively.

Now if only the same voters who voted in Bush twice don't do a repeat and vote in McCain, we can start turning around the US economy, start investing in OUR future to ensure our kids have something there when they reach adulthood.

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surething — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:42:42 GMT

So "Oceanmist is trying to say that if McCain takes office women will lose their rights.

"If they vote Republican just because they are mad a female didn't make the presidential office, then they deserve to lose the rights they fought so hard for back in the 60's." Hmm,

I am pretty sure that is that is not true.

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oceanmist — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:49:30 GMT

The reason I said that, is because so many women have been heard on the news saying they will vote republican. And there are a lot of things on womens rights that McCain disagrees with. Such as the right to choose....I'm not meaning to be rude here, but I'm surprised you haven't heard about this.

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oceanmist — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:58:04 GMT

Here are a few examples:

April 25, 2008

"And last week, he came under fire from some women's groups for skipping a vote on equal pay legislation supported by Clinton and Obama.

"Someone should tell McCain and the Senate Republican leadership that before the 2007 Supreme Court decision, this bill was the law of the land protecting women, people of color, older and disabled workers from wage discrimination," said Eleanor Smeal of the Feminist Majority.

"Although McCain now claims that he's strongly anti-abortion -- polls have shown most women support abortion rights"

ABC News:

“On almost every single issue that’s important to women, he’s been on the wrong side,” the presumptive Democratic nominee told ABC News in an interview in Flint, Mich. Monday.

Posted on Jun 16, 2008

“You know, he is in favor of judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade. He has opposed equal pay. He has opposed the CHIP [Children’s Health Insurance] program, that would make children insured,” Obama said. In an interview Monday, Obama highlighted McCain's voting record on issues that predominantly affect women.

"He has opposed efforts to protect women against some of the discrimination that they experience in the workplace," Obama said.

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oceanmist — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:01:43 GMT

A couple more:

June 15, 2008, The New York Times

Mr. McCain is a fierce foe of abortion rights or that he voted to terminate the federal family-planning program that provides breast-cancer screenings.

Here's how two faced McCain is:

TEN years ago John McCain had to apologize for regaling a Republican audience with a crude sexual joke about Hillary and Chelsea Clinton and Janet Reno.

Last year he had to explain why he didn’t so much as flinch when a supporter asked him on camera, “How do we beat the bitch?”

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busby — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:28:48 GMT

Will Obama be more to the left or right as president. No one knows, I bet not even him. For Sen. Obama, it's all about winning and nothing about governing. Why do you think he chose Biden? With his experience,Biden can come up with the ideas and Obama, as is his wont, can take credit or c.h.a. if it doesn't work out. The problem will be when two great egos collide and one with diahhrea of the mouth no less. I voted for Biden in the primaries in 88?. But he can't change the outcome. The veep choice just doesn't make that much of a difference historically. And for a layman like me Obama just doesn't come across as about caring for the job. He is much more interested in the title. Who to vote for is the problem. Don't like republicans and now don't like the "new" democrats either. Guess I'll write the one I think would have done the best job if my state allows write-ins unless the weather is bad - then the hell with it.

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Dave08 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:48:16 GMT

I have been a life long Democrat and I'm mad as hell! What my party has done to the the process of electing our Presidential Candidate is outrageous! Never before in all my years (I'm 52 years old) have I witnessed such total disregard for rules that were in force to elect our candidate. You will never be able to convince me that the rules weren't changed to shove Obama down our throats!! What was done to Hillary borders on criminal. So now we have people like Oceanman or woman telling us we should vote for Obama and not even think about Senator McCain?? Out of all the Republican I've ever known he has has shown he can work with us (McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy) these are just two bills where he actually worked with us, there are many more. I don't agree with all his positions and I don't believe he is the monster you make him out to be either!! Obama on the other hand has little experience in anything, he would make an excellent used car salesman though, cause he can sell most anything to most anybody. But, he won't be getting my vote. "for the first time in my adult life" I WILL be voting REPUBLICAN...and don't kid yourselves, Bill and Hillary will be too!!!

