Will Race Matter?

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orion12 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:29:51 GMT

As someone who mixes with all types of people and understand race dynamics, some people will vote for Obama because he has impressed them. Some will be impressed but will NOT vote for him because he is black. Some will say they will not vote for him but will do so in hiding. This is just the fact of life.

What is important to note is that Obama has touched many people in different ways. He is respected and admired by people of all races. Some whites are upset that because of his race other whites will not vote for him. These whites become very intense and will vote in his favor. Some blacks will not vote for Obama because they see him as different from them. (There is a certain element of jealousy there too). Many blacks who would not have voted for Jesse Jackson will vote for Obama because they are comfortable with his approach. They are also very proud of how he has portrayed himselves.

The final deal is that he will get voted for by many people of all races, not because of his blackness, but because they admire what he has achieved despite he is a black person. There are many white folks in America who want to see a black person succeed. They are passionate about it. This number is increasing rapidly.

The main reason for this is that people are seeing Obama as a PERSON who can put America on its feet again as well as help to bridge the gap between races.

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votenic — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:10:05 GMT

And there is a new forum at http://www.votenic.com so see what America thinks.

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madison2 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:50:13 GMT

those who will not vote for obama becaues he's black remember. all those times and years black's voted for white men. his color didn't matter to them so why should obama's color matter to you.you're voting for what is right. on november 4th.god love's obama he doesn't care about his color so why should you.he's black and white .

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brandonjim — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:20:55 GMT

those who choose not to vote for obama on the basis of his race are the remenance of the ignorance that continues to plague this country. however, unlike the 50's and 60's, they are now the minority and hopefully will become extinct. obama is of mixed origins as most americans are. we have come to far as a nation of people that do not choose a leader because of race, religion or political affiliation. those that have chose to attack obama because of his race are not afraid of him as a black man, but, an inteligent man that proved that you can make without having to be born with that silver spoon in your mouth. or married to one?

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Sam10 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:37:47 GMT

Can this question be asked in different light. I'm sure if someone went into a black majority and asked why they are voting for Obama, the response would not be based on executive experience, strong knowledge of foreign affairs or how much legislature he has created in the senate. The issue that should be strong is the minds of Americans is that Obama is dangerous. The only way to see Obama is to view him in the light of day. Your parents tell you to behave and stay clear of trouble. That is what Obama has not learned. He says so himself. Obama looks for radical political positions, disenchanted poeple, and has grown a tolerance for anti- American positions. Now this does not mean he is not American. This should just reinforce the fact that he is not fit to be president.

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tiredoflies — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:40:04 GMT

After the recent McCain/Palin rallys, and the radical behavior and unrest they are trying to incite, it looks like McCain/Palin are actually becoming the very people they decry.

THEY, THEMSELVES, ARE ACTUALLY BECOMING THE RADICALS

And for the old republican on TV at a McCain/Palin (so called) rally in Wisconsin who said he was mad yesterday, we are mad too.

WE ARE MAD AS HELL AT WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

And, again, to the guy in Wisconsin, (and I hope you are reading this) it was very apparent what you actually said.

You said WE ARE ACTUALLY IN DANGER OF A BLACK MAN WINNING THIS ELECTION AND BECOMING PRESIDENT.

I am a member of this clowns generation, but I most certainly DO NOT share his views and hatred.

I really hope lots of young people join the rest of us in voting this time because they are largely unbiased and unaffected by this culture of racism from the past. They represent the future.

It is time to end this in America and put all of this garbage behind us. And, as is evident in these recent McCain/Palin rallies, there are two candidates in this campaign who will work to make that happen.

Obama/Biden

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dunnhaupt — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:02:59 GMT

No white person living in a Southern town would confess to a white pollster that he is voting for a black candidate. Call it reverse Bradley-effect or what have you.

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NewAmerica — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:29 GMT

I am almost 58 years old and my husband is 65 years old and we are voting for Obama. Not becasuse he is black but because he is the best choice. McCain has become a danger to our country and himself. WE NEED CHANGE

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mjkoch — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:12:16 GMT

If someone did not vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary does that mean they are sexist? If they did not vote for Joe Biden in the primary does that mean they are anti-Catholic? If anyone, for whatever reason, raises a legitimate criticism of Obama they are immediately branded a racist. Does that show we have come far as a nation??

If a white candidate had the associations Obama had the country would find him repugnant and he wouldn't even get his party's nomination. Every time a decent person has commented on Obama's sitting in a church for twenty years and listening to his pastor spout vile anti American hatred and anti-semitism the person asking how Obama stood by for twenty years and kept silent is branded a racist.

When Hillary and Bill Clinton commented about Obama's associates they were called racists despite the fact that both Clinton's have done more for African Americans than Obama ever has done.

Obama responds to the Ayers association by claiming that he was eight years old when Ayers carried out the bombings in America but Obama fails to mention that on 911, in 2001, Ayers stated he regretted he did not do more bombings.

If John McCain kicked off his campaign at the home of someone who bombed Black church's in the South and declared he regretted he did not do more where do you think the White Liberal media would be in terms of this story?? If McCain sat in a church for twenty years and listened to his pastor slam America and Blacks where do you think the liberal white media would be?

Silent? I think not.

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snowwhitemother — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:44:52 GMT

Bottom line, whoever not vote for Obama, is racist!!!!

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wend2300 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:47:19 GMT

Isn't Obama mixed? I agree with the people who say that if you are voting because of color you are just an ignoant person. However there will be many who vote that way and it is sad. I am voting for the one who can lead this country and has experience. I feel like there will always be a conspriacy if Obama doesn't just another excuse for people to whine about the "MAN".

McCain/Palin

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Nowforthetruth — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:57:10 GMT

Even Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats’ protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE

The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

Then there is the Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher J. Dodd who allegedly got special mortgage deals from Countrywide, who gave preferential rates to 'friends' of company's chairman.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25140560/

For an interesting article purporting to detail the House Financial Services Committee Chairs long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

"House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive."

The link below describes how some in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

And then there is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who allegedly has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband's real estate and investment firm.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm.

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Nowforthetruth — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:57:39 GMT

Obama Formerly Represented ACORN, Taught Classes For Future Leaders Of ACORN, And They Endorsed His 2008 Presidential Campaign:

Obama Directed Project Vote And Later Taught Classes For "Future Leaders Identified By ACORN And The Centers For New Horizons." "He [Obama] says he is drawn to politics, despite its superficialities, as a means to advance his real passion and calling: community organization. ... In 1992 Obama took time off to direct Project Vote, the most successful grass-roots voter- registration campaign in recent city history. Credited with helping elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate, the registration drive, aimed primarily at African-Americans, added an estimated 125,000 voters to the voter rolls -- even more than were registered during Harold Washington's mayoral campaigns. 'It's a power thing,' said the brochures and radio commercials. ... Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side." (Hank De Zutter, Op-Ed, "What Makes Obama Run?" ChicagoReader, 12/8/95)

Obama Was Part Of Team Of Lawyers Who Represented ACORN In A Suit Against The State Of Illinois. "Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters." (Mike Robinson, "Obama Got Start In Civil Rights Practice," The Associated Press, 2/20/07)

ACORN's Political Action Committee Endorsed Obama. "[A]CORN's political action committee endorsed Barack Obama for President. ... The endorsement reflects a belief that Obama -- who worked as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago -- understands that change must come from the ground-up, as part of a working coalition, rather than from position papers." (Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Op-Ed, "ACORN: Obama Gets It," The Nation, 2/23/08)

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/rnc-obama--acorn-fact/story.aspx?guid=%7B29569FA1-136D-4B95-9D51-4EF9E87ED547%7D&dist=hppr

CNN Reports Acorn Faking Voter Registrations:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html?iref=newssearch

The link below describes how some liberal Democrats in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See: Wall Street Journal

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Nowforthetruth — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:57:58 GMT

THE ACORN PROBLEM

Obama's Campaign Paid Over $800,000 To ACORN For Get-Out-The-Vote Efforts, But "Mistakenly Misrepresented" Their Work To The FEC:

Obama's Campaign "Paid More Than $800,000" To ACORN For Get-Out-The Vote Efforts; The Campaign Originally "Misrepresented" The Group's Work To The FEC. "U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports. An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in 'get-out-the-vote' projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary." (David M. Brown, "Obama To Amend Report On $800,000 In Spending," Pittsburgh Tribune Review, 8/22/08)

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Melaninmama — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:00:50 GMT

McCain has shown abysmal judgement with his selection of Palin. Her close association with Todd Palin, a "former" member of the Alaska Independence Party makes her guilty of the very thing she so shrilly accuses Obama of. If advocating the overthrow of this nation, the removal of the flag is not treason then what is. What I find particularly galling is the lack of coverage of the Palin's subversive recent actions.

