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underdog — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:08:18 GMT

And so it starts, the disecting of everything Mike Huckabee ever wrote or said. Where is the same info on Hillery? Oh, thats right, Bill is keeping it locked away in his library with all his Presidential papers. Even her college papers are being kept from public view. Damn . Better dig up some more on Mike, there articles to be written. And remember , can't write anything positive, like some the good things that came out of his time as governor. Who left him the big mess to clean up when he became governor of Arkansas?

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Tommypie — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:54:05 GMT

I am positive that Bill and Hillary have more stuff in their closets than they are willing to tell, and the liberal media is not checking. Hands off there by all means!!! But Mr. Huckabee's life is free for all to attack, primarily because he is a Christian and Christians are rapidly becoming persona non grata, or if you will, an anathema in this country. This is what the liberal media advocates. They are conveninetly forgetting that 90% of the citizens of this country believe in God, and most of these believers are Christians. Nobody dares say anything derogatory about a homosexual or a muslim, or all media hell would brake loose, but with Christians it is an open field of ill will, lies and mockery. And nobody in the media will complain about that. Hypocracy and double standards all the way. God have mercy!

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Evangelical1234 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:01:19 GMT

Moral relativism. "Oh, the Bible is okay as long as it's cool with my contemporary moods and mores that I dream up but if you're going to make me accountable to the words of the Living God, well, I just can't have that in my life." It's utterly transparent. I think most evangelicals would appreciate the effort you put in to talk (actually TALK) to an evangelical from the SBC (rather than commit the über-liberal knee-jerk rant we're used to) but it still seems like you're talking down to us as if we've never read Thucydides nor dabbled in Haiku or approached the pinnacle of mental proficiency the "non-believer" has attained. The telling statement "(I)t's one thing to be a main of faith" is a predictable "tell" that lets all of us know the evangelical just "simply cannot be 'cool'". Maybe the Huck won't be president... I don't really care. But at least the man stood up and took the punches on this one. In the past, I can't say. I don't watch his comments closely. My only prayer is this one man will continue to stand firm in the face of transparent moral relativism. We believe because He saved us. We didn't believe because we figured it all out with our own moral abilities. If that makes us "uncool" and "anti-intellectual" I suppose we'll just have to get used to the beatings. Please Lord, come soon.

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dentalflosser — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:17:55 GMT

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Biblical Interpretism: It means what the particular religious sect say it means. 6000 years?

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dentalflosser — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:19:31 GMT

I am positive that Bill and Hillary have more stuff in their closets than they are willing to tell, and the liberal media is not checking.

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Then watch FOX. What do you think of the gal submitting to the guy?

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cbaker31222 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:24:11 GMT

I don't understand these attacks on the Clintons in response to this article. Do all political roads really lead back to insulting the Clintons for silly scared Republicans? The Clintons have nothing to do with Huckabee's appalling religious views he wants imposed into all aspects of government. He believes the earth is 5000 years old, there is no such thing as evolution, wives should submit to their husbands, gay people are choosing to be aberrant and sinful, AIDS patients should be locked up on an island, its ok to give him dental care, free suits, furniture or anything else as a political figure while in political office, every word of the Bible is literally true, people who don't believe in Jesus are going to hell no matter what kind of lives they've lived, and guns and war for everyone! Yeah! Sorry fellas, us “liberals” are just praying to the baby Jesus Almighty Huckabee is nominated, so this man with the witty comments and goofy smile can be exposed for the bigoted, narrow-minded hypocrite he truly is. So campaign and fight hard at your NASCAR races and tractor pulls. We’re just waiting and salivating….

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Theresa1001 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:30:17 GMT

So Huckabee wants to overtax the American public like he did Arkansas, he wants to allow illegals in our country even though it is ciminal, and now he wants the "American Wives" to submit. Holy Cow Batman, is this guy nuts or what? Somebody please tell him to stop campaigning and go back to preaching somewhere. I hope someone in his campaign will tell him to leave his Religion at home while he is out campaigning, he needs to remember that not all of America is Christian.

I am Christian but I don't want to be preach to by someone running for office.

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BobCu — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:46:59 GMT

Hickabee belongs in the Dark Ages. He believes people were magically created, and now we find out he thinks a wife should be her husband's slave. I hope Americans are not stupid enough to elect this subhuman to be president.

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pinkpanther87413 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:22:16 GMT

Yup woman get back in your place God did not give you ANY rights Man did, but if this is a canadate for office, he is no longer the untaxed church his org should have to pay to play. we pay, he is no longer a minister, he is a politician, and any religious org wants to run this country, then start paying taxes, as you have not had to as a religious org, not a political one

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ajahner — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:29:40 GMT

How long will it take for people to get educated and realize that the bible is an ancient book written by ignorant (and often barbaric) men in patriarchal tribes? I'm getting so tired of this ignorance and superstition trying to get our attention. If you want to believe in the bible, go ahead. But don't expect us to take you any more seriously than those that believe in Zeus or fairies or the abominable snowman. And please stop trying to push your beliefs on us unless you can back them philosophically or scientifically. "My preacher told me so..." or "Some book told me so..." is not a good enough reason for us to make laws of your beliefs.

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warrenaristotle — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:57:29 GMT

Once again Republicans know best ! I love the way its always the other persons closet. How many Christian thieves, gays, hypocrites have been exposed in the past six months. At least Clinton fooled around with the opposite sex !

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niceguy2999 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:07:47 GMT

This is a non-issue, a smoke screen by a liberal press. There is a world of difference between someone who has a religious conviction and someone who insists on imposing his religious convictions on others. A lot of Americans believe the husband should lead in the home -- but a president or a congress cannot legislate that in the home. This to me is more about the abuse of the right so fthe press to mis-construe, mis-represent, and ridicule a religious conviction.

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abbygail — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:49:44 GMT

If people such as Huckabee are elected into office or government will be even worse off than it is now. Not only will we have all of our freedoms taken away as the Patriot Act did, but any freedom that does not match with what they think God wants will be taken away also. Our country will no longer represent what the founding fathers wanted, a land to practice as you wish, religiously or not...but our country will become a Theocracy inside of Democracy! Not everyone in this country is Christian or believes in God and we all need to realize this and stop living in a single minded society, where we think God is the center of everything. I believe in God but I think religion has not place in politics. We need a president that respects others religious and non-religious beliefs, who acts as a leader not a preacher!

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stitchy63 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:05:27 GMT

Wow. Reading this discussion thread makes me tired. As a gal who just a few years ago would have agreed with this article and been happy to jump on the liberal bandwagon, Since meeting my husband 6 years ago I've had a chance to understand the bible and this particular concept in a much better light. My husband was, and is, a Christian and he was able to talk about this stuff in ways I've never heard before. He also introduced me to Lee Strobel and his The Case For Christ books (highly recommended if you have questions and actually want answers). Many of you will dismiss me as someone who's sold out, gone crazy or been brainwashed and that's you right but I now see the "submissive" issue very differently and it makes more sense and it creates more peace in me. Being submissive doesn't mean you are walked on or inferior or subjucated. All it means is that you trust and respect your husband. In fact I see it as one of the best ways to show your husband you love him. As the article stated, we do discuss things together, he isn't laying down the law or any other such nonsense. Besides if you finish reading Ephesians you'll find that all that is asked of women is that they submit to their husbands, but husbands are required to lay down their lives for their wives. We just show some grace in the middle of a decision/discussion but men have to die for us! So really, who has it worse?

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MamaCat — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:20:44 GMT

I believe the Federal Government needs to stay out of the churches, period. Running a political campaign on your religious beliefs is not in the best interest of our country. George Bush got the evangelical vote, but do you think they support him now?

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LoyallyLOST — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:36:31 GMT

First of all, I am not a 'gal'!