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urrly — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:38:02 GMT

Oceanmist is only one part of the problem. I can see him know touting his brand of extremism at the caucus. How can someone from the same party hold such begrudging views for the only President who ever balanced the budget. Isn't that the most important issue.Thank you Lynette Long for you research on the Caucus factor. I have been angry for a long time about that corupt system. What happen to one man one vote in the quiet of the voting booth. Your research was thorough and brilliant. I live in Fl. My vote hasn't counted for some time now.! The real problem is the Party leadership. Pelosi she supports the caucus, allows pork to be passed and did not want to have to answer to another woman. Dean is an idiot, just see how he handled Mich. and Fl. I have been a life long Democrat. But I just can't see where there a good choice for any of us. To vote for the inexperienced, supported by an idiot and a the ineffective leadership of Pelosi is worse than voting republican. Dems should clean up there party first. Let me be the first to say "Justn Wait Until 2012" Maybe we can get right then. And maybe Obama will actually have a voting record.

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oceanmist — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:56:49 GMT

I'm amused at the news on tv at the moment. There people out there who are wondering why Obama picked Biden, because of Biden's age. Yet they wanted Hillary. Hillary and Biden are close in the age. So, what's the problem??? Too many pig headed feminist. This only proves my point...they wanted Hillary "ONLY" because she was/is female, "NOT" because she could do the job. What a bunch of old bitty feminist.....

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urrly — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:53:39 GMT

I inherited a car eight years ago. It has never run very well. I tried to trade it in four years ago but was voted down. The car has devaled so much it is just not worth anything anymore and I'm still making payments. Those who gave me the car promised it would increase in value and be good for many years. They lied! The new cars are out now. They tout this new ecological ecoomy and assure me too that there brand of tranportation will be better than anything in the past. The only problem with that is that this new technology is untested, doesn't have a lot of miles, nor much horse power. No I think with a little patinence I should wait. I couldn't stand it if I was sold another pig in a polk just for the sake of change. With the value of the dollar the way it is today I think it would be wise to wait and get the ungraded model after the bug are worked out(Pelosi/Dean) maybe when more testing is done. it will be ready to carry us well into the future. Who knows it might even be a collectors model that appreciates with time. How proud I would be to see someone bid for it as it goes across stage at Jackson/Barrett, that would be an investment that made sense. Does anyone know where i can pick a good set of tires, I only need them for about 50,000 miles.I don't drive much what with the price of gas and all.

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gneubeck — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:45:50 GMT

In spite of the fact that Obama's 3:00am VP announcement was a direct, and not-so-subtle, slap at Hillary and her supporters for her Primary criticism of his notorious and painfully evident inexperience, the Clintons are ecstatic over Obama's pick of "Jawbone" Biden as his VP. A man who can speak eloquently ad-nauseam while saying absolutely nothing of substance. The McCain camp will certainly exploit Biden's former prolific praise of McCain; his multiple assertions that Obama was not sufficiently experienced to assume the Presidency; and, who correctly noted that the White House was not the proper venue for Obama's: "On-The-Job-Training". Obviously Obama was smart enough to recognize that he needed a "Handler" close-by 24/7; and, no-doubt has scheduled Biden for remedial training in diaper changing. It's a good time to invest in "Pampers". The Clinton's, astute in the way of politics, will simply re-enforce their base of supporters in preparation for a now certain 2012 bid. Greg Neubeck

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kellyfish — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:47:34 GMT

Yes, she would be doing better than Obama. The guy just needs more time in the oven. Dems are having to work way too hard to make a case for him. It seems like they did not bother to do a sufficcient background chek on the guy either (along with Edwards). Neither should have been in contention. Well, Hillary has her own issues--but she is a stonger candidate NOW. Obama should have had the patience to wait. He may win, but I bet he would be a better leader with some experience....

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LA2000 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:46:50 GMT

Honestly, I don't know what all the Clinton fuss is about. I am a republican. I am voting for Obama. I never would have voted for Hillary. I am glad the democrats gave me an alternative that has the courage to be visionary and optimistic (like Reagan) without all of the unnecessary slander and mud of the Bush/Rove/McCain/Clinton style of politics. Obama strikes me as a leader, and boy is that a rare thing in politics these days. McCain, whom I have always admired and supported in 2000, seems to have Rove style political advisers leading him around by the nose these days. I don't even recognize the McCain that is currently running for office. That, at least in my book, is not leadership.

