McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

foxblaze — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:54:21 GMT

I think you can't underestimate McCain's physical demeanor. His inability to look his opponent in the eye, and show any sort of deference was telling. I thought Mr. Obama was the more mature candidate in stature, and his even temperament was an allusion to his earlier handling of the financial news. In contrast, McCain seemed flustered and perhaps even bitter, which doesn't bode well given his recent erratic behavior.

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C. MacLean — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:57:39 GMT

Have to disagree. McCain seemed narrowly focused, stuck in the past, told a few stories which made him seem irrelevant. Obama seemed to do a better job of seeing the bigger picture. In particular, every time McCain tried to say Obama was 'naive' or 'didn't understand' Obama came right back and showed he understood and then some, adding new info each time.

Far from being on the defensive, he made McCain look inflexible and dogmatic.

Obama needed to show he could hold his own on foreign policy, and did a good job. McCain needed to show he isn't Bush. In this area he didn't do a good job.

Advantage: Obama.

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patzav — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:03:16 GMT

My overall view of debate:

I give Obama the edge because of his demeanor and knowledge.

McCain came across as mean-spirited and contemptuous. Several times he looked as if he was going to explode

McCain main argument: EVERYTHING IS ABOUT IRAQ WAR WAR WAR EVERYWHERE WE CAN NEVER LEAVE IRAQ WE MUST WIN IN IRAQ (I thought we did)

Obama main argument: We can't just focus on Iraq. The next president must have a broader focus and be ahead of the game. Look at the whole world and fix problems (global warming e.g.) before they become a crisis. He seems very proactive not reactive like McCain

Obama seemed more relaxed and confident

McCain appeared tightly wound and angry. Not the kind of person I want with his finger on the button and negotiating with world leaders.

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TN Girl — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:11:02 GMT

McCain used the same old lines, the same old stories and talked about himself more than about any issue. Obama, on the other hand stayed on issue and was not ugly, as was McCain. I think if you look at the polls coming out, Obama was the winner and you are wrong.

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MET9 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:19:00 GMT

I must have missed the dabate being discussed the in the above article. Obama was without doubt the better overall example of a qualified president.He actually had the outline of an economic plan to speak about, which mccain was greatly lacking. mccain's plan sounds more like he wants to keep making the concessions to large companies that bush has been making all of this time.He also reminded me of something else, the way he talked about his foreign policy put me in mind of the "Iran Contra Affair". He just doesn't strike me as a person who would give a good impression of our country to anyone that he conducts negotiations with.

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churroostalin322 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:27:43 GMT

Why Senator Obama Will Be The Next President....because of what he didn't say...

In Friday's Presidential Debate, on National T.V., in front of the whole world, John McCain said, and I quote...

"A war that I was in, where we had an Army, that it wasn't through any fault of their own, but they were defeated...."

Note to John McCain: In the United States military, we salute with our "palms down or closed", because we have "NEVER" lost a War!

Withdrawal is not defeat! Defeat is when you "surrender"!

Do you know how many American soldiers died in that war?! You're talking about our Viet Nam Veterans!

You're a candidate for President of "these" United States!

So, a former U.S. Military Officer believes the Viet Namese "defeated" the United States of America!?

The transcript of the debate is on the World Wide Web, including John's comment that..."we" don't ever torture a prisoner ever again.

If you make these types of statements to the world, you have to clarify them...you have to state that "we" refers to the individuals that were disciplined "not" the United States!

How could you give credence to such BS!

ENOUGH!!!

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Godsgal — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:30:36 GMT

This guy always writes with a favor to republicans, he's cute, but annoying

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OKYB — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:46:56 GMT

Hey Andy? That you are conservative does not mean you shouldn't be able to see the fact that someone (Obama) tonight challenged McCain's so much touted foreign policy expertise-without flinching an eye. One thing though, against the usual perception that McCain is not a good debater, I thought McCain performed okay but did not overshadow Obama even though it was Mccain's turf - foreign policy. McCain was condescending in his statements, telling you how he thinks and acts, and Obama was thoughtful and seem to consider the ramifications of his words and the actions he would take should he become president. So stop the whole news that McCain won - unless it is not the same debate we are talking about. I think Obama held his ground and maintained his poise throughout the debate... he showed attributes of someone ready to take charge of the leadership of this great country.

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JimWalsh — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:59:35 GMT

Obama has won in every poll I have seen. The MediaCurves poll was especially interesting because it was for Independent voters

MediaCurves had a focus group of Independent voters.

61% said Obama won, 39% McCain won

http://mediacurves.com/

The Frank Luntz focus group said Obama won.

The favorite statement for Frank Luntz's focus group that has wires connected to people for measuring their responses:

Mr. McCain’s judgment in supporting the Iraq war.

“You like to pretend like the war started in 2007 — you talk about the surge. The war started in 2003,” Mr. Obama said. “At the time, when the war started, you said it was going to be quick and easy. You said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong. You said that we were going to be greeted as liberators. You were wrong.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i23rDuymLwk

The Frank Luntz focus groups on Palin was 2 to 1 against Palin

http://tinyurl.com/4jd2cn

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ru4real6846 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:00:08 GMT

How the hell do you people can say that McCain won. You people must be republicans. McCain didn't even know what he was talking about. Obama had McCain stuttering with every word that came out of his mouth. I can see now that this election, just like 2000 and 2004, will be crooked. All these people know how to do is cheat, just like Bush did. You people don't have a brain in your head, if you think McCain won. You are full of crap, each and every one of you.

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scottya — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:06:38 GMT

McCain lost the debate mostly on style than substance. It is the economy, stupid. Republicans under Bush have driven the economy into the ground. Unemployment is rising, people are losing their homes, and those of us fortunate enough to have jobs have seen big negative returns in our retirement funds. McCain wasted most of his time talking about issues voters don't care about and is out of touch with pocketbook issues by saying that the economy is strong and that earning $5 million a year means your family middle class. Obama understands this, but I think he needs to focus more in it for the remainder of the campaign. He did not knock McCain out.

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singlefin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:07:50 GMT

Obama won. full stop. Be honest.

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SunDeigo — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:08:01 GMT

YOU MUST BE CRAZY IF YOU CAN SIT THERE AND SAY McCAIN WON. IS STUPID WRITTEN ON YOUR HEAD. OBAMAN WON 69% SO THAT MEANS McCAIN LOST. I SEE THE STUPID ON YOUR FOREHEAD NOW. McCAIN THINKS WE WILL VOTE FOR HIM DUE TO HIS SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRYTHAT IS WHY WE SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM. HE STANDS THERE AND SAY HE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE VETERANS , WELL WHAT THE HELL HAS HE DONE SO FAR WITH THE IRAQ INJURED COMING HOME. VISITING THEM. DOES NOTHING TO HELP THEM UP ON THE HILL. OBAMA HAS DONE MORE FOR THE VETERANS AND SHAME ON YOU McCAIN. YOU DON'T HAVE MY VOTE WITH I CAN HAVE FORIEGN POLICY CAUSE I CAN SEE RUSSIA NOW. WHAT A JOKE AND A WASTE OF OUR TIME TO EVEN WATCH YOU. WE WANT OBAMA GO HOME PALIN STAY IN RUSSIA AND McCAIN YOUR TO OLD AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONNNECT WITH THE PEOPLE.

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Jamey H — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:10:03 GMT

"McCain wasn't perfect tonight. Far from it, in fact. He scowled, smirked and refused to look at his rival, conveying an air of condescension that could turn off some undecideds" I think you have McCain confused with Obama- Obama's smug arrogance was sickening. Calling Senator McCain "John" whilst Senator McCain referred to his less-than-worthy opponent as Senator Obama shows his ability to deal with those on an inferior level. Obama cannot and should not lead this country as is obvious from this debate.

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tkjer — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:12:07 GMT

I would say Obama fared better in the debate for some of the very reasons Andy says he lost. McCain was far less polished in weaving in his talking points. He clumsily went off topic and threw in the most irrational, emotional tidbits of nonsense. He claims expert judgment because he's been places and done that already. He's stared facts in the face and still hasn't seen the reality.

The most striking difference between them is their age. McCain looks older and older by the minute. McCain's message may not be so terrible but the messenger delivering it looks and sounds feeble compared to Obama's youth and vigor. The contrast makes every statement of McCain's sound old-fashioned and quaint, but not particularly intelligent or relevant.

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StellaZ — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:12:44 GMT

If winning means being rude and sarcastic and a borderline bully, I guess if this is Survivor or Big Brother, you are right. I prefer a President who is respectful, generous and polite, yet tough, intelligent, smart, and assertive. That is what Senator Obama demonstrated. That's a winner, in my book.

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jenfp2532 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:14:23 GMT

I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE HELL YOU SAY THAT MCCAIN WON. THATS ABOSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! I HAVE LITERALLY LOOKED AT 10 POLLS (I COUNTED) TONIGHT, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAD OBAMA WINNING BY MORE THAN A 10-POINT MARGIN. THESE WERENT LITTLE 1000 PEOPLE WEBSITES, IM TALKIN CNN AND MSNBC CALIBUR WEBSITES. I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GOT YOUR STATISTICS,INFORMATION, OR OPINIONS FROM, BUT IT IS FAAAAR FROM WHAT I AM SEEING AND VERY FAAAAR FROM WHAT I AM HEARING FROM EVERYONE I SPEAK TO. MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECKS YOUR FACTS, TALK TO MORE PEOPLE, AND MAYBE EVEN WATCH THE DEBATE AGAIN BECAUSE SAYING THAT MCCAIN WON IS JUST PLAIN WRONG. AND ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE STICKING UP FOR HIM AND PALIN WITH NO FACTS TO SAY EXCEPT THE MEDIA IS BIASED ABSOLUTELY DISGUST ME AND SCARE THE HELL OUT OF ME AS TO WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE IN MY COUNTRY. I THOUGHT THAT MOST PEOPLE OF THE USA HAD MORE SENSE THAN THAT, I GUESS I WAS WRONG!

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Rezza — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:16:38 GMT

You have to be kidding my McCain won. Did you watch the debate. This is ridiculous. Obama by far showed he is ready to be the President of the United States. McCain deferred questions and did not represent his plans with any detail at all. Obama was very articulate and answered all the questions in a very informative and well thought out manner. Obama showed he could be presidential and stay calm and collected while McCain was clearly testy and obnoxious. The worst was McCain saying cutting government spending is going to fix the financial problems. What the ...? I think we need more than that to get out of this mess. I only heard a plan from Obama...and NOW he's the only one I trust. Being one of those "Independent" voters...OBAMA, YOU HAVE MY VOTE!

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kirk0827 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:19:54 GMT

Andy, does truth matter? If a candidate repeatedly mischaracterizing himself and his opponent, are we suppose to be believe him? McCain either has a warped sense of the truth, or he is a liar. He said he loves veterans, but he continually votes against body armor, healthcare and educational benefits for veterans. Your right Obama was on the defensive, but I don't respect a person who lies and tries to lead the discussion away from the most relevant issues.

Mr. Andy does not understand the American people are not stupid. We are tired of voting against our own economic interest so that you can get your tax cuts. Mr. Andy you just don't understand.

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NationTraveler — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:20:26 GMT

How many of you want to live in a socialist society? Vote Obama. If you value your worth as an American, the vote McCain. I spent five years in prison for armed robbery in the mid-90's and recently won my civil rights back and can now vote. I live a modest life with my wife and three kids, I pay my own health insurance, own a home, drive a new car, and watch my HDTV. I enjoy those freedoms and I refuse to pay for lazy, ignorant liberals who just want a hand out. You want to six figure income like this ex-convict.....WORK FOR IT LIKE I DID.

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Overlooking — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:21:04 GMT

What the HECK were you watching?

Newsweek needs to get a new reviewer of debates!

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Jamey H — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:23:40 GMT

Stella Z- did we watch the same debate, or are you a half-wit?

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ccur — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:25:15 GMT

I was hoping for a better performance from Obama, but frankly didn't see it. Indeed he was very reactionary and didn't pose a clear vision for US foreign policy, except to mention his VP pick. He wandered too much in his message when he should be railing against the war and showing alot more passion/ confidence and command of the issues. I have to admit McCain appeared more experienced, presidential and ready to take office. I could almost vote for him if it weren't for his strange VP pick and the fact that he's 72...

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justmeinaz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:27:09 GMT

I thought McCain had a strong lead over Obama as well, for the same reasons.

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mrsmelonhead — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:28:13 GMT

McCain would not look at Obama once! That was disgusting and condescending. I think he is a bigot. He doesn't think Obama is good enough to be on the same stage.

McCain has to surround himself with Barbie dolls - his wife, Sarah Palin, and Nancy Pfotenhauer. He is just a grumpy dirty old man.

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Puggles — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:28:19 GMT

Dear Sir, The obvious is to attack you on the premise that you SAW the debate, but that's ridiculous. Your comments tend to lead us to the other side. MY GOD, why on earth would you say that this 'person' won?? When eyes, heart, soul and principal tell us opposite!! Thine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of THE OBAMA! He surely smoked your a$$.

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missconservative — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:28:26 GMT

I'm voting for Obama and must offer an objective opinion about his debate with McCain. Score one for McCain! McCain dominated the debate and kept driving home the point that Obama just doesn't get it and is naive. Even though I don't believe it, those are the sound bites that sticks out in a voter's mind. Obama really pissed me off when he kept saying "I agree with McCain...McCain is right...I also agree." I understand that he's taking the mature route but there is no reason for him to verbally acknowledge McCain as being right. McCain's campaign has every right to cut and paste all of those ridiculous comments! I also think Obama missed out on several excellent opportunities to remind the American people about what's at stake. McCain keeps saying that we have a victory in Iraq, but not even General Petraeus is ready to use that word! President Bush used the "Mission Accomplished" banner before we suffered the highest fatalities. Obama should have mentioned that! He also missed the opportunity to remind people that Al Qaeda was based in Afganistan before we attacked. With the debacle in Iraq they're now in more than sixty countries. Obama should also have mentioned that Bush has said on several occasions that we would pull our troops out if the Iraqi government asked. When the Iraqi government asked, they don't want to do it. American occupation in other countries is exactly what has soured Al Qaeda's opinion of us. I also disagree with McCain about America being safer. We have turned many other countries against us and Al Qaeda is currently planning attacks for U.S. soil. We don't even have the military to protect ourselves! These are all talking points Obama needs to mention if he expects to win this election.

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cagday — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:31:30 GMT

I am a big Obama supporter and think he has better policies and is smarter and is the right man to run this ocuntry. BUT unfortunetly he DID win the Debate,and he could have so easily I hate to say it. I mean Obama was given such a great set up when MCcains first sentence was about how the current governemnt was wastefull and bloated and that it had wasted so much money, this is Repulican government that JOHN McCain has been a part of for 26 YEARS!!! Obama could have slammed him on this so easily by saying "Wait John let me get this straight your complaining about a Republican government and YOU ARE Republican and you have been participating in this goverenment for over 26 years, if you were so concerned about this wastefull spending why did you you not do enough about it and if you couldnt then why did you stick wth your own party if you they are so wastefull and bad. What have you been all this time? Little late to jump on board now dont you think?" McCain would have sat with his mouth open in disbelief not knowing what to say next!! Obama would have killed him right then and there, McSame would have been eliminated instead he didnt take advantage of that oportunity , he may never get another chance to call out McCain again, I am dissapointed in that.

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informed99 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:32:21 GMT

The perception that McCain had Obama on the defensive is a short sighted view. McCain's performance evening was a repeat of the misinformation regarding Obama's positions and record. Let's face it: When McCain did this, what choice did Obama have but to respond. If Obama had not responded to McCain's distortion of the truth, the press and talking heads would have criticized Obama for his inaction. Here was a guy giving incorrect and at times imcomplete information. Haven't we already had 8 years of that? Why do we want more?

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cagday — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:35:15 GMT

I meant to say I think Obama DID NOT win the Debate in my earlier post, sorry about any confusion.

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lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:35:16 GMT

I don't believe we watched the same debate. I didn't see a thing the previous bloggers are saying. Obama seemed scared, and totally untruthful. He didn't once sound sinc ere. Senator McCain is indeed the seasoned statesman. Obama needs some more schooling or time in government. He most definately didn't have the experience that his people feed him. And he didn't deliver their message at all.I could almost see red coming from his face the last hour. Give me a break people. This guy is no leader he is a stooge and a patsy. Remember Ben Laden saying he would get this country from "THE INSIDE". You better wake up before you pull the lever in the voting booth.

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iwaly919 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:35:41 GMT

Debate or not, the fact remains that Obama is inexperienced to handle the job of the most powerful position on the most powerful nation on earth. The US presidency is not about delivering rhetorics. Obama may be an outstanding speaker, but the presidency is not about making speeches on promises for future actions.

The Democratic Party is not bereft of polished and experienced candidates, but they settled for the inexperienced Obama. Is it mainly because of his popularity? Then the democrats are giving disservice to the country.

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rosyboka — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:35:53 GMT

We must not have watched the same debate!!!! Mc Cain is dangerous and should never be elected president of United States of America. He was rude, contemptous, sarcastic, out of focused, out of touch, full of temper, shy (never looked his opponent i the eyes), brief didn't know what he was talking about .... Obama by far won this debate as he appeared to be more on task, smart, honest, polite, knowledgeable, presidentiable, brief OBAMA IS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT. There is no need for Mc Cain to continuing campaigning; that's the reason why he "suspended" his campaign. He is too scared to loose. HE MUST CLOSE HIS CAMPAIGN AND RETIRE NOW WHILE IT'S STILL TIME! This is for real.

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Jason Hill — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:37:55 GMT

Come on. Are you ignorant? Obama won by far. John Mccain was rude, agressive, condescending,and arrogant not to mention that he tried to pull the whole focus of the debate to himself and his experience. Obama retorted with respect, good sportsmanship and an excellent demeanor even though he obviously was annoyed by Mccains total disregard to debate protocol and time/topic limits. Is that how John Mccain is going to run our country, maybe? Most likely. Mccain had no direction but his own and wanted to sling mud on Obama when Obama wanted to debate and discuss real issues. I hope one other poster is incorrect by stating the recent two election failures but if it happens again, third time is a charm people we all know who won and if our president isnt Obama this year. We need to do something about it!

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pcollier — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:38:08 GMT

I don't understand why McCain talks with such pride about not being elected Mr. Congeniality in the senate and having conflict with the [Bush] administration.

He's bragging about being a misfit?

A man who has hostile relationships with his colleagues in the senate and hostile relationships with the [Bush] administration is a man who, if elected, will continue to have hostile relationships with his adversaries/enemies, which appears to be just damn near everyone.

We and the rest of the world have already suffered 8 years of bellicosity and bluster. Who wants 4 more?

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vindymartin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:39:53 GMT

McCain's knowledge of what is going in Eastern Europe is extensive. Other than that knowledge, I was genuinely frightened for this nation should he take command. He was angry, condescending, dogmatic. It's easy to tell someone that they don't understand, but Barack Obama DID understand. If he interacts with his opponent this way on a stage with millions of viewers, how will he behave with world leaders with whom he disagrees? Oh, that's right, he refuses to sit at the same table. There's your answer. His grimacing and refusal to actually look Barack Obama in the face made me believe that perhaps he has some sort of palsy or inability to control his facial muscles. Barack Obama not only understands the economic disaster we are all living with, but he is composed and able to conduct himself without appearing irrational or hot-headed. I am more comfortable giving my vote to the Democrats this time. McCain is just not well.

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the kid — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:44:22 GMT

High School debate. Never agree with your opponent. I loved Linda Douglas's spin, he did it to show he can work across the isle. Mcain won forgien policy and Obama won ecomic side, barely.

Call it a toss up or if you have to score it make it McCain 2.5 Obama 2.25 No one was the clear cut winner. And you Obama fanatics quit writing his website talking points. Can't you make a decision based on what you saw?

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mheimuli — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:44:42 GMT

I don't think the debate tonight will make any different, we seen this every four years, WHAT HAPPEN NOW IN AMERICA is the result of all those stupid debates of the pass.They call it LOOK BUSY TO DO NOTHING.You know what intresting we should try a Presidency with a women in it, since all the Guys screw up everything,also screw at the WHITE HOUSE. Imagine a Black President HELL will turn upside DOWN.Please read the SIGN ON THE WALL.. We talk too much, Do too little and only intresting on our own self.WAKE UP AMERICA.

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lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:45:26 GMT

Lets put the blame where it belongs and stop blaming reps for the dirty deads of the dems.

Note the date this was published. September 30, 1999 - during the Clinton Administration!

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending

By STEVEN A. HOLMES

Published: September 30, 1999

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''

Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.

Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.

Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the economic boom of the 1990's. The number of mortgages extended to Hispanic applicants jumped by 87.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998, according to Harvard University's Joint Center for Housing Studies. During that same period the number of African Americans who got mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&scp=1&sq=september%201999%20fannie%20mae&st=cse <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&scp=1&sq=september%201999%20fannie%20mae&st=cse>

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rabbut — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:45:43 GMT

Obama demonstrated a much better grasp of issues than John McCain was giving him credit for. McCain's dismissive "you don't understand" approach made him look like he wasn't really listening and looking too hard to "zing" Obama, instead of trying to connect with the American people. McCain's facial expressions denoted condescension and entitlement. McCain seemed ENTITLED to me, and his sneers betrayed him. Your article missed the mark, in my opinion, as looking to jab before you communicate with your electorate may win the pundits, but not the people.

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M Wright — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:48:29 GMT

I find it interesting that many of the same aspects of the debate that reaffirmed my support for Obama were the same things that I've seen criticized by the MSM. I thought his ability to acknowledge common ground was a deliberate display of a statesman who understands the power of establishing points of agreement. This was also demonstrated by Obama's admission that he's in support of low level unconditional negotations in order to work towards higher level talks. Plus, McCain's use of recycled sound bites seemed like a poor imitation of Kevin Nealon's "Subliminal Man."

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Jmon — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:48:56 GMT

I hope voters and the MSM pick up on Obama's shameless use of the soldier's bracelet as a rebuttal. If you missed it, McCain, while describing his rationale for staying the course in Iraq, described receiving a bracelet from a woman whose son died in Iraq and who asked him to make sure her son didn't die in vain. Obama interrupted by clumsily stating that he also wears a bracelet for a soldier, whose name he mispronounced, and pretty much implied that his was better and more meaningful. Really it was one of the most shameless things I have seen in this election.

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illuuminuus — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:50:17 GMT

McCain's bid to differentiate himself from Bush was ineffective. He promised the same sort of Tax Cuts across the board that Bush did back in his campaign race! ARE WE HONESTLY STILL BLABBING ABOUT TAX CUTS??? McCain showed no willingness to spend one cent of our resources on bolstering our infrastructure. Infrastructure is ALL-IMPORTANT now! Instead, McCain wants to further enrich war profiteers, insurance companies, big pharma, and big oil.

Both men avoided a pat response in regards to the Wallstreet Bailout issue. That is understandible, I think. I'd like to see Dems utterly disregard the Bush and the Treasury Secretary's plan as the Repubs are trying to do, and come up with one of their own as well. I don't care how long it takes. Right now foreign investors are stuck in the mix with us. To bail them out in hopes of continued forbearance seems silly to me.

In any case, Obama trounced McCain on economy issues. McCain seemed to rally when the topic turned to foreign policy, but he made the repeated mistake of attempting to point at imagined Obama verbal foibles that he'd obviously been prepped to recount.

"Mr. Obama, you have said that you would sit down with leaders of foreign countries that have made the silly mistake of demanding their own sovereignty, resisting the demands of the US Empire!" OMG!! What a horrible accusation! Everyone who has been at this as long as I have knows that you can't open your ears and mind to the foul rhetoric of nations who do not agree with our policies! HA! That is an absolutely pathetic example of the type of thinking that MUST CHANGE if our country is to survive the world changes that are coming. I applaud Obama for putting himself in the path of overwhelming political criticism on this issue.

In this matter specifically, the Maverick showed his true colors. He actually cited Nixon among his foreign policy heroes! He is obviously just another Reagan worshipper, and theres absolutely nothing original about that in his discredited party. Those policies of Nixon and Reagan are precisely what has enabled the GOP to produce the almost total corruption we see in our political figures today.

Again and again I fail to see how John McCain can separate himself from what and who he has been all these years. If he truly disagreed with his party, then perhaps he should have stood with Dems against Bush when he had the chance. His supposed discontent with the current administration is laughable now. He's been feasting on the blood of our hopes and dreams right along with the other neo-cons for all the last 8 years! He's taken his stand, and there's no way he can go back now and change it.

In summation, Obama came out on top of the exchange, and did so without devolving into pathetic rehearsed recantations of his conversations with his constituency. McCain claims he is a friend of the Veterans, however it was his administration that cut their funding and left them to die in unsanitary conditions by knowingly underfunding VA hospitals throughout the nation. Like the others, he feigned shock and promised reform when the story aired on national TV, but make no mistake, they knew what they were doing when they withheld those desperately needed funds. McCain's party is the party of indifference. They have proven it again and again. They only respond to money and power, and this 'Maverick' is no different. Just look at their routine denial of the negative health conditions afflicting our soldiers as a result of using Depleted Uranium bullets.

Why doesnt he take a stance on that issue, I wonder?

Tonight was John McCain's one chance to shine. It was the debate which was to focus on his area of expertise, foreign policy. The fact that McCain was still fairly sharp and able to discourse on these matters without stumbling too much was the only thing that kept this debate from becoming a total route for Obama.

But, as usual, John McCain is wrong in most of his policy positions. And while he was able to stay alive in this debate, it was not enough to put him anywhere near a Win. I expect future debates to go far worse for the 'maverick' from Arizona, starting with the VP debate next week.

~ill

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

benkrapf — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:50:19 GMT

I agree sparkly. That rich white kid McCain is also totally out of touch with the average voter.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

arob516 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:50:35 GMT

I respectfully disagree with you. I felt Obama won this debate by a far stretch. Much of the time McCain did not appear to answer the question at hand, instead falling back on one or two points only - Jim had to recall him to the question more than once as McCain seemed to almost avoid answering. Also, McCain's "tactic" of constantly making jabs at Obama was not only obvious and annoying, it put McCain in a very negative light. Obama did address this jabs, as most would have expected him to, and I think he addressed them in an intelligent and well spoken manner. Obama's responses kept things on track and kept the debate moving forward, whilst McCain kept dragging it back around with his attacks on Obama. My thought throughout was: McCain, I hear you keep criticizing what Obama did... but what's YOUR answer?? It seemed difficult for McCain to talk about his own stance on things and furthermore his real plans for action if he were to be elected. After it all, I felt McCain came off as weak and uninspiring. He didn't say anything that made me feel sure of him as a president or that he could do the job of running our country. Obama, on the other hand, was definitely inspiring. "Nonscientific" polls of regular Americans appear to show that many feel the same way.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

J. Ruck — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:52:54 GMT

MSNBC did a poll, where real people voted on who won. The results...the majority is in favor of Obama.

Here are the results:

Who won the presidential debate? * 466843 responses

John McCain

33%

Barack Obama

52%

Tie

6.1%

Not sure

8.2%

You bash Obama for standing up for himself? For setting the record straight? For not letting McCain get away with his lies? For not letting McCain push him around? Well, it doesn't really matter what you think. The people have spoken.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Caligirl08 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:53:40 GMT

John McCain’s alleged NEED to participate in the bailout hearings this week was a JOKE! The man does not appear to possess either the knowledge or intelligence to offer any credible input insofar as this or any form of negotiations are concerned, as was evidenced by his performance tonight. He did not have the courage to look his opponent in the eyes and he grossly underestimated Obama’s foreign policy knowledge, resulting in a LOSS during tonight’s debate. It’s no wonder McCain’s popularity ratings are rapidly declining in the polls – the guy is out of touch on economic issues as they pertain to the vast majority of Americans and he is COMMITTED to continuing the war in Iraq (for possibly 100 years), despite the DEVASTATING fiscal impact it continues to have on our economy .

He is a major hypocrite when it comes to veterans by claiming his intense devotion to them, yet failed to support the recent G.I. Bill. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I do not want a liar, a coward or a controlling and manipulating individual bearing the title of President of the United States for another 4 years. John McCain has presented himself to the American people as possessing each of those character traits. He’s no maverick - he represents straight up “old school” politics.

We need and deserve “Change We Can Believe In” – we need Barack Obama for president! Obama has demonstrated his calm, self-confident and open-minded approach to the issues that face the American people, and was unafraid (unlike McCain) to appear before the American people tonight and share his vision for our country and his plan for how the issues we now face (e.g., economic, environmental, foreign policy, etc.) will be handled under his administration. Also, unlike McCain, Obama has demonstrated he possesses the integrity, the intelligence and the temperament to best represent the interest of the American people at home and abroad.

For anyone out there who has made a preliminary decision for McCain based on “feelings” rather than “logic” or for those who are still on the fence at this late stage, perhaps the following will help to clarify why Barack Obama is the only REAL choice for president in this election:

You are The Boss at a big international company... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.

Let's look at the educational background of your two options:

Obama:

Occidental College - Two years.

Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a specialization in International Relations.

Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna *** Laude

& Biden:

University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.

Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:

United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899

& Palin:

Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester

North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study

University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism

Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester

University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Fishing and Hunting License

Now, which team are you going to 'hire'?

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight....

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers -- a quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track and you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become Chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services Committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the City Council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 6,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian. However, if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, then left your disfigured wife and married heiress Cindy the very next month, you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of American society.

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

If you require rape victims to pay for their own “rape kits,” advocate denying a woman the right to control what goes on with her own body (even in the case of rape and incest), you’re forgiven and conservative.

If you fight for women’s rights, including equal pay for equal work, hold personal “pro- life” views, but honor a woman’s right to choose, co-sponsor legislation to reimburse sexual assault victims for their expenses under the Illinois Crime Victims Compensation Act, you’re liberal and free spending.

If you claim you’re an advocate for children with special needs, yet place the life of your own special needs child in jeopardy and cut the Special Olympics budget in your state by 50% this very fiscal year, you’re able to make business decisions.

If your wife is a Harvard educated lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

If your husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

If you’re a fit 47 year-old you are too young to serve as U.S. President.

If you’re 72 years-old, have been classified as 100% disabled by the federal government, have suffered four bouts of Stage IIA melanoma, which carries an average 10-year survival rate of 66 percent and are only two years away from reaching that critical threshold, you’re ready to serve the country.

OK, much clearer now.

Could this be the ultimate McCain lie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4bTvhXMO7I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zZkLt81UyI&feature=related

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

president — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:54:12 GMT

For those who have been following the campaigns closely it is more than clear that McCain is a wrestler who plays dirty and mean even in debate. He is offensive and wants to win unfairly. Obama is a gentleman who plays fair consistently. He understands and knows the rules of the debate.He sticks to issues and defends fairly without losing his temper. He laughed gently. His laugh showed he knew McCain tellls lies. He expected McCain to play unfairly. We all expected that. McCain borrowed many lines of Obama and switched his position to that of Obama when in fact he has been close to Bush's policies all along. I doubt the debate shows anything but that in McCain we have some one who is game man who is quick witted but who has no ideas of his own. One thing he has is that he makes voters feel he is on their side by his way of speaking. It is not elegant and too familiar a compensatiuon for his lack of elegance and ability to elaborate on the issues that are important. but intelligent voters will not fall for his tricky exposition.

