Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

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DGol — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:08:17 GMT

Nice, nice, nice. The man is nice. And you're right, the ad is a master stroke. I was going to suggest to my favorite Dem candidate to do a spot with the candidate tiptoeing in with a gift for Uncle Sam ... the troops home for Christmas, or health care, or whatever .... but you're right; anything that follows this ad is going to look like a "Me too."

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paul4him — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:49:30 GMT

I am very comfortable with this man being our next President! He is a breath of fresh air! God Bless America!

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rogerally — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:57:40 GMT

Well, I like him too. He is a real person. He could be a great President. And he probably could beat Hillary too. One problem: He is for continuing the Iraq war. So, I won't vote for him. But if he had the courage to advocate ending the war, he would be in that one instant, both more "normal" than Hillary and more in tune with the electorate. Pray for that miracle to happen.

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libertarius — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:58:22 GMT

It is not the secularists who shouold be offended by this ad, it is the committed Christians. Mike Huckabee just reduced the birthday of our Lord to another branding device. Talk about cynical political exploitation: the man delivered a religious Christmas card whose underlying message was Vote for Me! he may have said it's all about the Christ child, but what he conveyed was that it's all about Mike Huck-ster-abee.

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South Carolina Joe — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:21:51 GMT

NOW Huckabee is "using" Christmas... will it ever end? The liberal media wants him - so they refuse to acknowledge this week's story about his own son going Michael Vick - TORTURING a dog to death before getting fired from his job. Yet, somehow, we don't hear about that. The guy was an abomination in Arkansas - and would be even worse for the United States! YUCK!

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rebelparson — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:22:54 GMT

I have been for Tancredo, but have been considering Huckabee. The Christmas Ad probably has convinced me - Huckabee! He will make a great President.

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LDM in Chantilly — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:44:01 GMT

Before we get all sentimental over Christmas, let's not forget that this is afterall a *political* ad hoping to attract voters. This guy is not preaching, he is pandering for votes. What kind of Christian would use the birth of Christ in such a crass attempt to gain voter advantage? Surely my fellow Baptist pastor must know that the Christian faith is too important than to be used for personal gain.

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117572 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:02:31 GMT

He is so correct. I am so glad that he was not afraid to go on National TV and say Merry Christmas instead of Season's Greetings or Happy Holidays, Ugh!. He will make a good president. He has my vote.

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arkiemoderate — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:14:27 GMT

All you guys who think the Huck would be a "great" president REALLY need to study what he did as our Guv. He is just as much a liar as most of the other candidates. We have had that for 8 years, do we really want more? He changes versions of what he did through the years several times. He had NO trouble taking thousands of dollars in gifts as Guv. He used our plane for his personal business so much, the plane had to be scrapped. He had the hard drives destroyed on all state computers including the ONLY one with flight records on it, when he left office. PLEASE don't vote for him simply because he is a Christian or he talks nice. If you ever watched how he acts when the press started asking the right questions, you will see he is just like the rest. STUDY his record folks. Changed his mind on so many things now that he is running.

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RichInSeattle — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:32:01 GMT

As a staunch Democrat, somehow the idea of Huckabee as president doesn’t scare me. I don’t agree with him on the social issues, but for some reason I don’t think he’s a jerk like the Bushies or Rush Heads. I even like this campaign ad. Maybe it’s because he went on the Colbert Report back when he had only 1% of the vote and that got me liking him early. I truly like Mike.

The only thing I will add though, is Carter was very likeable and he mad a horrible president. So just because you like someone personally doesn’t mean they will make a good president. They have to show leadership and strength. I hated that people said Bush was the guy you’d rather have a beer with. What does that have to do with running a country is beyond me? So although I’d love to spend Christmas with Mike, I am still not sold that he would make a good president. Don't even get me started on Hillary. (Obama 08!)

I still think McCain would make the best president, even if that horrible train wreck of a Democrat Lieberman endorses him.

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mariethomson — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:48:12 GMT

Huckabee, shame on you using the sentiments of fine people in your part of the country and even the birth of Christ, for crying out loud, for your political purposes.

You were a nobody until a few weeks ago and the public is just starting to catch up with your record as Governor in Arkansas so I'm sure you hope they will "just enjoy Christmas" and "not pay attention" to the press reports or your opponents ads that will prove you aren't fit to be President. By the end of the Christmas holiday you will be all the way up against the Iowa Priamary without any scrutiny of your less than stellar record. Sly as a fox or a pastor in wolf's clothing?