Obama strikes me as intelligent and articulate. He is certainly capable of winning, as I am sure the Clinton campaign can attest. He did, afterall, beat the prohibitive favorite for the democratic nomination.

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MoMoMookie — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:31:20 GMT

Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain? No not at all PERIOD!! I liked Hillary at the beginning of the campaign but when Hillary cried during one of her campaign stops that pretty much did it for me!!! Also when Hillary would not concede to Obama I then believe that Hillary was totally out of place and could not win against Jon McCain!!! I am and will ALWAYS BE A Democrat but I think Hillary would have been the wrong choice and would not be ahead of McCain. Obama is the only choice and with Joe Biden as his VP pick will take Obama to the WHITEHOUSE IN NOVEMBER!!!! Joe Biden was a super great pick for OBAMA and will help him IMMENSELY!!!!!

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v6scooter — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:27:43 GMT

No, because the youth vote would not come out for her. And of course the AA vote would note be energized. Democrats can not win without high turnout by both groups. One thing I give the republicans is that they fall in line. The in-fighting with the democrats is rediculous.

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lb078 — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:54:20 GMT

LA, you're obviously not a republican if you're voting for obama. why do people keep getting in these blogs and make comments that make no sense? if you're trying to make a statement, just come out and say it. something like "i know absolutely nothing about politics, and even though obama has no experience, his vp pick seems to prefer mccain, and he cdidn't even make it through the campaign without breaking promises, i'm voting for obama because he makes pretty speeches, even if there is no way he could ever come through on the content". how refreshing a post it would be.

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miat — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:10:40 GMT

Wanting the clintons back in the White House is a symptom of profound voter dysfunction. The clinton adulator is no less than the abused woman writ large, i.e., consider:

1- the clintons' willful utter failure for 8 years to confront terrorism--(see Michael Scheuer, YouTube 'Virtual Kill')

2- the clintons' reflexive abuse of women ("Link to video of Dateline NBC Juanita Broaddrick interview at YouTube 'Vote Smart: A warning to all women about hillary clinton"-400,000-plus views) Also, YT- 'yet more hillary baggage: abuse of power/the Barrett report'

3- the clintons' demonstrated racism (think "South Carolina," think "Rwanda") (YT-"'hillary: 'Vote white!' (clinton racism goes overt") Also YT-"'hillary 'a monster' (Samantha Power, clinton and Genocide)"

4-sub rosa anti-Semitism, given relentless clinton Israel arm-twisting and Arafat coddling, and numerous terrorist alliances (See YouTube: 'QWERTY 4: hillary clinton disguises terrorist money.' Also: YT-'Buying Puerto Rico-hillary terrorist sellout' and 'baggage + bombs: vetting hillary' and 'SECTS, LIES AND VIDEOTAPE: hillary clinton's ethnic slurs'

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laugher — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:18:24 GMT

It would be best if you referred to "Obama supporters" rather than young and black voters. I am 60 and white and many, many people I know -women and men - white and nonwhite support Obama. Please don't stereotype Obama's supporters.

Thank you

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pjmarnj — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:53:22 GMT

If Obama needs Biden for VP, what does it say about Obama? Obama would never accept either Clinton as VP. Choosing a V.P. with more experience than he has takes away his focus. I have driven from NJ to VA many times and I am angry at getting soaked by the State of Delaware soaking me for that Delaware toll. Every time I fork over money I remember Biden sticking out his hand.