Fact of the matter is we need educated voters. Anyone who has learnt to argue in university can easily see McCain fights dirty like some one who has had no education but s simply street smart. I doubt America or any other country needs this cunning bloak to be president. Obama is his opposite.He clearly shows he is commander in chief. He thinks things through and would make a competent president and by far the most elegant president America has had so far. Perhaps most moral and one who has integrity.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:54:12 GMT

To the blogger saying they're voting for Obama and then went on to point out ALL the many negative things he didn't do and say or SEE. What is this country in for if Obama is put up before a real country leader. Wimp out? Stall? Not think? Get real America!!

There will be no time in many cases for on the job training nor time to run and ask from one of the advisors.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Phreejazz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:54:35 GMT

I love how the expectations for McCain were lowered, saying he was the underdog in this. A month ago, the story was that McCain was the expert on foreign policy, and Obama was going to have a serious problem confronting McCain head to head on that. Turns out that McCain struggled to keep his own on his home turf. His handlers made a couple mistakes. First, they tried to have him repeat Reagan's performance, and the act was obvious. The "he just doesn't understand" bit repeated endlessly was an imitation of reagan's "here he goes again." And turning to personal anecdotes repeatedly was an obvious imitation of Ronald. It was a p***-poor imitation at best. *Especially* with this particular opponent, who talked substance and backed up points with examples at every turn... it made the anecdotes seem like cheap dodges of the issues. The repition of lines that we've heard over and over from McCain, like that bloody "Miss congeniality" statement came off badly. Bumper-sticker depth. McCain won? Not by a long shot. And this is coming from someone who is praying that the republicans will offer someone I can actually vote for again, not a neo-con interventionist puppet.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

giovannis — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:58:57 GMT

No depth, a superficial analisis of the debate. Need to dig in the facts. McCain was discussing his personawhere as Obama tried centered his discussion on peoples issue. That was a revealing moment. McCain was playing his tantrum just like a three years old infant " I am, I am" That type of self gorification comes across as an inert arrogance typical of McCains character.

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lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:59:08 GMT

Anyone that would believe anything MSMBC puts out deserves what they get.

I truly feel Obama needs to go back to school as he seemed to do well there.But it takes more in executive office than a vote of present.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

benkrapf — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:59:55 GMT

Take what Andy Romano writes with a grain of salt:

He's just a kid and he doesn't know any better.

If he could get his head out of the fog of Washington politics, with which he is so clearly enamored, then he'd see the subtext and body language of the debate.

Obama forced McCain to get snarky and condescending. Obama did this with mere words, and often simply McCain's own ill-chosen and brash words thrown back at him.

If McCain acts this childishly and vindictively hearing words from a fellow American who simply disagrees with him, then what will happen when...

McCain has to meet with Ahmadinejad?

Chavez?

Putin?

What happens when America has a true foreign policy crisis requiring delicate and tactful diplomacy?

John McCain has neither the demeanor nor clarity of intellect, nor the integrity of vision, to properly lead America.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

SFSerg — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:01:06 GMT

McCain did not win. Ok, don't take it from me, look at the live polls (Obama by 50% + in all of them). I must admit that Senator McCain's depth in foreign policy is strong and actually impressive, but Obama stood his ground and America felt assured that he is very capable. Everyone knew that this was not Obama's debate, but he came out ahead anyway because he stood his ground and he was not afraid of John McCain. He kept looking at McCain and said "you're wrong John" or "that's not true John". Not once did McCain look at Barack. Why? Barack could've hit McCain harder and he definitely should've not given McCain credit by saying he was right. Barack is too noble as most Democrats. That's the problem, you cannot be noble with Republicans and especially not with McCain. The Republicans made a tv ad 10 after the debate showing Barack saying "You're right John". Just despicable, but the people aren't stupid and saw what really happened. The thing with Barack is that he can't come off as agressive because then the bigots will start using the race factor against him by saying he's too agressive or offensive. Obama is too noble, not weak. The people know that and that's why the polls are showing it now. One thing I was hoping Barack would ask John is: Is Osama Bin Laden in Iraq or was he when we invaded?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

TheRealStory — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:01:55 GMT

Tonight, BARACK OBAMA was the WINNER! He showed that he has the confidence, courage, and backbone to lead the United States of America as her next President. He faced McCain directly and as a leader. This is something McCain failed to do throughout the debate. McCain's lack of courage showed that he does not possess the strength to face leaders of other nations as a man and as the next President of the United States. Obama proved that he represents the future while McCain represents the past. Tonight Obama was the winner!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

canton1818 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:03:19 GMT

Hmmmmm, Personally, I would have appreciated it if McCain actually answered the questions he was asked instead of deflecting them to "what he wanted to talk about".

Good strategy....I'm sure no one noticed....

Also, a person would have to be completely obtuse not to notice McCain's lack of eye contact or direct talk/interaction with Obama during and throughout tonight's debate....even when Jim Lehrer asked him specifically to address Obama with his responses. I'm sure the author of this article would find a positive spin for that as well....

All things being equal, I would ask people to HONESTLY THINK about these two candidates, and vote the issues their aligned with. Environment, Energy, Economy, Foreign Policy, Womens Rights, Gay/Lesbian Rights, and so on, and so on....

It's really couldn't be simpler if you take the time to think about it. YES WE CAN!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:04:34 GMT

Educated as in learnt?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Phreejazz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:04:50 GMT

JMON, the shameless thing was McCain's use of the bracelet to begin with. It was a lame tactic to say, in effect "I care about our soldiers, you don't." It was another underhanded ploy to say "I'm more patriotic." Obama dismissed it effectively, by saying in effect "Yeah, we all care about the soldiers, we're all patriotic, that's why we're here."

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

benkrapf — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:05:10 GMT

McCain is crotchety.

Do you want Grampa Simpson in the Oval Office, telling old stories that go nowhere, instead of offering solutions?

Tonight, McCain chose to fling monkey poo at Obama instead of actually engaging in a dialogue. McCain answered serious and legitimate problems with BS. He couldn't even look Obama in the face 95% of the time.

Last time I checked, that was simply good manners.

What would John McCain's mother say?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

justamom41 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:05:58 GMT

I am a Democrat (obviously from my former postings, right?) and my husband is a true conservative Republican, yet we have been able to put our differences aside for over 20 years now. My Republican guy was the first to point out what a grumpy old man McCain appeared to be tonight. He NEVER looked at Obama... not once! It's true we should not elect our presidents on personality, but how about principal. Obama showed nothing but respect for McCain, even though they clearly do not see eye to eye, but McCain could not even show Obama enough respect to at least look him in the eye. That shows the character of each of them. After all this time I've been threatening to cut my hubby off (sexually) if he doesn't vote for Obama, McCain was the one who sold him on the idea tonight! Guess who's getting lucky tonight!

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Dear Mom — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:06:31 GMT

I'm so happy that Mc Cain won the Debate. I am working so hard every day and i'm tired to pay high tex . Only dumb people think Obama is the one who won. come on America you know better!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

rws315 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:06:49 GMT

Andrew,

Get some sleep. Forget what you heard the punditry said and watch the debate again. This time don't keep notes and score pad.

I think you'll see, it's not so much as Obama won, as McCain lost. Facts are not as important as projecting an image as being presidential. McCain didn't meet that basic requirement.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

joyluckeater — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:07:34 GMT

I love it when the mainstream media thought that John Kerry won all 3 presidential debates against George W. Bush but still lost the election in 2004. That shows the intelligence of the mainstream media.

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J. Ruck — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:10:01 GMT

It looks like Andy is "out of touch" and "just doesn't get it." Who would really take hiim seriously anyways? He looks like that kid from Seaquest that killed himself.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

hmoo11 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:10:39 GMT

I think Obama should fully step up and really defined our exit from Iraq. We are occuping a conutry that needs to address its own ethnic issues. The Iraqi government has said they want us out and it seems only John McCain wants us there indefinitely. Coming out of this bailout, a government freeze is not what is going to create more jobs to turn the economy around. Finally, John McCain keeps saying he is for mainstreet workers when every thing he proposes helps only the rich. This guy would not have a cold war with Russia, he'd have a cold war with the world.

Obama could have called him for over reacting on Georgia. We can't have small allies starting fights with Russia and China and expecting the United States to get them out of it. Just like the Russians were too agressive in their response, Georgia should not have bit off more than they can chew like Rambo. McCain sends a message of you do what you want and the US will be there. I say, You damn well better think long and hard and consult US before you turn your guns against another nuclear power. Obama did very, very well. He has my vote.

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Robnoble — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:11:16 GMT

This debate illustrates that Obama is all talk without substance. Better luck next time and by the way why not try vice president to Hillary in 2012 election?

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benkrapf — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:11:47 GMT

Notice the complete lack of Palin discussion now...

Crickets chirp...

Can't wait until next Thursday when Biden has his way with the wayward Mrs. Palin.

No amount of cramming and studying will help her. Biden needs no teleprompter; she can't live without one.

Palin is peeing herself in fear of next Thursday. At least, she should be. Fear is a healthy response, as long as you can harness it. Problem is, Palin has been in control of her tiny world for so long she, like McCain, thinks her s--- don't stink.

My guess is, next Thursday will be like today: Dems offering a discussion based on fact, Repubs offering an array of tired and contradictory talking points.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

SFSerg — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:13:50 GMT

Either way, it doesn't really matter who won tonight. Come Thursday after the VP debate, it's going to be very clear which administration belongs in the White House.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:14:53 GMT

SFSERG, as in the debate with Obama and Hilary where she tore him to shreads and he not once looked at her? rotflol Take the blinders off and look again.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

smartprimate — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:15:52 GMT

McCain won the ad war on this with Obama agreeing with McCain 14 times... that will haunt Obama for the next week.

The Dems lowered the expectations on this debate so much that O-bama won by just surviving... the MSM also helped by claiming that Mac had to deal a decisive blow in order to win... so the bar was set high for Mac.

The biggest plus for Mac was that he held his own in the economy debate... both got a C+ for their take on the economy, which was supposed to be Obama's silver bullet against Mac.

I think once the dust settles and once the pundits get out of the way... Mac will emerge the winner, but not by a knockout.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

kerri88 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:17:34 GMT

Obama is clearly an idiot with absolutely no experience. He was stuttering throughout his entire speech and flip flops on pretty much every issue ( same as Kerry in 04, hmmm liberal pattern?). he needs to get over the past eight years and let everyone know what he has planned for the next four years other than taking money from those who actually go to college and have decent jobs and giving it to whiners who all want a handout. absolutely not. i can promise all of you that you won't see a dime of my money. basically obama's plan is to turn the U.S. into a socialist economy. why punish those who work hard and spent years in schhol in order to make the $250,000. some of you may be forgetting that many of these people have families of their own, health care worries, gas payments, house payments.. you name it.

As for obama's "95%" tax cuts.... in 2006, the total income of U.S. citizens reported by the IRS was around $706 billion. two-thirds of that total was from those who make $250,000 or more. so a majority of those who are responsible and strive to work for their hard earned money will be taxed to give to lazy liberals who expect robinhood obama to give them a handout. ridiculous. oh, and let's not forget the extra tax on businesses. you might as well say goodbye to small businesses altogether. taxes for them could go up to 50%. goodbye millions of jobs...idiot...

How can you all be so oblivious? he was in the senate 143 days before he decided to run for president. and you all have the nerve to say that palin has no experience? i'm pretty sure she was a mayor and now governor of alaska. none of which obama has experienced. mccain tore obama apart tonight as well he should have. obama has no clue what to do if, not when, he is elected. he doesn't understand the way military works, how the majorly democratic congress is spending ridiculous amounts of money on crap issues, and lastly he isn't partriotic in any way. what kind of presidential hopeful doesn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem??? what kind of man allows his wife to say on national television that she isn't proud of her country? he is going to doom us all.

You all may as well go hug your trees, try and stop global warming, get a job and quit expecting the government to help you survive.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

hmoo11 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:21:11 GMT

You all have to remember. The mainstream media is under attack by McCain and Fox News and they haven't quite decided how to deal with it. I will help them a little right now.

1. Fox News lies

2. They sway commentary for the benifit of whomever they serve ( Republican Party )

3. When I want to be brainwashed, I listen to Fox News

4. They have done nothing but put a slant on their coverage that divides OUR COUNTRY

5. I watch Fox because you need to know what the enemy of your country is about

^. Damn Fox Network

Now. Please feel free to report the news in America, OUR LAND OF THE FREE.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

openminded1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:25:18 GMT

As I watched the debate and tried to vision the responses of both candidates in regard to Iran, I got a feeling of McCain to continue the same policies that have separated us , from countries that don't have the same ideology, but could be a danger to us. While by hearing Obama it was a different and new approach. McCain is stuck in Vietnam and Iraq, the same stubbornness to look for conflict when we have not been attacked. He thinks that boycott will do the same as it did, where in Cuba? He does not seem to realize that we live in a different world. I don't trust him at all. We are not so powerful, and we are not look upon as the peace seeking country but seen as aggressors. Shows too much arrogance.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

SteveKelson — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:26:09 GMT

I've seen every debate since Nixon/Kennedy. McCain's scowls, and constantly shifting made him look uncomfortable, slightly intimidated and someone who reaks of true self confidence. When this view is closely examined, this personna will be HW Bush with watch (times) Al Gore's sighs. Add to this his completely insincere and unattractive curl of his mouth that a few GOP junkies call a smile and this problem just does not compute.

McCain looked awful. Subconsciously, McCain knows he doesn't belong in the same league as Obama. He says he does....and the 'act' McCain put on is an attempt to overcome the disparity, but deep down, he knows he's now, he's playing in a league totally over his head.

This toughness of McCain is a total act ; he's no more than a one trick earmark pony who recites 25 talking points, ad nauseum. McCain is neither a bright, nor intelligent man. He's not remotely close to Obama's intellect, instincts, thoughtful decision making, social conscience. McCains moral fiber is in a different zip code. He's been a complete reactionary, I doubt the man has even flirted with the traits of a visionary. He is though, famous for life and political comebacks

He's was an average, unfortunate ex fighter pilot who got into politics through a Nixon, Reagan and a very wealthy familyconnection, soley due to a compelling, war hero story. The tale seems to grow larger to many, as half decades continue to put distance between others version of reality and the actual events. He's never really done one thing that can be considered significant as a US Senator besides one weak 'reform' bill designed to recreate his once seriously tarnished image.

He may be, though, the best politician who ever lived. Not the best as a legislator, reformer, contributor or leader of any cause. Just a pure politician, who went a long, long way with not much more than a ton of guts and and one helluva ambition.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

stevelley — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:26:22 GMT

Obama again spoke with his characteristic hesitancy, constantly looking for the right words to finish his sentence, as if English was his second language. Why?

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Awestruck — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:27:57 GMT

The Maverick summoned up the magic name of Reagan frequently, bringing to mind the voodoo trickle downe conomics that got us exactly to the point we are at today in an emergency session to prevent a worldwide depression.

Come to find out, Kissinger's domino theory didn't apply to communism in Southeast Asia, but to the global economy that is interlinked to the point that if America sneezes, the rest of the world catches pneumonia.

McCain says he'll protect veterans. He voted against the new GI Bill as too generous so that it would make soldiers get out of the Army after only three tours in Iraq. To say the surge worked is being totally premature until the Iraqis can run their own country. In the words of T.E. Lawrence, "better they do it imperfectly, than we do it for them perfectly." But what does Lawrence of Arabia know that McCain does not, my friends? Will we have a friend and ally there ten years from now? They don't even like us now.

How about all the crazy behavior this week leading up to the debate? Here's me, the famous POW, being MIA. He can only pull the old Country First stunt four or five times before it gets old.

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lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:30:31 GMT

And finally SFSERG!!! Why don't you ask Mr Obama to ask Billy Clinton why he didn't capture or destroy Ben Laden? He had at least three opportunutues. Now that's the real question. And while you're asking, ask him why he didn't do anything after the first WRC bombing but SEND a FEW BOMBS to no-where in non other than Iraq?????????????

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Jason Hill — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:33:38 GMT

All the posters in favor of mccain have the same response, obama agreed with mccain 14 times. Big friggin deal. Why wouldn't he? Mccain made a few valid points and to disagree would have been stupid.

Face it. Obama came off with intelegence, wisdom, and assertion. he stuck to the point and didn't fall into Mccains personal attacks. Mccain repeated himself so much he sounded like a broken record (that was how music came way before cd's).

Before I saw this debate I wanted nothing to do with Obama or Mccain. Now I am absolutely all for Obama he showed he was ready to be our president. Mccain just showed us hes an immature liar that will do nothing but rob and suck the very life and existance out of each and every middle to lower class citizen of this country. A country founded on a document that protects us from men like him and his friends/party.

By the way what is rude about calling someone by their first name?

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leftyx — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:35:29 GMT

Overlooked was Obama's gaffe over who is a rouge state. He meant to say, "Iran and North Korea" but he actually said, "Iran and Venezuela," which will come as an unwelcome surprise to his leftist supporters.

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Dollared — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:37:44 GMT

Andrew, Andrew, do you really think "you kids get off my lawn!" is forceful, and deft? McCain looked and acted angry and put upon.

And why in the hell do you think that taxation and spending are Republican strengths? You are so stuck in 1988. "Tax cuts" equals Bush. McCain is losing that battle. Why don't you see it? Oh yeah, conventional wisdom.

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craigster — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:39:57 GMT

Once again, we have two horrible choices for President... a "no way" and a "no way in hell". I can't believe the Dems couldn't find someone better than Clinton and Obama... almost unbelievable. It's like they expected to have the Presidency handed to them without a challenge. Then there's the Replubicans... they know their chance of re-election was slim to none unless it was someone of the likes of Senator McCain... a liberal Republican who could possibly pull in the undecided, fence-riders, Clinton supporters stuck between the value issues and the need for a change in the Administration of the country. All this talk about change... duh. The new President changes the Administration... it's not like either one would leave things as they are.

Between the only two we have to choose from, the choice is easy for me to make. I live in America, the land of the free, a land which we have enjoyed the shade of trees planted long ago. A land that people all over the world wish they could live in. A land I feel blessed to call mine. I say if you want to change the flag, change the national anthem (too violent), and turn free enterprise into socialism, then just move to France and get it over with. If you want to change America from all that makes it great (and believe it or not America is still the greatest nation on the planet), then please, please move somewhere that you would appreciate. Sometimes change is a bad thing... just think how much worse things could be when bad changes are made.

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stevelley — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:42:08 GMT

The Domino Theory was invented in the early 1960s, before Kissinger ever became Nixon's National Security Advisor.

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Love My Country — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:45:24 GMT

Ok people, here's the deal....even a monkey has some sort of intelligence, and by golly, anyone can fake it. Whether you saw the debate or not, anyone who has any sort of pride left in themselves or their country would not put that baffoon Obama in office. Who in the hell wants a president....someone representing their country, in office, who will not honor the National Anthem or The Pledge of Allegiance? More than any underlying issue that scumbag has, this should bother Americans beyond belief and the simple fact that it doesn't makes me know for sure that this country has gone to hell. I most certainly will vote for McCain - there isn't a devil in hell who could stop me.....Obama being one of them.

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dale rutherford — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:45:57 GMT

Was there a second debate tonight that I missed? I watched the debate that started at 9:30pm edt and was approx 90 minutes long. If McCain won a debate there must have been a second one. What happened in the second debat e that reversed the outcome of the first debate where Obama came across as sharp, accurate, on point, presidential? In the second debate did Obama not state the facts of McCain being wrong on the Iraq ware from beginning to present, including the 'surge'? In the second debate did Obama not explain again to McCain that the goal of the surge was to quell violence in Iraq as a tactic to provide time for specific political goals to be met? Which havent been met? On a side note, I'm thinking that 270+ US soldiers dead in Iraq this year with three months left in 2008 may negate the McCain claim that iraq is stable.

We all know the facts. In all cases Obama is either correct based in fact, or he is proposing something other than Bush polices going forward. Either way, congratulations on an excellent debate performance by Obama in the first debate. For Andrew Romano to state that McCain attacking with misinformation awards McCain a victory is way off the mark. Get some sleep there Andrew and try again tomorrow.

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Vesalius — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:46:01 GMT

Obama is by far and away the best canidate. He not only has poise, but speaks well and thoughtfully with intelligence. McCain on the other hand is like a grumpy old fella that didn't obviously take his old guys nap today. Where I am from, you look people in the eye and address them like a man. Also, if you intelligent republicans could actually observe things properly, the man is suffering from early alzheimer's dementia and parkinson's. He has the cogwheeling type movements, can't remember how many houses he has, and is always talking about being a POW and living in the past and past achievements. Lets get the rich republicans and their rich lobbyists out of the white house and congress and get some real work done to get our country back to helping regular people and not lining the pockets of the already rich. The trickle down effect of the republican philosophy obviously does not work.

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DENVERROSE — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:46:18 GMT

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT I THOUGHT THAT WHEN VOTING IN A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE..... THIS TRADITIONALLY THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY MEANS "MORE SPENDING".... I HAVE HEARD THIS FOR YEARS AND THIS IS THE LAST THING WE NEED RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? MC CAIN WAS GREAT AND COUPLED WITH PALIN....I THINK WE WILL BE BETTER OFF.

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stevelley — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:46:59 GMT

The rumor about Clinton not going after Bin Laden was made up in late 2001 by Republicans eager to remove Bush from bearing responsibility for not protecting American from the Sept 11 attacks.

Old hands in the NSC kept bringing up the issue of Bin Laden the first month Bush assumed office in Jan 2001, only to be rebuffed with his familiar obsession with Saddam Hussein.

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LiveFast — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:49:50 GMT

Obama did a lot better than I thought he would. John McCain missed some opportunities to nail him on certain issues. Obama's problem is that he came off as rehearsed. Any person could have stood up there and said the things he did. Anyone could have listened to advisors and replayed the lines over and over again. No one else could have stood on McCain's spot and said the things he did. McCain has exeperience and it showed.

And also "tax cuts" do not equal Bush. They equal the basis of how the Repiblican party sees econmics. Its called trickle down economics, do your research.

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Paracelsus — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:52:29 GMT

To say that McCain won is ludicrous. His condescending arrogance only helped emphasize that he clearly does not have anything new to offer to this country but his past. You the press, should not play with words, because the American public as demonstrated by the way they voted, is still completely gullible and this might lead same voters to think that indeed he is a winner. Something he is not.

Lets face it, his attitude in the debate showed he is just and only that; a bitter old man for himself who don't care about the middle class. I lament that most citizens are still ignorant of the underlaying ways the Republican party games with their present, not to mention our future.

Not only McCain is past his retirement age, but time and time again lies without any scruples, and the press limit themselves to say that he overstated the facts. Shame! Shame on you. A lie is a lie! Not an overstatement. It should be punishable by law to keep insisting in trying to fool the public every time he opens his mouth.

My friends, as Mr. McCain says, you the press who play with the people instead of informing the facts, and the people who voted for Bush, not once but twice, certainly deserve this old man. This winner!.

But the best or worst will not be that he gets elected, if he gets elected. The worst will be when he inevitably expires and "Miss Pig Lips" become your president. That will be inevitably his only legacy. Yes, McCain Won. Absolutely nothing.

Those who don't understand anything are nothing.

Paracelsus

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Love My Country — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:52:35 GMT

With a name like Vesalius, you obviously aren't American, and hence I would expect a response like that from you. Get with the program! I'd rather have a half dead senile AMERICAN, who respects his roots and where he's from in office than some half witted pompous jerk with no regard for where we've come from ANY GIVE DAY of the year. Wake up and smell the coffee - Obama will take us right down a road of DOOM and GLOOM. Hope you're ready for that!

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lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:54:42 GMT

Well Cakigirl08, You highly over inflate your candidate by far. Typical democratic Bull!!!

Mr Obama did NOT finish his first job in the state senate. Oh let me see, he saw bigger fish in the federal government, And in the Federal senate this senator has spent 143 "ONE HUNDRED & FORTY-THREE DAYS"....of the FOUR years you credit him with. Pathetic. I just want to see his birth certificate. Why won't the liberal media press for that???????

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marksgershenson — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:55:30 GMT

I think Stumper you were watching a different debate that the rest of us saw this evening. Obama showed that he can be presidential. Your final comments admitted/finally showed that your personal statistics with the debate were a little bit off. I think you jumped the gun just a little bit. I have watched and read the script of the debate. My recommendation is for the next time before you post an article like this, read the script and rewatch the debate to make an objective opinion.

I enjoy your articles.

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Jason Hill — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:56:41 GMT

kerri88 I'll Take senator obamas approach and treat you with respect when I should shred your dignity.

#1 school is how it is really spelled,but you know that being you put so much hard work in it right.

#2 "he needs to get over the past eight years and let everyone know what he has planned for the next four years other than taking money from those who actually go to college and have decent jobs and giving it to whiners who all want a handout."<--- Are you kidding? the past 8 years is why we are in such turmoil. Aig, Wamu, Wall St. Are these the whiners looking for a handout you are reffering to? oh and if you were paying attention Obama wants to lower the cost of schooling for college students.

#3 when you say we wont see a dime of your money is that because you dont support this country with your taxes?

#4 you are an obvious elitest and have no sense of the real world so im just going to point out the blatant blunders in our approach and leave the rest alone. Have a wonderful evening Im sure you will since your appearently in your own very fantastic little world!

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stevelley — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:57:32 GMT

Given the backlash against 8 years of failed Bush policies, Obama's mediocrity would still likely win him the White House. How sad we would be represented by somebody who cannot think on his feet and constantly looking for words to finish his sentences. I would not even give him a job in my law firm. How did he manage to get through Harvard? What were his employment records when he left the law firm for his community organizer job?

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Iwonder2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:59:26 GMT

In Senator McCain's unsuccessful attempts to disparage Senator Obama during tonight's debate, McCain came off as acting very juvenile at times, making faces, being rude, excessively aggressive, dismissive and very unpresidential. Obama always showed a high level of maturity, dignity, intelligence and respect. McCain's constant attempt to belittle Obama's intelligence and comprehension of foreign and economic affairs was pathetic, particularly due to the fact that Obama graduated Harvard Law magna *** laude and McCain graduated from the Naval Academy 5th from the bottom of his class. McCain's unwillingness to sit down with those who have different opinions from him came off as stubborn and ignorant. McCain and his running mate have been caught in multiple bold faced lies and distortions that compromise any sane person's ability to trust him or her. I feel that McCain chose a running mate to make him look good to Americans. Obama chose a running mate that would be good for Americans. McCain's personal relationships could be a Jerry Springer segment. Obama's, a Hallmark love story. Obama is a leader that is already respected world wide. Senator Obama represents the best of and for America and he will definitely get my vote for President. .

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Vesalius — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:03:32 GMT

In response to Love your country! Actually if you were half as intelligent as you think you are, you would look up who Vesalius was and what he contributed ultimately to modern medicine. I would not expect that a person that voted for Bush twice would take the effort nor have the know how to do that. Actually, I am Native American and probably more North American than you by default. You are just the type of dim-whit that will vote 4 more years of lining CEOs pockets. Congratulations on your sub-par IQ. Get some sleep before you strokeout both of your microscopic cerebral hemispheres.

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lifegard2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:05:38 GMT

Will someone PLEASE tell Obama enough of the blame game. I get it. His message that Bush = Bad has been pounded into my head. Enough. I don't want to hear how we got into this mess right now, I want to hear how we're going to get out. There will be time for forensics later to prevent it from happening again. I'm tired of hearing how Bush and McCain are the same, they failed, blah, blah, blah, tell me how you're going to make things better! I'm resigned to the real possibility that you will be my next president. I'd prefer not to wait until you're in office to know what you're going to do different. Once you're there, you can't blame Bush anymore, the buck will stop with you.

Furthermore, to lob Bush and McCain in the same boat is ridiculous. Are they similar w/ similar ideologies, probably. However, I voted for Bush in the 2000 primaries because McCain's platform was damn near identical to Al Gore's.

Bottom line, get over the last 8 years and look to the future. McCain did a great job of doing that tonight. You, Mr. Obama, did not. Like the website says "MoveOn"!

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lilms — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:06:11 GMT

Oh NO it was NOT RUMOR that Billy had numerous chances to take Ben Laden out, STEVELLEY!!! The master of wimp admitted it himself. And again you dems pass the blame which is all any of them have ever done.... ie: Johnson, Carter and your boy Billy...

Maybe that's why there has been only the 3 in the past FORTY years.

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jazzyarizona — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:07:05 GMT

Yes, yes, everybody's right....but PLEASE don't give us Palin. A wolf''s fore leg.....oh God, give me a break! This woman is a vampire.......

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jbleezee — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:07:52 GMT

Hey President, Phreejazz. Are you deaf? Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh (wait a second, I'm still thinking) uh, mm, uh oh yah BLAH BLAH BLAH STUTTER STUTTER STUTTER. I agree with what John says, (BECAUSE I REALLY HAD NO CLUE ABOUT THAT, BUT I'LL AGREE TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE I KNOW. THEN I'LL ADD SOME POLITICAL DANCING TO TRY AND SOUND BETTER WITH A FEW FANCY WORDS. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WON'T SEE THRU MY BULLSH^T.) Obama had to have McCain explain to him what is really going on in our world, then he was like yah sure I knew that. BULLSH^T!!!!! Obama had no f-ing clue about what was behind the Russian/Georgian conflict, and how Russia was trying to destroy Georgia's economy, take over their country, and why? To have control over the oil pipeline that runs thru Georgia. McCain already has knowledge of what Russia had planned to do in the future. Now we hear about Russia losing a ship full of tanks on it's way to Kenya to pirates. What's Russia doing sending tanks to Kenya? A seriously corrupt led country. Sounds to me like McCain knows what's happening and will more than likely know how to handle it. Those are things Obama can't find in a book or a script that his people wrote for him. Competant he is not. Elegant, sure, when he's not stuttering or interupting McCain because he remembered what he was suppose to say. Everyone bitched about Bush and the 7 minutes on 9-11. How long would it take Obama to respond to something like this? Maybe if he's like Clinton, he'll do nothing, like the U.S.S. Cole incident. Clinton knew where Osama was at that time, should have taken care of him before 9-11 had to happen. I'm not looking for someone who is great at speaking, or looks good on camera. Or add 3 more programs to his already outragous budget plan. Who's paying for all this? Obama talks a good talk, just like Clinton did. Sounds good, but unexperienced guesses and memorized memo's will only get you so far, then what? Another 9-11? Or worse...

After the debate, polls were taken on several stations about who you would vote for now? Results of the undecided. MSNBC - 38%, FOX - 2%. Looks like to me your Democrats still don't know who or what they want.

It's sad that young America will add votes to the Obama campaign, based on things and life they have not a clue about. I know when I was 18 and entered a voting booth for the first time, I knew who I wanted for president, but I had no clue what all the props were really about and who the other people were on the ballot. At that age, most everything is misunderstood, even though you think you know it all. You don't realize the future impacts, because you're more worried about college, girls, guys, partying, or whatever else. I'm not saying we don't have a few bright kids, but life experience gives you an understanding of what's important and what's not. With a failing economy brought on by deregulation during the Clinton years, there is a lot at stake here. Not only in America, but the unstable world as a whole. Experience matters!!!!!!!!!

