How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

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JL100 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:55:36 GMT

There's not much more to say. It is over. If McCain had any self respect he would drop his adviser's disastrous choice and pick his own VP, and the sooner, the better.

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chrisdafrog — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:05:39 GMT

Explain why Levi Johnston shouldn't be arrested as a pedophile, that's what she needs to do. Does she support pedophilia when it envolves her children? How can she protect the country if she can't protect her own kids from pedophiles?

This is his second child; the first was with a 13 year old girl. Even by Alaskan standards (which are very loose) that is a bit young.

Sick.... really sick... yea, we want her in the White House. Her and her husband are good evangelicals, and typical of the breed. But lets move on to other issues.

Will she support states that wish to secede from the United States, since her and her husband were both in a party pushing to have Alaska secede from the Union?

Will she legalize pot since she smokes it herself?

Will she start supporting unwed mothers, particularly teens so they can finish an education through college?

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chris_smithatl — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:14:02 GMT

Rove, DeLay, Cheney, Libby, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Brown and Palin all belong to the same family. The Republicans need to be held accountable for their MORAL failures in addition to their Economic failures. Democrats and in particular the DNC have been too soft on Republicans.

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mfurey — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:16:11 GMT

The right wing is imploding in a fit of embarrassment and indignation over McCain's cynical pick for VP. Get beyond all the smoke and mirrors - or as Peggy Noonan herself called it "political bulls**t narratives" that they are pushing at the convention (flags, guns, hunters) and look at the substance of what McCain has done here - with very little vetting, he made a political calculation based on changing up the race in a desperate ploy. Is anyone seriously thinking Palin is qualified to lead our nation if McCain dies (as there is a 1 in 3 chance for men his age) at a time when the world is embroiled in so many complicated regional troublespots? We need real change, we need real adults who will deal with foreign powers with intelligence not saber rattling, or worse, ignorance and childish stand offs as has been the case the past two administrations. Get beyond the fluff of tonight's speech and really ask, is this the best they could offer? Is this decision by McCain representative of a man of wisdom and temperate character?

I'm voting for Obama/Biden. I'm scared to think of the consequences of McCain/Palin administration.

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chrisdafrog — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:17:33 GMT

This is his second child; the first was with a 13 year old girl. Even by Alaskan standards (which are very loose) that is a bit young.

Sick.... really sick... yea, we want her in the White House. Her and her husband are good evangelicals, and typical of the breed. But lets move on to other issues.

Will she support states that wish to secede from the United States, since her and her husband were both in a party pushing to have Alaska secede from the Union?

Will she legalize pot since she smokes it herself?

Will she start supporting unwed mothers, particularly teens so they can finish an education through college?

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Alamerica — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:31:06 GMT

Palin's decision to give birth to a Down-syndrome child was a crime; she not only trapped a human soul into life-long jail, but also drained valuable resources from the society. Her daughter's hormone-driven sex with wild boys was a violation to the Bible. McCain's decision to nominate Palin shows that this old man can no longer distinguish black from while. Is God damning America?

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jefflz — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:42:36 GMT

McCain has made a mockery out of the electoral process by choosing Palin. She is not qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. and McCain is counting on the Rove spin doctors to create an acceptable image. The fact is we hardly know her and what we know is disturbing. She is a creationist, anti-environment, denier of global warming, pro-gun, hard core evangelical who fired a city librarian for resisting censorship. She is a double-talker who fought for huge earmarks for her tiny town. She appointed a man convicted of sexual harassment to be in charge of Public Security. She is a hypocrite who attacked Hillary as a whiner and now wants to ride Clinton’s coat tails. McCain is not putting his “Country First”-her candidacy has derailed the electoral process since accepting or rejecting her has become the election itself - and McCsin has forfeited.

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Loden Green — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:56:38 GMT

The GOP is desperately trying to "package" Palin as some fresh, new conservative. In reality, she represents everything that is distasteful about the "old" GOP.

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Johnsonium — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:58:28 GMT

Palin will kill some moderate and independent votes. McCain made a big mistake. The Democrats should just let the McCain express go off the tracks on its own. Does McCain have a masochistic streak?

