Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

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chadeen — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:07:26 GMT

I just have to say thank you, for confirming the suspicion that my electoral math couldn't be so far off that John McCain could somehow be threatening to take the lead. I understand the urge not to call the race early, McCain is known for his resilience after all, but these single polls seem to be purposefully misleading.

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Nowforthetruth — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:11:26 GMT

See: http://www.newsweek.com/id/164972

Stating that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act wasn't what caused the meltdown, and noting that "economists on both sides of the political spectrum have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been." And also:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

Even Bill Clinton points to liberal Congressional Democrats’ protection of Fannie and Freddie from scrutiny as a primary cause of the current economic meltdown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE

Obama in the last half of the this youtube link, says so as well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

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4carol — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:35:25 GMT

It's easy; polls are just like the candidates!!! Thye will say anything to get their side to believe it!!!

Today, McCain said that Obama would say anything to get elected!

Is there something wrong with MCCain's mirror???

He is so disgusting anymore, I cannot even stand to watch or listen to him!!

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tom1960 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:38:15 GMT

The Obama effect on Jobs.

It is a very simple formula but it can be used to calculate the minimum number of jobs LOST due to the Obama effect – increased taxes.

Take the taxable income of a business. Multiply that by the percent increase in their taxes. Divide that number by the average burdened salary (pay plus benefits, etc.). The result will be the minimum number of people that will lose their jobs to so their company can maintain the same cost structure and margins. Of course, other things need to be taken into consideration. When they are, the resulting number of layoffs will be even higher!!!

So, a company that has a taxable income of $5,000,000 with a tax increase of 3% and an average burdened salary of $45,000 will have to lay off 3 people to break even. If the burdened salary is $35,000, then they will have to lay off 4 people. This starts to kick in around $750,000. However, for large companies, the tax increase will be significant and the effect on jobs will be much higher.

Get a clue Obama fans, there will be NO wealth to spread around!!!

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nickielane — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:57:41 GMT

Hey Christians out there. Just remember to vote with the Bible. Obama is for Gay marriage, Abortion, aborted fetuses used in stem cell resarch, on...and on... McCain at least is more on the Bible side in these issues.

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tgray210 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:09:12 GMT

Andrew - please stop using your high school class picture.

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sleepy bear — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:15:23 GMT

Do you really want to start posting clips to look at? McCain has hung himself over and over again!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2 Spend a couple of hours on You Tube you will not believe what an angry old hot head we are dealing with here.

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schmenkman — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:17:24 GMT

Christians, don't forget helping the less fortunate, speaking out against war, not judging others, and so on. You may conclude, like many, that a vote with the Bible is a vote for Barack Obama.

Mr. Romano, thanks for the interesting article.

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Kansas4Obama — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:18:02 GMT

Hey Christians, I voted for Obama and I'm a Christian. Why?

His taxing policy is more lord-like: share the wealth was nearly a direct quote from the bible.

McCain would rather give more wealth to the wealthy and make the poor suffer further - not lord-like at all. Would McCain call Jesus a socialist for wanting to help the poor and for hoping that people with money would give to those who need it????

He probably wouldn't, but he has no problem slinging mud at Obama with all sorts of name calling, smearing - not Jesus-like at all...

Now I would agree with nickielane that you should vote with the Bible, but the Bible is on the side of Obama. And McCain is on the wrong side of history.

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WidernessVoice — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:22:00 GMT

Hey, Christians out there. Just remembert to vote with the Bible. McCain is for 100 years of war, bombing Iran, divorcing the woman who stood behind him when he was a POW to marry a rich Barbie, unfettered greed, Keating corruption, on..and on...

Obama at least is more on the Bible side of these issues.

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Irondog — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:22:09 GMT

Yes, nickie, it is so true. "Thou shalt not researcheth thine stemeth cell." Meh. Mixing religion and politics is a fool's game. It is an insult to religion and of little use in determining solutions to complex problems. Sure it is easier to just say "I'm right because the bible says so" but that just doesn't prove useful very often.

