The Importance of Pennsylvania

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

teddychan — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:22:33 GMT

Even in this EXTREMELY unlikely scenario that McCain wins Pennsylvania to counter Obama's wins in New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and Virginia, all Obama would need to do -- even if he lost Florida, Ohio, NC and Missouri is win Nevada, where he is 4-5 points ahead and extremely well organized.

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

vicenteduq — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:29:40 GMT

McCain's Campaign is the Most beautiful and perfect organized disaster and catastrophe.

The Republican Party seems like the Titanic with the band playing music.

I wonder, if McCain had played the "gentleman" game, if he had been kind to Obama, and had acknowledged the Historical Figure of Obama. If McCain had spoken words of praise about Obama and had concentrated his forces and energies in issues. Then What ???

If McCain had been kind to Obama and not irate and full of disdain and disrespect, then People would pay attention to McCain's knowledge's and qualities. ( if any ).

Being "black" was a disadvantage for Obama, and people usually root for the underdog team in baseball, basketball or football. Same for soccer. So playing racial fears, terrorist fears, redneck fears and ignorance may have been ill adviced.

A noble McCain would probably have lost by a smaller percentage and his image for the future and posterity would have been high and noble.

Was it impossible to get a Conservative Intelligent Black Woman instead of Sarah Palin ??? .... Sarah is so lacking in Culture, Education, Cultivation, World Views and Weltanschaung !

With a Black Woman McCain could have created sympathy for him among women and among blacks and other minorities.

Sarah Palin, so right wing, so extreme evangelical, so fanatical, was a threat for all minorities.

Religious Fundamentalists have always been very close to bigots and bigotry.

Even the most ignorant folks become aware of slanders, lies, innuendos and calumnies.

This is a sad story and McCain will be remembered for Palin and for the dirt and filth.

http://tossUpStates.blogspot.com/

http://milenials.blogspot.com/

Vicente Duque

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

Tabi — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:13:52 GMT

Obama has gone quite negative too, but he does so in advertising. He keeps up the flowing rhetoric, while pounding McCain in advertising. In terms of negative advertising, McCain's is getting more attention. But in terms of the number of negative commercials shown, Obama's campaign still shows more negative spots. Money may not be enough to win on its own, but it can buy a fair number of advantages.

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

cm4297 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:56:25 GMT

Tabi, I agree that Obama has more opportunity to show ads, but his negative ads actually focus on issues versus actual character assassinations. The McCain campaign uses loaded rhetoric such as "The One," "Elitist" (which has become the racist term for educated blacks who don't know their places), "Who is Obama"...etc. McCain has done nothing short of race baited with his advertisements. Because Republicans have gotten use to using character assassination as a weapon, now instead of focusing on the economic issues, here we go with the anti-Americanisms such as "Socialist." Come on. McCain, if you and Palin would talk about the issues, you would see a change in these polls.

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

Vegas — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:25:55 GMT

Obama has not been negative. What do you propose? He just always stand there and accept the mud McCain/Palin sling?

I voted for Obama Oct. 20, in Nevada. I'm an Independent. I voted for him, because I know he isn't really negative and he's focused on the economy.

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

Concerned Canadian — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:26:56 GMT

I PREDICT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL LOSE THE ELECTION...TOO BAD OBAMABOTS.

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

Concerned Canadian — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:27:19 GMT

I PREDICT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL LOSE THE ELECTION...TOO BAD OBAMABOTS.

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

NotAtAll — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:09:49 GMT

The only difference between Obama and any other pipe-dream hack is that he speaks well. He is still clueless about foreign policy which is a critical skill to have these days. If he wins, gas will go to $7.50 a gallon, and we'll be adding arabic to all of our signs. Other than that he's a great candidate!

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

NotAtAll — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:11:02 GMT

re: Can McCain Win Without Colorado? Ask Pennsylvania.

HappyDay41 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:17:10 GMT

Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan (October 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM)

This moronic scumbag Samuel J. Wurzelbacher "Joe the Plumber" (racist pathological liar, twice divorced wife beater, terrible father with a failing 13 year old punk), had his AZ driver license suspended....

Hopefully the collection agency will break both his legs and he'll never be able to walk nor work ever again. This typical republican scumbag deserves it.....

Dude, you really have anger issues, don't you? To call an unsuspecting man such names, and to hope his legs are broken and that he never works again is MEAN and VISCIOUS.