Secondly, I understand that the man is the head of the household.WHEN his wife doesn't work. IE~He should be in charge of the finances, unless he is lousy at it. He should take care of the mechanics of the home, the yardwork, etc. The wife is to stay home, cook, clean & take care of the kids & those things relative to that. I believe whole heartedly that a womans' place is in the home. No, I don't mean like 'back in the day' of June Cleaver. Those days are ,sadly, gone. I truly believe that if it is at all possible, the wife/mother should be able to stay at home. But, it is not possible in a lot of cases these days. And, there is nothing at all wrong with a woman working. If that is what she & her husband agree on, then go for it!

BUT~there are those, like me, that take offense to what 'submit' means with most men. They will see that & think they are completely in charge & abuse that privilege. I also have a problem with 'Promise Keepers'. They want a woman to submit COMPLETELY to their man. I mean, they believe a woman should give the husband sex WHENEVER he wants. This is how this kind of stuff from this 'boys club' comes across to me. Women aren't permitted at these meetings. BUT, they ARE allowed to sit up front & take money, etc! Good grief!

I think this man is a danger to women. He helped free a convicted murderer because 'he had a rough life' GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK! I get soooo tired of that excuse! Hey! A lot of people had a rough life. You don't see THEM go out & commit crimes! Some do. Most don't. They suck it up & move forward. And this guy he helped free went out & committed one murder & I think perhaps 2!

Ok, THAT is a scary thought~vote this guy in as president of our country & he will work very hard to take away womens' rights. That is the message he is sending to me. I could be totally wrong.

Yes, I think we should have a president with good religious morals. But, this guy scares me. I feel he is too 'holy roller' & would lose sight of other things equally important. I think he would abuse his power if he were to be voted into office.

I think a marriage is an equal partnership. The man shouldn't rule the woman & vice versa.

I leave all the major financial decisions up to my husband. He works & makes the money. He should have the last word. But, he is financially savvy. We talk it out. I put my input in & we go from there. I tell him that if he thinks we can afford it, go for it! One reason I let him have the final say so? That way, if it doesn't work out, I don't get in trouble! LOL! But, he listens to my side of the situation.

No, I am not one of THOSE wives that is meek & hides in a corner when her husband comes home. I just don't work. No, housework isn't a 'job'. I know I will get flamed for that comment. A 'job' to me is leaving home, having a boss give you orders & receiving a paycheck at the end of the week. I don't punch a timeclock, I don't receive a check & I don't have a boss telling me how to do things or what needs to be done. I can sit on my tushy whenever I want during the day.

ANYway, I just think this guy is going to lose the female vote because he comes across as a woman hater. To me, anyway. I won't be voting for him. If I am correct~he is a Republican anyway & I am a staunch Democrat.

Thanx for letting me have my say. Not meant to offend.

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Spinning Plates — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:50:08 GMT

His personal views on faith and marriage are just that....his. If he follows a strict adherence to Biblical doctrine, then he'd also follow what Jesus said when confronted about taxes, i.e., government: "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesars.."...and yes, there's more...just like in the submission to your husband. The trouble with quoting part of the Gospel, is you only get half-truths. LEARN IT ALL.....then comment.....for God's sake, and for yours. Jesus Christ was the greatest liberator for all men and women. Remember the adultress brought to him...caught in the act? He made the those about to cast the first stone, leave in short order. Any husband, showing a wife the kind of sacrificial love Christ showed the Church, would be shown the same love, and respect...since He would be giving it as well.

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cafn8ed — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:41 GMT

As a former Christian, I saw these so-called "religious convictions" played out in the real world. Here are a few of the horrors endured by people I personally know: A woman whose husband forcibly raped her many times finally went to her pastor and was told that since her body belongs to her husband she has no recourse; a woman whose husband was addicted to kiddy porn was forced out of the church when she decided to divorce him -- even though her two little girls would have been taken away from her if she had stayed; a woman whose husband had neglected her for years became suicidally depressed and when a friend went to her pastor he ridiculed the depressed woman to her face and accused her of playing games; a woman whose husband was a church leader finally left him because of his violent behavior and a few weeks later he kidnapped their son, hid him from her, and told the boy she had died. Wake up America -- these people put a soft glow on the whole thing with their talk of servant leaders and God being in charge, but the truth is that men in most churches can get away with whatever they want. Power corrupts, and Christianity has conveniently given men all the power. This guy -- along with his world view -- is scary.

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robby73 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:13:53 GMT

u r an idiot

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:14:55 GMT

"a wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband."

This is sugar coated sexism.

It also doesn't make any logical sense.

You can't 'submit' to 'leadership'. You follow a leader. You don't submit. You submit to an authority figure such as a manager. A leader is one you follow having been inspired by their example.

For claiming he's an intelligent theologian... he doesn't even understand the English language or common social concepts such as leadership and servitude.

The bible DOES state that wives should submit to their husbands and that husbands should love their wives, as Christ loves the Church and sacrificed his life for, and that they should submit to each other.

Submission in this sense meant to give ground to each other. Like NORMAL people do when they can't have exactly what each individually wants. You have to each bend to the others wishes. It's called compromise. And MEN are told to sacrifice themselves for their wives as Christ did for the church. You know... how Christ would get tired and want to be alone and when he heard people needed him he put aside what he wanted to meet their needs. How he stood up for children. How he protected women.

The Bible clearly states that in Christ... there is no male nor female... roles. All are equal. Sexist pigs LOVE to ignore that part. Just like they ignore the parts where they are supposed to feed the poor and not prefer the wealthy and not be racist and care for ophans and not judge and not be hypocritical and not be selfish. The part where the Bible says that if you are a slave that you should try to gain freedom. That it states that in Christ... there is no slave nor free. ALL are equal.

Makes me sick to see people misuse the Bible to oppress people. Especially when it is SO CLEAR if you read the Bible that it is ALL about freedom for everyone to live their lives to the fullest with love for themselves and for their neighbors. But these ministers twist the Bible to be about hate and oppression and everything that the Bible is against. Disgusting.

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Twiged — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:15:47 GMT

John 6:15 look it up and ponder on that for a little bit.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:39:03 GMT

I have to restate two things I mentioned above.

1. The Bible says that husbands and wives should submit to each other. Both of them. It's plain as day. There is no way to confuse the sentence or it's meaning. It is SIMPLY IGNORED. Talk about picking and choosing what parts of the Bible you want to believe in. Everyone who teaches that the Bible states that women should be submisive to their husbands while ignoring that it also states that husbands should be submissive to their wives are either poorly educated in the Bible or teaching what they have been taught and not what the Bible says.

2. The Bible does not advocate oppression. It is clearly against oppression of any kind. It is not for slavery nor sexism nor racism. It calls turning a blind eye to suffering a sin. These people who claim to be ministers and are only about smiling wide and preaching hate and oppression are the modern day hypocrits that plotted for the death of Christ. They are fakes.

Huckabee is a fake Christian. I'll say it plainly. I don't care about the bs that you can't tell if someone else is a Christian or not. Christ said you can tell a Christian by the fruit of their actions. Not by what they say. What they do. Huckabee knows how to say the right things that sexist racist classist fake Christians want to hear. Anyone can see he is full of it from a mile away. Real Christians. People who follow Christ's leadership to be honest and loving not only not fooled by Huckabee, but we are angry at him for soiling Christianity.

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antiqueone — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:47:05 GMT

Women: if you cannot follow your man, why did you marry him? Submit means submit. The husband is responsible to God for his family. Divorce runs rampant in this country. Why? Because women refuse to obey God. Yes, it means submitting our will to the will of God, but that is the way of true peace. When you ultimately find that your self-willed independence leads to frustration, sadness, depression, divorce, and loss, you might try turning to the Truths God gave you in his Bible.