Well let's summarize some of the items you don't want folks to know about your record and your soundness of judgement:

1) Supported illegal immigration (Tyson affair).

2) Got free tuition for illegal aliens kids from tax dollars.

3) Raised taxes 21 times.

4) Pardoned over 1000 criminals including murderers and rapists who have struck again.

5) Worked to reduce the punishment for meth sales.

6) NOW THE WORST--He says in an article if we are just nice and generous other nations will "love us!" What has he been smoking. This guy isn't fit to be trusted with foreigh policy when we are dealing with Islamic Terrorists who hate us in spite of our aid to their countries etc. This man is DANGEROUS.

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mariethomson — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:59:46 GMT

I vote for naughty! Shame on you Huckster.

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mariethomson — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:19:48 GMT

I vote for naughty! Shame on you Huckster.

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Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:30:48 GMT

I really don't think that he's 'USING' Christmas, as some here are saying. I think that they're upset that their candidate of chioce didn't do this first. The thing is that Mike Huckabee seems genuine in this add. He glorified the Lord, AND reminded the Liberal media that we still have both Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion in America. Not freedom 'from' religion, as the liberal left has decided for us. It's groups like the ADL who have fought to remove all forms of Christianity from our society. As a reminder to the ADL, you are for ant-defamation which is fine. But as a mainly Jewish org. it is not your place to remove Christ from Christmas or century's old traditions like opening Congress with a prayer. Shame on you! The group for the seperation of church and state is no better, as most of the spokespeople (except for 1 christian reverand) are muslims with Pakistan heritage. Shame on you too! I am not a Huckabee voter, and will not change my vote based on any ads, but I am thankful for your message Mr. Huckabee. God bless you too.

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keinl1 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:47:35 GMT

As a Christian, I am continually disgusted by political attempts to garner votes through religious manipulation. This ad has stepped even further over the line. These "Christian" politicians are convincing every true Christian with a brain and an independent mind to vote democrat. Dont fall for it or we'll have 8 more years of bastardizing our faith.

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jemanji — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:53:14 GMT

The ad is politically astute, but pandering? It is the reverse of pandering. Huckabee is sincere in his beliefs and his challenge is to 1) make a statement of his beliefs that 2) will offer the MSM the least jaw to swing at. ... Huckabee is a believer first and a candidate second, and he wants to be elected (or not) based on who he actually is as a person. That is absolutely typical Christian-martyr thought: I will confess my beliefs, and let the chips fall where they may. ... OTOH the *manner* of the "confession" is carefully crafted: it puts the MSM on the most unpleasant possible ground on which to fight. ... looks from here like Huckabee found a way to emphasize that he is a Christian, that is likely to expedite his candidacy. So sue him. :- )

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David Anders — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:55:40 GMT

All these people running Huckabee down in Arkansas are Democrats that hillary called hicks when she first came to arkansas. HUCKABEE WAS A GREAT GOVERNOR AND WAS ELECTED 4 TIMES IN A DEMOCRAT STATE. HE BEAT THE CLINTON MACHINE, AND WILL DEMOLISH HILLARY, YOU REMEMBER HILLARY, THE ONLY FIRST LADY TO STEAL THE WHITEHOUSE FURNITURE, WHILE PERVERTED BILL WAS PARDONING HUNDREDS OF CRIMINALS,DRUG DEALERS, AND EVEN TERROSISTS ABVOVE OBJECTIONS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. THIS IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO RUN OUR COUNTRY, GET REAL

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Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:00:38 GMT

We will have tons of 'Christians' berating him here because he 'used' their religion. I don't believe that any of you jokers are actually 'Christian' for one second. Meaning that any of you love Christ, and put him before your political beliefs. I do not believe any of you.. . not a single one of you 'Christians'. As a Christian, non-Huckabee future voter, I just don't believe you... Sorry, please go tell your story to someone who doesn't know better. Call me whatever you want, I will not be voting for Huckabee, but I respect him. More than I can say of any of you 'Christians' on here.