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paulte — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:22:54 GMT

I'm very skeptical of the polling results in general. I remember when Ronald Reagan was down in the polls but he went on to whip Jimmy Carter's U-No-Wot! The media frenzy for Obama now is similar to the media angst about the possibility of a Reagan win. Things have changed a lot since 1980. For one thing, we conservatives now have our own media outlets, folks like Rush, etc.. But the mainstream media is 100% liberal. And who is doing all the polling? Why mainstream media outlets!

I'm not saying they are actually doctoring results (although some of that may be going on). But there are hundreds of ways to "finesse" results to make them come out the way you want them to come out. Does not the pollster choose the sample? Are liberals people of honor? Most certainly not! They believe in situational ethics, utilitarianism, the end justifies the means, etc. I wouldn't trust a liberal any furhter than I could throw him!

AND REMEMBER BEFORE YOU VOTE THAT WHEN OBAMA HAD THE CHANCE TO VOTE AGAINST THE HORROR OF PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION, HE VOTED "PRESENT" IN THE ILLINOIS SENATE. HE WOULD NOT TAKE A STAND. HE IS NOT A PERSON OF HONOR! SEND HIM BACK TO CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rangersmith1997 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:24:17 GMT

tom1960,

I guess under your model Exxon won't make any money in the future. Also, clearly any new tax must represent money that is lost into a blackhole of government, never to be spent again.

Here's an idea, start advocating for fiscal responsibility when your party is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. If the goverment is going to be irresponsible and run up ridiculous deficits no matter what, then it makes sense that the irresponsibility benefits someone besides the Chairman of Lehman Bros. and owners of tax-free businesses in the Caymans. Fair tax policy accomplishes this, and maybe the next time your party is in power you can bring down the deficit for us.

Do you honestly think that all corporate profits are earned, and not the product of leverage and power? Give me a break. Every member of society who works should be compensated for total wealth of society to the extent of their creation. This should not be diminshed by the lack of power or control of capital that average Americans face. Wealth should not all go to one class of power holders based on your gimmicky economic model. Trickle-on economics. The commie model is bad too, in that it seeks to reward non-workers or non-contributive workers, but your version of reality is simply the other extreme. If you don't like laws or rules I'll be happy to take your money, since it wouldn't be a felony.

Nickielane,

Jesus could not possbily support four more years of trickle on economics. Remember, he's the guy who helped the disenfranchised members of his society.

Somehow, I also don't think Jesus would support killing a woman to save a child. McCain says the exception for the life of the mother is ambiguous, but I doubt he would waiver even if clear standards could be set for what constitutes medically recognized threats to life. Obama is not as radical on this one as you would believe. Sorry, but McCain is extreme and Jesus disagrees with him.

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rube — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:28:00 GMT

At least McCain votes for the bible...

isnt that what "W" spewed about mccain? Yes sir!

Whats so Christain about an arbitarry war that has killed near 200,000 citizens of the earth?

about the handeling of katrina?

about millions of Americans losing their homes, their families tossed into the streets?

about the worst federal debt in history- our schools our health care our retirements all tossed out the window into the GOP trash Bin. Theres nothing Christain /American or just about the last eight years! Obama has never advocated gay marrige! lies! A civil union!

He believes one should be educated and responsible to understand birth control as to avoid unwanted pregnancy! Believes that adoption should be more atainable.

And stem cell research is a no brainer- it will help the masses with better alternatives to illnesses.

You need to come out of your cave and read a little bit, learn something about this thing called science! Poor you nickielane!

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Crowan — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:29:25 GMT

Tom1960,

Please learn something about taxes before posting about the issue. First, there are exceedingly few companies making anywhere near $5,000,000 that would be taxed under the individual income tax code. Most such companies would be taxed under a separate corporate code, so your whole premise is bunk. Second, these companies would receive credits for certain health expenditures under Obama's tax plan that would offset or perhaps exceed much of the additional burden. Third, you can't assume that you would have the same margins after firing people, and potentially losing revenue as a result, so you're "model" is way too simplistic. But you don't need to listen to me. Take a look at history -- a natural experiment. Did we see job gains that were inverse to the losses you imagine when Bush decreased taxes on the 250K+ bracket from the Clinton level (identical to the Obama level) to the Bush level (identical to the McCain level)? Absolutely not! In fact, I'd wager that just about everyone on this board and almost anywhere else on this country felt better about the economy and job securty under Clinton than Bush.