YOU ARE THE REASON I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN.

re: The Importance of Pennsylvania

floridacadman — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:56:43 GMT

Ref ConcernedCanadian; No one cares about your predictions. Stick predict the Hockey boards, but dont bet money, Im sure youll be just as wrong.

HappyDay41, if you vote McCain because of an anonymous poster on a message board, your even more out of touch than your candidate, and obviously unable to make an intelligent choice without help.

NotatAll, 7.50 a gallon? Thats a Bush dream. Man, the intelligence of the average republican makes me happier everyday I switched parties.

re: The Importance of Pennsylvania

think4yourself — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:18:30 GMT

McCain has a great shot at winning Penn. If you have Ed Rendell worried then McCain's got it in the bag.

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Mark in PA. — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:26:27 GMT

As A Republican in PA voting for Obama, I don't think McCain has a chance here even with the republicans. In my area ( northern rural PA) the voting is at best 50/50, and with the southern areas heavily for Obama I think McCain is blowing smoke. We see his unfounded scare tactics and racist inneuendo as very objectionable, and Palin is like an albatrose around McCains neck here. We all hunt, but we don't see much sport in shooting wolves from heliocopters. Our economy is based on 99% people making less than $250,000 a year, and McCain would hurt the farmers. We all think McCain must think we are stupid out here in the boonies. Joe the plumber is a crtrived joke and has no credibility at all here. He gives plumbers abad name. Republican in PA voting for Obama

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Cazador1972 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:31:46 GMT

Romano, for the life of me I cannot understand your reasoning here (what has happened to your columns lately?) McCain is trailing Obama in Pennsylvania by 13 points. Why not go for Minnesota where he is trailing by 11? To boot, Penn is Biden country, with a huge college population that will make a difference for Obama even beyond poll projections. Anything can happen, as far as I'm concerned Dems SHOULD NOT take it for granted, but if McCain is counting on Penn then it is no wonder his campaign is in shambles.

re: The Importance of Pennsylvania

aemoreira81 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:39:31 GMT

McCain should be keeping all bases covered. Watch Obama hold more rallies in North Carolina and Virginia, which will make Pennsylvania irrelevant. (I see Obama winning those states, giving him 278...and a loss in Nevada for McCain, even while losing OH, PA, and FL, still leaves Obama with 270 votes.)

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paproudmom — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:43:23 GMT

Mark in Pa does not know what he is talking about. Since I actually live in south central PA I see the number of McCain vs Obama signs and it is not even close. This is a heavily republican area. McCain has never ever spewed racist comments. Your smearing is typical of Obama supporters. I really doubt you are republican either. As far as the farmers how many farm dinners have you attended. I have attended quite a few and it is not Obama they are supporting. It is McCain that has their support. I would think they know what is best for them. My husband is a small business owner and I can tell you Obama would be a disaster for small business. If Obama is elected we will not be filling one position that is vacant and will scrap plans to add new jobs. Oh wait isn't Obama all about creating jobs! If you think Joe the plumber is a joke, yeah then you should vote for Obama along with all the people who don't want to work hard and resent those who do. Typical democrat!

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Nowforthetruth — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:34:50 GMT

Here, let Obam explain to you what really happened.

Look and listen for yourself. Hear Obama in his own words discusses his links to both ACORN and the mortgage meltdown, and praises bundling and securitizing mortgages by banks as a means to float loans to the poor. Never mind the link commentators point of view, just listen to what Obama says in his own words. A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe more in the case of Obama comments in the last half of the youtube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

See also: See: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972 This web site:

Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been."

And also:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

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SingleMomWhoPaysTaxes — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:12:11 GMT

