Hillary's Idea of Fun

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

Azim — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:55:00 GMT

It seems to me that Hillary has made a strategic mistake by uttering the word "it is going to be fun" over Obama's charecter issue. She should be little careful at this stage of the campaign specially in Iowa. She needs to talk more about her policies rather than a bit personal about a candidate. As you know that Iowan's do not like a candidate that uses a negetive persona of the other candidate and that itself will be achilies hill for Hillary.

Than again, history suggests that the Iowan's usually waits long time before they make up their mind and caucus for a candidate. No one is actually paying attention to Senator Biden and what if those Iowan's decide to vote for him and that itself will perhaps make the election in Iowa very interesting. So, stay tuned until some one makes a terrible mistake on January 3rd, 2007.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

greenbug — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:00:59 GMT

The way she trashed obama on his kindergarten record will show her to be petty and desperate. She looks more like she's frantically lashing out rather then employing smart strategy - which this is not.

voters will ask if she is capable to be president if she is acting so rash and angry. And the relish in attacking a fellow democrat will make them question where her real loyalties lay.

her fatal mistake was her own doing by coming off as the cold and calculating pol she is portrayed as.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

freepak — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:04:08 GMT

We are now seeing hillary's feeble attempts at humor and that is a sign of desperation. In 3rd grade, I did not want to a fireman or president but I did want to be a cowboy. This latest move makes her campaign look silly. However, I am waiting for someone question her "35 years of fighting" for this or that cause. That takes us back to 1972 when she graduated from law school. We need to consider her work on the Watergate committe as well as her flunking the DC Bar exam. There is much to doubt about her honesty.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

guitfreak — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:45:46 GMT

This kind of nonsense does nothing to diminish Obama, but serves only to reinforce HRC's ruthless and mean-spirited reputation. For someone who is supposedly the smartest woman in the world, this seems pretty brain-dead.

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politicod — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:37:04 GMT

Hillary's present posture is non-front-runner-like. It appears to me that she has become over-anxious. Obama's reluctance to engage in this silliness is very statesman-like. She comes off as shrill, and he comes off as Presidential. The very smart people in her campaign are giving her very bad advice. Iowans do not like negative campaigning. I think she takes a real risk following this path, especially since neither Obama nor Edwards seems eager to repond.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

TickleMe — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:38:54 GMT

Blah, Blah, Blah about Hillary, if you don't like her then vote for Obama and leave it at that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

vertigal — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:52:39 GMT

Hilary is a cold ***.....that's not news to anyone. She reminds us of the evil 'cheerleader mother' or 'Mommy dearest'....I'm all for strong women in politics, but she's been obsessed about running the free world since she was the first lady. She is scary! I hope Obama kicks her butt!

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

Boulder Sue — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:24:56 GMT

Yeah, the now the fun begins was pretty out of line, I thought. I remember uttering the same words the day the Americans set up that staged pulling down of Saddam's statue. That phrase as used by Hillary seemed kind of nasty. She is very capable, I am sure, and if she is the nominee I will vote for her, but the nastiness should be saved for those who deserve it: the folks with bad memories, those who hedge and, let's face it, lie. I don't see that in Obama. He doesn't deserve her sarcastic remarks.

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Pro-Constitution Whiz Kid — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:49:57 GMT

I hope Hillary and Obama keep bickering and mudsling each other right out of the race. When compared to Ron Paul, neither of them comes off with much of a pro-America profile. Hillary is for gay rights and abortion, and Obama doesn't exactly advertise it that he is a Muslim,as his father and stepfather were, or that his mother was an atheist.

I grew up pledging allegiance to "One nation, under God," and I'm not going to stand by and see that changed to "under Allah" or "under Mohammed."

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

Boulder Sue — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:06:59 GMT

That was such a cynical and nasty thing to say, I could hardly believe it, as if trying to destroy another candidate, let alone a fellow Democrat whom she may well end up having to support later was a wise thing. I don't believe she is really that mean a person, but it really came off badly, and she'd better get a handle on what just pops out of her mouth. Remember George Allen? Where is he now?

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

onanysunday — Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:23:54 GMT

For the better part of two decades we've either had a Clinton or a Bush occupying the White House. Isn't it time for a change? A new direction? How complacent have we become with the malific image we continue to spread to the rest of the world? I wish Obama would start differentiating himself from the pack by explaining to the American people in great detail how he is the candidate to bring about change with regards to the Middle East and re-building America's shattered image across the world. During a speech, Obama once said he would travel to the foreign countries where we have created bitter enemies and make amends with their world leaders. How is this not a good idea and how many other candidates are truly willing to make this sort of meaningful exchange that leads to a de-escalation of U.S. related foreign conflicts? I believe he is a humble and genuine person who may actually be capable in achieveing this, instead of the hollow posturing of the other candidates. It is very likely Obama would proactively seek out new negotiations and understandings with foreign relations and attempt to heal the wounds the current presidency has dealt to America and the rest of the world. Let's be realistic here for just a moment..How many terrorists are we going to have to kill before we exterminate every last one of them? It is already ensured that the young family members of the terrorsists we kill seek retribution on the U.S.-most likely for the rest of their life. And what about their kids? Are they going to forget the destruction we have wrought to their grandfathers? This self-perpetuating cycle needs to end now, before it gets any more despicable and detrimental than it has already become.