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ManURebel — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:11:27 GMT

I think this debate will prove to the American public that Obama is not ready to lead the country and those who vote for him are either idiots, blind, or both. He can't speak properly unless he is reading a teleprompter. His experience in public service is comprised of being a community leader with lots of shady associations and being a junior senator for less than 200 days, each and every one of those days on the campaign trail, instead of doing the job he gets paid to do by the American taxpayers. He always voted present in the senate, not yer or no, yet he voted yes for a law that deprived an surviving abortion baby of the right to live. That to me equals a monster. Nobody can even prove where he was actually born. He claims to have converted from a Muslin to a Christian. I'm sorry but it doesn't happen that way, maybe the other way aroung but not like this. He wants to "talk things over." when all the radical, American-hating, nuclear weapon holding countries are breathing down our necks and threatening to blow us to kingdom come. No thanks, I couldn't belong to a party who has delighted in bashing a woman, a mother of five, one who chose not to abort a baby with DS, one with enough integrity to fire government officials for not being ethical, and most important of all, a woman who served the people of Alaska even to the point of forcing the big oil companies to share with the people of Alaska some of their overblown profits. Yes, the big oil companies who have had us over a barrel (no pun intended) over gas prices. She took them on and won! What a leader she would make, and what a woman she is, more qualified to be president than Obama, if you stop and think about it. God save this country if Obama wins.

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Jiminsanmiguel — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:11:35 GMT

Denverrose You are Wrong!

"After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today’s dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe “Voodoo economics” candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they’re still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan’s tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn’t been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan’s tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure. As a nation, we’ve been coasting since the early 1980s, living on borrowed money while we burn through (in some cases literally) the hospitals, roads, bridges, steam tunnels, and other infrastructure we built in the Golden Age of the Middle Class between the 1940s and the 1980s. " [ed.Thanks to Tom Hartman] Go Obama!

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cherlynn — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:14:16 GMT

When I read these posts, I am reminded of the times, I have witnessed my children not being able to get along. During these times, we mom's just put our cranky children in a separate rooms and call it a time out. Thankfully, the election is just a short time away and everyone can just shut the hell up, vote for who you want, and be done with the petty arguing.

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cherlynn — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:15:40 GMT

When I read these posts, I am reminded of the times, I have witnessed my children not being able to get along. During these times, we mom's just put our cranky children in separate rooms and call it a time out. Thankfully, the election is just a short time away and everyone can just shut the hell up, vote for who you want, and be done with the petty arguing.

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MuseOn — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:16:09 GMT

I was extremely surprised to see the headline "Why McCain won"!?? On Newsweek!??

But of course....there´s a "but" - and full of the interpreted "bad intentions" of his words, that him not looking at Obama is "condescension" - "but" all ok when Obama does not look at McCain? McCain has "sticky moments"....and, not Obama? And McCain won...."but".....it will "crystallize" over time...

Ref: "Damn liberal media, always out to ge--oh, wait. Never mind."

- I think you´re right on track, with bias reporting. Politics as usual. A play with words, only. Still, the intention is pretty clear.

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I Still Love Bush — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:18:53 GMT

All this people still want to down Bush. Oh we are ready for a change. But for GW don't you think he can not wait to get back to Texas and not hear all the blames directed to him. All I can say is the man and his wife and children are going to love being back in their home town away from all you freaks. And my point on OBAMA go ahead vote for someone who is not 100% American who is trying to act like he is the next John F Kennedy, where he or his wife who tries to be Jackie are way to far from being them and never will because they don't have enough class to be them. John was a true American that grew up in the political world. So go ahead all you OBAMA supporters vote for him because most of us really don't care anymore because it is just not the president who brings this country up or down. As for MCCAIN how can people make comments about his posture well you go be a POW and see what condition you come out in. Half of you cowards would not last a week. As for Biden going to make Palin struggle for her words well wait and see you are up for a big surprise. Just do what you think is best and you will see in the long run OBAMA is just not experienced enough in the war and that is what we have to focus on right now and finish what we started before those damn terrorist are in our kids schools and shopping malls. I think Bush has done a great job since 2001 keeping our country safe. And hell if you don't agree with me I don't care I will still wake up in the morning and go on with my business. Finally Bush you go and enjoy your trip back home in January and look forward to the future with your family. There is still some supporters out here that think you did a great job. And for you John McCain you keep moving through the states and you and Palin got my vote and 100 of my friends and family votes. And last but not least all you OBAMA voters go ahead and call me up when the change happens. And that is when you will see your gas, groceries, electric and everything else go up. GO MCCAIN/PALIN!

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ASUGURL — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:20:27 GMT

Andrew was watching some other debate. You are totally wrong Obama explained his strategy well, very well. McCain told too many stories and really went no where with his plans. But if you support the Iraq war then that speaks why you are so one sided. As for me, my sister is in the Marines and has told me that they need more support in Afganistan and there isn't enough troops out there. They want to finish the job they came there to do. Like Pat Tilman they wanted to go after the Taliban not Iraq. If McCain talked to the troops and asked them he would know that because it is not a secret. Get out of the hellicopter McCain and if you want to know the truth why don't you ask the people who are there for 16 to 18 months. Get it from the horses mouth you fool.

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BThower — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:21:18 GMT

Even as a historical Republican, I'm afraid to say Obama won this hands down. The economic policy adopted by this country over the past several years has brought us into the worst recession since the Great Depression, and it may get worse. This is serious, and I will NOT vote for another president that puts my future and my children's and grandchildren's future in danger. I am saddened by our party's lack of responsibility to the American people. I wish McCain was a stronger candidate. I REALLY wish they had made a different choice in Palin. Ugh.

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Love My Country — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:22:18 GMT

Vesalius - born in Brussels.......yeah, yeah....Totally irrelevant, so don't turn this around on me (something Obama would do, go figure) - my point is made and very clear. I have Native American in my blood line as well - it doesn't make me any better than anybody else, and living where I live, in the land of Native Americans, I am sick to death of working my butt off to support my family while they sit back and get a "kick back" from the government just for being who they are. So, don't worry, I won't have an aneurysm or anything, but do know that I, and all of my "dim-witted" friends, who actually work and make decent money doing so, because we did what we had to do to get an education, and better ourselves, WILL be voting for an ALL American boy - whether he's 70 or 170. And we will sit back and be incredibly relaxed as we watch our President place his hand over his heart as he sings our National Anthem. You have a great night! :)

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user name — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:24:41 GMT

I thought we were fighting radical Muslims,why do we want one as president?

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bcarr22 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:25:24 GMT

Here's the Carr take on the first presidential debate. Guaranteed correct 99.99% of the time. As I often say, 'It's a curse being me; life holds no surprises.'

Out of 8 questions, each candidate "won" one each.

Scoreboard

Obama 1 McCain 1

From the remaining six questions, depending on your point of view, either both candidates tied on four and McCain won two, or both candidates tied on two and McCain won four. Either way, there were no knockouts and no knock downs. However, after tabulating the scores, the judges give a technical knockout to McCain. Obama agreed with McCain's position 8 times, while McCain said Obama "just doesn't get it" 7 times. Does that mean Obama is 15 times as left wing as McCain? Quite possibly.

Scoreboard

Obama 3 McCain 5

Obama 2 McCain 6

In summary, tonight the pundits fully expected Obama to dance all over McCain, but that just never materialized. Instead, McCain was able to get under Obama's skin and leave him flustered several times. With Obama repeatedly smirking on camera and laughing over the top of his opponent's response, then calling out, "Untrue!" so many times, I was fully expecting Obama to finally exclaim, "Bullet-proof infinity!" It was shades of Al Gore all over again. Hardly Obama's best effort. Or should I say Uh-bama. The man says "Uh" more than any candidate in recent memory. He averaged seven "Uhs" per two minute response. I know. I counted. Once he became flustered and disoriented, I fully expected to hear Obama begin using the colloquialisms of his generation, such as "like," or "he was all...." and "I was all...."

In general, Obama came off as well rehearsed, yet scripted, cold and detached - almost clinical in his responses. While McCain was warm, empathetic, authentic, real and engaging. The difference in experience is astounding, to Obama's detriment. While McCain spoke frequently about distant nations and leaders he had often visited and conferred with, Obama could only muse about what might happen someday in the distant future, when he has enough experience to be president, too. It was embarrassing, really. Very much like the arrogant college freshman who finally gets to take on his professor, fully expecting the old man to be a pushover, only to realize too late that his teacher knows a thing or two about how things work.

Remember the climactic fight scene in "An Officer And A Gentleman" between Lou Gosset, Jr. and Richard Gere? You just knew the young buck was going to trash the acerbic drill sergeant. Uh-Uh. Nope. What happened next was a carbon copy of tonight's debate. The two warriors, battered and bloodied, almost take each other out. But only at the last second does the tough Gunnery Sargeant Emil Foley reach into his bag of (dirty) tricks and leave the cocky First Lieutenant Zack Mayo crumpled on top of himself. The 'Gunny' mopped up the ring with the cadet. So, too, did McCain lay waste to much of Obama's "Messiah" myth tonight.

It was clear Obama never expected McCain to come out swinging and be on the attack so quickly. Obama never had the goods to respond. Obama was flat-footed from the start and McCain quickly got him off balance and kept him there.

Obama should give serious consideration to changing his name to Uh-bama or O-bumble. Tonight, it was clear McCain will not hold his opponent's age and inexperience against him. While many Obama supporters hoped McCain would show (and act) his age, McCain exhibited no symptoms of early onset Alzheimer's Disease. In fact, the opposite occurred; Obama called Sen. John McCain "Jim" at one point, then "Tom" later on. Blame it on the bright lights and cameras. Rookie mistakes. He'll get it right by the fourth debate. Of course, that will be in 2012. Assuming Hillary allows her VP nominee to debate the incumbent president.

Debate 2008 Scoreboard

McCain 1 Obama 0

Let's see what the Veeps can do next.

Brad

Murrieta, CA

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Jiminsanmiguel — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:25:49 GMT

Have we forgotten what this is all about. McCain sounds ...but look at his record. He did actually vote for the last 8 years of this Crime

Since Bush has been president:

over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;

nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;

median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;

three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;

three million American workers have lost their pensions;

home foreclosures are now the highest on record;

the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn’t happened since the great depression;

the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;

entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;

wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.

And there is the little matter of the Iraq War which will rob the treasury for years. And the Surge. It's just a stopgap. McCain would keep spending $10,000,000,000 a month probably for 50 years and even then the tribal animosities which have defeated armies since before the times of the Romans

will never resolve themselves. Sadly it was a war that should never have been fought!

Vote Obama

Oh! And McCain doesn't look all that healthy to me. Do we really want Palin as the President? What kind of judgment does this show on McCain's part?

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dcunnin574 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:28:32 GMT

Obama did misquote Kissinger. (Kissenger, the Noble Peace Prize recipient, is already out comfirming with the press Obamas mistake)

Obama was out of his depth, as per not going to many countries, and interacting with many leaders as McCain. Examples: Afganistan, Georgia, Ukraine...etc.

Obama was debating Bush, not McCain.

Obama attempted to point out that McCain "votes 90%" with Bush, but found out that McCain voted against the Republicans in many issues going back to Reagan in Lebannon, and Bosnia, or Kosovo, and Somolia, and has a history of compromise with Democrats and moderate Republicans. Well, if Obama had actually voted yea or nea, instead of "present" almost 200 times, we might actually see what kind of a record he has.

I wish McCain would have brought up William Ayres, Obamas ties to the former unrepentent terrorist. Oh well.

I wish McCain would have pointed out to Obama that he cannot tax the nation back to prosperity, as Obama tries to explain his tax plan....

I wish McCain would have pointed out MORE of Obama's gaffs, such as stated basically that Russia invading Georgia (a free democracy), to the US led coalition invading Iraq (a cruel totallitarian dictatorship) with a UN mandate......

Overall I thought McCain won, but Obama did OK...but OK is not good enough, especially with naivety, and inexperience in this cruel world.

Just ask Henry Kissenger......

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lifegard2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:29:09 GMT

ASUGURL, uh, you're missing some info here. I recently spent some time w/ my best friend from high school. He's done two tours in Iraq and just returned home in February. When I asked him (firsthand) about the situation, his response was they wished that the politicians would get the hell out of the way and let the soldiers do their jobs so they could finish up and come home. He told me many stories of the Iraqi people being pleased we were there, of children reaching towards him with outstretched arms during his first tour. He confessed this made learning of his second tour much easier to handle. Like your friend in Afghanistan, the soldiers in Iraq want very much to finish the job they were sent to do. And yes, this IS coming from someone who was there the 15-18 months that you said. While I don't doubt for a moment what you say about Afghanistan, you're dead wrong on Iraq.

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lifegard2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:30:10 GMT

Jiminsanmiguel, and how much of this has happened within the last two years since the Democrats regained control of Congress? This is a fact that NO ONE is covering.

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Jiminsanmiguel — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:35:52 GMT

In my family, our parents were born in Ireland. They became citizens. When I look at our extended family I see Irish, Polish, German, English, African, Russian-Jewish,Japanese,Puerto Rican and African American bloodlines. WE ARE ALL AMERICANS!

Barack Obama is as American as any person born in the United States regardless of their bloodlines. The racism on this blog is sad and so 1950. Grow up and look at that great world that we live in. We are all sons and daughters living on planet earth. Some are richer, some poorer - some smarter , some dumber etc etc We are all human beings!

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jbleezee — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:35:52 GMT

ASU GURL - sounds like an uneducated ear. Get a better education and leave Arizona. There are plenty of other schools in our country that cost less and will give you some knowledge. You must like his looks or how great he is at reciting literature. Uh uh uh Yah what John said...............Song and dance. We don't need it. Had it for the last 16 years. Good speaking doesn't make good policies.

BThower - Clinton started this with deregulation and free trade. I lost my job in 2001 because it was a better idea for the company I worked for to go over seas. Free trade bad. Deregulation - don't need to keep any of the big companies in check ...... our current economy. Congrats for supporting the true a-holes that caused all of this. Thank you.

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Love My Country — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:36:51 GMT

Hey there "I Still Love Bush" correct me if I'm wrong, but wow, didn't Kennedy get shot? Hmmmm.....I don't believe for a second that that would be something too terribly far from reality if Obama gets into office, Though, I'd not be surprised if he is the AntiChrist. Vesalius, are you a Christian? Do you have Christian values, morals and ethics? Or do you believe an eye for an eye? *Shakes head* I'm done posting....so slam me all you want, but I too will sleep well tonite knowing the decisions that I'm making are for my children and grandchildren's future. I will live by the cross and die by the cross, and I will stand on Biblical principals and values. And if that makes me a "loser" to the rest of you - oh well, you'll get over it. Everyone have a great weekend! Eventually this will all be over.

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ajames63 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:42:24 GMT

What a surprise...you thought McCain won. I would have never guessed YOU would choose McCain. I mean you are SO FAIR AND BALANCED. Your articles are never one sided...I mean you are practically the opposite of Fox news.

Seriously, did anyone watch the debate besides me? AMERICA IS IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS AND MCCAIN WANTS TO DISCUSS THE HEIGHTH OF KOREANS, CHRISTMAS TREES, AND BRACELETS. GIVE ME A BREAK! I'VE NEVER SEEN AN OLD GUY GET SCHOOLED SO BAD....AND IT WAS SO ENJOYABLE. EVEN HIS POW CRIES DIDN'T GET AN EXCITED HEARTBEAT OUT OF THE REPUBLICANS. EVERY LAYMAN THAT I'VE TALKED TO ADMITS THAT MCCAIN GOT HIS A$$ KICKED. BUT FEEL FREE TO SPIN IT ROMANO. ITS YOUR LAST BEST HOPE. HEAVEN FORBID YOU PAY TAXES NEXT YEAR.

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wiseman4sure1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:43:05 GMT

It is clear that the polls are wrong frrom the absence of more qualified voters who do not have a land line phone.Too many kids who are too young to vote are commenting in the internet polls

and making it look as if Obama is in the lead just so they can have an admitted cocaine user in the oval office. And Obama repeatedly stated that "McCain is right". It became very clear that Obama don't understand what it is to be in a position of responsibility, from his 132 votes of "present" in the record of his public service. McCain will win this by a Landslide.All Obama did was get out of work steel workers on foodstamps.As for the Bailout, the democrats wanted to buy the whole 7 billion and the republicans want to freeze the assets and insure that the frozen assets are bought back from the taxpayers to recoup the losses from the bailout. if you are too young to vote keep out of the polls. We don't need a president who followed the "God Dam America" preachings of a lunatic for 20+ years.

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jbleezee — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:45:27 GMT

Love My Country - Christians rock! There is so much ANTI_GOD coming from the Democratic party it's unbelievable. They chastise us for our beliefs, amazing! "IN GOD WE TRUST!" a statement by our founding fathers. A statement of faith and belief that this country would succeed thru that trust they had in God. And now you Dems want to tear all of that down. Stop the racial, religious, age, and sex discrimintory comments. This is 2008! We are all Americans.

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caliconserve — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:46:26 GMT

Andrew ( piason ), You have made the most sense I have read or heard since the debate, THANK YOU! Stuck in wonderful 6:00 o'clock California traffic this evening, I had a clear chance to listen to the debate, not get sucked in by appearence or visual gimicks. As I crept along on the freeway, I actually got to hear what each canidate had to say. Let me preempt the remainder of my $.2 worth by saying I'm not voting by party fo a president, more so by what our nation needs with the current state of affairs. I could go on and on about wall street, the wars or those crazy Bas--ards leading various rogue states, but what it boils down to right now from our future leader is courage, common sense, honor and maybe just maybe we can all actually get a "pinch" of real honesty, not some flaybouant diatribe over what the Bush white house did or didn't do etc... While I'm at it, lets not leave out the other dancers to that tune! Our illustrious thoughful senate and house of reps., sorry but the dance for the past 7+ years wasn't 1 guy twisting across the floor just to have another man jump into this fiasco right now blaming their opponent and making flimsey comparissions but telling each 1 of us he's out for " real change", yea yea yea!. NO offense B.OB. faithful, but what this country needs right now is a CORRECTION, not idealistic theories to make the american public believe we will really see change, Nuff Said!!!

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rube — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:47:54 GMT

To those conservatives, oh heck I can't even call you conservatives anymore...

There nothing conservative about - "the largest most expensive government in American history...

the creation of the largest debt in history... the largest financial crash in history... fighting a war based on subversion and duplicity then cheering for the war to continue... katrina- the largest federal failure to handle a catastrophe in American history!" etc etc...

Now whats so conservative about these facts?

Sounds more like fatalism, imperialism,

idiotism! Pick anything but conservative?

The last point Ill make since it went over everyone head.

Mccain said this during the debate, when asked how he would respond to the current financial crisis?

"I would immediately freeze all spending except the military, the pentagon and veterans!" Ladies and gentleman - McCain doesn't get it! That would mean the end to the United States as we know it!

In essence he is saying he will create and maintain a military/police state at all costs! This is what the Roman Empire did, this is what Nazi Germany did, this is what Imperial Japan did!

The policies of Bush/McCain are a dismal failure, the proof is in your house equity, your bank accounts, your paycheck, it’s on Wall street, its on the shelves of your supermarket, its on the corner gas station, its in job and house lose,

its on the streets and deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan.

It’s in the defiance of Pakistan, Russia, Venezuela and now China!

Wars are won or lost by the rightness, wisdom and decency of the participants!

As our nations history goes we have never lost a war when we were right but now we have lost wars because we were ideologically wrong!

It’s not just about strength its about wisdom and justice.

American qualities that have been inactive during the past seven plus years of GOP politics!

These are American qualities that George Bush, John McCain and the GOP and some dems too will never grasp! Senator Obama knows this, he pertains the basic wisdom, that when it comes to war- you first must do all you can to maintain peace!

This is how you support and respect your military and this is how you love our nation!

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wiseman4sure1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:50:44 GMT

It is clear that the polls are wrong frrom the absence of more qualified voters who do not have a land line phone.Too many kids who are too young to vote are commenting in the internet polls

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wiseman4sure1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:51:27 GMT

It is clear that the polls are wrong frrom the absence of more qualified voters who do not have a land line phone.Too many kids who are too young to vote are commenting in the internet polls

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ajames63 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:51:49 GMT

HEY wiseman4sure1 how about you learn english? You republicans are big on English being the "official language" of the US, right?

"It became very clear that Obama don't understand what it is to be in a position of responsibility, from his 132 votes of "present" in the record of his public service. McCain will win this by a Landslide.HOWAll Obama did was get out of work steel workers on foodstamps."

Quit being an idiot. Learn English. Less lipstick. You probably have a confederate flag in your living room. OMG north koreans are shorter than south koreans....what a travesty.

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lifegard2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:53:46 GMT

Rube, where have the dems been the last two years since taking over congress to stop this? There is more than enough blame to go around.

Regarding Iraq, at what point do you say diplomacy and talks are failing? Is it before or after you are struck?

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tjmorrill — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:01:00 GMT

Once again, the media wants to make itself the final word. The CNN audience meter is so STUPID and contrived, I can't believe that we can take it seriously. What a crock.

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lvuback1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:01:40 GMT

My fear is that McCain's near tearful telling of the great sacrifice of our armed forces without saying that those scarifices were made in a lost war and that he wants even more dead bodies to "finish the job" may have captured the imagination of some voters who don't quite pay attention. The war is lost. We will not get out clean. All we can do is handle a disgraceful situation with as much dignity as possible.

By the way, why didn't Obama nail McCain on "the success of the surge?" Creating a police state with a soldier on every corner to contain violence does not constitute a win unless we wish to become the KGB and remain in Iraq forever. Obama let it pass. Saddened me.

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Texan to da Bone — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:02:21 GMT

Obama had WAY too much EYE Makeup on. He's a Girlie Man. McCain Won this Hands Down.

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upyoursobama12dz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:02:54 GMT

Internet comments are not accurate

1. hackers have programs to keep voteing the same answer over and over

2.peopl wo have no clue vote (watched my 7 year old niece do one )

her respons was i wanted to win (by picking the one with the higher score)

if she does it im shore others are doing it

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BaldEagle — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:05:20 GMT

McCain wins on merit alone. Obama is disingenuous, a fraud. All his community work was for blacks in Chicago. He isn't interested in white AMERICA. He wants to be president of black America and anyone who sees his radical associations can see that. Wright, Fleger, Eyers, Farrakan and Rezko, just to name a few. 96% of blacks will vote for Obama...and that is said to be, by Rev Al Sharpton, voting their "interests" while whites who don't vote for Obama are "racists." Wake up America. Vote your "interest" before you no longer have it.

It is said that a person's core beliefs are instilled in them by age 10. If that is true, then Obama's core values were instilled by an ATHIEST mother and a radical MUSLIM father. Don't take my word for it...check out his influences from age 1 - 10. Then compare them to his radical associations politically and religiously as an adult...do we really believe he DIDN'T know what Rev Wright was preaching? It frightens me THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO WIN SO BAD THEY ARE WILLING TO ENTRUST THIS GREAT NATION TO A MAN OF SUSPICIOUS ORIGIN...and this does not make me a racist, it makes me a man from Illinois who did his homewwork and found Obama to be an empty suit...a puppet of Howard Dean and his egomanical drive to win the White House from the GOP...get the muslim garb ladies because if Obama wins, you will not enjoy the freedoms you now hold dear. Just watch Michelle Obama...in my opinion she is a racist to be sure, and she hates Hillary Clinton and I bet that is why Obama decided not to have Hillary on the ticket. Of course this is all just one man's opinion, but if you do your homework objectively and honestly and as an American, you may come to the same opinion.

God Bless Americanand God Bless John Mc Cain.

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chrsnorbt — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:06:35 GMT

First of all, McCain did not win, let's get that very clear, once again, McCain DID NOT WIN. You have to understand this Republican party. It is very simple, an oil man is president and we go and start a war in oil land. Next thing ya know gas is almost $4.00 a gallon. His buddy who is a landlord and landowner type fella wants to become president and is running out of money for his campaign so now they tell us all the home loan companies need 700 billion or we are going to face serious problems. Sounds a little fishy if you ask me.

Everyone of you who call yourself republicans out there and are not part of that 5% that are hideously wealthy must understand one thing… you all are suckers. That party has been using you and lying to you for the past 30 years or more to give them power. Power to do what you might ask? Well first of all let's understand something, the republican party only cares about big business special interest groups who use the republican party to pass all sorts of laws and policies and what not that are geared at letting them getting away with robbing you blind. They just love white people who live out in the country or even in the cities that make between 30 to 70 grand a year. They fuel these people's fears with newspapers such as this one and Rush Limbaugh! Then they try to touch your hearts with a little heartfelt story about the lady at the airport whose son died in the war, please! The only way the republicans and their special interest backers want to touch you hearts is to rip the still beat beating thing out of your chest when you are not making them money anymore. The republicans are not a political party. They are indeed a business tool. They want to enslave us all.

All that crap McCain was saying about Obama spending too much just showed me one thing, Obama did a good job for his state, Don't let all that talk McCain was saying fool you, 18 billion ain't nothing compared to the 300 billion in tax cuts McCain gave to business owners who are shipping jobs over seas. McCain does not have a clear plan for this bailout either. Barack is for it but wants to regulate it. Which certainly should be done. You don't go and spend that kind of money and not watch it closely.

Let's not forget those plans on producing new jobs. I am not even going to say whose plan is whose. The first plan is to create 700,00 new jobs by 2030. that is about 31 or 32,000 new jobs a year to be spread out over the whole US. Well isn't that just wonderful that means some us will be able to afford food! The second is to create 5,000,000 new jobs in 10 years. Now, ask yourself who has to better plan. Oh, the better one is Obama of course.

I saw Barack on the Daily Show about three years ago and I had no clue who he was or what his name was. I thought that he was some sort of insider or a writer or something that must have had a lot of insider knowledge as to what was going on over there. Until then I haven't heard anyone have a clear definite vision on how to fix what was going on over there. I thought to myself like why isn't he fixing these things, hey Bush hire this guy, he's knows what he is talking about. I found out later he was a senator and his name was Barack Obama, and he might run for president! I must admit I thought to myself, what an unfortunate name well that will never fly! Dude beat Hillary! She was a shoe in. He is everything that America should stand for.

Did you know that first man in America to die defending our country from the British was a black man? actually he was a martyr of the American Revolution. His name was Crispus Attucks. A black man for president? If he is the best one for the job, you're damn right! You know, I can tell right now that a lot of you who are republican and want McCain, are indeed racist and are going to let a little thing like color help you help the "real" republicans, or who I like to call "The New American Fascist Regime" ruin this country. Hey you're American, you're better than that. It didn't stop Crispus.

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rube — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:07:02 GMT

Andrew, McCain blurps all sorts of alligations- what should Obama do?

Its amazing that the one remark from Mccain, "I would would freeze all spending except the military, the pentagon and the vets!"

Are you that droned out to realize that is an imperalistic fascist way to look at our economy, our nation and this unwarrented war we are losing our collective asses in!

Nice work Corky!

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GregHere — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:09:09 GMT

..........................................John "Military Warrior" McCain kept making wild assertions during the debate that were not factual and stretched everything he could to twist the debate from truly informing the American People. "Military Warrior" McCain has spent 26 years in Congresspromoting Militarism and Military Strength and has perfected his Military Stump Speech through the years by first starting to speak before Veterans Groups. McCain will give us 4 years of war and a bad name among the People of the World as we bully and intimidate other countries stressing his Neocon Philosophy......................Do you want a Maverick Secretary of War type guy to run our Country?

Obama tried to stress his philosophy of being a "Statesman Leader" as he talked how he would use intellegence as well as power when he would work with other Countries. Obama knows what is going on and would not just try to bully and kick ass on the world stage, he would restore respect to the USA like it was in past eras and would not attempt to use False Political Patriotism here in our Country to fan the flames of hate against areas of the world like Bush did and McCain wants to do. McCain is a "War Dog" from a military family who has been for war all through the years.................Do you want WAR or do you want a Secure More Stable World to take shape during the next 4 years?????,

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upyoursobama12dz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:09:23 GMT

I never inhaled

i never had sexual relations with that woman

i never served in the military

im not a muslim (got a muslim name)

im not a racist (got some racist friends)

i never served in the military

starting to see a trend with the dumbacrats here

hey obama how you gonna get the troops out you aint ever been to boot camp let alone run the military (go home to you momma)

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obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:09:56 GMT

After the debate, polls show that the people favor Obama's performance over McCain's. I was one of them. Not only was Obama sure-footed, intelligent, and focused, but he was also gracious and polite - qualities that are lacking in John McCain. McCain showed his haughty, ungracious (amongst other adjectives) temperament by having the audacity to avoid eye contact completely and to not even look toward Obama the entire time.

McCain had the audacity to call Obama "stubborn". Unbelievable, since McCain echoes and even exceeds Bush's policy on Iraq, which has widely been criticized as an unending stubborn refusal to acknowledge the dismal truth. He had the audacity to blatantly lie about his stance against torture, when he actually voted against a bill to ban it (waterboarding, etc.), and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban!

McCain and Palin (see CBS Couric/Palin interview!) always seem to fall back on cookie-cutter talking points, insulting condescension and distasteful smears to make their point, while providing little to no substance. Please be aware of their self-serving lies, pandering and collective lack of intelligence. We need a President who is stable (mentally and emotionally!), thoughtful, strong, and intelligent. That is Barack Obama.

P.S. Kerri88: Please for everyone's sake get your nose out of the Coulter books, your ears and eyes away from Fox News, and think for yourself for a *change*.

The "whiners" you and your beloved right-wing hateful pundits love to bring up are people who have fallen into suffering because of the greedy and selfish policies of this asinine admin. and its other wealthy cohorts. It is their constitutional right to put forth their complaints in all manner of protest when their government is clearly abusing them. If you do not see that then you are a fool and a puppet.

Also, see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp in which: "Modern custom does not require a hand over the heart, said Anne Garside, director of communication for the Maryland Historical Society, home of the original manuscript of The Star-Spangled Banner. "I think the bottom line is that you show respect with your demeanor," she said. "Whether you put your hand over your heart, hold your hat at shoulder level or waist level, is really in this day and age irrelevant." "The senator himself said that 'My grandfather taught me when I was 2. During the Pledge of Allegiance, you put your hand over your heart. During the national anthem, you sing.'"

Michelle was referring to the common knowledge that is the abysmal record this country has on its treatment of black and other minority Americans as compared to its white citizens. She was finally proud to see America as mature enough to see beyond skin color to bring a man of African descent to the national stage.

So, the lesson: Please stop being a part of the problem (hate) by spreading viral distorted lies. You must know that it only does a disservice to you, your party, O'Reilly, Coulter, Fox News, etc.

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obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:20:53 GMT

FYI, I am "white". AS IF THAT REALLY MATTERS. I also was raised in and live in a small town. I hear that topic (the good people of small-town America) is all the rage nowadays too. I AM a good, concerned citizen, but it really is true that in small towns (unless you're talking Sun Valley-types), if you have "liberal" views, you are the black sheep. But I am not alone here, and we march on for positive change for the majority. Obama/Biden '08-'12

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russianblue — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:22:51 GMT

In response to jbleezee

Anti_GOD coming from the Democrats huh? Anti-God is the Republicans supported by the Evangelicals sending over 4,000 young Americans to their death in Iraq, brainwashed by propaganda spewed out by their churches & the Pres. & his hawkish cabinet. God didn't mystically whisper in Bush's ear that it was his will for him to kill the infidel in Iraq anymore than he told Oral Roberts he had to raise millions or he'd be 'taking him home'. DIdn't raise it & Oral's still hanging around, ha ha. God hasn't commissioned anyone to fight a war since Ester begged Ahasuerus the King of the Persian Empire to allow the Jews to defend themselves from Haman's plot to kill them all off. They succeeded & decisively. That was around 475 BC. Christ came as the prince of peace & said that whoever lives by the sword will perish by the sword. When he wants the lawless done completely away with, he'll do it, using angels, not weak, imperfect man. And it will be selective warfare when the only one who can judge who's wicked & deserving of death & who isn't will be making the calls. And by the way, God & Christ aren't members of the NRA, totting semi-automatic weapons with the likes of Sara Palin & her Evangelical buddies who must be kissing cousins to the survivalists. Never saw in the Bible where Christ said "Kill, kill, kill!" McCain's drooling at the thought of sending more Americans to their death in Iran, Russia and who knows what other spots he has up his sleeve. He & Bush are the false prophet & the war mongering clergy are the antiChrist. Check out Revelation & see how they meet their end.

