Factcheck.org: Loose with the Truth in St. Louis

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cani77 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:10:19 GMT

In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.

I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.

Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years

is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.

The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.

The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".

That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.

It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.

Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.

Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.

No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.

It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be

even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined

If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.

When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.

So why are the polls even close then ?

The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

31 states are voting now, dont wait

Elect Obama Biden 2008

Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

re: Factcheck.org: Loose with the Truth in St. Louis

Distressed American — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:31:30 GMT

Pols never stop lying. They think Americans are idiots and sadly many are.

You state the lie, morons repeat it, it becomes accepted as if it were a fact.

Unfortunately people in this country just accept that "All politicians lie." and do nothing to stop them. As if all that lying is alright with them.

Some days I wonder if we are not doomed. Especially on days when I see people talking about voting for a candidate because they seem like someone that they would like to have a beer with, Having beer buddies is great. But, none of mine are qualified to be president.

H.L. Menken was right that we will eventually elect perfect morons. Other morons relate to them. We truely do get the government we deserve.

Did we learn nothing from the last eight years?

http://blog.seedsofdoubt.com/

re: Factcheck.org: Loose with the Truth in St. Louis

HappyDay41 — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:39:16 GMT

You missed one:

Factcheck: Biden claimed that Article 1of the US Constitution addressed the office of the Executive branch.

WRONG

Article 1 specifically addresses the Lagislative Branch. Article III covers the Exec.

(How does he uphold a document he doesn't understand?/??)

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rwethereyet — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:08:49 GMT

You missed ANOTHER "FACT"...Biden is Suppose to be the "experienced Washington insider debater" and Palin is the "New kid on the block". I'd say that makes her the Big Winner of last night's debate against the "experienced" Joe Biden!

You go Sarah!

McCain and Palin '08

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rwethereyet — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:10:24 GMT

OBAMA IS NOT WRIGHT FOR AMERICA!!

Dangerous Economic Plan

And then there are Obama’s dangerous economic plans for America.

He wants to almost double the capital gains tax. He wants to strip the FICA tax cap off every worker making more than $97,500. He wants to increase the dividend tax. He wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire — giving almost every American family an automatic tax increase.

He has called for more than $800 billion in new spending programs.

He is so radical he even backed driver’s licenses for illegal aliens — even though such a move would help future terrorists move freely in the United States.

He is the most pro-abortion candidate in the history of the country. In 2001, as a state legislator in Illinois, he opposed a bill to protect live born children — children actually born alive! He was the only Illinois senator to speak out against the bill.

He opposes gun rights. He has long history of trying to deny ordinary citizens access to guns.

He originally backed Washington D.C.’s total ban on private handguns — a ban that was overturned. The NRA rated him an “F” on gun positions and says he is one of the most dangerous anti-gun politicians in the nation.

Never forget that Obama is a Harvard educated elitist. To him we Americans are simply “bitter” and he has mocked us saying “[they] cling to their guns and their religion.”

MCCAIN AND PALIN '08

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Distressed American — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:40:17 GMT

"Dangerous economic plan"?

Have you not seen what Republican plans for the economy have done to us???

Republican economics have bankrupted this nation. Worse it has resulted in a new debt number of 11.3 trillion dollars (more than half of which wa created under Bush) which we will be paying on for decades. Where the heck have you been for the last eight years?

Republican economics are worse that bad. They are an outright theft of money from the middle and lower classes to line rich pockets. It was intentional what they did. They call it "trickle down" economics. Of course the last eight years had utterly discredited that nonsense. The gap between the rich and poor is now as large as it has been since the great depression. If you are rich, I can see why you like these disasterous policies. If you are anything else, you should really go buy a clue.

As to the rest of your post, do I really need to start listing the damage done to this nation by Bush and his Republican congressional buddies? Have you not been in the country or something?

