Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Politicswithagrin — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:59:00 GMT

In the Dos Caras ad, Obama is guilty of all the same things Joe Klein accused Obama of. I've been disappointed in the way McCain has conducted his campaign -- or had it conducted for him -- and for awhile I thought Obama might take the high road. I really thought that the two of them might be able to elevate political discourse. Too idealistic, I suppose.

http://www.politicswithagrin.blogspot.com/

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

orion12 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:19:57 GMT

This is a good analysis. It points out how Obama slips from the real truth in some cases. All said it is not as bad as McCain's. I must say that it is inevitable to play it very factual and get to win, given McCain's approach. For those who have been criticizing Obama for not hitting back this will make them smile.

This election has got to a stage where I think Obama must hit below the belt too. If he does not he is a gonna. See Palin thrash Obama and then when she is thrashed she puts up the "woman" defence. As far as McCain goes he just lies. Period. And shamelessly. I think that Obama has to measure how he hits but he must do it. For the time being, I am ok with his approach. He is staying with the issues but demoralizing the other camp with measured attacks. Too bad that is the way politics work. Had it being up to Obama alone there would have been none of this attacks. Now he has no choice. Taking the high road will lead to his defeat.

But keep pointing out the flaws in these ads as it keeps the campaigns sane and informs the public.

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mcleodmn — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:40:07 GMT

McCain left him with no choice. I have to give Obama credit, he stayed above the fray for a lot longer than I could have.

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maq1 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:42:03 GMT

This country was founded by individuals calling the public at large toward a higher calling, toward serving their better angels. But despite the importance of principals to our founders, they understood that these principals must be put into play in a realist world where tactics were dirty and stakes are high. A fight may be inevitable. But it should be the LAST RESORT, and it should not be revelled. Our founders saw war with Britain to be a last resort. Abraham Lincoln saw was against the South to be a very last resort. We entered WWII only after being attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor. It was a last resort. George Bush and John McCain's war in Iraq was NOT a last resort. His desire to make this a dirty campaign is not a last resort - its a targeted strategy to spread mistruths. Objective watchers everywhere can see that.

Barack Obama knew that the Iraq War was the wrong call. He has worked to keep his campaign clean (for instance, there is no mention at all by his campaign of the many personal and ethical scandals of John McCain's past). Obama is running a new kind of campaign, even if McCain doesnt appreciate it, even if McCain resorts to lies at every pass.

Nevertheless, the fight will come and Obama will hit back. And when he does, his political opponents will revel in the fact that he's been dragged into the dirt. But when its done, Obama will be appreciated for doing whats right, and he'll wash away the dirt McCain and the Republicans have thrown at him.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

vstillwell — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:46:46 GMT

Taking pitty on Limbaugh because his comments were taken out of context on immigration in those circumstances is like taking pitty on the KKK because someone says some of its ideas were taken out of context. Limbaugh's a bigot. We all know it. As far as McCain goes, he has to kiss Limbaugh's and every other rightwing nutjob's ass to get elected. They own the Republican party, and most of them are bigots too. Did you watch the convention? Did you see anyone but old white evangelicals there? He had to pick Palin to get their attention and votes. It's a joke. The Republican party is a joke. They're turning America into an economic and sercurity disaster. That party runs campaigns through the sewer. They have been for years. So what if Obama's giving them a taste of their own medicine. Whinners. Go cry to your daddy James Dobson. Maybe he'll pray it away after he's done praying the gay away.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

brooklynkevin — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:47:40 GMT

Wow, you really know how to write a lot of words. I wonder, though, will you ever get to a point that is coherent?

"In other words, neither McCain nor Obama should expect to find a helping hand when he "reaches across the aisle" as president. A clenched fist is more like it."

Oh, that was it? Sorry I didn't catch it the first time. Oh, wow, how dramatic. My 12 year old could have done that.

Oops, sorry, Predictably Enough just isn't, well, enough.

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News and Notes — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:56:05 GMT

Finally Obama is being taken to task for his very subtle yet clearly underhanded campaigning. One needs to go no further than Hillary in Ohio in late February to realize this has been going on, unchecked, for a long, long time. He and his surrogates have been out there with buckets of mud all year long. He reminds me of a younger brother who always provokes his older brother but runs away when there are consequences

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kimberlyp — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:56:59 GMT

The media seems to love to bash McCain. The truth on the change of position on the bail outs is that they should not happen, but due to the fact that centralized systems lead to cascade failures, it had to be done. What we need to do in the future is move toward decentralized systems. We need to favor small business and small government as opposed to big government and big business.

For those that don’t understand why, I suggest you read Lazlo Barabasi, and get a primer and the laws of networks.

It seems to me that no one wants to face the real issues and do something to solve them.

We need fewer taxes on small business and a tax code that favors investment in small business.

The media is doing America a grave disservice. We need to teach Americans the fundamentals of economics. More regulation and a move to greater centralization of business and government make the system inherently riskier to catastrophic failure.

There is no greater threat to the United States than its economic security. We must take action and the republicans talk a good game on the economy, but in the end like the Democrats they tend to do nothing except support big business, and big government.

McCain may or may not change this. He does have a track record of fighting his own party on matters of principle. As unpopular as it is during these times of uncertainty, it is not a time to pile on massive regulation, and to move towards socialism. We need to encourage entrepreneurial activities among the middle class. We need to move from the assembly line big business of the industrial revolution, to the mass customization brought to us by the PC revolution. Manufacturing can move towards the direction of Fabrication labs. This has the potential to shift manufacturing from big companies with singular products, to local manufacturing of multi products.

We need to look at the expense food chain for small business and tech start-ups. We can create co-ops to share high cost equipment for particular industries, thereby lowering the barriers to entry, and lowering the investment capital.

If we take this approach along with enabling investors to accelerate a write off on losses, while taxing them higher for un-invested funds, we can incentivize investment in small business.

The advantage of having lots of smaller entities is that a singular failure then gets absorbed into the competing companies. It is much more robust and would generate wealth creation by and for the middle class.

What I think voters have to ask themselves is who most embraces this philosophy, Obama or McCain?

While Obama says his tax cuts will help 90% of the middle class, I would argue that it does not if they do not have an income due to the penalty on small business with higher investment taxes, higher small business taxes, and greater regulation, which penalizes small business more than big business.

The republicans would do well to remember that we have a bill or rights. The Democrats would be wise to remember that eventually you have to pay for what you purchase, and that a move towards consolidation to larger business and more centralized government makes our nation weaker and more prone to disastrous consequences.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

kyd70 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:57:20 GMT

Obama aired this knowing that the MSM is distracted with the financial crisis. It's under the radar right now and nobody is really paying attention.

Politically, its savvy and wry. Republicans won't really come to McCain's aid because they disliked his idea. (I personally thought it was a GREAT piece of legislation). Hispanics won't be checking factcheck.org en masse to see if this is true.

Nobody was ever convinced that Hussein was a dummy.

Now that the golves are off. I don't want to hear any more whining from the MSM about tone or facts or any other rubbish.

Hussein Obama will deserve what coming. And believe me, the hammer is coming.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

kimberlyp — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:59:16 GMT

For those that don’t understand why, I suggest you read Lazlo Barabasi, and get a primer and the laws of networks.

It seems to me that no one wants to face the real issues and do something to solve them.

We need fewer taxes on small business and a tax code that favors investment in small business.

If we take this approach along with enabling investors to accelerate a write off on losses, while taxing them higher for un-invested funds, we can incentivize investment in small business.

What I think voters have to ask themselves is who most embraces this philosophy, Obama or McCain?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

IWANTTOVOTEIMMEDIATELY — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:02:26 GMT

Obama sat back and allowed McCain to pound him into the ground before responding. As an independent who supports Obama, I found his lack of a response most off putting. However, now that he has started to respond in some way to the malevolent and unprecedented attacks, I am back in his corner and ready again to vote for him.

As for McCain, Maveric, Shmaveric. He said he was different but he is not. He is just as vicious and desperate as we expected that he would be. Yes, he is old and this is his last shot but could he not at least have shown some DOLE like decorum in his final political dance?

It is completely disgusting.

The gloves are off. Punch for Punch. That is the way the Republicans have demanded the campaigns be run and by jove, the Democrats had better gear up and go for their jugular in the same manner.

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careerdaytrader — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:02:51 GMT

Wow I'm proud of you Andrew you are finally doing fair journalism pieces! Amazing!

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vstillwell — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:03:18 GMT

kyd70, where's this "hammer" coming from you moron? Is it coming from you? I bet you can't even pick up a hammer.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Mr.Concinnity — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:16 GMT

While the Obama camp disappoints me (especially having been a believer and supporter from all the way back to '04) with crap like this, I'm not crazy or stupid. An Obama presidency would bring a little dirt and mud with it, but a McCain/Palin presidency (and yes, I said "McCain/Palin" on purpose) would be an iteration of proven-failed and dramatically destructive Republican ideology for another four/eight/twelve(?!) years. That's way more than just dirt. That's rockbottom and the collapse of empire.

Still, though, I wish Obama would stop disappointing me and a lot of other folks like this. I don't think he needs to. There's plenty of idiotic Republican crap to throw in their faces without blurring the line of decency and reality. Keeping pinning that 'Deregulation' badge on McCain's shirt. Keep pinning that 'I don't understand the economy' badge or that 'Iraq War supporter' badge or that 'Appeal Roe v. Wade' badge or that '100 Nuclear Plants from out of nowhere' badge or that 'My wife is a c$%& and it's funny when folks call Hillary a b&%$#' badge, or that 'Irrationally bad temper' badge or that 'Flip flop for your support' badge or that 'Ask me about my POW experience!' badge or -especially- the badge with a picture of the McCain/Bush hug.

People get this stuff. It all adds up. McCain is not the kind of person a rational voter would want in charge of this country. So keep the voters rational by being honest, sincere, and full of gravitas.

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Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:06:26 GMT

I disagree with your overall point. I think our new President, whover that may be, will be met with more cooperation than you anticipate. I think by now the members of Congress are as sick of things not working as we are. They also want to keep their jobs.

You most likely saw 'Primary Colors,' A film in which the lead character (a presidential candidate) and his team had to bite the bullet and 'fudge' a little on their rock solid principals in order to make it to the Whitehouse. The point was that unless they actually GOT there, they'd be able to do no good at all. Someone's gotta win this thing. I'm hoping it's Obama. And if he has to 'fudge' a little for the overall good (so long as his integrity is not irreperably damaged) I'm willing to deal with that.

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Southern Bell — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:08:21 GMT

Are you an idiot? Wait, yes you are, we've already established that.

The Raines ad is not only false, it's racist. If the McCain wanted to tie in Obama with Fannie Mae, they could have used Johnson.

Instead, they chose a black man who had no real ties to Obama (as Raines himself admits) in order to scare white people.

What we have here is the usual "fair and balanced" reporting.That is, after highlighting real offenses on the GOP's part, you have to find something negative to say about the Dems.

The most important thing is that McCain changed his mind on immigration in a craven manner because of the heat he was taking from Limbaugh. So yes, it's fair to equate Limbaugh and McCAin.

During the primaries, when you were going after Hillary Clinton, I predicted your fake love affair with Obama would end as soon as Hillary was out of the race and that you and most of the MSM would once again carry Obama's water.

Posts like this one prove my point.

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oreagano — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:09:18 GMT

vstillwell calls Republicans "nutjobs." A "nutjob" is somebody who is not rational in his/her beliefs or in the analysis of other people's beliefs. Welcome to the club vstillwell and a bunch of others in both the Obama and McCain camps. vstillwell's vitriolic post calling other people hatemongers is irony.

How about we keep the conversation logical and intelligent. This article was just that, and I applaud the author for it.

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Surroundedbyidiots — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:09:39 GMT

ddd

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Akujin — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:10:11 GMT

No more Mr. Nice Liberal.

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suzvoter47 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:10:15 GMT

A note, Yes there have been some swipes in recent days by Obama that seem a unfair. But, as well I believe McCain owns some responsibilty in this. During the GOP convention and afterward the people and ads that slung mud at Obama, were WAY over the top. Does anyone recall the one about sex ed and kindergartens. As an Independant Woman , professionla and mom I have looked at both sides closely since the primaries began and now that McCain is struggling he screams unfair!!! He also did that when he thought Obama had used verbage about "lipstcik" on a pig referencing to Palin of which it was not I watched that campaign sppech too. Than he demanded a apology from the Obama camp.

Im not advocating nasty ads but ads that when checked due add up are fair game. I think that Obama even today after being attacked by McCain in the midst of a economic problem of historical proportion "stayed above the fray". He seems to damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

How about this for a change. Obama and Biden have been quite clear and concise on there plans for this country even now Obama is willing to let some dust settle before putting out hie economic reform package in the light of the finacial crisis, I beleive to allow the people who are in power sort out this mess without distraction that it would add.

I have really yet to hear a clear concise message from McCain except to fire people and lay blame at Obamas feet by bringing up Fannie and Freddie Mac. If Obama brings up the S&L crisis and the Keating five in which McCain ws admosnished by the senate is he attacking? Yet he has not done so.

How can we possibly elect a President that seems to lack any clear understanding and two how can he now all of a sudden after 26 years of being for governement deregulation flip flop AGAIN and say he will change washington, I honestly do not believ he is up to the task of the Presidency I dont belive he has used good judgement, especially in recent days.

I for one am not willing to risk my childrens future and my future on an individual that cannot seem to stay on top of the issues and resorts to the attack/blame/whine when things don't go his way.

Remember he will be getting the 3am call on any crisis Do you feel safe I do not!

Therefore looking at the big picture I believe that Obama/Biden have the counties best interests at heart and I hope that people start using their brains and think because we have way to much to lose. I for one dont want to end up in a bread line and if you dont think it can happen think again!

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pixiepunk — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:10:44 GMT

MSM Alert: You guys are being used by the Obama campaign and used badly! He knows that you guys have a love affair with him and he is using that to his advantage.

I can just see his campaign advisors sitting in a room and figuring out ways they can exploit the media to their advantage which they are currently doing.

Thank you Stumper for finally printing something that shows BOTH sides.

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jsilver2th — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:11:03 GMT

Say don't you realize that McCain has flip flopped on immigration and switched from the Ted Kennedy camp to the Rush Limbaugh camp? McCain now says he would vote against his own immigration bill! Anything to get elected! It's McCain that switched- now they want to have the benefit of their prior position after they changed it?

Also let me ask you which transcript are you relying on unless you speak Spanish yourself? I'd like to see an impartial interpretation...

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Southern Bell — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:11:29 GMT

Make that carry McCain's water.

The only worthwhile thing Newsweek is doing now is covering the Troopergate scandal, which I guess is why Romano now has to defend his dear John.

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WidernessVoice — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:11:38 GMT

One problem is fear among Democrats of another Rovian smear, like the "Swit Boats" scumbags that derailed John Kerry. It is very difficult to not fight back in kind, if the voters are swayed by lies and manipulations. That is what gave us eight years of incompetent Bushies. McCain knows the power us these sleazeballs - they attacked him in 2000 to knock him out of the race. So, he has embraced them as his best chance to capture the White House. Too bad. We all lose in the end (Americans, that is, not Bush cronies!) when we tolerate this behavior. But everyone has to stop at once!

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Rick58 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:13:03 GMT

"Taking pitty (sic) on Limbaugh because his comments were taken out of context on immigration in those circumstances is like taking pitty (sic) on the KKK because someone says some of its ideas were taken out of context. Limbaugh's a bigot. We all know it."

Funny, at least some of Limbaugh's staff are Black. I believe his 'right-hand man' he calls "Snerdley" is Black. Yep, ol' Rush is a bigot all right. Why don't all you libs actually LISTEN to Rush for a few weeks? It would be a very good education.

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Surroundedbyidiots — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:14:37 GMT

As an Obama supporter, I do agree that the Latino ad was a low blow. However, in my gut I believe that he did it out of personal anger. I think he was sick and tired of McCain LYING and SMEARING him and he was having a "take that!! two can play that game!!" moment. People are human and I think there is only so much attacking you can take before you fight back and want a little revenge.

But I think Obama is an honorable man, and I don't believe he will be running too many of these over-the-top ads. But I guess that depends on how nasty McCain gets. Obama wants to win and if he has to fight a little dirty to compete with the Rethugs then he might have to do what he has to do. We can't allow them another 4 years to screw up this country.

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eshuster — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:15:14 GMT

We are starting to see the real Obama, but we still have a ways to go. He is smooth, intelligent, and skilled at speaking; however, at the core he is cunning, egotistical, deceptive, and two-faced. This will all emerge over time - hopefully not when he is in the white house. I'm no great fan of McCain (Romney was my choice and given the events of this week his economic powerhouse background would have been perfect for the American people to select from); however, I will choose McCain over Obama because I'd rather have a predictable entity in the white house than a guy who is hiding who he really is.

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americandefender — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:15:14 GMT

It's funny McCain has been running a sleazy campaign for months so when Obama starts fighting back it's underhanded and sleazy give a break that's what the republican platform stands for.The real issue now is the economy the republicans deregulated the industry so that there was no oversight and these company's were allowed to do anything they wanted till they put our economy in a tailspin.

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pixiepunk — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:15:27 GMT

Obama will be an ineffective president if he is elected. He has no record of working across the aisle for any piece of meaningful legislation. He is a bleeding-heart liberal who will never accomplish anything because he doesn't know how to compromise - he wants everything his way!

As far as the lipstick issue, Obama knew exactly how it would be perceived and used it to his advantage to ridicule Sarah Palin. He has done this consistantly throughout the campaign. He is a very smart man. He loves to throw that crap out there and then deny he meant it that way or blame it on his campaign. He can't take responsibility for anything - nor has he ever admitted that he made a mistake!

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Ingeborg — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:15:38 GMT

Al Gore and John Kerry both tried to run honorable campaigns and were destroyed by the Republican attack machine. Look where that has gotten us. While it hurts me to see the Obama campaign resort to attacks and "truthiness," I think he has to play with the hand that he's been dealt. It's a fact that McCain/Palin/Rove/lobbyists will stop at nothing to win and Obama needs to play hardball. I don't fault him one bit.

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Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:15:42 GMT

Wow. So Limbaugh can't be a racist because he has a black man working for him? With this kind of logic we're in real trouble folks.

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newage_lightbulb — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:24 GMT

It's amazing that McCain is constantly painted as this partisan, lying scumbag, and Obama a saint. Now that people have made enough of a stink over Obama's negative campaigning and lying, ObamaWeek finally has to do something - and aw they just make it so cute! That nice man is finally fighting back, and it's about time! Awwwww!

And FYI, the Swift Boat stuff had nothing to do with Rove or the Republican party. Just like the ads that factually link Obama to a domestic terrorist have nothing to do with Rove or the Republican party. People in this society have the right to free speech, some of them choose to use it.

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Ingeborg — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:57 GMT

@ Rick58

I don't know if Rush is a bigot in real life, but he sure plays one on the radio.

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newage_lightbulb — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:18:05 GMT

Of course this is printed by the same pro-Obama machine that insists he didn't vote for the comprehensive sex ed bill that he did vote for; insists he won't raise taxes when he has said many times he will; insists he is a 'reformer' when he took the second-highest level of money of all people from Fannie Mae (and his party took 57%); who said he wouldn't vote for a bill because - I quote - it "wouldn't allow you to kill a child"; who gives cigarettes to the homeless in exchange for their votes; and on and on and on.

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SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:21:14 GMT

Change we can believe in? LMAO Pathetic is the only word that comes to mind

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bloopfish — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:21:19 GMT

It's time for real change! I strong believe that only Sen. Barack Obama and Joe Biden have the courage to really change the future of our nation. I sometime think back to the difficult times our country has been through and certainly Barack Obama running for president is a great product of the great struggles of the past. The awesome sacrifices endured by our country's greatest heroes. Our great President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and not to forget the Great Cesar Chavez who all made awesome sacrifices so we as a nation could someday live through this historic event in our nations history.

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btorched — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:22:17 GMT

WOW, Go Obama! Just when I thought ALL democrats were spineless! It's about time they started pounding back with smears. Romano, America is sick of Republican lies and smears, have you learned nothing over the last eight years? My God, just look at Wall Street and what the NEOCONS have done with this country. Pretty sad that we have to call on other nations to help bail us out from the GREEDY 2% of this country.

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donnieboy999 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:22:24 GMT

He said this and He said this, she said this and he did that. People you listening to nonscence.

Niether politician has given a clear stance on what then will do for you. Non of the candidates have a real solution to what they will do with the current crisis we real people deal with.

Change, OK Mr OBama what have you offered that every other presidential race has offered but did come through. Tell Me... because so far you havn't said anything but meaningless crap.

Tell Me, what you Mr. McCain what you will do that isn't being done right in your parties administation. What will you do to take care of our crisis in america. Tell Me ....

And why the F@%k are you people letting a political hack comic become a real politician?

Al Frankin .... really, Really.

donnieboy9 Central Texas

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Surroundedbyidiots — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:22:45 GMT

"Funny, at least some of Limbaugh's staff are Black. I believe his 'right-hand man' he calls "Snerdley" is Black. Yep, ol' Rush is a bigot all right. Why don't all you libs actually LISTEN to Rush for a few weeks? It would be a very good education."

So because you have black employees that makes you NOT a racist?!? Oh please! I have worked for a knows racist before. In fact, I ended up being his right hand woman. He was still a racist. He actually had the audacity to make racist jokes in front of me and then say "-------- I hope you are not offended. They're just jokes ha ha." So spare me please. Next thing you'll say is that Rush has some black friends too. Give me a break.

And I have also listened to Limbaugh enough to know he is a racist idiot!

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keeptrying10 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:24:24 GMT

He has no choice. A community activist with no experience isn't the answer. He's also got his angry wife in his ear.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:25:31 GMT

The problem with the 'sex-ed' ad referenced was that McCain camp was trying to paint Obama to be some kind of pervert. It's the whole 'how can you trust this guy' approach. No one bought it.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:27:23 GMT

McCain also has no choice. An angry, out of touch man isn't the answer. He's also got his rich wife in his ear.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

melbee1971 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:27:39 GMT

Who does McCain think he's fooling. He's been one of the number one advocates for deregulation and has taken money from the fat cats responsible for this financial crisis we're in. Now, McCain is suddenly calling to reform the system he has been PAID IN FULL to deregulate?

Where is our faith in the American Worker and HUMAN capital?

As a public high school teacher, the current state of our public institutions reflect our values as a society, from my point of view. We are bailing out these failing institutions with taxpayer dollars while the state of our public school system continues to decline. I ask American voters to consider the following comparison of our institutions: private sector financial powerhouses vs. our public school system.

Good teachers are being laid off and class sizes are growing. No child left behind is a law that requires improvements without the promised funding to implement these improvements. And our schools are listed as "failing schools" because of unrealistic goals from unfunded mandates by the federal government. What is left in our public schools is often a stressed out skeleton staff that does not have the ability to properly educate our students.

Meanwhile, corporate lobbyists effectively secured deregulation and what they consider "optimal" conditions for their financial success (deregulation). And a few well-connected people have lined their pockets with enormous amounts of other peoples' money.

This sort of short-term gain at the expense of long-term growth way of thinking has infected our entire way of running our society. Enough is enough.

Unfortunately middle and lower class young people (the MAJORITY) of our future do not have the money or the resources to hire corporate lobbyists. Their teachers and their schools have very limited resources. Where are the organized efforts to actually support the reform and progress to advance our public schools into the 21st century and educate and prepare our future?

In every other developed and developing country we compare our students' progress with, there is a clear and dedicated effort to improve, fund, and prioritize education. In America, we are starving our schools while bailing out reckless fat cats who've thrived on greed. Is this the American Way? Or have we lost our way?

Imagine where we might be in ten years if only a FRACTION of the billions our federal government has spent on the Iraq war and corporate bailouts were actually INVESTED in making our public schools the most advanced in the world. THAT IS INVESTMENT. We will be "paid back" in our BEST capital resource: Highly Educated American Workers.

Let this be a lesson. Hopefully (as we say in class) we will learn from our mistakes and use our lessons to improve, grow, and succeed - hasn't that been the American Way?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

keeptrying10 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:27:42 GMT

Rush Limbaugh is not a bigot. Just stop with the nonsense. I listenedd to him as early as 1988 for a number of years, but haven't in recent years since I work at home, and he is not racists or a bigot. People who says this have never listened to to him. As usually, the let someone else do their think. Thanks for f ing us by not paying your gift/mortgage dems. Personally, I think blacks are the racists ones. I've listened to their shows too.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

wildlifeusa — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:29:34 GMT

newage_lightbulb

You republicans are so stupid, it is mind boggling ! I think many of you need to check into a mental institution.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:31:59 GMT

Uhhh.... ok. Anyway the point was that you can't establish whether or not someone's a racist by the color of the skin of the people working for them. I don't know Rush Limbaugh personally so I'll leave it at that.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

keeptrying10 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:32:51 GMT

What's funny is that you could NEVER give a quote or replay one thing that rush has said to indicate he is a bigot, racists, etc. I'll send you $100 if you can produce ONE item that shows he's a bigot. I swear I will do it. You can't do it. So, stop wasting space here.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:32:57 GMT

I don't blame you for that wildlife.. I am a Republican, but I'm not stupid enough to vote for John McCain :)

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:33:14 GMT

I don't blame you for that wildlife.. I am a Republican, but I'm not stupid enough to vote for John McCain :)

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

knowthefacts — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:33:23 GMT

McLowblow is just wasting our time with his campaign, he don't nothing, campaign speaks for him, no NEW IDEALS.

McShame, go home and sit down somewhere.

OBAMA/BIDEN 08

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

keeptrying10 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:34:08 GMT

You republicans are so stupid, it is mind boggling ! I think many of you need to check into a mental institution....

No dude, it's you, and you don't even know it. That's what is sad.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:34:30 GMT

Obama, Is this change? Is this what we can expect from you when you're not trying to get a vote? I want change, but not this change. John McCain is the obvious choice if we want change in this country. The ONLY choice we have for true change is Senator John McCain and GOVERNOR Sarah Palin. I'm sick and tired of Obama proving his words are ONLY words. How stupid can people be to vote for this man with 2 faces.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

eszewczyk — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:34:41 GMT

I'm much more interested in McCain's plan to "reform" Social Security, which I fear is the same privatization scam tried time after time by the radical right-wing and thoroughly and properly rejected as a thinly veiled attempt to undermine and destroy the whole system. There's just no comparison between the blatant and deliberate lies foisted on us by the McCain campaign and anything done by Obama. McCain's protests to his "base" are ludicrous, to say the least.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

vstillwell — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:35:31 GMT

Reading some of your comments is hilarious. Someone told me the electorate is dumber than ever. I believe him when I read comments like this: "He's also got his angry wife in his ear" or "Why don't all you libs actually LISTEN to Rush for a few weeks? It would be a very good education" or "Hussein Obama will deserve what coming. And believe me, the hammer is coming". Do the world a favor and spare it from your whacked out thoughts.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

onepoker — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:36:11 GMT

As a MCCain supporter that has criticized many of Andrews Columns I just want to say that this one is right on the mark. Thanks Mr. Romano I appreciate the honesty displayed here.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mcleodmn — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:36:34 GMT

Posted By: Uncle Buck (September 19, 2008 at 2:27 PM)

McCain also has no choice. An angry, out of touch man isn't the answer. He's also got his rich wife in his ear.

Posted By: keeptrying10 (September 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM)

He has no choice. A community activist with no experience isn't the answer. He's also got his angry wife in his ear.

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Hmmmm... Is it possible that Uncle Buck and keeptrying10 are the same person? Nah, of course not. lol

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Dollared — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:38:43 GMT

Andrew, Andrew. Most of the problem is your low expectations. You 've spent your whole life with the Republicans dominating the conversation. You are so used to lying politicians that you won't expect an honorable one.

And you are desperate to make sure that the Democrats are just as bad. Well, aren't they?

Andrew, they are not as bad as Republicans. But that's a hard story to report, and you'd have to be pretty brave to report it, wouldn't you?

Maybe later in your career....