Men: Why is submission a problem for women? Because you won't lead with a servant's heart. If you followed God's precepts, you would know that your decisions will be reviewed by God at the time of judgment. A wise man will discuss important decisions with his best advisor. Husbands, that should be your wife. Divorce is rampant in this country. Why? Because men refuse to obey God. You are to nurture your wife, meet her needs, cherish her, love her, lead her in faith and even die for her if called to do so. If you find yourself sad, empty, divorced, and alone, you might try turning to God humbly and ask forgiveness for your rebellious attitude. Read your Bible and find peace.

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lastmanonthewall — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:51:54 GMT

The only thing consistent in the 'debate' about Mike Huckabee's beliefs will be the open, relentless and vociferous hatred of Christians and the Bible by those who believe whatever it is they choose.

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adirondack_1 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:02:31 GMT

Well now.... that would make it impossible for Nancy Pelosi to be married to anyone, wouldn't it? Or Barbra Boxer.... Hillary and the list of lippy ladies goes on. But we already knew Ann Coulter couldn't be gracious so why even bother with the submission stuff.

If marriage is a religiously sanctioned promise then who outside that bond have any say as to what the two agree upon in the first place? God would be one, any others up for poking their nose in between a husband and wifes vows?

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lfishdialysis — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:11:38 GMT

Mike Huckabee isn't being risen to the top by man, but by God due to the prayers of people looking for Christian leadership. Don't understimate the Christian vote. When we all finally decide to get together on the same issue we have the majority vote. I'm not worried about the "gals" who don't understand Ephesians V, for they've already made up their minds to vote for Hillary. That won't affect Huckabees voting base. Christians don't care about what the world thinks or says, only God. I for one am not going to argue with Him. "Nothing is impossible for God", including bringing Mike Huckabee into office if that is what He so desires.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:11:43 GMT

antiqueone,

What do you think about the fact that the bible states that husbands should submit to their wives?

lastmanonthewall,

I think you mean 'those who THINK whatever they choose'. Like myself, who is a theologian, who disagrees with Huckabee's personal distortion of the teachings of the Bible. Do you think that just because YOU think Huckabee is correct that makes it true? It doesn't. MOST theologians disagree with Huckabee's views on the Bible. They don't lack faith in God, they don't agree with Huckabee. That's allowed you know. Of course you know that. You disagree with most other Christians because you think you are right. How does one know who is right?

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readitwriteit — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:13:34 GMT

In the context of the Bible (and, remember, marriage was God's idea), being a husband or a wife is to agree to take on a role, to play a part. Wives are told to submit to their husbands. Husbands are told to love their wives. This is the way the parts are "worked out" best. It doesn't work well if the wife is lording it over the husband or the husband is not being tender and loving towards his wife. If you don't want to play the part of a husband or a wife, don't get married.There are guidelines in the Bible about how to do that well, too. Remember,too, to distinguish between what is secular and what is sacred. We can do that in America. Marriage is a sacred institution. Personally, I don't think marriage should have "benefits" in the secular world. It has resulted in greed. Let marriage be holy...Let marriage be about a man and woman God has brought together!

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readitwriteit — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:16:19 GMT

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:18:35 GMT

lfishdialysis ,

"Christians don't care about what the world thinks or says, only God."

How do you know who God is backing for president of the United States? If you are talking about the CHRISTIAN underdog who has been launched above all the other candidates on both sides... then you MUST be refering to Obama.

Also, how do you IGNORE the bible telling husbands to submit to their wives? How do you say that wives should submit but not say that husbands should submit just as much to their wives... as the Bible PLAINLY states... in fact... two sentences after telling wives to submit to their husbands.

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tchrspet — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:20:38 GMT

After 30 years of marriage we have found that "compromse" is the way to work things out. It's important to put the Bible in perspective. Remember the Old Testament teaches fire and brimstone with God as a vengeful God. Jesus came and instructed us to look at God as a loving Father who forgives all. Jesus treated everyone men and women alike with equality and respect. If we are following Jesus' example then we should be doing the same thing.

By the way, a person's beliefs are private and should remain that way especially in the political venue. When a candidate either previously or currently flouts their belief to gain the support of a certain group, then he/she should be ready to be scruinized about it. It's open game.

I can't quite get why the Clinton's personal life should be open for scrutiny and the other candidate is off limits. Maybe Mr. Clinton made a mistake with his indiscretion but at least he didn't condone treasonous acts like some president who will remain unmentioned. (I wouldn't want the CIA to come knocking at my door.)

I was a great supporter of President Clinton. He did a lot for this country and would have done more if a certain political group would have let him do his job and had not taken up his time with nonsense trials.

I'm not a Hilary supporter because I believe she changes her mind too quickly to appease the group she is talking to, but I don't believe that she and her husband should be brought up everytime something is said about another candidate.

Huckabee has his opinions and I have mine. I am not a candidate and have chosen not to be one. He chose to put his life in the spotlight when he chose to run for office. In the old saying, "What's good for the goose is goo for the gander."

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:22:38 GMT

readitwriteit,

Does ANYONE actually READ the Bible???

The Bible says that husbands have to submit to their wives. Why are you all ignoring that? It's right there directly after the part that says wives should submit to their husbands. It's plain as day. In every single Bible printed.

Do you know what is NOT ANYWHERE in the Bible. The concept of secular. EVERYTHING is God's. There is NO such thing as a seperation of sacred and secular. That is a myth. Read the Bible before you all start telling people what it says. Sheesh!!! You guys are MAKING UP stuff that isn't even there.

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Hoo-yah — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:30:41 GMT

the rest of the scripture continues to say, that men, husbands are required to love their wives, giving them honour.

Col 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

Col 3:20 Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

Col 3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Husbands are the spiritual leader, they are accountable to God for their leadership, guidance or lack of, in the relationship. The wife equal at his side is judged too, both walking in accordance to God's will, not their own, additionally, they will be responsible for how they raised the kids too.

And to those that had not so great parents. Lord says do not worry about your earthly parents, He will take care of them, for you are a child of God and through His Son Jesus is your salvation.

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betr001 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:32:23 GMT

Who cares? In this day & age is it even possible for Huckabee to institue anything that would make that opinion matter? This is a personel choice according to your belief or non-belief on the issue as it is with all decisions as to how you chose to live. I do have a question I've not heard addressed or maybe I just missed it. What it the religous view of Obama? Since the other candidates seem to get spot lighted over their bleief, where does Obama stand.?

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KensRosey — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:36:20 GMT

Huckabee's quote is out of the Bible and further it also says "Mem honor your vives." God forbid there be a Christian to want to be president? Any persons words written or otherwise have a way of being twisted to make some people a target by some "GROUP"

It amazes me that when former President Clinton was caught with his pants down Hillary was the Stand by my man woman? Now she wants to control our country so what is she really?

I believe one day in the not to distant future there will be a qualified woman to run and become president. Hillary needs set back and let her husbands lifetime salary support her, and step away form the "Button".

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jlcook — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:37:59 GMT

We live in and enjoy a free and open democracy. In our country people can believe anything they want to and are free to say what they believe. This freedom has always and will always cause conflict between opposing points of view at various points in time. This conflict, be it personal or political, is a good thing. It exposes all sides of an issue and thus lets light shine on subjects that might not receive such illumination otherwise.

We should celebrate our diversity, embrace our differences, and boldly step into the future as a united natiion of free individuals. It is our birthright and our greatest glory.

The rest of the world is confused and frightened by our silly bickering and backbiting. After all, if we can't rise above our petty differences to claim our own greatness, what chance do less gifted, oppressed peoples have in claiming their own place in the sun.

So, love one another...it's the American thing to do. And, more than anything else, have faith in your country and your fellow citizens, whoever they may be. None of us are any better than any of our brothers and sisters and wearing a religious or political affiliation like a sheriff's badge does not make us better than others. So when you try to make informed choices regarding politicians, please look at the person and not just the dogma. A dogma-driven choice is always a poor one.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:46:00 GMT

And before you all get to submit happy...