He has shredded the Constitution, made us a torture state, invaded a country that didn't pose any threat to us, totally mismanaged that war costing countless lives both American and Iraqi, took his eye off of the ball where Al Qaeda actually lives and plans their attacks, let Bin Laden escape Tora Bora, left hundreds to drown (or dehydrate to death) as a maor US city was swamped, and destroyed our economy. And that is just a short list. A complete list would take hours.

Wake up. You are being screwed and arguing for more of it. No one is listening to you. But, you are still trying to screw us all anyway.

The good news is that the country finally woke up and will throw you out of power soon eough. I can't wait to laugh at you righties as you whine for the coming years. It is the least you deserve considering what you have put this country through.

http://blog.seedsofdoubt.com/

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TomTraubert — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:23:58 GMT

Once again, Romano, you have copied and pasted erroneous and dishonest information from Factcheck. I am beginning to question your judgement and your credibility in relying unquestionably on FactCheck.org, who it seems has trouble reading at a high school level.

FactCheck says: "Biden claimed that McCain said in a magazine article that he wanted to deregulate the health care industry as the banking industry had been. That’s taking McCain’s words out of context. As we’ve said before, he was talking specifically about his proposal to allow the sale of health insurance across state lines. "

And from the transcript:

BIDEN:"As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry deregulate it and let the free market move like he did for the banking industry."

Here's the relevant paragraph from McCain's article in Contingencies:

"I would also allow individuals to choose to purchase health

insurance across state lines, when they can find more affordable

and attractive products elsewhere that they prefer. Opening up

the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,

as we have done over the last decade in banking, would

provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by

the worst excesses of state-based regulation. Consumer-friendly

insurance policies will be more available and affordable when

there is greater competition among insurers on a level playing

field. You should be able to buy your insurance from any willing

provider—the state bureaucracies are no better than national

ones. Nationwide insurance markets that ensure broad and vigorous

competition will wring out excess costs, overhead, and

bloated executive compensation."

Here's the link to the article (it's a pdf)

www.contingencies.org/septoct08/mccain.pdf

Now, Senator Biden's statement is completely accurate. Completely accurate. McCain called for deregulation of health care markets, like the deregulation of the banking industry. Show me where Biden's statement is wrong, in any way.

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TomTraubert — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:37:23 GMT

FactCheck is misleading about

"Biden said five times that McCain's tax plan would give oil companies a "$4 billion tax cut." As we’ve noted previously, McCain’s plan would cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent — for ALL corporations, not just oil companies. Biden uses a Democratic think tank's estimate for what the rate change is worth to the five largest U.S. oil companies."

Okay, let's use our heads here. McCain's plan would cut the corporate tax rate. Check. Oil companies are corporations. Check. The top five oil companies' would save 4 billion dollars under the plan to lower the corporate tax rate. Check.

How is Biden's statement wrong? It is correct. Even FactCheck SAYS that in their statement. How can what Biden says be wrong while everything he says is correct? All in the same paragraph? Do-ohhh!

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TomTraubert — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:57:17 GMT

FactCheck claims that

"Biden said that Iraq had an "$80 billion surplus." The country was once projected to have as much as a $79 billion surplus, but no more. The Iraqis have $29 billion in the bank, and could have $47 billion to $59 billion by the end of the year, as we noted when Obama used the incorrect figure. A $21 billion supplemental spending bill, passed by the Iraqi legislature in August, knocked down the old projection."

The link to the GAO estimate is here (pdf)

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d081031.pdf

FactCheck's claims that the projections of that surplus are lower are without substantiation. There is no official lower estimate of Iraq's surplus, which was last reported September 3. FactCheck links to a USA article that discusses a supplemental spending bill but also details the unlikelihood of the spending to occur anytime this year. It appears to me that FactCheck just made up that lower number out of thin air, because they presented virtually no reliable reference for the estimate of surplus revised downward. That's dishonest and misleading.