As a resident of Pittsburgh, the Obama campaign signs outnumber McCain by at least three to one here. I am a registered Independent and not once has McCain's campaign sent me any information since his nomination. However, from the very start the Obama campaign consistently has sent me information and responded to any specific questions I had about the platforms and where Senator Obama stood on various measures. Senator McCain could have cared less about my vote a week ago, so why should I give it to someone who is going to increase my tax burden, double-talk his way around issues rather than explain what he means, and perhaps make things worse for America both here and abroad - another four more years of the last eight, which I don't think many of us can take. No thank you Mr McCain! I suspect the only reason you are here now is because as you stated publicly yesterday, "You agree with Murtha sic we are racists" and would not likely vote for a candidate of color. The McCain campaign would do better to save their money to buy more pretty dresses for Governor Palin than waste it trying to get Joe Sixer out of the beer joint long enough to care enough to vote. Oops, have you checked the registers, he probably is not even registered and if so has not voted in years if ever. Unless you plan on having a keg and kolbassi sandwiches, it's not likely they will even hang around to vote. Is Ms Palin following this logic? You dumped the people of PA long ago Mr McCain, particularly the Independents, so now please go share your divisive messages and slanderous politics with the more American patriotic people of Ohio - I couldn't figure out from your speech whether or not you agreed or disagreed that we were patriotic Americans so I'll leave it at that. I think the 'regular' folks in PA have your number and heard it from your lips to God's ear.

re: The Importance of Pennsylvania

pinky_tiger — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:14:26 GMT

In response to paproudmom...

I am a democrat working hard as a therapist in a community mental health agency that sees returning iraq vets with mental health issues as a result of the war. I work very hard and don't make a great deal of money. Since the Bush administration took over eight years ago I have watched my field suffer over and over again from repeated budget cuts and layoffs b/c we, unfortunately are funded by contracts through the federal and state government. I may not have attended many farm dinners, but I am still a hard working American who is attempting to see the big picture. Living in this country and owning a business that makes over $250,000 a year is a privilege that the majority of Americans could only dream of (and is it certainly not from a lack of hard work I can assure you)...thanks to the economic disaster the Bush administration has created. If you are in this income bracket then stop being so selfish and give back to America (its children, its elderly, social programs to help the disadvantaged) instead of just worry about if you will be able to get that new minivan next year. If you are proud to be an American citizen then stop complaining about having to pay your dues and pointing the finger at those who are not as successful as you and claim they are "lazy". The truth is paproudmom...I don't think you know what you are talking about, for I, myself, am a democrat who works very hard and does not resent you for doing the same. I do however resent politicians who do not work hard for us and, I am sorry to say, the Republicans have not done such a bang up job of running this country for the past 8 years...In fact the last period of economic prosperity I can remember is during the Clinton administration. So why don't y'all step aside and let us have a go at running the country for a while. I trust that Barak Obama will be a fantastic leader in this time of needed reform and that he will produce jobs here as we funnel spending out of Iraq and back to the US (where we are clearly in trouble). And as far as smearing...I haven't heard anyone on the Obama campaign indicate the McCain might be affiliated with the KKK which is just as ridiculous as implying that Obama is affiliated with terrorists...now that is a smear and the Republican party is famous for it don't you know. So paproudmom I do resent that you have implied that I don't want to work hard and resent others that do because I am a Democrat...I am not, however, going to call you a typical Republican...I just think you have made an error in logic that is common of those who support the Republican Party.

re: The Importance of Pennsylvania

Caleb Murdock — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:22:54 GMT

Can somebody tell me why Barr and Nader are not being factored into the polls? On election day, they could make a difference. Barr won't take many votes from McCain because the conservatives are happy with Palin, but Nader might take some votes from Obama (those voters who just can't vote for a black man). Can you look into this, Andrew?

My site:

The Lies of John McCain

www.liesofjohnmccain.com

re: The Importance of Pennsylvania

eagle2352 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:29:22 GMT

The numbers are so bleak.. but not only for McCain and Know Nothing but for the down ballot folks as well. With all the new dems voting .. yes including Mickey Mouse.. and the front line of the Bears, the change that we are going to see in both the house and senate is going to be transformational. The damage that the Bush years have done to us are not going to be corrected over night but with some care we can correct a lot of the disaster that he has caused. McCain has to do something for the next two weeks, even if it is fruitless, with the early voting numbers being counted now, as soon as the polls close in each state CNN wil be able to make the call. it's not going to be close. you talk about OH being in play, I saw the raw data from a recent poll.. only 15% of the people thought Mccain even had a chance. It was dead even 45 45 who voted for Bush last time.. this time it is almost 60% for the O man.. no Ohio is gone, VA is gone, PA is gone, and guess what GA is only leaning toward McCain we might get a two-fur and dump the slug Chamblis at the same time as adding our electoral votes to the landslide.