Slaves -

1 Peter 2:18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Government -

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men

That's right... Christians MUST submit themselves to EVERY authority instituted among men. You got that? If Hillary Clinton is president... YOU HAVE to submit... and the word means the same as it does for husbands and wives, so, no cheating... you HAVE to submit to her. Oh... but does the bible refer to only local or supreme authority??

"whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors"

And... of course... you are all ready to become slaves, right? And to submit... same meaning as husband and wives submission... to even the harsh masters. Come on. The Bible says to submit to your MASTER if you are a slave. That means... that if the liberals took over and enslaved the conservatives... why, the Christian conservatives would HAVE to submit... EVEN if the masters are harsh.

Hmmm...

I wonder why the Bible says that slaves have to submit to masters? And everyone has to submit to man made authority? I wonder.

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bpellis — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:55:26 GMT

Underdog...Jim Guy Tucker left Huckabee the mess in Arkansas. Why is it with you people that EVERYTHING has to be an attack on Bill Clinton??? He's history now...let's focus on the present and future.

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h20bouy_99 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:58:34 GMT

Who cares!! Religious comments are completely inappropriate. Remember the part of the constitution that says something about freedom of religion. Remember JFK and his beliefs on Catholicism? My Mom believes the Husband is the head of the household and although they discuss major decisions, the decision is left to him. That's the way she was raised and that's the way it is, I don't judge her for it and such beliefs don't affect my own beliefs.

As for the gals who would disagree... It's strange that women complain that men are commitment-phoebes yet most divorces in this country are initiated by women, so who really has the problem with commitment? And I know more women cheating on their men than I know men cheating on their women.

Final thought is this. Thinking of the household as an organization, if two people or fighting over control of the helm, you're headed for a train wreck......

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ToSpeakTruth — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:10:05 GMT

I believe that wives should submit to their husbands "in the Lord" Read Ephesians chapter 5. A woman is to submit unless her husband asks her to sin. Then she is to obey God, this does not hinder her but gives her an inner strength that comes from obedience to God. He is her strength. I am really sorry that America has forgotten the reason why she was created. God is the reason why we are a country. Read about Daniel, there were men in politics who attacked him, because he took a stand to do what was right also. We need to Praise God and return to our Belief in Him. Any one person can look for and find error in another because we are all sinners, I pray that God will strengthen America as our country puts its trust in Him, as the legal document (our money) states, "In God We Trust".

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06172007 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:12:55 GMT

This "wives submit to your husbands" is an old deception. If you have a truly open mind read further to describe the husband's duties. To quote from the MacArthur Study Bible (NJKV, page 1813), Ephesians 5:25 means this, "the emphasis moves to the supreme responsibility of husbands in regard to their wives, which is to love them with the same unreserved, selfless and sacrificial love that Christ has for His church. Christ gave everything He had, including His life, for the sake of His church, and that is the standard of sacrifice for a husband's love of his wife."

MacArthur further comments on Ephesians 5:28, "Here is one of the most poignant and compelling desciptions of the oneness that should characterize Christian marriage. A Christian husband is to care for his wife with the same devotion that he naturally manifests as he cares for himself-even more so, since his self-sacrificing love causes him to put her first. In the end, husbands who loves his wife in these ways brings great blessing to himself from her and from the Lord."

Or read chapter 5 entirely to get the context of the statement and you will see Ephesians 5:21 clearly say, "submitting to one another in the fear of God".

Additionally, MacArthur describes the Emphesians 5:22 (the "wives, submit to your husbands verse") in this way, "The submission is not the husband's to command but for the wife to wilingly and lovingly offer".

I would hardly say this is a "softening of a position and this is certainly not women taking a "back seat" when both husband and wife perform their duties in a Christian marriage. Those that are believers should be patient and loving when explaining this in its context.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:17:38 GMT

ToSpeakTruth,

The United States of America exists, because Europe invaded and conquered. The US commited genocide against the natives. Then invaded Africa and captured and enslaved the natives and shipped them here built the country.

You are telling me that GOD is responsible for the genocide and slavery?

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zosky — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:24:15 GMT

3 big issues:

#1 The bible is sexist. It does NOT say husbands submit to your wives.

It does say women should be silent in church. Also implies no female leadership

It implies that men are superior to women otherwise why would it say we should submit?

One of the christian apologetics said,"well it also said slaves submit to your master" Hmmm... so

bible is sexist and pro slavery. Great. Just the text i want the next president reading from!

#2 His religious views are definitely personal and would not be an issue if he did not insist on

running with a religious evangelical platform. If you don't want your personal views attacked,

keep them to yourself.

#3 My objection to any kind of religious leadership stems from my experinece of the last 8 years. It

is such dogmatic convictions undoubtedly accompanied with so little experience with the real

world outside a christian majority society that combines for astronomical disasters. People invoke

'hatred of christians' like that's supposed to make those of us opposed to an american theocracy

feel repentant. In a country where gay marriage is debated like it's anybody's buisness,

abstinence is adamantly preached despite its poor outcomes, gays are not allowed in the

military, atheists are call non-patriotic; the LAST thing anyone needs is someone who believes

he has some mandate from god to turn this country into a christiandom. The sad thing is I don't

think even the christian right knows what they are getting themselves into

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angelica915 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:25:26 GMT

I sit here laughing at some of your comments. Where does Hillary, or for that matter Bill Clinton come into this equation. You Repugnants need to sing another tune.

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bpellis — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:29:50 GMT

antiqueone has it right--it's not just about wives submitting to husbands, it's about husbands acting responsibly and lovingly towards their wives and families. Husbands are commanded by God to love, care for, provide for, and yes, even die for our families.

How many companies have 2 CEO's, whether woman or man? And how many good CEO's lord over their employees and make unilateral decisions without consulting their staff, who are experts at what they do? There is no outrage over the role of the COO. Why is this concept so hard to apply to the family?

I would add one thing to this--generally, women require unconditional love from their husbands, and men require unconditional respect from their wives. There's lots of talk about unconditional love, but nothing about unconditional respect. This is what "submitting" in the Bible is referring to, on both accounts. Husbands are supposed to LOVE our wives, no matter what ("Husbands, love your wives and Christ also loved the Church."). And you know what? I do. I love my wife no matter how she looks, what mood she's in, whatever she's done to make me upset or angry...regardless of how she treats me, I love my wife. And she's learning to respect me unconditionally. And that act of "submission", if you will, of saying and doing things that say "I respect you no matter what", frees me up to be the man I want to be, and motivates me to make her happy. That she *chooses* to put her life in my hands is a great responsibility and a great honor. If more women could just tap into that in their husbands--just say, "Honey, I respect you no matter what"--the effect on the world would be profound.

Whatever your religious beliefs or motivations, there is great wisdom in the Bible. It was left here by God for everyone, not just Christians.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:37:50 GMT

06172007,

Great mention that both husband and wife are to submit to each other. I am always happy to find someone who actually reads the Bible instead of just the singled out verses.

I remember my older brother would take us places when I was a kid and he'd tell me not to start a fight with my brother and tell my brother not to pick on me and then tell us both... no fighting either of you.

I find it amazing that people who read this passage of scripture ignore or dismiss the 'submit to each other' part. Either not wanting to accept that husbands have to submit to their wives or wanting to dilute mutual submission as something less... as though... since technically, the wife is told twice, she has to submit more. It's dishonest and really, equality should be self evident to any Christian... there is no excuse.

I hear people say 'if someone isn't the final decider, how will any disagreements be resolved'. To that... I say... grow up. Only children need to have some ONE make a decision for them. Submit to each other is the exact way the Bible says to do it in case it's too difficult to come to the realisation on your own. You each submit. And if... if there is anything so important that you can't submit... you don't have your priorities in life right.

If two Christians can't figure out how to make a mutual decision without someone being in charge... they are just plain immature people. The greatest gift God gave people what the ability to make decisions. The law was written as a guide until people grew up and figured out how to apply "love your neighbor as yourself" themselves. Not that hard for grownups. Apparently immpossible for certain Christians.