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Frustrated in Alaska — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:04:04 GMT

I am glad to finally see a report covering this issue. All that I had seen up to this point, had discussed the "Bradley Effect" and I had found myself thinking as this article points out, that just the opposite was the more likely scenario. Most would say more openly that they supported McCain, but then in the privacy of the voting booth, would vote for Obama. That is the way I see this election playing out. Thank you for an informative article.

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grjen — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:04:07 GMT

I would be glad to vote for an African American if I thougth that he was qualified for the job of presidency. The fact is Obama is not qualified and frankly lacks the moral fiber that I think the president of the free world needs. Anyone who believes in killing unborn babies, won't put his hand on his heart as a sign of patriotism, doesn't know the time that life begins (conception), and won't really state what he believes (as far as religion) has no business sitting in the most powerful seat in the country. If he was white I would say the same thing. He is such a liar, I can't believe the ignorance of the American people in believing the garbage that he contiunes to throw at them. Black, white, purple, green, blue, orange, yellow....I would not vote for Barack Obama!!! Do you really think this man is truthful, can he be trusted...NO!! I just pray that God will somehow change the hearts and minds of the people following Obama...He is a narcissistic, deceiver who only cares about how much power he can have over this country and I can't believe the people of the greatest country in the world are giving him that power.

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BrotherLou — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:09:43 GMT

The beauty of the Democratic process is that in the end it is the consensus that matters. McCain and Palin, will be hard pressed to change the concesus against Obama who has opened up his heart to America in two books and over two years of campaigning.

Whatever his influences have been in the past, when someone has received the amount of exposure Obama has received by now, helped by the curiosity factor, and the appeal of something new; when someone has received that amount of exposure, it is difficult to convince people that they don't know someone better than what others say about him. This is what McCain and his croneys have failed to realise.

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bluebloodedLV — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:09:50 GMT

Anyone who is not voting for Obama because he is black, was already going to vote republican anyway.

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bluebloodedLV — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:19:32 GMT

grjen:

You are worse than a racist because those things you noted in your post are not true. You have stated a response full of ignorance AND bigotry. You're misinformed about his vote on abortion. You're wrong about him not putting his hand over his heart (they were singing the national anthem - go to a baseball game and you will see only about half the people will have their hand over their heart. You put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegiance). You completely misunderstood his answer on when life begins - he was stating that he doesn't play God (like too many right wingers do). He has been a Christian and attending a Christian church for decades, his children are baptized Christian. And, no one has proven that he listened to Reverend Wright spew hate FOR 20 YEARS. There is one instance of Wright's sermon and no one has proven that Obama was there listening to it. So all of your reasons to reject Obama are based on lies and ignorance and are totally hypocritical if you would take the time, honor this great nation and become and informed voter. You haven't even taken the time to examine McCains associations, which are by far corrupt and very questionable. If you boil it down, your reasons have nothing to do with him being qualified. So who is ignorant?

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Jedidiah — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:23:26 GMT

I don't get what the problem is in stating you'd vote for Barack in part because he's black. The beauty of affirmative action is not that it gives a job to the undeserving, but rather that the diversity of the workplace is enhanced, and that new cultural understandings and new perspectives are brought in to the workplace, enhancing quality of life for all, and probably the economic bottom line.

There would be a problem if the *only* reason you were voting for Barack was because he was black. But because he's half African, he brings new perspectives into the highest office of the land, a new way of seeing. Because he's a man of colour, he's had experiences that the white hegemony can't relate to. Definitely, I am voting for Barack *in part* because he's black.

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mrzoid — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:25:21 GMT

So much speculation, and conjecture, and prediction; its all a bunch of crap. We will just have to wait and see. I agree, there will be a couple % of bigots who vote against Obama, but those people were going to vote for McCain anyway ( nothing against McCain, but a white bedsheet could have gotten those votes.). My guess is a very small portion of independents will get to the polls and say, "oh, i know i like Obama more, but he's black... guess i'll vote for McCain.". Once again though, i guess we have to wait and see. Enough of the articles about it though.

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bluebloodedLV — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:25:31 GMT

grjen:

You are worse than a racist because those things you noted in your post are not true. You have stated a response full of ignorance AND bigotry. You're misinformed about his vote on abortion. You're wrong about him not putting his hand over his heart (they were singing the national anthem - go to a baseball game and you will see only about half the people will have their hand over their heart. You put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegiance). You completely misunderstood his answer on when life begins - he was stating that he doesn't play God (like too many right wingers do). He has been a Christian and attending a Christian church for decades, his children are baptized Christian. And, no one has proven that he listened to Reverend Wright spew hate FOR 20 YEARS. There is one instance of Wright's sermon and no one has proven that Obama was there listening to it. So all of your reasons to reject Obama are based on lies and ignorance and are totally hypocritical if you would take the time, honor this great nation and become and informed voter. You haven't even taken time to become informed about McCain's corrupt associates (reverend/pastor Hagee, his entire campaign staff are lobbyists, he spent his 70th birthday on a yacht with a man who plead guilty to fraud and money laundering). If you boil it down, your reasons have nothing to do with him being qualified. So who is ignorant?

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Nowforthetruth — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:27:37 GMT

CNN Reports Acorn Faking Voter Registrations:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html?iref=newssearch

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TLR17 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:39:23 GMT

Hey GRJEN

What you stated is what every racist says "I vote for a black man but..." "Some of my best friends are black (I just can't remember their names" "This is a good place to raise children (no minorities)" I believe that John McCain forgot his flag pin at the first debate and maybe his second. You say Obama did not hold his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Since it was a picture and not a video, I could answer that the anthem was over and he put his hand down before the others. I don't know but it is a stupid reason to think he is anti-American. About lies, John McCain stated in his book that he has lied to get political points. He accuses Obama of being ambitous but states in his book the only reason he wanted to run for president in 2000 was not for ideology, not for the country but for his own ambition. Read his own words. Now he is trying to use words like terrorist and Obama together. His Fox friends confuse his name with Osama (on and accident - wink wink). Or they use his middle name of Hussein (terrorist - wink wink). By the way, King Hussein of Jordan is one of the most popular allies in the Middle East to the Americans. But Fox won't tell you that. By their stupid logic John McCain is a serial murderer because he has the same name as John Wayne Gacy. How assinine would it be to put an ad on TV with John McCain and John Wayne Gacy together and say "is there a connection?" About Obama's association with Ayers. Ayers was a 60's radical who never killed anyone. His actions have been condemned by Obama. He performed theses acts when Obama was 8. I don't think he called up 8-year-old Barack and asked him how to bomb targets. Ayers is now a higher respected professor at the University of Chicago and has been named Man of the year. Do you believe that a man can change? McCain has been tied to anti-Semetic groups and Neo-nazis. Now he may not have known about these people's view when he was "paling around" with them but do we call him n anti-semite or neo-nazi and judge him like that. You need to get your fact right and read a little.

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Artv — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:40:07 GMT

I think by the time the election day is here and since more than likely there will be no significant changes, people will for Obama, but keep it to themselves. McCain has only come across as a grumpy old man with no real plan and people are losing patience with Bush and the GOP including with McBush.

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Marty in Springfield — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:41:41 GMT

grjen you make an excellent point. I would like to know where in this country it is OK to actually say you oppose Obama. From what I have seen arround the counry and especially on the internet I can't find that place. As for me in disagreeing with pro Obama people I have been called, racist, a white supremist, a red neck and uneducated. As for the Bradley effect and all the other prognostications, I guess we will have to wait and see what Nov 4th has on store for us.

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Edward44 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:44:55 GMT

I think this will need to be evaluated after the election; there is still a lot of silent racism with people stating reasons other than race as to why they will not vote for Obama ( i.e like he is a Muslim - which he is not - look at his church with Rev Wriight a Christian Protestant sect)(.

I hope that those who vote against him because he is black are honest with themselves.