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:39:46 GMT

Wildlifeusa

You democrats are the most ignorant, righteous, moronic, finger pointing, rude, vulgar, insane people I've ever seen. Look at what you psychos did at the Rep convention. I don't remember any Rep anachist at the Dem convention do you? Mental institution? Funny You need to start back where you left off on your education.........Kindergarden.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Spacer — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:40:06 GMT

"While it's true that McCain has voted to retain a long-standing principle of the U.S. tax system that allows companies that keep their profits overseas to defer domestic taxation indefinitely, ..."

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So in other words, what the Obama ad said about McCain favoring tax breaks for companies who shift jobs overseas is absolutely TRUE. As for linking McCain to Limbaugh, they are the two faces of the Reupblican party. The folks who vote for McCain agree with LImbaugh, and McCain has already flip-flopped on immigration to appease the xenophobes that make up the Republican base.

As for regulation, Romano pretends that McCain has been a hard-core deregulator for decades, and had Phil Gram, one of the principal architects of the present economic debacle, as his chief campaign advisor. He ditched Gramm "officially" from his campaign after his "nation of whiners" gaffe, but Gramm is almost certainly advising McCain unofficially and is likely to be McCain's Treasury Secretary if McCain wins. Why should Obama bother mentioning McCain's sudden flip-flop on more regulation, except maybe to ridicule his clueless vacillation?

Sure, Obama's ads are one-sided: HIS side, since he's paying for them. I contributed to Obama's campaign and I'd be absolutely furious if they wasted time and money in their ads giving McCain's side, too. But there's not really much on McCain's side to say, which is why his campaign resorted to nasty character assassination and lies from the very beginning.

Romano is trying to claim there is some moral equivalence between Obama's anti-McCain ads and McCain's vicious lies about Obama's position on sex eduction, his attacks on Obama's patriotism and character, and the "lip stick" idiocy.

If Romano bends over backwards any further to make these idiotic comparisons of the two campaigns, he'll need a chiropractor to straighten himself out.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:40:27 GMT

Awww McCleod... I'm insulted! :)

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

LauderdaleGirl — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:41:09 GMT

I will tell you what I do not like about John McCain, and why with Obama....It's about time he goes ballistic on the Campaign Trail. McCain has said more than three times now...that had Obama done those Town Hall Meetings with him, this campaign would not have gone so negative. I want to know...who died and left John McCain the Kingpin of Campaigns. If John McCain gets mad over a simple thing like NOT doing Town Hall Meetings, what kind of crazy reactions is he going to have with other countries and the people in our country. I totally disagree with your assessment of Obama -- and I will say again..it's about time he fought back.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

2Endur — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:41:45 GMT

Nasty ads...when till the Keating Five, the bragged about "stripper girlfriend" and the Adultery issue against McBush surfaces

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:43:30 GMT

OMG!!!!

A Newsweek ad I can actually call reporting!!!! Obama must be cutting back on money spent on Newsweek

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

News and Notes — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:43:36 GMT

Rush Limbaugh's views are very far to the far right, and his sensationalism makes him a lot of money. Whether you like McCain or not, you do McCain a disservice by linking him to Limbaugh, or by defending Limbaugh's positions.

Comparing Obama to the Kennedys, King, Lincoln, etc., is not credible, becuase Obama hasn't accomplished that much yet. He has shown signs of arrogance and hubris (ie- scripted campaign, speeches in Germany and Mile High stadium, snubbing Hillary for VP, etc) which are not appealing.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SAGG — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:43:45 GMT

Amazing. Just amazing. Obama fights back, and he's deemed no better than McCain. He doesn't, and he's deemed another Dem wuss. I'd rather for Obama to be criticized for being too nasty than too wussy anyday. A previous poster was right. Darned if Obama does, and darned if he doesn't. Obama, keep hitting back. HARD.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

News and Notes — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:45:13 GMT

Lauderdale if I were a relative unkonwn on the national scale who was running for president, I would have been THIRSTING to do more debates with Hillary, town hall meetings with McCai, and interviews with challenging journalists. Because he hasn't, Obama is still a relative unknown with an arrogant streak

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

4carol — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:45:26 GMT

YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO CALL HIS AD "DEEPLY UNFAIR".

YET, STRANGELY, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT SAID ABOUT ANY OF MCSHAME'S ADS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE ABOUT SEX EDUCATION!!!

I, PERSONALLY, THOUGHT YOU HAD MORE GUTS TO STAND FOR AND AGAINST BOTH CANDIDATES; BUT I GUESS THE GOP HAS BOUGHT YOU TOO!!!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

amendment2man — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:47:30 GMT

well thanks Romano. a situation that could not in any way be spun in obama's favor is admitted to.

this ad is really reprehensible. it targets the most ignorant and uninformed. obama seems desparate at this point. He really has nothing more to tout about his own record or plans so he stays on the attack.

it is akin to comparing fast food brands on one company's ad. you are still advertising and giving your rival publicity albeit negative. studies have shown that negative ads actualy work for your rival. Mccain seems to play obama quite well. He causes a reaction every time and forces obama to play catch up.

obamas reactionary attitude makes me think that his potential administration would be run in the same reactionary non proactive manner. in short he just seems to be not ready for this job. It seems to me that if he were just an Irish American white guy he would already be confined to obscurity with his thin credentials.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

suzvoter47 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:47:59 GMT

Sportlock09

If you rally have anything intelligent to say other than soundimg so much like the people that need to be kept out of office than do so otherwise, your ranting makes you look ignorant too.

Back up your ranting with facts, like exactly how does Obama have two faces?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:48:14 GMT

Lauderdale girl,

Ummmm shut up sweetie. You have as much of a voice too Obama as a partially aborted baby. Your not good enough for a Democratic ticket. Even Biden said Hilary would have been a better choice for VP stupid. How is that for Obama's judgement.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

FlaLady — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:49:56 GMT

4carol: Please. I read Andrew's column regularly and don't agree with most of what he says. But I read it because he doesn't rely on sleaze or lies. Now, if he would only address ACORN, ACORN Housing and Obama's ties to both, I'd be a happy lady.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

abadreview — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:51:27 GMT

Yeah um...it's kind of hard to achieve "post-partisanship" when you're running against a man with no honor or integrity. The McCain campaign has put out an unbelievable amount of lies and smear attacks against Obama, so as unfortunate as it may be, he has had to engage in a few counter-attacks of his own. Luckily, he's more intelligent than McCain and Palin combined, so he always seems to find a way to make them look silly, which is a pretty accurate representation of their combined character. Andrew Romano is a joke of a journalist, and would be better served reporting for FOX "NEWS". It's common knowledge that Obama has been able to reach more Republicans (at least the few who have common sense), than any Democrat in recent memory. To ignore that fact just adds to your ever mounting lack of credibilty. This article is a piece of tabloid trash.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Shelley in SSP — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:51:33 GMT

SPORTLOCK09 -- the anarchists at the republican convention were not Democrats, nor were they Republicans. What they were for the most part were young folks with nothing better to do and no better morals than to go around and cause problems for other people. Don't try to link them to either party. I was in St. Paul, and live in the area and saw the mess first hand. Most of the protests were peaceful, more so than anyone thoguht they would be.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

hamsoda — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:51:42 GMT

Another misleading article from Andrew Romano, a person so thoroughly in the tank for John McCain that he makes no effort to disguise it.

Yes, a suggestion that John McCain, who does nothing to limit tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, is equivalent to a suggestion that Barack Obama wants to teach kindergarteners about safe sex. Both positions just a tweak from being "totally true," and both positions equally reprehensible, right?

One campaign accused an opposing candidate of turning a blind eye to corporate exploitation. The other accused its opponent of coming within a hair of supporting child molestation. The equivalencies are so sharply evident, it took the eagle eye and peerless sagacity of Andrew Romano to make the case.

The primary disingenuousness in this article isn't Obama's, or McCain's . . . its Andrew Romano's.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:52:18 GMT

4carol,

Wouldn't you consider a blatant lie unfair? Did you even read the article moron? He did mention the lies that he considered unfair. Look under politics on this site and tell me what ad doesn't call McCains ad's unfair. What an idiot, do you have to think to breathe also?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Foxxpaws22 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:53:15 GMT

Once all the name calling and carrying on settles, the bottom line here is who do you want to be President, Obama or Palin? Without question, I dont think McCain could survive 4 years in office, and guess who that leaves us with? A pit bull with little skills, gun toting, albeit wearing lipstick, to decide our country's fate and represent us in the international community. Start the impeachment hearings...

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

malito1943 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:54:07 GMT

So it's OK for McCain to lie in his ads but od help us if Obama gives him a taste of his own medicine?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

tiredoflies — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:54:37 GMT

SPORTLOCK09, YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT AND A ONE DIMENSIONAL THINKER JUST LIKE MCCAIN.

ALL EVERY CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR OFFICE CAN DO IS GIVE WORDS UNTIL THEY ARE IN OFFICE.

THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT OBAMA WILL BACK UP HIS WORDS WITH ACTION AND SAGE DECISIONS. WHILE MCCAIN DITCHES HIS SUPPORTERS IN EXCHANGE FOR THE RICH.

I AM TIRED OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU SPEWING YOUR GARBAGE FOR THE LIARS MCCAIN AND PALIN.

THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE IN NOVEMBER WHO HAS THE VISION AND JUDGEMENT HERE AND WHO DOES NOT.

I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

abadreview — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:55:03 GMT

"SPORTLOCK09",

Why don't you grow the hell up and learn to show a little respect for others? Simple- minded d-bag. You prove your ignorance, and your total detachment from reality, right from the moment you trash talk Obama. You are on the wrong side of history, and you should probably stay out of politics and leave it to the big boys.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:55:20 GMT

4carol,

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

j.Boski — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:55:22 GMT

Personally I can't get over the American public's obsession with rank and privilege, even though intellectually I know it's a part of human nature. Over 94% of all American earn less than $150,000 a year. Which means that 94% of all Americans are either poor or in the middle-class, YET they consistently vote for and support a party whose EVERY policy decision is based on conserving the status quo, (hello Conservatives), by NOT helping the poor or middle-class to better their situation. ALL the other developed nations in the world do more for the "backbone" of their country, for developmental reasons, through health and education directed spending than America has been able to do. That's why today we export 70% of our earnings overseas to buy goods manufactured overseas, compared to a 30% return. Ask any economist, and they'll tell you that why we are suffering economically today, (Trade imbalance, Balance of Payments Deficit, Trade Deficit, same thing). Our disproportionate spending on education and health is causing declining productivity (comparatively) on the one hand, and inflated wages and production costs on the other.) So which party is going to do more for the 95% poor and middle-class. That's the question we need to be discussing.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

ss0107 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:57:31 GMT

Finally an article that actually shows both sides fairly. It is about time.

Both sides need to cut the attacks and focus on solutions for the issues at hand. Unfortunately we "stupid American voters" have a history of not responding well to that but we do respond to the misinformation put out by the campaigns.

The press could its part as well with more articles like this ad not the so frequent one-sided coverage.

Congrats on one well done to Mr. Romano

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Spacer — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:58:09 GMT

From the ad that Romano is whining about: "They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much. John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. "

What's untrue about that statement? To the moderates and independents, John McCain is the face that is presented., Rush Limbaugh is the racist and xenophobic face that the party presents to excite "the base." And Romano ignored McCain's flip-flop on immigration. I'll bet Romano wasn't doing any huffing and puffing when McCain ludicrously said he wouldn't vote for his own immigration bill.

"Moderate Maverick McCain" is the mask of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh is the ugly face beneath the mask. And the mask if slipping badly.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

suzvoter47 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:58:23 GMT

Our country almost and still could economically tanked this morning and people are fighting. The congress and people in DC yes Washington are trying to put aside their Partisan ways in hopes of finding a solution so the almighty dollar of this country doesn't crash through the floor. So unlessyou have monies in Gold or other "safe commoditeis" I suggest that people stop and start looking at the FACTS.

So if evryone just keeps on fighting and we dont rally as a nation than we will have NO ONE to blame but ourselves. You can disagree about the canidiates, but not on a personal level but because of the facts so I would suggest that everyone educate themselves on the facts because there is noone in DC that has ever had to deal with this and it will be difficult for whomever wins the Presidency.

Remember after 9/11 how all came togheher to support the nation, well this is the equivalent of that day in terms of the Economy it has alsmost melted down and still could. Any one of us could lose our jobs, homes, bank accounts, pensions.

Wake up and get real.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

patbraun — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:00:09 GMT

Finally a reporter that actually reports fairly. Since the mainstream media has been running stories positive to Obama 10 to 1 compared to those positive to McCain, it's good to see even one that rings of fairness. I can't stand watching MSNBC any more as they parade liberal after liberal to bash MCCain and Palin.NBC, CBS, and ABC aren't much better. If Obama can't win with this huge handicap (and he is definietely not as qualified as MCCain), then I would be amazed! Thanks for these facts Mr. Romano.

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ademeyer — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:01:01 GMT

Peggy Noonan is a hypocrite. Republicans "won bad" the last two elections and I never heard her scold the Bushies. McCain went negative first and Obama saw his numbers drop - negative ads work! Barack had to fight back. I think Obama has run a much a much more positive campaign and if Republicans don't cooperate with him when he is elected, the People will kick those Republicans out of office.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

timrogers — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:01:03 GMT

McCain is running the same type of low road campaign that worked for Bush. The strategy has not really changed much since the days of Richard Nixon. Attack your opponent with every lie, distortion and racial innuendo you can think of and then claim to be the victom of unfair attacks yourself. McCain is not smart enough or ethical enough to change the tactics or dictate the tone of his own campaign. Obama has to fight fire with fire. He has been too soft if anything so far. Why does he refrain from mentioning McCains legendary temper and instability? Why doesn't he suggest that McCain is not only old, but too old and too senile to handle the duties of President? He should be running ads showing McCain and Palin admiring a nice mushroom cloud sunset. McCain deserves to be kicked in the nuts and Palin deserves to be ridiculed as the airhead, Alaskan bimbo she is. Obama needs to hit back hard; he is in a target rich environment.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

AlanCB — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:01:29 GMT

All of Chicago wants to know when are the 35 reporters digging up dirt on Palin going to look at the Obama-Ayres misuse of 57 Million grant from the Annenburg Foundation. The Obama Plumbers are stonewalling attempts to get at what those two actually did with the money. I live here, know that the word on the street is that Obama-Ayres spread the cash around to Obama's cronies as "street money." The CAC Grant achieved nothing, Reported in Chicago media is that Dailey's City Hall was shreading their docs while Univ. of Illinois Chicago has locked their's away and stalling on releasing them. So where is the national media, busy stealing Palin's Email.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:03:20 GMT

nice job!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

DennCiot — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:04:03 GMT

Give me a BREAK !!! McCains campain Lies about everything to make themselves look better and then throws false statements about Obama (HOURLY !!!) Mean time Democrats tell Obama to fight back. He finally hits back at McCain the same way that McCain hits him and YOU along with countless others jump all over the Obama campain for sreading false info. GET REAL, McCAIN is an A....hole, he and his misstress (Palin) keep stretching the truth about themselves and falsely accuse Obama about everything. Oh, that's right, the same people that ran the Bush Campain's are running McCAIN'S campain. The most AMAZING thing is ALL the IGNORANT voters who actually BELIEVE all that crap!!! Educate yourselves and make an INFORMED vote. For the record I am a White, 57 yr old Republican.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

tiredoflies — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:04:07 GMT

This kills me, McCain campaign lies blatently over and over again for months and now, all of a sudden, Obama fights fire with fire and it is so terrible.

What I see here is that you do NOT like getting some of your own medicine.

All I can say is IT SURELY FIGURES.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

greghi — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:04:09 GMT

No one gave two shakes of a rats butt when the republicans were slamming Obama if its one thing. I am sick of is people saying that Obama shoud be ashamed of himself. What about Mr,. <cCain I think Obama said he wouldn't bring the fight to McCain but he would engage him in one . This is the war or engagement . Obama is just suppose to sit back and say its ok , thats ok , I'm the better man. People please

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:04:50 GMT

Posted By: suzvoter47 (September 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM)

Sportlock09

If you rally have anything intelligent to say other than soundimg so much like the people that need to be kept out of office than do so otherwise, your ranting makes you look ignorant too.

Back up your ranting with facts, like exactly how does Obama have two faces?

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Do you even read the ARTICLE? That is my proof. And for you to call me ignorant is laughable at best. So call away, I don't care what a complete moron thinks. SHEEESH Ok Ill point out the OBVIOUS for you because you could never begin to figure it out on your own. OBAMA said he WILL NOT stoop to McCains level. WELL HERE HERE!!!!! Isn't this a nice article to completely discredit that side of his face. And just so you and your fellow Dems don't pull the ole BUT BUT BUT MCCAIN DID TOO!!!!!! LOL 1st 2 wrongs must make a right with you people. 2ndly McCain NEVER said he was above the same ole politics slander. OBAMA DID !!!!!!!!!! Now for lesson 2. A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z. This is called the alphabet. And we only have 50 states in the USA

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:05:15 GMT

Posted By: suzvoter47 (September 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM)

Sportlock09

If you rally have anything intelligent to say other than soundimg so much like the people that need to be kept out of office than do so otherwise, your ranting makes you look ignorant too.

Back up your ranting with facts, like exactly how does Obama have two faces?

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re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

oneamerican — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:07:03 GMT

Surroundedbyidiots -- You must be an idiot yourself. Obama's two biggest in the primary, leading up to the nomination, were no negative ads and he would accept public financing if his opponent did. Well, McCain accepted and Obama went back on his word. From the get-go, all Obama says is that McCain is four more years of Bush. After hearing that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, McCain decided to go negative as well, and since then this campaign has been all downhill. If Obama had any spine, he would have accepted McCain's invitiation to taown-hall style meetings. Oh, wait there is no teleprompter there, so Obama refused. The American people could have heard what the candidates truly thought, but Obama is too good to do anything that might benefit the average American voter. He then criticizes Palin for using a teleprompter -- What audacity!!! During the O'Reilly interview, when Obama didn't have a teleprompter, half of his words were um....um....um..... He is definitely not qualified to lead.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

the fact is — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:08:12 GMT

What baloney! The print and on air media repeats McCain/Palin lies, slurs and hyperbole ad nauseum, and when Barack calls them on it and McCain's handlers cry and whine like babies, Newsweek gives in and perpetuates the McCain/Palin balomey. If McCain and Palin are so tough how come they cry like babies about being called on their outright lies. The real reason is they can't handle the truth and their handlers can only complain about being exposed for the frauds they are. McCain/Palin aren't mavericks, they're sellouts of the rankest sort who lie through their teeth to try and cover it up. Sorry, the public is seeing through it. Palin's reputation is dropping fast as the lies are exposed. Even Mr. Hillbilly Heroin, Rush Limbaugh, can't save McCain/Palin now.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

nlcatter — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:11:24 GMT

Point of ad is to say GOP lies just to get our vote and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush."

Limbaugh is a GOP supporter and the ads links Mcain with

just as Mccain links Ayers to Obama.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Newyorkrican — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:11:41 GMT

McCain won't stand a chance with the Hispanic voter we are not stupid. De ninguna manera McCains el es Bush otra ves. Que Viva La Rasa Hispana.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mlbuie — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:12:13 GMT

Uh ... McCain may have championed better immigration reform in the past ... but, now that he is the Republican's lap-dog, he has turned back on that.

Obama's contention that McCain is part of "Republican and Friends" is completely fair, in my book!

It is obvious that McCain is trying to pander, flip and flop his way into convincing those that fear a president who is "not like us" that if he wiggles and worms enough to make verybody believe he can accomodate them all, they can stomach a vote for another Republican term.

I am SO disillusioned by how easily people can be manipulated by the Republican liars.

Pathetic!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

little leaper — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:12:24 GMT

Oboma would not tell the truth about his relationship with the Fannie and Freddie exec. We know that they were deeply involved with the democrats and were big donor to the Oboma effort to decieve the American voters. A good example of the lies that Oboma tells every time he moves his lips is when he lies about McCain warning about the problems with Fannie and Freddie. In 2006 McCain warned that there was a problem but the liberal democratic controled congress did not want to act due the democrats envolvement with the disgraceful organization. Again the demoorats do not put the country first.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

eagles1776 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:12:59 GMT

The McCain campaign has NOTHING to complain about. They have waged the filthiest, lyingest campaign one could imagine. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. From the very start Obama has had to defend himself from the lies and unfair characterizations leveld by his opponents. I am glad that he is finally giving them a taste of their own medicine. I just wish it had happened sooner.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Doc Larrick — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:13:13 GMT

Andrew, Andrew. It's "whoever" he is, not "whomever" (end of 2nd paragraph). Fake and (laughable) pomposity like that undercuts what you are trying to say. Keep it simple and grammatical, guy.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:13:43 GMT

Posted By: abadreview (September 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM)

"SPORTLOCK09",

Amazing how this clown asks me to grow up and show others respect while foaming at the mouth calling me names huh? lol You Obama bots are one of a kind. Half retarded, bi-polar, finger pointing, everyones fault but our 9% approval rating for our Dem controlled congress who has passed the FEWEST BILLS in the HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!! But it's Bushes fault. LMAO WHat a clown

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:14:28 GMT

Sportlock, way to go! Don't let the brainwashed Obama-heads get you down.

I know that when November comes around the people who haven't been passing around the pipe, will make an informed decision to vote McCain into office. I can't wait for that day so we will never see Obama again. Once he loses that will be it, he will be one of the biggest gambles made by the Democratic party, and one of the biggest losses since the Democrats were expecting to win. Key word....expecting...

McCain 2008!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

jeremyfive — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:16:00 GMT

It is not possible to take fat oaf Rush Limbaugh out of context. His constant drumbeat is dispicable and wholly misinformed. He should stick to his drugs and viagra and leave the nation alone.

Now with the horrific financial crisis, I hear pundits describing this mess as "bipartisan" at a time when Bush, handed a balanced national budget by Clinton, will be passing along to the next president one of the greatest crisises in history.

Eat dirt, Rush. Your boy was a loser, as was your party, in power for the last 8 years.

Isn't it about time we cover over the Republican Party with dirt, tamp it down with a shovel and collectively sing, "God Bless America"???

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mlbuie — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:16:33 GMT

Passing around the pipe? LOL!

Limbaugh and friends are the pipe-addicts!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

dmonmcd — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:16:47 GMT

Look, this is an unfortunate part of politics that Obama didn't engage in until the negative ads McCain showed were affecting the race. It is absolutely wrong that the American voter doesn't take the time to do ANY research on candidates they are voting for and prefer soundbites. I think that a non-partisan voting oversite group should be created as part of the FCC so that if an ad is a lie then it is pulled immediately. Obama is doing this because of the effect of the "swift" boat ads in 04 and now the horrible lies McCain has supported. It is also a reaction(get that McCain supporters) from his base to fight back with the fury Americans are feeling about the direction of this country for the last eight years. I wish that this didn't occur but the vast majority of Americans just don't take the time to investigate on their own and I feel these ads are more of a reflection of society.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

callmehandy64 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:17:28 GMT

This is exactly the reason to vote independent. Nader is the only one that had an inkling that the practices on Wall Street were heading us towards a disaster. Now the major party candidates are trying their best to rise in public opinion like cream to the top by agreeing with the plan to give huge amounts of tax payer money to bail out a bunch of crooks that made their money through excess. Neither thet democrats nor the republicans has a clue what to do, The legislature laughed at Nader as little as a few months ago. Who's laughing now?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:18:12 GMT

Posted By: tiredoflies (September 19, 2008 at 2:54 PM)

SPORTLOCK09, YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT AND A ONE DIMENSIONAL THINKER JUST LIKE MCCAIN.

ALL EVERY CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR OFFICE CAN DO IS GIVE WORDS UNTIL THEY ARE IN OFFICE.

THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT OBAMA WILL BACK UP HIS WORDS WITH ACTION AND SAGE DECISIONS. WHILE MCCAIN DITCHES HIS SUPPORTERS IN EXCHANGE FOR THE RICH.

I AM TIRED OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU SPEWING YOUR GARBAGE FOR THE LIARS MCCAIN AND PALIN.

THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE IN NOVEMBER WHO HAS THE VISION AND JUDGEMENT HERE AND WHO DOES NOT.

I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

Hey, this isn't your first day on this site so either 1. You are blind because how many times have we posted Obama lies all over this site and you still think the man is a saint? If you could say, hey, I'm voting for who I believe is the lesser of the 2 evils then I could actually accept that. But to say McCain lies and Obama doesn't LMAO you are special, arent you? lol

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Omnius — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:18:37 GMT

Andrew you seem to have conveniently forgotten that McCain has abandoned his initial imigration reform bill which infuriated Lush Limbaugh and has now sold out to the Limbaugh bigot's only plan. It is definitely fair to equate McCain with Limbaugh now that both talk the same bigotted message.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Sir Bryan of the middle class — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:18:40 GMT

I noticed again today how Obama waits for others to take action and lead so he can mock and ridicule them because he can't come up with his own specific solutions, answers, or even constructive comments! Then he commandeers the ideas and thoughts of others and pretends like they now agree with him. I think that's a plagiarist! And most of the media still plays along with him, scrutinizing McCain and trying to falsely discredit him but they don't even challenge Obama! At least in this article someone in the media is starting to show some humanity and intelligence

Obama once again has broken his word and needs to stop his lies and childish jabs at a real American hero John McCain!

In an effort to stop the politics as usual, John McCain to his leadership credit has invited Obama time and time again to be a man and join him on stage for an open forum town hall debate and being the shallow incompetent elitist that Obama is he has not accepted!

Obama needs to stop having his liberal media friends and surrogates attacking viciously while he plays like he is above all that.

Be a man Obama and let's debate, America is tired of the bickering!!!!

This mischaracterization and lies on the Spanish speaking Rush add is a further indication of his willingness to divide and conquer our nation and make it weak and vulnerable to those in the world that hate us. He is a threat to national security!

McCain is right about the fundamentals of the economy being still strong and all YOU want to do is create further despair and hysteria in an effort to promote your own self serving agenda!

McCain wants to minimize spending, and reduce taxes on all, but all YOU want to do is raise taxes and redistribute wealth and spend, spend, spend!

And you lie and prey on the ignorance of some Americans with your false claim you only intend to tax corporations and the upper 5% of Americans.

Those are the people that invest and create jobs for the middle and all classes. Your policies will force us into a Depression!

I am middle class and I am not willing to sacrifice my countries security for a symbolic $1,000 tax break! It’s meaningless much like the Democrats who now control the House and Senate and spit in our faces on the ridiculous energy bill yesterday.

As far Palin goes, she has more executive experience than Obama.

God forbid something happens to McCain when he is elected, but I'd rather have a REAL loving American in Sarah Palin one heartbeat away as our President than a incompetent boob like Obama!

If Obama was to sit in front of Putin, what he'd see standing behind you are the weak self-serving liberals, deviants, open handed on the dole slackers and baby killers of America that support him.

When Sarah sits in front of Putin, he will see and know behind her stands us, the strong and educated Americans, toting our guns and clinging to our faith and religion.

That's what the world understands, the world that takes us for granted and certainly does not have our best interest at heart so why in the heck would we elect someone who appeals to them and not the majority of Americans???

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Aite Qumerican — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:18:52 GMT

Ok every 1 let us wake up and smell the marijuana both of these guys a TOTAL IDIOTS .1 has had only 143 day serving this country .The other is old enough to ne my father and I'm 56. Neither are in touch with true americans ideas,wanta and needs for OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE.We a laughing stock around the world and probably in other galaxies.The hypocritical religious right are walking contradictions and the frickking far left borders on socialst coummnism.Bail out after bail out yours and my grandchildren and great-grand children will be paying for this bi-partisans blunder for 3 generations.THANY YOU Washington keep up the good work

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:20:34 GMT

I am 51. When I was a kids my parents taught me to be very careful about what I was fed by political campaigns through the media (advertisements, etc). So, I have always been skeptical about this and turn to other sources of information. I will read the NYT and the WSJ to get opposing views. I will talk to people I am friends with about issues. In the end, I need to sort out the information myself and make a decision.