Well, I'm tired. I better get to bed. My wife is going to be pissed I stayed up all night on the computer.

hehe.

that's a joke for ya sexist folks out there spitting on Christ's name.

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a loving husband — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:41:22 GMT

IF ANYONE GETS THE SHORT END OF THE DEAL, ITS THE MAN. Yes, women are are told to submit in Ephesians 5:22, but we're all told to "submit to one another one verse earlier. And on top of that, in Ephesians 5:25 men are ALSO called to "love their wives as just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her..." (i.e. die on the cross out of love) Husbands are called to serve their wives sacrificially...basically to die to themselves for their bride.

If you read Ephesians 5:21-33 its a beautiful passage and not one for Christians to be ashamed of at all. In a nutshell, it's saying for a marriage to work, both sides have to give all they have to each other...and that this is the type of marriages followers of Christ are to pursue.

If the Huckabee's want to submit and love each other mutually...GREAT. It would be a wonderful model to our nation, with a huge divorce rate in our country. It would be a living model to our nation that might even help reduce the amount of broken hearts, marriages, and families.

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wilma724 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:42:39 GMT

You cannot take one verse out of context, you must read on! This passage - Ephesians 5 - is a beautiful passage of love. Think of this relationship of a wife and husband that carries on as when they first fall in love. The relationship is one of giving of oneself to the other. First the wife is urged to submit unto her husband. But following is scripture where the husband is to love his wife as Christ loved His Church. What did Christ do? He gave the ultimate sacrifice! In this relationship, where a man lovingly treats his wife, makes sacrifices for her, what woman wouldn't submit? This is a passage of love! Not bondage! Please read carefully and fully!

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dogoodnotevil — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:50:43 GMT

Interesting that those that attact Christians fail to realize that the other major religion, Muslims, have are far stricter standard of behavior and submissiveness is at the top. The cournty with the largest population, China, also contols behavior to the point of limiting the sex of children that are allowed to be born. God put together a set of principles that work effectively for His people. Starting with Adam and Eve, the human race has constantly challenged them, and suffered the consequesnces. Throughout History, from the beginning of time, there have been supreme leaders. In family, the few husbands/fathers, that are actually a part, are designated as the supreme rules. Period. The divorce rate indicates the success of those that think otherwise. Are there more single women, or men? There cannot be two supreme leaders. Twp presidents, etc. The diatribe that prevails against common sense is the most distructive force in today's human existence.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:52:17 GMT

a loving husband,

THANK YOU!!!

You said it perfectly. It's funny. In 'the fall' women are warned that men will dominate them. Then after Christ, that men and women are equal. Then men ARE told to submit to their wives AND to love their wives as christ loves the Church. It's funny. Anyone read how Jesus went around telling the church what to do? NOPE. He gave them HIS authority to do it all themselves. And JESUS did the dieing! And somehow some STILL come out of this thinking women are supposed to be subservient to men?

Jesus came to set people free from oppression. To live their live to the fullest they could live! He did all of sacrifice and suffering.

Jesus's example leads to husbands making sure that as CHRIST freed the chuch, in a world where women have been subservient to men for 1000s of years, the husband would, like Christ, set their wives free to... live their lives to the fullest. How hard is that to see if you actually read the bible. I never saw Jesus telling anyone 'buy the red car' or 'get me a beer' or 'vote for a republican' or 'send your kids to this school' or ANYTHING. THAT is what he was freeing people from. From being oppressed.

If you don't know that... you aren't a Christian... or you are one very immature Christian. Not that there's anything that wrong with being immature, but, you know, maybe, don't tell everyone else how to live their lives when you don't even know that Jesus came to set people free... not enslave them. He's not the devil and neither should a husband.

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dogoodnotevil — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:55:19 GMT

Interesting that those that attack Christians fail to realize that the other major religion,

Muslims, have a far stricter standard of behavior and submissiveness is at the top. The

country with the largest population, China, also controls behavior to the point of limiting

the sex of children that are allowed to be born. God put together a set of principles that

work effectively for His people. Starting with Adam and Eve, the human race has

constantly challenged them, and suffered the consequences. Throughout History, from

the beginning of time, there have been supreme leaders. In family, the few husbands/

fathers that are actually a part, are designated as the supreme rules. Period. The divorce

rate indicates the success of those that think otherwise. Are there more single women, or

men? There cannot be two supreme leaders. Two presidents, etc. The diatribe that

prevails against common sense is the most destructive force in today's human existence.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:57:58 GMT

According to Jesus... if you want to be great in God's Kingdom... be the servant of all. If a man is in any way a leader of his family... it would that he is a servant of his family... not a lord. And since there is no male or female in Christ... the same goes for wives. And everyone with a family.

Jesus is a feminist, abolitionist and he even loves gay people despite the fact that they have an entirely unfair portion of class and style over straight people.

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curtaincaller — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:59:09 GMT

Anton Bursch,

As I read your post, I was reminded of a quote by Pilate: "What is truth?"

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curtaincaller — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:01:56 GMT

To be clear, I meant the post at 6:11 am

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jjp735i — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:05:18 GMT

Why not just allow the Talaban rule the USA or how about the Pope? At this point why not just let King George W keep his throne?

Is this country really ready to move toward an Iran like ruling party ? I can see it now, Huckabee declares "there are no homosexuals in the United States", women should not vote if the husband tells her not to, sex police beating woman for wearing revealing clothing, and on and on and on.

The Religious Right in this country is really way out of control anymore. Trying to force their value views on everyone else, yet at the same time always breaking those same values rules them selves. Hookers, bribes, gay sex, meth.

It's not really about God with them, it's all about power and money.

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AntonBursch — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:05:38 GMT

dogoodnotevil,

What did God tell Israel about kings? He said they don't need a king. That HE was their king. They don't need human rulers, because they will only be enslaved by a human ruler.

You don't know what you are talking about. Supreme ruler?? What Bible do you read? The Satan Bible???

Supreme ruler. Common Sense. Wow. That's a new low.

And guess what... there are not 2 presidents... there are THREE branches of government to spread out the power because no ONE person can ever wield supreme power.

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HSavage — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:09:28 GMT

What would be the correct view? That the wife gets the last word? I am sure plenty of men would have a problem with that. Maybe that's why there are so many divorces - couples can't stop arguing to see who has the last word.

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dsqfmly — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:16:31 GMT

praise GOD, we need someone in the whitehouse that believes in the bible.

wasn't that what are countrie's founding fathers believed in?

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kmitch1927 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:18:29 GMT

Huckabee is a murderer coddling, tax raising, bible thumping embarassement. Republicans, PLEASE nominate him so he can be trounced in the election.

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mattbat — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:28:29 GMT

SUBMISSION...What's that? The whole concept of submission has become so foreign to our society. Christianity is about mutual submission for both the man and woman, if you read the verse in it's context. Americans (in the land of the free) would rather kill unborn babies (because no one is going to tell me what do do with my body) and would rather be homosexual (because I will not submit to God's word). Try talking to anyone these days about submission and you will become the victim of a crime. Today, you got to have the upper hand or you could die (bring a gun with you). This kind of thinking is ruining America. Look around you...Is today a better place than it was 100 years ago when there was a concept of humbleness and submission. Being a man of convictions today, especially Christian convictions that want to save the lives of the unborn and try maintain some sense of societal decency in America, is almost impossible...BUT, shouldn't we at least try...I'm thankful for the Huckabee's, the Billy Graham's, and the young Tim Tebow's of this world. Men of conviction...But the man with the greatest conviction...Christ says...Love one another as I have loved you...THEN...He DIED...The greatest act of submission in history.