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timrogers — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:01:06 GMT

I agree that Gov. Palin will help Sen. McCain a little bit with evangelicals , who were going to vote for him anyway, and hurt with everyone else. As her extreme positions on abortion , her less than pristine activities as governor, and her creationist leanings are revealed in more detail; her popularity will fade to Bushlike levels. Sen. McCain has always captured the moderate Republican vote easily. But moderate Republicans are a distinct minority in their own party. To appeal to moderate independents, McCain needs more than a hard core, female, religious conservative with a nice smile, a cute family and those prized small town values. Right wing women are just as determined as right wing men to force their beliefs into the law. Gov. Palin marches with the true believers who want their god's will enforced on heathen America.

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Spacer — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:06:23 GMT

People should know what leading Republicans REALLY think about McCain's stupid choice of Palen when they think the microphone is off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

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KaceyPA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:18:59 GMT

There is something that has been overlooked in this debate over McCains' judgment and motives in picking Sarah Palin for his running mate. That is Sarah Palin's decision, herself, to ACCEPT the nomination. If I were to look around this country and world today and see all the very serious problems we all face I would have to be really sure that I could get the job done before I would ACCEPT the offer. Palin must be either an egomaniac or not fully appreciate the real and very hard issues that will have to be dealt with on the day after Inaugaration Day should McCain catch a bad cold the day before. Does she really think she is qualified? She didnt even have a passport until 2007 yet she feels that she is ready to lead the Free World in 5 months time? She admitted to not knowing what the VP job was a short time ago and now she is ready to take it? There seems to be no shortage of bad judgment going around at the top of the Republicans National Ticket and it isnt all McCain's.

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Alaskan and Proud of it — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:22:01 GMT

When will those who know NOTHING about Alaska quit with the personal "bulls**t narratives" that they all spew so freely and with so much ignorance. Educate yourselves, people, rather than "talk trash" about a state you know nothing about... the small-minded opinions of those who have not done their homework and speak "off the cuff" just do not do justice to this great state and do not reflect the true nature, values and lifestyle of those of us who are proud to call this great state our home. Maybe now, with all the media attention, the "Lower 48" (as you all are referred to by Alaskans) will finally realize where we are on the world globe... and no, we are not "overseas"... and everytime you see the initials "AK" you can FINALLY know that it stands for ALASKA - NOT Arkansas!!!

And regarding the McCain/Palin ticket... the truth of the matter is, regardless of all the analysts and campaigning and all the strategies that play out, people will vote for who they feel will BEST serve the country based upon what issues are important to them and who they feel they can TRUST. I will be voting the McCain/Palin ticket because they represent what I value most, NOT because I think they are perfect and without flaw. And even though I consider myself a Republican it does not mean that I have no interest in the environment or healthcare.

It is obvious that there are different party platforms but it seems like the Democrats focus on whatever is divisive and all you hear is alot of back-stabbing, overly critical fault-finding mentality that surfaces everytime you mention party agendas. It's narrow-minded and immature, just like highschool. We don't have to fully agree with the other side but wouldn't it be in the best interest of our nation to STOP all the party bashing and negative commentary which spills over into full out verbal assault and focus on what we CAN DO to better understand our differences and work together to make things happen! In this area, I think Sarah Palin would excel as she is not only intelligent, but very personable and down to earth. Although I generally vote Republican because my values are more traditional and conservative, I can fully respect those of BOTH parties who conduct themselves with integrity and respect for others, whose main goal is in UNIFYING this country, not DIVIDING it... perhaps the Democrats would do well to focus on that.

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NotFooledByDistractions — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:30:02 GMT

I believe it will hurt him with every group outside the evangelical base.

My 77 year old mother has been voting republican since she was 18 years old. Today she told me that she will be voting for Barack Obama. She was insulted by the Palin pick. She saw it as condescending - she also felt her views on abortion were too extreme, and that she was no friend to womens issues. If Palins selection will sway a solid republican like my mom, I can't help but think it's happening to others. I think the polling is starting to show it, and will continue to do so.

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krotten1 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:32:22 GMT

Palin will seriously hurt McCain with moderates because of her extreme right stance and they are, once again, going to the Social Issues Well. That is so played out. People are looking for answers, not arguments.

And, Dear Alaskan and Proud,

You should be. It's a beautiful state. But this is not in the least bit about Alaska; it's about leadership.