But my message to anybody reading this is to go vote now. Vote Today for who ever is your candidate,as Nov 4th is going to be a disaster. get in line now and make your vote count. Don't wait.. your intention to vote vs my early vote, is worth 3 or 4 to 1 .. huge advantage.

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t.andrews — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:36:58 GMT

paproudmom: setting aside the many of the issues under debate here, it's worth noting with all due respect that your experience is may not necessarily be indicative of PA residents at large. The simple fact is that our state's urban centers in the SW and SE have a much larger impact on this and every statewide/national election's ultimate outcome (see http://www.cccarto.com/swingstates/penn_2004/index.html -- and that was 4 years ago). I have deep roots in and an abiding affection for SC PA, but to imply that it is representative of the PA electorate, much less predictive of this election's outcome, is a bit silly. I say this as a Republican and Pennsylvanian.

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paproudmom — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:39:06 GMT

pinky-tiger - I have got news for you. Having a successful business is not a privilege that was handed to us. We have worked hard for everything we have. We pay a good deal in taxes so we are contributing very much that way. We also contribute in other ways. Going to farm dinners was not something that we do all the time but was referencing contacts where we understand what farmers are saying. I guess you think those people are privileged too. Both my husband and I put ourselves through college, and he puts in 80 plus hours a week. Hardly a privilege. You or no one else is owed. This attitude is sad and your assumptions are ignorant. We have only had one new car in our lifetime. Our cars are 2001 and 2004 and were bought used. We will not be buying any cars for awhile because we are helping our daugher and two nieces through college. You see we actually give to others. Not just in taxes. Your anger is misplaced, Jealousy and envy is ugly.

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paproudmom — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:42:43 GMT

to t.andrews I was pointing out this area is heavily republican. But I agree that the city areas are much more democratic. The past elections have been close. Central Pa did play a role in this. Thanks for your comments.

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RJ2008 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:22:26 GMT

I am an independent from PA and I am pretty much convinced that McCain has no chance here. Obama has a lead of close to 13 points now and the aggressive tactics of McCain might bring it down to 10 or something by polling day. That's the simple truth. I am also sure Obama will make time to come 2 more times instead of one before the election day. Even in Ohio Obama will win but with a less margin like 2 or 3. McCain is campaigning here for the simple reason that he got no choice. With the lead of Obama in every Bush carrying state from 2004, PA is the only chance for him to come close to 270, not reach it. Obviously he will spend time here but the state is out of his reach now.

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paproudmom — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:43:44 GMT

The polls are all over the place in PA. I really doubt that it is 13 points. Time will tell. It will be hard for McCain to carry the state but not impossible. I wonder why Rendell is urging Obama to come back and campaign her if he has such a lead? It is interesting.

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ALLEAS — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:05:00 GMT

REPUBLICANS CAN ALWAYS STEAL PENNSYLVANIA. I WONDER IF THIS TACTIC HAS OCCURED TO THEM. THEY ARE GOOD AT STEALING ELECTIONS, SO THEY NEED TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST.

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attagirl — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:56:47 GMT

No way will McCain and his sorry sidekick win in Pennsylvania! Now, for sure, I am going to go out this weekend and work for Obama, and the next weekend, too. I am thoroughly sick of the "holier than thou" attitude of the Republicans, and being told by the right-wingers that the rest of us are not "real" Americans or not patriotic or whatever. With McCain in office that sentiment would just continue. Enough! It's my country, too.

South Central Pennsylvanian

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ICYEYES800 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:04:29 GMT

Regardless of what the polls say, I have FAITH in the people of Penn. to DO THE RIGHT THING....as I do ALL PATRIOTIC AMERICAN to vote for McCain...Obama is clearly not ready for the position of President...He's just not seasoned, and hasn't done the groundwork for an Obama White House.....As Biden so clearly said, "he's a good boy, but he's clearly not ready for the Presidency"..that was BEFORE he took the seecond spot on the ticket...I believe that in spite, of the overwhelming prejudice of the media, PEOPLE across this nation, still cherish the gift of our freedom and will do whatever it takes to ensure it's Future.. McCain/Palin '08

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Nins — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:56:51 GMT

It turns out that RNC has spent $150,000 on clothes for Sarah Palin. They also spent $100 for a romper and hat for little Trig, which he wore on stage at the GOP convention.

A hundred dollar onesie? (And these people are saying that Obama would be a profligate spender.)