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allmine22 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:31:03 GMT

I have been watching the debates very carefully. While I like Huckabee and think that he genuinely has the best interests of the country at heart, I feel this view of woman in relationships is archaic. These types of roles were acceptable and prudent in the days of Jesus Christ. However, in modern times it is not applicable. I don't say this because I am a man hater. Its just that back then men took care of their obligations and society demanded that of them. So woman were safer to remain in the home and servient to men because their basic needs were met. Today, men have dropped the ball and society has not held them accountable. Divorce and not paying child support have left women with the knowledge and fear of having to provide for themselves and their offspring. Because of this woman deserve to be treated equally and to have an equal say in the decisions of their marriage. It is unfortunate that society has come to this but it is a fact of moden times.

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drettinger — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:43:55 GMT

Before any more of you English majors and Theology Professors go on, perhaps you should all get familiar with the definition of "submit".

Merriam Webster defines it as:

1 a: to yield to governance or authority b: to subject to a condition, treatment, or operation <the metal was submitted to analysis>

2: to present or propose to another for review, consideration, or decision <submit a question to the court> <submit a bid on a contract> <submit a report>; also : to deliver formally <submitted my resignation>

3: to put forward as an opinion or contention <we submit that the charge is not proved>

intransitive verb

1 a: to yield oneself to the authority or will of another : surrender b: to permit oneself to be subjected to something <had to submit to surgery>

2: to defer to or consent to abide by the opinion or authority of another

So tell me feminists, liberals and the like, which of these definitions can you prove is the one used in the Bible?

I find it sad to read Christians and those who understand the passage in question define it while those of you who hate Christians and the Bible can only attack them. Was debate not taught in your schools?

You're all over-reacting to the ramblings of an author who isn't as old as your house. He has no theological degree and those he has come from a rabidly liberal University. Six years ago, he was likely toilet-papering a rival frat house and now all of a sudden, he's some expert on scripture? Who's the bigger fool here? Him for spouting off about something he doesn't understand or all of you for accepting such views?

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mamasaf25 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:23 GMT

Mike Huckabee needs to tell the people where he REALLYstands on issues. He has used the " Christian" card because he knows TOO many people in this country beleive everything out of someones mouth as long as it comes AFTER declaring himself a " CHRISTIAN"

Maybe someone should ask MIKE, " what happened to the Arkansas computer system when he left the job with Homeland Security" a job he was appointed to by GW!

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imachristian — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:48:54 GMT

As usual, the problem has occurred here because someone took only one scrupture, out of context, and applied it. If you will go on and read Ephesians 5:25-33, you will see that the Husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church (He gave himself up, even unto death) and is to love his wife AS HE LOVES HIS OWN BODY. These verses pretty much invalidate any claims of arrogance or barbarism. A scriptural marriage is a beautiful thing...

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:50:54 GMT

Here is the thing. People easily distort, misrepresent, misinterpet, and generally misunderstand much of the Bible. It is a very challenging document. It is why the Church is fragmented and has so many denominations and creeds. Everyone has a right to an opinion and the free will and choice to decide if they accept it. In this country there is a choice to accept or not accept.To choose to follow Christianity, Islam, Atheism, or Humanism. My point is that it appears that many times if an individual chooses an oppsing veiw of life it appears to me those individuals assume that they have the right to name call or put the other veiwpoint down. I thought that America was about Freedom. It appears to me that the television media is a great brain washing tool. They insist that they are not biased, opinionated, or mean spirited, but I am not so sure. They insist that they are tolerant and objective, but look closer. Examine the almost uniform way in which things are reported. The skewed way reports are presented to favorably represent a liberal viewpoint. Equality !!! Fairness!!! Democracy!!! Perhaps another thing that should be considered is what is the best course for our nation. What would benefit all. An honest disagreement with fair and balanced discourse and debate. I would judge a candidate for President on how he answers the issues of our time and how I precieve his answers to benefit our Country. Illegal Imigration, Education, Energy, Infrastructure, Health Insurance, Economics, Terrorism. These are the issues to me.

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BuffaloRocks — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:54:26 GMT

"If Jesus came back and saw what's going on in His name, he'd never stop throwing up."

-- Hannah and Her Sisters (1986)

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IndyBC — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:56:29 GMT

So its Huckabees turn to get mud in his face. The only reason this is even an issue to the liberal media is simple, they are getting VERY nervous! This issue of wives submitting to there husbands is humorous. Whats next? Are you going to ask Huckabee if he beats his wife? Come on get a life! This nation was founded on God and the Bible and the majority still support those founding principles.

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darylblk — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:56:58 GMT

Come on! is the really news or tabloid journalism? Are you seriously trying to suggest that if Mr. Huckabee were elected president he would somehow declare an edict to women right out of the playbook from the Taliban or that the advances in women’s rights in this country would be tossed backed to the 1800’s? If your answer is no then why write it in the first place? I am not a backer of Huckabee nor am I an evangelical Christian but I as an educated reader I have an expectation that when reading Newsweek the information provided is somewhat balanced and substantive. Save this for the enquirer and spend some quality time (might be a little tougher) providing information that is not solely geared toward eliciting an emotional reaction for the sake of the reaction. Insulting and disapointing, not nesscarliy to Huckabee but your readers, give us a little more credit.

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ezrest2004 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:57:52 GMT

I am not sure, because no one ever, in the interest of disclosure, tells what his religion is when writing a story. so many journalists are of another faith than Christianity, therefore have little or no sense of what some of its teachings mean. I think that for it to be fair and balanced, then a Baptist should be writing articles about Huckaby's religious views, not, say, a Jew, or a Catholic, or a Buhdist.

What I have always been taught is that, spiritually, the man is the head of the house, when it comes to matters of faith. The new testament is repleat with examples of how the early Christian religion was a patriarchial religion, not as much as Judism, but since its roots were Jewish-based, a lot of that was taken from there.

I am not so sure that the Ephesians verse means to submit in all things, only in things where a decision has to be made in respect to religious matters. The whole collection of Paul's epistles, is in my personal view, rather sexist and contrary to the Catholic Church, is not real Christian doctorine. I chose to obey the red-letter verses in the books of Matthew and John, two men who actually knew Jesus. Mark and Luke never met him, with Mark being a sychophant of Paul.

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ThinkingBeing — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:02:15 GMT

I have a fantastic marriage—16 years and counting. We love, trust and honor each other and just enjoy being together. Issues in our marriage are resolved by two intelligent people discussing the options and agreeing on a resolution. The process enlightens both of us and results in well-thought out decisions that time has shown to be solid. We are a perfect match because neither of us needs to control the other and neither needs to be controlled. The idea that, based solely on gender, one person is superior to “lead” the other is just nonsense. To have someone with that view of 51% of this country as president—I hope I never see that day.

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hummingbird — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:05:56 GMT

I for one am a wife,who lovingly submits to my husband in the rare instances that we do not agree. I do not see this as a sign of weakness, only that I am giving him the trust and respect that he deserves. To say that family values have no part in political forums is obserd, with out values, and not knowing where our polititains stand. How can we willingly put them into office and give them power over our futures. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

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mts881 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:06:36 GMT

I wonder if anyone will ask Hillary if wives should submit to adulterous husbands, provided it grants them access to political power. Probably not... the press's version of straight reporting reminds me of a tower in Italy. They clearly are playing favorites and looking for smear pieces. Smearing candidates with factual evidence is normal behaviour, and should be expected by the press. Playing favorites and then gasping with shock every time the word "bias" is mentioned is getting VERY old.

BTW - I will NOT be voting for Huckabee (but I won't be voting for HIllary either, and she "represents" my state in the senate). I will go third party before helping either of them.

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justgrace — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:13:57 GMT

drettinger -

I have to say that's the best reply yet.

Context is important, and not simple the context of the Scripture at hand. Think about the context of the whole article, its author, and the political agenda at large. Is the author partial to one party or none? It's likely he is, we all are. There's no fault in that. So, it's also very likely that his personal views and opinions have not escaped this article.