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minnie08 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:25:07 GMT

I think any candidate for President is going to pick a VP who not only mirrors his/her goals and values, but one who will also bring other strengths, expertises and talents. Each compliments the other. I think Obama made a great choice by chosing Biden, even though I would have liked to have seen Hilary as VP. Moreover, Biden is a strong contender as is Obama. Both are savvy, smart, and with make a great team. McCain will probably seek a VP do the same thing. However, McCain has So Many Weaknessess it will be impossible to find a VP that could compensate for his ineptness. Talk about Foreign Policy..... we all watched the same TV News programs and interviews where McCain couldn't even keep the facts straight about the different Islamic factions straight let alone pronounce them correctly. And what about the interview with Katy Couric where she had to try and cover for McCain's gaffe because his answer to her question was embarrassingly incorrect. The man is skating on the seat of his pants! It's like the guy you work with you doesn't know anything, doesn't do anything, and the Boss hasn't quite figured out that the weak link in the company is that guy who's best talent is flying just high enough to avoid being detected by radar. That Friends is John McCain. He doesn't know anything, no does he do anything for the average cititzen. I am Convinced McCain will embarrass this country and put us in worse shape then we are now. And on another note, I think McCain is intimindated and threatened by Biden. Yes indeed. Obama picked a straight talking, flame thrower of a VP, and that's what the Dems need.

Go Obama & Biden !!

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Ilar — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:34:55 GMT

Hillary would be pouncing Mcain by now. Obams'a so "high brow" that he doesn't know how to get down dirty. He has had to become that way, so smart, so high-brow, so above the average Black man in order to get where he is; so he can do nothing else. Hillary on the other hand knows how to play "the dozens" on you without you ever knowing youv'e been played. She is pure grit! And the Lady has class, knowlege, and religion. If I were in her shoes, I'd be laughing at our party, for not choosing her for president. But, you chose pretty over tried and true. You chose mind over matter. You chose youth over wisdom of the aged. Now we have to live with our choice. I am a Black great grandmother, and I will not vote for Obama, and will sit this one out, the first one in at least 50 years.

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kwelar — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:42:45 GMT

of course i cant run away from my dreams but if they usually comes true im not afraid to share them with the world im writting this from africa my dream was like this there was a function for the democrats and obama was unveiling his vice president people who where there waiting there was a stumpede and many suporters of obama died in that stampede i saw obama and his wife crieng for the supporters planning what to do after the stampede and this is how i interpreted my dream the vice president or running mate is going to do smthing that is going to cost obama a lot of supporters or else its the lateral meaning of my dream so please remember me when things like this happened

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miltongalfas — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:52:04 GMT

It's amazing how another inexperienced writer (Romano) uses hyperbole as fact. It is not clear that Clinton would not beat McCain. On the contrary all polls show that she is the stronger candidate against McCain. It doesn't matter that you wish to ignore facts... especially with the lack of reporting skills you show... It only matters that the facts show Clinton as the people's choice and Obama as the elitist Democrats choice. We will vote seriously and choose a leader with experience in November. The media will be surprised again.

Why don't you get some more academics to interview. After all those who can do... Those who can't, teach! or write?

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

E. J. Neila — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:20:36 GMT

HILLARY WOULD NOT BE AHEAD SIGNIFICANTLY IF AT ALL. Historical Baggage would be unloaded off the plane: Vince Foster, White Water, Universal Health Care Failures, NAFTA, Sniper Fire Deception Stories; Alienating the Black Voters-who would be contemplating voting for McCain comparable to her supporters; the Lincoln Bedroom; how to control her spouse-the Ex-President of the USA; funding the Clinton library; tracing Clinton wealth; questions about her sexual preference and more would have jelled the GOP like warm jello in Alaska on a cold day. Negative Advertisements would be non stop and more serious than today. For those who feel the DNC should allow the selection of our V.P. by Republicans are out-to-lunch! Why are they asking for Hillary is not being addressed; rather, they are telling Americans that Republicans want to know why she is not the V. P. candidate and they do not deserve an answer or so much media coverage. Why isn't the conversation equal? Dems could argue that Jeb Bush would be the best V. P. for the Republican party (he was a governonr, young, "W's" brother, "H's" son, and so on) and this is not a topic of a never ending converstaion. Stop insulting our intelligence and giving us poll data from 10-1000 like minded people with land-line phone only. The map is changing so how credible is data based on changed demographics? As for the media being liberal biased, IT IS NOT! Print and audio medias are conservative. The six media businesses that own the airwaves are owend by conservative people whose messages reflect their biased outlooks and covers the deviant games the rich play. Even though Obama receives more air time, IT IS 85-90%NEGATIVE! Such is advantageous for John McCain only. The playing field is not equal and Obama is trying to stay afloat. Hillary is not stronger just because a supporter says so-or because our opponent wants her-or because she says so. NO ONE KNOWS WHO WOULD BE LEADING AND CERTAINLY BY HOW MUCH. I want talk about the loss of jobs in America and what each plans to do about it; health care changes; equal pay for equal work, ENERGY, ENERGY, ENERGY, TRANSFORMING PUBLIC EDUCATION; slowing the impact of one world government-that we the people did not VOTE FOR and more. GET REAL!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