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Marty in Springfield — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:46:06 GMT

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clearthinker — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:47:58 GMT

Rev. John Hagee, who has been interviewed saying that Hitler was "a hunter doing God's work" endorses McCain. McCain embraces this endoresement, and in fact sought it out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html

McCain's "spiritual adviser" advocates a holy war with the goal of destroying Islam. McCain gladly accepts his endorsement.

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

Sarah Palin addresses the Alaska Independence Party, a known separatist group.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

How John McCain handles a financial crisis. Indeed, his record DOES speak for itself.

http://keatingeconomics.com/

Voters must ask themselves, who is the real John McCain (and Sarah Palin, for that matter)?

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Marty in Springfield — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:50:34 GMT

Hey TLR17,

Way to play the racist card. "THATS WHAT EVERY RACIST SAYS" What you really meen is that is what people say when they disagree with me, but to you if someone disagrees with you on Obama they are automatically racist. Allow me to give you an example.

Non Racist comment "I disagree with the platform Obama is running on"

Racist comment "I will not vote for a Black man"

Big difference buddy...big difference.

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TLR17 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:57:39 GMT

Hey you racist out there, i have a question - When is a black person too black for you? Do you just look at the color of his skin? Is Tiger Woods "black." I believe he is 3/8 black, 1/8 Native American and 1/2 Asian. But to all of you racist, he is black and could not play golf on many of your country club golf courses. Tiger Woods is a highly educated, gifted athlete who's skin is darker than most people. He is not a Black Panther, drug dealer, welfare dad or any of the stereotypes you like to envision of "blacks." Is Obama a "black man?" He is i/2 white and 1/2 African. He is a higher educated, intelligent, gifter politican with new ideas. I guess to you a man will never be judged by th content of his heart - only the color of his skin (Sorry Martin, some will never learn).

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Mirabhai — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:58:26 GMT

Marty --

You can easily find good company at a McCain or Palin rally, where mobs shriek abuse -- and even death threats -- at the mention of Obama's name, all with the apparent approval of the candidates. Get along to a rally, now, and have fun!

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whisky willy — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:02:20 GMT

All the talk about being a racist is really just a matter of opinion and no matter what anyone says will be with us untill the end of time. Throughout the history of the modern world bigatry and racial hated has been documented. In most cases it is prolonged, not by people of a diffderent race, but by individuals of the same race. I am white and have lived in areas where bigatry and racial hatred is rampant amoung themselves. I have also liveds amoung blacks where they are proud the be called Black Americans, not Afro Americans as some prefered to be called. They have no interest in being called African Americans just because sokme high self important black person says it's racist to be called black. If its racist to be call blacvk then its racist to be called white. Wanting to be called African American is like a WHITE WANTING TO BE CALLED ENGLISH AMERICAN. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE ARE ALL AMERICANS

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Nowforthetruth — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:05:10 GMT

CNN Reports Acorn Faking Voter Registrations:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html?iref=newssearch

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clearthinker — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:18:29 GMT

I think Republicans are treading a slippery slope if they want to persue the ACORN path.

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/main.htm

The bottom line is that McCain faces a double-digit deficit in most polls and is grasping at straws by assailing Obama's character and pre-emptively laying the groundwork for a lawsuit if the election is close (which it won't be) by claiming voter fraud BEFORE THE ELECTION. His stance on the issues most Americans are very concerned about is inferior to his opponent and he's resorting to scare tactics in a vain attempt to distract the populus.

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Marty in Springfield — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:27:10 GMT

TLR17 you totally miss the point. 1/8 1/4 3/8 what the hell is the difference when the person, be it Tiger Woods or Barack Obama says "I am Black" It is a fact that Barack Obama states he is black, it is all over the news and history that he (if elected) will be the first black President of the United States. Fine We all agree on that. My question to you is "what the hell gives you the right to call me racist when I simply say I dont agree with his platform. For Obama to implement $800B in New spending programs and also give 95% of us reduced income tax can not happen without an increase in the national debt , which he says he will not do. He just can't do what he says he is going to do. Soooo you tell me what the hell make me a racist"

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tiredoflies — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:33:03 GMT

After the recent McCain/Palin rallys, and the radical behavior and unrest they are trying to incite, it looks like McCain/Palin are actually becoming the very people they decry.

THEY, THEMSELVES, ARE ACTUALLY BECOMING THE RADICALS

And for the old republican on TV at a McCain/Palin (so called) rally in Wisconsin who said he was mad yesterday, we are mad too.

WE ARE MAD AS HELL AT WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

And, again, to the guy in Wisconsin, (and I hope you are reading this) it was very apparent what you actually said.

You said WE ARE ACTUALLY IN DANGER OF A BLACK MAN WINNING THIS ELECTION AND BECOMING PRESIDENT.

I am a member of this clowns generation, but I most certainly DO NOT share his views and hatred.

I really hope lots of young people join the rest of us in voting this time because they are largely unbiased and unaffected by this culture of racism from the past. They represent the future.

Obama/Biden

AND NOW, (10/10) MCCAIN'S NOCOLE WALLACE IS TRYING TO DEFEND THIS BEHAVIOR SAYING OBAMA IS ATTACKING MCCAIN SUPPORTERS!

BAZAAR OR WHAT? ... I THINK MCCAIN HAS REALLY LOST IT..

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bluebloodedLV — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:34:57 GMT

If someone claims they don't support Obama because of reasons that are not true, or because of reasons that are completely hypocritical and do not include the same criticism of McCains record, then they are racist or at best, ignorant (pretty much the same thing). You cannot sit here and say I don't like Obama because of who he associates with when McCain has equally questionable and offensive associates. It's hypocritical and you're masking your distaste/racism for/against Obama with lies and falsehoods. You're in denial.

If you can state the factual differences between the candidates as reasoning for your support of McCain, then you have a much more valid stance.

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clearthinker — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:39:10 GMT

Marty: Likewise, McCain's proposed $5K tax credit for healthcare is not in fact "budget neutral" as the RNC has claimed. The US Budget Watch (a nonpartisan group) estimates that the plan could increase the deficit up to $163B. In fact his tax policies overall stand to increase the deficit by $417 to $485B, compared to $360B for Senator Obama. And we won't even mention the a-little-too-close-to-socialism housing buyout he's endorsing.

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Marty in Springfield — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:44:33 GMT

Dear Cleartinker,

I can see that you have researched and know what you are talking about. But no one yet has answered my question here.

I want to hear from TRL17 on this one.

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OneTwoOneTwo — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:45:46 GMT

Something that goes ignored is that black people have overwhelmingly voted for democratic presidential candidates since at least the 1940's. If we are voting for a democratic presidential candidate that is black why should this be attributed to race. It also bears repearting that Obama is just as white as he is black. To the extent that he is labeled as being black as opposed to white, this is symptimatic of the fact that our society on almost all levels is dominated by white america. so anything or anyone that differs from the traditional notions of what it means to be white will be classified otherwise as different from the dominant part of society.

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OneTwoOneTwo — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:48:52 GMT

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OneTwoOneTwo — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:55:18 GMT

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atlbabes — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:02:01 GMT

Thank you...Black American vote Democratic...Period...doesn't matter the color...Obama could be a 3ft. green martian and you know what? If he's running under the Democratic ticket he'll still get the Black vote...

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conservativetoo — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:03:55 GMT

Folks, Please remember that God is conservative but he's not racist. Those of you who reject Obama, be sure you reject him for the right reasons and not because of his color. He didn't make himself, God did. Racism is hate ,hate is a sin and sin is a violation of God's laws for which God will punish us.

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Marty in Springfield — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:19:46 GMT

You are totally right Conservatietoo.

Still waiting for an answer to my question to TLR17

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simmyco — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:53:08 GMT

I feel sorry for those three men who exercised their rights to free speech at McCain's rally in Wisconsin recently. It's sad to see the evil elephant of racism raging around in the room, with no one capable, or willing to take control of it. The lone ranger black man standing in the front row looked out of place. He looked like a plant. It's only about race in this election because McCain and Palin have made it so. Can someone say landslide on Nov. 4? Go Obama/Biden!

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jasminearmstead — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:21:40 GMT

I've watched God move throughout this campaign and Barack Obama will become the next President of the United States of America. Period. Man can do and say whatever he chooses but God has the last say.