And think about this, people will always take offense on thoughts that challenge their views and way of life, whether or not their personal views or the thought at hand are right.

imachristian -

Wonderful summary.

I think one of the reasons people neglect to see topics of marriage, women, and submission in this light is largely due to the degradation of the family unit in America and are not willing to accept the Truth and love Christ brings into marriages and lives. In my opinion, many people are against Biblical ideals and values, because they have seen the distortion, misuse, or misrepresentation of them personally or in the world at large. There's one word for that SIN. There's another word that should follow: FORGIVENESS.

AntonBursch -

A lot could be said, but this is all that I'll say,

Be humble.

re: Expertinent: Huckabee Agrees That Wives Should 'Submit Graciously' to Their Husbands. What Does He Mean?

Sabir Bashir — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:14:17 GMT

I have my total belief and trust that Mike Huckabee is the right person for the next United States Presidency. I say this because my spirit can see it in his talk, vision and passion for the future of America. Nov. 1, 2007, I got my US Citizenship and I was praying that who should I vote for and when I choose Mike Huckabee, at that time his polls were way below. Today, when I see his polls way up, that itself is a confirmation of my right decision. The future of America is at a very crutial junction and it is imperative that ALL Americans come out to VOTE. Whom to vote, is them to decide BUT I know regardless of Huckabee's background HE IS THE RIGHT LEADER to lead this Nation as the next United States President. All the criticism that I have read, only confirms to me more and more that YES Huckabee is the MAN that America needs.

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gfharper — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:14:47 GMT

It would not be proper for me to make statements about how an automobile transmission works, since I know so little about it, any more than someone who is not a reader of the Bible to make negative statements about it. What few people seem to realize about the contract of marriage, is that both parties must participate wholly in the marriage contract for it to work. One can't be a polygamist, while the other is "submitting". That's not how it works. To have a truly wholesome marriage, both must be willing to put their all in the contract. I think the wives commitment should not be mentioned, without the entire statement being said - which includes, "husbands, love your wife as Jesus loves the church". Only a man following the vows to the letter would be able to do that. It's called, "unconditional love". I've been married 32 years, because I learned that. To not have that in a marriage can cause much arguing, anger and struggling for control.I think Mike Huckabee is a brave man to say what he feels - it's called "honesty"- not something too many politicians know much about. Let's hope they don't try to work on their automatic transmissions!

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God1 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:16:53 GMT

Rather than take responsibility for their medieval beliefs, whiny Evangelicals once again accuse the "liberal media," meaning any report that doesn't conform to their narrow-minded world view, of letting HIllary off the hook. Silly Evangelicals - Hillary has more baggage than Patti Roberts and Gayle Haggard on a trip to Vegas - and everybody knows all about it, thanks to the liberal media.

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dclgirl01 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:20:50 GMT

I am appalled that once again our Country is looking to religion in determining the best leader for our Country. I see all of the candidates pandering to the so called"Christians". I am a Christian and what I believe and how I interpret that belief is my own personal busniess. I do not belong to any organized religion out of choice. I am highly suspicious of organized religion and have been proven right time and time again based on the many scandals that befall these organizations. I do not tell others how it should be and I don't want others to tell me how it should be. Religion has no place in politics. This is something that has turned me away from organized religion. During the past 25+ years of the "moral majority" and the "left behinders" we have watched as this ideaology applied by ill advised and dillusional politicians has destroyed our relationships with many countries. Switzerland is a secular state and Iraq is a non secular state. Which one would you choose to live in? Until a policitian is willing to come forward and tell it like it is, we will never get out of this mess we are in.

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red5 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:21:17 GMT

What an idiot..Seriously go back to preaching at a church. This is politics and he wants to use religion just like Bush did to win. Submit? you're in America, not the middle east. The taliban will agree with you there.

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darin6977 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:25:27 GMT

If I told my wife to follow my orders she would laugh then chunk a cast iron frying pan at me. I may make more money and have the final say on 51% of decisions but you do not tell this lady, a 25 year veteran of the USAFR, what to do or how to think or act. Holy Huck and the whole band of religious zealots he is a part of are nothing but fodder for shows like Saturday Night Live and political cartoonists. Personally, I believe religion should be kept behind closed doors along with bowel movements and naked fat people.

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larryk — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:28:59 GMT

Wow. Some of these goofballs think that Hillary and Bill habe not been investigated enough. Yeah, I think we should get back to the Vince Foster thing... wonder what Rush and Mike Savage are doing these days?

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ChristiansForBiblicalEqualityAdvocate — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:37:33 GMT

The problem with Huckabee and the SBC's interpretation of male and female roles is that it is wrong (see below), but even more important for this conversation here,Huckabee's approach to the whole "submission of wives" thing may sound innocent and voluntary, but it is far from it.

The view that wives should submit to their husbands is enforced within the SBC and I'm sure it would be enforced within any church Huckabee is a pastor in.

Those within the SBC who don't agree that wives should submit to their husband and see husbands as the authority for "final say," are punished if they let their views be known. If those within the SBC refuse to sign the official statment saying they agree with unilateral husband leadership and wife submission, they are asked to resign from any SBC leadership or university / seminary teaching positions. If they do not resign on their own, they are fired.

(See Joe Trull's book protesting the SBC's stance: Putting Women In Their Place)

Several years after 1998 Huckabee's SBC extended this same statement agreement signing requirement to their foreign missionaries. Those who did not sign were fired, losing their salaries, benefits and termination courtesies while they were out in the field. (See missionaries Ron Hankins and Lydia Barrow-Hankins account in Mutuality Magazine's Winter 2003 issue)

Now, to get to the problem of interpretation: Huckabee's and the SBC's interpretation of Eph. 5:22 addressing wifely submission is wrong!

The original Greek text of Eph. 5: 22 does not say, "wives submit to your husbands." What it actually says is: "and wives to your own husbands." So verse 22 needs verse 21 for proper interpretation because verse 21 holds the verb.

In the original Greek text, verse 22 does not contain the verb "submit." The reader must look to the previous verse (verse 21) to find the necessary verb to apply here to wives. The previous verse 21 says, "SUBMIT YOURSELVES TO ONE ANOTHER. The submission of wives exists within a context that includes the submission of husbands. The primary message from this is that submission is to be mutual.

And the whole context that this was even being addressed in Eph. 5 wasn't to set forth standards for power relationships in marriage, it was to address the problems that were arising in the New Testament churches and Christian communities due to new converts from pagan religions coming into the churches and bringing chaos with them.

Much of what was said to women concerned trying to deal with their previous approaches to religious experiences while in these pagan sects. This needed to be addressed because some of the women who came from female goddess sects were acting abusively towards the men. Ephesus (spell?) was a center for the worship of at least two female goddess sects.

Even less "harmless" is the SBC's stance on ordaining women and allowing them to teach in the seminaries and universities where men might be exposed their teaching. They stopped ordaining women pastors and women seminary and university professors can stay in their teaching positions only if they agree to place themselves under the oversight of a designated male to supervise them.

While this all sounds like simply differeces in Christian community customs, if you take a closer look and follow it to it's interpretational end, it exposes an ontological view of women that I don't think the SBC would want to hold because it is heritical.

Historically this women restriction approach existed in the Christian church because of the surrounding cultural views leaching into Christian thought. Women were seen as intrinsically flawed and more susceptable to error and misbehavior than men. The SBC does not see women this way and they say men and women are "equal in essence, but unequal in function." They see proper "roles" for men and proper "roles" for women in the church. (Although 25 years ago proponents of this view extended this role segregation into the wider secular community).