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jduncan3321 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:32:04 GMT

none of the interested parties has any incentive to disagree

But Andrew, you're an interested party (aka Obama hack), and you disagree.

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seniorcitizenadvocate — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:35:26 GMT

To Senior Citizens:

Charge the batteries in the wheel chair. Put speed wheels on your walkers. Do whatever is necessary to get out there for Obama. I know I am. My social security and medicare are lifelines. I no longer can afford supplementary health insurance. McCain shows no compassion for those earning less than $250.000 and that includes many of our senior citizen. It even includes Joe The Plumber--the Real Joe The Plumber not the dubious rich persons (actors?) McCain uses in his campaign ads. Keep Social Security. Keep Medicare. Vote Obama

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bigloo — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:42:10 GMT

When are the cell phone databses going to be used by the Pollsters in these models to include the younger demographic? The talking points are tired, the horse is dead, lets get this thing over with..Of course Joe Madison says it aint over on Nov 4, and the election will end up in court like 2000 due to voting irregularities. Say it aint so Joe! Florida still doesnt have it together, after 8 years and perhaps that is design intent, cuz the only way McCain steals this pig, lipstick and all, is thru the courts.

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bobcat4424 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:45:03 GMT

There is another reason for one-point lead polls that young Mr. Romano doesn't mention. The media (including Newsweek) have a vested interest in a close horse race, even if it doesn't exist. A close race sells magazines, and newspapers, and ad time --- a runaway doesn't. The polls-for-pay people depend on the media for their income. If the poll outcomes don't show a close race, they are likely to take their polling dollars elsewhere next time. Zogby has written extensively about this. My suggestion is that you disregard all polls for pay (such as AP, WSJ, NBC, etc) and all affiliated polls (such as Strategic Vision) and look only at non-affiliated, not-for-profit polling. It won't make Newsweek happy, but it will give you a much more accurate guage of what is happening.

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Dolores Bertrand — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:45:52 GMT

THANKS ANDREW! I NEEDED THIS REASSURANCE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MEDIA IN GENERAL SEEMING TO BOW DOWN TO MCCAIN'S WHINING COMPLAINTS THAT HE'S BEING NEGLECTED - AND I GUESS THE BIG $$$$ GUYS HAVE PUT THEIR 'FOOT' DOWN AND SAID "FEATURE MCCAIN", "FEATURE MCCAIN".....OTHERWISE PICK UP YOUR LAST CHECK WHEN YOU LEAVE THE BUILIDNG.

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ThePCGuy — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:46:01 GMT

nickielame, sorry to pile on, but the bible i read makes no mention of gay marriage, abortion, or stem cells. Neither does Winnie-the-Pooh, and at least it has pictures! The point is, they are both fairy tales written to make you feel better, McCain is creating some fairy tales of his own, for the same reason. Please stop helping the neo-cons subvert traditional GOP ideals with their mirage of "values" issues. Even die-hard Republicans should agree that they need to regroup after this election and start grooming a candidate with some intellectual heft that doesn't come across as your scolding grandfather.

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nickgr — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:52:07 GMT

This thread is about poll accuracy.

Many are the weapons of propaganda.

One of the most sleazy is the "fake converts " as I call them...

U know the story...

" I am a lifelong Rep but now I vote for Obama",

etc.

It is a reality that the media are left-wing,all over the world...

But "fake convert " stories we will take no more...

IMO,this election will be decided by the..undecided...

If they go with the Obamania or they react to it.

The economy & the 8 years of Rep presidencies are a factor...

If Hillary was a candidate she should win by a landslide.