As for the alledged ACORN so called "voter fraud," let's wait to see how that whole thing plays out. My guess? It was a set up by the Republican Party. I'm not saying that there weren't instances of people scamming the process, but it doesn't make sense to me that dozens and dozens of people all over the country are allowing individuals to turn in obviously fraudulant registration forms. I've registered dozens of people myself and I cannot imagine that type of behavior not being caught and corrected.

I've seen some Republican dirty tricks in my 59 years of life, but never to the degree that John McCain and Sarah Palin has taken this election. Their crowds are beginning to sound like KKK rallies. If someone messes around and gets hurt as a result of one of those rallies, John McCain and Sarah Palin should be charged with inciting a riot. Any other human being who stood up before angry crowds and shouting "traitor" and "kill him" --about a national presidential candidate no less--would already be hailed off to jail.

Let's get real folks. Our country cannot take four more years of what we've experienced the past eight. It's been much too painful. Financially. Emotionally. Watching the United States of America go from being the most revered country on the face of the earth, to one of the least respected is one of so many reasons why Barack said, "Enough." Ditto.

I want my children to know the country that provided me with opportunities. Yes, as an African American woman who grew up in the 60's, I know racism better than most. But I refused to let it stop me.

I grew up reciting the pledge of allegiance to the flag every morning at the beginning of the school day. I'm one of those people who got goose bumps when The U.S. hockey team defeated the "mighty Russians." I've marched and fought for civil rights and had to explain to our sons why they have to behave a certain way when stopped by police...and on and on..

I said all that to say this...WE NEED A CHANGE. Barack Obama is the one who can lead us through these tough economic times. He has the intelligence and is not intimidated by surrounding himself with others who possess more knowledge in certain areas. That's a leader. With Barack Obama's and hard work we can make America's promise of hope and opportunity for everyone a reality.

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vstillwell — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:25:09 GMT

So Sarah the Enragin' Palin and John McCain want to lead this country. The only thing they do well is turn race relations back about 50 years. Palin's shown herself to be a disgusting, polarizing figure that the lunatics who comprise the extreme right can rally around. I can't believe in this day and age idiots like that still exist. These Republican rallies look like clan meetings.

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Joe J — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:28:50 GMT

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Mominpa2008 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:45:36 GMT

For Tiredoflies

"And, again, to the guy in Wisconsin, (and I hope you are reading this) it was very apparent what you actually said."

From the looks of him and his ignorance...I doubt that guy in Wisconsin CAN read.

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Joe J — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:48:15 GMT

The issue with Barack Obama is NOT that he is black. His policies and opinions on government are too close to socialism or Marxism. I would have readily voted for Colin Powell for any natrional office, the same for Condeleza Rice or Judge Alan page. If I express my opinion against Obama it is easy to simply say it is race based ., but for most of the conservatives I know that strongly oppose Obama it is because we distrust his motives and his governing philosophy. I believe he is too close to many radicals in our country BOTH black and white. I believe he has a hidden agenda to change the American political and social culture to one closely aligned with Leftist Europe, Africa and South America. I believe this will damage America and therfore I AM DEAD AGAINST Obama for political reasons .

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ICYEYES800 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:49:34 GMT

Is this suppose to be some kind of NEWSWORTHY news flash???? Ferraro said this about 6 months ago and when she made the statement she was ostracized so badly by the press and people everywhere.....IT'S A NO BRAINER...OSAMA WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS, IF HE WERE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR....He is unqualified, he has a SORDID past, that he keeps attempting to distance himself from and the saga continues with ACORN...it's gonna be interesting to see if he can outrun this one...maybe he'll be in prision by November....McCain/Palin '08

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Sam10 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:50:36 GMT

America needs a change. I understand how those people venting to John McCain feel, I do. It is a depressing thought that someone like Barrack Obama can stir so many zealots to the socialism crusade. I do agree this has nothing to do with Obama being half/half or black or mulato, his color is irrelevant. The danger with Obama is that his ideas and naivete will destroy America. We are in a precarious position and time, we are at a low where anything can happen. We need someone with integrity and an honest approach to bring America back. That person will not and can not be Barrack Hussein Obama. Look at his record. America needs a change, not just another Chicago politician with blind ambition and a socialist/marxist agenda. Look at his record. It will not take long to decide if everyone knew who Obama really is. Please, look at his record. Not much to speak of. No experience. No instincts. Not good for America.

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Elistra — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:07:58 GMT

And of course, any economic policy that doesn't boil down to "the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the less actual work you do in the course of a day, the more money you have" is socialism, right? Are you just that stupid, or do you ENJOY being ripped off?

You'd think that watching the economy fall into the toilet every time we have a Republican president would teach people something, but I guess some people really ARE just that stupid.

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Christian_Democrat — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:09:29 GMT

This is one of the most brilliant articles I have seen on this subject, if not on the 2008 election in toto. impressive!

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Ohio for McCain/Palin!!!! — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:11:33 GMT

No, race will not be a factor. Integrity will be the issue. Obama has no integrity! Acorn ties and the RICO ACT, he will soon be in the BIG HOUSE not the White House!

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Marty in Springfield — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:47:34 GMT

I agree with you Joe J, Colin Powell would be a fantastic president.

As for you jasminearmstead and your comments about God moving thoughout this campaign. I think you are dead wrong on this. You need to reread Revelation, maybe we are starting the process that leads to the seven years prior to the 1000 year reign of Christ. If it is there is nothing that any of us can do to stop that either.

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sunshineannmarie — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:48:18 GMT

Sorry to say but race will be the major factor. After the treatment of the Native Americans and the Africans, they cannot imagine being governed by a bi-racial person. Stop the mud slinging and get on with managing the issues at hand.

Sorry to say, the mavrick has never won a war. The Americans had to run from Vietnam and it will be the same in Iraq. Stop the war mongering and try to live peacefully with all races and persons in the world regardless of their colour, faith and creed.

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Ohio for McCain/Palin!!!! — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:58:13 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30

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GWBasher — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:48:20 GMT

Doesn't John McCain realize that the more he allows hate and bigotry amongst his supporters to grow that in fact more Americans will lean toward Obama??? He is in reality following the ways of Bush and especially Dick Cheney. It's no joke that we as a people can never afford another 4 years of the same. I would say to everyone out there that we need NEW. Obama while he's not too experienced is the best person for the job. I was a Clinton supporter. If I have learned anything about politics, it must be government of the people, for the people and by the PEOPLE. I do not feel McCain and especially Palin are the right choice. Experience tells me this.

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Elle2 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:54:14 GMT

Race should only matter if a candidate is ACTUALLY that race. This one isn't.

He is Middle Eastern, not African or Afro-American.

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Marty in Springfield — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:59:37 GMT

Well GW BASHER, there we have it, thats all I need to know, you are voting OBAMA and I'll have to along with your judgement on this one especailly since you made such a compelling argument...oh wait a minute. There was no substance to your argument. So sorry....Ill have to stay with McCain.

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Marty in Springfield — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:01:45 GMT

Sorry to correct you on a minor point here althought I agree with the bulk of your post. It's not "this one" it is "That One"

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Braes — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:10:37 GMT

Obama a middle eastern? I lived in Kenya. His father was from Kenya. Kenya is near the equator in east Africa. Roughly 10 or so degrees south, on the Indian Ocean, between Somalia and Tanzania.

His Mother was an American. He is as African American as anyone could possibly be.

Race should only matter if a candidate is ACTUALLY that race. This one isn't.

He is Middle Eastern, not African or Afro-American.

You also seem to use the idiom "This one." as if you can not call him a man. Do you really have that much hate? Have you really been scared that badly by the right wing machine? Is bigotry all that is left of the Republican agenda? You state that race should matter. That is frankly un-American. Let me provide you some supreme law.

After our Civil War, or what I still refer to as the war of Northern Agression, we passed 3 Amendments to our constitution. The 13th Amendment freed the slaves. The 14th made them citizens, and The 15th granted them the vote. (Even though the disgusting behavior in the south of Jim Crow laws kept this from being enacted for over 100 years.)

I am sorry that you do not know this. I am sorry that you are so full of hate that you can not tell the truth. I am sorry that you hate our laws and constitution so much as to defy them.

Please stay a Republican. I will pray for you. I will pray that no one like you harms Mr. Obama, as killing people is far too common in our society.