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keinl1 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:05:48 GMT

I live in Arkansas, and love the state, but I must say I am embarassed by those who claim to represent our state. Lets face it, people think Arkansas is full of hicks because it is, and by hick I mean those who will blindly follow a good old boy simply because he confirms their identity. Huckabee is not a Christian, and he does not represent the interests of those in Arkansas (muchless the country). Lets not forget that Huckabee turned a blind eye to the animal abuse that happens yearly at the "Turkey Trot Festival." For those of you who don't know, its where a bunch of yahoos get together and drop live turkeys to their death from a passenger plane- to another mob of screaming yahoos below. Very Christian indeed. And for those who maintain they are from Arkansas and continue to support the same good ol boy politics that suppress your own welfare-STOP maintaining the stereotype. I'm begging you. My educated friends refuse to come visit.

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RichInSeattle — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:15:50 GMT

I find it funny how you Republicans are attacking this guy, but in a few months will be saying how wonderful and great he is and how horrible the Dems are should Mike get the nomination. You'll proudly put Huck '08 bumper stickers on your cars and say how he'll save the country. Bottom line, no matter who the Republicans put up will have a down hill battle. Face it, after eight years of Republican control the country isn't in better shape. It's time for a change and as Bob Dole says, "You know it, I know it, and the American people know it."

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keinl1 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:40:35 GMT

Oh, and forgot...one little thing...

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!

...it's only one of the foundational governing principles of our nation.

Many of our Christian ancestors weren't so lucky. Without it we could again lose the right to worship freely. Politics and religion are horrific bedfellows. If you think the Christian choice is to fall for a candidate proposing Christian idealism, you just may be making the most un-Christian choice. if you don't believe me, read an American history book.

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kayandjay — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:00:41 GMT

I for one am glad to see a canditate who is not afraid to excercise not only his constitutional right, but his God given right to freedom of speech. I am also glad to see a man who realizes what the the founding fathers meant when they wrote about separation of church and state. The state has absolutely no right to put limits on how or where we discuss our faith. With everyone being so concerned about being "politically correct", we are slowly but surely giving up our freedoms that our fathers shed their blood and died for. If Governor Huckaby were of the Jewish faith, I would expect him to recognize the Jewis holiday, and the same goes for any other religion. I'm from South Carolina and I'm voting for Mike Huckaby.

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midnight05 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:22:56 GMT

He ought to stop this "Christian leader shtick. He may be charming the evangelicals but he's scaring the living daylights out of the moderates, the Catholics, the Jews, the Muslims, the seculars and people not wearing their religions on their sleeves.

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Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:36:01 GMT

Posted By: keinl1 (December 17, 2007 at 10:40 PM)

Oh, and forgot...one little thing...

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!

...it's only one of the foundational governing principles of our nation.

PLEASE entertain me by attempting to explain this comment. America = Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Religion. Seperation of Church and State does not mean that one cannot express his or her religious beliefs. Until the government offers all contracts to Churches, until the government forces me to not work on Sundays, until the government starts handing out bibles, until the governement starts taking orders from the Vatican.. . Until anything like that happens will you people please just get over it? Just ecause you shout the loudest DOES NOT mean that you win the debate. Not everyone has the same beliefs, and that's fine because this is America and you're free to pray to Mickey Mouse if you want, but like it or not many of us are Christians and we appreciate what Huckabee did when he didn't put his beliefs before his chances to be president.

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disciplemakr — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:47:33 GMT

As someone who is going into Christian ministry and someone who has lived in Arkansas his entire life I can honestly say that I believe this message truly is sincere. Let me tell you why: Mike Huckabee was a Baptist Minister before he began running for President. He has talked about God and Christ before he grew in the polls. He has always claimed that his faith has defined him.... and this is one way that he is showing it. I mean come on... You guys are fighting about whether this ad is genuine or not. For crying out loud...it seems to me that you guys just want something to argue about. No one has the right to claim whether someone is or is not a Christian. That is ignorant and certainly not Biblical. Who are you to decide whether this ad is genuine or not. If anything this should cause Gov. Huckabee to loose votes because he said the words Christmas! Sadly this country has become Politically Correct. Don't judge his ad. Sure there where probably many reasons for this ad.... and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. You have no idea if someone this Christmas will open up their Bible because of this ad and turn to Christ. It could happen and whether it does or not just the possibility makes me think it's awesome.