Bottom line. The next president whomever they are, will be starting out their presidency at a handicap-trying to heal the lengthy list of open wounds and looming injustices that we've created abd dealt to our world image. We must rectify these injustices before any of the new initiatives by the future president can be heard and acted upon by the new vision and direction of our new leader.

It matters to me that America regains its stature in the global community as an example; a nation that leads by setting a positive example, not force-feeding our narrow version of capitalism and democracy as "God's only way" to salvation? There is so much being left unsaid here. What we desperately need as a nation and as a world is de-escalation of violence, hatred and terrorism. Obama urged that we need to be getting rid of WMD's and nuclear weapons. How is this not a good message to spread to the rest of the world? In essence, he is saying to the rest of the world that we are not a pressing threat to the rest of the world and we should therefore not be treated like one. We reap what we sow. So why not spread a message of reconciliation and tolerance for other nations and cultures instead of strong-arming them into submission? Being a civil rights lawyer, I can't help but think Obama actually stands for peace, understanding and "actual" foreign reconciliation versus more death, intolerance, ignorance, imperialism and destruction that "politics as usual" from some of the other candidates will bring to the rest of the world in the upcoming presidency.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

Badd_Toad — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:31:58 GMT

These people are the best the Democratic Party has to offer?? This crazy lady will tax us into the poor house paying for a battery of tests every time someone has a runny nose. Obama wants to travel the world sucking up to every country that supposedly "hates" us. The reason they do in the first place is because Liberals have been running around telling everyone what a horrible country we are just so they can get a drop in Bush's approval rating. I don't even want to go into the trial lawyer.

Elect anyone of these people and 10 years from now you won't even be able to yell at your neighbor. Either he won't speak English or you will be locked up for hurting someones feelings. Unless that someone is a white Christian. Then if they yell back they will go to jail. Come on one of the biggest reasons this country is a wonderful place to live is because you can go 3000 miles and still talk to people!

And believe me the Republicans are no better. Hell, if this is best a nation of 300 million has to offer, we are in trouble!

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

Woody34 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:58:59 GMT

For crying out loud, Andrew? Can't you recognize sardonic humor when you read it? Hilary's use of the word "fun" doesn't mean at all what you tried to read into it. She used it exactly as I would have in expressing dismay at the change in tone from Obama. The word "fun", with emphasis the way she put it, indicated to me that she was sadly recognizing the possibility of unpleasantries beginning, yet in hoping that it wouldn't be, she tried to put a little twist of humor to it, perhaps in so doing preventing worse things from proceeding. She was trying to put civil balance into the exchange. It is a kind of reverse humor, but it is definitely humor.

Some people criticize Hillary because they just misunderstand her wit and her intellect; and they call her self-control and dignity "cold and hard". Oh, would that more could be like her! Perhaps one would do better to recognize a rare jewel for what it is rather than criticize it for its brightness just because of its rarity.!

Woody34

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

keinl1 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:47:47 GMT

Where's Perot when you need him? Now that guy is fun. Or W. snorting coke in the frat house... THATS really fun. Someone should have told her that there's no place for fun in politics.

Poor Hillary. She couldn't buy charm in a bracelet shop.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

1950democrat — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:42:32 GMT

<I>the "fun" quote capped the first full week of Clinton on offense against her colleague from Illinois<I>

That would put Hillary's 'on offense' starting in late November -- 9 months after Obama's first 'salvo' against her, and with about 39 more attacks from him before she retaliated.

See http://www.attacktimeline.com/ -- for a concise list, scroll to the bottom of the page.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

Stephano — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:17:05 GMT

Couldn't stand Hillary when she was doing her "Not my husband, noooooooooo. Geniffer is lying!" act the first time around. Ever since, I've seen nothing but an act. At least with Obama, there's no pretense (as much as you can say that about any politician.) Hillary has wanted to be president since before wanting to be a cowboy. No thanks, I don't want anyone *that* power hungry. At least with Obama, there's a (what I believe to be) a genuine sense of "Wow, people believe in me...I can actually make a difference".

Besides, the age of Great Presidents is over. The age of information has all but ended the ability to hide failings. Going forward, presidencies will be about governing by committee. If Bush is the Great Idiot, then there's no way he could have orchestrated all that he has....it's all about the people around the president (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc)

So I hate to say it, but there is great savior out there. I'm fine with that, I just want the least phoney one possible.

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

wodiej — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:49:18 GMT

good grief-Obama voted "present" instead of yes or no on 130 issues in Congress. I am more concerned that he doesn't have a backbone then if Senator Clinton said something about fun. She has been getting the brunt of criticism while the others have been getting a free pass. She has taken the criticism with little comment. Now that she is standing up for herself, she's awful??

Why was it ok for the rest of the candidates to do it? It's all part of the process so get over it already

re: Hillary's Idea of Fun

desert rat — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:32:12 GMT

Once a ***, always a ***? This is just Hil being true to her nature.