I am a Southerner who is ashamed of you.

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MissErudite — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:16:59 GMT

To Elle2:

First, "middle eastern" is not a race; however, 'having origins in the Middle East' is part of the definition of 'white.' So, by your inaccurate statement that Obama is middle eastern, you're actually saying that he is white.

Obama is bi-racial, but his mother was from one of the Plains States -- Kansas. As the offspring of a white American woman and a black African man. If anyone is African-American, Obama surely is.

I'm amazed how uninformed so many people are, and these are people who vote. Elle2, you really should consider relinquishing your voting rights.

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MissErudite — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:31:12 GMT

I wonder why there's no discussion about the two following topics:

1. It's been determined that Palin engaged in an abuse of power in the "Trooper Gate" matter involving the trooper formerly married to her sister. In addition, her husband has way too much access to the professional aspects of the governor's office. Palin's husband made personal visits to the public safety director who wouldn't fire Palin's brother-in-law.

2. McCain was still legally married to his first wife at the time he and Cindy (a recovering addict - there's no such thing as a 'former addict' you know) filed for their marriage license. An application for a marriage license generally contains a space to describe "how the previous marriage ended" and unless that box was left blank, McCain outright lied. Also, adultery violates the Code of Conduct for military.

Both examples speak to the character and integrity of both Palin and her spouse, and McCain and his spouse.

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Marty in Springfield — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:37:48 GMT

Man MissErudite, I'm tired can we save some of the filth for tomarrow?

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ok4obama — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:44:57 GMT

The article is very interesting to me. I can personally testify as an Oklahoman which is a republican stronghold by any measure that many co-workers and neighbors I speak to say they won't vote for Obama within a group setting but, will listen intently and ask respectful questions in a one-on-one conversation. For neighbors that will vote for him, there's not one lawn sign or car sticker to be found. In fact, I don't have one either. People tend to judge you (liberal, socialist, ni**er lover) when I show my support for Obama and the only one's who confront me are the radicals while the potential Obama voter remains silent and walks away. It's far easier to communicate effectively when I am unobstrucive. It's hard to step out and do something "radical" as some would say from what they've always been used to. And that's the reality here.

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ICYEYES800 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:47:29 GMT

SOMEBODY HELP ME, WITH THESE LAME ALLIGATIONS..What are you thinking????? How does the idea of "TROOPERGATE" or being an unfaithful spouse compare to the dismal associations with people who have such sordid pasts and the story continues....He's NOW in crap up to his nappy head..with ACORN...it's CLEAR that this guy wants this election enought to lie, steal and cheat to obtain his agenda...He's been plagued with ISSUES from Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and the militant anti-American AYERS.....and you have the nerve to bring up such lame issues..hell,people cheat on their spouses all the time....short memory, Democrat???? Seems that old WILD BILL CLINTON was caught with his drawers down and he was a sitting President....When you can come up with something that threatens OUR NATION, get back to us, till then. SHUT UP AND start thinking for yourself!!!! McCain/Palin '08

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BradKT — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:53:18 GMT

This is a fascinating article...and it is also fascinating to see how the American are wrestling with the issue of race in this election.

First, the obvious: (1) not everyone who votes for John McCain is a bigot...most are not; and (2) Blacks have overwhelmingly voted Democratic for decades so the idea that they are voting for Barack Obama simply because he is Black doesn't totally wash either. I don't think you would see large numbers of Blacks voting for Alan Keyes (or any other prominent Black conservative), for example. The didn't vote for him when he ran for the U.S. Senate and lost in Illinois and Maryland.

I have worked with many Whites (many of them Republicans and conservatives) before I retired from the Federal Aviation Administration and I learned that there are very few card-carrying bigots anymore. With the U.S. economy going south in a big way and John McCain's campaign falling apart and descending into the gutter, I would not be surprised to see many of the people that I knew from my job voting for Barack Obama and that may be the first time that they voted for a Democrat since JFK. And yes, they might not admit that they are going to do so.

You many also see this effect from some of the so-called PUMAs that supported Hillary Clinton and said that they would refuse to support Barack Obama. Some of them might not want to admit publicly that they did so,

This article suggests that the conventional wisdom about race in this country is about to be turned upside down...and I think that that would be a good thing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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MissErudite — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:14:46 GMT

To ICYEYES80:

I presume you're suggesting that my comments about Trooper Gate and McCain's adulterous behavior were "lame." For the record, I have voted Republican since 1980, so I didn't vote for Clinton. Clinton, too, is to be blamed for his infidelity. If someone lies to the person he/she claims to love, what's to prevent that person from lying to people he/she doesn't even know personally, as in constituents? My comments about Palin and McCain are non-partisan -- anyone who cheats and lies about some things, will likely cheat and lie about other things, even monumental issues.

To set the record straight, I am not a Clinton supporter and never have been. My comments had more to do with character and integrity, but you unfortunately missed the point.

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ICYEYES800 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:40:06 GMT

MissE, Are you truly naive enough to believe that ANYONE in D.C. has gotten there by BEING A GOOD HONEST PERSON???? If you are looking for character and integrity, don't look at ANYBODY IN THE POLITICAL ARENA...My point was simply to say, that Obama has a TRUCKLOAD of associations and actions that DEPICT a less than PATRIOTIC agenda....If you haven't seen the movie "FAITH OF MY FATHERS"...It will tell you tons about John McCain's ability to survive...I am blown away by the fact that he not only returned home, but returned with a mission to find MORE WAYS TO SERVE HIS NATION...he does love this country and that's way more than I can say about Osama.............McCain/Palin '08

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abadreview — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:55:46 GMT

The issue of race, blah blibbity blah, this thing is so O--V--E---R! McCain can't even control his KKK support base, they're about to break out the white hoods soon. Everytime he gives one of his supporters in the audience the microphone, all you can hear is backwoods hick babble, the words "socialist", and "terrorist", are the only words these people know with more than two syllables.

It's so freaking over...already...but we're not quitting until the results are in.

YES WE CAN!!!!

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MissErudite — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:56:12 GMT

It amazes me how people are so disrespectful on these message boards. It's impossible to have an intelligent debate without name-calling, or resorting to hurling insults, and making racist or condescending remarks. in addition to the intentional misspelling of candidates' names in an attempt to demean others. By registering on this site, I thought Newsweek would support spirited conversation and debate -- not comments from readers who are incapable of demonstrating decorum, mutual respect and class. I was wrong.

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Perusing-through — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:46:08 GMT

FROM CONSERVATIVE COLUMIST:

"McCAIN'S ATTACKS FUEL DANGEROUS HATRED"

By Frank Schaeffer

October 10, 2008

To John McCain:

If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.

At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, "Kill him!" At one of your rallies, someone called out, "Terrorist!" Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee - an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.

Shame!

John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.

You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.

John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country. You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter. You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues. You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away. You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.

Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.

John McCain, you're walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.

Change the atmosphere of your campaign. Talk about the issues at hand. Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people - forever.

We will hold you responsible.

Frank Schaeffer is the author of "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back." His e-mail is frankaschaeffer@aol.com

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mikedun — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:22:37 GMT

Wow, judging by the comments, I'm surprised at how many people still hold racial views in this day and age. If comments made here such as "nappy head" is any indication, we have far too many bigotry, intolerant citizens that shouldn't have the right to vote.

The republicans that follow McCain yell "socialist" and "kill him" to a presdential candidate is appalling. Keep in mind, the only "socialist" I see is the one currently holding the oval office. It is the current republican president asking the Gov't 700 billion dollars. McCain shortly follows with the notion of gov't buying bad mortgages. Who really has socialist ideas?? It's bigotry and racism that blinds people from seeing the truth. Additionally, all McCain/Palin is focusing on is association and accusations against Obama. Please tell me they have more substance than this.

Additonally, I have a hard time understanding why so many Christians associate with the republican party. As a strong Christian myself, I see no Christ like values in republican candidates. Is war mongering based on a LIE Christ like? Is it even in our country's best interest to spend billions of dollars daily fighting in Iraq based on a LIE? Is greed, corruption, trickle down economics that only serves the rich Christ like? For me, the pick of Palin was the ultimate stab in the back. Her daughter being pregnant at age of 17. What kind of values and morals is Palin truly representing? It's ok the have sex and get pregnant, just don't get an abortion??? The hypocrisy is frightning and almost demonic. What really bothers me is the Right wing evangelicals praising Palin. It really shows they are a political movement more than a movement for Christ.