But Obama is anti-american, anti-white, anti-christian.

He belongs to the extreme left.

Even to the left of Kennedys & Dukakis.

So,the undecided should reluctantly vote for McCain.

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sanramonca — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:41:09 GMT

To Tom1960:

Here's how I look at it. I own a small business. My customers can't afford as much as they used to, so my business is down significantly over last year and I've cut payroll (i.e., down-sized). At best, the future growth of many small businesses like mine, under the trickle-down philosophy which got us in this pickle, probably looks flat. If there were some way to get more money into the hands of my middle class customers, then my income as a business owner has a better chance of going up. So it seems to me that if my middle-class customers could get a tax break, then my business would be better off. And if my income as a business owner can go up 10% or 20% or 30%, but my taxes would go up less than that (which would be the case under Obama's plan), then I come out ahead, both personally as well as from the standpoint of continuing to grow my business and thereby hire more people, which is everyone's aim. The goal of trickle-down economics is to get money into the hands of the middle class also, but the way it does it is to cut taxes on large corporations and wealthy individuals, then presume that will create jobs, and that this will increase middle class wages. It all sounds okay to me too, except that we tried it and this is where it got us. Maybe it's because not all wealthy people own small businesses which both parties agree are the real job-generators for the economy. I'm planning to vote for Obama, but it's all based on how I can best keep my business afloat and my family financially secure. If someone can convince me how I'm thinking about this wrong, I'm glad to be persuaded.

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obama12 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:43:02 GMT

paulte, not that you're speaking factual, but in case you want to....Obama voted present on late term abortions because a law was already on the books in IL....his present vote was in compliance with the IL Medical board. Your untruthful statement is in complete accordance of McCain's campaign policies; cite an untruth, have the truth come out, keep stating said untruth. It isn't working for McCain, it isn't working for you.

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joelaw DDS — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:53:43 GMT

Thanks Andrew for taking time to explain the jigsaw puzzle of poll analysis. Since pollsters too are human the flesh would come in occasionally, and a biased analysis is presented to the unsuspecting public. lam of the opinion that there is no way McCain can catch up with Obama. Lets give it to Obama, he has forever changed the face of electioneering campaign in America. Together with his team they have put up an incredible machine. It shows the level headedness and organizational leadership he possesses. Go Obama.

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stpblk — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:43:41 GMT

Seriously, I am seing America today becoming a dictatorship like a country where I came from:Cameroon.Where Cameroon tribune sings praises to the president all day long.If the MSM can not be objective in informing the mass.Withoutfear from the press Obama as president may become a dictator asthe press praise,explaine,excuse or even hide all mistakes and wrong decisions he will make.

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Chredon — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:48:40 GMT

SanramonCA: Your analysis of the situation is absolutely correct. Trickle-down does not work unless the people who are making the money use it to create jobs, which they may not - they may send it to their Cayman Island account, or just use it to trade paper (stocks) with other investors. The fallacy of trickle-down is that INVESTING is what drives our economy. In fact, it is COMMERCE that drives our economy. And I can prove it.

When the government wants to stimulate the economy, do they give investors a boatload of money? No, they give money to the middle class in the hopes that they will spend it. This is true of Democrats and Republicans alike - economic stimulus comes from people spending money. Now imagine if, instead of this stimulus being a once-in-a-while affair that requires borrowing the money, middle-class people had more money to spend every month due to tax breaks? Constant, continuous economic stimulus package!

Consider General Motors - they are currently sitting on lots of new cars that they cannot sell. Becuase they have cars they cannot sell, they are cutting production and laying people off. Is giving the President of GM 5 million dollars going to help sell those cars? Nope. Is giving GM a 25-billion dollar loan going to sell those cars? No, unless they use it to offer buying incentives that lower the price. GM can modernize their facilities all they want, but if they can't sell cars, they won't make money.

What does GM need to help move their inventory? CUSTOMERS. And if you give a little extra money to the middle-class people who need a car, maybe they can afford the down-payment. Then they buy cars, GM can keep making them, which keeps more people employed, and eventually trickles UP to the President of GM.