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hopkins1952 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:23:37 GMT

Far from what we the people saw Andrew. We saw one candidate saying the same old jokes, telling the same old lies and most of all having the same old policies. This was suppose to be McCains baby, but it was closer to a draw than you want to admit. Obama agreed, because a correct statement had been made. We want a leader who tells the truth, knows when to reach across the aisle and who isn't afraid to admit mistakes. The surge has not succeeded, because the war still goes on. We will not win a war where the different tribes have been fighting for centuries. The only way that we can win in Iraq is to look the other way and allow ethnic cleansing to occur, and we can not do that. McCain can say we are winning, but infact the enemy is just regrouping. Some of us can not face the fact that the USA can not win every confict or that we are right in everything that we do. What amazes me is that we talk about the 4000 men and women we have lost and the 30000 injured, but what about the people of Iraq who have died and suffered because our government chose to start a war based on lies and disceptions. The world has been watching us for quite a while. Can't you hear them laughing?

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gonegreengal — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:26:41 GMT

Wow - after 8 years and the beginning of a depression - anyone that thinks McCain was anything but a mean, disrespectul, thug is beyond saving. More war, more hurricanes and all because of Republicans greed and oil. We'll soon be broke and powerless thanks to the last 8 years.

Wake up people - we need the next generation of technology to get people back to work. We need peace long enough to rebuild because we have seen no threat greater than what we will face within the next 20 years due to global warming. That is directly from a news release from Homeland Security earlier this year.

Obama has a plan. Do you want to look your children and grandchildren in the eyes in 20 years and tell them you didn't do what you could when you had the chance? Obama/Biden!!!

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Vesalius — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:27:04 GMT

"Love My Country" Good luck with your choice. I too "worked my butt off" to get my education and to save the lives of people everyday. While you are working, sleeping, chatting with your friends, enjoying your family, you can almost bet I am saving someone's life and one of these days possibly trying to save yours or one of your friend's or loved one's lives. I for one believe Obama is an all-american just like McCain, you or I and I like you will be voting for whom I think has the best ability to use diplomacy, intelligence, thoughtfulness for the "common" good of the American people. I certainly will not be voting for someone who lines the pockets of the already wealthy. Let's hope that whomever is President that he doesn't run this country any further into the ground than Bush has. Sleep tight, and if you stroke out, remember it might be this Native American whom you believe gets a "kick back" saving your "hard working butt"...... And by the way, I am a southern baptist. Bible belt country....

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BaldEagle — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:30:06 GMT

The debate did not change the fact that Obama has muslim roots, a muslim name, 20 year, I said 20 year, radical associations with people who openly deride and hate America, especially white America. All his prepped rhetoric and flowery words cannot change these facts.

He hasn't changed in the past two years, but he wants to present that idea to get elected. My fellow Americans, it does not make us racist to vote our interest, either. I can think of two African Americans I would have voted for in a moment, Condi Rice and Colin Powell...it isn't about the color of their skin, it is about their love of country and their dedication to the American way of life.

I do not believe, by his actions alone, that Obama holds these beliefs. He is all about self interest and black interest...they even have to rationalize his refusal to put his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance and he finally wears a flag lapel pin in an attempt to appease those Americans who can be fooled by such a smoke-screen as that.

Please, my fellow Americans, wake up before it is too late. Passing on Hillary should have been your wake up call. THAT'S how bad they want to win...at the cost of advancing women's rights at the highest level of gvernment.

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caraprado — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:34:10 GMT

From:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-wins.html

Saturday, September 27, 2008

Obama Wins

CNN Poll of Debate Watchers:

Who won:

Obama: 51%

McCain: 38%

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-wins.html

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

jgmac13 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:35:08 GMT

The ignorance of most conservatives/Republicans never ceases to amaze me. They can so easily be duped into believing anything (AND THE SAD PART IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADERS KNOW HOW GULLIBLE THEY ARE, SO THE JUST KEEP FEEDING THEM CRAP)...duh, " Obama's a muslim, I read it on the internet, so it must be true, and gee whiz Gomer, just look at his name, he surely ain't an American!" They need to put down the NATIONAL ENQUIRER, do a little research and check FACTS! They all just keep proving that we need to take about 10% of our ENORMOUS and badly mis-spent military budget and funnel it into education for all these closed minded inbred clones. Wake up and use what gray-matter you have...there is no shame in electing someone smarter than yourself to be President.

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Caleb Murdock — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:36:49 GMT

I think Obama did better, although his speaking style is annoyingly choppy. McCain looked tense and annoyed to me, and he was clearly being condescending. His patronizing attitude was annoying to me -- hey, I'm the voter, let ME decide if Obama is qualified to be President.

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syto — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:36:53 GMT

Being American, we should vote for McCain. I cannot imagine an African American to run my country. This gives the Republican a follow-up to the Country's future success! We must think positive, he is possible.! with his experience and truthfulness.He cares for our future.

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gonegreengal — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:37:23 GMT

you go jgmac13

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Love My Country — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:39:34 GMT

Well Praise God Vesalius.....good to know we're on the same page even if we don't see eye to eye. I said I was done posting, but just for you......Keep on doin' what you're doin', and hopefully by grace it won't be me or any of my family whose life you are having to save. As they say out here in "redneck" land, "Yer doin' yer Country proud".....hehehe, perhaps you could be the next president?? LOL You take care Vesalius and have a great weekend! :)

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SITTINGONTHEFENCE — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:41:18 GMT

While reading the reviews I wish you would keep your finger pointing and name calling to yourself. When you blast the other side you are no better then they are. What I saw and heard last night was McCain hands down, I understood the points he was trying make, looking forward and not back. We are in this mess already now how do we make it through. Obama is getting there but McCain has been around longer and seems to know more about the topics they discussed. I felt McCain was right in Obama being naive, but just because Obama has not put in the time yet. I don't want the media to push Obama into office when he is not ready yet.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

syto — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:45:22 GMT

We should NOT vote for someone that can deliver good speeches like Obama. We want a President that can represent USA and can be respected by the Whole World.Do not forget USA is a big Country!

A President MUST be able to manage his team not a worker. McCain's experience will definitely command respect from his team, as for Obama, he has NO experience.

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sonial8 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:48:43 GMT

Absolutely matters, he proved main stream media wrong. I believe that Obama looked like a child next to McCain. In terms of being condescending - have you taken a look at Oprahbama's ads? Quite vile as well. I liked some of Oprah I mean Obama's comments in terms of negotiating first, I also thought that many of Obama's comments were news headlines. For example his comment on needing more security for ports - this has been said over and over again in the media.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Michael Friendly — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:49:21 GMT

Andrew, your one sided and opinionated story holds little, if any value whatsoever. Each poll I have read today, and since created after the debate shows that most people believe Obama "won" the debate based on his answers and points of view on the issues discussed. Perhaps you should seek some guidance from the people who watched this as a whole instead of just creating a story based on the headline in which you think will receive more readers...or is your brand of journalism just politics too?

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Kyila Sninsky — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:50:06 GMT

I tried to be open-minded during the debate, but, I'm sorry, after watching our country go down the tubes for the last eight years under the "leadership" of George Bush and his cronies, I can't help but think that we will have more of the same with McCain. He's been conditioned to think military and that there is no other means of dealing with our international problems. People accuse Obama of not having enough experience - look where experience has gotten us? What this country needs is a fresh, intelligent outlook on our world & domestic situation. It is time to start thinking about Americans in need! We need to feel proud of our country again. With McCain's "good, ole boy" way of thinking and his ludicrously ridiculous choice for running mate, we will be stepping FAR into the past. We will be returning to a Cold War, book banning, creationism, environmental disaster and the alienation (not to mention being the laughing stock) of the rest of the planet!

PLEASE, let's put the past behind us and, with Obama and Biden, make this country what is was meant to be - a place where anyone can have the American Dream (including an Afro-American!) -not just the well-to-do, high paid business men and women who are sucking the life out of this country! Obama/Biden give us the option for CHANGE and Obama CLEARLY had the more intelligent answers in tonight's debate!!!

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obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:51:33 GMT

To jbleezee (and Love My Country):

Yes, we are all Americans! But that does not mean we are all (or should be) Christians. It is amusing to me the way that supposed Christ-ians get just as hateful as some others, especially when they feel the need to defend their so-called divine religion. I was raised Christian, but naturally found when I was younger and forming my own individuality that it wasn't the faith for me. Everyone goes about their life paths in their own unique way. Others maybe not so unique. But you are all so proud of your beliefs and claim to be the loving, caring, concerned ones, when you are just as capable as anyone of any religion or anti-religion of shooting the evil eye or "throwing stones" at someone who crosses you personally!

So PLEASE everyone, lets leave religion out of political blogs, comments, discussion, out of government, and OUT of the faces of people who did not ask for it. Thank you very much, respectfully.

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Kyila Sninsky — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:53:23 GMT

And Palin wasn't even around to comment on the debate? Come on! Oh, sorry, maybe the Republican Party didn't want her making comments without a teleprompter. But Guiliani? What grand-standing!

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a180714 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:56:03 GMT

I just can't believe how many people seem to listen to Obama's campaign rhetoric and don't pay attention to his track record. He has no track record of "reaching across the aisle" and working in a bipartisan way. But now he says he will do so and people believe him. Hard to fathom. Obama's rating as the #1 most liberal Senator based on voting record means he is partisan. It is McCain who has an actual track record of working in a bipartisan way, which is exactly why he is not the darling of conservative Republicans.

I also think the media has treated Obama way too leniently on the racist preacher issue. Obama attended a church for 20 years which was headed up by a racist preacher. This preacher said inflammatory things like the US government gave AIDS to black people, that the US deserved the horrible violence of 9/11, and that we should not sing God Bless America, but God Damn America. Obama called this preacher his mentor and spiritual adviser. He included him on his campaign staff. Now, just imagine if the situation were reversed and McCain had the exact same association with a white supremacist preacher. The media would have slammed McCain and would still be doing so, right?. Yet, Obama has that exact situation with Reverend Wright and the media is largely silent on the issue.

People, wake up and look at the past actions and associations of the candidates and not just their campaign rhetoric of 2008.

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syto — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:56:17 GMT

McCain is always looking forward as to how he can improve present situation. Obama is always looking backward what has been done. I heard a thousand times from him about Iraq war etc, how can we even pull out now, we need to send more help to protect the lives of all those soldiers who are still there.We cannot pull out gradually, it is none or All!

I think Obama forgotten September 11th!

McCain fits a Presidential profile.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Morgan2008 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:57:25 GMT

Yes, McCain won and yes, it will matter. I watched every minute of the debate with no distractions and it was clear to me that John McCain has the experience, wisdom, good judgment, leadership, integrity and compassion to work with congress in a bipartisan effort to find solutions to the problems our country is facing. John McCain is the person who should be elected to be our next president. There was no mistaking that John McCain knew what he was talking about and has the experience to make the tough decisions. We also need a president that will reach across the partisan line and work with the whole congress. I know about John McCain's record as a Maverick which means when he thought his party was wrong he wouldn't go along and he would cooperate with the other party. John McCain is a man of principle over party and country first. John McCain will bring CHANGE that will make Washington function better. John McCain is the leader who can fix Washington.

When I listened to Barack Obama insert the word "I" so many times while trying to give himself credit for something and "when I'm president" as he explained how he will handle foreign policy and giving his Monday morning quarterback rhetoric regarding Iraq, my mind kept thinking how Obama has never served in the military and how little experience he has in the senate. It just sounded like a Hollywood actor playing his role in a movie. Apparently Obama had memorized his lines well and had been coached by his advisors, but it simply was not convincing. The thought flashed through my mind that probably the closest Barack Obama ever came to knowing any military tactics or strategies might have been if he played with GI Joe dolls when he was a kid or if he watched Hogan's Heroes or some of those military shows. It just all sounded so phony compared to someone like John McCain who has had so much experience. Obama is very partisan and doesn't seem at all like a team player. Obama is an "I" person...his ego will be his downfall. I think Obama lives in a fantasy world. He has a vision of himself as being the president whether he is qualified or not. I am surprised he didn't bring his presidential seal with him and have the American flag placed on the left and right side of him so he would look more presidential. It is all about looking presidential with Obama. I caught on to that charade during the primary between Obama and Hillary Clinton. He has recruited the young voters by making big promises of what will be given to them if he is president. Obama couldn't answer Jim Leher's question about how he would be able to provide all the programs he has been promising under the current financial restraints. He did some of his stuttering on this question. Obama doesn't want to let the voters know before the election that he has been making empty promises. Yes, expenditures do matter. Anyone who has ran a budget and kept it in balance knows revenue has to at least equal expenditures to break even. Apparently Obama hasn't considered keeping a balanced budget. Obama's tax breaks will only benefit people making less than $40,000 per year and the increase rate in capital gains will hurt many seniors and it will not increase tax revenues. Obama has told a few of his Whoppers out on the campaign trail and people should beware of what they believe when they listen to Obama.

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Fufrank — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:58:01 GMT

Obama looked and acted the part of a Muslin Lawn Jockey

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Kyila Sninsky — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:02:17 GMT

...and what I heard tonight was the same, old scare tactics that we heard from George Bush four years ago - if we DON'T vote for McCain we'll be invaded or whatever. Are we safer? NO. Will this war EVER end? NO. No one is saying pull out immediately, but when our own soldiers are shooting themselves in the foot so they don't have to go back to an insane war, we shouldn't rely on the traditional "presidential profile." We need intelligence!

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alanjyu — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:11:07 GMT

John McCain was very focused on attacking Obama. It was very clear that McCain was aggressive and was in control of the debate. If the success of a debate is about who can deliver the most cutting remarks against the opponent, then you can argue that McCain won the debate.

Obama was not focused on attacking John McCain and linking him to President Bush. He didn't need to. He was focused on trying to communicate his national security and economic plans to the public and trying to differentiate himself from McCain. I thought Barack effectively acknowledged that there were points McCain and he agreed on before proceeding to articulate the differences. Obama did a very good job of articulating his views on foreign policy and demonstrated that he knew just as much if not more than John McCain. He appeared to be more presidential and a better communicator than McCain. He demonstrated that he would be a good bipartisan leader and got people to better understand who he is. He significantly improved his likability among undecided voters. Barack convinced people that he is a real leader with a vision. That is the real victory for Obama.

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robk64 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:12:51 GMT

I guess I should be surprised when I read comments suggesting that the Repubican Party is as responsible for global warming and hurricanes as they are the war in Iraq. I support the flower people and free love movement, but I'd ask that these people sober up before posting comments. The cause of global warming is still open for debate, and if it can be traced to the Great Evil American Empire, does anyone really think all of the damage was done in the last 8 years? What about the previous 8 years?

I've met Barack Obama when he visited Afghanistan. The cameras were allowed. I received a Senator's Coin just for showing up. It was supposed to be a question and answer session, but Obama was running late. It became a handshaking photo-op with troops. I'm here to tell everyone that he really has no idea how we conduct operations in the war zone. And to the credit of the Generals and Colonels present, they tried to explain it to him.

Hussein Obama is polished, well-read, and likeable on the surface. But I would caution the American people to not let their hatred for Bush be the only reason they vote for Obama. Bush isn't running. I'm disappointed the Republican Party couldn't have found someone a little younger and more challenging, as well as a more experienced VP, but given the options, I'd prefer to vote for a team without a hidden agenda. Do you really think Obama has been open about his intentions and aspirations? Think again. You're probably the same people that think Putin is no longer in charge of Russia, or that the Iranian president is on the defensive. And why does the media have to refer to McCain's tactics as "tricks?" I seem to remember a President that escaped jail time with the brilliant statement: Define "IS." That was the best trick anyone alive for the last 20 years has ever seen.

Wake up and smell the coffee?

Wake up and save the country!

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syto — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:13:11 GMT

USA wants a True Blooded American to be a President! Whatever happens in the debates are not important, it is only a showmanship.We want a real President for our Country, none other except /accept McCain!

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zyxt — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:16:14 GMT

So Andrew Romano, you think McCain won the debate by refuseing to acknowledge his opponant, talking down to him and not showing repect, insulting him at every turn, not being "presidential" at all, not actually answering many if not most the questions put forth straightforwardly, not telling the truth, etc.??? His demeanor and evasiveness belied what we could expect from him if elected, and it isn't pretty. Sure some in his own party would have liked what they heard (perhaps you 'ole young one?), but the rest of the country will know that we would be in for a really bad time if he and his lobbyist took over the white house.

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ted_hu — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:18:16 GMT

nm right-wing sentimental ramblings. brain-dead poor folks suckered to prop up the not so poor. following the money. 25% of mccain's tax cuts to to families making more than $2.8 million.

forget the talk. know the green. which bracket are you?

……………… MCCAIN …………. OBAMA

Income ……. Avg tax bill ……. Avg. tax bill

Over $2.9M …. -$269,364 (-4.4%)… +$701,885 (+11.5%)

$603K and up…. -$45,361 (-3.4%)… +$115,974 (+8.7%)

$227K-$603K…… -$7,871 (-3.1%)…….. +$12 (+0.0%)

$161K-$227K…… -$4,380 (-3.0%)….. -$2,789 (-1.9%)

$112K-$161K…… -$2,614 (-2.5%)….. -$2,204 (-2.1%)

$66K-$112K …… -$1,009 (-1.4%)….. -$1,290 (-1.8%)

$38K-$66K …….. -$319 (-0.7%)….. -$1,042 (-2.4%)

$19K-$38K …….. -$113 (-0.5%)……. -$892 (-3.6%)

Under $19K ……… -$19 (-0.2%)……. -$567 (-5.5%)

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/?postversion=2008061113

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RRAI — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:18:59 GMT

It's obvious listening to McCain that he makes his decisions based more on "gut feeling" and emotion rather than on introspective analysis. We've seen the results that this kind of decision-making process leads to with Bush. We need an intellectual as President, someone who is a critical thinker and curious about the world and not caught up in idealogy. Obama clearly has the upper hand in this regard.

Everybody says McCain is so strong in foreign policy, but I don't see the main difference in that regard between him and Bush. I couldn't believe that in the debate McCain would not even acknowledge that America's standing in the world had deteriorated since the Iraq invasion - and that the hatred that exists around the world for us constitutes a threat in and of itself. I have lived in three countries (and not muslim ones) in the past few years, and this is definitely a problem. McCain, like Bush, is completely oblivious to this reality. I find that troublesome.

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a180714 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:19:41 GMT

Obama is overly focused on trying to link MCain to Bush and trying to force all foreign policy issues through the Iraq War lens. Why? Because Bush and the Iraq War are unpopular. However, let's not forget the history of Iraq. In 2003 virtually ALL intelligence agencies for all countries believed that Iraq had WMD. After Saddam was captured, he himself admitted that he had misled his own people and the world about WMD so he could appear tougher. Saddam started two wars. Saddam committed genocide in his own country. Most Iraqis were happy to get rid of him. Let's not lose sight of all these facts. In case anyone forgets, before the war, the US Congress passed a bill authorizing force in Iraq, and by an overwhelming margin. Then the war bogged down, and became unpopular, and fickle politicians said they were now against the war. In 2003, Obama would have been among the small liberal minority who opposed the war even believing that Saddam DID have WMD. I say if Iraq continues on its current path and becomes a prosperous democracy and ally in the Middle East that Americans will once again have made the world a safer and better place to live, for us and others.

Look beyond the recent words of the candidates and look at actual track records, and I think McCain is clearly the better candidate on most issues.

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haffaja — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:22:11 GMT

Wow - John McCain was clearly the winner on this one! Obama was on the defensive on every question when McCain responded.

Some have said that McCain was "condescending" because he didn't look at Obama. But you have to remember that compared to the experience of John McCain, Barack Obama is just a little kid wanting something he has not earned. If John McCain had looked directly at Obama, the same people would have really complained about lecturing and condescension. This was a brilliant tactic. Experience vs inexperience was the obvious difference in this debate.

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obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:22:26 GMT

To BaldEagle (5:30 am): "THAT'S how bad they want to win...at the cost of advancing women's rights at the highest level of gvernment."

Are you KIDDING me. Just perpetuating the lies and spin, or...do you actually believe that?

Take a good first look at Palin's idea of (no) women's rights, and you might want to take back YOUR gaffe. Or many...

Again, see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp "The senator himself said that 'My grandfather taught me when I was 2. During the Pledge of Allegiance, you put your hand over your heart. During the national anthem, you sing.'"

And as far as the ridiculous Muslim thing (as if that should be a relevant argument anyway, since we already have two Muslim congressmen - *gasp*!), please see http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp One more thing, stop with the fear/hatemongering. That shady tactic, coming from the Bush Admin. starting in late 2001, (and still espoused by McSame last night) has clearly embroiled us all in quite the quagmire.

P.S. Did you actually fall for his "pass this $700 billion unrestricted bailout NOW so we can save the economy - or else!" speech the other night? Talk about doom and gloom! He's the king!

Please (I seem to be using that term a lot here. Hmmm, well at least I'm polite about it) stop using the disingenuous "My fellow Americans..." You sound just like a certain disingenuous John "My Friends" McCain.

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ice_ice_baby14_00 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:26:32 GMT

I watched the Debate, and yes it shows the McCain has more experience debating, but then again he has run for president more than once. (which should tell you something) My only question to many of you who bash Obama because of his "radical ideas" and Muslim heritage, why do we keep electing leaders who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and who favor policies that benifit the life style they have been accustom to? I want someone who knows what it is like to struggle, I want someone who has risen to his place, and I want someone who listens to the people! McCain is riding a dead horse, his ideas almost mirror the ones currently in place, which obviously arent working, and he favors idead that only fix the short term problems. Yes He has military experience, and I hold that in high regaurds, but he favors Military action over diplomacy! I am so tired of the world hating us! I am tired of our country's miss guided ideas that destroying a country is going to gain us admeration! I want a leader who understands that in order to restore the global economy and stability it takes more than treats of military action it takes words and communication! And as far as Obamas ability to make tough decisions I think just like any leader he understands that his actions effect people, but at least he thinks about the people who dont have the money to buy a vote.

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Rudy1234 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:27:36 GMT

Would you give Obama the power to protect your family and the country? You have to be joking in even posing the question.

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tippology1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:29:53 GMT

I am voting for McCain but I dont think it matters a whole lot due to these factors. Obama has the media, and a slew of young voters in his pocket. Obama has people who cant see pass revenge toward George W, and Obama has convince the voting block he is different, when in fact he is not. I think McCain performance shows how experience and poised he is when answers has to be spoken, yet Obama gets the credit. This election is so one sided, so shamefully viewed by the american people that its not even funny. I can't come to believe how 2yrs in the senate can compete let alone be more to vote for then 26 yrs in the senate, 5 yrs in prison, another 20yrs serving our great country, and an track record in serving the citizens of this great land. People want see history but what price will it take. Obama has shown no leadership, no character, no skillful talent when it comes to policy making, a personal pass that is questionable to all of us and a history of working with folks who break the law and this political leader will be our next president. What in the Hell is people thinking? I think we should get off our Asses and look at what will make our country strong, not what will make our country diverse. Vote on experience and not on a trend of what is cool now, because we will pay dearly down the road, mark my word

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Morgan2008 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:30:05 GMT

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pissedintheus — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:32:11 GMT

To me Obama seems far more intalectual than Mcain. Maybe he doesnt have the experiance Mcain does, but I think its time to elect someone with a great mind to help think us out of this mess. Mcain seems too robotic in his movements and at times just plain strange looking. And if something should happen to the old man, Palin as president? God help us all!!

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BaldEagle — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:35:12 GMT

I am an independent voter. I consider myself well educated and awake to "the process" and the humility it takes to guide our country out of the mess it is in and into a future as great as she can be.

I believe we need to elect a president that is not only experiencially qualified, but most importantly, loves this country above all else but almighty God. I am absolutely convinced Obama does not love America nearly as much as he loves himself!

McCain has proven (to me) his great love of country, not by wearing a lapel pin because it is a "good political move" or by "verbally" denouncing lifelong extreme radical friends for political expediency, but by his great personal sacrifice in a time of war and his hitherto dedication to the American political process of which he has served for more than 2 decades following a brilliant military career.

American women should be especially proud of his decision to select Gov Sarah Palin as his running mate...continuing the possibilities for the advancement of women in the political process nearly slammed shut by Obama's decision to overlook Mrs. Clinton, who received 18 million, I said 18 million votes..assuring an election victory had he chosen her as his running mate.

My fellow Americans, especially women, are you prepared to vote for a man who has, in effect, said we need to continue the "good old boy" mentality of keeping women out of the two highest elected offices in America? Is THAT the message we want to send to our children? I have 4 daughters, and they are dismayed at this, and two of them are of voting age, and Obama lost their vote when he told Hillary, in essence, to go home and "do the dishes." He should be ashamed! And you should tell him so by voting for McCain/Palin!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

DebbieEMS — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:37:22 GMT

Yes it does matter who wins the Election. We have a choice for our Country to "Change" for the better. And I soly believe McCain can and will stand by his word. However I soley believe if Obama gets in the Oval office we all are screwed, I don't care what color you are. I don't think Obama would have made it as far as he did if a lot of young kids of all race is old enough to vote, those kids (Just old enough to vote) really don't realize what is going on in our Country. Is it that some of the people want to see a black man finally in the office? You better think what this man will reverse on our Country after he takes the President Election (If he does). We need our troops home where they belong. Bush has not accomplished hardley nothing from this contined war! And it will even get worse if Obama gets in there. How can a person really vote Obama in when his wife states "This is the first time she ever liked the United States"? As I have posted before on a blackman speaking the truth and he is right. Myself I would have not even voted for Hillary and I am from Arkansas. We are not ready for a woman President. Obama was my choice until I really did some research and there is noway I will vote for him now...maybe a lot of others REALLY need to do the same as I did. Don't make the mistake. Obama don't know much about our Country and your vote counts. Don't kick yourself in the butt in January or the next year and ask why is this happening. I don't care for McCain that much but I do believe he will stick to his words and try his best to stop the War and make the price of gas go down among many things that really matter.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

derek23 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:38:04 GMT

McCain didn't say anything that showed that we were going to be moving in a new direction. Everything he wants to do will resemble the past and it is painfully obvious that that will not work. This is about what's best for the people, the majority, the working class that supports this country. When the working/middle class is viable this country thrives. Bush Jr. came into office with a surplus and that is gone. During his time in office we have lived through the worst terrorist attack in the history of this country, the worst natural disaster in the history of this country, the worst economic catastrophe of this country and the kicker is, it happen on the watch of the people who talk about fear the most. The republicans, who care more about sacrificing the many for the few. It's time we start to change things at home and put the people, this country, education, health care, social security, and the economy first. End the war, enough of our young have died. It's time to move on, and move forward. Obama! And for the record, McCains attitude was disrespectful and deplorable and an indication that he is not ready to be President. Obama!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Rocky2001 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:38:34 GMT

I actually felt bad for Barry. He was outmatched and it was obvious.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

RRAI — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:43:34 GMT

BaldEagle - your post about Barack and Michelle being virulent racists who would seek to destroy white america is so preposterous that it doesn't even warrant a response, but I couldn't help myself. You sir, are CONSUMED by fear to the point that it crowds out even the slightest bit of logic.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:44:35 GMT

haffaja:

You would probably be on the defensive too (and so would McCain - but with far more impatience, teeth-grinding, and red-faced emotion) if your opponent was slinging lies out to the public about you. You and many others would say "that's a lie". Which is all one can and should do when under such scrutiny. I would like to have seen McCain faced with the same, and his reaction. It would have been the same, defensive. But then Obama would have to stoop to McCain's childish level by spewing crooked lies, and that's just not the way he wants to operate. It's called good behavior. It's called honesty. Something John McCain and Sarah Palin should be schooled in.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

rws315 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:47:10 GMT

Rudy1234 -- yes, I would give Obama the power to protect my family and the country. He has the restraint, thoughtfulness and the ability to listen to make a good commander in chief.

The joke would be to have an angry, reckless old man who sides on aggression who's ready to gamble with our safety as president.

Or worse, Sarah Palin. Now there's a joke.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

joyrenee2004 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:49:13 GMT

To obamasformidablewin, I am so tired of hearing about the "silver spoon" that McCain was born with, along with every other president. McCain was born to a military father...where is the wealth in that? Are Americans who bust their butts getting an education and making smart decisions with their money criminals? Why is it that Americans expect the people who made smart decisions and reap the advantage of their decisions, support those who chose to live paycheck to paycheck and let the government pick up the slack? I am so tired of the government supporting lazy people who spend their money on cigarettes and beer and penalize the people who bust their butts by taxing them to death. Americans need to learn to be accountable for themselves and more self reliant. Obama wants the opposite.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

totbs2009 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:51:29 GMT

I am glad McCain "won". Perhaps now his campaign will stop stumping against intelligence and leave the elitism argument at the door. To Mr. Romano's credit, he did ask if will matter and I must say "no". McCain used alot of beltway terms that flew over the head of most of us regular citizens. To Mr. Romano's discredit, I don't believe the minutes of McCain's inane rambling while trying to switch gears constitute the makings of a debate winner.

In short, I believe the winner is who Americans ultimately vote for in November. I must say that based on the non-scientific polls conducted by various netowrks, Obama seems to be ahead.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

sandi1960 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:51:53 GMT

First on CNN and MSNBC, Obama supporters watch those networks, of course Obama would win. I watched MSNBC once by accident and caught the tingle up my leg comment, and changed channles. I stopped watching CNN during Huricanne Kateria, I lived there at the time and knew they were too busy bashing Bush to tell the real story how our state and local governments where who really dropped the ball.

But about debate, I watched it with my college aged daughter who was a Hillary supporter, now undecided. I too was a Hillary supporter, but after Obama was nominated, I went to his site and McCain's and read through both's Playbooks.

As a small business owner who files as an individual due to high corporate taxes, I will get hard with Obama's tax plan (actually the story no one is reporting is the number of small business who file like I do and who will be laying off employees right and left if Obama wins). Obama wants to raise corporate taxes to the highest in the world, it's a no win tax sysem for us evil businesses.

I do not like Obama's approach to national health care, I have family in countries with national health care, there is nothing good about it. We just all end up with crappy medical care. I also had a problem with Obama's ability to pay for the everything for everyone. And there is the reality, his plans indicate really growing the federal government. I have not seen alot of instances when the government does things all that great. It even looks like he plans on expanding the role of local schools into the federal government.

I found Obama weak and surprised that he was so willing to bomb one of our allies so easily (Pakistan). McCain won in my opinion, but I wish he had brought out the ACORN/Bailout/Obama issues.

My daughter surprised me, she left Obama really did not sound like he was ready. I expected her to think Obama won, but she didn't. In fact she said she was voting for McCain. She said she left like she could "trust him to do what is right". She really liked him saying he would freeze federal spending.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

MuseOn — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:51:57 GMT

I was extremely surprised to see the headline "Why McCain won"!?? On Newsweek!??

I never read "Obama sounded condescending" or "arrogant" or "showed his lack of experience" in articles, or anything that could be evoking negative emotions - he is just someone who is a "victim of the trickster" in the other, if he doesn´t "win brilliantly".

Ref: "Damn liberal media, always out to ge--oh, wait. Never mind."