E. J. Neila — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:20:41 GMT

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

E. J. Neila — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:04:20 GMT

MOST TIMES, people ask for Barabbas McCain instead of Obama types and get exactly what they deserve PAIN AND MISERY--THEN COMPLAIN. This election boils down to two things: (1) Is White America willing to continue hurting becuase of bias and global colonialism and/or (2) Has White America decided they hurt enough? This is Your History Making Decision!

Wake Up in Greensboro.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

paulte — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:12:18 GMT

There is no way Hillary would be crushing McCain if she were the Dem nominee but she probably would be ahead of him in the polling as Obama is now. The question is really is Obama's slip in the polling now a fluke or the beginning of the end game? I think Hillary might be doing marginally better than Obama in the polls now for the racial reason, namely that she is white.

Race seems to trump gender in American politics and for that reason I think she would have a better shot at beating McCain in November than Obama does. But a Democratic win is no by means a sure thing. Even if the Dems win, it will be close. The Hillary v Obama feud is by no means over. I just read a poll today that is probably overstated which says that 51% of the Hillary supporters won't be supporting Obama in the fall as of now. Another thing to factor in is Hillary's very high negatives which run close to 50% of likely voters. Obama seems to be widely liked even by those who don't like his liberal views or feel he lacks experience.

My own gut feeling is that Hillary's negatives are just too high for her to win the Presidency even against McCain. The racial issue should not be overstated but it is a factor. However, it doesn't trump Hillary's negatives. And if the racial issue were removed by Hillary being the nominee, then the gender issue would come front and center. A lot of people out there in the heartland are no more anxious to see a female Commander-in-Chief than they are to see a black President. Obama as a male would be more acceptable as Commander-in-Chief but Hillary would be more acceptable as head of state.

The bottom line though is that neither of these two clowns, Hillary or Obama, can beat the old fart McCain! Go McCain go!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Tappy McWidestance — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:26:47 GMT

While all you Billary whiners out there cry about how she could have lost to the "black guy", you should remember one thing: If Obama loses this election because Billary and her supporters refuse to support Obama, her political career is over. You can take it to the bank that she will NEVER be elected President and she won't hang onto her seat in the Senate. People haven't forgotten all the dirty politics and mud slinging that Billary used against Obama and they will make her pay for it!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Tiffany Robbins — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:38:45 GMT

Yes she would be CRUSHING McCain. It is a shame that people can not see Hillary for herself without Bill She is a strong leader and if Obama looses it will be in no way shape or form Hillary's supporters fault. How dare you say that! It is people like the previous poster that are keeping the party from being united. They want to Blame the Hillary camp for everything. Before Obama came along the press hailed her as the new leader of the party and turned thier backs on her for Obama and everyone went along becasue it is the "cool thing to do" " he is so young and he will change everything" and as YOU pointed out he is "black." You are sheep.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

djbj — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:44:01 GMT

SEEMS TO ME THE BEST THING HE COULD OF DONE SHOULD OF DONE WAS MAKE HILLARY HIS RUNNING MATE,VP!! NOW I FOR ONE WOULD OF VOTED FOR HIM BUT NOT NOW!! WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN. OBAMA AND HILLARY NOW THAT WOULD OF BEEN THE DREAM TEAM, BUT HE I BELIEVE IS TO ARROGANT AND SELF CENTERED I THINK TO HAVE HER ON HIS TICKET BECAUSE HE KNOWS SHES MORE EXPERIENCED. AND THAT HE IS NOT.TO GREEN IN MY EYES TO TRUST HIM AMD I DON,T SO ITS MCCAIN FOR ME!!!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

xanabella — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:36:02 GMT

People, people. These polls are all meaningless. Need I remind you that we elect our presidents with electoral, not popular votes, and in the electoral mapping Obama is ahead of McCain substantially.