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KaceyPA — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:34:05 GMT

"Alaskan and Proud of it" .. there are many personable, intelligent and down to earth people in this country ... Sarah Palin may be one ... but that alone does not remotely qualify her to run the biggest country in the world at one of the most crucial times in its history. It takes a heck of a lot more than that. You need ideas, conviction, strength, ability, knowledge of history and current events, education and on and on. Listen to what these longtime Republican supporters are saying in this YouTube clip ... McCain is the one who abandoned the cause of understanding and bridging differences and went for a "cynical" choice that was based more on the "narrative" than her true ability to effectively hold, arguably, the most important job in the world. It is your own party that is throwing the most damning darts at the selection and not the "opposition".

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nnelson1@insight.rr.com — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:34:19 GMT

I think McCain made a big mistake. I would describe myself as a moderate with Republican leanings (I've never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate) I wasn't thrilled about voting for McCain, but now with his VP choice, I can't vote for him. I am not sure who I am going to vote for, but it's not McCain and it's not Obama. If McCain can't get my vote, he is in trouble. Did he really think he would have lost the far right wingers if he had picked Lieberman or some other moderate?

The Republican party needs to start over. First and foremost, I want to see a smaller, more efficient government and all the excessive spending needs to stop. Let's get that fixed first, and then we can work on some of the second tier issues (abortion, separation of church and state, etc)

The Democrats and Republicans both had their chances to clean things up and both dropped the ball. I'm ready to throw the ball to a third party. There is no downside risk, I can't imagine anyone being capable of screwing things up more than they are now.

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tamper44 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:34:47 GMT

From a Republican point of view, I think Governor Palin would have been a great veep if she didn't carry all the baggage that she has with her. She has a sick kid that needs to be taking care of. She has a pregnant teenager whose body is changing every minute of the day and who requires more attention than anything else that Pa;in engulf herself with. I am a woman and I speak for all women including democrats and republicans. Palin may be painting herself as a role model for women, I don't think so because she could not manage her own family. She got carried away by her career and allow her barely 17 year teenager to get pregnant. She is a good executive officer who could not execute her own household. Besides she called Hilliary Clinton a winner. How could she? She is not only hurting Senator McCain, she is hurting women in general. She neglects her duty as the great executor and mother by neglecting to manage her own family. She is not my role model. Sorry McCain. The guy with the funny name is winning your election by a land slide. It is not too late if you denounce Palin's appointment today and choose Governor MCromny.

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marksgershenson — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:35:30 GMT

Quayle in a ponytale

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krotten1 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:35:40 GMT

"Explain why Levi Johnston shouldn't be arrested as a pedophile, that's what she needs to do"

Are you nuts? He's a kid, too. They go to school together. How can he be a pedophile? Get a grip.

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:36:15 GMT

THIS IS WHAT HER BOYFRIEND SAID... ENJOY!

I'm a f---kin' redneck who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s---t and just f---kin' chillin' I guess. Ya f---k with me I'll kick ass."

Status: "In a relationship."

Children: "I don't want kids

Typical republicans... and you want them to run the counrty??

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:36:51 GMT

THIS IS WHAT HER BOYFRIEND SAID... ENJOY!

Status: "In a relationship."

Children: "I don't want kids

Typical republicans... and you want them to run the counrty??

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skeptic67 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:37:42 GMT

Sarah Palin is Dan Quayle with boobs. And stupid glasses. And whore-ish hair. And without the command of spelling.

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mccainsupporter — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:39:33 GMT

John McCain picked Governor Sarah Palin because he intends to follow through and make his Project Lexington for United States energy independence the dominant issue in this campaign. Governor Sarah Palin is a strong supporter of increased offshore drilling and she knows that Alaska has an offshore coastline greater than the rest of the country combined and is also comes in second among the states in oil production. Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and John McCain understand that Obama and the Democrats would never consider government loan guarantees or tax breaks for a sure thing that will produce energy for the American gas tank. In fact Democrats are trying to put together a so-called windfall profits tax which will have the effect of discouraging future investment in the United States oil industry. John McCain also knows that Governor Sarah Palin family situation also illustrates that longterm Democratic leadership hostility and policies toward United States owned energy companies have caused our current energy crisis. Her husband who works for British Petroleum should be working for the former American owned Arco Oil Company. Arco Oil Company developed and explored the Alaska North Slope and formerly owned eighty percent of our proven Alaskan reserves. With its substantial oil reserves Arco Oil Company should have bought British Petroleum instead of British Petroleum buying out Arco Oil Company during the second Bill Clinton administration. With the right business environment and support from both political parties in the United States, Arco Oil Company might have been more successful and been able to buy out British Petroleum instead of British Petroleum buying out Arco Oil Company. Look at Apple Computer and Microsoft. Their success in the computer world have made them bullet proof to corporate takeovers. Longterm Democratic hostility and opposition to offshore drilling and periodic talk of windfall profits taxes contributed to the takeover of Arco Oil Company.