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Bacalove — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:17:29 GMT

"For Sarah Palin, Thursday's night’s debate was an open-book exam. She spent much of the evening methodically reading and rehearsing answers from “carefully scripted talking points.” Palin’s notes were largely hidden from plain view, resting behind the lectern where she stood. Because the cable and network television stations did not show a split screen of the debate, most viewers could not see that, during Joe Biden’s answers, Palin spent almost all her time looking down and studiously reading her notes. But viewers did see that when Palin delivered her answers, she would repeatedly glance down to check her talking points. ThinkProgress has compiled a video documenting some of the instances where it was clear to the audience that Palin was propped up by written responses. Watch a video compilation."

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/03/palin-can-read/

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ik.nha.tun@gmail.com — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:26:44 GMT

From "Fact of the Matter

http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

Senator Obama has never deceived us into thinking that 'CHANGE' comes easy. I remember in one debate Senator Clinton mockingly, saying to Senator Obama About the Special Interest, "What do you think, the special interest is just going to go away?" We found this week that that's true enough. This week we learned that even though John McCain was speaking against Greed, Corruption, Special Interest, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, He even introduced a a Propaganda ad where he tried to tie Franklin Reines former CEO of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to Barack Obama.

That one slid off like butter slides off Teflon. Then, it would seem CARMA had a lesson for McCain about Lying so freely. The NY times and Newsweek printed a story tying Rick Davis, McCains Campaign Manager to...

FREDDIE MAC AND FANNIE MAY UP UNTIL ONE MONTH AGO.....

Two reports tonight, one from the New York Times, and the other from Newsweek, contradict John McCain's statement this week that his campaign manager Rick Davis had no involvement with mortgage giant Freddie Mac for the last several years. The Times reports:

One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain's campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis's firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said...

...On Sunday, in an interview with CNBC and The New York Times, Mr. McCain responded to a question about Mr. Davis's role in the advocacy group through 2005 by saying that his campaign manager "has had nothing to do with it since, and I'll be glad to have his record examined by anybody who wants to look at it."

Newsweek confirms the story:

Freddie Mac had previously paid an advocacy group run by Davis, called the Homeownership Alliance, $30,000 a month until the end 2005, when that group was dissolved. That relationship was the subject of a New York Times story Monday, which drew angry denunciations from the McCain campaign. McCain and his aides have vehemently objected to suggestions that Davis has ties to Freddie Mac-an especially sensitive issue given that the Republican presidential candidate has blamed "the lobbyists, politicians and bureaucrats" for the mortgage crisis that recently prompted the Bush administration to take over both Freddie Mac and its companion, Fannie Mae, and put it under federal conservatorship.

But neither the Times story -- nor the McCain campaign -- revealed that Davis's firm, the Washington, D.C. based lobbying firm Davis Manafort, continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month-long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated. The two sources, who requested anonymity discussing sensitive information, told Newsweek that Davis himself approached Freddie Mac in 2006 and asked for a new consulting arrangement that would allow his firm to continue to be paid. The arrangement was approved by Hollis McLoughlin, Freddie Mac's vice president for external relations, because "he [Davis] was John McCain's campaign manager and it was felt you couldn't say no," said one of the sources. [McLoughlin did not return phione calls. Can Somebody say "MCCAINS CAUGHT UP".

I DON'T WANT TO END THIS POST ON CROOKS AND LIARS....

I do want to end this on a HIGH POINT...Senator Obama is a Awesome Man READY TO LEAD An Awesome Nation. I personally believe he is a man God has raised up for our Nation at this particular time. I know my conservative right wing brothers and sisters would fight with me over this point. Just remember I also have a Biblical Seminary partial education. So if you come, please come with the facts. Remember, I believe in God and I do not see him in a box. He is CREATION in my eyes. So Yes, I believe He still uses men in history at his deemed appropriate times. Men of Character, Honor,Love, and Integrity of heart.

Time and again McCain ask this question, "...Is He Ready To Lead.." He's never asked US the American Constituency, Are we ready to lead? After all it is written, "Government for the people and by the people." To this I"m sure we would all say

YES WE CAN!!!!! YES WE CAN!!!!! YES WE CAN!!!!!!!