Did you know that the outfit Cindy McCain wore when she appeared at the convention cost $330,000?

The RNC says that later Sarah's clothes will be donated to charity. OK, so some homeless person will get to wear this stuff on the streets of New Orleans. (Maybe this is the RNC's version of "trickle down spending.") But wouldn't the homeless be better served by $150,000 donation to a shelter or a food bank than by designer clothing?

Fifteen years ago, McCain wrote an amendment to tighten the law on using campaign funds for personal items like clothing and stylists. In May of 1993, McCain said this on the Senate floor "The use of campaign funds for items which most Americans would consider to be strictly personal reasons, in my view, erodes public confidence and erodes it significantly."

I guess he forgot what his prior position was. Again.

Just like he forgot that he used to be pro-Choice and pro-gay marriage and pro-immigration reform. He also forgot that he used to be afiliated with ACORN, and with G. Gordon Liddy. If he is lying to cover up what his prior positions have been, shame on him. If he really can't remember, maybe the detractors who claim his mind is aging are correct.

One last thought: is the GOP paying for Bristol Palin's maternity wear?

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pinky_tiger — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:10:07 GMT

To paproudmom...

I was in no way trying to imply that you (or your husband) do not work hard for what you have achieved. The minivan comment was out of place and I apologize. But getting to go to college is a privilege...there are many folks who are not born into the opportunity to ever to be able to afford to go. It is great that you and your husband are working hard to put your daughters through college, but this is not everyone's experience...think outside the walls of you house and look into the communities around you. What if you weren't born with the opportunities that you have had...not to say you haven't worked hard...but you've had the opportunity for advancement that others just don't have and its the truth. You are a part of a democracy that operates in the best interests of its citizens...for example we are paying as taxpayers for a war that not everyone agrees with...but, that we as a nation decided was in the best interest of the citizens of the US. Do you have a problem paying for the cost of this war? There is a lot going on outside of you immediate or extended family that effects all of us...I am not angry with you paproudmom...just frustrated with Republicans in general and I apologize if my statements seemed angry to you. Right now I don't have a reason to be angry because I truly believe things are going to get better for all of us. By the way...I am anything but ignorant....I am equally not jealous or envious of you nor you family...sorry to disappoint..

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GregHere — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:42:01 GMT

...............................Pennsylvania should look at McCain and Palin more closely and realize that they are not top notch candidates worth voting for when they have seen the Bush Blunders month after month for almost 8 years.........The Bush Administration has been a Comedy Of Errors through his terms and the worst of it is the present Economic Crisis we are in. Surely Pennsylvanians have watched the Bush Administration govern so poorly and lie to us so much on television to make a similar mistake by electing McCain who at 72 1/2 now and going on 76 1/2 when the next term ends. Palin is involved still in the TrooperGate Scandal in Alaska and must give a Legal Deposition on Friday as will her husband Todd who is involved in it also. Palin and McCain are not the kind of people we need to lead America for the next years......You know this as well as I do!!!!

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Nowforthetruth — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:35:44 GMT

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27324419/

AP poll: Candidates running nearly even 10/22/08

Neck-and-neck results are a departure from many recent national polls

WASHINGTON - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party.

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paproudmom — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:41:50 GMT

to pinky tiger: Thanks for the apology. When we stand up for overselves sometimes it sounds like we don't care about people who are not doing as well but that is not the case. We really want to help others and do try. You are right college is a privelege, we know because we both worked and paid our way. Neither of us had parents who went to college. My dad worked for the railroad and in a power plant but through studying and test taking worked his way up to a high supervisory role in the plant. So we understand things can be difficult. That is why we help our daughter and nieces because we don't want them to have it as hard. There are many hard working Republicans like us. For instance my sister in law is a single mom and is a Republican, Most of our office staff are Republicans and they are not wealthy either I think the media makes it look otherwise. That is unfair and untrue.

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Azim — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:56:41 GMT

Pennsylvania "A Safe Win for Obama>' He will win this State by 15 points margin. You figure it out folks.

This is how Obama is winning in Pennsylvania. A remarkable democratic registration that is up by over one million votes, good get out the vote effort all through out the State with good field organizational operations and off course the cash advantage that Obama has.

With all these resources, there is no way that McCain will be able to compete in Pennsylvania. If other red States like Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida that gives Obama the advantage, I predict that it is going to be a landslide.