But the problem with this seemingly innocent approach towards men and women is if "...we teach that men represent Christ better simply because they are male, we are relagating all women to a place of ontological inferiority. If women are less like Christ than men are, they are less than men. They are inferior in essence, not just function." (Faith Martin. Book: Call Me Blessed)

See more on this topic on Christians for Biblical Equality website www.cbeinternational.org

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Mac-101 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:57:00 GMT

This discussion is amasing. I'm a sorry escuse of a struggling Christian. I am slightly worried about Gov. Huckabee, I know about a dozen people from Arkansas. Half Clintionites and half that hate President Clinton. They ALL agree that President Clinton was a crook and ALL agree that Gov. Huckabee is just small time trying to reach the Clition level of curruption. What's the truth, I surely don't know. It appears the MSM is doing it's best to push Gov. Huckabee's selection for the Republican nomination. They hate Christians so I figure the're pushing for Huckabee so they can mock him big time and pull out any Arkasas curruption if it's there during the presidential election. Thereby, gaurenteeing Senaor Clinton's election. As for why Senator Clinton name keeps popping up it is because it's extremely obvious that the MSM is pushing for her big time and no scandle, however big, is covered concerning Senator Clinton. THe New World Order has selected her for to be the the next president to continue to run the world for the Trans-National Kapitalist elites!

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swoods03 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:06:36 GMT

i may not like huckabee too much, but i am a very outspoken christian woman...but you didnt take that the right way at all...recently, i got pregnant, and im in school, the pregnancy was a bit of a surprise, and i just happen to be an over achiever, im currently 9 months pregnant, and just finished finals for a full load of courses (12 hours) and i wanted to take more. my husband didnt think it would be safe for me and the baby to have the added stress of 2 more classes(or 18 hours) whereas i thought i would be fine and able to handle it. i gave in, or "submitted" to him as husband(which trust me, i didnt want to do) but now, im glad i did. he knows how stubborn i am, and how much i push myself, and i sometimes dont realize that. if i wouldnt have submitted to him on this, i would have pushed myself too hard i believe.

submitting to your husband is not about letting him have the last word, its about trusting that he knows you well enough, and loves you, to make the right decision for you and your family.

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David Anders — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:16:00 GMT

Mike does not in any dominate hi wife or try to. She is a member o NRA andacks a pistol, and parachutes out of planes. And Hillary cant use this becaue Bill doesnt want her, why he gropes

women,and ooes peverted acts with cigars.

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Mac-101 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:25:27 GMT

As a second thought, The whole histeria about his opinion on marrage and wifely duties is pretty much obsolete. Marraige's major purpose is to create a stable home environment to raise children so society can continue. A large percentage of women chose to have children without the benifit of marraige coupled with the large divorce rate is creating a situation where the majority of teenagers do not live in a home with both biological parents. The major indicator for childhood poverty, crime and abuse is not whether a child is black/white/brown/yellow/red or purple, it's whether the child lives with both natural parrents. That brings me to the next point. The Soviet state tried in the 1920's to take children away from parrents and raise them to be true communists without their parrents residual beoughaise (SP) influence. Anti social behavior skyrockected and Uncle Joe Stalin pushed Trotsky out of the USSR and pushed himself off as the FAMILY GUY!

AND, for all you that hate Christianity remember, you Solicialist Godless Ones have racked up an impressive record in the 20th century. Lenin 3mil, Hitler's National Solialists WORKERS Party 30mil, Uncle Joe Stalin 60mil, Chairman Mao 60-100mil, Pol Pot 2-3mil, just a rough guess. Lots of crushed eggs to make a dubious omlet. Evil Christians got a way to go to catch up!

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drettinger — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:55:45 GMT

Hmm, if you don't like Huckabee, don't vote for him. People of both political parties (and the poor cousins of all other parties) assign way too much importance to the office of President. A Democrat majority was elected to Congress and they have a worse approval rating than President Bush. If Congress doesn't want the President to stop a law, they can override his vetoes. The reason they fail so often is because they load these bills up with pork and nonsense and they can't agree on anything. Republicans lost their majority by acting like Democrats. Democrats failed to win a strong majority because they didn't bring anything really new to the table. Clinton and Obama are worthless rehashes of the same old 'promise the moon and deliver nothing" Dems of the recent past. Huckabee, Romney and Thompson are being like the mealy mouthed, lack of conviction Republicans that lost them their majority.

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AlexD — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:57:42 GMT

As a woman, and nto a very religious one, reading this article made me laugh. SERVANT TO THe LEADRSHIP OF THE HUSBAND!!!!! get the f out of here. This is 2007, so all you bible thumping hippies need to chill with all this bible talk. I can not believe a book written by man men, and not even knowing if the stuff is true but just going buy word of mouth. I would never vote for a president where thier religion takes precedence over politics. The next thinig you know he might want to try to ban all gynocologist offices and women clinics around america and also try to stop birth control. Crazy ass evangical. if this is supposed to be a seperation of govt and religion, we are sure not seeing that seperation....

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JSkeptic — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:27:04 GMT

Male superiority is probably the main idea behind Hillary hatred. She isn't subservient enough for a lot of guys self identity based on their religious beliefs. Men are made in the image of God and women have one primary purpose and that is to kneel before them and keep their egos pumped up.

To MAC-101: None of the religions are innocent when they have an army at their disposal..not even Christians. Some Christians were aligned with Hitler & Mussolini in War War II. The Vatican ran the country of Croatia for the Third Reich in which the extermination of 750,000 Serbs took place. One of the reasons so many Jews were killed in Germany was because Christians were afraid another Jewish lead Bolshevik revolution would take place in Germany.

Christians, Jews, aethists and Muslims have been battling it out for a long time with devasting results over the last 100 years. Under-currents of religion and anti-religion have driven wars based on emotion & hatred instead of reason. It is a big mistake for the United States to move it's' rationale for dealing with the world on religion instead of fairness, human dignity and equality for men and women. We don't need a "pastor in chief" to keep everybody in their status position.

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:52:58 GMT

Where are my comments ??????????????????????????

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:55:08 GMT

Hillary is a liberal and wife of a rapist.

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:56:21 GMT

Clinton equals Corruption

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:57:27 GMT

Smug , Arrogant, Flip flops on issues. Just like her spouse. Very calculating !

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:05:53 GMT

Constant knee jerk reactions. Liberals have a corner on intelectualism. Right!!!!!! They are very predictable and always politically correct. I think they take a poll before they venture an opinion.

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catzenjammer@earthlink.net — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:21:48 GMT

This is just more proof that, while all fundamentalists believe in the absolute literal interpretation of the bible, many of them will come to fisticuffs over whose absolute literal interpeltation is true. Praise jeeeeesus.

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Playabum — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:28:22 GMT

The "word of the living God" also says that we should keep the seventh day holy - Sabbarth - and obstain from shell fish and pork. How many evangelicals want to jump on that bad wagon? Many of those who interpret the "word of the living God" literally, literally overlook and excuse the Old Testament, which is the foundation of their faith.

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:53:47 GMT

Yes, it is like there is the old deal and there is the new deal. Which is it???. Stone them or forgive them, HUH ???? New Testament Old Testament! If the Jews are the chosen of GOD why did so much negative happen to them??? Just a question????

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:55:49 GMT

What the . . . .

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:57:42 GMT

I vote For Mike Obama

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hoopes_az — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:58:06 GMT

Huckabee has done plenty to bring this on himself. One can't go around making a mock of another's religious beliefs, and then be offended when the same happens to you.

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:58:20 GMT

OR was that Hillary Oprah

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:58:55 GMT

Vote for secular progressive humanists

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:01:00 GMT

Glen Beck for President !!!!!

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laredotech1 — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:01:02 GMT

I love it when replublicans get all messed up about someone telling them the truth about one of their own like Mike Huckabee. Like all of them, they get defensive and attack others that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed, lol. Just love it!

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:01:31 GMT

Glen Beck For President

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:03:05 GMT

Glen Beck For President

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:03:31 GMT

Glen Beck For President

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:04:26 GMT

Huckawho ?????

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:05:00 GMT

Shucka what ??????

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:06:01 GMT

Glen Beck For President !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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History — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:08:18 GMT