Obama McCain Margin

Real Clear Politics 322 216 Obama +106

Electoral-Vote.com 316 209 Obama +107

FiveThirtyEight.com 303 235 Obama + 68

Pollster.com 284 147 Obama +137

AVERAGE 306 202 Obama +104

If you think about the reporting of the fluctuating state polls lately that show a tight race, all of them involve red states that McCain can't afford to lose: Colorado, Montana, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Alaska, Georgia, etc.

Despite the media narrative that a number of blue states are competitive, the truth is none of the recent polling shows McCain making any significant inroads in the blue states. Consider: In Michigan, McCain had not led in any poll since May; In Pennsylvania, McCain has not led in any poll April, and a Republican poll released last week showed McCain trailing by 9, in line with the current Pollster.com average; In New Hampshire, McCain has not led in any poll since April;

In Minnesota, while one recent poll showed McCain within the margin of error, no other poll in the past month (including one poll taken more recently) has him within 12 points. So, while the media breathlessly reports the national tracking polls which shows a close race, the state polling is still showing a pretty significant Obama lead.

As for Hillary, supposition about how she would be doing against McCain is a waste of time, no pragmatic person would play the "if", game, face it, if the Queen had balls she'd be the king, or in this case she's be Hillary.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

DannyH — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:05:58 GMT

LOL, now that "O-bomb-us" had lost his lead in polls and his popularity in his own party, his Obomb maniac supports are using Hillary as an escapegoat for Obomb's lost. Look at the tired and old frog's post, its definitely sexiest I would said.

ANY WAY, TO ALL HILL SUPPORTS COME AND VOTE FOR MCCAIN, OUR ARMS ARE OPEN FOR YOU.

MCCAIN 08

WE LOVE YOU HILL-SUPPORTERS.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

DannyH — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:17:49 GMT

ANY WAY, TO ALL HILL SUPPORTS COME AND VOTE FOR MCCAIN, OUR ARMS ARE OPEN FOR YOU.

MCCAIN 08

WE LOVE YOU HILL-SUPPORTERS.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

therealmarie — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:53:57 GMT

If HRC had won the nomination the Repugs would have beat her like a drum.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Aeddon's mom — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:40:40 GMT

I wouldn't have voted for Clinton. I stated it then. I state it now. I find her and her husband to be dishonest, cheatin' do anything to get elected politicians.

It would have been the first election I sat out in my life, and when I discussed it with my family (children included) and friends, I explained that sometimes you have to lead with your ethics - couldn't vote for McCain - so I would have to sit it out.

I sighed deeply when the DNC didn't let her steal the election when she had rightfully lost. And bear in mind - she has many more negatives for the GOP to used than they are using against OBAMA - inexperience? Come on that woman has only one more term than he does and she tried to turn her ceremonial duties into experience - give me a break.

The idea that she and Bill discussed foreing policy and she contributed to his presidency - but they failed to maintain an intimate marriage? I don't think so.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

ooooooooooo — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:09:16 GMT

It is unfortunate that this election is coming down to such a division within the party that was supposed to run away with the election. It is hard to understand how Democrats who previously supported one Democratic candidate would turn their backs on the values, beliefs, and policies expressed by both candidates in order to make a stubborn statement. This election was intended to be about so much more than that. At this point, debating whether or not Hillary could be beating McCain is neither here nor there. Hopefully, Democrats who were bruised and offended by the arduous primary process will eventually remember what it was that attracted them to Hillary in the first place - and hopefully that was her policies and beliefs, which are much more similar to Obama's than they are to McCain's. I don't see how voting Republican makes any kind of statement about the importance of Hillary's candidacy. To my dismay, as a female voter, this brash "statement" seems to decrease the chance not only that women's interests and rights will be protected, but also that we will have a female president in the near future. I am hopeful that our party can unite behind one candidate, instead of behaving in the way that Republicans expect of us, and letting stubborn impulses detract from a common goal.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