I'll be voting democrat this year simply because I don't see any substantial change in message given by McCain/Palin on what they are going to do about the economy, foreign policy that is no different from what it is now. They should know focusing on attacking the opponent vs substance will get them nowhere unless they are targeting the uneducated voters of America. I'm truly disgusted with the republican party, their tactics, and hypocrisy. Hopefully in the future, there will be a viable 3rd party candidate.

Also folks, blind patriotism is the worst ignorance of all. Supporting and unjust Iraq war is un-American. You forget our founding fathers were considered "traitors" for speaking out for what they believed in. Critical thinking is needed not just blindly accepting and believing that the Iraq war was right course of action. Mark my words, we will not win the Iraq war just like we didn't in Vietnam or Korea. Another example is Russia's war with Afghanistan,. A war fighting an ideology (communism, terrorism) has no ends. It will always exist as it is an ideology, a belief. besides the fact we shouldn't be there in the first place.

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garnetgal11 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:44:17 GMT

Don't the pollsters get tired of saying, 'this group or that group will make or break this race for the White House. I don;'t believe that any one group will make that much difference, it is the majority in the statewide votes that count. Unfortunately because of the Electoral College way of counting our elections a lot of people in States like Texas are disenfranchised. The pundits always declare, sometimes before the votes are counted, that Texas is totally a RED State, that is not true, there are many Democrats that will be voting for Obama, but they are not to be counted in Presidential elections because of the undemocratic way of counting only the votes in the Electoral college. I think we should abolish that system and use the democratic method where everyones vote is counted in all 50 states before a winner is declared.

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CHOMPERS — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:17:21 GMT

TO MIKEDUN

I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS NOT THE WAR THEY ARE SOME OF THE BRAVEST PEOPLE OUT THERE ALONG WITH POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREMEN JUST WANTED TO STATE THIS AS I DONT THINK ITS UNPATRIOTIC TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS WAS IT BUSH THAT ASKED FOR 700 BILLION OR WAS IT CONGRESS ALL TOGETHER CUZ EVEN OBAMA SUPPORTED THAT GO FIGURE AND CONGRESS VOTED YES ON WAR TOO THEY COULDA VOTED NO AND WE WOULDNT BE IN IRAQ AS TO MORALS YOU CAN SIT THERE AND TEACH MORALS ALL YOU WANT IF WHOEVER U ARE TEACHING DOESNT LISTEN THAN WHAT ARE U SUPPOSE TO DO I THINK SHES DOING RIGHT DECISION BY STANDING BY HER DAUGHTER AND SUPPORTING HER AS I WOULD WITH MY KIDS I AM AND WILL ALWAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN SORRY JUST HOW I FEEL REMEMBER OUR FOUNDING FATHERS AND ALL THAT GAVE ALL AND ALL THAT GAVE SOME FOR OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS SORRY IF MY SPELLING IS ROUGH N I DONT USE PUNCTUATIONS AS I AM NOT A VERY GOOD SPEAKER OR WRITER I JUST SAY WHATS ON MY MIND EVEN IF IT SOUNDS ROUGH GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS HOME AND ABROAD AND HOPE YOU ALL COME HOME SOON

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karo1958 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:55:51 GMT

In other civilized countries it's considered patriotic to educate onesself by reading as much as possible of all viewpoints and various ramifications of voting one way or another - and "spin" is almost totally ignored. People sit and have civil political discussions over a cup or coffee or a glass of wine, and they don't spew hatred at each other. People vote based on what is ultimately going to best for them and for most people in the country.

I'm ashamed to say that in this country, most people vote based on practically NO KNOWLEDGE at all. They don't read, they don't really know anything about the issues facing the country, they don't sit and discuss politics in a civil manner (unless it's with those who agree with them) and they listen to "spin". They vote along strict party lines, assuming that one party or the other is somehow "right". They vote based on one or two knee-jerk issues that they think they understand, like some nebulous "support for the troops" or wanting to have the ability to deny an abortion to people they will never know, supposedly to enforce the "right to life" of babies whom they will not spend a penny to support, babies who ultimately will probably become the poor people whom these same voters don't want to help in any way. Too many voters in the U.S. are some of the stupidest, most willfully unintelligent people (like CHOMPERS) on the planet, who simply either refuse to think more than the most shallow thoughts, or else are incapable of it. They would be surprised at what our Founding Fathers really thought, based on their writings - but they won't take the time to read or understand more than a few snippets that have been carefully selected and spoon-fed to them by their party's pundits or talk show hosts. These voters continually vote against their own best interests because they refuse to carefully watch and hold accountable the people whom they have elected, somehow assuming that they're doing the right thing. In a more civilized country, people who understand so little and who refuse to educate themselves would not have the nerve to vote. They would leave the voting to others who had done their homework.

Right now we have two parties who basically fight back and forth for power. Neither party is going to help the average voter, but one party clearly exists to promote the rights of the wealthy. If you take a look at history, it's obvious. It's also obvious that the other party needs a coherent strategy. It's sad, really.

I suggest that, if our country's voters had always been more educated in the real issues, we would have better quality candidates than the ones we tend to have now - people more like our Founding Fathers. And we'd have a better country than the one we have now, too - a country that was financially secure. Maybe we'd have more than basically just two parties to choose from. Voters in this country need to wise up, get educated, and learn to see through the spin.

If you can't do that now, do all of us a favor and don't vote.

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geniepiper — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:23:30 GMT

I never quite understood this. Wouldn't someone just say that they are voting for McCain or Obama on account of whatever and just leave race out of it, even if race is truly the reason for their decision.

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emmarcee — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:32:41 GMT

Who played the financial markets to crash down for Obama's favor? THE TIMING WAS VERY CRITICAL. Right when Mccain was in the lead. How many "international " investors were involved? who is bent to make Barack Husein Obama the POTUS? fIRST THEY PLAYED THE energy crisis. WE beat them. Then they withdrew their holdings and support for our fianancial system. "AMERICA had it coming". WE entertained all these back stabbers who were more than ready to pull the money away from wall street market. All so legally. Govt had to step in to stop the short sale of uSA. YOu liberals who play with antiamerican terrorist coutries, we will let you know you also hold the other end of this stick.

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daughter76 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:48:33 GMT

Just goes to show you how effective the secular progressive movement has been in destroying the identity of wial of identity.y white ethnic would vote for Oscumma is a travesty and den That anhite ethnics in this country.

re: Will Race Matter?

irishwolf — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:09:14 GMT

An interesting pair of studies. I wonder if any studies have been done regarding the impact of the behavior of McCain's more rabid supporters (see posts by emmarcee and daughter76 as examples) on moderates. I'm not particularly fond of Obama and don't really trust him. But if that (and the "traitot" shouting crowds at his rallies) are the McCain power base...they scare me far more. Will a McCain presidency (or God forbid a Palin one) throw us further back into the "knownothing" mentality that 8 years of Bush have given us? In this case, better the devil I don't know.

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Democrat-Hillary — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:52:34 GMT

I find it fascinating that I hear republicans blaming democrats in congress for this crisis (they do not mention that Bush has vetoed every proposal they made), because the president can t act alone......then why are they scared of Obama if president can t act alone?

You can t have it both ways, either Bush is solely responsible for everything or you can t overplay Obama s role.

re: Will Race Matter?

Democrat-Hillary — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:25:45 GMT

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT:

Rolling Stone Magazine: Make believe Maverick, A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty.

By TIM DICKINSON

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain?commentPage=8#rate

Palin s model for debate: BUSH! From Countdown MSNBC Oct, 3-08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_SmsXgzvg

If Palin wants to play guilt by association , let s compare:

* Video: Sarah Palin addresses the Alaska Independence Party convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

* Article

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php#more

I strongly suggest everyone go to:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

Also google for Palin & mentor Pastor Thomas Muthee, witchcraft ritual and who is Mr. Muthee. Here is one: http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2008/09/15/sarah-palin-and-the-thomas-muthee-witch-hunt/

For McCain:

- Keating Five, just google it , there are tons to read and see....

- McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra case. Organization had ties to former Nazi collaborators, right wing death squads: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/

- McCain & Pastor John Hagee, just google it , there are tons to read and see....