- I think you´re right on track, with bias reporting. Politics as usual. A play with words, only. Still, the intention is pretty clear. But still; refreshing headline - McCain must have done VERY well, to have that printed on Newsweek.com!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

joyrenee2004 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:54:41 GMT

rws315 , I would absolutely vote for Palin. She is the farthest thing from "typical Washington" then any other politician. Just because she is decisive in her opinions, such as abortion, she has adamently stated that she believes those issues were better left with the States, not the Federal Government. Obama is scared to make direct opinions on such sticky issues. Palin has my vote.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Cameo — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:55:34 GMT

I watched the debate and I can't believe they are saying McCain won...McCain kept going back to old times and even back to the vietnam war...This is the 21st century...We need action that fits today and not 50 years ago...Things need to change and I just can't see that he represents that at all...He talked about his 30 year record...most of which didn't work....Surely people see we need something new in Washington...I am sure McCain is a nice man and I am sorry the spent time in a war camp, but for heaven sakes everything can't be won by war and we do need someone who is willing to openly discuss options other than war...I am 68 years old and I to have seen alot and I want my g-children to be able to work and excel with education and if you freeze everything how will this ever happen...Obama is willing to find ways for people to work like the highway infastructure or alternative fuels for our homes and cars that will bring new jobs to this country....I am just so frustrated to see a headline that McCain won....The MSN pole on this site with millions of people (not the 2000 they pole in other poles) say that Obama won...Do the real people not count of just the news people and politicians who what to keep their jobs or be re-elected.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

BaldEagle — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:56:50 GMT

On the contrary, RRAI, it is not fear that guides me, it is a clear recognition of the history of their lives, their associations, their attitudes and their expressions via verbosity and body language that cannot be disputed...only manipulated and justified by their managers to achieve their own ends and by those who have bought into this "great black hope" for America theme!

I sir/ma'am, will not be duped nor manipulated by this. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

By the way, I notice you have mastered "the Obama technique" in that you added the word "virulent" to my message, and "destroy" among other caviats to cloud the truth of what I said. Investigate the truth of thier essence, if you dare!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

mimie — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:57:56 GMT

I think Newsweek is wrong by saing Mccain won. Mccain attacked Obama a lot by telling lies, wich Obama had to clear over and over again. I feel sorry for the USA (i am from Europe) if the majority of its citizens are not smart enough to see that Mccain is a liar and is not afraid to use lies only to hopefully win a debate. Wich according to Newsweek he has based on lies?? I mean that is so stupid. Mccain repeated nonsense everytime and the only one who was constantly telling the truth was Obama. So i would say Obama for President!!!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:59:09 GMT

BaldEagle: "My fellow Americans, especially women, are you prepared to vote for a man who has, in effect, said we need to continue the "good old boy" mentality of keeping women out of the two highest elected offices in America? ...he told Hillary, in essence, to go home and 'do the dishes.'"

What in the world are you talking about now? Give us the source of this far-fetched comment, please.

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mimie — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:00:04 GMT

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

a180714 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:00:41 GMT

I am sick and tired of people saying that McCain will give big tax breaks to the wealthy. McCain is NOT changing any tax rates for individuals. He would double the exemption for dependents, regardless of income, and lower the corporate tax rate. That's it.

Maybe it's the corporate tax rate that people are talking about. The US tax rate on businesses is 35%, now the second highest among all OECD countries worldwide. Other countries have dropped their tax rates since the 1990's while the US has not. This is NOT the way to attract or keep jobs in the US!!

This is NOT about getting 'greedy' corporations to pay their 'fair share,' it is about attracting and keeping companies here in the US. The examples around the world, and also between US states, paint a very clear picture. Those countries and states which have low tax RATES generate more jobs and higher incomes, and usually higher tax COLLECTIONS, as well. There is plenty of evidence for all this and it's undeniable by anyone who is not blinded by class envy. We really need to get past the class warfare rhetoric. Raising tax rates on the wealthy or corporations hurts Joe Lunch Bucket as well. Remember the luxury tax of the 1990's? Rich people just stopped buying yachts, but it was Joe Lunch Bucket who lost his job. Let's work for prosperity for all and expanding the economic pie instead of arguing over who gets how big of a slice.

Ask yourself what has made America the most prosperous nation in the world compared to where it was 200 years ago. (hint: it was not high taxes and high government regulations)

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

sandi1960 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:02:26 GMT

A postnote, I can tell which station some of the posters watched the debate on which stations, That;s kind of funny. Alot of the posts are repeating the words of various ommentaries. One line is a direct quote from one of the networks!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Carly127inNJ — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:04:49 GMT

McCain = Statesman

Obama = Political Science Professor

McCain = Leader of Action

Obama = Ponderer of Action

McCain = Man of Humility

Obama = Man of Arrogance

McCain = Service To The Country

Obama = Service To Self

McCain = As POTUS will bring the US out of this Crises

Obama = Demise of the USA

VICTORY FOR McCain/Palin08 for REFORM, PEACE and PROSPERITY

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

dumondgreg@hotmail.com — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:05:12 GMT

I think that the newsweek is very liberial along with all the media in this country. This is why they like McCain another leader for the rich. Maybe the middle class people should buy cartoon magazines and support the catoon network. See how long they report in favor of.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

samhyde — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:07:17 GMT

i dont think there was a clear winner honestly. I think McCain didn't do anything horrible (heard most of the debate on the radio so didn't really see body language) and while i agreed mostly with what Obama was saying, he didn't deliver any knockouts. They both held their own. What sticks with me though is the end, when Obama mentioned that we need to repair our relationship with the world... Everyone read "Three Cups of Tea" and then tell me whether we need to be engaging in more wars and dropping bombs on our enemies to make our country safer or whether we should be promoting education and diplomacy and show the world that we are to be respected as the best nation in the world, not just feared as the most powerful. Obama has that foresight. McCain does not.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

dro0724 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:07:42 GMT

I beleive the winner of this debate lies in the minds of each voter. Obama was clearly the winner. McCain's answers were unconvincing and shady, he could not even look at his opponet. This debate asked the same question we all have been hearing for sometime, with some defensive responses. I don't beleive it has changed anyones mind concerning their future vote. Obama is ready to change the irresponsiblities of our present leaders, and Mccain, will just continue to take the same path.

My confusion is; what eles do voters need to know? The answer is wrriten on the wall. Change Obama or The Same with McCain.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

NationTraveler — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:11:15 GMT

What is wrong with you people? What do you want? The government to pay your bills for you, and god forbid they give the rich tax breaks (I mean the top 2% pays 90% of the taxes anyway...oh yeah and they give lazy folks like yourselves JOBS)

We want FREE healthcare! Talk to people in England and see how poor the health care is when the government pays you, your better off seeing a vet. McCain will win because America is the Land of Opportunity and I believe that there are enough of us to prevail.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

mimie — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:11:40 GMT

PS: Mccain promised a lot. He said for example: i love the veterans and i promise i will take care off them. But he wouldnt menton how. But prior to this Obama said that he wanted to invest in healthcare and that he had spoken to veterans who needed healtcare because of traumas etc, but didn't get any. And Mccain has said on the debate that he is not for putting more money in healthcare or that he didn't agree on the plans of Obama for Healtcare. And those plans of Obama will benefit the veterans as well. So my question is how can Mccain say that he will take care of the veterans if he is not willing to make healtcare better for them. My point is that it seems like Mccain seems the be the winner for some (like Newsweek) based on empty promises. If you promise something tell us how you are going to keep it and where you are willing to invest. Because the veterans wont have nothing if it comes to only Mccains love, but when it comes to deeds, he will bail out just like Bush. I think he is a liar who will only want to win and then for most part he will handle everything just like Bush did for 8 years. And the USA will regret having chosen the wrong president AGAIN.

When Mccain mentioned that he didn't think that talking with the enemy (like Iran) was smart. Since when is talking not the best thing to do. We can all see what the tactic of Bush that Mccain preferres doesnt work (not talking but acting before they can hit you). Mccain can say what he wants, but fact is that Bush only went to Irak because of the oil there. And i bet you that when Irak isnt interesting anymore the republicans will leave it asap without thinking off how they are leaving it. The war in Irak was for 1 reason only. Talking to Iran is the smartest thing to do, and if that doesnt work and there is a real treat. not one like Irak (based on lies), than the targets of Iran have the right to defend their countries. But not the other way around.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

REALITY CHECK — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:12:41 GMT

The real problem with the "Bailout" is that it's a Democratic designed plan, with Bush's reluctant approval, where the Congressional Republicans were excluded from participating, and now the Dems want them to "just go along". If this $700 Billion plan (that almost $10,000 per family of four) goes through and Obama is elected, the first thing they'll do is say "now that we control these mortgages, let's find a way for these poor people (who shouldn't have bought a home in the first place), to stay in their homes - at taxpayer expense". If the Dems really want this plan, they can force it through since they control both houses - they can just over-ride the Republicans, just like they've been doing. McCain and the Republicans want a plan of insurance and tax incentives that will leave the stupid lenders and Wall Street on the hook for the actual final cost of this mess - where it should be, but Obama wants the taxpayer to foot the bill and set up a huge government bureaucracy (probably like Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac that got us into this mess in the first place with easy qualifying standards) to "oversee" it. There's a good reason that the Democratic Chairmen of the Oversight Committees - Chris "Countrywide" Dodd and Barney Frank, and also Obama, received huge contributions from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - They're part of the problem, not the solution. The Republicans plan should be factored into the discussions to protect the taxpayers.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

dgsanchez — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:13:42 GMT

McCain knows how to debate,he clearly won as a lier. To win a debate you must know how to debate, saying the Truth!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

TMA1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:14:38 GMT

McCain won - that is if experience, composure and character mean anything to you.

Obama - he talks big and has good oratory skills.

I find it very hypocritical for people to label McCain a liar as if Obama is an angel. Obama is a media propped thug. Stop listening to the way he talks and start listening to what he says. His words are empty and rehearsed. He backpeddles like Michael Jackson moonwalks.

Please step away from the media - it is totally biased. Don't 'let the media think for you!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

dawnbc1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:18:01 GMT

McCain could have stood on his head and juggled for 90 min. I'll still be voting for Obama. He has more integrity and intelligence.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

sandi1960 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:20:25 GMT

Posted By: ted_hu (September 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM)

nm right-wing sentimental ramblings. brain-dead poor folks suckered to prop up the not so poor. following the money. 25% of mccain's tax cuts to to families making more than $2.8 million.

forget the talk. know the green. which bracket are you?

……………… MCCAIN …………. OBAMA

Income ……. Avg tax bill ……. Avg. tax bill

Over $2.9M …. -$269,364 (-4.4%)… +$701,885 (+11.5%)

$603K and up…. -$45,361 (-3.4%)… +$115,974 (+8.7%)

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Ok, look at that good because I fall into one of those, but guess what, I am a small business. Can you do the math and see how many employees I will be laying off if Obama is elected?

Do you understand small businesses employ 70% of Americans? Do you understand most of us file as individuals because US corporate taxes are so high?

Here is that trinkle up thing, I lay off people, they drop to the bottom, less taxes coming in, but more people on welfare, less money to hand out. This isn't about who gives the best speech, this is about whose policies are best for ALL americans.

Now after we lose jobs from the taxation of small businesses. Obama will raise the corporate taxes to 50%, making them the most expensive ones in the world. Now if your a business and have OPTIONS, why stay in the US? They can go to Ireland where corporate taxes are 11%. Businesses do not take jobs out of the US because they want to, its because the US government forces them to.

Ok, now we have even higher unemployment, less taxes, and now there is no money for all the freebies Obama is promising, but I bet he still manages to find the billions for the Global Poverty ACT - which simply hands the UN hundreds of billions of our tax dollars for the UN to decide who gets it.

If you want a worse economy, go ahead and vote for Obama. Instead of listening to talking points, why don't you actually get all the facts and make an tuly educated voting decision.

God save us from groupie voters.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

chinushah — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:22:02 GMT

It does not matter who has won this debate. Need to see as an overall team. Between Sarah and Biden, Sarah is not even close to Biden's experience. Sarah's only foreign experience -SHE CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM HER BACKYARD ! I could see the moon from my porch, that does not qualify me for an ASTRONAUT!

I wonder if she appears for SAT test what will be her score?

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virgo1966 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:22:45 GMT

Boy was I surprised to read "McCain won". Bkut, I guess I shouldn't have been.

If you were watching the same debate I was, then that conclusion should have never been drawn. I give McCain credit for one thing. "he showed up". The debate was all in Obama's favor. McCain never really went in depth on any issues, (as usual), but merely talked about his past, and his past accomplishments, and his "experience". He never once looked at his opponent, was not very eager about shaking his hand, and his strong argument was, " I love my veterans, and I love my country". Well so do I,.........but I guarantee you would not want me as president. Obama so far has cleary out spoken, out done and just plain out classed his opponent so far on every issue involving the next presidency, from dealing with the war, dealing with the current threats toward our country, dealing with the economy, dealing with plain everyday people, to just plain looking like a presidential figure. To get to the bottom line,..... everyone knows that with all the problems facing us as a nation today, Obama's views and political stand points are closer to accurate for what this nation needs, however there are those that will sacrifice the good of our nation and what is obviously right (in so many ways), for the plain simple fact that they dont want "change" (and you all know what i mean) in the White house.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

45phil — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:22:53 GMT

My biggest problem is the fact that Obama never did answer the first question. Does he approve of the bailout ?! Obama and Biden have both distanced them selves from this potential disaster. Apparently Obama does not have faith in this bailout - yet he tries to imply that McCain is the one who is mcuking up the deal. I like Obama - I just wish he would be a little more pro-acxtive instead of waiting to see what everyone else is going to say or do.

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cowboysfan1958 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:24:11 GMT

I am not sure what debate the writer of this colume was watching! Obama clearly won and it was on MCCain's supposed strenght, Foriegn Policy. This reminds me of the Bush debates. The bar is set so low for the Republican candidate that if they just keep from falling off the stage they win!

Well some of us voters look at substance instead of listening to OLD war stories and OLD policy talking points.

Obama won and gained this independant voter's support

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mimie — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:25:04 GMT

But the problem is that Mccain didn't even win buy not standing on his head: dawnbc1.

He used words that were based on lies. And if you need to use lies so that it appears as if you were stronger. Than what will he do as a president. Good thing about Obama is he answered most questions by not attacking Mccain but really adressing what he would do if he became president. Thats what people need to hear. Mccain mostly said what he wouldn't do and that is what he knows Obama will do. He was attacking Obama all the time when he needed to answer a question. Problem is that after this debate we still don't really know what Mccains plans are, but what he is not planning to do.

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sandi1960 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:31:29 GMT

Posted By: REALITY CHECK (September 27, 2008 at 7:12 AM)

The real problem with the "Bailout" is that it's a Democratic designed plan

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What is really disgusting about the Dem plans is they are giving away billions to ACORN, Obama's community organization - that has been convicted of voter fraud, as well as embezzlement of previously given federal money. Heck the dems gave ACORN billions just this summer - AFTER the Ny Times reported the ACORN embezzlement.

Can we have a law that says proven corrupt non-profits do NOT get any of our taxpayers???

That was the walk away point for the republicans.

How dare the democrats make this bill a cchristmas tree - and we are suppose to trust the very lso called leaders who took the most company from these companies to come up with a plan???

What was Reid thinking when he put Dobbs in charge of this???

In case anyone wonders, ACORN created the "NO DOWN PAYMENT" mortgages, which a year from now we will hear was one of the reasons we are now facing this crisiises and the dems want to reward them. Geez

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wsvstewart — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:33:54 GMT

It is obvious who the writer will be voting for in this election. I can read anything from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and predict what they will say before they say it. It was a great marketing headline to capture readers attention but predictable in its contents.

For your readers remember Ahmadinejad (Irainian President), who has said Israel should be wiped off the map !! No, I am not Jewish but I do remember reading Hitlers Mein Kemp and the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and it is clear that France and Britian had the same policy as Obama and that was to sit down with Hitler with no pre-conditions in their attempts to avoid war. The media, even back then had the same agenda as it does now as they made Hitler out as having the real agenda for peace. If you read Hitlers actual "writings" he was applauding the media for helping him to carry out his murderous plans and thanked Britain and France for their great show of weakness allowing him to set in motion the killing of anyone who was not of the great white arian society.

Now you have Obama thinking its a new idea to sit down at the table with murderers and thugs with no pre-conditions. Millions had to die in World War II because of the weakness of France and Great Briton and Americans saying "Its not our war"! Sound Familiar? Hitler used the excuse that the Chech's were harming German Citizen's who lived in said country. Russia invaded Georgia saying that they had to protect Russian citizens. Ahmadinejad should be in prison and Obama wants to treat him like a world leader.

Obama is not ready to lead he doesn't even know his history. He is actually worried about what the world opinion regarding America? When you are a leader get ready for ridicule, jealousy and a miriad of other world agenda's and politics trying to undermine public opinion. Instead do what is right. Stand by what is right. THANK YOU SARAH PALIN

The irony is that the news media is the last place to go for facts, It holds a power so great that it can vote a president, cause a war, stop a war, divide a country and create or turn public opinion. What is sad is instead of utilizing these powers for righteousness those who own these networks rally in their power, money and control and actually look down upon its own followers as having below average intelligence.

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obamasformidablewin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:34:13 GMT

Carly127inNJ--Amazing how people can be of polar opposite opinion! Isn't that what is beautiful about the great human race?!

Obama = Statesman, Professional, Courteous, Intelligent

McCain = Political Science Professor wannabe, graduated 894th in a class of 899

Obama = Leader of Action, Leader of Change

McCain = Likes to reminisce about past actions, "back in..."

Obama = Man of Humility

McCain = Man of Arrogance, Impatience, Bad Temper, Impulsiveness, Tendency to name newest former beauty queens in his life "soul mate"

Obama = Service To The Betterment of Our Beloved Country

McCain = Service To Self and the country's other millionaires (including corporate execs)

Obama = As POTUS will bring the US out of this Crises and will heal our tarnished relationship with the rest of the world

McCain = Demise of the USA

VICTORY FOR Obama/Biden '08 for REFORM, PEACE and PROSPERITY

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:35:34 GMT

To derek23 - No, No, No, You want to vote for the Socialst, or Socialist Workers Party - there 2 now.

Or the Green, Libertarian, Constitustial - Gee, my friend - you really don't seem - well, let your consious be your guide!

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imrfc2008 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:35:44 GMT

It was clearly demonstrated in John McCain’s behavior in the Mississippi debate that he wants to WIN THE PRESIDENCY more than BE PRESIDENT. McCain is ALL MILITARY – and for the military it is all about WINNING and NOT GOVERNING. Barack Obama needs to be more aggressive in the other upcoming debates against McCain because McCain has no problem LYING if that is what it takes to win, and Obama does NOT need to be seen as constantly having to defend himself against these LIES.

The United States of America is in danger of becoming an AGED NATION like England, France, and Germany, with Russia and China regaining dominance. And having a HUGE MILITARY, which currently uses OVER HALF of our federal tax payer dollars to support, is NOT going to solve the problem. Our infrastructure badly needs to be updated, our children (regardless of ethnicity) are dropping out of high school in record number, and for many of those children who want to go to college can NOT because they can NOT afford college tuition costs. Since the Republicans took control in 2000, many Americans are having to pay more out of their pocket for health care and retirement, but yet we are technically considered to have the most PRODUCTIVE workers in the world. No surprise since most developed nations (and some developing nations) now have the better work benefits than we do.

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vschaefer — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:39:44 GMT

McCain has been in the senate 26 years, Obama 143 days

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markanthis — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:40:33 GMT

I think need to take off those rose colored glasses they are wearing. I'm sorry, Obama failed here badly. I have looked at the polls this morning and was just taken back. There is no way Obama won that debate people. Tooo many yes your right and at times didn't even get his name correct, Joe or Tom. Oh I mean John!! Obama needs to get past the Bush thing, He is running against John McCain and George Bush. Focus on that and then maybe he will be able to go somewhere. However if he doesn't. Obama is giving away his chance of winning. The last 8 years wasn't on McCain's watch. Obama was beaten badly on foreign policy and the economic crisis issues. At times getting schooled so to speak. So those of you who blog they are appauled about the debate going in favor of McCain. Well McCain beat him!! Sorry Folks but he did. Now I don't know who I am going to support.

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Grulg — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:41:13 GMT

Uhhh, I thought McCain was somewhat rude, his reaction shots are priceless SNL fodder, and he keeps clinging to the surge like it's the only thing he's got left from 8 years of Bush. Obama was too respectful (I agree w. McCain etc) but made McCain look Wrong on Iraq esp w/ the 'The war started in 2003 NOT 2007-' etc.

Overall if anything Obama came out looking better. Stumper please Fox News is THAT Way>> get it right next time.

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Alfred1941 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:43:27 GMT

So you are the loser if you respond when a person lies? Seems to me when a person lies they don't look you in the eye when making up facts. It was a tie.

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Grulg — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:44:32 GMT

Andrew-it's a good thing you aren't judging boxing matches. This is the sorta judging that would keep guys like Ali (vs Norton) and Holmes(against Williams etc) the champ w/ a Tie when clearly it was anything But.

McCain looked petulant, he didn't come up w/ anything new here, he if anything looked like he was flailing around for something ANYTHING to hit Obama w/, and it didn't work.

Be sure to enthrall us w/ your 'Palin ran rings around Biden' analysis on the 3rd which I'm sure you've already posted.

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Hadasah — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:47:38 GMT

So much for objective journalism.

I suppose your article was written for folks named Tim Tell Me Anything -

for the magazine entitled The Ttruth Is Irrelevent!

OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY!

Thank you God for giving me my eyes, my ears, my ability to reason and oh yeah a nose sensitive to the 1st stench of ----!

KA Harris

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maxpain — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:50:22 GMT

Obama was the clear victor of this debate. Obama had a answer for every lie and sentence McCain put out. Obama attacked McCain with truth and McCain couldnt help but change the subject. If you didnt realize, Obama frequently called John McCain Tim Or Jim, which i think was a great stragety, Obama's saying that John McCain not even a threat or at that not even a threat hed remember,a little humor couldnt hurt anyone.

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maxpain — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:50:27 GMT

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beach potato — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:51:44 GMT

The cream didnt rise to the top. Neither is presidential material. we are in trouble.

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citizen — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:55:54 GMT

same political spill one was close to real,the other could not use cheat sheet

in class.

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rockingbuddy — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:58:43 GMT

I wasn't impressed with either candidate but would have to say OMABA won. One says he'll spend our money here and the other says he"ll spend our money there. It's all the same, isn't it? Just one old man that could die in next 4 years and one black man that could get killed in the next 4 years.

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wsvstewart — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:59:23 GMT

Obama - Wants to sit down with Ahmadinejad with no preconditions as did France and Britian with Hitler which in Hitlers own words encouraged him to put forth his murderous plans. Go Obama!!

McCain - You don't negotiate with thugs. Boo McCain!

Obama - When given the information that IRAQ had weapons of Mass Distruction which, by the way, they used against their own people and the Turks Obama said he was against the war. Obama - Blames McCain for there being no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Hmmm! The liberals wanted to negotiate with Sadam and so for 12 years we did through the UN. The UN said they had verified thousands of pounds of chemical weapons stock piles in IRAQ! So, where are they now? Way to go liberals for giving Sadam 12 years to hide his weapons of Mass destruction or maybe we should believe Sadam that he destroyed them but he just doesn't know where.

McCain - We need victory in this war against terrorists

Obama - I need victory in this election. Its all about me. Remember Obama 's preacher philosophy "NO not God Bless America but God D--N America. Go Obama!!

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DMC99 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:59:31 GMT

I am shocked that in this world of fair reporting how McCain couldn't even look at Obama in this debate is this real? Or is it bad for McCain to show what he thinks about blacks in the USA! I must take a 5 steps back!

We are in a land of the free who hate is this were we need to be? That is what I felt watching McCain last night and today on all the talk shows inculding FOX!

You think McCain won good for the haters I do not think he won anything except to show how people shouldn't act when the whole county is in trouble and we look for help in someone to help bring this to a head. Conspicuous will talk about this for another week but what we need is leadership

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:01:02 GMT

Of course, McCain won the "debate"! Obama is just a smooth operator, with no grasp of issues.

Just promise everything to everybody - I could do that.

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MuseOn — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:01:23 GMT

...what to say......just;

Missing Hillary.

Best Presidential material I´ve seen and listened to in a long time.....

Go for it, girl - in 2012!

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caraprado — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:02:48 GMT

From:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/anger-entitlement-and-contempt.html

Saturday, September 27, 2008

What A Debate Reveals: Anger, Entitlement and Contempt

What I found shocking reflecting on last night's debate was how angry and entitled McCain was, in a very open way.

McCain's manner was one of that who believed he should not even be on the same stage with this person. This indicates a person of extreme rights and extreme wrongs, not a statesmanlike persona, but an angry and impulsive one.

McCain carries strong ideas of what a liberal is, ideas that very little from his cherished ideas of who betrayed the nation during the Vietnam war. A stock character, driven and created by his own rage, carried, as it has been since the '70s, with a virtual ideological blindness--blinded by a contemptuous rage--that there are others who cannot understand the world the way he can. This is not judgment, but angry certainty. This is not readiness, but a just-contained rage that he should be confronted by such ideas.

You can see it in his constricted "can you believe it" rage at one who disagrees with him. This kind of contemptuous, angry dismissal of others ideas leads easily into the impulsive decisions of the last few months--generated with barely contained contemptuous rejection of those who would reject his ideas--only the most recent forms of those essential constructs--a contemptible media, easily fed with false notions and panaceas, as he believes they were earlier in his life; intellectuals, whose reason and deliberation is contrasted with the sharp, impulsive action that for his life has constituted a certain knowledge, and an angry, certain need to sweep away those who would stand in the path of righteous certainty.

What is beautifully ironic is how McCain maintains this contempt even as he switches from one position to another in the opportunistic second--this is when the look of contempt and entitlement turns, for a moment, to anxiety and panic.

Soon, however, the gaze is back. No matter what the new position is--impulsively determined, desperately grasped--if only "they" knew better. If only "they" knew the truth.

This kind of ideological rigidity and certainty (note how Obama could not contain himself from smiling when McCain attempted to compare him to Bush in that regard) combined with impulsive decision making, from the "gut" of sure knowledge, is what has created the outcomes of the past 8 years.

It was--in a setting where one would not expect it to be, where one would expect McCain to contain it--glaring apparent last night.

This is an amplification of the last 8 years rather than a change.

We do not need to experience this type of decision making again.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/anger-entitlement-and-contempt.html

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vindustries — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:04:19 GMT

Everyone here needs to go back to the post at 7:20am today by sandi1960 and read it carefully. I, too, own a small business and Obama's economic plan is a disaster, particularly at such a delicate time for our economy. When you raise taxes (by quite a bit, mind you) on small businesses, the business owners are going to deflect most, if not all, of the increased expense by laying people off. This is not the time to carelessly throw around talking points that sound good to most Americans (ooh, the rich people are going to pay more!). Unemployment *will* spike up under Obama's plan. He needs to change it in this environment if he wins. It is absolutely laughable that Obama is perceived as the better of the two candidates on the economic front when his plan is going to threaten widespread job loss. The LAST thing you do during a recession is raise taxes...especially on those who are providing the jobs in this country!

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:05:34 GMT

What in the world are you talking about???? John McCain cannot face a black person in the face!

What planet are you living on???

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newsbug — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:06:17 GMT

I think that Obama was the clear winner. He was professional and diligent. McCain is a con-man in my opinion; always interjecting emotion of sort into his comments. Americans are tired of the con game. We want facts, answers to our questions and a plan. Americans are angry. John McCain made a comment about big business paying 35% taxes in the U.S. Like I'm supposed to feel sorry for the big business? I pay 35% taxes on my income!!! Who feels sorry for me? Who is going to bail me out! And where is Palin after the debates - she "declined' the opportunity. She's just another pawn in McCain's con game.

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cani77 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:06:28 GMT

n a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.

I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.

Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years

is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.

The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.

The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".

That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.

It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.

Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.

Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.

No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.

It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be

even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.

If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.

When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.

So why are the polls even close then ?

The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

He believes people will vote against their own interests.

Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

Hold them accountable NOW! while it will still help.

Elect Obama Biden 2008

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ThinkingBeing — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:11:40 GMT

McCain won???? Not by a mile! Same ole rhetoric for the same old policy that hasn't worked yet and isn't going to magically begin to work now. Obama has a great plan for balancing policy to support a strong middle class AND business and he presented it brilliantly. McCain talked about the past alot and his attempts at trying to talk down to Obama backfired miserably. Obama came across as the honorable, world-class person that he is.

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173rdairborne — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:11:54 GMT

I think that Obama exposed McCain as an angry, rude, and frustrated old regime politician. Obama was actually too nice and too respectful of his opponent. McCain's became obviousty annoyed as Obama pointed out to the American people how the senator was wrong about about the war in Iraq, and continued to tie Sen McCain to George W Bush. At the end of the debate, all McCain had left was his 'Earmarks', 'The surge is working', and 'his POW experiences'. I too am an American veteran of the Viet Nam era, and any soldier will tell you that real heros seldom brag about thier service to our country. If McCain loves us (vererans) so much, Why did he fight against the veteran bill that would enhance the lives of our veterans? He may have BEEN a maverick, but I see him as a pandering politician who will say anything to win the oval office. How could you select Sarah Palin if you truly put country first!

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silversylvia — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:12:53 GMT

I watched the debates last night, I am one of those undecided voters, Maybe I didn't understand everything, I am a single mom still after 22 years of being married. I am 50 years old, and still have a minor child at home. I am not in the middle class income, I make around $19,000 a year. I have to pay $250.00 a month for my own insurance out of my monthly income. My wages have not gone up, I don't bring home that much money after my insurance is taken out , besides all the taxes they take out too. Everything has gone up, the necessities that we need to live, food, clothing and shelter. Now they say health insurance is going up. I cannot get help because I make to much money. I am not at the guidelines, for help. So you can call me upper poverty. I work very hard, 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, and wake up in the morning, go to bed at night, wake up in the middle of the night and worry about what I am going to do, Actually, it's making me sick by worrying. Our country can send money to other countries, but if we need help I mean just help cause we can't pay our gas bills, electric bills, we can't get help in the United States. Also we have kids in the United States that has no insurance coverage because like me, they make to much money. But my problem is they can bring kids over here from other countries and pay for their surguries! Don't get me wrong yes I feel sorry for them, but want about the people of the United States of America? I feel they don't care about us. So to get to my point, I listen but one thing stuck in my mind. It just took one comment to make my decision, and I think that could happen to people that are undecided who to vote for, not everything that they talk about. They were talking about Iraq. The thing that stuck in my head was when McCain said how Iraq was doing now, what was accomplished, here it goes, if you can listen again, listen to what he had to say, Iraq's economics are progressing, how can a man running for President of the United States and state that when just this week, President Bush after so many years in the White House tells us that our economy is in danger, I don't get it, the american people arent stupid, it's been in danger before he made that statement. I am not basing my decision on abortion issues, gay right issues, or the war in Iraq. I am basing my decision on the economy and when McCain said what he said about Iraq's economy, how proud he seem to be what the United States has accomplished over there, I just sat there and felt stunned, told my family, did you hear what he said? Then I talked to my friends after that, we all felt appalled by that statement, So sorry McCain, you lost my vote just by that one statement, that's all it took for me. God Bless America!

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:13:06 GMT

To Vindustries: I couldn't agree with you more!

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dan from mosinee — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:13:43 GMT

McBush didn't win diddly. He was stiff and repeated the same talking points over and over like a parrot. He was uncomfortable and seemed out of touch. He wouldn't look Obama in the eye, and seemed especially exasperated when Obama called him out on his total failure to recognize the correct response to 9/11 and other gaffes. I personally don't want a president that is short-sighted and rules out of anger instead of reason. He appeared to be just another puppet bound to repeat the same failed policies that got our country into such a mess.