The point is that when you give money to rich people, they can decide what to do with it. When you give money to poor and middle-class people, they will, almost 100%, SPEND it, which is what you need for economic stimulus.

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mariat — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:59:30 GMT

to: sanramonca and whomever else is still undecided:

I don't really know where to begin. I hope that everyone has a reason to vote for whom they are voting for, but for me, almost nothing Obama is promising is helpful to me and my family.

FIrst of all, I DO NOT believe that he will raise taxes for only people making only 250k. I am an Independent and for this reason I have been battling over who to vote for, so I watched both sides very, very carefully.

I do not make over 250k as a Realtor, but my company does. I know what will happen. Even if Obama is telling the truth about the people making over 250k, my company will most definitely be taxed higher. Guess who will pay for it? Us, the Agents. Our fees will all go up as will any supplies we use and have to pay for, Administrative Fees which clients have to pay, etc., etc. My fees and operating costs will go up so sky high, I along with fellow agents will need to raise our commissions on our clients. There is no way around it. So, whether Obama will directly tax me higher or not (and I believe he will), my company certainly will affect my business. I have heard so many economists talking about both plans, as well as reading about it in Consumer Reports, and McCain's plans seem to be better for most people. Even McCain's Health Plan is better for most people, even for those who have big health issues.

The most dangerous thing for me is, that we already have a democratic congress and House. So, if we add a Democratic President, what do you think will happen??? This country will change and I strongly believe this. We will all move to the left. The dems are already talking about the Fairness Act and how they want to bring it back. This will grossly affect freedom of speech. Last week and the other day, Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank ( I truly believe is is just one of the few people who got us into this mess) have been talking about higher taxes. Frank said to expect and "a huge tax increase", now I don't quite know who he said this to, but it truly scares me.

I think we really need division in this Government. And since I am independent, being in the middle, living in a very Liberal country would truly be a bad thing.

Please think about your votes, those of you who are undecided. I truly feel that even if either one will not affect you much, or if you don't know much about either one, then McCain is at least the "safe choice".

But, this tax thing, mark my words, will NOT be the way Obama displays it. Once Pelosi and Reed get their hands on him, because he is so wet behind the ears, I feel they are going to call the shots. And, that is not a good thing.

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Change_Is_Good — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:06:13 GMT

Mariat: How did you get along under the Clinton administration? Did you do well? You do understand that taxes under the Clinton administration were actually slightly lower than under the Bush administration the last 8 years. You do know that, don't you?

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nickgr — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:11:43 GMT

I agree with mariat,

the "undecided ",the centrist Dems & the Indies can swing this election.

After all said & done,Obama is the most leftist candidate ever...

America does not need that kind of "change"...

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redtodd78 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:22:00 GMT

Mariat: Last time I checked, business expenses were tax deductible. Also, how many people are buying houses or other real estate today thanks to economic collapse due in part to the laissez-faire policies of the Bush Administration?

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Nowforthetruth — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:05:16 GMT

Obama in this video, addressing his work with ACORN litigation relating to the community reinvestment act and the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, as they relate to the current real estate and financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

"Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

He further states:

“"The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

Obama in this second video is campaigning at a convention of Acorn and I believe two other "Community Activist" organizations. Ask if he will be their ally if he becomes President, Obama says, quote:

“Yes, but let me say that before I even get inaugurated, during the transition we are going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. We’re going to be having meetings all across the country with community organizations so that you have input into the agenda for the next presidency of the United States of America.

See and hear it for yourself. Obama promised that Acorn and other groups like it will setting his agenda if elected:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

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mariat — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:46:27 GMT

To: redtodd78:

Clearly you don't own a piece of the Real Estate business. Yes, SOME of the business expenses are tax deductible, however, that ONLY helps me after I file once a year. Imagine just how hard it is for us to pay anywhere from 1k to 3k a month for "desk fees", to your company who holds your license, OR a quarterly fee totaling about 600/quarter if you don't have "monthly" fees. THis is in addition, to MLS fees, Keybox fees, marketing expenses, ADs, etc., etc., etc. I don't get reimbursed monthly from the governement. So, how do you think I can put food on the table for my 3 kids and all of my other living expenses, when I don't bring much in to begin with, because you are right, there is not as much business as there was a few years ago. However, some Agents are having record high sales.