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mccainsupporter — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:42:19 GMT

John McCain picked Governor Sarah Palin because he intends to follow through and make his Project Lexington for United States energy independence the chief dominant issue in this campaign. Governor Sarah Palin is a strong supporter of increased offshore drilling and she knows that Alaska has an offshore coastline greater than the rest of the country combined and is also comes in second among the states in oil production. Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and John McCain understand that Obama and the Democrats would never consider government loan guarantees or tax breaks for a sure thing that will produce energy for the American gas tank. In fact Democrats are trying to put together a so-called windfall profits tax which will have the effect of discouraging future investment in the United States oil industry. Democrat loan guarantees and earmarks are only reserved for off the wall improbable future technologies such as hydrogen power that offer no short term chance of solution for our energy problems. Democratic disdain for energy production by US companies is evident with the current ownership of former US energy companies. Is it any surprise that the jewell Arco Oil Company which owned 80 percent of our Alaska Oil Reserves was bought out by British Petroleum Corporation at the end of the second administration of Bill Clinton due to the hostile Democratic attitude toward energy companies. Under the proper business environment and with the support of both parties, Arco Oil Company should have taken over British Petroleum instead of British Petroleum taking over Arco Oil Company. It is no accident that the largest US builder of nuclear power plants, Westinghouse Nuclear Power Construction Division was bought out by Toshiba Corporation of Japan. While 80 percent of France electricity is generated by nuclear power, only twenty percent in the US is generated due to the successful efforts of Democratic party to kill the US nuclear power industry. Significantly, nuclear power is not considered a mainstay of Democratic plans to address our energy crisis. There is also a worldwide shortage and backlog of orders for oil drilling platforms and oil drilling ships but US shipyards are not building these ships. Only one percent of the world's commercial ships are built in US shipyards. Hold your breath for the Democratic outcry and push for government help to US ship builders to build oil drilling ships in the US.

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murphyeg — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:42:39 GMT

Sarah Palin will ruin McCain for moderates. On top of everything else, when Sarah Palin was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to ban books from the public library. When the librarian resisted, she tried to fire her. It would frighten me to have such an extremist a heartbeat from the Presidency.

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mccainsupporter — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:43:37 GMT

I think Sarah Palin is a wonderful pick for vice President. She demostrates that longterm Democratic policies have caused our current energy crisis. Her husband who works for British Petroleum should be working for the former American owned Arco Oil Company. Arco Oil Company with its substantial oil reserves should have bought British Petroleum instead of British Petroleum buying out Arco Oil Company. Barack Obama complained at his acceptance speech in Denver about oil company tax breaks and praised the alleged jobs created under the administration of Bill Clinton. The following story should shed light on Obama’s praise of the economic policies of Bill Clinton. While camping and attending a bluegrass music festival, I took a tour of Comanche Peak Power Plant, the last nuclear power plant built in the United States. The plant is unobtrusive and is at perfect harmony with its environment. It is located near Glen Rose Texas a beautiful area that has bluegrass band festivals in the summer. It is a wonderful scenic country area and home to Dinosaur World and a state park. There are dinosaur tracks from 100 million years ago along the riverbed that can be seen in the water due to erosion and some say that the tracks are heading in the direction of New York City. The Brazos River flows through the area and the place is an environmental heaven. There used to be an old green Sinclair Oil Company dinasour statue that stood at the park. Ironically most of the stations and assets of Sinclair Oil Company was bought by Arco Oil Company. Arco Oil Company was considered the jewell of all American oil companies for having explored and developed the Alaskan North Slope and at one time owning eighty percent of our proven Alaskan oil reserves. Arco Oil Company was subsequently bought out later by foreign owned British Petroleum during the second administration of Bill Clinton. The point of this comment is twofold. The long-term hostility of the Democratic Party leadership toward United States owned energy companies has led to the sale of United States oil companies to foreign interests and that nuclear power plants can even be located next to wonderful wildlife and park areas and make good unobtrusive neighbors. Arco Oil Company with its substantial Alaskan oil reserves should have bought out British Petroleum instead of the other way around. Comanche Peak in Glen Rose the last nuclear power plant built in the United States symbolizes the death of the American owned nuclear power industry and the decline of United States owned oil companies due to the hostile business environment created by Democratic Party leadership. Sinclair Oil Company and Arco Oil no longer exist, British Petroleum has replaced them under the second Democratic administration of Bill Clinton.