Unfortunately I think the MSM has fallen off track here. Perhaps it is because we can get our news from so many different sources that they have to be "more sensational" to get our attention. If thery aren;t yelling at us throught the TV they are doing a light weight celebrity profile ala People magazine in the print media.

For heaven's sake, it is our own fault - if we are paying attention to Britney Spears' latest escapade the certainly we want to knwo all about Palin's tanning booth and per diems. We encourage the media to feed us this stuff because it is easier to understand than healthcare and economic policy. That's why abortion seems so darn important; it's the one thing we understand.

I think that someone with Sarah Palin's background and experience would have been laughed out of town if nominated, say, in 1968. If you want to equate Obama to JFK in terms of experience, I would agree with you - but don;t try and tell me he's "only" been a community organizer. After all, what were the founding fathers if not community organizers.

For the most part, the Republicans have been most successful at appealing to the lowest common denominator in America. Call it NASCAR dads, call it rednecks, call it simple minded, call it rural....they all cling to theri guns and their bibles and they vote en masse.

The dems are not good at this game. They are more like dinosaurs. They are trying to speak to issues, but no one wants to listen. They are called "elite" and they take it as a compliment. Well, ole' Jethro out in rural America doesn;t like elites. Dems don;t get it yet. And they will keep losing until they begin to appeal to that lowest common denominator. Sad but true.

Unfortunately, the MSM has gone for the lowest common denominator as well.

Hat's off to Me Romano for an unbiased view of events. Thank you - I appreciate it.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Uncle Buck — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:21:07 GMT

Aite Qumerican, I assume you're not voting, so quit complaining.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Zedcar35 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:21:15 GMT

SPORTLOCK..."ignorant," "righteous"? I've seen a lot of fingerpointing in this blog, and think there are a lot of good points on both sides. What I can't get over is Righties like you who spew topline opinion without thinking deeper into what they are offering.

I would LOVE to talk ignorance with you - after you've read a line or two about McCain's flip-flopping on the Bush tax cuts or Palin's global warming stance. Palin's plane was sold on eBay like she said in her acceptance speech, right? Ah, well, nevermind, so she phibbed on that one, but I'm sure that pipeline is something to see. Or not, but she talks big about it at least, so I'm sold - that's as good a reason as any to vote for this ticket.

Even though the news broke that Palin did in fact ask for earmarks although she said something repeatedly about cutting them, I'm sure McCain hasn't asked for earmarks, right? So there's some solace there. Nope, the exact opposite. But as long as his commercials say he didn't as for any Arizona earmarks, it's all good.

The best you can do is say that Obama must be spending less on Newsweek, huh? For all you Mavericks out there, stop doing exactly what the guy before you is doing, and ACTUALLY consider doing something "Maverick." THINK a little before verbalizing. www.factcheck.org - read something, it may make your arguements stronger too.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mrzoid — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:21:28 GMT

How about we just accept the truth and admit that both campaigns have been pulling some pretty unethical stuff. This is not the politics of change (Obama's calling card and McCain's new found yaking point), it is the same tried and true, easy way out, gutter campaigning that has plagued our elections for years. Take your blindingly partisan heads out of your collective asses; both sides are in the wrong.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:22:55 GMT

Sir Bryan -

Palin isn;t qualified to take out my garbage let alone be VP of the USA. Comparing her to Obama is an insult to him and should be insulting to you also.

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deluge99 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:26:24 GMT

The problem with this argument is that in order to win the far right wings approval McCain said he would vote against or change his stance on the Immigration issue, putting him right in line with Limbaugh and his views. So the ads are actually accurate now if you consider McCain's stance at this moment, but who knows maybe tomorrow his views will change that seems to be a trend.

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RDOMINGUEZ — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:26:47 GMT

Zedcar- so the best you can come up with is "Stop doing what the guy before you was doing"

That is so lame, while you may try and convince the world that McCain is Bush, it just isn't true! Blah blah blah, more of the same, I'm so sick of hearing that.

Not more of the same Change! Change! BLAH BLAH BLAH. Half of you don't even know what "Change" Obama is talking about! He speaks in such general terms and acts like he can solve everything that is wrong with the world. Well if you believe a single president can do that, then you need to get your head checked. You can believe someone who promises you the moon and the stars with no clear plan on how to deliver!

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sebs112 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:27:19 GMT

OUCH! That ad was Way Harsh! As an American of Hispanic descent, I must say I am a bit miffed by the ad. However, if we put this ad in perspective, it isn't as harsh as the one McCain put out DISTORTING OBAMA's RECORD--You know the one where McCain states Obama tried to pass legislation for Kindergarden sex ed? I think that was far worse. So Obama finally pulled off the gloves...let the games begin.

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anngw — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:27:58 GMT

I don't think that it is unfair to equate McCain to Rush Limbaugh. After all Limbaugh is supporting McCain and McCain will change his views and actions toward whomever will support him, whatever it takes to win. If he should win, he will definitely implement an immigration policy that corresponds to Rush Limbaugh's views.

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St. Germain — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:30:17 GMT

If you want a head-chopping muslim that never had the guts to serve in our armed forces vote for OBUMMER. I'm voting on a American Patriot yep JOHN McCAIN. If OBUMMER wins there will be long lines at the gun shops as we will need to defend ourselfs from OBUMMERS buddies in the muslim world.

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aerochic — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:30:38 GMT

Andrew, with all due respect, your comment;

"Most of this stuff is child's play compared to the whole McCain-sponsored "lipstick on a pig" kerfluffle, which I characterized as "idiotic" and "condescending." And I agree with National Journal's Stuart Taylor, Jr., that the Arizona senator "has lately been leading the race to the bottom" of the barrel. What's more, Obamans have a point when they say their man has the right to fight fire with fire. It would be political suicide for Obama to allow McCain to keep hitting below the belt without landing a few low blows himself."

pretty much leaves the other points of you article mute, doesn't it?

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Express — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:14 GMT

dmonmed, I couldn't agree with you more and the sad part about it is that the American people fall for this stuff and can't think any further than that, and the media is a big part of the problem also because all they want is to increase there viewership, etc so instead of throwing out or cutting throught the lies, insults, and other ads and bring us responsible news reporting which they are suppose to do they go for this crab and air it. Who cares what Rush Dimwit and others have to say, they are already making tons of money and don't care about us. AMAZING and we should all be ashame for supporting this.

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RRuin — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:22 GMT

Obama tried to forge a new trail in an election. He tried to keep his campaign on the high road.

But McCain has done nothing but lie and lie and lie.

What did you expect Obama to do? Sit back and enjoy it? Let the election slip away on a river of McCain lies.

Palin is a right wing fascist religious zealot from Alaska. McCain allowing her on his ticket shows how degenerate the old man is.

McCain's been trashing Obama, but it's Obama's fault for fighting back?

McCain/Palin are dangerous. McCain is a trigger happy warmonger who wants to be President before he dies. Palin is counting the days to the death of the old man so she and the first dude can take over.

And you're worried about some commercials Obama has out?

Be worried about having a delusional old man and a wacko from Alaska getting their hands on the nuclear codes.

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dlaurels — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:11 GMT

The way I look at it, McCain is going to be of no help anyway as he was with the ethics bill Obama passed. If he can't lead, he doesn't help. McCain is not a follower. That is why he keeps mentioning the joint town hall meetings. He wants control of everything. He is the one who stopped the joint town hall meetings. He made an offer, Obama countered, and McCain ignored. It was McCain who refused to negotiate. It was his way or the highway. Now, is that the kind of person you want running the United States of America. I don't.

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Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:19 GMT

The problem I have with Obama is this . He is a man who is eloquent and intelligent....but that is it. Noone ever speaks about what a great leader he is or anything about how diplomatic he is. Only that he speaks well and gives great speeches or he is inspiring. And our country needs more than a introverted mouth piece right now. It needs a leader who has been through the doo doo. All of what Obama is saying to us is just talk. How does he plan to accomplish the things he is promising? McCain at least has the sense to not make promises but share his ideas in attempt to get things going in the right direction. It bothers me that he may be a puppet to his own advisors in a cabinet he selects. It will be they who he asks advice from constantly as he lacks in every aspect Government. He never served in the Military. Never Governed a State. Has 1 half a term as Senator (hardly qualifying for reelection let alone Presidency). Has never even managed an apartment building. So other than being Black (which he reminds us of constantly)and the Polar Opposite of the goon we have in office he is grossly unqualified and undeserving. How does he expect to connect with us in the Middle Class anyways? Ivy League education, extremely rich (somehow).....Ladies do you remember what your momma said about smooth talking men??? Dont trust them they have an agenda. Fellas remember what your old man said about smooth talking sales men? Dont listen to them they have an agenda.

And what about McCain? My problem with him is that he is the iconic image of "Grand-Pa running the country when the Son couldnt" McCain is my grand Parents age (or there abouts) and Bush is my parents age (or there abouts). So now that Son (Bush) messed it up and I and those my age at 31 am not allowed to run for office GrandPa (McCain is strapping it on to try and save the day ala Normandy Invasion 1944. It is a new era...again and the same old tactics that worked to get McCain elected (in a heavily retiree populace in Arizona) dont work with most of us. Granted McCain is a politician from a rapidly dying generation of Americans who still somehow keep outvoting those in subsequent generations as they still foolishly believe their vote will decide the Presidency and not the Electoral College (ask Gore and Andrew Jackson about that) McCain does remind us too often about his Military experience and he moves his focus too often and changes tack (so does Obama) but at least he has been around but has it been too long? Was he a better fit 4 or even 8 years ago for the GOP? This may be the hurdle he cant hop over not his policy or running mate. Americans may just want a younger more in touch candidate as we did when we elected Clinton (who should have found a way to make it legal again to have as many terms as possible as I would have elected him King).

The real truth is that Partys are a thing of the past. Republican Democrat??? It should not matter. There should be just candidates campaigning on a platform and you decide who wins the election and eliminate the electoral college. Campaigning on things that dont matter like abortion and education and medical care are irrelevnt. How does the President over turn Roe V Wade? How does the president get health care out of corporate hands and make it about healing and not the bottom line. How does the President fix education and get all schools in all areas to be on a level playing field so that those in pooper/older neighborhoods learn as much as those in affluent areas where money is donated to the schools on top of the public money allocated to them? The president cant fix any of it. He just presides over it. If we as Americans want a "One Voice Final Word" we should have a king or a dictator and no senate or house with the Supreme Court to serve as the check to ensure lagality.

Splitting the country in two either Red or Blue only does one thing. Ensures that rich men backed by special interest actively try to pursuade you that THEY have more in common with you than the other guy and they have your interests at heart and they can fix our problems. What they dont tell you is that they have to make good on the promises they made to those who paved the way for them first (like Bush) and that as an affluent person they have no concept ever or anymore of your struggles. And as long as there is a legal lobby Special Interest will always prevail over the voice of the people as we dont have the $$$$ to bribe the officals we elected. It is obvious by the results of previous elections that the vast majority of Americans believe the system does not work and a massive reworking is needed and not a tweak.

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READ2000 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:24 GMT

COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH JACK 8590...YOU ARE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD..IT REALLY ONLY TAKES A FEW WORDS TO SEE & UNDERSTAND WHAT IS TRANSPIRING IN

THIS AWFUL REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN...IF THATS WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT! WHAT A

JOKE THEY HAVE TURNED OUT TO BE.

DO THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS THIS IGNORANT?? I GUESS SO.

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deluge99 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:35:52 GMT

RDominguez, have you gone to his website or did you listen to his convention speech where Obama laid out 16 points about what change is. If you don't know what his plans are you are listening. It's like a kid with his fingers in his ears saying I'm not listening. Do some research he lays out his plans. Like this one, if your a senior who earns $50k or less you will not be taxed.

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DaveWK — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:36:04 GMT

Andrew, don't fall for this well worn Republican trick of whining about the media in order to get more favorable press than they deserve. As you finally acknowledge at the end of your piece, there's no comparision between the nonstop misinformation from McCain/Palin and the rather normal campaign rhetoric from Obama/Biden. Recent examples: McCain claims Obama and his advisers are cheering the financial upheaval, but can't support this false claim; McCain falsely represents that Obama will raise everyone's taxes, when Obama's plan provides for lower taxes than McCain's for all but those making over $250,000; McCain represents Palin as an opponent to earmarks when in fact she's vigorously pursued them for her state and before that for her town; McClain claims he's been for regulation of the financial industry when all objective observers who've reviewed his record conclude he's been against it until this week. And on and on. Andrew, you've got to call a spade a spade, even if that means you're calling out McCain/Palin over and over, every time they cross the line. If you don't you're allowing them to manipulate you, and through you the reading public.

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Yella Dog — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:37:15 GMT

The "postpartisan thing" was a fraud, as was most of BO's primary campaign. It was a fantasy that it is possible to have politics without politics. Unfortunately, enough voters bought this that BO is the Democratic nominee, preventing the Democrats from having a qualified candidate with a proven track record.

I still intend to vote for BO, but I will forever be mad as hell at the media and the Democratic Party leadership for installing him as the nominee. I even hope he wins, though I doubt that he will. This particular attack ad is odious and is every bit as dishonest as any of McCain's ads.

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JCPOK — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:37:27 GMT

Another "balance" post from Romano.

I don't think I would characterize the Obama's ads as a "low blows", but assuming they are, you can't in any way equate "low blows" with the absolute sleaze McCain is peddling - and that is exactly what Romano doe sin this post (especially in the last 4 sentences).

This is a sickening and very damaging tendency that seems to be growing in the mainstream media - the quest for "balance" vitiates the truth.

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Aite Qumerican — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:37:58 GMT

no uncle buck im voting but my vote will be a vote against this woren out out of touch two party systems and the last i check ars wipe im allowed to speak my mind remeber the constitution or like i already know have political alhizmers

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Chris in PA — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:38:08 GMT

Sir Bryan... you proudly tout the fact that America has become unpopular with the rest of the world, as if that is a good thing. What a great example of conservative arrogance and ignorance. As for whether or not McCain appeals to "the majority of Americans", well, that remains to be seen. That's why we have these little elections. And clinging to your "trickle down", "rich people create jobs" economic ideology given the events of just the past few days? Again... arrogance, ignorance, and a complete unwillingness to be open to any reality that does not fit with your completely misguided worldview. What say you go play with your guns and your religion and let those of us who are capable of rational thought handle the decision making, okay? OK, glad that's settled.. run along now.

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eps0609 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:38:14 GMT

against abortion

for the death penalty

less government

create new agency

We want no earmarks

Well, if it's for Alaska, it's okay

No abortions

No money to agencies to help the children of the imposed adoptions

my daughter's choice about her pregnantcy is a private issue

your private issues should be regulated by government (abortion)

abstinence works

except for my children

lying is not acceptable

unless it applies to the republicans, then we admit we lied but you should still get over it

She keeps repeating the same line with no substance

that's okay, she will bring change

AMERICA IS FULL OF IDIOTS.

NO PARTY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS - AGREED....But I am will to take a chance on a man with brains then a caveman and an airhead.

And for the record, those of you who say "I like Obama, but it is just something about him", you might want to admit it... IT MIGHT BE HIS SKIN THAT BOTHERS YOU.

Why else would people keeping calling him black, when his mother is white and his black father was no where to be around.

Why else would people call Obama an elitist, when all he has done was so what is expected in America, go to school, get good grades and take care of yourself and your family. HIS COLOR IS WHAT BOTHERS YOU... BE HONEST AND ADMIT IT. COWARDS!!!!!

McCalin comeS from money, married a woman with money, and no one says McCain is an the elite.

McCain has had 20 years to chagne Washington and hasn't done it yet.

IDIOTS!!!

STUPID!!!!

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hopkins1952 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:38:34 GMT

Unfortunately, when you are running for president, you can not sit back and allow the other party to lie and make fun of you or your intentions. As past elections have shown, you have to fire with fire.Once McCain picked up the aides who have fought this battle in the privious elections, everyone knew what was comming. The only question was when would Obama fight back. I would say that the field is a fair playing field now, so quit crying and lets get on to the election. We have to determine the winner, not by the ads, but by reasoning and reflection. Who will best move us away from the direction that we have been going. The rich have no reason to want change, because they have been reaping the benefits, but the majority of us have been going backward. We have suffered and loss, so if the rich have to suffer in order for us to staighten out this country, then so be it. Another thing! Saying that the housing market is the fundamental reason that our economy is failing is proof that they have no idea what to do to fix our problems. People can't buy food, gas or find jobs, and they say it is because the housing market has failed. Please! If we could turn the clock back to the 70's for a month. What a difference it would make in all of our lives. How can we do that? A moratorium or government intervention in all markets for a brief period of time. Put your greed aside for a month or two, and stabilize this thing before anarchy is born. People will scream socialism, but when capitalism is broken drastic measures are called for.

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Van Man — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:39:01 GMT

Thank GOD that Obama isn't being noble like Kerry was in 2004 and Gore was in 2000 - you gotta get in office in order to fix things!

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thammondwis — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:39:51 GMT

OK conservatives blame liberals and liberals blame conservatives and use facts that back your argument while ignoring the facts that don't support your arguments. We are all Americans and ought to act that way. I don't think that either the Democrates or the Republicans have the best plan for this country. What is best is somewhere between the two. The partisian battle that has been going on in this country is dangerous. More dangerous than any conseravtive or liberal.

Together we stand, divided we will FALL!

Unity '08

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Redburn — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:40:15 GMT

You mean McCain's immagration bill that he later said even he wouldn't vote for?

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SPORTLOCK09 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:40:49 GMT

Zedcar35

I will ask the same of you. THINK!!!!

Factcheck.org is a partnership of NEWSWEEK!!!!! Does this tell you anything at all? Remember to think now. If you still have a hard time comprehending what Im telling you, click on the politics section of NEWSWEEK. Who's paying the NEWSWEEK bills here? AGAIN, factcheck.org is a partnership of NEWSWEEK. Obama pays NEWSWEEKS bills. IS FACTCHECK UNBIASED? THINK now.

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Wonder11 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:40:50 GMT

Hey McSame, how do you like them frijoles? I admit he and Rush were at odds, but that was BEFORE he got the nod! Now they are best buds working for a common purpose...to maintain their strangle hold on the neck of the middle class until we quit kicking!!!

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Catbuns1978 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:45:23 GMT

Sportlock09-

You are the whole reason that they put out the slander adds. You say us Democtrats! Really!!!! I was liberal for a long time. Till I started looking a paycheck that was dwindling, heath cost for my family becoming inflated. You want to know what it only started happening over the last 8 yrs, why would that be??? Oh wait I know the answer to that one a Repblican in the office, a War with no end, bailing out big cooperations. It's easy to say, that it is one party or the other. We are still all Americans right. Do you like going to sleep wondering what will happen tomorrow, or walking around talking on how your going to make your bills for this month. Without your children hearing you. No then shut up!!!!!!!!!!! Either way it's not going to be an easy fix, for either Obama or McCain.

Until you wake up and realise it is everyone's problem, since we just got an 85 billion mortage to pay off, with no money to do it with. Who's pocket is that going to come out of?? This adminstration had no problem printing money for a loan, but had one hell of a time handing out the so called "stimulus" checks. Nothing is going to change my views, not even you doing the patiented Repblican smack down on anyone who has an opinion that's not there's, or hand fed to them. Hope you have a nice long winter freezing, because there will be no help, or money left over after your grand glorious President Bush is done with this country.

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St. Germain — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:45:36 GMT

What is with the tax cut for the middle class? I can understand a tax cut for the poor. OBUMMER don't care about the poor and homeless families as they have yet to be adressed in this campain. Wake up OBUMMER the middle class don't need help right now the poor and homeless do. VOTE JOHN McCAIN 08

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GregHere — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:45:44 GMT

............................McCain is a Man Of Desperation because he knows this is his last National Campaign. He is being helped by Karl Rove and the NeoCon Far Right Cronies of Bush who helped him slip into the White House in 2000 and 2004.....McCain will do whatever it takes to win because he is not concerned about any negative consequences...he is too old to worry about it at 72 years old.

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jstoner — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:46:32 GMT

What makes the whole Obama ad so despicable is that everyone knows John McCain no longer has ANY position on immigration reform. The straight-talking McCain is long gone and he has now changed his stance on EVERYTHING so fast and so many times that even he doesn't know what he supports.

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EnderWiggin — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:46:42 GMT

I think you miss the point of the add.

John McCain may be claiming to be different from the GOP. After all, who after these past disastrous 8 years wouldn't wish to break from failed GOP policies.? But, he has barely broken with the GOP in all honesty. Sure, he's pushed for his own way a few times. But the man really IS GOP.

If he was truly so different, and truly so against GOP policy as to run on a reform platform, he would not be a part of their party. To claim he can reform the GOP or even plans to is so much rubbish.

The people who back him are GOP. The people he will place in his cabinet will be overwhelmingly GOP. His VP pick is decidedly GOP.What makes anyone in their right mind think the man will not favor GOP policies while he is president?

That being the point of the ad. John McCain IS GOP. He's no "maverick", he's no "reformer". He's a candidate of the GOP and shares their basic ideologies and policies.

And THAT my friend is the point of the ad.

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eps0609 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:46:47 GMT

and furthermore,

Only in America can a man (Obama) be criticized for playing nice, then when he begins t fight fire with fire, the other party starts crying foul.

This is why why be hated all over the world, because America is full of ignorant people who deal with emotions and not logic and reasoning.

I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE selects A WOMAN RUNNING MATE WITH NO SUBSTANCE

AGAIN STUPID

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toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:47:11 GMT

Joe Biden, a Washington insider for 35 years. How has he changed Washington? Change? What change? Obama, on the senate floor for 143 days.... kept voting with his party. Change? What change? Obama is a Chicago thug.... his tactics during this campaign prove it. All you people - read about his past and his Chicago experience... Read and Learn... Can you do that? I don't think so.... He is a thug....he has thug friends who do his bidding... he has made this the dirtiest campaign in the history of this country. He has played the RACE card every chance he gets. The only one talking race is him and his thug friends. You people are funny and uneducated. Learn, Read, study the man... it won't take long... he has little substance...... Study and Learn... can you do that? I don't think so..... you are laughable.....

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Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:47:15 GMT

Posted By: wildlifeusa (September 19, 2008 at 2:29 )

newage_lightbulb

You republicans are so stupid, it is mind boggling ! I think many of you need to check into a mental institution.

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and such an intelligent comment from yourself there lightbulb. What seperates us independants from the Republicans, and Demorcrats is the ability to decipher media bias, well of course there's also the following situations:

Democrats:

Lberal Guilt (I'm not white, doesn't apply to me, but the rest of you who look like the former American slave owners need to compensate!, right?)

Handouts (give me healthcare, give me welfare)

NAACP (who suppports the Democratic party,even though it's supposed to be a non-partisan org)- i want my tax $ back btw

Anti-War (War never ended anything, except for Communism, Naazim, Slavery, etc..- ty PW)

Anti-Christianity (Our parents pushed religion on us, and we don't want our government to even recognize it exists!)

Pro-Hollywood (Barbara Striesand, Ben Aflak, Okrah Winfrey, etc.. say we should vote for Obama and they're successful, so I support him too)

Republicans:

You only watch Fox News?

I'm leaning towards McCain this year. I like him, he is the only one with a proven track record of BIPARTISANSHIP.... Meaning that he will get things done with Congress, he will work with them rather than trying to push an agenda.

I understand that it is naive to believe that in a corrupt world, peace will solve everything. It's always a tough choice, a less desirable choic,e but sometimes its the only way to resolve the problem.

I, unlike the majority of Americans, held a position in the US Military where I was privy to intelligence (or lack there of:) and was responsible for deciphering it,... I believe that war with Iraq was inevitable, and long overdue.... When I was in during the 90's it was fact that Iraq had WMD, and it's fact that we were unable to confirm that UNSCOM destroyed them all. Saddam had pushed UNSCOM out before they could finish.

The main difference in party's is that Republicans want smaller government, which means less taxes taken out for EVERYONE (not just the rich as some would like for you to believe). Republicans do not want their tax dollars going to support socialism programs like universal healthcare. Ask any European if they have the right to choose their own doctor, or if they have the right to determine the time/day that they can go to a medical specialist and then you will see some of the downsides of Free Healthcare. People need to stop believing bumper stickers (like one word statements, ex. 'CHANGE'), and ask the tough questions like 'CHANGE WHAT', and 'How'? To all of those who are critical of others because they're on the other side of the isle, remember that it's easier to be critical, than to be correct.

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jalee — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:47:33 GMT

I have read all the comments posted. Unfortunately most of the writers appear to be uninformed and totally emotional. At a time when reason, anaylsis and common sense ought to prevail, we are getting off the wall blow hards making preposterous and insipid comments. God help us all if this is where we are going!

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toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:48:46 GMT

Even Bill Clinton called obama a chicago thug... for once, Bill Clinton didn't lie.... WOW.

Rush Limbaugh does't endorse John McCain. Read, learn.

John McCain is a Centrist - Read and Learn.... can you do that??? I DON'T THINK SO.

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Wonder11 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:49:59 GMT

Hey Zedcar35,

Spare us your conspiracy BS. Face it you're in the minority, and the Repubs are bailing. In light of recent events...by identifying yourself as a GOPPER might not be a smart idea. It would be easier to just wear a sign, "I'm for McCain and I'm a Moron" ....to quote Bruce Willis, "Zed's Dead"

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toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:50:02 GMT

WILDLIFEUSA - i think you need an education..... study, learn.... study, learn... don't depend on the media to teach you...... study, learn..... can you do that?? I don't think so.

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Zedcar35 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:50:44 GMT

Thanks Dominguez,

I think McCain is different enough from Bush, but as of late it's becoming closer. Either way, I'm glad 8 years are over.

If all you choose to take from my post is that last line, fine by me. I think both candidates are vague and general when they speak, and that is varied from issue to issue.

And, I'm not sure that I inferred that I believe one candidate can change everything wrong with the world in my 500 character essay, but again, what you choose to take from my posts and say that I said is in itself a Maverick thing to do, and i applaud you.

The weight of my beliefs has swung me from completely undecided (McCain supporter last time around) to the Obama ticket, yes, and I'm not sure who you mean has promised me the moon, because McCain has put forth his share of empty, very lofty, promises. Then flipped on them.

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nickie lynn — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:52:22 GMT

So, Limbauch doesn't like having the tables turned on him? All he does is take statements out of context and spin them to fit what he wants his listeners (followers) to hear. And they just take in all in as gospel. While I don't like all the negative campaigning, Obama is doing what he needs to do. Like he recently said "I might not throw the first punch, but I will throw the last one".

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sarahdoodle — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:52:31 GMT

Mr. Romano,

While I do agree with you that both candidates have taken to bending the facts, I would suggest to you, sir, that Mr. Obama has had to do so in self defense. From my perspective, the media seems to report more favorably on McCain/Palin than they do on Obama/Biden. For two weeks, we saw nothing but Ms. Palin - why? Why was equal time not given to Sen. Biden? I heard Mr. McCain say on the view after being called out by Joy Behar regarding the accusation of supporting sex education for kindergarteners (seriously, do people really believe that?), and also regarding his admission that he would raise taxes --- FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE $250K OR MORE. Never, not once have I heard John McCain or Ms. Palin mention the part about over $250K. What's more, I have issue with Mrs. McCain regarding her response to Ms. Walter's question of how many homes they owned. She answered "that has nothing to do with this campaign", when in reality it does, and she and her husband made it an issue when they accused Mr. Obama of being an elitist. I would say someone born with a silver spoon in her mouth and raised as she was as opposed to a black boy born to a white mother on food stamps should not be making such accusations. Yes, Mr. Obama is an intellectually elite person - a position he worked very hard to achieve - a position that once was admired and sought after in this country. Personally, I would rather have an intellectual at the helm as opposed to the addlepated simpleton who has benn there these past eight years.

It has become very apparent to me that we have a very dumbed-down electorate in this country. I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, suggesting that Mr. Obama is perfect, but I believe he has more integrity than the other two candidates put together. The republicans have mastered manipulation of the less-educated masses. Ms. Palin scares the hell out of me and I pray for all of our sakes that Obama-Biden '08 are victorious.