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:20:19 GMT

To : cani77 - Gee Whiz, I am so happy that Obama understands the economy - or is IT JUST YOU?

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kalamere — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:21:26 GMT

McCain=Real Man Obama=Real Kid

Anrew Romano looks like he's still in high school, Obama looked like he just got out of college.

Why in the world would I listen to them about the safety and future of my children? I have some kids in college and they all think they are smarter than me because they took a couple of political science classes from some dweeb professors who couldn't make it in the real world. John McCain has REAL experience. It's like Good Will Hunting, "You're just a kid, all you can tell me is anything I can read at the library, but you've never experienced it."

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usersuz1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:21:51 GMT

Amazing that you could reach such a conclusion, GIGO. John McCain was shaky, vague and combative. The only things he seemed clear on were military matters, and then his enthusiasm for them was off-putting. He forgets that the majority of the voters want out, not deeper in. He was foggy on his own plans for the future, but kept attacking Obama for no apparent reason. His so-called "jabs" were unsubstantiated by anything other than his say-so; he would state that Obama does not understand ...., and then fail to back it up with any recitation of facts. Too many of his illustrations were from WWII or the VietNam War, times that many Americans have no personal knowledge of. In short, he appeared an ill-tempered old man. Obama on the other hand, was poised, fluent, well-grounded in current fact and policy. Not only did I come away from the debate with a very clear idea of Obama's agenda as president, he seemed to have a good grasp of the state of the world in general. He emphasized educating our children to compete in a world marketplace rather than confronting the world community with cowboy threats and provocations. He understands that the true meeting place of the nations of the world is in trade and development, not force of arms. Yes, McCain made it clear he wants to cut spending - on everything but the military. Holy moly, look out, America!

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sabeen1975 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:22:55 GMT

Are you serious? clearly Obama won hands down. He didn't attack McCain just for the sake of it. At times he even said "John is right". This shows strength of character. While McCain appeared egotistic with his mantra of "Senator Obama doesn't undersatnd". He avoided looking at Obama. Did anyone else noticed this? Obama is right when he said that not having talks with the leaders of countries like Iran is only making the matters worse. Not communicating with countries with whom USA doesn't get along will never solve anything as we have seen. On the subject of War in Iraq Obama makes a lot of sense, six years and billions of dollars later not to mention thousands of lives which were lost, it is time that the troops come back. War never solves anything one of my favorite lines from Echart Tolle book, "A New Earth" is "What you fight strengthen, what you resist persist".

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:25:50 GMT

To silversylvia: You are a fraud!!!

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:29:09 GMT

Yes, guess what? The "debates" don't matter.

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yote78 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:31:52 GMT

I was Hillary supporter and last night's debate proved to me that I was right in thinking that she was and still would be the better candidate for the Democrats. Obama, for reasons which seem to be known only to him and his handlers, simply can't close the deal. It could be aloofness; it could be that he feels he must show added respect for ex-POW McCain and the sacrifices he has made for this country; it could be that when confronted with a face-to-face challenge of his record and his positions, Obama withers under a sub-conscious realization that many of his positions are really pretty weak. If it had been Hillary Clinton up there on the stage last night, she would have thrown it right back at McCain. Obama seems incapable of doing that.

Obama's weakness is demonstrated no better than in his position on Iraq. I was strongly opposed to the Iraq war and I am still convinced that a) it wasn't worth it in the first place and, b) even if a "stable" Iraq is accomplished it will do much less than war supporters claim in the way of stabilizing the Middle East and the rest of the world. Having said that, it was foolish for Obama to say in the debate that we should have never been there in the first place (or words to the effect). That's irrelevant. The reality is that we ARE there and we must look AHEAD to find our way out in a such a way that leaves Iraq in better shape than we arrived. That will take more time--how much time will be determined by how the future unfolds. And, the "surge," helped by other events, has worked. Obama made himself look out-of-touch, partisan and in denial to maintain for so long that it hadn't. Now that he's finally accepted that reality, he's had to publicly admit he was wrong, which makes him look even more foolish.

On the economy, Obama could have very effectively hammered away at McCain on the current situation. But he repeated let McCain take him back to "earmarks," taxes and the like. Obama missed a huge opportunity to make some serious dents in McCain's positions, not to mention the fact of McCain's deep involvement in earlier financial train wrecks (remember the "Keating 5," of which McCain is one of the perps). In this case, Obama should have brought up the past, but he didn't.

Having said all this, however, I'm still voting for Obama. We've had nearly eight years of one disaster after another and it's time for a change. I believe the political realities he will face as president will temper and mature him enough that he will develop into a fine and pragmatic leader of this country. McCain is too set in the past and he would keep this country from becoming the progressive, tolerant country it should be--and then there's Sarah Palin. She alone is enough to keep me from voting for McCain.

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onadeb — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:32:16 GMT

Your right as you have stated of McSame: more effective performer.

As for me, I'm not looking for a ariel artist nor clown not even another boss. We in the United States have enough of those. But I'm looking for a good leader, one who is not afraid to stand up look someone in the eye and lead us forward into an uncertain future. Who knows where it may lead us keeping in mind the carnaige of the past 8+ years we as a ountry are going to have to strighten out. Trying to hold those accountable to the truthts this once great country was founded on, and just how to get it back on track.

Those that have served this country in the military, and those that have given the ultimate gift are TRULY nothing less than great. There have been many, and I have nothing but honor in my heart for these men, as I am one as well. However my past militart record done NOT qualify me to be a leader of the country.

I want a person that can stand up look the entire world in the eye, (how many times during the debate did McSame look Obama in the eye?) And say Bring our boys home from an area they are not wanted nor needed, and give the govenment back to the people, who hold it's leaders accountable, not the leaders holding the people, (Voters) accountable for the mistakes of The banking industry, and past politicians have made.

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Userdags — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:33:29 GMT

As soon as the debate finished last night, I remarked to my wife that I felt Obama got his a$$ handed to him. When I got up this morning to check the news, my jaw dropped at the polls of people who thought Obama beat McCain. Are we that blind and deaf? Obama is going to sweep the pieces of this already broken country under the rug if he is elected. This man is not a leader by any means. He stuttered relentlessly on his responses and half the time agreed to what McCain was saying. I almost felt like McCain was "schooling" him on certain issues.

John McCain proved to me to be a fighter who will stop at nothing to make this country well again. A lot of people look down on him, saying he is an old school politician. This is precisely one of the reasons that I am voting for him. We need someone who is not "nice" but a strong-take no crap- man with a hard attitude. This is clearly not Obama as he is far too inexperienced. Dont people trealize Obama is going to tax us all to hell? Or that his liberal attitude and politically correctness is one of the reasons why this country is down the chute? It's just a matter of time until we wont be able to say "God" in out Pledge of Allegiance. Hell, thanks to liberals like Obama we cant even say Merry Christmas without raising some eyebrows from a certain few.

My vote is for McCain, hands down

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bcrawf2033 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:35:09 GMT

I fail to see where McCain won anything last night. He continues a foreign policy of war as the only option. We can neither afford, nor do we have the man power to police the entire world. He talked about a spending freeze on everything but defense and war. What about the rest of the country and domestic issues here at home? If America isn't strong at home, she can't help others around the world. We must first get control of economic issues here at home, and it's obvious we are going to have to do things differently. We need to get out of debt with China and other countries and enhance our energy here in the US. I agree with the use of diplomacy and soft power as discussed by our five past secretaries of state in the forum on CNN. The world and world leaders are changing rapidly around the globe and we have to be mindful that we don't live on the planet alone. Our soldiers are burned out, they need to come at least to rest before they move into hte the next conflict. McCain wants to continue giving money to defense contractors. Our veterans are badly damaged physically and emotionally upon returning to the US. Suicide rates are at an all time high. McCain is still stuck in Vietnam and in an ever constant "I know how to win the war" mode. We need balance! Both military muscle and diplomatic ties. McCain doesn't know the meaning of the word "Diplomacy". His actions this week showed "McCain First" not "Country First" and wth all his foreign policy experience, that's a shame. He's clueless about people of other cultures and doesn't care about them or how he offends them. He and his wife are both very rich people and they have nothing in common with people who are struggling and living paycheck to paycheck. He has never known how it feels to go to your job and be told "today is your last day", handed a pink slip and your next stop is the unemployment office. How do you feed your family? How do you pay the rent or mortgage? How do you buy grocercies? How do you put gas in the car to go to a jo interview? Some folks are having a hard time gathering bus fare and lunch money. These are the real issues that matter. America! There's a hole in our boat. It doesn't matter who put there. We all have plug up the hole or we are all going to sink.

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markanthis — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:35:51 GMT

Good lord I must of been watching a different debate than most of you blogging here. Obama has given any defintive conclusions to what he going to do about anything. Even in this debate, not one thing did he say he would do if elected. He will propose and try. However, McCain was very clear what he would do with the economy and foreign policy. Obama was schooled completely last night and you all need to expect that. All politicians stretched truth, yes even your precious Obama. I am sorry I just don't see him the way you all do. And I am not saying McCain is better but it drives me nuts that everyone is trying to place Obama up on this whatever.

Oh McCain was rude, wah!! Obama was defending himself because he did not have the experience it was pretty damn obvious you idiots. Sometimes, believe it or not ; having been there, does win over anything else. 99% of the time. At least that's what history shows. Most of the time experience is knowledge. You can't replace that with schooling or anything else. That is way life is. Time heals, it steals and it reveals. Very good words to remember.

This election has been the most comical, most drawn out and at sometimes the most stupidest thing I have ever seen. It is pretty depressing when China comments that it's "Entertaining". WOW,

Isn't it great, look at them there Americans!! Ha. Ha. Iran president made a true statement , Country is declining in more ways than a world power. Anyway McCain beat the pants off of Obama last eve and you all can go cry in your spilled milk. WAH< WAH WAH

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

sml40235 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:37:39 GMT

Obviously it won't matter because all right thinking citizens whether they wish to admit it or not, know that Obama won. Give Jack his jacket when it's due.

Susan

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Hollsopple — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:38:11 GMT

I am not sure you can say that McCain won. There were way too many good points made by both candidates to come to that conclusion. I was personally put off with McCain's constant historical lessons. He may forget that a lot of those events, etc., are in the past. This is the future, and we need someone that will move the country forward. I am not sure he can do that since he is stuck in the past on his own experiences as well as the way the country should be run. I did not take away from this debate any real information from McCain on how he would be leading our country. I feel that Obama could have gone after the Republicans on why our country is in this economic mess, and how McCain is tied to that. Obams's performance was certaintly more presidential.than McCain.

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pres_debate_viewer — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:38:59 GMT

You couldn't have watched the same debate I did and come away with the conclusion that McCain won! Just in terms of native intelligence and integrity, Obama is clearly superlative, and it's hard to even consider both individuals in the same context. While Obama offered some clear and pointed ideas, McCain repeatedly resorted to his weary war stories and tired attempts at patriotism with one-syllable words. Sorry - totally disagree.

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Mother of five — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:40:05 GMT

Andrew Romano" : thank you for writing one of the best unbiased comments I have seen during this melodramatic campaign. The spin-wars have already begun. I can hardly wait for Act 2 next Thursday night.

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citizen — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:40:08 GMT

What we have here is a failure to communicate,both may be a good president,but which one will

be the best leader if we the people support him fully?

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qudrcps — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:40:30 GMT

No runs, no hits, no errors.

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PSeinberg — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:41:17 GMT

John McCain knocked down this black man very easy! I can not stand with the concept that a Muslim black man who converted to Chrisitianity for his own political purposes from Kennya can become a U.S. President.

If you go out every streets and corners of every states and ask all "suspected" terrorists who legally came to American on who they will choose, the answer is Obama - the black guy.

If you also ask the liberal media, who they will sing for? The answer is Obama - the black guy.

If you are keen enough to learn about his childhood, Obama was a drug-dealer, a terrorist who loved to bomb federal buildings, and he used his drug money to fund for these operations.

Because of his Muslim root, he acts on behalf on Muslims.

You must hear he and his wife said they have never been proud to be Americans before than now. You should ask why they said so?

And to all black Chrisitians, if you love and respect God, you have to dennounce this Muslim man who will ruins our country very soon. If you decide to vote along the racial lines, you will regret later when you face God in the final days.

This Muslim black guy called Obama supports abortions. Do you know or have any ideas in your mind how many babies are killed on a daily basis? If you add all soldiers who have died for their country in both wars, together with those who killed in Vietnam war, that number is still lower than the number of babies killed right here in the U.S.

Black Americans, God loves lives, God creates lives, and if your support Obama who kills lives of unborn babies, can you still have the nerve to call yourself as "Christians"?

Also, how we got into this financial mess?

Seven & a half years!

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over a year and a half ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2-1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

4) The DOW JONES hit a record high -- 14,000+

5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises and vacations overseas, living large!

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'!

So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep -- we got 'CHANGE' all right!

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;

2) Gasoline is now over $3.75 a gallon & climbing;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 trillion dollars & prices are still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6) THE DOW is probing another low ~11,300 -- $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YEP, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE! AND WE GOT IT!

A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, NANCY PELOSI. HARRY REID.

Now the Democrats' candidate for president -- and the polls say he's gonna be 'the man' -- claims he's gonna really give us change! Just how much more 'change' do you think you can stand?

Now I do hope you open wide your eyes now and have the courage to stop this black and Muslim man from ruining America, all right?

Seinberg - An Independent Jewish for McCain

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Javier Castellon — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:41:31 GMT

Obvious: McCain won by a landslide. Showed experience and control.

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:42:38 GMT

To usersuzi: Oh, are we to have tea with the princiss this afternoon? Oh, I am so sorry, I totally forgot.

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silversylvia — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:42:54 GMT

To quasqueton: I beg your pardon, I am a fraud, I find that very appalling! You don't even know me, you know nothing about my life, who I am, what kind of person I am. Evidentally you took the time to read my comment and I dont care what you say about me because it doesn't matter anyways. The truth hurts, doesn't it? Evidentally you are for McCain! That's fine with me but grow up! I am not here to argue with you and I would never call you a fraud. This is to comment about the debates, not to make comments about other people you don't even know.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

P.J. in Michigan — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:44:09 GMT

I'm truly baffled by Andrew's assertion that McCain was the more effective performer last night. McCain was a cranky old coot who never met a fact he couldn't twist or distort. His condescension and arrogance is sickening: I know how to win Iraq; I know how to get bin Laden; I know how to heal the wounds of a war; etc., etc. Well, if that's the case, why doesn't McCain share some of his unique knowledge with, say, the President of the United States?

One person on that stage last night has the judgment, temperament and values to be President: Obama.

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rhondafarris — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:44:37 GMT

The author of this article must have been on the staff of the Obama team. Man, you need to wrtie without such a bias.

McCain did school Obama. It was like watching a professor with a new student. Obama does not have the experience to lead this country. It is frightening to see what will happen to our taxes. We are in a time when spending has to halt and Obama wants to just increase it more. God help us.

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towjos — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:44:41 GMT

Chalk one up for experience and chalk one up for intelligence. I will go with intelligence. George Bush had experience...what difference did his experience make? Oh, it caused our country to go down the toilet...glub, glub, glub. Do I need to mention anything about his intelligence? Oh, he has none. Do you really want to continue swimming in REPUBLICAN stench for another 4 years? We don't need another 4 years of the same old regime. GET THE REPUBLICANS OUT of the driver's seat...they've had their chance to run the country and they've FAILED MISERABLY. CHANGE IS NEEDED. OBAMA for president!!!! And by the way I am not a Democrat. Just really pissed with the REPUBLICANS and want to see them go.

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drcorazont — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:44:41 GMT

clearly mccain is the better candidate and will be the better president

if the world will see a muslim arab (masquerading as a black man)-obama's grandparent on his father side is from the middle east,then europe and the rest of the world will think that americans really has gone bunkers!!!

most of the developed countries in the world are spendind billions of money as well as the poor ones, including the philippines ,are trying so hard to combat terrorism and you are electing a terrorist like obama???he'll deliver the america's to his muslim brothers...

what's wrong w/ america?

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ALLEAS — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:45:23 GMT

I AM REALLY TIRED OF McCAIN SUPPORTERS WHO POST COMMENTS ON THIS SITE REFERRING TO PEOPLE LIKE ME AS DREAMY EYED IDIOTS. I AM AN AMERICAN FIRST AND A DEMOCRAT SECOND. I AM SUPPORTING OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE, NOT BECAUSE I AM "IN LOVE WITH BARACK OBAMA". THIS ELECTION IS TOO CRITICAL TO THE SURVIVAL OF OUR COUNTRY FOR SOMEONE TO BASE THEIR VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKE SOMEONE.

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nadaman — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:45:23 GMT

In a world where American Idol contestants have "Fan Clubs" with thousands of adoring fans who rush to the phones and the web to vote for their favorite contestant how can we trust what Online Opinion Polls by CNN and CBS say when it comes to Barack Obama?

The Obama campaign has a WIDE advantage on this by having a younger, more technologically advanced base who is used to the format and will rush online to "speak up" about their favorite candidate.

Personally, I thought McCain was a lot more controlled and certain than Obama but I have to admit that Obama "put of a better show" and was "much more entertaining."

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jlsant — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:46:12 GMT

Obama won this debate. Hands down. He held his cool. Obama when he is shaken usually takes a lot longer to make a point and stumbles. He never stumbled. He looked McCain in the side of the head. And, most importantly, didn't fail the commander and chief test. At the end of the night, the independent polls saw the same thing that I did...one candidate that showed contempt and the other who in the face of contempt, held his cool.

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newsbug — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:47:32 GMT

I am sick of the media focusing on the strategies at play with the candidates. I don't care whose appearance was more "presidential". I don't care who looked or didn't look at their watch or at John McCain almost looked teary-eyed at his opening remark about Kennedy. Come on. These "strategies" don't work with me and McCain uses these constantly. Doesn't this give an indication of who this man really is? I don't want to watch and listen to a debate that is viewed as a game to see who could get one over on the other and that is what the media seems to be focusing on this morning. This shows how superficial this country has become. And furthermore, if you look at our nation as a big business and government as administration and we the people as the board of directors, would a business sit back and let the company fall into such a mess? Heck no, the board of directors would have fired the administration!

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mad in mo — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:47:42 GMT

Debates? How can anyone be serious about these being factual debates? Until they hook them up to lie detectors in Washington you can't believe much that they say. What I can believe in is their history. We have had almost 8 years of a total disaster. A government that thinks trickle down economics works, and now with the wall street bail out also enjoys trickle up "from the taxpayers pocket to wall street". I can see we are in a mess, I can see we have to do something and I can hardly blame the party that was not in control for most of this past 8 years. Who can vote for more of the same? McCain voted with Bush 80% of the time. His history shows what he intends to do and that would be nothing for the working class.

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whathell — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:47:45 GMT

im undecided and mcain last night looked like the teacher and obama the student.

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Javier Castellon — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:48:44 GMT

Obvious: It is more than evident that McCain showed more control and experience.

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cely99 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:49:11 GMT

Priority !!!!

McCain listens to people.

Obama listens to politics.

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swe123 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:50:22 GMT

I think the debate was a tie as far as what was actually said. Most of it wasn't new and I think viewers probably tuned out occasionally because it eventually got pretty boring. However, what will stick in people's minds is how rude and unpresidential McCain acted. That was the main topic with the people I watched the debate with. It is a sign of more unpredictable and erratic behavior from McCain. I believe the American people will feel uncomfortable with a leader that acts this way.

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polydoc — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:53:00 GMT

Re: Last night's debate. Mr. Romano was quick to say that his take on the "winner/loser" was more representative of how "the public" would see the results--But I feel he was actually "one level of complexity" removed from the public "take" on the night. In addition, interestingly the assessment I obtained from PBS was almost unanimously and consistently the opposite (immediate post debate analysis as well as Charlie Rose).

If the knock on Obama had been that he was not seen as presidential, or was lacking resoluteness, strength of character, or steadfastness under fire--then the aggressiveness and attacks of McCain may have allowed Obama to shine. The public is well able to appreciate a skilled jujitsu or kung fu practitioner parrying a powerful attacker's moves, often making aggressors look fooolish, while maintaining a posture of calm strength and stability--Ready for the next onslaught. This ethic is not new (I believe the series "Kung Fu" was a hit in the seventies), and remains in play today (perhaps the skyrocketing popularity of mixed martial arts may have helped.)

So too, Obama was the beneficiary of pre-debate expectations, as well as the present status of the race--"If he ties, he wins." Mr. McCain's over all "air", body language, and simplistic, repetitive, and personal nature of his attack in turn hurt him in the impressionistic, non-verbal, "gestalt" of who won; which is what will most likely remain with the "public.

So; even if there was no significant gaffe, "gotcha" moment, oratorical flourish, or indelible sound-bite; given the non-level pre-debate playing field, state of the campaign, and differing expectations--I think Obama came out better than McCain (I hesitate to say "won".)

If the debate was not "scored" according to formal debating rules and principles (no presidential debate is); it was not assessed by tallying the times McCain attacked or Obama was required to defend himself: nor on whose "political turf" the bulk of the fighting occurred.

Lastly, I feel that the calm, measured, and impartial management of the debate by moderator Jim Lehrer helped Obama; and if Gwen Ifill, moderator of the upcoming vice presidential debate, is a "chip off the old block"; this does not bode well for Ms. Pallin (although Joe Biden has been known to "git 'is dander up" in similar situations.)

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dotty smithson — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:53:10 GMT

WELL WHO IN HERE THINKS MCCAIN JUST AS HIS TERRIBLE PICK OF A RUNNING MATE KEPT REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AS ALWAYS. i AM A FEMALE AND I HOPE ALLYOU WOMEN OUT THERE SEE THIS PALIN FOR WHAT SHE IS, A INEXPERIENCED

WOMAN TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF AT THE EXPENCE OF OUR COUNTRY OH I GUESS SHE THINKS BECAUSE SHE IS ACROSS THE WATER FROM RUSSIA THAT MAKES HER A PRO WELL DONT BE AS STUPID AS YOU WERE WHEN LYOU ALL VOTED FOR G/B

SHE IS A FAR CRY FROM HILLARY CLINTON AND NEVER WILL COMPARE TO HER !!

PLEASE DO NOT PUT THIS COUNTRY THROUGH ANOTHER 4 YRS OF REPUBLICAN TERROR!! WE HAVE TO SAVE AMERICA FROM THEM VOTE FOR OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE BIDEN WIPE THE FLOOR WITH HER IN THE DEBATE , SHE IS EVEN WORSE AT INTERVIEWS THEN MCCAIN IS SHE IS STUPID!!!!!!!

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Bunch of Bidder People — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:53:41 GMT

This is the best IDEA I HAVE HAD in a LOOOOONNNNG time:

The Gordon Economic Recovery Plan

Hi Pals,

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bon-a-fide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?

Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.

Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads

Put away money for college - it'll be there

Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.

Buy a new car - create jobs

Invest in the market - capital drives growth

Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves

Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG - liquidate it.

Sell off its parts.

Let American General go back to being American General.

Sell off the real estate.

Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion 'We Deserve It Dividend' more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The GORDON plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Kindest personal regards,

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

lfrank — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:54:10 GMT

McCain was the clear winner here, folks. His bulldog steadfast approach to each and every question was not only classic polished politics, but gave him the edge in every respect. Obama was forced to RE-act, rather than PRO-act in last night's debate. McCain very clearly came across as the experienced politician in foreign policy issues, and in the issues he was not so strong in, he was able to deftly "focus on the future". Beautiful move. The reality is that the PRESIDENT of the US's main responsibility is to be Commander-In-Chief of our Armed Forces. It is CONGRESS's responsibility is to handle the nation's economy with input from the next president. The economic crisis in our country is tragic- we are all feeling it, and the overseas markets are as well, but our Congressional leaders and future President need to focus on "fixing" the problem with analyzing spending and cutting where necessary- not on blaming someone for it, and spending more. Regardless, the solution to our economic crisis is to focus on the future and cleaning up the wasteful spending, which McCain was clearly adept at focusing the debate upon- kudos to his political advisors on coming up with this strategy! My response is that in a negotiation-whether it be with Presidents of other Countries, or defending important economic legislation here at home, I would much rather have a PRO-active bulldog of a President who has a good heart and the CLEAR experience with debating techniques and foreign nations, rather than a RE-active one who just joined the foreign policy committees so he could "walk the walk.". McCain has EARNED respect already with members of Congress and of foreign governments- Obama is still seeking that respect- unfortunately respect in a global arena HAS to be earned- it is NOT given automatically with the title- at least not for real. Please don't misunderstand me. I do think Obama has the definate potential to lead our great country, but my feeling is that he does not yet have the experience to be our Commander-In-Chief. "Niavete" was mentioned a few times last night- with good reason. Having worked in DoD myself, many of Obama's idealistic strategies, he will learn will not work in a global arena. He has good intention, but his re-actionary commitment to last night's debate was a clear faltering ability to lead as Commander in Chief in the strategic global theatre. Simply put, he needs more than to be on a committee to be able to stand toe to toe with often hostile opponents in our global arena in an effort to secure our country's freedom, and that of fledgling democracies. He needs to have actually worked with or at least in these other countries... and he has not- some of them he has not even visited. I sincerely hope Obama studies our foreign policies and stragegies which have and have not worked for us over the next four years, can gain opportunities to talk with people in these countries, learn about them and their lives, and is able to come back a stronger candidate in 2012 with real-time experience, so he CAN become our President who can and will lead our great nation. However, for this next four years, Obama's inexperience in the face of McCain's experience with foreign policy was clear... we just Don't need that image right now in the global theatre when we are fighting to maintain our respect in the face of a shaky global market position. Right now, what we need is that unfaltering bulldog who will stand up for our rights, our economy, our security, and our way of life- even if that means making unpopular or difficult decisions, We NEED someone who has endured great pain for us, and for what he believes in; someone who is already respected by foreign and domestic leaders for his sacrifices for his country and her people, and someone who will NOT be talked over, and forced to RE-act to a rapidly evolving political argument, or be suayed by the "popular" ideals of a financially stressed and rapidly exhausting American public. Fact is, if you cut taxes for us middle class working people, you have to make up for it somehow or the country can't run. I don't want to pay as much in taxes either, but I recognize that if I don't we won't have the money to maintian a global presence. Folks, we need someone who will stand up for us and make the hard decisions with the public and with Congress, whether they are popular or not... just because it is the RIGHT thing to do. We need someone experienced in foreign policy, foreign negotiation, and with our Armed Forces. We need someone who can and WILL be strong enough to lead our country and navigate through this fiscal and politically charged global terrain. I was undecided walking into last night's debate. I am now crystal clear on who the Bulldog for Freedom is in this race. I hope others can also see the candidate who can and will do what needs to be done for the greater good of our country, our security, our global autonomy, and ultimately our people.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

jswoody — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:56:10 GMT

Andrew,

I don't mean to sound disrespectful or condescending--but you simply don't understand what you saw.:)

You saw a fumbling stumbling politican-trying to make you feel sorry for him -- he has nothing to offer, just his worn out, over used sound bites--he's beginning to look very sad..

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onadeb — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:57:34 GMT

dotty smithson, Thank you for a truthfull look at his running mate, I just want to know where have all the news people been in regards to her past, or how much there getting $$ for continuing to keep it hush-hush,, all you hear is the tip of the iceberg,, then under the rug it gose..,, AGAIN Thank You!

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Rick Jones — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:58:24 GMT

Newsweek can be serious which debate were they looking at confident, clear or on point cannot be used to decribe Mc Cain. It was clear in the debate that Obama was by miles the better candidate he was clear decisive and specific...what more he could look Mc Cain in the eyes which cannot be said Mc cain spoke with the moderator and not the American people.

If the economy is in bad shape we cant fund any war and what is worst the attempt to call off debate because of all that was going on continues to show that Mc Cain is all that he charges Obama to be inexperienced, indecisive and unable to deal with the complexities of presidency ...you judge by the performance leading to and during the debate...He does not seem ready to weather the storm

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ForChange — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:59:33 GMT

Not only was McCain condescending, he sounded like grandpa telling a little kid "trust me, I'll take care of it" -- when all the kid's worried about is whether grandpa can see well enough to drive safely. After this debate, Obama will be viewed as quintessentially presidential i.e. a leader for America who is not obsessed with destroying eveyone else!

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dotty smithson — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:03:18 GMT

GEORGE BUSH IS A IDOT BUT WAS SMART ENOUGH TO GET HIS BROTHER IN FLA TO HELP HIM FIX THE VOTE (COME ON REP CAN YOU DENY THAT OH IT WAS JUST A FLUKE THIS HAPENED IN FLA WHERE IS BRO WAS GOV) BUT HE HAS RUN THIS COUNTRY BANKRUPT LIKE 3 OF HO\IS DADDYS COMPANYS BEFORE HOW DID YOU IDOTS THINK HE WOULD TAKE AHOLD OF A USA BILL CLINTON HAD TURNED INTO THE USA WE COULD BE PROUD OF AND G/B AND CHENNY HAS MADE BILLIONS OFF THIS WAR AND NOW THEY WANT US THE TAX PAYERS TO BAIL OUT THEIR STUPID MISTAKES ( I GUESS HIS DADDY IS PROUD HE WONT HAVE TO BAIL HOM OUT THIS TIME) YEAH LETS BE JUST AS STUPID AND ELECT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN TO TAKE HIS COUNRTY FUTHER DOWN THE CRAP HOLE WE ARE IN AND TAKE WOMANS RIGHT BACK INTO THE 19 TH CENTURY !!!

GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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listeningtoitall — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:03:30 GMT

It is funny how everyone is writting a blow by blow discription of McCains actions in Washington. Where was Obama? Rehursing for his debate? Didn't anyone hear him repeatedly call Sen. McCain Tom or Jim? He couldn't even keep straight the name of the man he is running against. This should work out well when he is having his one on ones with the terrorist of the world. How can you mess that up?? Interesting how no one has brought that up....No over played sound bites there....If McCain did that there would be comments about age etc...Lets stop nick picking and listen to what was said. Not much! It was rehursed and overly so by both of them.

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vindustries — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:04:17 GMT

Bunch of Bidder People, your "Gordon Economic Recovery Plan" should have begun with a "Gordon Decimal Place Recovery Plan. You're off by a factor of $1,000! Each person would get $425, not $425,000.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

mangomisfit — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:05:26 GMT

Good Lord! If anyone thinks McCain won the debate last night then it just proves that no matter what you are narrowminded and not too bright. I went into this undecided and came away thinking that McCain is one cranky old politician living in the past...Experience or judgement, which is better?...well, let me tell you this, my fellow American...Our current adminstration was full of experienced old men and look at where it got us. For the sake of our country and the future generations I hope that you look deeply into your heart and mind and cast your vote for who would be the better president. Just the body language from McCain spoke volumes...he never once looked over in Obama's direction...that tells me he is a liar, arrogant or is racist, take your pick.