27YearVet — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:13:16 GMT

I fail to understand why the press keeps on insisting that Obama's only support is the youth and black vote. I'm a over 60 white male raised in Alabama and have many, many,many diverse friends, such as my 50 year old male co-worker from South America, who support Obama. We may not be the majority of our age and race groups but we are here in large numbers. By the way, NONE of us support Clinton but would vote for her over any Republican.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

MJadeEyes — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:02:08 GMT

1. I come from a Republican family.

2. I registered as a Democrat to vote for Hillary in the primary election.

3. Hillary WOULD HAVE CRUSHED McCain in November.

4. Obama does not have nearly the experience that is needed to undo what the current administration has done.

5. I will be voting for McCain in November.

You can't just vote for someone because he is black or because he is younger, or because the Kennedys like him, or because you think he's a "nice guy". Hey, let's vote B.O. because he's such a nice guy and has a great smile. NOOOOOO! Come on now, are you SERIOUS?

We NEED someone who is experienced ... experienced ... EXPERIENCED!!!! We need someone who can get our butts out of this war in a realistic timeframe and who will make the best decisions in times of crisis for our country.

Obama is trendy ... most people voted for him in the primary without knowing anything about him except that he is a black man and wouldn’t it be cool to have a black president. But we all know how trends fade and are replaced by new trends quickly.

I like trendy clothes, but when it comes to someone who will lead my country and make decisions for all of us -- I want someone who is solid.

The choice of this Joe Biden person does absolutely nothing for me. Tricky move by Obama though ... choosing a white haired guy who he thinks may take some voters away from McCain. Not happening.

IF OBAMA WERE SMART, HE WOULD HAVE CHOSEN HILLARY AS HIS RUNNING MATE. That WOULD HAVE been the ideal DREAM TICKET. And definitely would have made HISTORY.

As it stands now, McCain will win the election come November.

Well, I'm not one to look very far into the future, but I hope to see Hillary running in 4 years.

God Bless our country. We're going to need all the help from Him we can get with these 2 candidates.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Prt10 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:33:58 GMT

Really she was not expeireinced enough to run her campaign effectively? Be honest the primary election was hers to lose and she lost it - what makes you think that she would have run a more effective Presidential campaign? I like Hillary allot and would have voted for ger - but it is time to stop distorting things - she lost the primaries because they screwed up and took too long to realize it. It was not the presses fault , it was not Obama's fault it was the fault of her campaign.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

rmcbride — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:10:30 GMT

Give me a break. This is purely a hypothetical, because she is not the candidate and YOU do not know what would happen if she had been the candidate for these last few months. The Republican Attack Machine would have been out spreading lies about her as they have against Barack Obama and the media would be feeding it as they are doing against Barack Obama! Wake up America!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

Politicswithagrin — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:32:50 GMT

I really don't think Hillary would be beating McCain. Even if she didn't have a section of democrats who would have still been loyal to Obama, there are too many people out there who feel firmly anti-Hillary.

http://www.politicswithagrin.blogspot.com/

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

tomanjeri — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:38:57 GMT

Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain? No, absolutely not.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

grammom — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:26:28 GMT

I've been a Republican since the 80's when we showed all levels of government that we could and did switch parties to vote out the too-long-in-office Democrats. It's time to spend billions on our schools, and getting gangs and drugs off our own streets. I didn't switch parties in time to vote for a Democrat in the Primary, but I'm asking for a write-in ballot, and putting Hillary's name on it!!!!!

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

aniknart — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:26:57 GMT

lets remember that clinton as a 49% negitivity rating and that obama supporters like myself would not be any happier with her than her supporters are with him

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

joe85 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:22:32 GMT

What you sow, is what you reap!!!.

Whatever hillary clinton does now isirrelevant.The seeds of racism which fuel her through NH, Penn, Ohio to mention a few; are the real reasons why obama will loose in November!!!.

She was the first to make charge that McCain and her have passed the threshold of being CIC; hillary was witch that planted the curse that BHO is unamerican,a throw of the dice with no experience except making speeches!!!.

Armed with her playbook,john mccain will continue to do her work so that she claims the presidency in 2012!!!.

But those who carry the sword die by the sword. Women make 65% of voters.Its for them to make or break this election.but the majority of women are not cult followers of hillary.Infact 13 to 24% are hard-core fanatics the media is always reporting on to continue a primary long concluded!!!.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

joe85 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:22:33 GMT

What you sow, is what you reap!!!.