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markanthis — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:52:54 GMT

Hey Jack 8590 or whatever,

the article isn't even about Palin, you moron. I don't see where Obama can do anything if he did somehow win. He doesn't know anything, can't vote on anything(notably silent). hell of a way to be a leader. The problem with this whole mess is that the media wants Obama to win and I think most of the Government/Corporate inities do too. Why would the media be giving him all this free advertisment for the last year or so. Something is just not right with this picture folks.

I have listened to Obama and he does not impress me in the least. Never answers the questioin. Just jumps around with words and this or that. But never a definitive answer. McCain gives answers no matter what. Whether that answer changes from time to time. At least it is a concrete answer. Something one can work with. Not what ifs.

I am neither for either party so I feel I can voice objectively. Mrs. Palin has really gotten a bad rap from the media and the Obamabots. Hell I would not feel bad even if she said to hell with you all and go on her merry way. This country isn't worth what she can offer. She is ignorant to most ot the political BS and the world politics. But maybe, just maybe that is what this country really needs. Someone that can say no. No more Washington/Corporate BS. The rest of the world would survive without America folks. Foreign policy. Let them run their own damn country and lets take care of ours. We have more problems here than 90 percent of the world. Other countries actual care about feeding their kids and taking care of the elderly and the homeless. It is your responsibility to take care them. As a culture and an American. So be Americans, take care of us first.

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jonmlny — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:54:02 GMT

I wish people like RRuin would learn the definition of terms before they throw them around. The term fascist (drifting to socialist) is most aptly attached to virtually all the Democrat primary candidates. Think I'm off the beam? Check any Economics 101 text.

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toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:54:13 GMT

Obama - the only candidate who needs a teleprompter everywhere he goes because the man cannot talk unless he has a written speech in front of him...... that's why he didn't want to have townhall meetings, he can't talk.....um um um um um um..... He has to meet with his advisors.... jeremiah wright, luis farrakan, and all his communist friends and his chicago thugs....... nothing to this man at all....... looking at the demographics of the people who support him, it's not hard to figure out why they are duped......

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

lauriesarno — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:54:50 GMT

partisanship smartisanship.....Obama should be allowed to throw a few double fisted ones below the belt - everybody backs him on that one. Repugs only know how to fight dirty - that's why they win dirty. As for all the GOPs saying Obama lacks enough experience to be pres........I say he was smart enough, wise enough, and EXPERIENCED enough even as a freshman senator to vote NO against the IRAQ war.

He's the one who can bring change b/c he doesn't let Washington change him!

GO Obama!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mrzoid — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:55:10 GMT

So.... negative ads huh? Thats what we're focusing on as voters? What the opposition is saying negatively about our candidate, thats the big issue?

Want to know what the National Debt is as of this post?

$9,650,604,360,604.59

How does that sit with all of you?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

cwinebarger — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:55:50 GMT

I'm supporting Obama - I consider myself independent. I've been able to claim the moral high ground in recent debates about the election. However, this very misleading ad negates the advantage we Obama supporters had in claiming that moral high ground. Very unfortunate indeed. I hope Obama goes back to keeping it relatively clean. Leave the dirt to McCain.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Zedcar35 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:56:13 GMT

Wonder11, I'm with you, Identifying yourself as a GOPPER is not smart right here.

Please re-read my posts and this time, try and picture me using GOP terms against those who believe in them.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Goheidigo — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:56:28 GMT

Posted By: loriw (September 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM)

Obama promised he was not going to run negative ads and he flip-flopped on that issue too.

Obama's ad in spanish using Limbaugh's word out of context is really the lowest form of advertising

Loriw, can't say I'm thrilled about the negativity flying around both parties, but Obama didn't start this. Hopefully he can end it though. If Obama didn't run the responses and negative ads, he will appear weak and beaten. Our country now more than ever needs a tough and diplomatic (this lacking for a good 8 yrs) leader. Perception is reality, plain and simple. I respect McCain greatly, but don't appreciate that along with his smears, he doesn't give the voters any nutritional information. So we're distracted by his punches and don't bother asking the important questions because he has distracted us. Now that's "low".

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

SteveF — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:56:51 GMT

This is great. I am actually happy to see ANY smearing done by Obama. The GOP can dish it out, but they cry like a baby when the punch comes back. The electorate responds to negative advertising and it about time that Obama and Company fired back with everything at hand. Every last principle these guys have is nothing but an attempt to maximize their power and profit. Free Markets? YES, until we get into trouble. Morals? YES, until we get a chance for sex on the side or in stalls or with pages, etc. Fiscal Restraint? YES, until we can find a way to keep spending taxpayer's money on pet projects. Support the Troops? YES, until it will cost us money to support them when their tours are up. All the while they have been in power they just WHIINE about it. And their only solution to all of this? Cut more taxes! Well, cut away boys! Soon the Chinese will own every last bit of what it took 250 years to build! Heck of a job Bushie!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:57:24 GMT

obama doesn't impress me at all..... i see him for what he is.... and i see his wife for what she is also as much as they tried to make her over after her gaffes.... didn't work.... she is still herself..... an angry black woman who detests this country...... along with her husband...... that's why they stayed at their church for over 20 years.... they believed in all that racial hatred they were listening to... they agreed with it... they thrived on it.... he was groomed by his friends for this and in the grooming however, he can't talk on his own..... they have to keep him on the path so everything they write, he repeats... that's why he can't answer questions.... that's why he can't speak without a teleprompter...... he's a joke......

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

ixmarcusd — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:58:21 GMT

FINALLY SOMEONE TAKES NOTICE

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

JCPOK — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:58:40 GMT

Another "balance" post from Romano.

This is a sickening and very damaging tendency that seems to be growing in the mainstream media - the quest for "balance" vitiates the truth.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

bluvsbjy — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:58:46 GMT

I am a 20 year career military man. I can judge and critique leadership and patriotism. First of all, John McCain has dragged this campaign into the mud and the only way for Barrack Obama to get his message across was to get a little down and dirty with him. That's called, intelligent tactics. I was and still am a supporter of President Bush. His policies stem from closely held beliefs. McCain on the other hand is a clueless puppet, who just wants to be President before he dies. I don't see any hint of leadership from this guy. If I had to follow someone into battle, I darned sure wouldn't want to follow him. There is a thing in the military called Attention to Detail. Watching McCain for the past year and learning of his history (shot down in Vietnam), we know this guy has a problem with detail. The good Pilots make it home from missions, the good Politicians don't consistently put their foot in their mouths. ie (The Economy is Strong). It's time for America to rally around a true leader and the man who has come out of nowhere to beat the status quo. He is highly intelligent and ready to lead this country. Don't let this clueless McCain and that knucklehead Palin leave our cvountry broken down in a ditch. VOTE OBAMA-BIDEN 08!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:59:43 GMT

Joe Biden's new definition of PATRIOTIC yesterday was a good one too! It's PATRIOTIC to pay more taxes! He's also a joke! A man who said that obama was not ready to be president now is running for VP and it's patriotic to pay more taxes.... wow........... i am a democrat but I will NOT support this comedy team........

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

aslan — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:00:00 GMT

If John McCain were himself, it would be ok if he won-but he is controlled by the right wing and the maverick is tired and unsure of himself in a close race and under a failed president, hello! this is when mavericks stand up, but McCain isn't a maverick-just Bush 3. At least Mac doesn't wear Christ on his sleeve while living the Darwinist dream of survival of the richest like Bush. Obama will win this election-this is the week it turned back to him. Sarah who? Bush has sealed Mac's fate unless the nations gets stupid again.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Aite Qumerican — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:00:08 GMT

answer to epso609 i appulade for your confidence in MR.OBAMA. I cannot in good faith vote for either party with their antiquited use of band aid politics . Think Brother that this congress and this adminstration with the help your party have your grandchildren and their grandchilen in hock for the next 60 years.Icannot in good faith vote for someone who's old and one is has no experience in real politics to lead our country into the next decade Is it MANIFEST DESTINTY AROUND THE WORLD or THE REBIRTH OF SOCIALISM AND THEN TO A COMMUNIST STATE OF OF GOVERMENT . And no MY BROTHER it is not the color of his skin that i won't vote Obama It is lack of experience to be able to do the POTOMAC 2 STEPS and make a real change

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

hcordov — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:00:09 GMT

As an independent I can say that Obama tried to have a more civilized campaign. However, during the month of August, especially after the Republican convention, McCain began throwing massive punches under the belt, and UNFORTUNATELY THE MEDIA failed to expose them open. The low blows gave McCain more popularity, and now Obama had to do the same. Cleaning our politics is not a job for politicians alone; the MEDIA has to play a more RESPONSIBLE role as well.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

daMann — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:00:09 GMT

Hmmm. In the real world without college degrees McCain and Palin would be destined to work and retire from McDonalds. Good role models.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Surroundedbyidiots — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:05 GMT

No 'oneamerican' I am far from an idiot. McCain has been bashing Obama since day one. And do you really want to go there with flip flops?! Or would you rather I list McCain & Palins flat out LIES. Bridge to Nowhere, Comprehensive Kindergarden Sex Ed, etc. I could go on for paragraphs, but it won't change your opinion, so I won't waste the keystrokes. You can cry media bias all you want, but when people who once admired you and wrote glowing biographies and columns about you turn on you because your are a dishonorable liar, then you know you have a little honesty problem. I am referring to McCain by the way.

Unfortunately for the country, the idiots, of which I am not one, will probably decide the outcome of this election and the country will be in even worse shape then the Rethugs have left it in now. The Rethugs race baiting, lying and smear tactics will probably deliver them victory because the country is full of idiots like you. And if, God forbid that happens, you will have the country you deserve. Unfortnately for the rest of us, we will also have to live in this country with you and we will be powerless to save it from McSame and the Hockey Mom that doesn't even know what the VP does. But hey... thats okay because she can see Russia from her house!!!

May God help us all!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:27 GMT

obama's campaign started the dirt long before mccain's camp started the dirt...... obama, the racist... his wife is a racist as well.... oh yes, he is the true unifier, isn't he? LIES..... he is a liar and a THUG.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Loden Green — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:38 GMT

McCain has now become irrevocably linked with lies and deceptive campaign advertising. This Sapnish language ad isn't going to that or the unfavorable perception of McCain as one who plays fast and loose with the truth.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

oldefarte — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:01:54 GMT

OMG! Twice in one day, MSNBC has actually run fairly balanced reports on the campaign. If you keep this up, I may actually be able to once again refer to you as "journalists".

I don't think you have to laud or support McCain, but a bit of balance in the coverage and commentary is always appreciated. Your coverage of Sen. Obama has trended, at times, toward hagiography, so I simply had to compliment you on your recent attempts to reintroduce a measure of objectivity. Thank you.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:02:30 GMT

obama has a law degree from harvard... doesn't make you intelligent.... others have gone to harvard as well..... too bad the same standards don't apply to others who hold the same degrees.... get a life

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

prolife voter for McCain/Palin 08 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:02:48 GMT

In response to epso609's comments,

finally someone else who has noticed that we only hear Mr Obama referred toas a black man. As a mother of a biracial child (half white, half black) I try to teach my son to be proud of both his skin colors. Which causes me to be suprised that Mr Obama never bothers to correct people about his race. So I can only come to one conclusion, he's going after the black vote by forgetting that he's also white.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:03:16 GMT

Posted By: JCPOK (September 19, 2008 at 3:58 PM)

Another "balance" post from Romano.

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Nope, no bias there :/

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

toni57 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:03:35 GMT

surroundedbyidiots, you are an idiot and you are surrounded by yourself.....study and learn...can you do that? I don't think so.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mrzoid — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:05:36 GMT

2007:

Murders- 16,929 (Over 46 per day)

Forcible Rape- 90,427 (Over 247 per day)

Robbery- 445,125 (Over 1219 per day)

Aggravated Assault- 855,856 (Over 2344 per day)

But please, lets keep talking about negative campaign ads.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

usersuz1 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:06:05 GMT

Fair enough on the immigration issue; but that begs the question, Which immigration policy would a President McCain follow? His own, or the one spelled out in the Republican Party platform?

Second, forget the the 'sending jobs overseas' charge: is it true that McCain voted for the bill that deregulated the commercial and investment banking industry, which is now a house of cards, falling, falling... This is the deregulation that gripes my gut. Those U.S. companies now doing business overseas will come back (and have already started to come back) to America without cutting their tax rates simply because the cost of fuel to ship products around the world is rising, rising...

Third, this is really rude, but I have to say it: Does McCain use botox? Look at his neck and then look at his face. Whadya think?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

susie from somewhere — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:06:31 GMT

I'm surprised that obammie knew what fire was, michelle must have had a talk and drew him a picture of fire.Wonder if she is proud of her country yet, if not wish she would leave. We only need proud americans in office. She certainly didn't hesitate to take advantage of the education american has. biden needs to rake his own back yard before he starts taking pot shots at palin, Still waiting to hear just what obammie's CHANGES are, AND I HAVE READ EVERYTHING ICAN FIND HE HAS SAID and it still sounds like a pile of ###, so i still say VOTE RON PAUL haven't heard any of his family say they weren't proud to be americans.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Aite Qumerican — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:06:42 GMT

esop609 your last post had u leaning left the way i read it apologize if i offened you in any way

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

INDY PENDANT — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:06:55 GMT

JOHN MCCAIN IS REALLY STARTING TO BE ERRATIC HIS COMMENTS FROM ONLY A DAY OR SO AGO ARE NOW COMPLETE FLIPFLOPS.....i CHECKED HIS WEB SITE AND FOUND A POSTING FROM HIS DOCTORS AT FIRST THEY THOUGHT HE HAD ALTZHEIMERS DISEASE THEN THEY REALIZED HE IS JUST REALLY DUMB

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Zedcar35 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:07:30 GMT

Part of me wants to hear what Toni thinks makes Obama a racist. The other part wants to see Toni revealed as a racist in the process. Did you go to Harvard? How were their standards during your time there?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:07:39 GMT

Qualifier: I am voting for Obama. OBAMA 08!!!!!

Here's Obama's problem:

He is not leading. If he wanted to lead, he would have come out from the start and said, "I don;t care what McCain does, I'm not going to take the low road."

Instead, he is listening to "his advisors" who are telling him to hit back. The problem with that is he is not being himself. He doesn;t want to hit back and you can tell, everytime you see him do it, that it is painful for him....yet he allows it to happen. To me, that translates to leadership.

I wish he would forget McCain and talk issues with the American people. We want to hear what he thinks and we want to be inspired. More than anything we want to be led. He has NO FRIGGIN IDEA how easy it would be to lead us. Especially after the past 8 years of Bozo the Clown.

Last, McCain is the furthest thing froma leader I have seen run for president in at least.....oh well 4 years, anyway LOL. His pick of this lame governor from Alaska is proof positive that he has no idea how to lead. For heaven's sake you have to listen to him every hour of they day to see where he stands on an issue - because as the news changes, he changes his views.

OBAMA 08

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

clintonpaulp — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:08:22 GMT

It might help if the Obama supporters out there would quit sobbing, wailing and whining and listen to what is being said. Maybe then you could recognize the truth! It would also help if you could learn to spell, use complete sentences and correct grammar!

A Democratic President has got us involved in every war and military action since WWII! Then there is "Cigar Gate"! Now you want to make a law professor President!?!?!?! When this country was first founded very few of the representatives were lawyers. Now, almost everyone in both houses and the cabinet are lawyers! It seems the more lawyers there are in office the deeper the country slides. That is a bipartisan comment, by the way! Maybe the best thing to do is outlaw lawyers holding public offices.

Take a look at which party has more minorities serving in the cabinet. Which party has nominated more minorities to appointed jobs?

I have always believed that the Press is SUPPOSED TO BE the watch dog of society. Now I believe its the junk yard dog of the Democratic Party.

I was a Democrat for 25 years. My wife was a Democrat for 21 years. We both just recently changed our party affiliation to being Republican.

Oh, for all of you labor supporters out there, What percentage of U.S. jobs left the country with NAFTA? Slick Willy did it for ya, didn't he? Of course he's the one primarily responsible for reducing our military to a dangerous level. Do you know one of the reasons the Marine Barracks in Beirut was damaged so badly and so many were killed. Madeline Albright got the wonderful idea that the way the Marine Officers had set up the perimeter of the building would shock the conscience of the international community. Clinton approved it and hundreds of Marines died because they were inadequately defended. Hey, they were right there with Eleanor Roosevelt. She wanted to disband the Marine Corp. Eleanor wasn't successful but Slick Willy and Maddy killed quite a few!

For all of you who are screaming lies, lies, lies!!!!!! There are a few history books you haven't re-written yet. You know, the ones that still tell the truth!

What was that I just heard, It was the sudden inhale of thousands of Dems and "Free Press", getting ready to scream foul! Some people believe if you tell a lie enough times it will become truth. The truth is still the truth, no matter what.

Very respectfully submitted,

Clinton

PS, I wonder if this will actually get posted?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

prettiplus — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:08:38 GMT

Do you want Barack Obama to become another John Kerry? Letting the GOP knock him below the belt and not responding. For once in an election, Democrats are fighting back and I must tip my hat off to them. I am a Republican, but I am voting for Obama because it is time for a CHANGE. Remember, Barack came up with the term first. We see that the "HAVE" and the "HAVE NOT" system of government is not working. Let's make the change we need. Please American, use you hearts and your conscience this election. Put aside race, greed, gender, etc. VOTE RESPONSIBLY!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

oroti — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:09:07 GMT

So it is okay to tie Obama to radical accquaintances but not Mccain to Rush Limbaugh. You get what you ask for. Mccain started it, Obama can play that game too.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

nerakami — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:09:35 GMT

There is clearly a double standard as it seems that Obama has to walk a finer line than McCain. As many have already noted, McCain has lied, deceived and taken this campaign to the ridiculous. And now the spotlight is on Obama because he like McCain, is fighting to win this election...

The media has concluded that attack politics work. McCain has been attacking in the most dishonorable manner from day one. The media belittles Obama's high road telling the public, he has no back bone, he cannot close the deal, he needs to fight back.... and now that he does, you all want something else from him.... tell me, now you want him to walk on water or something?

Please stop this nonsense. the Republicans can't take what they themselves dish out... whiners the lot of them.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Not_Rich — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:10:03 GMT

Fine, it points out blatant lying by Obama also, but still doesn't address the issue, why is MSM picking apart every sylable and nuance since grade school and throwing it with tabloid glee on every front page but turning a blind eye to Obama? This isn't anything new, I've seen previous articles where the MSM acknowledges the disparity, YET, NOTHING IS DONE. Obviously, fairness in reporting is not part of the medias mode of operation. Media bias and the self serving pushing of their personal agenda is probably on of the most damaging parts and greatest danger to our political system. When the people lose trust in what they're reading and seeing from the media they revert to making decisions on feeling instead of facts.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Goheidigo — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:10:26 GMT

Posted By: toni57 (September 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM)

Obama - the only candidate who needs a teleprompter everywhere he goes because the man cannot talk unless he has a written speech in front of him......

Yes and let's not forget Palin's homecoming in Alaska. For hours thousands waited for her to arrive. She did finally in her campaign jet. Palin spoke for just short of 15 minutes and would you believe with a teleprompter secured to her hip and ever since. This was reported by some of her fans who were disappointed that they waited for so long for so little. To them I say join the club. Say what you will about Obama, but the other side is far from Camelot. If they didn't have slams against Obama apparently they'd have nothing to say to the crowds at all.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

fatheroffive — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:10:29 GMT

Sarahdoodle--how can you possibly believe what you're saying. You absolutely highlight the fact that people can and will see whatever they want? Sure Sarah Palin was in the news for two weeks...with everyone in the media trying to come up with a scandal, complaint, or conspiracy to sink her.

Man, you're the reason why the average American scares the heck out of me. Even the most rabid kool-aid drinking obamamaniacs i've seen draw the line at simply trying to fend off comments by folks claiming media bias...but i've never seen ANYONE claim the bias actually exists in reverse. UNBELIEVABLE...simply UNBELIEVABLE.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

DaProf — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:11:08 GMT

Why do you think Obama chose to go extra sleazy in Spanish ads?

He didn't expect the media to notice.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

kumi13 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:11:10 GMT

OBAMA HAHAHAHAHAHA The only thing this man is going to change is how people get taxed. The rich should pay more because they worked harder to get what they have so they should have to support everyone else sounds a little socialist to me. I only take home $45,000 a year and my wife takes home about the same we are lower middle class. I don’t want someone else’s money to support me, I may not be rich and I may struggle from time to time but I’m doing it on my own. The government isn’t my provider I am! I may also not be the smartest person but I know one thing just because someone is doing better then me doesn’t give me the right to leech on to his or her success by making them carry the majority of the countries burden. When will people learn that the government isn’t hear to baby sit us, oh you don’t have a job here take some money for unemployment, oh you’re an alien in our country just making ends meat, here is a house and some food.

I have lost jobs in the past and I have never gone on unemployment I found a job within 2 to 3 days any job not waiting to look for something in my field. Give a stray dog some food and they will keep coming back for more, that’s all unemployment is a free hand out that does nothing but encourage failure, and if you vote for someone that thinks by taxing people more, because they make more money then you, then you are nothing more then a leech. I know I will get criticized about this rant but this is the way I was raised! If you want to make something of yourself you and you alone are the one that has to make it happen. When you have to start depending on others to make your life better then you have failed. Help is good from time to time, but becoming dependent on help is nothing more then failure!!! Unfortunately I cannot vote present on Election Day I live in Illinois and I already know that Obama has won this state my vote means very little but I will still vote for someone besides Obama.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:11:28 GMT

Posted By: daMann (September 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM)

Hmmm. In the real world without college degrees McCain and Palin would be destined to work and retire from McDonalds. Good role models.

You can't be an officer, a jet pilot, in the U.S. Navy without a degree.. . McCain graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958, so either you're blatently full of lies to pull votes for Obama, or you're on your lunch break from McDonalds... Which is it?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:11:54 GMT

Question: Why is it that John McCain and all his supporters think Sen Obama is supposed to cater to him/them?

Case and point 1: When McCain was at the volunteerism forum, he stated that he was saddened about the negative tone of the campaign. BUT that (paraphasing here) 'THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF SEN OBAMA HAD ACCEPTED MY PROPOSAL TO DO TOWN HALL MEETINGS'...OBAMA is his own MAN and a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. He is free to make the decision that is WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. Not be told when to do something.

Case and point 2: When Pres Jimmy Carter was overseas speaking with "radicals," John McCain actually said to the media that "Sen Obama should tell Mr Carter to stop..." YOU TELL MR CARTER TO STOP.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THE MAN WHO IS THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, AND IN THE LEAD, IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE ORDERS FROM THE GUY WHO'S NUMBER 2.

Sen Clinton made the same mistake. By saying Sen Obama could be her VP...Well, I guess that's why she's NOT his.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

gendos — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:12:41 GMT

It is rally hard to argue with the facts that Republicans and current administration landing a golden parachute to big corporation, letting there managers (who drove this companies to a crash) leave with big checks and no responsibilities taken. No fees, indictments or otherwise punishment. At the same time little guys denied there rights to fight with lenders or protect there self from bancropcy. Not everybody that smart and able to protect there self, here where government should step up. Otherwise why we paying taxes and need a government? To decide how many taxpayers money they will divert to crazy puppets they put around the world to fight another war, kill there own citizen and call it keep country intackt?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:12:53 GMT

Please stop this nonsense. the Republicans can't take what they themselves dish out... whiners the lot of them.

...

Wow, re-read your first sentence.. . Then read the very last sentence... . What a hipocrite you are

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Gypsy0126 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:13:26 GMT

The McCain campaign has never said that Obama is a Muslim. And Senator Obama has played the race card in the primary. The halo on the head of Obama has gotten tarnished, and the MSM is screaming about it. Sorry, guys, I'm a dem, and a Clinton Supporter. You are as hateful and biased now as you have ever been.

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candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:14:03 GMT

Also, I want to tell all those "regular" people who are voting for McCain....

DONALD TRUMP JUST ENDORSED MCCAIN (WED) ON LARRY KING LIVE...

This should give you an IDEA of WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM A MCCAIN ADMINISTRATION

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kw200 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:14:11 GMT

Finally. Thank you. The only thing I really disagree with is the implication that Obama just started distorting. But hopefully, most Americans (pn both sides and in the middle) are too smart to get their information about a candidate from their rival. Then again,,,

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

wi4mccain — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:04 GMT

So Obama can use Rush's words (out of context no less) and tie them to McCain. So let's see, that means McCain should come back with an ad that uses good ol' Jerry Wright's words and say they are really BO's; or how about Pfleger's words; or how about Ayer's activities and say they are BO's or then there's Resnick's and the list could go on and on. I really don't think BO's campaign should go down this road.

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DUMPLIN — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:22 GMT

OBAMA USES SARCASM, INUENDO, AND DOWNRIGHT FALSEHOODS. AT LEAST MCCAIN BRINGS TO LIGHT TRUTHS ABOUT OBAMA AND HIS GETTING MONEY FROM FREDDIE MAC AND FANNIE MAE (SECOND LARGEST RECIPIENT) AND HIS ECONOMIC LEANINGS WHICH ARE TO HAVE GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER AND RUN EVERYTHING FROM MORTGAGES, BANKS, GAS COMPANIES, ETC. RAISE YOUR TAXES AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU. WELL NO THANKS, I CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF UNLESS GOVERNMENT ROBS ME BLIND BY TAXING EVERYTHING THROUGH THE ROOF TO THE POINT I CAN'T AFFORD ANYTHING AND THEN THEY SHOW THEIR "COMPASSION" BY "TAKING CARE OF ME" THE LATEST IS HACKING (CRIMINAL) INTO SARAH PALIN'S PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNT. IF NEWS PEOPLE WERE UPSET ABOUT WATERGATE, WHY AREN'T THEY UPSET AND UP IN ARMS OVER THIS? OBAMA ISN'T INDIGNANT ABOUT IT, HE PROBABLY IS HOPING THAT SOMETHING WILL SURFACE THAT HE CAN USE AGAINST HER. AND WHAT IS THIS ENCOURAGING OF HIS SUPPORTERS TO ARGUE, AND GET IN PEOPLE'S FACES ABOUT VOTING FOR HIM. WHAT IS HE TRYING TO DO, GET PEOPLE TO RIOT FOR HIM AND INTIMIDATE THOSE OF US WHO OPPOSE HIM? THUG, THUG, THUG,

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Final Arbiter — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:49 GMT

To Hell with McCain and the horse he rode in on. He has spent his whole campaign badmouthing Obama about everything, to the point McCain's new persona is anything but honorable. He is simply a lying bastard in everything he says, and deserves any and all punches returned by Obama.

McCain is a disgrace to the military uniform and disgraces us all every time he speaks.

And then there is palin, who doesn't even deserve a capital letter beginning her name......sheesh!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:56 GMT

Posted By: candi630 (September 19, 2008 at 4:11 PM)

Question: Why is it that John McCain and all his supporters think Sen Obama is supposed to cater to him/them?

Case and point 2: When Pres Jimmy Carter was overseas speaking with

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Why do liberals think that whoever YELLS THE LOUDEST wins the arguement? Code Pink, Moveon.org, Anti-War Protesters, AND CANDI630!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Donkey22 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:16:00 GMT

I think it is pretty disgusting that these two "Go nowhere" Politicians are the only options for president. We have an old Senator out of touch that has no idea what he is doing and a moron that says he does know....at least one can admit he has no idea instead of ramping up useless rhetoric about nothing. I mean..the usual Obama course....this is from the guy that got elected to his position then hung around Washington until he decided to run for pres...at least McCain crossed party lines alot..even though that is scary. Waste of American time with these two Donkies. They can raise all this money to obtain the title but where was this effort and money to combat civic issues prior to election time? Are either of these worth the air time and print time? If this is the best we have for the job....America....we are in for some worse trouble than we are in now.....sickening is what it is.

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elrud — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:16:14 GMT

Profile voter for MCCAin - You ar forgetting that it i sthw whites of this country who tendered and acted out the premise tha if one has 3 drops of black blood, then that person is black. Your lack of knowledge is showing. Your child will experience the same treatment any other brown or black experiences because white American omly sees the outside of a person. They are too blind to look at the heart. Obama has never sid he was not proud of his other heritage. It American whites who called him black CAreful now, your attitude can only harm your child.