- McCain ties with Gordon Liddy : <http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004>

- The Silver State bank and the role of McCain’s son, google it....

At least Obama could walk up to the WH his head held high not trailing mud......

Feel free to re-post.

re: Will Race Matter?

justanothervet — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:59:01 GMT

The race of John McCain is not relevant to me and I don't see what the big deal is that he is a white male. There is no reason to discriminate against John McCain.

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DorothyP — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:49:22 GMT

The race of ANY candidate doesn't matter to me. I am interested on where each candidate stands on the issues. However, as an Independent voter I am leaning toward the Democratic ticket this November 4th, due to the negativity of the McCain/Palin campaign.

re: Will Race Matter?

factandtruth — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:30:43 GMT

To the Hillary dem. Say what? Obama can walk into the WH with his head up?

Who is gonna hold his hand? On one side padre " God damn America" on the other compadre "Bill bomb America" and right behind, Farakhan yelping "He is the Mesiah he has spoken". Yeah, what fine company he is keeping. Maybe Acorn can run things for him while the all greatfull Michelle can continue to wallow in the new found American pride.

I tell you what, none of the above that is what we all should vote! Clean up house and send all the fat cats in congress packing. Till we the people take charge again ,trash like Bush, Mcain and Obama and, yes break your heart, Hillary too will keep coming. We need to take America back from the crooks running it for their on profit and power plays.

re: Will Race Matter?

RO in Reno — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:33:29 GMT

The Link to the rolling stone article is very informative, I knew McCain had a lot to do with the invasion of Iraq, but according to the article McCain may have more resposiblity for that debacle than Cheney

re: Will Race Matter?

RO in Reno — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:14:24 GMT

A recent poll showed some 30% of americans harbored some racist tendency, but I think the greater concern are the right wing nuts, even McCain has recently tried to quell some of the misinformation harbored by these people, apparently he suddenly realised his

base are largely the nutcases of America.

It does appear more people are paying much more attention to the issues rather

than personality or even race and we can hope these people outnumber those

who would vote based on race or any of the numerous misconceptions promoted

by McCain and Palin rather than the economy, healthcare, education, Iraq etc.

But even with Obama clearly leading in the polls it's best to keep your fingers

crossed even though that makes operating your mouse difficult.

re: Will Race Matter?

obzerver — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:24:50 GMT

mcain is asuspect because of his 5 year close association with the enemy during the war.

re: Will Race Matter?

Fight4USA8 — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:03:13 GMT

Could Obama's race actually help him on Election Day?

>>Obama is "Color Blind-Simply American, so are his supporters."

>>When we talk about Obama's race which one are we talking about, since he is both Black & White?

>>So the answer is, YES, Both Black & White are going to vote for him.

>>I PREDICT OBAMA WILL WIN ON NOVEMBER 4TH 2008

Electoral Votes = Obama 353 / McCain 185

re: Will Race Matter?

Fight4USA8 — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:08:32 GMT

WHEN YOU ARE THE BEST IN EVERYTHING, NOTHING MATTERS.

re: Will Race Matter?

everettdiggles — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:19:37 GMT

More race-baiting from the far Left - how expected, how pathetic. If Obama wins the election, and he probably will, I'll be joining the "AK Secession Party". The notion that our government will be absolutely dominated by the extreme radical Left is frightening. The lack of checks & balances will leave us at the mercy of a power-drunk radical Left-Wing government, that will ironically destroy the Constitution and the very civil liberties it claims to protect - America will never be the same. 8 years of Bush were bad to say the least, and what is coming Jan 09 will be historical far worse. We want Obama style change? We will get more than what we bargained for, mark my words. Socialism doesn't even begin to describe the definition of what this new, radical unchecked Left-Wing government can be called. It's going to be a twisted hybrid of Socialism / Fascism ideologies, with government oppression of likes in which we haven't seen since the British ruled the 13 Colonies. Talk about living in a total police-state, are you truly prepared to give up your personal freedom? Bush may have dug America's grave, but it will be the radical Left under Obama who hammers the final nail into the coffin. Kiss your freedom and sovereignty good-by. If we really want "change" and real solutions, how about voting for someone who actually follows the Constitution - Ron Paul.

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Fight4USA8 — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:24:09 GMT

Obama is the best in everything, and when you are the best nothing matters. PLEASE DON'T COMPARE OBAMA WITH McCAIN/PALIN

>>Republican voters I hope you know that there are so many smart & capable republicans you could have selected, instead you chose Bush (dumb), McCain (dumber) Palin (dumbest, EVIL & street smart).

>>Let alone Americans the World is laughing at you on how stupid you are in electing Bush not once but twice, then picking McCain the GAMBLER, EROTIC & DANGEROUS man, and if that was not enough McCain had to top it with the "street smart/clueless/EVIL/barracuda" Palin.

>> "John has a QUICK and EXPLOSIVE TEMPER that many have experienced first hand. Folks, QUITE HONESTLY THAT IS NOT THE FINGER I WANT NEXT TO THAT "RED BUTTON." Doctor Phillip Butler"

Dr. Butler is a highly decorated POW who was awarded 2 Silver Stars, 2 Legion of Merits, 2 Bronze Stars and 2 Purple Heart medals.

>>>>>Click or COPY & PASTE THESE LINKS ... IN YOUR BROWSER

http://www.mydailymirror.com/newspapersview.php?view=39452&day=04&month=11&year=2004

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/mccain-adviser-apologizes-for-terrorism-remark/

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859,00.html

re: Will Race Matter?

catherineusa — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:29:03 GMT

The washington Times Oct 12, 2008

HYMAN: Obama's Kenya ghostsAbout 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced Dec. 30. Mr. Odinga was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, heavily populated by the Luo tribe, and the birthplace of Barack Obama's father.

Mr. Odinga had the backing of Kenya's Muslim community heading into the election. For months he denied any ties to Muslim leaders, but fell silent when Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, appeared on Kenya television displaying a memorandum of understanding signed on Aug. 29, 2007, by Mr. Odinga and the Muslim leader. Mr. Odinga then denied his denials.

The details of the MOU were shocking. In return for Muslim backing, Mr. Odinga promised to impose a number of measures favored by Muslims if he were elected president. Among these were recognition of "Islam as the only true religion," Islamic leaders would have an "oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other religions [emphasis in original]," installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction, a ban on Christian preaching, replacement of the police commissioner who "allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists," adoption of a women's dress code, and bans on alcohol and pork.

This was not Mr. Odinga's first brush with notoriety. Like his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, the main opposition leader in the 1960s and 1970s, Raila Odinga is a Marxist He graduated from East Germany's Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship provided by the East German government. He named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.

Raila Odinga was implicated in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 against then-President Daniel Arap Moi, a close ally of the United States. Kenya has been one of the most stable democracies in Africa since the 1960s. The ethnic cleansing earlier this year was the worst violence in Kenya since that 1982 coup attempt.

Mr. Odinga spent eight years in prison. At the time, he denied guilt but later detailed he was a coup leader in his 2006 biography. Statue of limitations precluded further prosecution when the biography appeared.

Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.

"Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama had met several times before the 2006 trip. Reports indicate Mr. Odinga visited Mr. Obama during trips to the U.S. in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Mr. Obama sent his foreign policy adviser Mark Lippert to Kenya in early 2006 to coordinate his summer visit. Mr. Obama's August trip coincided with strategizing by Orange Democratic Movement leaders to defeat Mr. Kibaki in the upcoming elections. Mr. Odinga represented the ODM ticket in the presidential race.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama's father were both from the Luo community, the second-largest tribe in Kenya, but their ties run much deeper. Mr. Odinga told a stunned BBC Radio interviewer the reason why he and Mr. Obama were staying in near daily telephone contact was because they were cousins. In a Jan. 8, 2008, interview, Mr. Odinga said Mr. Obama had called him twice the day before while campaigning in the New Hampshire primary before adding, "Barack Obama's father is my maternal uncle."

President Kibaki requested a meeting of all opposition leaders in early January in an effort to quell the violence. All agreed to attend except Mr. Odinga. A month later, Mr. Kibaki offered Mr. Odinga the role of prime minister, the de facto No. 2 in the Kenyan government, in return for an end to the attacks. Mr. Odinga was sworn in on April 17, 2008.