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mccainsupporter — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:44:37 GMT

Democrats talk at the Denver convention about creating and keeping American jobs. Ironically the building that housed the largest research and development division of Arco Oil Company in Texas was sold by British Petroleum to Perot Systems and now serves as its headquarters. Perot Systems was founded by Ross Perot who previously created EDS Electronic Data Systems and who most importantly has been credited with throwing the 1992 Presidential election to Bill Clinton by drawing off many independent voters who would have voted Republican for George Bush senior. Perot Systems derives a significant amount of its business from state and federal contracts. A building that used to house American engineers, geologists, scientists, logistics people and ordinary employees who worked for an American owned oil company that strived to fill the gas tank for the average American now houses a company that focuses on giving computer support on state and the federal government social service contracts. This is the Democratic Party version of a success story. Outsourced government work under Bill Clinton replaces a former American owned world admired jewell of the oil industry that had provided gas for the American gas tank and many good American jobs for many years. So if you need reasonably price gas for your car, contact Bill Clinton and Perot Systems and ask them to give you a gallon of gas. This is the Democratic version of a success story, outsourced government work replacing a real American owned company that produced a real needed product at a reasonable price for the average American household.

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:45:28 GMT

Excuse me... do I feel bigotry in your comment?? or even rascisum. oh and I bet you are a good christian... Obama is a beautiful name and barack is even prettier.. And let's not talk about his intelligence.. Sorry, but when it come to intelligence, common sense, judgement, and competence, Barack Obama is on the pedestal while MC Cain is on the ground! Now if all you care about is the name of the candidate, it does not show much intelligence on your part... What is you name??

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mccainsupporter — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:45:43 GMT

Sarah Palin is a wonderful pick for vice President. Both John McCain and Alaska Governor Sarah Palin realize that the Democrats under the leadership of Barack Obama want to effectively give away in trust our offshore exclusive economic zone by standing in the way of any current offshore development. Under the 1982 United Nations Law of the Seas Convention the US has an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and mineral seabed rights up to 350 nautical miles extending along the Continental shelf. A nautical mile is 6080 feet so our exclusive economic zone extends about 240 miles and mineral seabed rights extend 420 miles. The US has the world's largest offshore exclusive economic zone totaling 4.4 million square miles. In comparison, the total land area of the United States is only 3.4 million square miles. On the East coast alone, if you drive from Key West Florida to Bangor Maine it is 2000 miles. Multiply the 2000 miles by mineral seabed rights extending out 420 miles results in a total of 840,000 square miles of ocean acreage. Because we have the world's largest offshore coastline which is twenty-eight percent greater than our land area, it only makes simple common sense that we exploit our offshore resources to achieve our energy independence.

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buckeye0013 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:46:32 GMT

I am a moderate Republican. My first election was 2000, and I loved McCain. I had no doubt that I would vote for McCain after Super Tuesday. Today, I am pretty sure I am going to do everything in my power to make sure he and Palin do not win this November. McCain made a terrible choice, he could have picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Condi Rice or even an outsider like the CEO of HP if he wanted a woman on the ticket.

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Jenn C — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:49:49 GMT

Im a 32 year old woman who since having the right to vote, has never been real excited about any ticket I vote for. I voted for Clinton in '96, Gore in 2000, and Bush in 2004. I'm probably one of those swing voters that everyone likes to talk about and that everyone lised to decide what I beleive.

According to some comments on blogs as a woman, i should be turned off by the idea that a leader of this country could possibly think that abortion is killing a baby and should be outlawed. As a person holding a Master's Degree from a public university, I should be outraged by the mere idea that creation should be taught in schools. And as a human, I should stand against the forces of evil who want to destroy the environment by dirlling for oil.

But in reality, I was turned off by Obama long ago. McCain was probably going to get my vote as long as he didn't choose one of the four people everyone thought was on his short list. I was definitely not excited about the ticket or voting this year. Then enter Palin who immediately energized me and got me excited about this race.

I think she made the right choice allowing a person to live, and not seing her son as an imposition or inconveniece. I'm proud of her support of her daughter who is now going to have to learn some hard lessons. But most of all I look at Sarah Palin and I see a woman who walks her talk. I see a woman who has the guts to stand up for what she believes even though it's not a popular opnion.