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:17:25 GMT

disclaimer - I am white.

susie - I think if you had grown up in this country as a person of color, specifically as an African American, you might better understand how someone might say they are "for the first time" proud of their country.

Michelle has taken enough crap over this; it's ridiculous. She's Princeton, he's Columnia undergrad. He went to Harvard Law - and I think she did too (isn;t that where they met?) For goodness sake, she comes from South Chicago. He comes from a single parent. They both know the struggles and trials of lower class Americans, from a minority point of view.

Before you throw stones at her, why don;t you try walking around in her shoes.

You, and all American, should know better than that. Shame on you.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

herewego — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:17:34 GMT

I thinks its hilarious. Obama fell right in line with what the Republicans wanted him to do. As long as he played Mr. Nice guy, then the Republicans couldn't say exactly what Obama is and about his background without looking mean etc....I can't wait for the month of October. Get ready for some really good commercials from the GOP. And I can assure each and every one of you that the truth about Obama will come out and that the truth can be backed up. Frankly, I will be very disappointed if the Republicans do not tell how Obama stumped for his cousin the Kenyan Prime Minister who committed the worst genocide in Africa's history by having Muslims kill and burn christians of his own race in a church, how Obama and his wife trained teenagers and college kids that they should not want to work for private organizations, that the only thing that was right was working for free for the gov't, and how Obama took money from Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac presidents to look the other way when McCain tried to tell Congress that it was coming. All of these facts can be backed up....Just look on the internet.

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icurlamer — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:18:12 GMT

Obama's done a better job of keeping campaign ads clean,and at least are reasonable in response to all of Mcain's silly ads about celebrity's and such.While Mccain's ads have been outright lies.Lies about Obam'as tax plan,about sex ed for babies, how he votes and the liptick comment out of context.Mcain has proven how hypocritical he is and how clueless he is,and just because he now is copying Obama has much as possible to try and steal his real change with say anything to get elected campaign first politics.I would very much like to hear about Senator Mcain's history in the state he represents Arizona and find how what he has done for them in the 26 yrs he has been in Washington representing them.

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rearley1980 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:18:23 GMT

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I, to this day, am still dumbfounded and shocked when I see these kinds of posts on blogs. It amazes me that there is such nastiness in people and that they feel the need to push this type of ridiculous drivel on us all, especially in response to a reporting you see in Newsweek. I turn your attention to bluvsbjy and his comments. Here's a military man who is still a Bush supporter, but who is humble enough to recognize the better candidate from the two we currently have. I commend you sir on your comments and you have my respect. Thank you for your years of service to this great country and also for your insight.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

markanthis — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:18:43 GMT

I think toni57 is going to explode here shortly folks. Be careful and don't get any on you.

Last thing for today. If Obama wins, America will be no more. Revelations Baby!!! Read them.

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Becerrazoo — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:18:47 GMT

It is interesting how it is conceived that McCain fired the first shot of negative ads. I clearly remember OBAMA being the first by lying and saying McCain wanted a 100 year war of which was intirely not true. Obama tries to play the victim and fools all of you. When Sarah Palin referred to Community Organizers that was in defense of what Obama said about small town Mayors and they were equal Community organization. What she can't defend her hard work. As far as lipstick on a pig OMG his audience was thinking what everyone else thought, It was their response that confirmed he was eluding to Gov Palin. Let's face it this has been an ugly campaign. Remember what OBAMA did to Hillary, you all forget very easily. Poor innocent Obama, are you kidding me. He smeared Hillary and you all think he is angelic with McCain? McCain is the lone bad guy!!?? Have you all read who has inspired Obama in his life? Communist and Socialist that's who. Universal Health care, if you don't like how much you pay now for taxes, Whrere do you think they are going to get the money for this? Come on people McCain is not Bush what a lame argument. Biden has been in office forever what has he done, he is running for change too? Speaking of which why so many haters of Palin. She is a good person you are so evil. With your fangs showing and drooling when her name is mentioned. They behavior of the far left has been disguting when it comes to her. Just with that alone... I am voting McCain /Palin

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

DUMPLIN — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:18:50 GMT

THE CORPORATION BAIL OUT, THOSE CORPORATIONS WERE HEADED UP BY DEMOCRATS. WHERE IS PELOSI AND REID? THEY LEFT TOWN BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE. THEY PROBABLY GOT PAYOUTS FROM THEM AS WELL. IF MSN AND OTHER NEWS PEOPLE WOULD DO THEIR JOB AND FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE FOUND TO BE TRUE

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pastafar — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:34 GMT

I will not judge Obama negatively on this until I see that he has actually lied. At this point he has not and, while I don't like the use of the Limbaugh quotes, McCain is moving more toward Limbaugh every day. That awful Palin pick proves it. McCain is trying to have it both ways, embracing idiotic neocon filth while pretending that he is still a Maverick. Unfortunately the press only reports on narratives anymore and never fact-checks anything.

Your editorial finallly does a little bit, but once again, in an effort to be fair to the old hero, you have made it look like both men are guilty of the same thing. McCain and his Rovians are actually lying in their ads. Full out, no holds barred lies. While Obamas ads are finally starting to hit back again they are noth the filthy odious steaming piles that McCain is dropping.

Fact is, McCain is finished. Even Palin is saying she is at the top of the ticket. He doesn't know where Spain is, He thinks he can put the blame for this whole financial thing on Cox at the SEC(who the president can't fire anyway), he can no longer remember what he is for and against. Apparently he just wants to be president because it is his turn. I'm afraid this job is too important to trust to somebody who is morally confused and factually challenged. All he has to offer is fearmongering and not so subtle race bating that is getting a little tiresome. I used to have some respect for McCain. It is long gone.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

rlk42 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:57 GMT

Cry me a river Romano and all you right-wing whiners.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Zedcar35 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:21:05 GMT

I nominate Rearley1980 for president...my thoughts exactly sir ( or ma'am, sorry ).

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

ccbarletta — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:21:57 GMT

I am so proud that someone in the MSM has finally applied the same standard to Obama that has been applied to McCain all along. I am curious to see which, if any media outlets follow the example of Newsweek on this. The sad part is that the American people lose out with all the one sided media coverage. Obama wants fariness, well, it is only fair for the MSM to cover both campaigns equally and leave their bias at the door.. Yeah right.

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chuku26 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:22:14 GMT

In security, there is a saying " a decision is better than no decision". Since the financial crisis on Monday, Obama has failed to come out with an economic plan (short-term and long-term).

More to this, he acknowledged the American populace of announcing his economic plan today, after he has met with his economic advicers. Today, he mentioned that he is not rushing his plan, but playing a "wait and gain" to see the federal plan and examine it before publishing or announcing his plan.

At this time, we don't need empty political prepositions just to score political points. We need a leader who is prepared to respond to crisis immdeiately.

Attacking McCain that he is part of the problem that we are encountering, is making mockery out of the situation. According to Center of Political Responsive, Obama received the highest amount of campaign finance and (D) Senator Dodd came second from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

Based on the aforementioned, as a Democrat,I will not vote this coming Presidential election.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:22:44 GMT

Posted By: candi630 (September 19, 2008 at 4:14 PM)

Also, I want to tell all those "regular" people who are voting for McCain....

DONALD TRUMP JUST ENDORSED MCCAIN (WED) ON LARRY KING LIVE...

This should give you an IDEA of WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM A MCCAIN ADMINISTRATION

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Wow Candi.. Again you post a dumb comment, go figure....oh yeah, you're voting for 'change' I forgot. Personally when I see a very successful person (Donald Trump as your example), who made their fortune through business, (not the entertainment industry) and making smart business decisions, I ask myself why would he vote this way... I then research it, so I make an intelligent decision... You on the other hand I would place a good bet that you're a liberal activist who thinks everything's a conspiracy against you..... and that you're bi-polar.

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Hermanism — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:15 GMT

What happened to Obama's promise to usher in a new sort of politics about lifting us up instead of tearing each other down. Once again, it appears that Obama is long on promises and short of action.

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candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:35 GMT

TO JOKE:

Actually, your friend on this board "Dumpling" is the one who is yelling the loudest.....

AND, if I may add this, I am actually not YELLING!!!! LMAO :)

I am actually making sure what I have to say doesn't get lost in this sea of insanity.

Just as you all keep talking about how asking Palin for qualifications is SEXIST....I think saying Obama can't defend himself is INSANE..

AND YES, I DO LOVE THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON

TOODLES:)

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Harvard white guy — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:24:14 GMT

The republican mind is a mind that can easily be distorted by cheap, below the waist blows. They are extremely arrogant, a party of the ignorant, a party of the few rich white folks and a few black wannabes, a party that has followers that like to stick to guns and religion, a party that believes in mocking, belittling, mudslinging, taser gun, you-aint-white-enough type of politics and a party full of unbelievably obnoxiuos, fat, smelly, pigs on lipstick, more for me, none for you morons. They have a mindset that firmly believes that if the end of rule for a white man is near, then a white woman should follow suit. An AA will never rule this country, not until atleast a white woman has ruled. This is how they think. Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh are the Alfa dogs and architecs of such ideologies. David Duke are the engineers and think tanks of such ideologies; the KKK is always the behind the scene enforcers, except wihtout the hoods. Think I am lying, look closely at Sara Palin's Wasilla ascent. Look closely at her abortion rights stand, look closely at her stand on guns and religion. Once you are done, do a little research on the KKK and it's roots, then dig deeper on the republican ideologue. Research on it's activity over time and then make your own conclusion. An educated mind is oblivious to ignorance and for the republicans, ignorance is bliss. McCain was bus tossed in 2000 by the republican party and vowed never to take somebofy through what he called a pig fight, and now it is amazing they are fighting through the sewer. But what fascinates is that for generations, there are individuals within the white community who have never realized that republican policies without the morality issues, has never offered anything to them. The united states is slowly becoming a slightly center right country and to be caught to far to the right who be talking old politics. I predict it will be a while for the republican party to captute any presidency from now on, starting with this one. On the other hand the democrats should never be too liberal because the values close to the average American are never anything that far left. There should be a compromise. For the former Clinton backers who now support McCain; you are all a bunch of biggots, you just never realized who you were until now. Get out of that racist thing, because if you dont, no matter which way the presidency goes, Ms Clinton will never be president of this country. You will have yourself to blame, because all the Obama supporters when that time comes, will vote for whom ever Ms clinton is running against, unless ofcourse it's Palin; for that reason, I dont see anybody going to the polls.

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jwtrotman — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:25:25 GMT

Why is it the media and mccain campaign whine when the heat is applied to his campaign? When Senator Obama visited several European countries recently he was BRANDED as a "celebrity, an elitist, acting as though he were the sitting president, ad infitnitum. He was forever criticized for the "bitter" remark and still is riled for it. Let's not even mention The Rev. Wright fiasco. Of course, now Senator Obama's campaign is accused of slamming McCain too hard. Every word and action spoken and conducted by Senator Obama's campaign is meticulously scrutinized by the mcshames to the extent one would think it borders on treason. To even SUGGEST Senator Obama's campaign was party to the troopergate investigative CIRCUS HINGES ON GROSS INSANITY. How is it the mcbush wannabes can throw a punch but CRY FOUL when a punch is thrown in return? WHERE I COME FROM, IF SOMEONE HITS YOU, YOU HIT THEM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

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lisa h — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:26:16 GMT

Is it just me or is it sad that we are splitting hairs over whose campaign is the meanest? Is this truly what our country has come to? Show me an ad that states what changes each candidate is going to make, how they are going to help this country's economic situation, and what their firm plan is to end the senseless loss of lives in a war that shouldn't be and I'll start to listen. Until then all the game playing is a meaningless battle of campaign fronts. Time to grow up...name calling and finger pointing aren't becoming on anyone at any age.

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wi4mccain — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:26:38 GMT

I think Obama's waffling all week on making any economic stands is really is way of trying to vote "Present" again. He's done it so many times in the past when there was something tough to deal with that he doesn't know how to handle things any other way........

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candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:26:57 GMT

And Obama WAS running a different type of campaign...But, when he didn't fight back...all I read on blogs was people complaining about how he was too weak to defend the country...he didn't know how to fight....etc...

NOW, HE'S FIGHT BACK...AND REPUBS CAN'T TAKE IT...YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS...

OH HOW I LOVE IT....

Now,, I'm really going, I've got to get back to my real life---trying to sell my home in a market where people don't have any $$$---and that's everyones fault, not dems or repubs...there is enough blame to go around for all.....

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thammondwis — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:28:28 GMT

I've seen a lot of "discussion" about economics in this blog. I tend to compare Capitalism to Evolution and Socialism to Creationism. Capitalism and evolution are both based on survial of the fitest theory, while socialism and creationism are both based on moral and greater good theory.

The liberal left attacks Capitalism while the religious right attacks Evolution. The irony kills me!

Unity '08

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Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:29:04 GMT

Posted By: Harvard white guy

wow... nonsense:

Once you are done, do a little research on the KKK and it's roots, then dig deeper on the republican

I can't believe that you put this....

Here's a factoid for you Harvard White Guy::

ONLY 62% of Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act, vs. 92% of Republicans.....

-pw

This is fact.

Here's another fact:

Abe Lincoln was a Republican, his party freed the slaves in America

Shame on you for trying to play a race card here Silly Partisan Harvard White Guy

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EducatedAmerican6914 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:33:20 GMT

herewego - do you also believe that the govnerment is beind 9/11? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

Excellent article. Unfortunately, many Americans are not intelligent or educated enough to understand how things like the economy, politics, and law. The framers of the Constitution argued about this very issue and many doubted that it would last very long. I am very much in the Obama camp but I am trying to stay "fair and balanced"...i wish there were more sites like Factcheck.org

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Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:33:34 GMT

Even as we see our politicians pretend to put partisanship out of the way they still are missing the point. Yes CEO salaries and Corporate loop holes are a problem. Yes the Credit mess is a disaster. But buying up all of these loans and floating these companies with tax dollars does not cure the breach. The problem is that the industries are controlled by the illusion of supply and demand. Equity in homes is gained by the resale value of your neighbors home and not the investment of capital into of your own. A realistic system to calculate value of things is required. For everything not a perceived value. Neith candidate understands this. So in a sense all parties involved are out of touch. Neither has a plan. Neither is willing to do what is necessary. What is necessary is:

1. Medical Insurance should be socialized .When you go to the hospital you go and dont pay a thing. everyone pays 1 flat amount every month. And believe me it will be less than you pay now. Your employer will no longet have to foot the bill for insurance. AND Health Care providers can stop wasting money on advertizing and collections as the GOV will dictate Prices. Doctors will still be in business and Hospitals will RE Focus on medicine and not on the BOTTOM LINE.

2. Regulate energy. Big Business should never have been allowed to monopolize this. The gov should run this as non profit and provide the things we need for prices we can afford. It is obvious that OIL price does not make price nor does demand as when the price of oil FELL the price for gas went up by my house. The price should be predicated on the cost to make and provide NOT on the day of the week, closeness to the freeway or losses at the onsite convenience store.

3. Give a 1billion dollar grant to a company that can mass produce a car that is under $20K that does not run on gas goes 65 MPH and can travel 200+ miles before refueling by 2010. That should make people move.

4. Dont have people trained on WAR go to places and keep the peace. Results are historically negative.

5. Reduce Welfare benefits to 90 days a year. This will motivate people to work as there is no public free ride. Treat it like unemployment.

6. Do not allow wage increases for politicians to be decided by politicians. I dont vote for my pay increase.

7. All government must be itemized. no more in debt spending. Have accountants make a budget not politicans

8. Make laws that make sense. Gun Bans that allow assault weapons "with waiting periods" arent really keeping them off the street. We should realize there is no magic pill politics. So having to include Louisiana Flood Victims in a bill so it can pass doesnt really serve the masses does it?

DOES ANYONE HEAR ME?

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kiki4everlasting — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:34:36 GMT

DUMPLIN....as a Democrat, a mother, and a black woman, I'm disgusted by your accusations of "bullying voters" "rioting" and calling our next president a "THUG"?? (WTF?) it actually is offensive and downright racist. I'm surprised you didn't pull a Bill O'Reilly and use the word lynch while you were at it!

He is anything but, and if nothing else is finally at a point in this campaign to be able to be on the offense. Mud slinging from the Republican campaign started from day 1- especially after the PALIN VP pick of a lifetime. Inexperienced in an already well known corrupt government she keeps her friends in high places, hides government relevant emails using the internet (which if she was smart at all she wouldn't have done.....hackers are unstoppable in many incidents, especially web based mail, geesh) and has been coached, though not well on how to get around questions like her town hall appearance yesterday. An "Average American" asked her to rebut the comments about her lack of experience....I heard I'm ready, I have readiness, and we are ready to lead.....I'm sorry but HOW exactly does that explain how you have foreign policy experience?? Give me a break, Republicans that were and are so based on their personal political views, but is a smart thinking individual even see past this! Hegel's comment said it all, and he's a REPUB. Hey, here's a question, can you see Russia from your house too? Maybe that means we can engage in war with them- they can get together with Iran, China, and North Korea and America as we know it will no longer exist. THAT'S what we will be dealing with under a MCPAIN administration. Wake up and use your brain.

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candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:44 GMT

But before I go, one last thing on the economy:

If the problems with the economy could have been fixed with a plan that was devised in a day or a week, don't you all think it would have been done?

Let's be honest with ourselves here...this IS the TIME TO CHANGE the way things are being run and WE DO NEED to take SMART, DECISIVE, THOUGHT-OUT action.

We can't continue with this COWBOY, WILD-WILD-WESTesque type-politics...

Be Smart...Don't make the same mistake again---CHOOSING SOMEONE WHO ACTS AND SPEAKS BEFORE THEY THINK.

Some decisions require major thought, reflection, and a workable plan.

That's all I have for today...Thank you everyone and May God Bless You ALL...

(wow, i managed to say more on this board about the economy than both mccain and palin combined)

See YA:)

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James Lee — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:56 GMT

Ms. Sarah Doodle,

If you believe that Barack Obama will limit his tax increase to those persons making $250K or more per year, you are nothing more than an "addlepated simpleton."

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St. Germain — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:36:25 GMT

Why does John McCain keep winning the sen. seat in Arizona? Could it be he is a real leader and not a 1 time would, could, should have been like OBUMMER. Wisdom comes with age just ask OBUMMER woops sorry he can't think for himself he needs a teleprompter. WOW amagine that at his young age he can't think. The muslim world hates the USA and what we stand for. OBUMMER may just pass a law requiring wemon to wear head scarfs, prevent them from obtaining an education ect... Hey tell me I'm wrong...that is what some of the muslim beliefs (along with cutting peoples heads off) are. Well OBUMMER is a muslim so he must share their radical views. There is a big chance OBUMMER may start trying to bring the USA in line with muslim beliefs to appease them. Toni57 is correct OBUMMER is a hater of the white-man or he would have never belonged to the org's that preach hatred for the white-man. It's to bad that the org's of hatred he belongs to can't realise that the slave owners in the USA are DEAD. Then to they don't care about slavery or we as a nation would see a big outcry from the african Americans about the slavery occuring in Africa RIGHT NOW. They just hate us period!. Then to, all these OBUMMER supporters may be afraid the african Americans will riot if OBUMMER looses. Heck look at what happened over Rodney King in LA.. Why do you think OJ got away with a double homicide? Yep the officials feared if he was convicted another riot would ensue. Sometimes you got to read between the lines. VOTE for JOHN McCAIN.

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Pacific NW Mark — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:36:38 GMT

Regardless of whether Rush Limbaugh's remarks were taken out of context (a courtesty Limbaugh himslef never labors to extend to others when discussed on his show) - even if those comments were out of context, there is NOTHING unfamiliar or innacurate is "John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush."

McCain's entire presidential bid is built on a foundation of lies. His full-throated support of Bush's policies makes his recent claims to again be 'the original maverick" ring hollow - and he plans to continue those same failed policies.

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:38:05 GMT

clintonpaulp

Korea - Eisenhower

Viet Nam - Eisenhower

Granada - Reagan

First Gulf War - GHW Bush

Second Gulf War - GW Bush

What are you talking about?

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toobraids — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:38:49 GMT

so if we lowered the tax rate to 25% from 35% Corporations would all come flying back to America ?

Yeah RIght! It has nothing to do with rather paying people willing to work for fruit rind

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DOYLESPAR — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:00 GMT

The bullcrap that many people believe about Obama rasing taxes on the entire working population is the worst thing that has come out in the campaign advertising.Never underestimate the stupidy of the American electorate>

I can hardly wait for the debates and the Inquirer piece about Palin's affair with her darling husband's partner.

Also hope the students that McSame bedded while married and the Keating five episode have yet to run hot and heavy IN PRINT AND ON TV BUT THEY WILL.!

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freedom — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:39:29 GMT

The arrogance of Senator Obama is profound! I can't believe he feels that he can run the UNITED STATES of AMERICA with O experience. What is going on with this country , we are going to hire a man who has never run a local city or a state. I'm very scare for my future and the future of my children. Wake up people! See him for who he really is , a inexperienced senator with no backbone to head the UNITED STATES of AMERICAN.

Sincerely,

Just a mom

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ChiefDreamer — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:40:12 GMT

Andrew raises a great point here. It's sad that both nominees seem to have forgotten that rather than finger-pointing, we need solutions. Empty rhetoric doesn't solve anything. Both of these guys are still senators with the ability to sponsor legislation or, at the very least, take the responsibility for holding someone's feet to the fire. They have forgotten that the goal of being President is to make the country a better place for its citizens -- not find ways to pass the buck on to the next guy. The reality is that we all have hopes and dreams that we hope are realized under our new Pres. If you're so inclined, please visit changehopedream.com and share your hopes and dreams with the world.

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:40:33 GMT

St. Germain -

You bust Obama's chops for using a teleprompter at the some time your friends criticize him for being eloquent. Make up your minds.

Jesus, man. Look at McCain, he trips over words every day. Since he changes his views every few hours it is no surprise he has trouble expressing himself.

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Dr. Snort — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:41:50 GMT

I'm surprised anyone actually watches/listens to political advertisements. Making a decision based on commercials? Do what I do, use the remote. Most of us who have done research have already decided who we're voting for, sowhy waste time on bad air waves? Although I am fond of mud wrestling.

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AlanAtl — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:42:26 GMT

Well Mr Harvard Guy,

Another democratic line of bull, except with a Harvard title. Harvard is a fine learning institution so I hope you are in the first year and will become educated. I do however think tha Obama will be elected on the coat tails of the black vote and the uneducated as yourself. This race is and has been from the beginning about race. We all will suffer the consequences.

What a shame!

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Zedcar35 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:43:03 GMT

Candi, good luck selling your house. From what I hear, the foundation of this economy is strong.

The nonsense here is that we all keep dating back to the history books and what Republicans did back when the Democrats did something else, and vice versa. TODAY, we have candidates who are tied to each party, but are acting on completely different issues and should not be judged on past party points. The economy did do better when it was deregulated thirty years ago, but now, it has gone too far. It is ever-changing, and Washington's reactions didn't keep up as of late.

Time to start regulating again. McCain knows it, so he had to flip-flop to make it known that he reads a newspaper. TODAY, our democrats are better-versed in regulatory legislation and that should be what's important. An American man who happens to be non-caucasian is part of that Democratic party that had 62% in favor of the civil rights act back in the day, so what? By the rationale below, are some of you saying that Obama should be a republican?

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cooper13 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:44:54 GMT

What really pisses me of is the game a lot of the media plays.

If things start going the Democrats way they pull things back by

pretending to create balance.

Any fool watching this race can clearly see which party is plainly

incapable of being in power.

Because a few things about Palin may be inaccurate doesn't balance

out the endless list of true facts about her. For instance.

A lot of times it seems like the media are afraid of advertisers and don't

want to come across as being unfair.

The media knows who pays the bills.

In the UK, interviewers wouldn't put up with the BS they are told when

questions are not answered.

Obama will win in spite of all this crap.

No balls says it all!

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TOM TOM — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:46:07 GMT

hey everlasting wake up and smell the coffee!!!!this guys as crooked as they come and boy is it grest to see newsweekwriter "getting it". we cant be afraid of criricizing a man because hes democrat or black or both

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jwtrotman — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:46:19 GMT

The JOKE thread is as demeaning as it gets. Lincoln NOR REPUBLICANS DID NOT FREE SLAVES FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITARISM; WHATEVER WAS ACCOMPLISHED AS A BY PRODUCT OF THE "CIVIL WAR" WAS DONE FOR THE SO CALLED GOOD OF THE UNION. The compassion for the SLAVES was as far fetched as east is from west; THEY WILL NEVER TOUCH!

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herewego — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:46:19 GMT

educatedamerica6914

I do believe you live in a hole....Do you read any of the news overseas...The kenyan Prime Minister said he was Obama's cousin-Obama's father was his maternal uncle...Also, the Kenyan Gov't made a statement saying that Obama was Odinja's stooge...That was printed in Kenya after Obama was viewed by thousands hence eyewitnesses that Obama was supporting Odinja....There is a video showing Obama speaking for Odinja and a picture of him standing behind Odinja with a microphone supporting Odinja....Odinja used Obama's criticism of Kenya's government to launch a genocide after he did not win the election. So what does that say about Obama and he's "Change". Also, Change was the motto for Odinja's party too....That is proven if you just look at Odinja's party's website.

Also, it has been proven that Obama voted against the Housing Reform when McCain brought it up and took money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac during the same period.

Get a life....I am educated..probably more so than you....I know how to read between the lines and comprehend what I am reading....Obama's followers just don't want to hear the truth because then their Messiah looses his halo......That is called stupidity when you do not admit what is right in front of your face...you people believe everything that idiot has to say.....

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toobraids — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:48:35 GMT

hey just a moron mom, it's United States of America....Read and write much?

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lulu9999 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:49:02 GMT

Hey Joke. Warren Buffet is advising Obama and he would sell the US if he thought he could make a buck. Oh Buffet was behind the takeover of Budweiser for that foreign company. I'll keep my dollars here in the states and vote McCain. Oh did someone from newsweek actually write this article?

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Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:49:41 GMT

Posted By: DOYLESPAR (September 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM)

I can hardly wait for the debates and the Inquirer piece about Palin's affair with her darling husband's partner.

Also hope the students that McSame bedded while married and the Keating five episode have yet to run hot and heavy IN PRINT AND ON TV BUT THEY WILL.!

LOL! Give us a break! Do you know how many times I've seen liberals regurgitate this nonsense?? Is this the best that you can do? THe Keating 5, by the way Both John Glenn (An American Hero to most Americans) and John McCain were both CLEARED OF ANY WRONGDOING in the Keating incident. .. . The part about his wife? Really? I didn't care when Clinton went behind Hillary's back to have 'relations' with an intern, so why would I care that McCain divorced his wife to be with another woman. The only thing that I cared about with Bill was that he lied about it... honesty doesn't equate to trust, but dishonesty does equate to distrust...

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Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:49:55 GMT

To: Harvard White Guy. I read your entry. I agree with some of it. As a registered Democrat now a Republican who votes his conscious I have to say one thing. Should not Government be represented by the MAJORITY? Why in America do we make laws to pander to the minority? We protect the handicapped, gays, minority races, age, sex and any combination of the whole lot? Why does a minority anything get special rules over a majority? We have made law after law that caters to people of every walk in life other than the White Populace that makes up the Majority of the money we put into the system. This economic dowen turn is a result of the overburdened white middle class buckling under pressure. Companies are after everyones last buck and we see that the Majority of our countrys population are not able to sustain the weight of it anymore. So my question to you is how does an IVY league Eduacated Rich Black Man identify with a middle class white man..and how does that man represent the majority of the people he represents. We have it all backwards here...... Rich men representing anyone other than rich men is not indicative to representation. But a minority rich man from Harvard represents the ultimate in hypocracy. It is only the facts. You dont represent the masses when you are not one of the masses. It is not a religious thing, a sex thing, and age thing, or a racial thing. It is just a demographic thing. It is a check all that apply thing. Most people dont follow or believe those they dont relate to. And most Americans dont relate to any RICH Men from Harvard.