Hey look I want what is best for this country as much as you do...the only way that will happen is if one opens their minds.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

loneal — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:05:42 GMT

Did Newsweek watch the same debate as the rest of America? I'm not sure how on earth anyone could think John McCain won this debate. Obama knocked it out of the park last night! He was well spoken, confident in his answers, he stayed on the question, and his answers reflected a broad understanding of the problems we as Americans are facing. McCain was aloof and condescending, and spun every question into what you could tell were his scripted talking points about experience and tenure. In addition, McCain does not seem to have a clue the problems we are facing right now. Obama had it exactly right when he said we've been viewing everything through the narrow lens of Iraq, while letting everything else spin out of control. Obama won this, hands down, and he will no doubt win in November.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

amborne — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:05:59 GMT

OBAMA WAS ARROGANT, HE KEPT INTERUPTING WHEN IT WAS NOT HIS TURN, HIGH SCHOOL KIDS KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT TALK WHEN THE IT IS THE OTHER PERSONS TURN, THAT IS SIMPLE DEBAT RULES, HE KEPT CALLING MCCAINE JIM,

OBAMA CAME OFF RUDE AND EGOTISTICAL, AND INEXPERIENCED, HE CAN GIVE SPEACHES BUT THATS ALL HE CAN DO.

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Rick Jones — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:06:33 GMT

Mc Cain solution freeze spending on everthing except defence is nothing less than insane. Will we eat gun, read missles, treat the sick with ammunition, fuel our cars with water......Mc Cain is out of touch he and his supporters does seem to comprehend that America faces other crisis and challenges other than the ground battle in Iraq or Afganistan. This week he showed he can deal with much else and his credibility for evn dealing with those are also questionable being so indecisive.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

bbtfor — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:06:51 GMT

I watched the debate last night and what has stuck in my head is that Senator McCain was not diplomatic. He was rude to Senator Obama and came across almost bitter and mad and a holier than though attitude. Senator McCain knows foreign policy, he has experience in foreign policy. My fear is that if he treats an opponent the way he treated Senator Obama last night, how will he treat Putin and others that he doesn't agree with? Did anynoe notice that it was Senator Obama that was the first one to shake Senator McCain's hand and thank him for a good debate. As far as sportsmanship the winner was Senator Obama. Senator McCain may have the knowledge and his passport has all of the important stamps, I fear he doesn't have the decorum needed in the White House to change the perceptions of the United States.

I have changed my vote to Senator Obama and my conservative family has also changed for the first time and will vote for Senator Obama as Senator McCain and Governor Palin are not offering anything different to main street.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

HollyE — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:07:46 GMT

We all know that the media has always swayed on the side of the Democrats, most are themselves. This article is no exception. It leaves you wanting to cry for poor Obama because he lost, the bias is evident. Then, of course, the poles say the opposite, surprise, as always the media poles sway in their direction because if we all think everybody is voting for Obama we will want to jump on that bandwagon! The strategy is to get the reader to think of McCain as a big bully and never admit defeat without reviving your candidate. Surely they are both less than we would all hope for, we need a miracle. It is amazing how it comes down to these two candidates--I am sure it is entertaining to other countries--it is almost pathetic. However, as ridiculous as it all is, I am going to vote for the one that does not scare the hell out of me with blatant disrespect for the nation, I am going to vote for McCain.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

spicegirl — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:07:50 GMT

I have to ask Andrew Romano where did he watch the debate? In what state and on what planet? Obama outperformed John McCain by far! I give points for posture during a debate, the relevance of answers to questions asked, accuracy, how well do you engage an audience and sincerity.

McCain was all over the place, attacking unnecessarily at times. He had a condescending aura throughout the debate and kept ‘talking down’ to Obama instead of showing the respect worthy of an opponent. This was a turn of. In answering questions one had to keep searching for the answers in his many stories during his very loooooong career in the senate and experience in foreign policy. One of his answers was so ridiculously long and irrelevant to the question that I kept wondering when the moderator would intervene, which he never did. Neither did I miss the wink he gave McCain at the end of the debate.

On the other hand Obama was specific, giving concise and direct answers to questions, relevant to what was being asked. He also defended attacks by McCain in a respectful manner worthy of the occasion and a nominee seeking election as POTUS.

Like me, the country is tired of the bulldog tactics that have gotten us nowhere, except being regarded as a bully by other countries. McCain should realize that time does not stand still and that type of strategy has no place in today’s world. In short, we saw a display on stage of how republicans have dealt with challenges in foreign relations over the past 7 1/2 years. Instead of engaging and presenting facts they have bullied their way through with unnecessary attacks and a misconception they are superior. This is not a win, it is a lose just like John McCain last night.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

weroper2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:07:59 GMT

People are only kidding themselves to think for a moment that Obama is ready for the Presidency.

THe bailout is not going to help me out here in Montana, it is there in wall street only for the wealthy. We must let econimcis run its course. We as people can not fix other peoples mistakes, when they lie and cheat. roper2

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

OldPlusNew — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:08:20 GMT

I wouldn't declare either the loser, but to say that McCain was "positive", "optimistic", and pointed to "a better future" makes me question just what debate Andrew Romano was watching? McCain was stiff, he was irritated by Obama questioning him (everytime someone questions his knowledge, he gets this tense smirk on his face).

Also, I think the American people don't want another dismissive president who just waves off arguments like, "About this bomb bomb iran stuff, etc." We've seen that before, in the debates with Al Gore and John Kerry, George Bush did the exact same thing. If Americans haven't learned what that means, then they deserve a McCain-Palin presidency.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

ConcernedCitizen#1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:08:53 GMT

Neither is the solution or the enemy. These are men with flaws and failings both personally and politically. My question is this: Do we prefer a leader that is condescending to his opponent or one that is condescending to us? There is so much media bias, I'm fearful we're all cattle being led to the slaughter. Again.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

ConcernedCitizen#1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:09:13 GMT

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Hostitplanet — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:09:19 GMT

SORRY BUT, Mcain LOST. Even though both couldnt come up reasonable answers I definetly would not want Mcain for president. his only defenses where how his experiance could help. and then Obama would let the public know what Mcain actually stood for.

Obama took charge and thats what we need. The Difference in how thier intune with reality is abvious. Obama is for Now where Mcain is still working on the past!

Thanks.

Mcain Lost debait

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

bailmeout! — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:10:20 GMT

John McCain never looked at Barack Obama. He was snide and condescending. He attacked and attacked some more. He made his points only through attack. Maverick? Well, perhaps, but he never leads in being a maverick. Check it out McCain folks. When he opposed drilling in the Arctic he never led the fight - he did not work with other Republicans in crafting an energy plan which included no drilling in the Arctic. He thrives on being alone and singular in his approach. I lived in AZ for 19 yrs and lobbied Senator McCain for most of those years for an energy plan, and an energy plan which included tax credits or tax deductions for homeowners use of solar, and not once did Senator McCain put forward any such plan. In Arizona where the sun shines 24-7. Listen up, folks, this is the real McCain.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

GLO in TEXAS — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:10:45 GMT

I thought that McCain won. Obama was even very rude at one point, he really did not want to allow John McCain to speak. The moderator had to speak up to him and he was overspeaking when it was McCain's turn to speak.

He is a very ambitious young man who wants to be President. He needs some seasoning, in my opionion he is not ready to lead this country. I disagree, McCain was not rude. The one thing that I noticed was that John McCain would not even look at Obama. Perhaps he doesn't particularly like him. You Think??????

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

dirtworm — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:11:31 GMT

Its the "middleclass" stupid.

The middleclass in this country are under severe financial pressure, and now they find out that things will get much worse unless they come up with $700 billion to bail out the banking system which has been run to make extreme profits for executives and wealthy investors.

They listen to the debate where all McCain wants to talk about is eliminating earmarks (do they really even know or care what earmarks are).

Obama states that he wants to cut their taxes and that McCain wants to cut $300 billion for large corporations and the wealthy, which McCain does not dispute.

At the economics debate, if McCain keeps harping about earmarks and spending cuts and does not address the real concerns of the middleclass, who are the main audience of the debates, Obama will win this election in a landslide, regardless of who scores the most debating points.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

OldPlusNew — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:13:07 GMT

The good news for Obama is that he showed a genuine understanding of the issues that face our nation, which is what he set out to do. Obviously, he wasn't going to win a debate on foreign policy experience alone. Instead, judgement and understanding was his focus.

The bad news for John McCain is that most see this as a tie. That doesn't bode well for Gov. Sarah Palin going into the VP debate. One of the issues with the John/John ticket was that it lacked any credible foreign policy experience. Cheney had his way with Edwards because of this. That won't happen in this upcoming VP debate. What's even more ironic is that the McCain campaign may have hurt themselves with that which has helped them. They have touted Palin around so much that she's probably going to garner more viewers in this debate than, say, a Joe Liebermann / Joe Biden debate (snore). That means that there is going to be a clear contrast between Biden and Palin that McCain isn't going to be able to dismiss.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

twild — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:13:10 GMT

Priority my @#$! McCain proved nothing to me, absolutely nothing! He's the one that's repeating the same thing over and over again and wants to continue the horrid path that president Bush has led us on over the years. Obama has bright and fresh ideas that will lead this country to where it needs to be. We are all affected by the bad decision making that has went on and continues to go on this very moment. Everyone needs a real "change". The wealthy, the middle class, and the minority desires a change for the better and good for our country. That's right, "our" country. We are all here to make a difference, to make a change, to make this world a better place. Let's be wise and just do it!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

JimT — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:13:26 GMT

I'm disappointed Newsweek thinks taking "pointed jabs" is a sign of strength or that saying "That's not true" is a sign of weakness. I think people are growing very weary of jabbing and insulting and condescending. And if McCain said something that was not true, Obama was obliged to tell the American people the truth.

Sounds like biased reporting to me.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

BufordTJustice — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:14:09 GMT

I believe McCain is the better choice for America, as well as his running mate Palin. They are for and will do everything that needs to be done in this country to get it back to the AMERICA that is used to be, I do not believe that Obama will do ANYTHING good for this country. You people want to talk about experience?!?! What experience has Obama had?!?! Not even a whole year as senator???? Who cares if Palin hasn't had years of experience, she's in the VP spot, not the PRESIDENT, where as McCain has years of experience. Biden is a joke, as is Obama. Come on America. do we really want a muslim named Barack HUSSEIN Obama running this country? After September 11th?!?!? Can anyone else see through this guy to see that he is a joke and this country is going to hell in a handbasket if he is elected???

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

mangomisfit — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:16:42 GMT

Hey look I want what is best for this country as much as you do...the only way that will happen is if one opens their minds.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

ThinkingBeing — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:17:15 GMT

Every single poll shows Obama won this debate. Sorry, but to say McCain won is just wishing thinking.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

uribeam — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:17:20 GMT

McCain won this debate in my opinion. I want to know what it is that all these people see in Obama that has turned them into little school girls? The man has no real political or military experience. I know, he is a sitting Senator but he is in his first term and has been running for President since he has been there. So what experience does he have.? If all this country wants is a rock star image in office and no substance then go ahead but if we want someone who loves this country as much as we do to then McCain is the man. One more question, why is it that all the Dem's are criticizing Governor Palin for her lack of experience when in fact she has just much or more than Obama?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

GoDiegoGo — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:17:32 GMT

McCain should not talk about his service in congress and all the bills he voted AGAINST when he voted FOR the biggest blunder the WORLD has ever seen other than the one he fought in (I guess he still thinks we won that one also). You would think that after spending 150 years in congress, he would have gotten something right by now but he still does not get it. He even picked an airhead for VP nominee but that is because she makes him look smarter (doesn't take much). It’s the new Laurel and Hardy show.

This is the same man who lost to Bush, I would not put that on my resume.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

bluesea66 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:17:53 GMT

I think this info is worth repeating. Thanks Seinberg.

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'!

So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep -- we got 'CHANGE' all right!

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;

2) Gasoline is now over $3.75 a gallon & climbing;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 trillion dollars & prices are still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6) THE DOW is probing another low ~11,300 -- $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YEP, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE! AND WE GOT IT!

A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, NANCY PELOSI. HARRY REID.

Do we really want to give power to any more Dem?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

djcateyez — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:18:15 GMT

I just can't understand how the media thinks that McCain won. Maybe you guys should try to stop overanalyzing the debates & try to look at from a regular person's perspective. The reason why the majority of the public thinks that Obama won is because he was clear, & crisp. He looked into the camera and talked to us. He spelled out all of his points. McCain looked old. He was rambling. He was saying the same stuff he says all of the time. He seemed really mean and angry & wouldn't look at Obama. He seemed confrontational and unpresidential. He seemed like instead of telling us what he was going to do, that he was just there to try to insult Obama. People don't like to see that. Plus he was talking about freezing spending & cutting defense programs & he talked about all of the wars that he was for. That scared alot of regular people like me.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

aunkmaa — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:18:54 GMT

Oh and Mccain is ready to be President?

Posted By: weroper2 (September 27, 2008 at 9:07 AM)

People are only kidding themselves to think for a moment that Obama is ready for the Presidency.

you got to be freakin kidding! OBama not only showed that he is knowledgeable (Empty Suit?) he showed that he is right on the issues...... dude you got a real twisted view like Mr Romano but it looks like the rest of our country is waking up because they see OBama as the winner!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

AmericaforObama — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:19:08 GMT

Poll results for first presidential debate: Obama wins

By George Harris, Kansas City Star Readers Advisory Panel 2008

Who won the debate?

Ignore all commentators' opinions expressed without evidence. The winner is determined by the numbers, especially the votes of the undecided. Here are some preliminary answers:

CBS Insta Poll shows Barack Obama won 39% to John McCain's 25% with 36% saying the debate was a draw.

Insider Advantage reports those polled Obama won 42% to McCain's 41% with Undecided 17%

CNN reports voter opinions that Obama "did better" 51%, McCain "did better" 38%

The CNN poll showed men were evenly split, but women gave Obama higher marks 59% to 41% for McCain.

The CNN pollster noted a slight Democratic bias in the survey. Well, there just are more Democrats in the country. So more Democrats watched. However, this may also suggest Democratic enthusiasm which will help turn out the vote.

The MSNBC on-line (non-scientific) poll showed Obama winning the debate 52% to 33%. (But this is what one would expect from such a poll at MSNBC because of the nature of its viewers.)

Some free analysis: As I noted on this site during and after the debate, McCain appeared angry and dismissive of Obama and generally impressed as someone who would slap colleagues across the aisle if reaching over to them. He said several times in the debate that he hasn't won the Miss Congeniality contest in the Senate, and he proved why during the debate.

I suspect that women voters especially would be turned off by McCain's sarcastic tone because women do tend to be the conciliators in our society and saw Obama display those conciliatory qualities very well in the debate. Obama looked at McCain, and McCain wouldn't return the eye contact but rather glared or displayed a tight and angry expression.

I also suspect (but don't have the data to support) that older voters were also turned off by Senator McNasty. I believe older voters will also be reassured that, though McCain has been around longer, Obama has a good grasp of foreign affairs and can learn quickly. He impressed as a statesmen, in marked contrast to McCain's warrior demeanor.

McCain referred to Obama as naive or as not understanding on many issues when the listener probably saw a mere difference of opinion. McCain's condescenion felt annoying; to the listener who might agree or disagree with Obama, Obama nevertheless was making good points, not naive ones.

In general, I think the country is tired of negativity, and McCain's performance didn't give anyone the impression that age has mellowed him. In fact, he seemed rather proud of his continuing bellicose manner. The country seems ready for a change from the "fighting as first choice crowd

Read em and weep Andrew. I dont know where yu based your infomaiton from but clearly in all the polls Obama won the debate. Andrew you should quit job as a reporter and join the republican party as a butt sweeper.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

polmongani — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:19:38 GMT

I think your assessment is off. Your two reasons for your argument that McCain won are not supported. Obama having to repeat "it's not true" or "let me clear the record" was his way of politely countering McCain's repeated lies. This tactic of McCain's campaign repeating lies and half-truths in hopes that the mantra will stick is out of control and Obama wasn't going to leave these remarks out there dangling for people to speculate about whether or not it's true. What do you think he should've done? He wasn't defensive whatsoever (your second reason why you think Obama lost). He was articulating his side and/or stopping the lies from McCain. His manner was actually very pointed and NOT defensive. You might argue that McCain was actually the defensive one with his lecturing and whiny tone, at times, and his often off-camera snickering and exhalations of exhasparation that are generally cues that someone isn't getting their way (like a child who's accustomed to getting what he wants and doesn't want to be told otherwise).

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

AmericaforObama — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:20:33 GMT

Poll results for first presidential debate: Obama wins

By George Harris, Kansas City Star Readers Advisory Panel 2008

Who won the debate?

Ignore all commentators' opinions expressed without evidence. The winner is determined by the numbers, especially the votes of the undecided. Here are some preliminary answers:

CBS Insta Poll shows Barack Obama won 39% to John McCain's 25% with 36% saying the debate was a draw.

Insider Advantage reports those polled Obama won 42% to McCain's 41% with Undecided 17%

CNN reports voter opinions that Obama "did better" 51%, McCain "did better" 38%

The CNN poll showed men were evenly split, but women gave Obama higher marks 59% to 41% for McCain.

The MSNBC on-line (non-scientific) poll showed Obama winning the debate 52% to 33%. (But this is what one would expect from such a poll at MSNBC because of the nature of its viewers.)

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

AmericaforObama — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:21:12 GMT

Poll results for first presidential debate: Obama wins

By George Harris, Kansas City Star Readers Advisory Panel 2008

Who won the debate?

Ignore all commentators' opinions expressed without evidence. The winner is determined by the numbers, especially the votes of the undecided. Here are some preliminary answers:

CBS Insta Poll shows Barack Obama won 39% to John McCain's 25% with 36% saying the debate was a draw.

Insider Advantage reports those polled Obama won 42% to McCain's 41% with Undecided 17%

CNN reports voter opinions that Obama "did better" 51%, McCain "did better" 38%

The CNN poll showed men were evenly split, but women gave Obama higher marks 59% to 41% for McCain.

The MSNBC on-line (non-scientific) poll showed Obama winning the debate 52% to 33%. (But this is what one would expect from such a poll at MSNBC because of the nature of its viewers.)

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

phuchton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:21:18 GMT

to wsvstewart: It is shocking to me that you bash Barack Obama for his disagreement with a war because he chose not to believe the lies that the Bush administration attempted to feed to us about Weapons of Mass Destruction. Clearly you bought the administration's claims, which by the way have proven to be ENTIRELY FALSE, that being said, you are in essence bashing Barack Obama for being RIGHT... That is a stretch even from a Neo Conservative viewpoint, which in itself is totally irrational. Then you criticize Obama for being willing to talk to our enemies. If a meeting with Iran's leadership or the leadership of North Korea, Syria, or any other country could keep us out of a war that would cost us a trillion dollars or more(just a guess on cost based on recent experience), save thousands of US lives and possibly hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties. You forget some famous examples of wisdom by some of the world's most influential and wise leaders and scholars. Abraham Lincoln said something to the effect of "Do I not destroy my enemies by making friends with them?" Benjamin Franklin said "There never was a good war or a bad peace". Martin Luther King Jr. said "One day we must come to see that peace is not merely a distant goal we seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at that goal. We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means." and finally a quote from Hermann Goering, a top Nazi official at the Nuremburg trials "

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

So while so many were pushing for war, and Barack Obama and many others spoke out against us, it seems they were more in line with some of the wisest American leaders in our history, while the situation described in the quote by Goering emphasizes the real situation that was taking place in our country. So many Americans were convinced to go into a war that will cost us around 2 trillion dollars once we rebuild our military to pre war levels and readiness, has cost the US far more than 4000 lives, and the Iraqi people tens of thousands (minimum) civilian casualties... So while some argue that "barack obama refused to go to war even when the administration showed evidence of WMD", there were many many many experts that stated all along the WMD claims of the administration were false, and ANY intelligent person could have seen that Iraq posed no danger to the U.S.--- So who is the idiot?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

listeningtoitall — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:21:25 GMT

A debate is not playing with gloves on. It is where you present your thoughts on the issues and the abilities of the other party. One of the comments here stated McCain was ugly in comments. Why because he told the truth about Obama's experience? We are getting to a point in this country that presenting our thoughts out loud is wrong. We can agree with it or not. But he still has the right to say it. We should be interested in what they have to say about one another as well as what they are promising. Because at least their thoughts of one another will be the only truth in the debates. This mess is not going to be fixed any time soon. If you think Obama will wave a magic wand and everything will be fine you are native. This is way beyond someone with training wheels on. Do you all remember when you were young and had all the answers. Could not understand why adults couldn't just do this or that and things would be solved. As you got older you realized that your ideal thoughts would not work because the whole picture was more complex then your though process allowed at your younger age? This is how I look at the 2 men running for office. Ones been there the other is still in a child like innocents and needs to look at the whole picture. He cannot be an all knowing person in such a short time. It takes years. Maybe next time around. Not now. I wish we had a 3rd party with substance running also.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Dolores Bertrand — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:21:28 GMT

Right! McCain's smirking (shades of Bush) condescension was so typical - "feisty" his pals like to call him - plain RUDE, I say, unlike Sen. Obama's consistent display of good manners and perhaps courtesy to an old man. I fault Jim Lehrer a bit for allowing McCain to ramble on even when his time was up and had been called on it. Perhaps again, deference to an old man. Sen. Obama presented himself as well-centered and definitely Presidential - able to handle himself on any stage - debate or world.

Jeanine McNail of Hamshire, TX

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

RazorsEdge56 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:21:42 GMT

The perception inside the hall may have been that McCain won...but outside the hall where it counts, the debate was viewed as pretty much a tie, which clearly favors Obama. Foreign policy was SUPPOSED TO BE McCain's strength and at best McCain got a tie or a close loss. All the polls show as much, the red state voters of Mississippi were going to vote for McCain regardless, so the perception INSIDE the hall means nothing.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Lace — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:21:59 GMT

McCain won? I think that in his last words he spoke of Obama not be experienced enough to be President but we have to ask: is Palin experienced enough to be president? She wasn't even there for comment, and the GOP is hiding her so well we'll know little of her until November.

The whole point of change is some NEW blood in the whitehouse. That will of course mean a young fresh face. And for such a fresh face I think Obama did very well in the barrage of attacks thrown at him by McCain who is all about war and fighting. Don't forget that once the fighting starts we have already lost diplomacy and what is "good" about humanity.

What scares me is the ignorance of some Americans. That they can be lead my spin and fabrication. That they cannot see the power this country would have if we elected a man or woman as president regardless of sex or race. America it is our SECOND opportunity to show the world that we are better. The first opportunity was to handle the middle east in a more understanding way Post 911. But the Cowboy had to go in with guns blazing.

I believe that we need to keep our guns but only use them as a last resort when all else has failed. As McCain said: "If you are going to aim a gun at someone be prepared to pull the trigger". I think McCain needs to think about that when he draws his gun. McCain did win he was simply always on the offensive.

Lace, RI

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

bubszane10 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:04 GMT

How do you vote for a man who for 26 years actually voted against everything he said he will do now?

--McCain voted at least 23 times against any bill that supported or wanted to inititiate alternative fuel?

--McCain just voted "NO" to the 2008 Vets bill, just recently although he stood

up there last night and said over and over he would take care of the Veterans,

--McCain voted against equal pay for equal work - woman needed more training

--McCain's tax plan will give tax breaks to those above the $250K mark - the Urban Institute issued a study that proved this. They will see a 2.7% increase in after tax money while the Middle Class and below will see 0.2% and 0.7%???????????

--McCain's tax plan does not - take away the Corporate Tax loopholes, but will reduce there taxes by 10%. Whatever tax breaks are given should only be for companies who commit to bringing jobs back into this country - not across the board to any company and tax loopholes should be addressed

--McCain's tax plan will reduce taxes by $628 billion over the next 10 years. Now with the %'s above that money is not going to help he everyday American but will go to the Corporations and to those earning the top $$ in this country. Obama's tax plan brings in revenue $734 billion which is so desperately needed and this money will come from those who can afford to pay IT!

--McCain's $5,000 rebate for healtcare will not be enough. I know I pay for just myself and for decent cover it costs me close to $6,000. If he takes the healthcare tax break away from corporations, they will drop healthcare coverage to employees or make them pay more. The $5k tax deduction not help when you have to pay close to $600++ a month or more for healthcare.

-McCain and Bush were so short sighted and so wrong about invading Iraq. We should have went after Bin Ladin, that is where our efforts and money should have went.

There is so much more but check out his voting record. I do agree McCain will cut spending, and put a freeze on spending which will affect all the economic issue we are facing.

McCain may be a maverick but what did that change in the last 26 years let alone the last 8 years.

Ladies and Gentlemen, look what has happened to this country. If we do not secure our infrastructure we are doomed. Every major power collasped from within. We must start at home first and build out - take our country back. Yes it is a global world now and that is the future, but it must be a fair and balanced world and we, we America is at the short end of the stick right now!

Sorry, but McCain will not get my vote. Change is scary but staying the course we are on right now

is 100 times worse and scares the "blank" out of me.

Time for fresh ideas, new concepts and a visionary who envelopes the future, not the past!!

An Old Time Floridian who has lived through 60 years of the good and bad times and this is the worst, absolutely the worst

I have ever seen!!!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

The real deal — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:14 GMT

Amborne,

Stop hating and being a hyprocrite because MCcain interupted too. You will interupt someone if they kept lying about you and smiling about it. McCain is washed up and desperate. He supposed to have suspended his Campaign to handle the crisis in WASHINGTON ...WHAT A JOKE!!! It is obvious he can't muti task so he needs time out. I truely believe most Americans and the rest of the WORLD think McCain and the rest of the repulicans minds are on a another planet. Their Good ole boys, confederate members( yeah that's why they win the SOUTHERN STATES so much) and moderate whites are a slow dying breed that will soon be no longer part of politics. The world and America will soon be a more diverse planet that is compassionate of others and their rights as human beings. They NEO CONSERVATIVES will no longer rule this country nor will they have influence over the world. GOD is waking up the masses and bringing JUSTICE ONCE AND FOR ALL!! PEACE AND GOD BLESS THOSE WHO HAVE LOVE FOR ALL HUMANITY!!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

GPeschell — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:25 GMT

Obama fumbled badly by letting John McCain get away with the claim that "The Surge" in Iraq accounts for the sharp reduction in violence - failing to point out that the Sunni "Awakening Councils" that put tens of thousands of Sunni gunmen on the American payroll was a far more important factor - and a trend that long pre-dated "The Surge."

Granted, the economy is said to be what concerns most Americans - but some "casual voters" are likely to vote for McCain if they decide that he is "right" about Iraq - and has been all along, that invading Iraq was the right decision after all and at long last "victory" is in sight.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

loneal — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:31 GMT

It is unbelievable - literally UNBELIEVABLE to me that anyone would still be considering McCain-Palin. I cannot fathom it. McCain is cantakerous, narrow minded, and rooted in the past. Palin is so unqualified that she cannot even be allowed to interview with the media. Couric asks her "why not give the $700b to the middle class instead of big business?" Palin answers something incoherent about healthcare and less spending. What an insult that McCain thinks the American people are so stupid that they'll vote for him because he chose a woman and not even be concerned about whether she's qualified.

Please McCain fans -educate yourselves!!

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Rinnovato — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:42 GMT

Barack Obama won this debate. Tell John McCain that the Republican Guard was in Iraq (Saddam's Army); NOT in IRAN! Some Expert!!! LOL He doesn't even know the enemy, how can he be a Foreign Policy "expert"???

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ToadTreeHugger — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:51 GMT

The CNN poll interviewed 41% Democrats and 29% Republicans. It is seriously flawed but will be pedaled by the media as "proof" that Obama won.

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Rick Jones — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:22:52 GMT

The inexperience that Mc Cain has been talking about showed yesterday he was talking about himself...Obama must look arrogant if Mc Cain had nothing to say...out of his league on dealing with financial crisis which at the end of the day is the most pressing issue facing the US....How is any administration to achieve anything from national and international crime and terrorism (which has low returns on investment,and great financial impact) education, healthcare, agriculture and food production or public adminsitration if we have a failing economy. Do the funds for weapons, equipment and people fall from the sky as Mc Cain seems to think or do we stop everything (freeze spending except in defence) and see if war brings relief to all the problems we face.

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cely99 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:23:14 GMT

Obama has bright and fresh ideas? Did you listen to the debate? He went along with McCain several times or was it 8 times?

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midnight2u2 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:23:42 GMT

I don't know if Mr. McCain will be making those childish faces when at a news confrence with other world leaders but I find them rather rude and not very dignified.All during the debate he was rather imiture. When the spiit camera was on (every time) he did it. And he does it everywhere. He can not stand still he fidgets and gives those condisending smirks. While Mr. Obama looked at least to have more control and a more respectful demeaner. I do not support either canidate but at least Mr. Obama looked more in control of his emotions.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Foxxpaws22 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:23:47 GMT

I watched most of the debate last night, wanting to be fair, give all a chance to sway me or not. I had reservations about both, more so about McPalin, but this did it for me. I'm not going to hesitate to vote for Obama/Biden. There is a world of difference between being strong minded, determined and making a point, and being snarly, condescending, rude, and just giving off the attitude of "win at any cost" mentality; McCain did just that. I found nothing weak or submissive about the times Obama referred to his opponent as John, nor did I think his saying Mccain's position was right, because often he would then say, "but, " and offer his position. I thought Obama was level headed, poised (not arrogant), and determined to make his point without appearing like some cutout clown with no manners and such an obsession about winning at any cost, McCain. Not looking at your opponent was poor strategy; just because he doesn't like his opponent, and his choice is to "demonize" (not my description, his camp) an opponent he does not like doesnt sit well with me. Is he going to behave like that with world leaders he does not like? Is he going to keep his head down, smurk, snarl and act like a 10 year-old if he disagrees? I think so. I came away much more comfortable with Obama's posture and ability than I ever would with McCain. By the way, his little "get well Ted Kennedy" was transparent; Senator Kennedy wasn't even in the hospital at that time, which McCain well knew... he's a lightweight with one goal. Win at any cost.

I honestly am looking forward to the Biden/Palin debate more. I like Joe Biden despite his gaffes here and there; Palin cannot even handle the pressure of an interview with Charlie Gibson, how she does with Biden should be priceless!! I had a thought last night that she was probably holed up somewhat last night, reading up on all she needs to so that she can get by in her debate... that debate should be priceless.... She is the main reason I'd vote for no one rather than McCain.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

SarahsDad — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:23:59 GMT

Although I'm a loyal Obama supporter, I agree with you that McCain won the debate. But what I think doesn't matter. I'm voting Obama anyway. I've read both his books. I believe he's the best person, by far, to lead this country. And last election I voted for Bush! What matters is what the undecided voters, the "casual" voters think. Who are these people? How can you not have formed an opinion by now about which candidate you support? It's not likely that you are a politcal junkie who is well informed but just can't decide. It's much more likely that you could care less about politics, maybe haven't voted in years, but with the country in a tizzy you finally tune into the debate. In THIS context, Obama, who you may only know as some guy whose middle name is Hussein and maybe attended a Muslim school, wins big time. I spoke with a politically disinterested republican friend of mine after the debate who did just that - "saw" Obama essentially for the first time. His take - Obama held his own; McCain seemed the curmudgeon. He's voting Obama.

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mangomisfit — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:24:38 GMT

Is it possible? There is a comment posted wherein one of you listed all the good points of this current adminstration. Please allow me to list some of the bad ones:

1. Iraq war costing the nation 10 billion dollars a month

2. Bin Laden still at large not to mention Aghanistan still harboring terrorists

3. Katrina...need I say more

4. The current economy tanked because of the mortgage crisis and deregulation...

5. Borrowing from foreign countries on our credit card

6. Oil crisis

7. Over 4000 soldiers dead and many injured

Open your minds, think this one thru, get past the racism...make a smart decision this time around!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

andolynn — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:24:49 GMT

Obama clearly won the debate. McCain came across as old, tired, quavery, and tied to the past. His main emphasis was on war. He told stories instead of directly answering questions. He would not look Obama in the eye. He repeated the phrase "Obama doesn't understand" so many times that it largely lost any effectiveness it might have had, and instead made him sound bereft of imagination. He talks about the next president needing flexibility---and that's too bad, because it's a quality he himself lacks.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

NYCityGirl4ever — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:25:24 GMT

This country is on the verge of 'bankrupcy'; it's not just common people going 'broke'; literally losing their job, home and everything they worked so hard for. John McCain bragged about his 'expertise' on so many subjects, for so many years then why are we, the people, the country, where we are NOW if he's such an expert and he's been on the committee all these years. If we keeping bailing out the banks from going bankrupt, who's going to bail us out, our mortgage payment every month, our electric bill, our car payments, our credit cards payments! Brazilian's bank recently forgave people's debts. Now there's a thought....