Does her pick solidify the Republican base? I think it does. My understanding is that the base wasn't ever real happy with McCain, they were kind of stuck with him. Palin is going to make sure they come to the polls on November 4. And I think she will have a lot of pull with some of the more moderate conservative women who believe that life begins at conception. SHe's also going to appeal to women who have ever had family crisis. Understanding the struggles of a family, like the one I came from or I hope to have someday, is something that years in congress or even Harvard Law School can't touch. With enough time, she can learn about foreign policies, but I don't know that anyone else running on the national tickets will be able to learn the lessons she has about being an American.

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:50:27 GMT

Oh and I forgot, not only MC Cain is not intelligent, he is mentally unstable... Ever heard of his rages when someone does not agree with him?? What do you think if other countries would not agree with his policies, do you think he would push on the red button?? You bet he would, and not only that, but he would round up every kids in this country and ship them to Iraq or Iran!! You better think twice, because if a country like russia or china gets mad, you will be seing nuclear bombs fall on this country....

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:53:16 GMT

buckeye001

Tell me again you love MC cain after reading this!

That is correct R.Donald Snyder We are a Military Family and here is what McCain did to his own men.

McCain votes AGAINST our combat troops ... 5/2008: McCain voted AGAINST the Webb GI Bill. 9/2007: McCain voted AGAINST bill to minimize periods of time between deployment of units sent to Iraq.

5/2006: McCain voted AGAINST $20 Million to VA for health care facilities. 4/2006: McCain voted AGAINST $430,000,000 to VA for Medical Services. 3/2006: McCain voted AGAINST increasing Vet-medical services $1.5 billion in FY2007.

3/2004: McCain voted AGAINST increasing Vet-medical care by $1.8 billion. 10/2003:

McCain voted to TABLE an amendment for $322,000,000 for safety equipment for USforces. "Table"= vote never hits floor.

10/2003: McCain voted to TABLE a vote for $1 Billion for National Guard and Reserve Equipment in Iraq dueto:shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, & tactical vests. Here's your test MSM -- will YOU all inform the viewers/voters of McCain's ANTI-MILITARY voting record? c. proffit, Lexington, Ky. (Sent Friday, July 18, 2008 4:08

allright Linda, what you can do if you have time is copy, paste and put this on all forums all over the internet... don't forget to copy, paste Obama's record too :) Well it looks like you have some work ahead of you, but maybe, some would like to help!

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:55:54 GMT

That is correct R.Donald Snyder We are a Military Family and here is what McCain did to his own men.

: buckeye0013

Tell me again how much you love MC Cain after reading this!!! MC Cain does not give a d a m n about the kids who are getting killed in Iraq!!

McCain votes AGAINST our combat troops ... 5/2008: McCain voted AGAINST the Webb GI Bill. 9/2007: McCain voted AGAINST bill to minimize periods of time between deployment of units sent to Iraq.

3/2004: McCain voted AGAINST increasing Vet-medical care by $1.8 billion. 10/2003:

McCain voted to TABLE an amendment for $322,000,000 for safety equipment for USforces. "Table"= vote never hits floor. 10/2003: McCain voted to TABLE a vote for $1 Billion for National Guard and Reserve Equipment in Iraq dueto:shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, & tactical vests. Here's your test MSM -- will YOU all inform the viewers/voters of McCain's ANTI-MILITARY voting record? c. proffit, Lexington, Ky. (Sent Friday, July 18, 2008 4:08

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:02:26 GMT

: Jenn

Obviously you want 4 more years of Bush!! This woman does not have any qualification to be vice president!!!!! Do you understand english???? She has no record!! and no experience!!!

Are you nuts??

Do i have to post Barack Obama's record again??? I am a white american/european citizen, no one in europe wants to see MC Cain running this country... the guy has mental problem du to the time he spent as a prisonner.. the guy is dangerous... He will restore the draft!! are you ready to go fight in the middle east?????

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garychildress — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:04:22 GMT

I am also a moderate Republican. I like McCain but I disagree with him on some issues. But I would vote for him. I think Obama would make a fine President as well. I was on the fence. Until this stupidity happened. Now I am going for Obama.

For the last 8 years, issues of extreme importance to this country have languished. And a Republican administration has plunged this nation into an unbelievable amount of debt. All because Bush got a pass from the religious nut cases that would ruin this country over the two issues of abortion and gay marriage.