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News and Notes — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:22 GMT

Cooper the media was afraid to trash Hillary all through the primary season. Obama's biggest problem is the persona of arrogance has been magnified during the summer months. His speeaches in Europe and Mile High Stadium. Snubbing Hillary. Refusing Federal funding. Obama with all his faults would be ahead in the polls 60% to 40% if Hillary were his VP.

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rearley1980 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:30 GMT

No offense taken. Just someone who can wade through the mess of these blogs and recognize posts of truly respectful and upstanding people who can make sense of it all. I come across them once in awhile and feel the need to respond. There is no reason why people can't post respectfully without resorting to outrageous claims and offensive nastiness or resort to making posts which closely resemble an innate belief in the aliens of Area 51or seem to mimic the latest offensive ramblings of Limbaugh or Colter and whose most pressing concern likely is when the next regularly scheduled meeting of the local militia or KKK will be held... One can only hope that the people of this nation could move past all that...in my opinion...for a better cause. Of course, this is a great nation and one which is founded on the Constitutional right of "free speech" so we must endure...

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jwtrotman — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:34 GMT

ALANATL: PRAY TELL HOW WERE "ALL THE WHITE AMERICAN PRESIDENTS ELECTED AND ON "WHOSE" COATTAILS? HAS IT EVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT SINCE BLACK AMERICANS HAVE VOTED AND WERE PERMITTED TO VOTE THEY HAVE "ALWAYS" VOTED FOR A WHITE NOMINEE? JUST HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE FIFTH GRADE?

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News and Notes — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:51:32 GMT

Of course Obama is angry and lashing out becuase the polls are close. He realizes refusing to put Hillary on the ticket was a huge mistake, and McCain capitalized on it. Obama has nobody to blame but himself and his arrogance. It is too bad he is taking the rest of us democrats for a ride

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RiddikEyes — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:51:44 GMT

This is the planet earth requesting communication with the poster 'freedom' (hahaha by the way) John McCain has never ran a local city or state either. He has been a career legislator. Thanks a lot for your meaningful insight though. I hope you enjoy your life when stupidity like this results in a John McCain presidency and you and your kids sleeping in a refrigerator box on a sidewalk somewhere.

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St. Germain — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:52:14 GMT

Jack 8590 ....I stand up for what I believe in that's why I served as a forward observer for the field artillary and infantry mortars (13f10) in the US ARMY. Now can that wimp OBUMMER say that, NO. personally I would vote for Collin Powel in a heart beat as I have a lot of respect for him and what he has done for our country. We don't need gutless wimps running our country! P.S. I would vote for rice also (don't get on her bad side) Powel&Rice for 2012 would be great!

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JLPARK — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:52:18 GMT

People continue to talk about EXPERIENCE. One thing is for sure Obama can't run this country into the ground any more than George Bush already has. Senator Obama is NOT arrogant he is

CONFIDENT. Don't get it twisted. McCain may be a nice guy however we need someone who

can remember what they did or said the day before.

JLP

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:52:27 GMT

James Lee -

Simple accounting.

The Republicans say they will lower taxes, but borrow the money instead.

The Democrats say they will increase taxes and do business on a COD basis.

I'll take the tax increase. You really need to stop thinking about "what's in it for me." Put on your patriot hat and start thinking about what is best for America.

These corporate bail outs will cost $1 trillion

Ther are 300 million americans

That means man, woman, and child will owe over $3000.

We can pay it, or we can borrow it.

I say we should pay it.....because I am patriotic and think we are all in this together. How about you?

No, you sound like the kind of guy that "got his" and "he's gonna keep it." "Don;t want to give it to no welfare mama's"

Go get your gun and your bible and teach your kids creationism. Just get out of the way.

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Miller69 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:52:37 GMT

Obama is the best thing that can happen to this country. When will people get enough of lossing their money on wall street, not being able to find a decent job with good wages, burying their sons, daughters, mother, fathers, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles because of a sensless war, having your privacy violated because of a senseless war. I mean my God 911 happened on the republican watch. They had seven years to catch Bin Laden and they have not found him yet. Under the Republican watch the rich has gotten richer and the middle class has become poor and the poor has become desolute. Houses are in foreclosure, people can't afford to feed their family, and the country is in economic crisis. So what do the republican do. Nominate John McCain who i believe is either a liar or have a touch of dementia. And Sarah Palin who is just a plain LIAR. Please country wake up and ispire to be better.

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Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:52:53 GMT

Posted By: jwtrotman (September 19, 2008 at 4:46 PM)

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Then debate me! The only reason that I mentioned it is because the comment by 'White Harvard Guy' equated Republicans to members of the KKK. Why didn't you mention that, a little bias maybe? I may not always be right, but I always try to be fair...

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kamakiriad — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:54:10 GMT

Both sides pledged not to punch below the belt. After months of McCain hitting him in the boxers, Obama has finally decided he can't bring a knife to a gun fight. I have no prolem with his distortions compared to the distortions McCain has tried to throw out there. Frankly, McCain has flip-flopped on so many issues to get elected, I think Obama has plenty of material to bury him with. Immigration, Regulation, Torture, Tax Cuts, Iraq, McCain has been on both sides of all those issues. He's more interested in getting elected than having principles.

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rwper1 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:56:11 GMT

This latest blurb on Obama's ads is absolutely, dead center on the target. The large problem that we face is that the people who should see this don't because they either don't own computers or don't know how to use them. Obama takes clear advantage of that because instead of using computer generated written text ads, he is smart and cunning enought to put his lies in TV ads, in a foreign language. His sympathers see, hear and believe his code language. Now, I see and hear his ads, but because I'm a product of an education system that was devoid of union teachers who have basically destroyed the very system in which they hide their ignorance. The difference between me and Obama's legions, is that I DON'T believe the lies and hatred he spews in his clandestine ways. Nobody ever said politics are fair. Nobody ever said politics are clean. However, when a candidate CLAIMS he will run a fair AND clean campaign and does not, then he rightfully should be labeled a racist hypocrite. So, that means, even by his own supporters in the press, have correctly identified Obama as the racist hypocrite candidate. The man simply will do ANYTHING low, dirty, evil, and perhaps even illegal, to win. I can't speak for Obama supporters, but then I'm not one of them Never have been, and never will be. If he happens to win the presidency, I'll use the Democratic war cry, "He's not MY president", and the dislike, acrimony and hatred will go on and on and on. I believe we can lay that at the feet of none other than the messiah Obama and his supporters, sympathizers, bankers, filth-wpewing pastors, felons, barking dogs and fellow travelers, all wrapped up into the meanest, cruelest, most criminal, anit-military, anti-American bunch, called the Democrat party. I used to be a Democrat. I had the now dubious honor of serving with John F. Kennedy's election as a devoted and dedicated volunteer. He was a MAN. But since then, that party has done more to denigrate themselves and this country than any other force, save the Muslim faith, in this country. The liberal left wing extremist Muslim-lovers have hijacked the Democrat party and thus destroyed it. I see Kennedy's leadership qualities, experience, and love of country in the Republicans like Ronald Reagon and John McCain, and they deserve my vote because I am like them. That's my story and I'll stick to it until the day they shovel dirt on my face.

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Be the difference — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:56:49 GMT

"politics of civility" at it's best...

I have never seen an election that the liberal democrats didn't use smears, hate, lies and attack dogs in an election and point fingers at the repubs for doing the same thing. And it's Not that I didn't think it wouldn't this time because it's been said before in the start of the election and usually the guy behind starts it and the other guy just can't resist the urge, but I had hoped.

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freedom — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:56:57 GMT

Yes, I do read and write much. I'm also human and make mistakes.... I happened to make two mistakes not just one moran.

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TOM TOM — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:57:00 GMT

all you have to do is look at marion barry to witness blacks voting for blacks no matter what the situstion .he was voted back in office after time in prison in the 90% range. how sad..why dont the black folks just quit giving away their vot to a party like blind and wandering sheep.obama isnt even african american hes arab

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true_patriot — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:58:15 GMT

It would take more than tax breaks to keep jobs in the US. It is primarily to avoid paying good wages/benefits, and avoiding labor laws and other regulations such as product safety that makes it more difficult to compete in the global economy. Do we want to raise the standards of other countries, or lower ours? Based on McCain's record of voting against raising the minimum wage, wanting to allow illegal labor, etc. I'd say he's pro-big business and wants to lower our (the working class's) standards.

Obama wants to provide tax cuts for companies that keep jobs in the US, but much more. He wants to encourage green industry/exports, boost education (e.g., science and math), etc., which is a more comprehensive approach that benefits the workers and not just big business.

As for an economic plan, the Iraq War will cost $3 trillion, so McCain is null and void right there. But if you look at McCain's record with the S&L fiasco (Keating Five), and association with Phil Graham, and wanting to continue Bush's policies (who was warned about Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and had a commission to study this back in 2004, but did nothing), once again it's clear NO Republican deserves the right for four more years.

To have real change, we need to change the Party in control. Obama/Biden 2008!

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Dr. Snort — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:58:42 GMT

Jack8590:

As a person who studies history, regarding your war to president assignments, The Korean war started in 1950 and Eisenhower's presidency began in 1953 (ended 1961). Just exactly how is Eisinhower aligned to the Korean War? It was Truman; Esienhower was the oversear of the cease-fire . Regarding Vietnam, according to Wikipedia, "In addition, Eisenhower explored the option of supporting the French colonial forces in Vietnam who were fighting an independence insurrection there. However, Chief of Staff Matthew Ridgway dissuaded the President from intervening by presenting a comprehensive estimate of the massive military deployment that would be necessary." Kennedy was the one who installed advisors then troops and Johnson accelerated troop build up. Kennedy also authorized the Bay of Pigs (and let the USA trained insurgents die on the Cuba beaches). Tricky DIck was in charge when we gave up on Vietnam. You also forgot things like Kosovo. Jack8590, your credibilty is in question.

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A. Populist — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:59:32 GMT

Well said kumi13. This country was built by hard working, honest, God fearing people. It is going to be taken down by the "good hands people" (not Allstate) who are bought by someone in the government promising them a free handout. If someone has created wealth for themselves and their family, God Bless them. Why should they pay the way for a bunch of societal dregs. Get off the idea of making them pay more. If the give-away, greed artists in Washington would remove the dollar signs from their eyes, they would see that it is the wealthy and/or the business owners who create the jobs and the income to fund "those less fortunate" (is this pc ?). Welfare recipients, get off your lazy butts, get a job, pay your taxes and become a meaningful member of the Great American Society (not pc).

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:00:13 GMT

St Germain -

I am 51, graduated HS right after the Viet Nam war ended. Never signed up, never fought.

Does that make me unqualified to be president?

My father is 87, God bless him. He flew missions over Stuttgart until he came down with TB. They gounded him. That's when he got the job of cleaning out the gun turrets when the planes after the planes returned. Most of the time he was cleaning out what was left of the gunner in the pit. 80% came back dead. If I ask him about it today, he will cry. Says absolutley nothing, just cries.

Does that make him eligible to be president.

I thank you for your service, and appreciate what you ahve done for our country. I also understand it give you a point of view. It just doens;t mean it is the right point of view.

My dad says I should vote for Obama. Why? Cuz he's so smart.

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willy7th — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:00:13 GMT

Does anyone really BELIEVE that any single person can stop the negativity and misinformation that divides our 2 major parties? This is a candy coated dream.

Realize the fact that politicians running against each other on the same ticket run each other into the dirt. Members of the same party dont allways agree, so forget reaching accross the isle... just forget it.

These sweet dream words were uttered in the early campaigns to show an INTENT to keep things clean, and to appear as clean as possible for the moment.

We are in a major depression folks. We are in the proscess of buying out all the lies and garbage we were sold for the last 8 years. We are rescuing all the liars and thieves in our country, so they can keep the money they cheated us out of. We are paying for everything twice, and still have to live with the broken system.

Do some math, and tell yourself how long we can survive supporting a $600 billion dollar military budget, reduce taxes, pay off the pathetic economic woes in the trillions, keep our S.S. payments to the aged, and disabled, and maintain the worlds largest prison population. (forget maintaining our bridges and roads, we cant afford to drive on them anyways)

Tent cities are springing up everywhere. Thats real assuring......

A few million more immigrants taking our jobs will surely help.

Titanic is sinking!!!!!! Failing to believe it wont help. Believing it wont help very much.

So please feel free to vote for the liar of your choice . The electorial college will be sure to forget your vote, and the Corporatocracy will march ahead into the global new world order.

Well there is some good news.

China is sending people into space, and planning to build aircraft carriers.

The European Union is starting up the largest collider in history.

THEY ARE DOING IT WITH OUR MONEY because we are bailing out the worlds debt.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Leah From IL — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:00:13 GMT

A message to those thinking of voting for Obama. You (as we all) have a right to vote for whomever you choose. I would respectfully ask though that you would research your candidate beyond the sound bites, speeches, news articles, etc. I say this because so much of what I read in posts such as this clearly shows that most Obama supporters don't really know the candidate they support. I do. I've been involved in politics in Chicago for a number of years and have first hand experience with Senator Obama and his political tactics and the true outcome of his policies. Nothing I've seen from him so far surprises me in the least. His promise to run a different type of campaign...yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it (and I haven't yet). Obama hasn't run a "different" style of campaign ever. His has always been hardball; do whatever it takes to win. Also, take a real look at his record. Read the bills he's been associated with, look at the political deal-making he's been involved with. Don't just take his or the medias word for it. Change, yes. Change for the better? I think not. His associations, I'm surprised the media and the right wing are only talking about Ayers, Wright, Jones, etc. and not the really unsavory characters he's involved with, and has been for a long time. These are not the "tangential" relationships he claims them to be either. Obama is charasmatic. No doubt. A lot of people hate what Bush and his cronies have done. True and I agree. However, take the time to know who it is you're supporting. Look behind the "Obama mask." The information is out there and is readily available for anyone who's interested. If you do you might not like what you see. Unfortunately too many in our country are too busy with "important things" to really research and analyze where either or the candidates truly stand. They cast their votes based on what they "know" from speeches, debates, or the news media. I'm not saying I'm a McCain supporter either. Don't get me wrong. I'm still researching his background from independent sources. But I DO know Obama and I don't like what I know to be true about him.

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undecided08 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:00:16 GMT

Finally! A balanced and objective opinion of Election 2008. Thank you Mr. Romano for what seems to be a fair assessment. Nowadays, I'm getting a headache watching TV and listening to the bickering of media people from both sides of the ticket. TV Journalism has nothing more to offer, for me to make a decision in '08. I think there are now too many panelists on TV who are lawyers (for respective parties), celebrities and opinionated moderators and their unsolicited and unannounced editorials. In my opinion, panelists should be composed of scientists (environmental and energy), medical doctors , clergy, economic and political science professors and military strategists who actually have battle experience. As for me on Election Day, I will vote for OBAMA for President and Palin for VP or McCain for Pres and Biden for VP. I believe now there is a clearer distinction of change versus experience.

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Iron Horse — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:01:37 GMT

McCain is the king of liars and deceit, period.

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:01:52 GMT

Dr Snort -

You are right, I stand corrected. Sorry for being misleading.

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TOM TOM — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:01:58 GMT

obama was against the MCCAIN BILL to revamp fannie mae and freddie mac is that change or is it somebody getting paid to vote their way

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lulu9999 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:04:16 GMT

Miller69 9/11 happened because when terrorist bombed our embassies and the naval ship the cole and khobar towers when bill clinton was president did nothing. So they just figured they could get away with it again. I am the middle class. We paid off our credit cards our cars and bought a house we could afford with a loan from our own bank. If you did not see the writing on the wall not my fault. Now let me see who is not telling the truth. Lehman who is bankrupt donated 85,000 to Obama's campaign. Lehmen Freddie and Fannie all gave Obama kickbacks he recieved the second highest amount first would be chris dodd. The top ten on the list were all democrats. You keep thinking the way you do .Me I am voting McCain.

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Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:05:56 GMT

Jack 8590 I believe you have a point. We should all be in it to FIX the problem not bail out a company. If the company gets bailed out by the Government then it is owned by the people and when the Company makes profit we all get a cut. Now it is fair.

Cut welfare. Make it like unemployment. It is bad for our populace and is more addicting than meth and more unorganized than any administration we have ever had. If we as citizens of our country can not be held accountable for our bad decisions why should those who are pay for those who are not? Just because you have kids does not mean I should have to pay you to raise, clothe,feed and house them. If it is a stop gap you need pay into a system like unemployement insurance.

Lincoln freed the slaves to win a war he was losing. The Civil War was fought over the Monroe Doctorine not slavery. No country can be founded within the borders of ours. Making Abe (who was a good man) a saint is a farce. He needed laborers and cannon fodder. Black men were paid less, equipped with less and died like dogs so the white North could beat the South. The South treated the slaves worse not counting them as whole people for voting reasons and subjecting them toall types of cruelty.

And lost in all of this.....who sold them to slavery after all? Certainly not the rich WHITE land owners in Africa. What a skewed version of the truth we have.

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jwtrotman — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:06:05 GMT

JOKE: HOW VERY FITTING YOUR POST NAME IS. LET'S SEE. MCSHAME ATTENDED A FREE ACADEMY AND FINISHED FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS CLASS. LIPSTICK HAD TO ATTEND 5 OR 6 COLLEGES IN ORDER TO FINALLY RECEIVE A "DEGREE" IN JOURNALISM. WOW!!! NEITHER ONE OF THEM COULD QUALIFY FOR A JOB AT MCDONALDS; THEY'VE HAVE TO "WORK" FOR A LIVING THEN! SPEAKING OF WORK, WHERE IS YOUR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT, RINGLING BROTHERS?

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:06:34 GMT

Tom Tom -

what exactly was the McCain bill? What is it Obama voted against?

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Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:07:38 GMT

Posted By: Miller69 (September 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM)

********Really, Obama will fix all of this? By all means, show me proof and I'll vote for him.

I mean my God 911 happened on the republican watch.

***** Let me get this straight, Osama bin Muhammed bin Laden (his correct name btw) was never on the radar under Clinton's administration, that Bill Clinton never had an opportunity to kill him, and that America was never attacked (the WTC in particular) at all by this man before George W. Bush took office? WRONG ANSWER: In fact the WTC was actually bombed first by Osama bin Laden's group in 1993 (7 years before George W. Bush took office) under Bill Clinton's administration. Bill had the opportunity to send SpecOps in, but he decided to send Tomahawks instead... Those missed him, and OBL went back to living under protection from the Taliban... Billy did nothing after that, then did even less when the Cole was attacked...... So this mess started under Bill Clinton's administration.. . Fact

They had seven years to catch Bin Laden and they have not found him yet.

******Same goes for the prior administration...

Under the Republican watch the rich has gotten richer and the middle class has become poor and the poor has become desolute. Houses are in foreclosure, people can't afford to feed their family, and the country is in economic crisis.

******The economy went bad when the Tech Stocks failed (WWW), then came 9/11, then everyone bought houses instead of stocks. Are you honestly going to blame this on Republicans? Nice Skapegoat though......

So what do the republican do. Nominate John McCain who i believe is either a liar or have a touch of dementia. And Sarah Palin who is just a plain LIAR. Please country wake up and ispire to be better.

***** I think that you're delusional, and as said before... I'm placing my $ on Bi-Polar

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Sun and Clouds — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:09:37 GMT

Does any one really think this election would be any different than any other ones. Talk smooth or talk rough it's about ego and nothing else. A lot of wasted money to say I was president. Don't consider that there are a few other people (Senate and House) who have more to say than the president.

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Bareu — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:10:15 GMT

Subject: I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

* Name your kids Willow, Trig, and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.

* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

* If your total resume is: local weather girl (sports caster), 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.

From Ireport - http://www.ireport.com/

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

THE RAVEN — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:11:06 GMT

For the joker who calls himself joke--you certainly are. First of all, the rep. only voted for the Civil Rights Act just ot stick it to the dem. They didn't give a fu*k about black people.

And read a book sometimes, too. Ol' racist abe didn't free us black folks because of any kind-hearted, ethical reasons either. He only did it to turn the knife in the south's belly. He said if he could keep slavery, he would. It's on record that he called black people ni&&ers--constantly, and wanted to send them back to Africa.

You probably believe chris columbus discovered America, too. stupid a$$ moron.

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jalee — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:11:17 GMT

I find it incredible that people really think that the control of the government is in the hands of the President. The power of government rests in the House and Senate. Unfortunately, there has been a total lack of leadership, a lot of name calling and a do nothing attitude, while protecting their own for the most part selfish interests. This current Congress has done next to nothing...take a look at the votes and those who are not even in attendance and collecting thier pay. The benefits that Congress has voted themselves, including health insurance and pay are criminal! Their retirement pay package is ludicrous. I think we need term limits and to clean house...We need to start thinking and reading instead of being fed information like we are babies eating pap. The Democrats won the House and Senate on the premise that they would make changes. Well the only change they have achieved is more muddled policies, a lack of decision, a lack of attendance at committee meeting, and early vacations while collecting big bucks! If this is what they are taking about with their change....we would all to better without it!

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Bethany724 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:12:06 GMT

People need to get off the "he was a POW - so he should be president" train. That train derailed 26 yrs ago when mcshame sold his soul to the republican way!!! There is absolutely no morals in this man, he has said Obama wants to lose the war to win the election. You know - if you think about it at least if we lost the war we wont lose any more good men and women in the name of a failed attempt in the name of a "get back" for DADDY BUSH. Now that Hussein is gone - we should be too!!!

McShame has woefully let down his wife, sister, family and now the country. He has flip flopped on so many issues we no longer know what exactly he stands for other than a PALIN/McCAIN (oops - her words not mine) administration.

Reality time will come when the debates come!!! Now - everybody sit back - grab a bag of popcorn and watch the flipping flop!!

As for the righteous PALIN - I am sick and tired of everyone walking on egg shells around her because she is a woman. OK a REPUBLICAN woman, because there certainly wasnt this courtesy bestowed upon Clinton as she was going through the primaries!!! Why are Republicans such hypocrits? McCane said he was going to run a campaign in "good faith" - then all hell broke loose and he has been attacking personally and perversly since. Now that Obama comes back with the same we must tar and feather him. GIVE ME A BREAK!

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max in fl — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:12:14 GMT

Toni57

You have got to be kidding...study and learn...can you do that? I don't think so. You are bent out of shape. What are YOU studying? What have YOU learned? You have learned and studied everything negative about Obama. Everyone at Harvard Law school can get into the Harvard Law Review and they can all become editors in chief of HLR no big deal,right? Everyone GOING to Harvard Law School graduates magna *** laude, right? I'm sure McCain did well in school and graduated with HONORS out of West Point.

How on EARTH can Obama be racist? Have you bothered to look at any of the pictures of his past. If you were a skinhead and had THAT much ethnicity around you, they would kick you out on principle alone.

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:12:39 GMT

TOM TOM -

you say Marion Berry (SP?) is a case where no matter what blacks vote for blacks?

What about this year? You think there aren;t people out there voting for McCain because he is white? Rather, they are "not voting" for Obama because he is only 50% whilte.

Not to mention, DC is predominantly black - pick a better example.

Geeze!

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clarence3935 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:12:42 GMT

My, what high standards we're using here:

"Offensive, sure--but consider it an equal-opportunity slur."

Limbaugh seems to have you thinking the way he does after all. And he did come out for McCain.

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pugs — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:13:50 GMT

The Ad is disgustingly slimy, I hope the Reps call him on it and someone in the hispanic market call Obama on it as well, We have a word for this Menitroso, Mentiroso, Mentiroso (LIAR) and we hispanics really hate down right lies at us like we are dumb or something, we saw through all the stupid Pig stuff but this is down right lies!!!

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Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:14:02 GMT

Posted By: jwtrotman (September 19, 2008 at 5:06 PM)

WAIT I CAN DO THIS TOO, DOES THIS MEAN THAT I'M RIGHT? A FREE ACADEMY, REALLY? I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU JUST GET INTO THE NAVAL ACADEMY! REALLY, DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN YOU GO TO ENLIST IN THE NAVY, THEY SAY HEY 'WHY NOT TRY OUT THIS FREE ACADEMY'.. .THOSE ARE OUR NATIONS FINEST, UNLIKE YOU... THEY'RE ALL THE BRIGHTEST OF ANYONE ELSE WHO HAD TRIED TO ENLIST AT THE TIME. I KNOW I DID THE NAPS PROGRAM, DID YOU? DID YOU SERVE YOUR COUNTRY OR ARE YOU ONE OF THE ELITISTS WHO HAVE HAD EVERYTHING GIVEN TO THEM THEIR WHOLE LIVES BY MOMMY AND DADDY. DID YOUR MOMMY AND DADDY VOTE REPUBLICAN, AND NOW YOU"RE REBELLING AGAINST THEM JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS? I PERSONALLY THINK THAT YOU ARE A JOKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS... I THINK THAT PEOPLE OF YOUR ILK HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT BEING CRITICAL HIDES JUST HOW INCORRECT YOU REALLY ARE...

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Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:16:29 GMT

Joke. I served in the military under Bill Clinton and I can say this. After The "incident in Somalia" His administration learned a lesson every country already knows. There has always been terrorism and if you kill the head of one cell another will grow and take its place. There has been and always will be cowards who will take pot shots at you and it will never stop unless you stop meddling in others affairs. Dont forget a DOMESTIC terrorist hit the Oklahoma City Building. And we have had several assasination attempts/successes. These are all forms of terrorism. How do we stop them? Cant. If we as a nation shake in our shoes and rattle everyones cages we are allowing them to win. By showing resolve and unity as a people and moving forward we win the war on terror......which was "coined" by Bush. Clinton had it right. It happened and we are turning the page. Kind of like when people come onto the field during a sporting event. The cameras dont look at them anymore. If the media just gets on with it and we dont give these cowards all the media attention they can use we can focus on making peace with it.

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CMHSanJose — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:16:59 GMT

Thank God! An honest attempt by Newsweek to provide some semblance of balance. Well done Andrew!

I actually don't agree with the implied message that McCain dug into the dirt first though. Rememeber Obama's endless tape-loop claiming McCain wanted to continue the war in Iraq for 100 years? Do really expect the guy to stay in line and get slapped with that misquote over and over again unchallenged by anyone in the media?

Also I'm shocked that Andrew thinks that Obama's dirty ads about McCain's stance on immigration, financial regulation and exporting American jobs are "child's play" in comparison to to McCain's Lipstick/Pig ads. (I still think this line drew a disproportionately huge ovation from the Obama crowd - way beyond what you would expect from repeating a tired cliche..) . Really which distortion is more serious and more relevant to the issues facing America today?

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:17:49 GMT

If you have done any hiring, you know that after a while it gets easier to spot a person who will produce results. They often haven't done the exact job you want to fill, but they show an ability to think on their feet, to learn as they go, to get quick results, work well with others, and to lift the spirits and expectations of everyone around them.

I've done some hiring, and Obama stands out as such a person. Every president learns on the job. There's no other job like it - so no one has experience.

I opt for the guy who has a vision for this country that appeals to our better nature - not our fears and limitations. I don't fear change. I don't fear people of color. I don't fear people with diverse experiences. I don't fear people with no desire to start a war. I don't fear people with an education. I don't fear people who recognize we live in a global community but who want to protect our interests in it. I don't fear moving forward and innovation. I don't fear inexperience if balanced by talent.

I do fear those who try to lead with fear. I fear those who will not admit their biases and seek to bring biases out to control others. I fear isolationism. I fear leadership that will not adapt to a modern world. I fear leaders that look back instead of forward. I fear those who prefer ignorance to looking outside "the box". I fear that our own sense of America being the best will in the end lead us to not recognize what we need to fix.

So - my hiring decision is for Obama. If he doesn't work out, in 4 years you can replace him.

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Leah From IL — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:17:58 GMT

Sun and Clouds,

I agree that a lot of it has to do with ego. But you touch on a very important point. Our government is based on a balance of power. The President heads up the Executive branch. People seem to forget that there are the Legislative and Judicial branches as well and what their specific functions. Presidential candidates talk like they're running for "King of the USA." Does the Office of the President wield power? Yes. Does it have the capability to inact legislation? No. Can it overturn court rulings such as Roe v. Wade? No. I think a lot of people need a lesson in Government 101.