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aunkmaa — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:26:47 GMT

And all of these are a result of 12 years of REPUBLICAN RULE!

Posted By: bluesea66 (September 27, 2008 at 9:17 AM)

I think this info is worth repeating. Thanks Seinberg.

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'!

So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep -- we got 'CHANGE' all right!

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;

2) Gasoline is now over $3.75 a gallon & climbing;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 trillion dollars & prices are still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6) THE DOW is probing another low ~11,300 -- $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YEP, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE! AND WE GOT IT!

A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, NANCY PELOSI. HARRY REID.

Do we really want to give power to any more Dem?

The Right Wing started their DEREGULATION WAR 30 years ago and it accelerated in 1994 and has now crashed. But oh, now they want to REGULATE forget you, this COUNTRY IS GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION whether you like it or not.

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johnm2211 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:27:40 GMT

Personally, I do not agree with the headline of this article. It does mention some good points, but in a way, it sounds biased. The polls about this debate clearly state that the opposite happened to what the headline of this article says. The polls say that Obama won. The poll on MSNBC showed last night that Obama won by 75%. I was part of that 75%.

I agree with what this article says about McCain using anecdotes to convey his message. Using anecdotes is an effective way to debate. However, historical anecdotes were the bulk of what McCain used to get his message across. I think Obama did a better job of being the attack dog. Obama brought up a lot of good arguments in response to some of McCains messages. Obama defended himself effectively. He stated mere facts as well. Some of the facts were about how the war on Iraq was handled. The Republicans thought they knew where Bin Laden was and where the weapons of mass destruction were. They were wrong. The war in Iraq should have never occured. Establishing a better government in Iraq was a good thing, but our target should have been Afghanistan. We could have helped Iraq establish a better government without a full military surge.

This article was also right about McCain not looking at Obama in the eye. McCain didn't even look to the cameras for that matter. How will he be able to face America without looking them in the eye? Obama made good eye contact with not only his opponent, but with the cameras as well. This shows that he is ready to lead this country. McCain may have more experience in politics, but that doesn't mean that he will be a good president. Obama may lack experience in areas such as foreign policy. This is where his running mate, Joe Biden comes in. Biden will be able to advise Obama on how to handle foreign policy.

Neither this debate, nor will any of the future debates change who I am supporting. We cannot afford four more years of the same failed econonic policies. This country needs change. The only candidate who will bring that change is Barack Obama.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

olive leaves — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:28:20 GMT

McCain shows so much more understanding and experience than Obama. Granted, Obama has become educated on the topics, holds the memory of them and has a smooth delivery, but McCain has a depth of knowledge and sensibility about how to handle issues and people. It is in his fiber; he has lived it. Obama has only studied it. McCain's character is strong and good. There is a sense that we can trust his judgement since he has been there and has proven himself. All of this came through clearly in the debate. Obama simply did not show experience, travel knowledge, or depth of having "lived it". I also have a problem trusting Obama since his background and record, including the people he has chosen to befriend are so different from where he says he stands now.

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2foolish4u — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:28:27 GMT

To the person "bunch of bidder people" Hurray for you! You need to send your figures to congress. I am sure alot of Americans would sign a petition on this!! and yes McCain will win the election, if not hang on as we are in for a ride of a lifetime, which may not be too long if Obama gets elected):

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orion16 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:28:36 GMT

Well, "BufordTJustice" says it all as to what's wrong with the typical McCain voter. Wallow in ignorance, speak lies you know to be lies, and engage in vitriolic hyperbole. I suppose it's too much to ask that potential voters at least try to become educated or appear to be thougtful. "Buford" typifies the worst in America -- sheep who instantly swallow the "big lie" and the little ones and ignore facts on their way to their blustery and nonsensical positions. How long have you been so unhappy, "Buford?"

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SiouxZ1 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:29:18 GMT

If you all think Obama is ready to lead this country you are all crazy. Let's go to all of you who talk about Palin's experience???? You think Obama has enough experience to run the country? Wow That really is a no brainer. And let's talk about change, who has the female running mate and making a point to show change? Wasn't Obama.

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Rinnovato — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:30:13 GMT

MCCAIN MAJOR GAFF LAST NIGHT: JOHN MCCAIN (a self-proclaimed foreign policy expert) forcefully accused Barack Obama of not voting for a bill which would declare "the REPUBLICAN GUARD in IRAN as a Terrorist Organization". Someone Tell John McCain that REPUBLICAN GUARD was Saddam Hussien's Army in IRAQ! IRAN has the REVOLUTIONARY GUARD! Some Expert! LOL John McCain doesnt event know the Enemy and Terrorist! LOL The Republican Guard was NOT a terrorist organization... unlike the Revolutionary Guard in IRAN!!!!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

culverjm — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:30:57 GMT

Watching the debate last night frightened me, McSame sounded old and tired and it was only 9:00! I know he has been busy NOT helping in the bailout proposal, and suspending his campaign, but this is in front of tens of millions of people!

I wonder if McSame would use Sarah "moose killer" Palin as his night time President stand in for when he goes to bed at 8:00 PM?

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Peter Timber — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:31:01 GMT

Pain McCain is as incompetent as a presidential candidate as he was a Pilot (last in his class with 5 crashed jets to his credit during training and getting shot down without even firing a shot. He was called "the Prince" by his north vietnamese captors. Further his tenure in Arizona as a senator is revolting. RICH of the NY TImes exposed his $$$ gather activites out of Mexico coming from organized crime and even Alqaueda!!!!money flowing into his coffers. His panting obsequious conduct in pursuing a war based upon lies, lies and more lies, followed by Corrupt haliburton greed/money and lap to dog to VP Cheney, Pearl & Company, lobbyists etc and ad infinitum.

The skewed,distorted picture drawn by Andrew Romano was only exceeded by the BS McCain tried to pass off making Iraq the center for all the problems of the middle East even though had they concentrated on Afghanistan and left Iraq to thwart Iran better days would be at hand as OBAMA so cleverly and obviously pointed out. Remeber there was no WMD (weapons of Mass Destruction) at all!!, no Al Quaeda operating in IRAQ and yet President Bush, foreign and domestic lobbiests determined otherwise.

Mr Romano, the author of this drivel writes well and thats about the only thing positive about his article that can be stated since its content has all the charm of a wounded Bear....

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

listeningtoitall — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:31:42 GMT

Do not even consider polls. If polls are your guide to what is right or wrong, won or lost I feel sorry for you. The polls are slanted producing the view of the poller. The same question can be asked many different ways to produce the answer needed. My feeling is who the heck cares what the polls say...you should only care about what your thoughts are on the out come of the debates. Based on what you saw and heard. That is what is important! If polls change your views on things than you should not be voting! does anyone really care what some guy in New York thinks of the debates? I don't. I also do not need reporter after reporter rehashing the debates and telling me what I heard. Like I am an idiot and need everyone else doing my thinking for me. I certainly do not need the polls or reporters translating what I saw and heard. Do you? If this is necessary for your thought process then do the United States of American a favor, stay home on voting day!

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smartergirl — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:33:22 GMT

Let's get to the very basics folks. No one wants Osama as commander in chief. No one respects a guy who was a community organizer with 143 days of experience and believes he can keep America safe—the primary reason we even have a government. If we have no security, we have nothing. So you can kiss all those fairy tale “dreams” good-bye. The surge worked and the dems hate this TRUTH. Who wants to risk the safety of America on some elitist freak that acquired his $200 million from sources in the Middle East, who locked himself in a room to cram for this debate for 3 days, and who gave NO specifics about foreign affairs? McCain can talk the talk because he walked the walk—and proved that he would even die for our freedom. Osama would NEVER dream of such a thing. Osama was sweating bullets because he knew nothing about Russia and went way off topic to try and cover up his ineptness. The Bush-bashing verbal diarrhea from this lacky is getting really old. And the left media wants people to believe this joke of a candidate is winning. But these pollsters NEVER ask the silent, conservative majority for their opinion. People like me who will vote with our feet. Hey, MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of you anti-American outfits, the smoke and mirrors can only go so far. Wait until the silent majority proves you all wrong come election day.

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SarahsDad — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:33:30 GMT

Those posters who cite Obama's "agreeing" with McCain as a negative have forgotten the art of negotiation. Look someone in the eye. Establish common ground (the "agreeing" part). Then clarify the differences. This is how Obama will reach out the the rest of the world. Refusing to acknowledge your opponent and then verbally attacking him, like McCain did, won't gain the US any brownie points in international negotiations. This is a new world, a global economy, and we need a new leader who understands how to play peacefully in the world's sandbox. Point Obama.

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aboyne — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:33:31 GMT

LOL - Barack's endorsement of McCain

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A Believer — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:33:45 GMT

Not one time did Obama commit to cutting the pork. McCain did at least twice. McCain promised the American people he would not allow this kind of unnessary spending to go on and would expose anyone who tried it. I gotta go with McCain. He knows the military, foreign policy, been there, done that guy. Four years of lets look and see leadership is just not good enough for me. As a democrat, I will have to stray into republican waters this election. McCain has proven to me he is an American first. He owes no one anything. No axes to grind, no oily's any pay backs, no ethnic groups, no other counties, but just good old America and her God and her flag. We cannot throw caution to the wind. Trusting the leaders of countries that would love to see us distroyed is not an option in todays times. I also did not approve of Obama calling Senator McCain John. We can shorten their names in referring to them to each other but If I were in the company of either, the respectful address would be, Senator McCain and Senator Obama. Obama seems to have forgot his manners. I wonder what some foreign dignitaries would think of him calling then by their first names????? Just to immature for me. I guess what I'm trying to say is, with age comes knowledge. At this time it is crucial that we not take a chance on someone learning as we go leadership. In God We Trust

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cajan — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:34:22 GMT

Tough debate, but with Biden on McCains side truly a win for John. Biden truly understands Obama and undercuts him as often as possible.

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xmrrushx — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:34:50 GMT

Does anyone realize that the republicans do not want Palin up against Biden? Why else would they want to "postpone" the debate last night? They wanted it scheduled for OCT 2 when the VP debate was scheduled. It Seems like the republicans feel that the "hockey mom" is just that. A "Hockey mom"...wait with "lipstick". Biden will win this next debate and the Republicans know it and are afraid of it.

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Amandar25 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:35:29 GMT

McCain did not win by any means. He did his stupid jabs and then Obama made him look like a fool when his answer was better than McCain's. What really amused me is that McCain couldn't copy Obama like he's been doing this entire campaign.First (that I am aware of) they (republicans) criticize Obama for lacking experience because he would try diplomacy with our enemies, and then 6months later Bush is going to talk with N. Korea, and now John McCain is back peddling on the issue saying I wasn't for me personally doing the talks. Then the rip off of the Change tagline. McCain is a liar, I'm not saying obama is a saint but I didn't see any straight open lies lastnight from Obama, But McCain was caught in a lot of lies. YOu could tell by his reaction when Obama caught him on it. McCain would not be a very good President and that is the bottom line. He made a strategic move picking Sarah Palin by hoping that all the women in America were stupid enough to vote for him just because he had a woman on his team, and whattaya know she is a total blithering idiot. She is a straight bullshitter who talks a lot without saying much of anything. But she can draw a bigger crowd than McCain.I don't know if you guys watched the debate last night or not, but I did not see McCain winning.

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quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:36:39 GMT

To PSeinberg: I am a McCain supporter. And even though, I'm certainly not pc, we should not - well okay, maybe we should - they do it on the other side,

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

IaHawk44 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:37:15 GMT

Where was McCain's flag pin? Where was Palin? Giuilani was there in Sophomore Sarah's place. This is an obvious flaw in McCain's judgement and decision making.

BUT, the main thing I took from the debate was that Obama knew something that McCain did not know... that Henry Kissinger did suggest meetings with Iran without conditions. With Kissinger advising McCain it showed that McCain is mainly relying on his record and experience... which is fine, but if you don't listen to an advisor with the reputation and experience of a Henry Kissinger it shows ignorance and arrogance.

All the times when Obama agreed with McCain, or said he was right, it was about policies or issues all Americans would agree with. It showed that Obama was much more bipartisan than McCain... the man who likes to claim "he always reaches across the aisle" when it comes to reaching agreements with the Democrats.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

OldPlusNew — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:37:20 GMT

Like I said before this debate happened. The winner didn't really matter in this debate, because John McCain held the clear advantage due to his experience in foreign policy. The question was, "How does Barack Obama counter him on foreign policy issues." Rather than touting experience that he doesn't have, Obama made his position clear that understanding and judgement is the key to any foreign relations decision. I think he did that well, or at least well enough to live another day.

Now, because of this fact, even IF you say McCain won the debate, the fact of the matter is that any rational person will tell you that such a victory wasn't "decisive". Because of this, McCain will be playing catch up to Obama for the last two debates, which focus more on domestic issues. First, McCain is going to have to figure out immediate damage control for that which will be the crucification of Sarah Palin via Joe Biden in the Vice Presidential debates. People talk about how the VP ticket holder doesn't decide the election, and that is true... in normal cases. However, this is no ordinary election, and because Sarah Palin garnered so much enthusiasm from the beginning, yet has shown a genuine lack of understanding over the last month, she will have ONE last shot to, at minimum, calm her base (who are currently asking her to step down). Let's face the facts: This isn't Bush/Quayle. People weren't questioning Bush's health. Bush didn't have a 1200-1300 paged medical history. There is genuine concern amongst Americans as to the total weight of these two tickets. I believe that, should Sarah Palin lose badly to Joe Biden, this election could be over.

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pgai — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:38:07 GMT

In my opinion: Obama won the debate! Obama LOOKED like a President and leader. He listened to what McCain had to say. He announced when McCain said things that were false, and I believe he did it in the best way possible based on the amount of time alotted. He explained in some details not only what he would do, but also why. McCain wanted to talk about war and veterans. I still believe that the sar and servicemen are the only issue. Don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for everyone that serves in the military and I feel indebted to those that serve for our country. In fact, my son is currently in the process of joining the Army ROTC. BUT, there is more to this election in this time of crisis in our country, that needs to be addressed, and I am confident that Obama feels comfortable with all the issues. Obama has announced his standing on people in the military many times and he too, wants to do more to help the men and women serving and those that are veterans. I didn't like McCain's body language, he didn't look at Obama, he didn't speak to Obama when they shook hands before the debate, Obama had to chase him down to shake his hand after the debate, and who was he talking to, he very seldom looked into the camera. McCain's "Obama doesn't understand" looked like McCain didn't know what else to say. It is very obvious that there is very little or nothing that Obama doesn't understand - he is brilliant and he is on track with what is going on and what is needed to make this country respected again. Sorry, you got it wrong. Obama won this debate.

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waterspirit — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:38:17 GMT

McCain had a great strategy. I saw it immediately too. He would bait Obama with a lie that showed something negative about Obama, which Obama would then have to correct before he could move on. To say that MCCain won because he was throwing lies at Obama might be true. However, why in the world would I want a man that does that to be President? I was very impressed with Obama's demeanor and integrity. All McCain showed me was that he could be even more offensive and stupid than he already has shown so frequently. Obama wins on integrity, insight, and honor.

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olive leaves — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:38:20 GMT

Exactly, aunkmaa. This entire financial debacle started when the Democrats, before Clinton and then more agressively by Clinton, consistently voted to dergulate the lending institutions forcing them to lend to people who could not afford it. Thank you Barney Frank, and your cronies. I remember in the 70s when we all wanted to buy houses, we had to prove to the bank that our monthly income was 4-5 TIMES the monthly mortgage or we did not get the loan! Not exactly what we have seen lately...the Democrats, in their "fairness and wisdom" wanted to be "fair" to the lower classes and let everyone buy a house. They could even count their welfare check as part of their income for the bank to assess their qualifications for a home loan! Please!!

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173rdairborne — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:39:14 GMT

In the current state of our country, it's obvious that we need a leader with sound judgement and a clear plan. McCain demonstrated that he's not that person. He talks about all his foriegn trips and all the foriegn dignitaries who he's met, BUT, with all that wealth of experience, look at his positions on the most important issues of our times. With all his experience, he thinks that Deregulation was a good thing, he believes that trickle down economics is a good thing, not talking to nations that dissagree with our positions is a good thing, not providing health care for all Americans is a good thing, not making our children competitive in a global market is a good thing, not paying a woman the same as a man for performing the same job is a good thing, and not making sure that our veterans recieve the same benefits that he enjoyed is a good thing. I respect Sen McCain's service to our nation. I too am a Viet Nam era veteran, but being a POW doesn't qualify you to lead a nation. McCain voted with W 90% of the time. If you chartered a boat to take you and your family on an outing, and the captain of that vessel sailed you and your family into a dangerous storm (like Iraq, Deregulation, etc.), would you jeapardize the lives of your family again by hiring the same charter boat captain next vacation? Experience is sometimes overated! Michael Phelps, Michael Jordan, Abraham Lincoln, Martin L King, Bill Gates, had God given gifts that made them excel over the more experienced. Ask yourself this question---IF YOU REQUIRED HEART SURGERY, WOULD YOU WANT THE OLDEST SURGEON OR THE MOST GIFTED ONE? Someone said that insane behavior is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. It's time for the voters to put country first, because after watching that debate, it's crystal clear that Sen McCain is putting his corporate alliances first. How can you say that you LOVE America, and select someone as inexperienced as Sarah Palin to be next in line for the presidency of the country you love. I liked the OLD MCCAIN, the one who existed before he let himself be corrupted by the Karl Rove style of politics. He should have been elected in 2000, but his time is over and his opportunity lost! AND THAT'S REAL 'STRAIGHT TALK'!

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tonyzito — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:39:50 GMT

Romano looks old enough to maybe deliver newspapers, but not to write for them. His hilarious musings about why voters saw the debate differently from reporters stems from the very cause of that effect: journalists have their heads so far up Washington's butt that they are trying to see in the dark. They can no longer tell that a man who starts cooing about mothers and bracelets and 688 brave soldiers that he so solemnly met with is a fraud and a jackass, but on Nov. 4 somewhere between 52 and 55 percent of voters will tell it like it is. Barack Obama is in a war to liberate the United States, and may God grant him victory.

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couger67 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:40:48 GMT

Both candidates have validity in thier speech. John McCain voted 80% in approval with the current administation and Obama with all his "experience", never once in his career took on his own party and helped amass millions in wasteful spending. Hmmm, who should i look to for true leadership? Mr. McCain:War hero, ex-pow, knows strategic ways of avoiding and finishing conflict or Mr. Obama: looks for pretty words to complete the sentence, too worried about Palin, community organizer...i'll let Obama run my kids' bake sale.

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PDX brewer — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:41:29 GMT

GIve me a break, obama has to agree with mccain on some issues because mccain is on every side of every issue. The guy is truly unhinged, he was against the AIG bailout, now he is for it. He was going to washington and not going to leave until a bailout deal was reached and was going to miss the debate, no deal done and mccain still debates. One guy up there looked presidential and calm and the other guy kept with personal attacks and refused to look his opponent in the eye. Mccain overreacts to everything and ends up changing his mind constantly, obama is cool, calm and collected and doesn't panic

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LDKRN — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:42:35 GMT

"The mild consensus in the press file was that McCain won, if not in particularly dramatic fashion"

McCain certainly prevailed at being condescending, angry, and arrogant...if that's what you mean by won, I agree with you.

The only place I've seen the sentiment voiced that McCain "won" anything is here, so far. Most journalists are calling it a draw, while most polls of voters give a clear preference for Obama, although, as you said, not by an overwhelming margin.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

pgai — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:43:05 GMT

I think it is hillarious that Palin was invited to speak after the debate and turned down the invitation only to be replaced by Rudy Guilliani. The GOP really doesn't want her to appear by herself or speak when she might be heard. It is very obvious that McCain made a horrible choice on his VP pick. What kind of judgement does that reflect?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

edjones65 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:43:43 GMT

I thought both candidates did well. However, Obama was on the defensive most of the time with McCains aggressive posture constantly putting Obama on edge at times. I do not think McCain was able to affectively seperate himself from the Bush admin( 4 more years) as Obama pressed him on that, I thought Obama did really well there in pointing that out. Obama I felt carried himself as a very dignified statesman and was quite smooth for the most part, I felt that he was more convincing as being a leveled headed player. The only problem was his stance on >some< forign policy issues were weak at best and McCain was too aggressive, which I thought was just as dangerous. McCains experience is a major advantage. Sorry but when somebody like Bill Clinton comes out and says that the allegations that McCain was using the economic crisis as a political move was not true and vouched for McCain, that said a lot about McCains integrity and the respect that he has earned. So I feel Obama's lack of experience is definitely a major strike against him when compared to McCain( if a republican came out to support Obama in any way I might believe he could reach across party lines to make things happen as the next president will have to be able to do). I was impressed by Obama to say the least just not convinced yet that he could lead us in a new direction, He has given me reason to pause and look and I am eager to see what happens next. I worry too about going through four more years of the "SOS", but McCain is not Bush and I think McCain is quite capable of thinking for himself even though so many suggests that he can't is unfair and untrue. I am definitely going to keep my eyes and ears open on Obama, he made a lot of sense and his intentions are noble and it is worth considering, I am just not convinced that Obama is worth the gamble yet.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Abots22 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:44:02 GMT

Pretty difficult to tell who Mr. Romano is voting for. Any undecided who actually watched the debate last night instead of read the transcripts would have seen that McCain looked like a man debating with an inexperienced boy. McCain held his own when it came to the economy (1/3 of the debate) and absolutely had Obama on his heels during the entire remainder of the debate concerning foreign policy. It actually looked like Obama was figuring out his positions on stage after listening to McCain speak, kind of like he did when Russia attacked Georgia.

The fact that the the mainstream media has a "mild consensus" that McCain won is actually the laughable part to me and proves more over that yes, the media is still bias towards Obama. For what reason I have no idea.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

jdmartz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:44:20 GMT

Obama won hands down. Of the two, he was clearly the leader; in voice, in polish, in focus and in content. McCain came across as immature if not infantile. I have to wonder what Romano has been smoking.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

doneresearch — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:44:58 GMT

So.. McCain's 'posture was stiff' and he had a 'tense smirk' on his face? This is a result of his injuries from the torture he suffered in Nam. It must have been uncomfortable if not painful to stand at the podium for so long. And he was 'lying' because he didn't look at Obama during the debate? In classic debate form, all comments are addressed to the moderator. And if anyone was disrespectful, it was Obama for referring to Sen. McCain as 'John'. Obama must remember, he is still considered a Junior Senator, and in a formal setting such as a debate, you do not use first names.

Now, Obama keeps blaming Bush, ergo McCain, for the financial crisis, the war, and everything else under the sun and moon. But with the Republican president, we've had a Democratic majority in Congress, which is the law-making body of government. They are just as responsible for the state the country is in. If Obama is such a 'great leader', he could have led the Dems to correct mistakes over the past years, instead of sitting back and laying blame elsewhere.

Actually listen to the words, the policies.. and stop listening to media soundbytes. Do the research! And you will have to see that Sen. McCain is the better choice.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

AmericaforObama — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:45:25 GMT

bluesea66

All of tghe problems that we have today were caused by the republican rubber stamp house and congress of Delay and Hassert from 2002 to 2006. They are the congress that passsed all the deregulation that got us into this mess. The Nancy Pelosi congress has tried to passed legislation that would have helped allevaite some of these issues but Bush veoted it and the standing republicans stood with him. Everybody know this so cut the BS will you. TYour like a borken record of lies just like McCain. Its time for a change . Vote Obama/Biden we will begin to undue thee mess that degegultion and outsourcing have caused.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

cm4297 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:45:42 GMT

McCain, thanks for possibly violating one of our allies Spain by defining them as a "failed stated." Perhaps you should update the White House on this and they can update their websites for States to Watch or the Failed State Webpage. In addition, McCain could not even pronounce a foreign leader's name. I'm sorry, it is okay for the average American to not be able to pronounce certain names, but when you have to conduct business, you must know EVERYONE'S name. I have not heard one liberal commentator speak on this. Why does Obama have to appear as an angry person to be a winner? Is it because we lack so much education until people believe that the average American is moved by irrational emotion only? I think that's an insult.

This message is approved by a Republican smart enough to vote for Obama.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

reezel — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:46:14 GMT

Journalists should not be "telling" people who won, rather, like MSMBC put up a poll for people to vote. Note taht almost 800,000 have already participated with Obama leading with over 50%. The difference is that our press has learned to judge by gottcha and not rethoric, bearing, and temprement.

My suggestion is for the press to relearn how to deal with issues, how to measure temprement, and how to consider complete sentences.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Peter Timber — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:46:18 GMT

............while I am waiting for the Blogger to "moderate" my comments, I should add the the VP candidate Palin was a Madison Avenue ploy to shock the masses whom the McCain people consider to be asses. I just saw a documentary about a highway to nowwhere built in Alaska costing 8 million dollars a mile leading up to a bridge that is never being built because it made the light of day and public scrutiny. Imagine her with her fingers on the button and her moose hunting trigger fingers!!!!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

Husker84 — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:46:24 GMT

As the son of a longshoreman, i would give the match to McCain. However as the son of a dancer, I would give the contest to Obama. McCain was more agressive, knew the material, and kept Obama on the defensive much of the time. Obama was cordial, presidential, and in command of the issues. In the end, McCain came across as angry, condescending and insolent. Unfortunately for Angry McSame, style points will matter.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

smartergirl — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:46:33 GMT

There is nothing more frightening than the folks who are drinking the Kool-Aid and who are mesmerized by an empty-suit messiah. When I ask people, tell me specifically why and how you can even think of electing Osama, they can only say “change”. Whoa, hang on to your shorts people, that brand of change can be your gravest mistake. If you want less change in your pocket, Stalinism to be back in fashion, and to lose your second amendment right to bear arms (hence you will lose your first amendment right to free speech as our forefathers were smart enough to know that you don’t have the first amendment without the second amendment), then go ahead and pull the lever for Barrack Hussein Osama.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

jmcsp0ob — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:48:56 GMT

nyctiygirl4ever- it is time you consider moving to Brazil where they forgive your debts.

I'm going to stick it out as a proud lowly mid-class Amercian born citizen where my parents instilled self responsibility and keeping spending to what I can afford. I'm proud to have learned and applied those economic principles. I'f you don't and I have to pay for you, you will be dragging other hard workers down. If you want to redistribute your wealth, get liquic and start passing out your cash to all Obama supporters who have their hands out. Then tell me who you work for if you have a job. And just for your mean satisfaction, I have been discriminated in the workplace many times, and when I went back to school to re-equip myself with skills that will take me to the end of my working days.... because I am a single, white woman, English speaking, and with excellent credit. Therefore I paid my own way. I have one of those "student loans". Would you like to pay it off for me so I can take a vacation after working while getting that second degree? And would have been proud for the diverse student population of males- all nationalities, black and hispanic women who bragged about having their admission fees waved and a free ride in college. So I paid for my tuition and many others. So we can agree on at least one point, "it takes a village". Will you join the village????

Good luck in Brazil!

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

quasqueton — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:49:13 GMT

Good Heavens, boyoo - Politicians lie sometimes??? Oh No - tell me it's not the truth! Please, oh Please! Hmmmm - all women will be STUPID ENOUGH? Kind of shows where you are coming from - where are you coming from?

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

maddoc — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:49:48 GMT

Anyone who is saying that Obama won clearly did not watch the debate. McCain had Obama on the defense the entire time. McCain's enthusiasm and pride for our nation was evident... Obama's, not so much. I still have yet to understand why anyone would vote for a socialist, especially a sociliast with such inexperience. Better yet, I still have absolutely no idea why anyone would want to be a democat.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

xeyeldinTX — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:50:12 GMT

Foreign Policy is suppose to McCain's strength and as such he should have been able to blow Obama out. He did not do so. Obama showed he could stand toe to toe with John on the issues and moreover do it with grace, polish, and clarity. I would say they performed very evenly, but given the onus on McCain and his failure to completely dominate, the evening goes to Obama.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

agnstheflow — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:50:52 GMT

Of course if your brainwashed by the liberal dominance of the news like most of this country...Obama won. Last night we saw the real McCain speak without the issues instead of having the news twisting his words to make him seem incompetent like they do even more so to Bush.

About McCain’s attitude…..If I was him I’d probably act the same way toward Obama. Obama seems like such a nice person …on the surface anyway. However, he’s been portrayed as our “savior” and even “worshiped” by the uninformed youth of this country when he’s done absolutely nothing to deserve it. He seems to put himself on the level of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and even OMG even Abraham Lincoln???? He’s taking credit for doing thing’s he’s only promised so far on his “blueprint for change” (which I read by the way). (I couldn’t seem to find anything about his ideas on abortion…that’s funny.) I’m angrier about the way he’s been portrayed by the media, screaming fan girls, and his Stalinesque posters of himself then I’m angry with the man himself. When people know you’ve had plenty of Communist influence in you political life…making yourself look like Joseph Stalin doesn’t help. These things make him seem like a joke. And that’s probably the reason for the look on McCain’s face.

About their change in policy in reaction to the wall street bailout….Obama says he’s going to put a hold on some of his energy programs. McCain doesn’t need to change his policies….He was already planning to purge Washington of the pork. (Bear DNA research).

Looking at other articles on Government pork CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson wrote in her article” Oink! Book Has Congress' Biggest Porkers” about Hilary Clinton and Barak Obama “both have a healthy load of earmarks going this year - nearly $300 million worth for Clinton and nearly $100 million for Obama.

Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate for president, simply doesn't do earmarks.”

This debate wasn’t boring to me. I was waiting to hear Obama say something substantial to ease my worries of him actually becoming president. But all I heard was empty words and promises going on and on and on. It was refreshing to finally hear McCain speak.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

sixhandicap — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:51:27 GMT

To use a common phrase used by many Obama supporters "Obama was bitch slapped"

Obama said on many times John (intentional disrespect calling him John) is right, John is right, John is right

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

rsviking — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:51:30 GMT

I would like to ask business owners who are supporting Obama this question. Would you turn your business over to a person with less than 10 years experience, even though they may have a good looking resume but have no experience in your type of business? Probably not. Then why would you even consider turning our country over to someone with no experience whatsoever. Our country is facing some of its toughest challenges both home and abroad since WWII and we are going to need a proven, experienced President. Think about it before you vote and quit following the democratic media machine Obama.

re: McCain Won. But Will It Matter?

dmspeech — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:51:59 GMT

To say that McCain won at a debate that involved foreign policy, which is his forte, by telling canned stories and rattling off names of countries and leaders is ridiculous. He babbled like an old man telling grandsons stories. It appeared to me that he just wanted to fill time by saying words and NOT saying anything. He had low expectations on his area of expertise?

Obama, on the other hand, knew as much as McCain, if not more, and put it in concise terms that sounded that he was definitely capable of leading.

Body language? One man standing listening intently, looking concerned. One man hunched over the podium, cursing under his breath (I read lips), and making faces. Not even close.