So, my point is, when I do get that listing, I HAVE to charge more in an Obama registration, especially, just to offset all of the costs above, which WILL go up with Obama. NOt to mention: Listings are taking MUCH longer to sell in some cases more than a year. Imagine all the advertising I have to do in that time. It all costs money. And, what about all the buyers out there? Many are being choose, taking 6 months or even a year to decide on a house. All this time, I am wasting gas. Some are just "looky loos" which eventually I can figure out.

I hope you just clearly didn't understand my type of job and that's why you made the comment about business expenses being tax deductible. I hope you weren't just being rude and ignorant.

But, I guess the latter is true, otherwise, you would be naming Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, Fannie, Freddie and ALL THOSE OTHER DEMOCRATS which are too much to mention. After all, they do have control of the house and senate, AND their approval rating is LESS THAN BUSHES. How do you explain that one???

This email is also meant for the yest of you. Don't let ignorant people make you make the wrong decision in this election. NOTHING this guy says is as cut and dry as he tries to make it.

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mariat — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:50:12 GMT

To: change_is_good

(I'd like to add, "not with Obama": For your information, I didn't even start in the Real Estate Business until May of 2002. And, if you must now......I was DOING MUCH BETTER during the first 3 years or so.

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nickgr — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:29:23 GMT

Economic issues are complex...

Better base our decision on candidate's character & ideology.

Ayers & Wright characterise Obama.

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darrelcc — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:51:23 GMT

Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan (October 23, 2008 at 9:43 PM)

This moronic scumbag Samuel J. Wurzelbacher "Joe the Plumber" (racist pathological liar, twice divorced wife beater, terrible father with a failing 13 year old punk), had his AZ driver license suspended.

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It amazes me how you left wing loonies somehow believe that if you smeer the person asking a question it somehow makes a candidates absurd answer to the question somehow null and void. Who cares about all this trash you dug up on the plumber guy. It doesn't change the fact that when asked a question, Obama said he wanted to turn the United States into the USSR by following the Marxist doctrine of "spreading the wealth around." We see how well that worked out for the USSR.

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mariat — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:05:54 GMT

Well said, Darrelcc.

It amazes me how the left, like "ObamaYesWeCan" (the question is, "who will it be good for") smear and slander McCain/Palin with such ignorant and completely vulgar comments and yet, the Republicans are somehow so unfair with negative attacks. Polls after polls say the Dems along with Obama SMEAR MUCH MORE and have MANY MORE NEGATIVE ATTACKS on McCain. The numbers are so unbelievably high that I have to believe it's not just Repubs who think so.

But, you know what.....knowing this makes me want to vote EVEN MORE for McCain/Palin!!!!! If this is how the Dems treat their opponents, just how well do you think they will treat the AMERICAN PEOPLE if he and his cronies get into the White House!

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darrelcc — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:19:07 GMT

Member Comments Posted By: mariat (October 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM)

Well said, Darrelcc.

It amazes me how the left, like "ObamaYesWeCan" (the question is, "who will it be good for") smear and slander McCain/Palin with such ignorant and completely vulgar comments and yet,

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So true, poor Thomas Jefferson must be rolling over in his grave to see what has become of his once great Democratic party.

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doneresearch — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:43:06 GMT

Maybe if the Media spent more time searching for and reporting the facts, we wouldn't have posters on this and other sites leaving such ignorant rants. Every aspect of Gov Palin's life has been torn into; now she's being pressured into releasing her medical records. Obama smokes - let's see his records. And here are a few facts for you to chew on: According to the US Senate Roll Call Vote of 2007, 72% of the time Democrats voted the same as McCain, Independents 48%, Obama 31%. In 2006, Dems were with McCain for a whopping 85%, with Obama voting with him 48%.