Whatever hillary clinton does now isirrelevant.The seeds of racism which fuel her through NH, Penn, Ohio to mention a few; are the real reasons why obama will loose in November!!!.

Armed with her playbook,john mccain will continue to do her work so that she claims the presidency in 2012!!!.

re: Would Clinton Be Crushing McCain?

haynessemperfi — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:24:57 GMT

If Hillary had won the nomination, she would have been forced to pick Obama as her VP. Once Obama started bringing in high numbers (Super Tuesday), Hillary and Co. know these two were joined at the hip. This is indicated earlier when Hillary and Bill started commenting that would make a great VP.

There are several advantages Obama would of had as Hillary's VP.

1) Hillary would of shielded Obama. She was fully vetted and Republicans had noting new to throw at her. Yes Obama has picked up some amour in the past few days but he has been plead with articles that do not get his message out.

2) 8 years to shore up his support amongst Clintonist and women.

3) The Clinton money machine plus his own money machine structure would of made his election in 2016 a shoe in.

4) 8 years for many racists to get use to him as a VP then President or sorry to say it "Pass on".

5) The Democratic Party would have made history twice: the first woman and Black American (I hate the word African-American. My heritage like most Black Americans is mixed with African origins and Native American as well as white. The term African-American dishonors and discounts them.)

6) 16 years of Democratic control of the White House. Biden is a good VP choice for Obama (Actually, he is a weak one. Biden has been a senator longer then I have been alive. Furthermore, Biden is a contradiction to Obama message of "Change we can believe in". Note: When Obama introduced Biden he said, "Biden has worked for change in Washington but have not allowed Washington to change him." How can Obama be the champion of change if others have already done it? Obama/Biden is a oxymoron if was ever one.) Unless Obama changes VP's in 2012,

Biden age means that in 2016. We would have to find a new leader.

7) Obama could have the time to get top-notch foreign policy experience by 2016. He would also have a more diverse as well as new breed of Democrats to choice from as VP.

8) Any and everything about Obama and Michele would be out by 2016. The media would have nothing new to dig up.

9) Even if Hillary screwed up in her 8 years as President, Obama support among Blacks and his own strong speaking skills would allow him to distance himself better then Gore did with Bill.

As a Hillary Clinton supporter, Obama really has not reached out to me as a Democrat or anything else. Yes, I hear from my own people. I should support Obama because he is Black or because of Martin Luther King. One thing about the Democratic convention that really turned me off was how Rev. Jesse Jackson son keep implying how pride King would be at the convention. King said content of one's character not race is important. There are still many things about Obama's content of character that irks me: FIFA, NAFTA, how he always changes his positions, his voting record that does not show "Change we can believe", etc.

I believe Obama will win the election but not with my vote. I am pride to say that am voting third party this year. Go Nader!! Yes, everyone tells me. Nader will not win and that I am wasting my vote.

As a veteran (USMC 1999-2003), my vote belongs to no one. It is my vote. It is not wasted voting for Nader or anyone outside this two party biarchy (akin to monarchy). My vote will stand with others who voted for Frederick Douglas in the Free Soil Party or Susan B. Anthony in the National Women Right to Vote Party. Those individuals vote did matter and did bring attention to the issues: equality of everyone, the right to form unions, health care, public education, etc. The Democracy Party identity today comes entirely from third party platform issues.

My vote toward a third party candidate is to return the Democratic Party and this Democracy as a whole back to its roots. Recent debates have turned on whether a candidate looked at his watch, wore a lapel pin, or saluted the flag. It is a wonder that this nation has not solved a major social problem in the last 40 years. Ironically, it was also the last time that third parties where allowed fully in the elections.

To all my fellow Hillary Clinton supporters, how have been called confused or “the sad irredentists” (Reference: Newsweek article “Review: Hillary Gave Best Speech She could” dated August 27 by Jeremy McCarter) If you care about issues like NAFTA, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), Telecom Immunity, single-payer health care, a living wage, repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act, and others? If the answer is yes, then look at Ralph Nader.