I thought we were finally beyond that with this election and could get back to the business of good governing and maybe making some progress in this country.

But I was wrong.

My own party has completely blown these last 8. They have failed to stand up for the American People on every important issue and would rather wallow in the pig sty that is the far right and their desire to run the lives of every American.

The Republican are a disgrace.

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wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:04:45 GMT

Jenn... Barack Obama is the only one fit to run this country!!

COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS:

Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

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As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa.

In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the 'Honest Leadership and Open Government Act', which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections. Obama also introduced the 'Iraq War De-Escalation Act', a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs. joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said 'shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.

**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006

is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction. Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.

Linda, you need to separate your texts other wise it become too confusing for those poor republican minds

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

wildlifeusa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:12:23 GMT

Jenn...

WHO CARE ABOUT THE DECISION SHE MADE ABOUT HER DAUGHTER, IS IT IMPACTING YOUR LIFE???

YOU SEE, THOSE PEOPLE MANIPULATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WITH THIS KIND OF B... S BECAUSE THE KNOW THAT MOST AMERICANS ARE NON THINKERS AND STUPID, AND YOU FALL RIGHT IN THEIR TRAPPE!!!! THIS IS WHAT THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT WING DOES, IT IS HOW THEY GET THEIR VOTES, BECAUSE YOU LIKE SO MANY HAVE LOST COMMON SENSE!!

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

tallfunguy73145 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:24:19 GMT

Any last minute, controversial vice presidential pick, man or woman, republican or democrat would have gotten and should get the same scrutiny from the media. Thank god that still exists in journalism. It is their job. Just imagine how much the republicans would be going after the VP pick if the situation were reversed and she was a democrat! Even scarier perhaps than the extremist views of Palin are the extremist right wingers coming out of the woodwork in blogs like this with their ideas that are 50 to 200 years behind the times and the reality of the world. I thought this would be the ugliest election of all time, and now it is becoming a living nightmare. The republicans are doing everything they can to distract and frighten us away from the reality of their horrible track record. It is time for that great tradition in American politics-throw the bums out!

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

eragon314 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:30:11 GMT

Peggy Noonan admitted it. Now you admit it. Palin is just Harriet Miers with breasts.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

tallfunguy73145 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:48:43 GMT

I am now about 60 years old, and see a disturbing trend over the decades. The republican party and the whole country moving slowly at times, but inexorably more and more to the political right. The logical extension of the trend of moving to the right is ultimately FASCISM! It could happen here! There is a real possibility that the USA will have a flirtation (or worse) with fascism as a number of countries with hard-working people like us have done in the past. The republicans increasingly beat the drums of nationalism. It is a short trip from rabid nationalism to fascism or the extreme left. The logical extension of the extreme left has been communism. We are in little danger of tipping that way, but in significant danger of tipping to the fascist extreme. Either extreme would be a true disaster to America and the world. Currently we need to resist the right before we reach a tipping point.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

DallasGal — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:53:23 GMT

If Palin was old or unattractive, we wouldn't be having these discussion. You are right there is a double standard for women. It isn't good enough to be smart, you have to be attractive. Because she is a mommy, she should have her kids protected. I don't remember any of the comments of outrage when people criticized Chelsea Clinton, and called her ugly. If she uses family values as her platform, her family record is fair game. Now we have McCain telling us she is "off limits", what is that all about. Possibly if she had been fully vetted, people wouldn't have so many questions. And for Guiliani, I wonder what makes him the expert on what Obama has done or not done, especially in comparison to a woman the world knows little about and what we do know is not very compelling. I would love one day for a woman to be in the White House; but, I will wait until one is nominated for her character, brains, experience and ability.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

Galasso — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:06:51 GMT

After having seen Palin's speech, wonder if MSNBC's Keith Olbermann will be led away in a straight jacket when McCain wins? Da' boy looks like he's almost there.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

tallfunguy73145 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:09:01 GMT

My thoughts about a possible fascist America seem extreme? Search the internet about Karl Rove (my favorite American fascist) and his master plan for a "one-party" America. The Karl Rove strategy has been and is currently the republican playbook. What do you think the republican religious right would do if they got into real power with a perceived mandate? Would they tolerate freedoms and diversity? They already think they have a mandate from God, just like extreme jihadists. An important part of the shift to the far right has started with the recent US supreme court appointments and would continue with appointment of far-right judges who would sit for decades if the republicans win. There is much more at stake here than if you are intending to vote republican believing the nonsense that they can make us more secure or your candidate lost in the primaries. Support Obama!