And the way the Ayers Connection is swept under the rug is amazing. Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn, Paul and Heather Booth - from the Weathermen and SDS groups - cross paths with Obama over and over again and firmly link him with ACORN. Hillary tried to bring this up in her campaign and Booth got her support by AFSCME pulled. Even she knows how dangerous the connection is.

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doneresearch — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:54:38 GMT

And I'm sorry, Andrew, for getting off topic. I distrust polls because they are so easily manipulated. Go to a Democratic area of the country and ask who they're voting for, and Obama will come out ahead every time. They can also be used to discourage people from going out to vote, as well as persuading others to head to the polls. I'd rather not hear about polls and see more investigative reporting.

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

jupmod — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:45:54 GMT

Some McCain supporters here should remember that McCain and Palin are no saints. Ayers was keep being brought up against Obama, but what about that radical political group connected with Palin? The one in Alaska that wants to see the state sucede from the USA? She is married to a member of that group! McCain is palling with lobbyists whom works for big greedy companies, especially Big Oil. Some of them are/were members of his campaign staff. So no matter how many times Ayers is brought up, McCain supporters should remember that your candidates are connected to bad people in the here-and-now compare to Ayers.

On topic, polls indeed are screwy. It's the reason why I was scratching my head when the AP poll came out. So many other polls indicate Obama leading, yet the AP poll came out saying otherwise. So how can this be? Quite confusing. Then again, if the poll was conducted by FOX, I'm not surprise it would show a favor toward McCain given FOX shown its colors to favor the Repubs and the convervatives. It's quite a radical station, for after all, it did gave one hour to people who thought the Apollo moon landings were a hoax.

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

nickgr — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:58:12 GMT

Polls can be manipulated.

The sad truth is that in 2004,Bush was ahead of the widow's loverboy all the time...

In all polls...

Thre is still time for Hillary's Democrats & Independents to vote smart,stop the african-socialist coalition which is hijacking the Democratic Party & make Hillary President in 2012.

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

jupmod — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:01:56 GMT

nickgr, most people do not care now for 2012. They are focus on the 2008 eleciton which is 13 days away. Hillary supports Obama for the 2008 run, so it's a slap to her face if any of her supporters support McCain.

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

nickgr — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:27:21 GMT

Well,Hillary is obliged to appear rallying for Obama,so as to have hopes in a future nomination.

The leftist activists hijacked the party & pirated the nominatiion,aided by idiot Indies & Reps...

She does what she has to do officially.

The Hillary's Democrats,18 million strong, must do the right thing...unofficially.

And decide this election...

It's payback time.

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

mariat — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:03:13 GMT

I agree with Nick.

There is no way Hilary or Bill want Obama to win. REason being, that if he does, he most certainly will run a second term and Hillary will not run. If McCain wins, he probably would not seek a second term, which opens up the door to Hillary. Quite a WIDE door in fact.

I believe Hillary and Bill are "campaigning" for Obama just as much as they have to in order not to look like a sore loser. But, if you've heard, she was asked to "take on" Sarah Palin when Sarah was first announced and Hillary WOULD NOT DO IT. She has also turned downed a number of times she was asked to campaign. Just does what she absolutely has to and that is it!!!

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

nickgr — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:50:57 GMT

Let's see if there will be an...underground movement of Hillary's Dems to McCain...

A stealth move,under the radar of pollsters,which may give the win to pops...

Florida,Pennsylvania,Ohio...

On the contrary,if Hussein wins then a nightmare follows...

Wins again 2012,

2016-2020 Rep prez...

By 2020,Hillary will be...73.

Can't wait that long.

FL,PA,OH Hillary's Dems...Vote Smart !

WE 've got the power to decide this election.

re: Is This Really a 1 Point Race?

rexymeteorite — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:38:42 GMT

Whatever I already voted for Obama.

But, of course, I am an "Oregon Liberal". Oh, god! Not peace, love and equal liberty! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!