Mr. Obama's judgment is seriously called into question when he backs an official with troubling ties to Muslim extremists and whose supporters practice ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was Islamic extremists in Kenya who bombed the U.S. Embassy in 1998, killing more than 200 and injuring thousands. None of this has dissuaded Mr. Obama from maintaining disturbing loyalties.

Mark Hyman is an award-winning news commentator for Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc.

re: Will Race Matter?

ChacB — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:12:43 GMT

I am a social moderate and fiscal conservative. I will vote for someone other than Obama, not because of his race but because of his proposed policies. It seems to me that the implication from his supporters is that if I oppose his proposed policies, it is because I am a racest. Has our inability to exchange differing views reached a point where who can yell the most and make the most outrageous accusitations is considered to be correct? What has our Democracy degenerated to?

Do we even have a Democracy any more?

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ChacB — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:12:48 GMT

Do we even have a Democracy any more?

re: Will Race Matter?

chiefagc — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:51:52 GMT

We still have large amountsd of racists in this country and no poll is going to capture the true number since they (racists) will not admit it to anyone but like minded people- so they know it's wrong- they just don't freakin care. I could understand people being afraid or racist toward rappers- but Obama? That takes real ignorance.

re: Will Race Matter?

Ohio for McCain/Palin!!!! — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:59:46 GMT

No, Acorn put him at an advantage illegally.

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Ohio for McCain/Palin!!!! — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:02:06 GMT

Hannity and Colmes, Monday 10/13/2008 at 9 p.m.. The truth will set you free!

Hee Hee

re: Will Race Matter?

Hatful1 — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:48:17 GMT

I think some factors of race are overstated, because we have a larger percentage of baby boomers and neXers who are more inclined to support an African Am candidate. Add to this, the failure of pollsters to contact sufficient samples for the minorities could accound for Obama outperforming poll results. Of specific concern, is the FACT that it is entirely reasonable for Obama to be "friendly" to a rehabilitated Ayers who is so widely respected and accepted in the Chicago community, without having to IGNORE him because of political angst.

Ayers remains coy by allowing his name to be smeared with this repeated attempt to "distract" people from real issues. How many people does Obama know? How can we say with impunity that his "pals" are the few radical names that we continue to discuss? How many people does John McCain know, and which of them would also be considered radicals? Gordon Liddy? Oliver North? Keating? (with whom his wife and father-in-law continued to do business though 2003), Rick Davis, lobbyist serving self-interest and still getting paid by Fannie Mae until August of this year? What about the lobbyist to Georgia (Shannenum, sp) who HAPPENED to be connected to the McCain's campaign who encourged Georgia to provoke Russia, we'll help you?

What about Sarah's negatives, abusing power? having husband reimbursed for state trips? allowing husband to attend state business meetings when he was and is not a state employee? Leaving Wasilla 22 Million in debt because of poor management? Firing qualified employees and hiring friends?

While the McCain campaign has turned the microscope on Obama and his few "known" bad actors who he has refuted, denounced, and denigated, they have not been forth coming themselves in clearing up conflict of interest charges about his contacts or 134 lobbyists to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? McCain has associates that are knee deep in these financial crises and questionable militia actions (Iran Contra, Iraq payments and missing funds) - its time for Obama and the Democrats to just do one campaign ad, and run it repeatedly with the listing of his questionable associates - and just close it with , NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE MORTGAGE CRISIS!

How many time can he discuss Ayers? When will the question ever be answered? Ayers was not a terrorist when Obama met him, and is no longer involved in those activities, nor with Obama! When WILL THE ANSWER BE ACCEPTED? If the answer is never, then stop asking questions. The refusal to accept Obama's response proves the LIE of trying to clarify that relationship - and proves that this is merely a campaign tactic to create a negative impression of Obama. Just as FOX is using an old photo of Obama on its newcase web page - obviously younger as his hair is now graying, and there is no lapel pin - which he is now wearing.

If people want to remain negative, there is nothing anybody could do about it!

re: Will Race Matter?

mike0670 — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:03:42 GMT

This election may actually create a new term called the "Palin Effect" where the Joe Sixpack & Hockey Mom working class and rural voters are backing her enthusiastically in the polls, but when faced with the actual decision in the voting booths, will see her as real negative as a possible (probable?) president if McCain falls ill.

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DUMPLIN — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:33:49 GMT

HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THE ONLY ONES BRINGING UP RACE IS OBAMA AND THE LIBERAL PRESS? HAS ANYONE ELSE EVEN DONE THE MATH ON OBAMA'S "TAX PLAN"? HE SAYS ONE THING AT ONE POINT, CHANGES IS AT ANOTHER TIME, HE IS SAYINE WHAT HE THINKS PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR, HE HAS NO PLAN. HE HAS NO IDEA HOW THIS COUNTRY'S ECONOMY WORKS. ALL HE KNOW IS THAT HE WANTS TO SOCIALIZE OUR SOCIETY AND BE IN CHARGE OF EVERYONE'S LIVES AND WE WORK FOR HIM. HE DEMONIZES BIG CORPORATIONS, BIG OIL, BUSINESSES (THEY ARE THE ONES WHO PROVIDE JOBS) AND WHERE ELSE WAS THIS DONE. BOLSHEVIKS WERE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE SAME DIALOGUE. COME ONE FOLKS, THINK CAREFULLY, THINK AHEAD. WHERE WILL HIS POLICIES TAKE US EVEN TEN YEARS FROM NOW.?

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DUMPLIN — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:37:13 GMT

OBAMA HAS LIED TO US ABOUT AYERS, ABOUT ACORN AND HIS ASSOCIATION WITH THE BOTH OF THEM. HE SAT IN JEREMIAH WRIGHT'S CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS AND ABSORBED ALL OF HIS HATE SPEECH. IF YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING SOMEONE IS SAYING YOU LEAVE IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT IS BEING PREACHED, YOU STAY. SIMPLE AS THAT. IF OBAMA WINS THIS ELECTION IT WILL BE DUE TO ACORN AND THEIR STEALING THIS ELECTION, IF HE LOSES I AM SURE THERE WILL BE RIOTS IN THE STREETS AND HE WILL HAVE CONDONED THEM.

re: Will Race Matter?

ALLEAS — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:59:26 GMT

WATCH OUT, DEMOCRATS. REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE TO STEAL THIS ELECTION LIKE THEY DID IN 2000 AND 2004. THEY CANNOT POSSIBLY WIN WITHOUT STEALING IT.

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Ohio for McCain/Palin!!!! — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:08:25 GMT

WATCH OUT, DEMOCRATS. REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE TO STEAL THIS ELECTION LIKE THEY DID IN 2000 AND 2004. THEY CANNOT POSSIBLY WIN WITHOUT STEALING IT.

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Looks like you have a head start with Acorn! You should be really proud of your party and Obama, such integrity! hee hee

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Nowforthetruth — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:53:24 GMT

"Press Releases

AJC Strongly Condemns Rev. Jesse Jackson's Comment on American Jews

October 14, 2008 - New York - The American Jewish Committee (AJC) has condemned the Rev. Jesse Jackson's statement about 'Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades.'

"Rev. Jackson's remarks, which appeared in an interview with the journalist Amir Taheri in today's New York Post, echo classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish power," said AJC Executive Director David A. Harris. 'This statement, regrettably, is not the first troubling comment by Rev. Jackson regarding Israel, Zionism and the Jewish people.'

Arguing as a private citizen that an Obama administration could bring significant change to U.S. foreign policy, Jackson was quoted as saying that "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" would lose much of their influence should Senator Obama be elected president."

http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=849241&ct=6107743

And people are upset about raciest comments some in the crowd are allegedly saying at Palin events? Isn't this the same Democrat leader who once called New York "Hymietown"?

re: Will Race Matter?

diogeron — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:45:29 GMT

This is a very insightful analysis, IMHO. Ironically, it appears that liberals are the ones who are always talking about the Bradley effect more than anyone else. I recall a very good friend of mine saying almost two years ago that he liked Obama but "a black guy cannot get elected president of the United States and he won't even get the nomination." I am sure he would be happy to be proven wrong on the first point, but the "Bradley effect" was one of his core arguments on the issue.

We shall see, but I think Nate Silver and the author of this article provide a good counter-argument to the worry about the Bradley effect and the ultimate outcome of this race. We shall see in about ten days.