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candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:17:58 GMT

Posted By: Bareu (September 19, 2008 at 5:10 PM)

_____________________________________

BAREU, I LOVE YOU!!!!

I couldn't have said it better :)

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Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:21:08 GMT

Bareu -

EXCELLENT POST!

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Leah From IL — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:22:56 GMT

Jack 8590,

I've done a lot of hiring myself. I have a strong success record in this area. However, no matter how good you are at reading people, every now and them someone comes along the can fool you. I'm sure that as a hiring manager/executive you did background checks on prospective employees. I suggest you do the same here. If you still like what you see, vote for him.

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IndependentMind — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:23:16 GMT

Politicians are like bitchy little girls.

And Obama ain't no different than any other politician. Do you "fans of change" think he just fell off the turnip truck one day? He's been perfecting this act for years.

Change takes 536 people not just one. Or did you guys forget about the den of thieves I call the Congress.

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purrmonsta — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:23:19 GMT

Barack Obama began this general election campaign with the gloves on, clearly avoiding the smear tactics that Republicans have generally been guilty of using. However, once McCain turned into McNasty, did Obama have any choice but to strike back? In 2004, Kerry did not answer the Rove smears and, as a result, lost the election. This was a hard lesson for Democrats to learn, and Obama has learned it well. I admire him for coming out with the gloves off and showing his passion for his country and for the cause of progress. He must keep his counter-jabs coming, swiftly and surely, if he is to have a chance at winning in November.

Go Obama/Biden!

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freedom — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:24:21 GMT

I'm glad that I have struck a nerve with some people , however the insults I can do without. I still stand by what I said before. Wake up people! Obama is wet behind the ears and has not run anything.

Democrates have been in control of the house since Pelosi, and the economy has been on the decline ever since . President Bush is not the only party responsible for the decline of the economy .

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NuBN7 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:26:05 GMT

"You can't be an officer, a jet pilot, in the U.S. Navy without a degree.. . McCain graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958, so either you're blatently full of lies to pull votes for Obama, or you're on your lunch break from McDonalds... Which is it?"

McCain graduated 5th from the BOTTOM of his class while Obama graduated Magna *** Laude. Obama was President of the Harvard Law Review while the only reason McCain got into the Naval Academy is because his father and grandfather were admirals. There is no comparison in their intellectual abilities other than the ability to deceive which McCain certainly does better. I would still like to know why a former POW has made it impossible for anyone, including former prisoners, to review the debriefs that may include data on still missing prisoners. Interesting that he wants to bomb Iran but trade with the communists who allegedly abused him without mercy!

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dysccs — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:26:18 GMT

I feel and believe Obama is the best candiate,and he would be a good Presidnet,,He talks from his heart and cares about all Americans ,not just the rich ones like McCain ,,and Palin shes a whole story itself,,none of it good either,,she has NO experience and dont even understand the questions she was asked on a recent show on TV. a shame to even think she has any leadership,

McCain will be liek Bush but worse,hes all ready showed that! He talked more about being patrotic then the economy (which he thinks is fine)sure it is for the rich folks,,,,, he doenst show any interest in loss of jobs of Americans and doesnt have a clue that there is Middle class people in the world!!!Obam has my vote!

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justanothervet — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:26:55 GMT

What do you get when you put lipstick on a pit bull - a soccer mom.

Put lipstick on a pig and you still have a pig.

Put lipstick on a monkey and you have a community organizer.

Whoa now wait a minute a monkey deserves better treatment than this.

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undecided08 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:29:16 GMT

Comment to Jalee.

My sentiments exactly. We can blame the President all we want but let's not forget to put equal blame on those who make laws- our Legislators, Republican and Democrats - ALL OF THEM! If the President is the only one in control, then we have a dictatorship. Last I checked, it was still a democracy based on Greek philisophies which means Congress had a chance to stop the Iraq war and the failing economy but they didn't.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

mn123 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:29:38 GMT

WE HAVE 3 TYPE 1 DIABETICS IN THE HOUSE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW I'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT MEANS: 2 TYPES OF INSULIN AT $40 AND $60 A MONTH PER PERSON, TEST STRIPS AT $60 A MONTH EACH, SYRINGES $25 FOR A MONTHS SUPPLY PER PERSON AND OTHER SUPPLIES AS NEEDED. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REGULAR CHECK-UPS AND ANY MEDICAL DUE TO COMPLICATIONS FROM DIABETES INCLUDING BLOOD THINNERS DUE TO DIABETES COMLICATIONS. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OTHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT THE COMMON PERSON GETS. DUE TO THESE CIRCUMSTANCES WE HAVE "ALWAYS" MADE A MIDDLE CLASS INCOME BUT LIVED POOR. WE ALMOST BOUGHT A HOUSE 2 YEARS AGO.. JUST BEFORE THE HOUSING CRISIS STARTED. MY HUSBAND SAID "GOOD THING WE DIDN'T". WHEN I WAS GROWING UP ALL I EVER WANTED WAS THE "WHITE PICKET FENCE". WE HAVE ALWAYS WORKED VERY HARD AND WENT TO WORK ILL IF WE HAD TO AS TO NOT MISS WORK. STILL TO NO AVAIL WE RENT A HOUSE WHERE THE LANDLORD DOESN'T WANT TO FIX ANYTHING AND OF ALL THINGS IN A DECENT NIEGHBORHOOD, WE STRUGGLE TO PAY HEAT BILLS IN A LEAKY WINDOWED HOUSE (WE JUST PAID OUR LAST PAYMENT OF $1000 TOWARDS LAST WINTERS HEAT BILL THIS SUMMER), WE DO NOT BY ANY MEANS DRIVE FANCY CARS, IN FACT ONE OF THEM IS A 93' AND THE OTHER ONE IS AN 03' THAT I BOUGHT THIS SUMMER BECAUSE THE OLD ONES ENGINE QUIT AND IT HAS 176000 MILES ON IT SO THAT THE PAYMENT WASN'T TOO HIGH. NO WARRANTY AND THERE IS ALREADY LIGHTS POPPING ON THAT SHOULDN'T IN IT. WE HAVE "NEVER' BEEN ON A VACATION SO A "STAYCATION" WASN'T NEW TO US. SO THE POINT IS THAT WE DO NOT BLOW OUR MONEY ON THINGS WE CANNOT AFFORD. THERE DOES NEED TO BE CHANGE AND IN MY EYES IT IS REALLY NEITHER ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES BECAUSE BOTH HAVE ALWAYS HAD MONEY, NOT HAD THE PROBLEMS "EVERY DAY" PEOPLE HAVE TO FACE. WE NEED SOMEONE THAT "HAS A CLUE", THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH HARD TIMES. THIS IS NOT TRUE FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES AND UNTIL WE GET SOMEONE THAT HAS AND IS HONEST, BECAUSE MOST OF THE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE EVER RUN "LIE" NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. SO VOTE FOR EITHER ONE IF YOU LIKE BUT NEITHER ONE WILL FIX THE MESS WE ARE IN. THE MARKET WILL FIX ITSELF IN DUE TIME AND "NOT " OVER NIGHT. AND BY THE WAY THOSE OF YOU THAT THINK WE SHOULD NOT HAVE RESPONDED TO THE 911 INCIDENT NEED TO GET A CLUE. IF WE HAD NOT THEY WOULD STILL BE HERE OR BE BACK. YES, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A PLAN FIRST (THAT TAKES BRAINS), BUT THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SET AGAINST IT ALL.. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? SAID OH, IT'S OKAY?? I HATE VIOLENCE BUT HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT??? SUPPORT YOUR SOLDIERS BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY PROTECTING YOU! AND UNTIL YOU EITHER PROTECT THE NATION OR HAVE A "REAL" SOLUTION BACK OFF. I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE REAL SOLUTION OUT OF ANYONE, JUST AN OUTCRY OF HOW TERRIBLE THIS IS.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

KnightHawk — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:29:50 GMT

Sen. Obama has had to endure punches and jabs from every aspect of American culture ever since he first announced his aspirations. Hillary and Bill Clinton fired volley after volley over the bow of the Obama Camp. Geraldine Ferraro claimed his success was due to the black vote, as though that was somehow improper. His association with Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright and even unfair attacks about his own heritage and his name. Lies about his being involved in terrorism against the U.S. Members of the black community turned on him; Jesse Jackson of all people. The media even at one point claimed that Michele Obama was unpatriotic! Guilt by association, guilty of being somehow wrong for being black although his mother was white but he, Sen. Obama, is a racist. That attitude strongly suggest that he hates his mother's memory because she was indeed white. Yet through all of this pressure, Sen. Obama has remained calm, cool and collected.

Finally he says, "Enough is enough!"

Now everyone one wantts to accuse him of being too aggressive toward John McCain? Accuses him of using smear campaigns against John McCain who began his attacks against Sen. Obama the moment the primaries ended. John McCain who has told every concievable lie and has spread falisy, rumors and enuendo; not to mention Sarah Palin's comments about Sen. Obama's contirbution as a Community Organizer before the RNC had concluded. John McCain; who now somehow now connects and blames Sen. Obama for the recent woes and the failures of the Bush administration and the Wall St. financial collapse.

At what point does Sen. Obama have the right, from a conservative prospective, to fight back? To defend himself, his wife/family and the Democratic party? Believe it or not, Sen. Barack Obama is a human being!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

candi630 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:30:08 GMT

And BAREU, let me just add this....

* If you are a mayor who has made sexually assaulted women (victims) pay for their own rape kit and forensic examination, that makes you a woman ALL women can get behind. ref: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26666530/

* But if you are a man who has supported violence prevention (with a veep who wrote domestic violence legislation) and a woman's right to choose, that makes you a bad for women.

Yep, I think it's very clear to me too....

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

MrBlunt — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:32:19 GMT

Well lets start by saying this article was not to bad, As of late I have seen a lot that are very lop sided. This one gives both sides to most and I believe points out just how dis-honest both sides have been. On Hardball the point was made that the Obama side makes bigger lies than the McCain side does. Wow funny, most new services say it’s the other was around. So who is really lying? I have seen to many lies from the Clinton/Obama campaigns. That is when most of this stuff started. I am glad people have open minds here, to bad there not willing to share them. We are again offered the great choice of the lesser of two evils. I have to say I am not impressed on the late 4 or 5 elections. Why can’t the parties run some one that is worth voting for? And why ask the people running stupid questions about stuff that doesn’t matter, like abortion. Who cares! It’s a law and it isn’t going to be over turned! Stop taking the candidates off track and let them tell us how they’re going to change the unemployment problems, economy, and so on. Obama’s ideas sound good; they will never make it if the congress doesn’t agree. There all bull to get elected, and yes he a wimp. He doesn’t fight back because he can’t fight what’s mostly true. Well sorry for pointing out the facts. Lets see how smart you are and elect the guy that won’t screw the country up any worse than Bill Clinton did. Ok so he did ok running the Reagan, Bush economy. The truth is he’s a liar! He should have been tossed out for that. We should have sent a message telling any and every elected official we want truth! So look for the one that lie’s less. That would have to be McCain so far. We just have to where it goes for the next couple weeks. Oh yes Clinton ran the economy in to the ground. He dumped the economy on G.Bush (god I hate saying that name). It was on its way down in 2000. It takes years to change the economy and why isn’t there a long-term economy plain? Maybe we can get out from under the debt? Wow what a thought, why doesn’t Obama come up with something for that. He just wants to give money away and dig a deeper hole. I think the draft will go over big too.

Well this was why I decided to write anything at all here. It’s to comment on a couple other people’s thoughts.

To “daMann” In the real world without college degrees you wouldn’t have what is going on with the banks, Wall Street, or corporate raiders killing the companies in the US right now. Would we! There real good role models!

To “surroundedbyidiots” You must have a lot of mirrors around you. Maybe you should go back to college and get in on the easy money on Wall Street. Or better yet you and daMann should get hooked up.

What’s this IQ 100 between you two?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:33:35 GMT

Jack 8590, as a person who does hiring I can tell you that I would never hire a person who has zero experience. Good ideas and a clear understanding of the position is one thing but good ideas and no understanding is another. As a Veteran I find it offensive to have a person who has NEVER served be the commander and chief of our nations armed forces. I know I am not alone. Would you want a person with no idea how to do his job and no education to be your boss? So then why do you want a man with no idea how to do his job and an education to be your boss? Is there a difference? Other than where he did or didnt go to school (Bush went to college and he isnt too bright by the way) is he really cut for the job? Just because he has ideas doesnt mean he can make them happen. Obama is not representative of the majority of Americans and when the REAL polling finishes you will see that the people who really matter turn out to vote and those who dont forget...like usual. The Hip starbucks crowd who sit at their local coffee shop and complain are the modern version of the Barber shop crowd who...sat around and complained. The fact is that everyone knows what is wrong and what needs to be done but the problem is how to get it done in our current corrupt form of Beauraucracy where one hand pays the other and that hand puts it in the back pocket but noone sees that the two hands are connected to the same person.

The President is already a puppet and Obama will make that obvious because he will be a puppet to his advisors who work for him. So maybe he is the ideal candidate to disprove our system of government. Maybe Communisim (in its roots) is better for the masses (which is what we need). What you dont see is that a smooth talking know nothing isnt what we need. We need a warrior and a symbol of where we are now not a decadent dooms day sayer telling us that everything sucks and he will fix it. HOW? He doesnt know, but he will tell us McCain cant do it. He doesnt know that for a fact either. It is all talk. And that is what Obama is known for TALK.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

yoyo491 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:33:40 GMT

Well it's good to see there's idiots posting forwarded emails that hype Obama's thin record on this Newsweek news site. "Obama was a brilliant community organizer". He did little, he was well-liked but accomplished little according to his ex-boss, reported in the New York Times. Community organizers have been described as "big talkers, little doers" and it's dead-on accurate. As a community organizer or later as a lawyer he worked for rotten election fraud vote stealing organization Acorn, which in the last election 2006, was caught registering people twice, registering dead people, and registering people who were underage. Working for Acorn is a black mark on your record, not a bright spot. The notion that he signed up 150,000 people personally to vote is a joke, please cite the news source for that absurd claim, and since when is working at a far left organization trying to sign people up to vote Democrat a great service to the country? It's a partisan service.

The forwarded email is pure hype of Obama's record. In fact, his short time in the Senate was totally insignificant. He was not behind any major piece of legislation, the fact that his signature is on a lot of bills means he was alive and breathing during that time period. The Senate pumps thru hundreds of bills all year long, most insignificant, passed without argument, and not even worth mentioning, unless you're an Obama supporter and need to hype his limited experience. "Yes, he voted for the bill naming the new post office in Schenectady after Rutherford B. Hayes, what a difference he's made!"

Finally, it is pathetic that people are still feeling the need to compare Obama's experience at the top of the Democratic ticket to Palin's experience at the bottom of the ticket. Remember? Obama's running against John McCain. We can agree that Obama with 8? years as a minor state senator, 2 yrs before he started running for pres as national Senator and Palin with 6? years as mayor and 2 years as governor before she started running are both not the most experienced candidates we've ever seen running on national tickets or anything close. But the Democrats are running their inexperienced lightweight at the top of their ticket and the Republicans are running theirs merely for VP. If it's dumb to add Palin to the bottom of the Republican ticket, it's idiotic, insane and dangerous to put Obama at the top of the Democratic ticket. All ridiculous hyping of his thin record in forwarded emails meant to convince gullible children aside.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:33:50 GMT

Posted By: THE RAVEN (September 19, 2008 at 5:11 PM)

For the joker who calls himself joke--you certainly are. First of all, the rep. only voted for the Civil Rights Act just ot stick it to the dem. They didn't give a fu*k about black people.

You probably believe chris columbus discovered America, too. stupid a$$ moron

The NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton speak for you. They told us who you'd be voting for already, so why are you even typing in here?

Comment 1:

THE RAVEN: "Ol' Racist Abe"

Historical fact: Unionists did free the slaves (FACT), the South did not want it to end. Abe Lincoln was the leader of the Unionists.

Comment: Nice way to thank the person who's responsible for your freedom.

Comment 2:

THE RAVEN: First of all, the rep. only voted for the Civil Rights Act just ot stick it to the dem. They didn't give a fu*k about black people.

Historical fact: It happened, and you benefit from it to this very day. Your comment just shows that you don't like being wrong, no matter what.

Comment: I personally think that you're a racist. This nonsense about he said, she said just fuels your rage. Until blacks as a whole, stop focusing on negatives which happened 100+ years ago, and learn to stop focusing on color (don't say that you don't) and move on with your making something of your life you will always be held down. The difference is that it's not whitey doing it, it's your own community.

Comment 3:

THE RAVEN: You probably believe chris columbus discovered America, too. stupid a$$ moron

Fact: I'm Native American, not white,. Nice racist assumption though. We were here first, not that Spaniard, Black people came third....

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Bethany724 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:34:06 GMT

DEAR LEAH FROM IL

I also have hired and fired people and believe you me - BUSH WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED YEARS AGO - the moment I found out he lied to his BOSSED (us) to get into IRAQ

We need to pink slip this administration on Nov 4.

As for the Dem Congress - will you guys just shut up - The very moment it looked to BUSH that the DEMs were gonna get the majority he changed the rules so that it would be impossible to pass an DEM supported bill - again a fact that you McShamiacs forget. So lets put this whole crisis in the lap that it belongs. The republicans and the white house. The only way to change is to sweep the whole house clean - not just move the dirt from one room to another!!!!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

NeoconsareFascists — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:35:13 GMT

After 7 1/2 years of largely ignoring the diahrrea spewing from the mouths of Bush and his Neocon henchmen, I would think the media, especially a learned reporter like Mr Romano, would find better things to cover than one or two Obama ads that went a little over the top. How come I don't see an article like this every time the Republi-cons repeat their litany of lies? When Obama runs a fair campaign (which has been most of the time), he's criticized for not being "tough" enough, and it's obvious he was losing ground campaigning that way. So he relents and tries to fight fire with fire, and he's criticized for that, too.

McCain HAS helped to sell out American workers, at the very least through his long-standing support for de-regulation. He has helped the corporate hogs eat thousands of hard-earned earnings, mine and everyone elses, from each American workers "trough". If that isn't selling us out, I don't know what is. He SAYS (in the last five years) he was for less regulation. Yeah, like all the other times he said he was against something or other of what Bush and his cronies were proposing, and then when the time came to vote for it, he was in lockstep with all the other Republi-con cowards. What a phony.

Remember that the truth isn't always "Fair and Balanced".

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Leah From IL — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:35:38 GMT

Bareu,

Excellent post...except that it's full of half truths. You give credit to Obama for things that other people did 99% of the work on. He didn't lead. He jumped in and took credit for things he had little if nothing to do with. Not many people had the balls to call him on it for fear of losing jobs they obtained from the Daly and Stroger machines.

Again, I'm not saying McCain and Palin are stellar examples of what this country needs for leaders either. However, get the unbiased facts. Don't just repeat what you hear or read from media sources that have a clear bias such as the one you cited.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

john mathews — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:35:56 GMT

Obama is correct in saying that McCain is in favor of reduced taxes for U.S. companies that ship jobs overseas. What do you think an indefinite income tax deferral is? I call it a significant tax break.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

spikeaus — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:35:59 GMT

Good, the Republicans have been getting away with lies and distortions for 20 years, to the point where the American public has become confused about the facts. Finally, in Obama we have someone who will fight for the middle class and the American Dream! Let the Republicans get a taste of their own medicine. I look forward to the day when "conservative" becomes as dirty a word as it was in the days of Goldwater and Nixon!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Harvybing — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:38:42 GMT

Obama and The Democrats Helped Bring On The Financial Crisis.

The NY Times Reported that in 2003 a proposal was made to strengthen the oversight of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac

SOURCE:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

After hearing that proposal the Democrats said this:

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said

Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more

people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of

affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed. ''I don't see much other than a shell game going

on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer

families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

What Barney Franks and Melvin Watts are saying is that "We don't want any more regulation of Fannie Mae or Freddie

Mac, we want more poor people to be able to get home loans no matter what the risk or the eventual cost involved to

the taxpayer". I wonder if those people who are being affected in one way or another would like to know Barney

Frank's or Melvin Watts personal phone number so you can call and thank them personally for looking out for you?

And the Republican who was proposing legislation similar to the Administration proposal said this:

''The regulator has not only been outmanned, it has been outlobbied,'' said Representative Richard H. Baker, the

Louisiana Republican who has proposed legislation similar to the administration proposal and who leads a

subcommittee that oversees the companies. ''Being underfunded does not explain how a glowing report of Freddie's

operations was released only hours before the managerial upheaval that followed. This is not world-class regulatory

work.''

NOW WE COME TO OBAMA'S PART IN THE MESS:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/16/obama-one-of-leading-recipients-of-fanniefreddie-political-contributions.p

OBAMA HAS TAKEN MORE MONEY FROM FANNIE MAE & FREDDIE MAC SOURCES THAN ANYONE EXCEPT ONE CHRIS DODD!

AND FRANKLIN RAINES THE PAST CEO OF FANNIE MAE IS A TOP OBAMA ADVISOR WHO WAS ACCUSED OF COOKING THE BOOKS WHILE HE

WAS THE CEO OF FANNIE MAE IN ORDER TO GET A HIGHER BONUS!

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines

ACCORDING TO WIKKIPEDIA "On December 21, 2004 Raines accepted what he called "early retirement" from his position

as CEO while U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting

irregularities. He is accused by The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), the regulating body of

Fannie Mae, of abetting widespread accounting errors, which included the shifting of losses so senior executives,

such as himself, could earn large bonuses.

In 2006, the OFHEO announced a suit against Raines in order to recover some or all of the $50 million in payments

made to Raines based on the overstated earnings initially estimated to be $9 billion but have been announced as 6.3

billion.

Civil charges were filed against Raines and two other former executives by the OFHEO in which the OFHEO sought $110

million in penalties and $115 million in returned bonuses from the three accused. On April 18, 2008, the government

announced a settlement with Raines together with J. Timothy Howard, Fannie's former chief financial officer, and

Leanne G. Spencer, Fannie's former controller. The three executives agreed to pay fines totaling about $3 million,

which will be paid by Fannie's insurance policies."

"On July 16, 2008, The Washington Post reported that Franklin Raines had "taken calls from Barack Obama's

presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." [6]. Also, in an editorial in

August 27, 2008 titled "Tough Decision Coming", the Washington Post editorial staff claimed that "Two members of Mr.

Obama's political circle, James A. Johnson and Franklin D. Raines, are former chief executives of Fannie Mae."

SOURCE WIKKIPEDIA

THIS IS OBAMA'S HOUSING AND FINANCIAL ADVISOR!

NOW LETS LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER AT THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_rest_of_the_meltdown_story.html

According to Neal Boortz, "Twenty years ago the buzz-word in the media was "redlining." Newspapers across the

country were filled with hard-hitting investigative reports about evil and racist mortgage lenders refusing to make

real estate loans to various minorities and to applicants who lived in lower-income neighborhoods. There I was

closing these loans in the afternoons, and in the mornings offering a counter-argument on the radio to these absurd

"redlining" claims. Frankly, the claims that evil mortgage lenders were systematically denying loans to blacks and

other minorities were a lot sexier on the radio than my claims that when credit histories, job stability,

loan-to-value ratios and income levels were considered there was no evident racial discrimination.

Political correctness won the day. Washington made it clear to banks and other lending institutions that if they did

not do something .. and fast .. to bring more minorities and low-income Americans into the world of home ownership

there would be a heavy price to pay. Congress set up processes (Research the Community Redevelopment Act) whereby

community activist groups and organizers could effectively stop a bank's efforts to grow if that bank didn't make

loans to unqualified borrowers. Enter, stage left, the "subprime" mortgage. These lenders knew that a very high

percentage of these loans would turn to garbage - but it was a price that had to be paid if the bank was to expand

and grow. We should note that among the community groups browbeating banks into making these bad loans was an outfit

called ACORN. There is one certain presidential candidate that did a lot of community organizing for ACORN. I won't

mention his name so as to avoid politicizing this column.

These garbage loans to unqualified borrowers were then bundled up and sold. The expectation was that the loans would

be eventually paid off when rising home values led some borrowers to access their equity through re-financing and

others to sell and move on up the ladder. Oops."

I APOLOGIZE TO ANY DEMOCRATS WHO THINK THAT BRINGING UP FACTS WHICH IMPLICATE OBAMA'S ARE OUT OF BOUNDS!

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM AT THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA MEDIA OUTLETS?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Harvard white guy — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:40:32 GMT

Posted By: Joke (September 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM)

Posted By: Harvard white guy

wow... nonsense:

Once you are done, do a little research on the KKK and it's roots, then dig deeper on the republican

I can't believe that you put this....

Here's a factoid for you Harvard White Guy::

ONLY 62% of Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act, vs. 92% of Republicans.....

-pw

Joke,

Dude you are not that ignorant, are you? Damn, you scared the bajeepers out of me and the entire blog community there for a minute!! whew!. You sure sound like the typical republican with his head so high up there; you cant tell which way the colon ends and the small intestines starts !!! All I said, there is honestly nothing the republican party has offered to 95% of Americans, the backbone of this great nation; except well, morality. The right wingers are nothing but hot air. They scream, fart, pollute the air and cant do anything about it. They have run the security of this great nation to the ground, they have run the economy of this great nation to the ground, they have run to the ground the average American's morale, a number so low, even the great depression had bigger numbers. Yet there are white people who know these facts very well and are democrats; but will just never vote for an AA!! It's insane. So for you JOKE to be that naive about what is really taking place is mind blowing. The media is scared to just say the fact and that is , IT'S NOT THAT OBAMA IS NOT CONNECTING, IF HE WAS A WHITE GUY, THIS RACE WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER BEFORE IT EVEN BEGUN. ALL RED STATES WOULD BE BLUE BY NOW, AND THE NEXT PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING PRETTY JUST WAITING TO BE INAUGURATED. I say this because, with this bad of an economy, with this bad a mortgage crisis, with this bad a war that is literally syphoning hard earned taxpayer money to some idiots in Iraq: the scales should have tipped to OBAMA as soon as the primaries were over. But because of the RACE issue AND THE MORALITY PRETANCE, it has not unfortunately. Get over yourselves you stupid republicans, your policies over the years towards anything NOT white AND MORALY RIGHT; speaks for themselves. Only God judges moral issues, so take that out of your freakin plates and lets talk issues alright. Dude, if you are in Boston, come by lets school you in political facts, stop going by distorted facts that date back to June 19, 1862 when Abe signed into law a ban on slavery. Abe Lincoln freed the slaves not because he wanted to bro, but because of the changing political landscape and the humanistic factor of a more educated sense of nationhood that had become the center of Americanism. Just as this election which I predict will be a landslide for Obama, because of the need to stop the bleeding and a brifge to nowhere of this great nation.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:41:24 GMT

yoyo491...Spot on with your last post. I thought this was an obvios point that noone talks about.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Bareu — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:41:46 GMT

This is Obama's accomplishements, now tell me he has no experience!! You liers!!

COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS:

Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

------------------------- As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa.

In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the 'Honest Leadership and Open Government Act', which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections. Obama also introduced the 'Iraq War De-Escalation Act', a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs. joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said 'shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.

**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006

is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction. Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.

Obama's tax ideas, per McCain, checked by Factcheck

FactCheck.org has produced an analysis of a frequent claim of the McCain campaign that Obama has voted many times to raise taxes. In the process, they also did a fact check on the Obama campaign. Here's what they have to say in their summary of the report, called "Tax Tally Trickery" (July 3, 2008).

Republican claim that Obama "voted 94 times for higher taxes" is "inflated and misleading" and "padded" FactCheck's review of the 94 votes showed:

53 of the 94 votes were on budget bills, not tax bills, and thus not tax increase measures; 4 of the 94 were on nonbinding resolutions related to conference negotiations; 23 of the 94 were for measures that would produce no tax increase at all (they were simply against additional proposed tax cuts); 7 of the 94 were for measures to reduce taxes for most, offset by raising taxes on relatively few corporations or wealthy individuals; 11 of the 94 votes were to increase taxes on those making more than $1 million annually in order to fund programs such as Head Start, veterans' health care many of the items listed were double-counting (or even quadruple counting) of votes on same measure The summary concludes that Obama has "voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper-income taxpayers but not on middle-or low-income workers. That's consistent with what he's said he'd do as president, which is to raise taxes only on those making more than $250,000 a year."