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

spikeaus — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:43:23 GMT

Moderates will see Palin's affiliation with Big Oil as a threat, not her socially conservative politics. Sarah Palin was chair for the Alaska Energy and Conservation Board in 2003-2004. She's in bed with the energy companies and big business and that means she's bad for our bank accouts. That is what the moderates will figure out.... eventually.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

spikeaus — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:46:52 GMT

I guess Obama is running against Palin now, right? That other guy, I think McCain was his name, seems to be the man behind the woman. Guess he couldn't stand on his own against Obama?

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

hoop — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:44:42 GMT

Sen. McCain's choice of Gov. Palin for VP has shown that he will bow to political pressure rather than stand up for his own beliefs. It's been reported that Sen. Lieberman was his choice for VP until the party machine told him otherwise. In contrast, Sen. Obama stood up to the Clintonites and chose Sen. Biden for VP instead of Sen. Clinton.

How can Sen. McCain fight for change when he can't even get his choice for VP?

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

JoanR — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:25:49 GMT

Are these the moderates who have been able to stomach Wright and Ayers and their protege Obama that you are referring to? You wish.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

katbunny — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:45:56 GMT

Posted By: JoanR (September 4, 2008 at 12:25 PM)

Are these the moderates who have been able to stomach Wright and Ayers and their protege Obama that you are referring to? You wish.

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NO. It's moderates like me and my husband who decided last night that we will not

be used again by the MCBush trash this time. We will be voting for OBAMA !

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

kaetc — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:08:46 GMT

I have voted Republican all my life, but not this time. I was already doubting McCain because I think he is a hard-headed elitist who doesn't care two pins about "people" and he would send us into harms way too fast because of his quick temper. But when he chose "the pit-bull in lipstick" that decided it for me. As a first term Govenor, she should feel her responsibility to the peolple she made promises to to get elected, she hasn't completed her task. And a mighty task it is, Alaska has more corruption than most states. If she doesn't honor her promises in Alaska, what makes you think she will honor any other pledge she makes? Would you really want her to be president if something happens to McCain??? Not me.

As for McCain, he's a solider, he follows orders well, but from what I've seen he doesn't lead well. I am sick to death of Karl Rove, Phil Graham and their tactics. I don't think McCain has what it takes to overpower them. Republicans have done a terrible job, I will not reward them for failure by supporting them again...this ticket is just the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.

I'm tired of it- ENOUGH!!!!

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

gary goldbladt — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:21:59 GMT

Speaking of Ayers, please prove that Palin wasn't a member of the Alaska Independence Party, My source, alternet.org, say she was. By choosing a secessionist to be McCains successor, the leadership of the Republican Party has placed their allegiance to our country in question. I would like to believe this isn't true. So, correct me if my source is incorrect.

re: How Palin Could Hurt McCain with Moderates

cooday — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:54:36 GMT

We have always Respected and Honored McCain’s service to this country. But we know who is spinning the message Schmidt and Rove known as the guys that brought us two George W. Bush terms and now they want to sell us a third Bush term.

McCain called for an end to the“constant partisan rancor”. Yet his campaign ads have attacked American Artists by attempting to brand them as just celebrities. Barack Obama is like Ronald Reagan when it comes to support of the Talented Artists of their time. Obama’s message rings of a “Beautiful day coming to America” which is similar to Reagan’s “Its morning in america again”.

McCain’s campaign has gone after the media who are asking the important questions that help keep the voters informed about the contrasts between the Democrat and Republican Parties in the most important election of our times. So far McCain's soul mate is refusing take questions about the issues from mainstream reporters.

When McCain says the last weeks of this campaign will be hard fought, nothing personally, just the nature of the business we know what McCain, Schmidt and Rove are saying – more negative attacks, more slash and burn tactics. When McCain says “Change is coming,” to Washington DC – The voters look at the Schmidt, Rove and Fox News attacking and we know what is coming – A Pit Bull? Avoid The Pit Bull with Lip Stick when The Pit Bull attacks. Who says we must fight on their turf? Let them come to ours. This race is still Obama/Biden vs McCain/Bush.

Common sense now says that its Obama/Biden who can end the “constant partisan rancor” in Washington DC.

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