Obama's plan will result in less tax on the middle class & the lower class of wage earners up to $2,000 per year

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

suzyku — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:42:22 GMT

Obama has to fight fire with fire! He "tried" to run a fair campaign but mcsame started pulling out all the lies and b.s. of the karl rove people! Mcsame has sold his integrity and apparently his soul in order to get elected! He definitely does NOT put his country ahead of his own ambitions and on a daily, even hourly basis this becomes increasingly more apparent! He has gotten very good at lies and mendacity and choosing that fool palin, the cheney clone to be a heartbeat away from running this country at this country's expense, is all the proof I need to NEVER vote for this horrible man!

I say GO OBAMA!!!!!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Leah From IL — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:42:29 GMT

Bethany724,

I would have fired him too! He clearly has done this country a HUGE disservice.

yoyo491,

In reference to your first two paragraphs...Ah, it's refreshing to hear that there are others that truly know his record here in IL. People, listen up!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:47:56 GMT

Patton 34 -

I don;t think that McCain's military experience singularly qualifies him to be president.

I think that Obama's law degree is a more valuable asset than military experience.

I never served. No reason for it, just a) didn;t get drafted and b) never joined. that doesn;t disqualify me.

You have military experience. That doesn;t qualify you.

There are other things that are far more important and Senator McCain doesn;t have them.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

pugs — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:49:12 GMT

I didn't know the woman most likely to be Obama's Chief of staff was born in IRAN!

Interesting, and before anyone questions it do your homework it is TRUE!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

bonzi12 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:49:27 GMT

All this talk about changing politics and keeping it clean was pretty much a joke in the first place. I'm only 38, and I haven't been tuned in for very long (Carter/Reagan was the first election I can remember). But what I do recall from every election is that they are all dirty. Everybody lies. What I was hoping for in this one was a little less lying and mud-slinging. But, it's here. Now we must all look past that and do our best to make an informed decision. Do the research on our own. Decide, once again, between the lesser of two evils. Before someone jumps on that I was just using that as a common saying, I'm not saying either one of them are actually evil.

I would just like to see some middle ground from both parties.

My needs are this:

The morals of religious right should stay away from my body. I, and every woman deserves the right to choose. I have never opted for an abortion, but I don't think Government should legislate my body.

I don't mind paying taxes, I do believe it is the price you pay for living in a civilized country. But, I do think the tax-code should be fair.

I don't think welfare is now being used as it was intended and I want all those living off the taxes I work hard to pay to get of their butt and go to work. "The jobs Americans won't do" should be done by those Americans getting a hand out and not doing anything for it.

I'm all for clean water and air, and preserving wild life, but there has to be common sense. I want to go 4-wheeling in my truck without having to slow down to watch a turtle cross a desert path.

I do think that those American businesses should bring their money back to these shores and pay their taxes to this country. But, there also has to be some common sense there too. CEO's should stop thinking about their golden parachute (those shouldn't be allowed by the way if the company fails) and think about all those people who provide it.

I guess I'm liberal on some, moderate on others, and conservative on a couple. I don't know. All I know is that this country is too great, (I've been in others and am soooo grateful to be an American) to have the bad-rep we've received. Who ever wins needs to address that. But, first and foremost "TAKE CARE OF US FIRST"!!!! TAKE CARE OF AMERICANS!!!!!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

enoughalready — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:49:43 GMT

Responding to FREEDOM's post, and all you who think like her.

"The arrogance of Senator Obama is profound! I can't believe he feels that he can run the UNITED STATES of AMERICA with O experience. What is going on with this country , we are going to hire a man who has never run a local city or a state. I'm very scare for my future and the future of my children. Wake up people! See him for who he really is , a inexperienced senator with no backbone to head the UNITED STATES of AMERICAN. "

Really. We need to wake up? look in the morror. Let's think about this. As we sit here trading information on our personal computers, you in some part of the country, me in another, let's wonder where did this sharing come from. Were these information systems created by old wise, experienced technology geezers from IBM, Hewlett Packard, EDS (Ross Perot's company)? Or were they created and implemented by young, 20/30something new technology visionaries with nothing but dreams and determination? In fact, in 1975, at the dawn of the personal computer, all the IBMer's, HP'er's, EDSer's and the like were betting the future of this device was in hardware. No one listened to this young kid, a 20-year-old college dropout who bet the future of the personal computer would be driven by software. Yet, some 30+ years later, that know-nothing kid has been the richest man in the world for about half that time. And he, along with other 20-somethings with little experience from Google, Yahoo, Facebook, myspace, YouTube, Amazon--the list goes on and on--started and lead organizations that have changed our world and the way we function.

George Washington had 0 political experience when he became our first president, yet he set a precedent that lasts today. Lincoln had only four years more experience with a brand new political party, yet he guided us through our most difficult period and transformed our nation with a whole new set of values. Theodore Roosevelt was about the same age as Obama, but he put in safeguards that protected us from monopolies that still protect us today. Kennedy had only two years more experience and was two years younger, yet through his vision and leadership we put a man on the moon, passed civil rights legislation, cleverly withstood an attack from the Soviet Union.

Honestly Just a Mom, I do understand your fears. I'm scared too. I think we all are. But we've got to have the courage to stop thinking we can deal with 21st Century problems with outdated 19th century thinking. John MCCain, by his own admission, cannot even run a personal computer. In the middle of this financial crisis, he thinks a person with $5 million is not rich, the economy is fundamentally sound, and can't keep track of how many homes he owns. You have a right to be scared, but honestly, either way you vote, you are taking a big risk. Do we continue down the same path and hope things will suddenly change, or take change by the horns and go with a clear, creative thinker who is not stuck in an old box?

Experience is a false safety net, a crutch for people who refuse to see true potential and lack the guts to change. Experience is code for arrogant, rigid and stuck in their ways. This White House is THE MOST EXPERIENCED administration in the history of our nation, and look what a mess they have made of our country: an $800 billion a year trade deficit, a trillion budget deficit, the most powerful military force in the history of the world spending $10 billion in Iraq for over 6 years against a small band of guerrillas and not able to control them convincingly, a sinking dollar, and a financial crisis that is rapidly approaching the levels of the Great Depression. I could go on and on, but you get the point. With all due respect, you need to wake up! Einstein's definition of insanity was to continue to do the same thing and expect a different result. What we need is NOT more experience--we need fresh thinking. We need a political innovator, not more stale bread. Otherwise we may need to learn to speak Chinese and/or Indian because we won't have the financial wherewithall to afford our military or our capitalist system.

Think Of Others

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:52:13 GMT

Bareu, being on a commitee is not the same as chairing one. All of the things he has done were in preparation for running for President. Traveling to other countries is to give CRED to a foreign relations policy, work with vets is to give cred to some type of Veterans relations (which he has none). It is all a ruse to make you think he has DONE anything other than put his name on stuff and rolled out to places for PR and campaign $$$. My grandfather (who was a California Rep god bless his soul) said to me the sole function of a politician is to get reelected. Once you are in the clock to raise money for the next election starts. He never ran for a second term and wrote and validated laws for California til the day he died. I know all of this and I understand all of the ploys that both men are playing. Obama just is not qualified or indicative of the masses. McCain isnt either but he at least is a Veteran.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

True Thinking Man — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:54:39 GMT

Please people, on this whole economic issue...do some research, figure out how it really started and how we got here. Don't just throw darts at a wall hoping to hit something intelligent. Don't just take the info and believe it as fact...unless you want to truly be stupid, brainless Americans.

Here is how we got where we are today. Back in 1991, after the first Gulf War derailed what was a good, solid economy from Reaganomics after-effects, Bill Clinton's early policies (and more importantly, Alan Greenspan's) set the stage for a solid re-birth of the US Economy. We enjoyed a good, albeit greed-filled, late 1990's run that no economy can sustain forever. Problem is, the wealth created by Greenspan's (not Clinton anymore...he just got credit for the spoils after about 1995) successes got intoxicating for the American Public, who then wanted more and more. After the tech bubble hit in 2000 (BEFORE Bush took office, for those who blame that on him), the economy (still guided by Greenspan) was actually primed to get back on track until 9/11.

That started a whole new wave, which we recovered from again (and again, thanks to Greenspan and some actually well-timed tax relief from the Bush Admin). At that point, the masses, still licking their wounds from the market and their chops at the new opportunities offered by the down market, decided that leveraging their houses to try to create more wealth was a good idea. Add that to some unscrupulous lenders who capitalized on that greed and you have the settings for a disaster of epic proportions. Lack of checks and balances, and a whole lot of greed is what got us here, not Democrat or Republican...not even Bush, who's stimulus packages were in truth not much more than a finger trying to plug the leaky dam. It actually might have worked...IF the American Public had used their extra funds properly and not went out and bought new TV's.

NOW that we have that established...

How do we fix it? First, let's dispell some half-truths. AIG is not designed to be a bailout stuck on the taxpayers shoulders. It is a bridge loan that pays the Fed back nicely until AIG can sell some assets and create liquidity to manage their company properly. It should be a moneymaker, not a tax burden. So whomever was touting it as a new tax bill the Republicans stuck us with is miserably uninformed and too quick to blame others for an issue he helped create.

Lehman was too damaged to fix, regardless of who or how. Fannie and Freddie needed to be helped or we would all end up hoarding gold and oil and traveling in feral motorcycle gangs similar to The Road Warrior. It happened, we did it, not Bush, not Clinton...get over it.

So, how do we really get out of this? Neither candidate has defined anything tremendously concrete yet, but we could look at it two ways. One way would be to raise taxes and create too many new programs in the government to help the poor, re-educate the masses, find us all better jobs, spread the wealth to all people and ultimately create an uber-happy utopia. Sounds a hell of a lot like a Brave New World/1984 scenario to me, but maybe a bit more socialist. Another way would be to cut costs, cut spending, leave taxes close but lower them a little to help the average guy but still bring in income to the government to help fix the problem we all created. We keep too much control out of our lives but make it a little more structured along the way without taking away our freedoms.

These are extreme examples, but representative of both sides idealistic views. Extreme Uber-Obama cannot pay for all his new programs without raising taxes on far more than just the wealthy and corporations (who, btw, will take more jobs overseas to pay less taxes). 2009 might be lowered, but 2010 will see the end of the Bush tax cuts (which helped) and the tax fiesta for all will begin. Tax credits for education based on service to community (for a class of Americans that would have to earn $25k+ a year to make the tax credit fully realized...how many students do you know that make that much, still have time to study AND time for community service???) is a side road veering slightly off from Marxist Avenue.

Extreme McCain will not give everyone massive tax breaks, not alter things too much from the foundation, and not give everyone the ability to feed their greed. Might be upsetting to a few, but would not be a radical change and not a radical invasion of your freedom of choice.

In the end, I'm a numbers guy who probably studies too much to come to a conclusion. I invite you to do your research first before spewing more vitriol on someone else in effort to make a half-hearted point.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

NeoconsareFascists — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:59:00 GMT

Hey, "pugs", where do you get your info from, the KKK website? Or are you one of these "paid" Republi-con bloggers? Sounds like more lies and nonsense...

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:00:38 GMT

Question:

How does anyone make a rational argument for Sarah Palin to be Vice President?

Don;t tell me it's because she's a governor becuase there are many better choices he could have made if that was the prerequisite.

He made a political move - and it will cost him the election. Period. He could have been president. But I think that this choice is so very bad, that it will turn the undecideds against him.

I thought that by voting for Obama it was going to be symbolic only. McCain would win, and we would have another old white guy in the House. But now that he has proven that his judgment is poor - I think O-man has a chance.

Oh well - have a good weekend everyone.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

yoyo491 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:04:28 GMT

March 2009...just months into Barack Obama's term as president...the US is hit by a massive terrorist attack....

"Mr. President, we've lost 10,000 people in Los Angeles, and elements of Hezbollah in Lebanon are claiming responsibility...what are your directives, sir"

Obama: "Present, I vote present".

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Leah From IL — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:04:53 GMT

Bareu posted:

The summary concludes that Obama has "voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper-income taxpayers but not on middle-or low-income workers. That's consistent with what he's said he'd do as president, which is to raise taxes only on those making more than $250,000 a year."

Obama's plan will result in less tax on the middle class & the lower class of wage earners up to $2,000 per year.

I'm assuming you (and others) think this is a good idea and will turn the economy around. Why should people who make more have to pay a higher RATE of income tax? As it is they already pay more than most of us do. Our current tax system doesn't favor the upper middle class at all. But, that's OK...as long as it's them and not you. The assumption here (with higher taxes) is that government needs more money to fix things. Untrue. The government needs to be more fiscally responsible with what it has and cut out a lot of waste. If the government has the money to bail out AIG and buy up worthless mortgage paper (which it really doesn't since it's all debt anyway) why would anyone think they need MORE. Secondly, those in the $250,000 and up own most of the small to medium sized businesses in this country (i.e. they employ lower income people). A heavy tax burden on these people will do two things. First, they'll increase their prioes and take home a larger gross income so they have the same net. The burden falls to the consumer. And/or, second, they'll cut jobs. Now those people can go from paying a very low rate of income tax to none at all! Wonderful. They can go on unemployment and welfare and place a heavier burden on our already overly taxed (no pun intended) system. That's the way to stimulate the economy alright.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Patton34 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:05:13 GMT

Being a Veteran is more valuable than a college degree. Serving your country and fighting for our way of life is the symbol of a true patriot. While one does not make you more qualified than the other having a military background, going to a military academy (which is infinately more difficult than any American College as it is more diverse and stressful) and more government experience trumps college no military experience and less government experience. Now it is a math game. I take more experience than less. Just like in all other facets in life we imply logic to...just not here because we are so desperate for change we are listening to this man we hardly know seduce us like a snake charmer tickling our ears with empty promises while he strokes Hollywood fat cats for $$$$ while attacking his opponents running mate. LOL Stay in your lane Obama. McCain is the target. But while Obama attacks Sara McCain will run away with the election and the Starbucks crowd will cry in their coffee and blog on their lap tops about how unfair it is that Big Business beat them again. My question is...are we not used to it yet? It really doesnt matter who the President is. They cant change anything and never have. It takes a collective effort from all three branches of GOV. And another tid bit from my Grand Father, "no elected official has ever made and passed ground breaking legislation in the history of our Nation. This is due to the fact if it goes wrong it isnt their fault and wont cost them Re-Election" You can take that to the bank. I never argue with a genius and a Rocket Scientist turned Lawyer is only short a Doctor makes Genius.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

rube — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:05:47 GMT

I understood every word of the ad, I know Spanish.

The ad basically states Limbaugh is a bigot- which he undenialbly is. Who out there would deny this?

The ad futher states that "RUSH" advocates the policies of George Bush and John McCain , which he does. Who out there denies this?

And that the republicans are two faced when it comes to immigration legislation, which they are!

I dont know a single Hispanic that when confronted with the history of immigration, bigotry and the ethics of culture would vote for McCain/Bush/GOP!

The only issue that galvinizes the hispanic vote towards the right is Abortion. But when you see the litany of death from right wing policies with regard to war, hands down the GOP is loosing that vote too! There is plenty of hypocracy to go around both parties- the GOP have created more than their own fair share! Align yourself with the party who's cheating and lying will hurt you the least!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Bareu — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:08:11 GMT

Hey Patton34

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

* Name your kids Willow, Trig, and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.

* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

You are a veteran so you are automatically qualified

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

OK, much clearer now.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:08:46 GMT

yo yo - that's pretty funny - but not nearly as bombastic as Bush's response to 9/11.

Not to mention the world chaos he created in the aftermath.

I'll take "present" any day over the neocon approach.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

obama08az — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:10:23 GMT

I agree with alot of the points made some in both rep and dem issues. As it has been said, what we are going through right now is not dem fault. Not only dem bought houses and over extended their boundries but also rep. Now the people to blame are the banks that allowed this to happen. Both the dem and rep have or had jobs that allowed them to pay for their houses until all the gold lining was cut short since it was cutting into the banks profits. Who is benefiting from all of this? Our 401k and our paychecks? Now yes , in my opinion, I agree the Rep in office has not made this easy. Yes there is a dem rule in congress but has it changed. It is easy to claim change but look at history with out even doing research. Remember when you were a kid as your history. It always went much better for us, (high-end lower class, low-end middle class) when a dem was in office. My dad worked more. There was not a shortage of $ to pay for the necessities and less unemployment. Really something has to give. I believe both McCain and Obama have a lot of work ahead of them whoever wins. Again, they both have dirty hands and skeletons in their closets. What do you expect they are politicians. But what I have seen is on Obama website, there is a written plan on what he is proposing to do. I have not seen or heard anything from McCain to give some hope. Again, it is words said or written and that is all we can have right now because neither one has any power to prove what they can do. Like other elections before, I do not like neither one rep or dem for being slimey but I have alittle more hope in the dem to help our working poor along with the middle class. We are always the worst hit. Really who has gained? Oil companies, Financial companies and any other rich organization. And who has paid their profits and now who is paying their bail outs? And who is going to bail us out? Only time will tell, but I really do not want to see another 4 years of the same "Bush" like politics so I am going to give "Change" a try. How bad can it be? I really do not think we can hit any lower than we are now. We need new fresh look on the situation. Who has any experience in what is happening now? None of the 4 running mates do. So do not fall on that excuse.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:11:01 GMT

Patton 34 - there you go again

The night before Obama was stroking hollywood fat cats, McCain was stroking his own fat cats.

I am impressed with the naval academy - honestly I am.

But I am more impressed by harvard law review.

Sorry......

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Joke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:13:44 GMT

Harvard white guy,

I can't even reply to you. We're polar opposites and there's nothing that I can say which will stop you from being a conspiracy theorist. I mean a president doessn't just come into office and the economy immediately falls... This happens over time, and unfortunately we were stuck wtih GWB trying to fix what his predecessor left him. Then on top of that the Stockmarket crash (Tech Stocks to be specific), then 9/11 happened, now the housing issues from when everyone stopped buying stock and started buying property... I'm done, believe in the toothfairy if you want..

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

NeoconsareFascists — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:15:37 GMT

March 2009...just months into John McCain's term as president...the US is hit by a massive terrorist attack....

"Mr. President, we've lost 10,000 people in Los Angeles, and elements of Hezbollah in Lebanon are claiming responsibility...what are your directives, sir"

McCain: "Why, we'll bomb those Chinese-backed ba$+@rd$ ento eternity. I'll make them suffer, just like they made me suffer!"

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

roneco — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:16:01 GMT

I'm afraid Obama has the same moral character as his economic advisor Franklin Raines. Raines cooked the books as head of Fannie Mae and walked away with 25 Million dollars in bonuses that were a result of overreported income. No prison time, he was allowed to retire early. Fannie, however, was fined 400 Million dollars for lax accounting procedures. Obama hires him after all of this. Stinks, doesn't it ???????

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:16:42 GMT

Another question -

Has anyone been paying attention for the last 8 years?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Jack 8590 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:20:02 GMT

roneco -

you are right. hiring Raines is indefensible.

Kind of like voting 95% with Bush this year, hiring Sarah Palin for VP, and having Phil Gramm as your economic advisor.

But I do agree with you - Obama should have done better.

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Neicey — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:22:41 GMT

I'm less interested in the ads of either McCain or Obama. I'm more interested in the fact that Newsweek decided to point a finger at Obama. Why didn’t they point the finger at McCain months ago? While McCain/Palin have been busy proving that they cannot” not tell a lie” over the last two weeks, the mainstream corporate owned media largely sat silent. Were it not for the internet and its users, the McCain/Palin lies (which they are still speaking to this day) would probably have gone unchallenged by big media. Big media got involved only after the bloggers outed the story and exposed that MSNBC, CNN, etc., were asleep on the job. Newsweek's decision to print a major story about negative ads from the Obama campaign and reiterate some of the Republican lies within its own article clearly shows for whom they work. So while the economy collapses and the people buy an insurance company – AIG – even though they can't afford insurance and “single payer health care plan” remain dirty words, the power movers' mouthpiece disguised as a non-partisan media outlet manipulates the populace with their favorite tactic that always seems to work "divide and conquer."

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

rube — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:24:37 GMT

I have to say this, some one on this thread brought up a hypothetical situation that if Senator Obama were president and LA were bombed, what would he do? “He would vote present!”

This is ridiculous! Its a lousy joke!

First of all, this is about an add that Obamas camp created for the Hispanic community.

Mister you dont even address the subject of the article/the add!

Anyway your hypothetical situation is bogus...

Here is the real scene...

George “W”Bush is our president, he is in Florida visiting an elementary school...

He gets the word through a bodyguard that two commercial airliners have attacked New York!

What does he do? He sits in a little chair for 8 minutes without doing a thing or saying a thing or issuing any sort of order! He eventually talks to the Lord/God and attacks a country that has absolutely nothing to do with the attacks! Our nation goes broke during his tenure- etc. etc. etc.

Now what were you spewing?

Mr. your conjecture, as most conservative views these days is not valid!

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

yoyo491 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:24:39 GMT

Rube,

I would deny your claim that Rush is a bigot, he isn't. The ad distorts what he said a decade ago, saying that Nafta would take jobs from stupid unskilled white workers and give them to stupid unskilled Mexican workers. The ad, of course shamelessly dishonest, only puts in the end part of the comparison to try to fake as though it was an anti-Hispanic directive. ABC New's Jake Tapper has destroyed this claim, it's in the article above if a rube like you can read. Same for the "get out of America" lie in the ad, Rush never said that, it's an obvious distortion of his comment, which plays well with certain low intellects. If you compare Rush's actual comments with what Obama is telling Hispanics Rush said, you see the total contempt the Obama campaign has for Hispanics that they think they can get away with it and Hispanics will be too dumb to read articles like the above and catch them in their lie.

But what Rush said matters little. It's what McCain thinks. Anyone with minimal awareness knows Rush is not a big fan of McCain and they are diametrically opposed on illegal immigration. McCain in favor of illegals breaking our laws because it would be too insensitive to only allow in people who are checked, Rush is against. So the answer to your second question as to who can deny Rush supports McCain on this issue is: anyone above Down's Syndrome level intellect.

And of course, you're stupidly uninformed on Bush's policies toward illegals. He along with McCain were all on board for amnesty for everyone who busted in here illegally. The Democrats, Bush and a few congressional Republicans like McCain were all on board. The rest of the Republican party has the strange notion that immigrants can only enter the country at checkpoints legally, and that we should know which foreigners are entering the country.

So Rube, your post clears up for us the fact that you spent the last 3 or 4 years in a pot haze, missed the "comprehenensive, amnesty, border enforcement" debates, missed that Bush and McCain were trying to cajole Republicans into legalizing all illegals, with Democrats fully backing them, but eventually the issue became too toxic, especially in reddish districts that blue dog Democrats had just won after 2006. Being in favor of illegal immigration is difficult in any American district to the right of the Hillary Clinton. Let me give you the basics again, then, since you're an uninformed fool on everything relating to illegal immigration that happened this decade. Democrats, Bush, McCain for "comprehensive immigration reform", i.e. amnesty for all, rest of Republicans only for legal immigration. Issue still at standstill, public firestorm stalled amnesty plans of 2006-07.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

Newsie Spice — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:29:47 GMT

Clinton left Bush a mess? How can anyone say that? Bush had a huge surplus. He spent it by sending it back to us instead of shoring up any messes. Then after 9/11 everyone, I mean everyone, in the world was behind us except a small group known as Al Quida, and Bush blew it all. We could be leading the world right now, but because our President is a bufoon, the world is laughing at us and hoping that everything crashes to the ground. The government shouldn't be rescuing private industry. EVERYONE needs to fail at something. No exec should be safe. You fouled up, you lose all, just like all of us working class people. No million dollar retirements.

As for the ads, I think Obama has a leg to stand on with the discrimination he's talking about. mcSame is an old white guy, who can't remember how many houses he has. I bet out Latino friends haven't forgotten how absolutely terrible their lives were that they needed to come here. McSames ad was more condecending that Obama's.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

chiefagc — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:30:09 GMT

I see the rove lemmings are busy posting their lies here. Obama DIDNOT hire Raines.

Lying repugnants should be deported for treason- I know the penalty is death but let's just send them away- Iraq maybe?

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

blue in a red state — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:39:15 GMT

Fannie and Freddie are corportations and not allowed to give money to candidates. However, their employees can. So, when you see that Obama received more money than McCain, it's from the employees. However, the lobbyists for these corporations are not counted under the companies data. If you take lobbyists for Fannie and Freddie, McCain has received more support.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

siculi — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:41:30 GMT

Well My money is on Obama .,Not only to win the election.. ,but to get us out of this mess...``thank God for Harvard Constitutional Law.The gig is up...And China is waiting for the U.S. first to fold.. which ,it doesn`t matter whether our tax base is depleted or not...We have nothing to offer anyone.And once China sees that they have no American Costumers >>>they will seize American companies in China and will put pad-locks on them ..(as debt collection..( you are not dealing with a friend ..you are dealing with Communist China...Next... Dubai .. ( The Get Aaway Spot .. (aih aih ) not so fast...Dubai is tied into the same system that China will be on.. all U.S.A. ( PRIVATE WEALTH ) ,once the U.S. economy has collapsed ..WILL BE DEBT WEALTH ..AND ANY NATION THAT IT IS ,IN WILL HAVE SOLE CONTROL OVER IT. AND IF IT IS ILLEGAL YOU KNOW DAMNED WELL YOU TAKE THAT AS A LOSS ..OR FACE INDICTMENT..This is the true delima...BUT MORE...sticking a puppet as Mccain in the White house, when the World Community is so accepting of The Havard Law Professor with street savy ., And The Veteren Foreign Policy Expert ),will further cause chaos..One P.O.W.stated that Mccain is a P.O.W. WITH A HOT TEMPER..MCCAIN SAID ,ONLY WEEKS BEFORE RUSSIA PARKED NUCLEAR CAPABLE JETS IN VENUZUELA``` The Russians need a``` GOOD SLAP ``` I can`t in any seriousness discuss his ..( vp) pick..Is that too much credit.The nations of the world see us as not being serious about the mess we have created around the world with, a dismal choice from the G.O.P. the likes of Mccain ...And the Nations of THIS WORLD WILL ACT ACCRDINGLY WITH THE CHOICE WE MAKE..but let it be known ..that the Nations of the World see Mccain as a Puppett..and will act accrdingly...and the mistakes the U.S.A. make from here on will be grave..I can tell you with all honesty..we have the toy ( YES WE GOT THE TOYS) s that will bring the Capatalist name BACK to the U.S.A. We have what it takes to bring not only The U.S.A. TO COMMONWEALTH STATUS ,but OUR consumer ,( China ), to vast economic grow..THRUMPING OPEC .THE RACE FOR ALTERNATIVE ENERGY IS ON.. THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD CAN`T AFFORD THIS HIGH STAND, AND HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO REMEDY THIS DELIMA..AND WHO EVER IS THE FIRST TO WIN THIS RACE AND SUPPLY CHINA AND OTHE DEVELOPED AND DEVELOPING NATIONS WITH PERFECTED ALTERNATIVE ENERGY ..WILL CONTROL THE WORLD.. THIS IS ..THE NEW WORLD ORDER This is true .If it were not ,I wouldn`t have told you.We are here .This is our Generatrion We know how to repair this..But It will happen only under An Obama / Biden Presidency.

re: Obama Fights Fire with Fire--Predictably Enough. That Whole "Postpartisan" Thing Was Never Going to Work Out, Was It?

bonzi12 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:41:47 GMT

I have a question:

Does bailing out these companies mean individuals won't lose their homes? Or, is this just a bailout to save the company and not the individuals they preyed on. I'm sorry, but I personally know young couples who were given these loans who should not have even qualified. This wasn't compassionate. This was outright greed and now they're going under.

Can someone answere that for me or am I way off base.