Also, as someone who is from Arkansas I ask that everyone look into the critisim that Mike Huckabee is getting. The way the media, the liberals, and the beuracrats are betraying him is not how it happened in Arkansas. He was a great Governor. He raised the taxes that where needed and lowered the taxes that where not. He fixed roads, school, parks and then left Arkansas iwth a 300 million dollar surplus. He pardoned 1000 criminals but he had more executions than any other state! He has released and awesome immegration plan and has some great ideas for this country. Check him out and stop being ignorant!

God bless and Merry CHRISTmas

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hucku — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:59:05 GMT

The Huckster stole this idea from Ron Paul, just like he stole the "gee I wanna get rid of the IRS" comment and his entire "grassroots" campaign strategy (except he had to hire a lot of the so-called grassroots). The Huckster is a special-interest, foreign-interest, bought & paid for political insider, masquerading as a grassroots candidate. And the press is eating it up. Don't believe it for a minute. For the straight dope on the Huckster, from a life-long evangelical Christian, read Chuck Baldwin's authoritative article, "Christian Right just doesn't get it": http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/baldwin/071208

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Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:14:58 GMT

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/baldwin/071208

blah, blah, blah .. .brought to you by Alan Keyes, Ron Paul and whomever else you support. So Huckabee stole the idea of saying 'Merry Christmas'? Shame on him, that Grinch.. Thanks for the heads up on this guy's dirty politics 'Huck-U', and "Merry Christmas to you as well".

*Merry Christmas is a registered trademark of Ron Paul, any likeness to this salutation will be severely slandered and flogged by political opposition bloggers - Results may vary depending on religion, political affiliates, and hair color. Some restrictions may apply"*

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Gundyrage — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:17:30 GMT

Haha, this is almost as cheesy as that Ron Paul ad. I agree that this time of year is about the birth of our Savior..... but he is just selling himself out in this ad; he has done so throughout his campaign. "Im way religious....so are you----I guess I can count on your vote" Please! Give me some credentials!

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Northlite — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:24:17 GMT

Andrew, I think your cut on the candidates continues to be among the most insightful and cutting, for each in their time.

I routinely accuse Romney of using religion and even his own beliefs for pandering political manipulation, probably with input from high priced consulants and pollsters, but Huck goes him one better. Today we see Huck on the rise and the beauty of his Christian faith. He is the man of the moment. But his moment will be brief. As the spotlight of the media and the other candidates turn on him, they reveal serious nastiness, pardons for a rapist and murder in spite of pleas form his victims, that pardon given for rather crass for political reasons and too too much more. After one week, his poll numbers are already taking a downward turn, much as Shtupgate etc. has done in Rudy. Plus, he aint't got the bucks or the organization. Too many Rs are not going to support McCain, Thompson rose until the day he declared and its been downhill since then. Paul "base", if you can call it that, is just too small and it shows no signs of growing, even with the dollars pouring in.

The R establishment is coming together and on conservative and neocon websites people are talking about voting for Obama and a few even for Hillary if Huck is the candidate. They need a candidate they can get behind. Mitt Romney will be "The Man". He's got money, organization, business background, born into R establishment:, smart, thinks strategically, and will attract a lot of moderates and independents once he runs closer to the center, after securing the nomination.

Romney was my Governor. In running for office and in his first 2 1/2 years as governor, he was a moderate, conservative on fiscal issues but moderate and even liberal on social issues. He was not a great governor, but not a bad one either. But to get elected, he made promises to us publicly, privately, and individually. He made these promises consistantly over a period of more than ten years. Now he has had a "conversion", sometimes even say that its what he had to do to get elected, sometimes implying that he manipulated the liberals and gave them a conservative agenda--a good thing. Personally, I feel like he lied to us.

In forty years of following and being a bit player in fairly high politics, I have seen many political acts of nobility and others of the most blatant and obnoxious crassness. I have never seen a politician with less integrity and less courage than Mitt Romney.

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CorbinB2 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:39:01 GMT

If ANYONE, for or against Mr. H, thinks this was anything less than a cheap ploy to cuddle up to the religious and semi-religious voters, they are just plain blind or perhpas even worse than that. This is the guy who says he is not trying to use religion as part of his campaign and then puts 'Christian Leader' in his ads, attacks or at least raises questiuons about his opponents religion and now comes out with a 'non-political' political ad about Christmas? Give me a break already.

I understand and fully expect political ads as part of the process of electing our leaders. Trying to hide them as anything else only cheapens the value and insults the intelligence of the voting public. When are we going to just see ads about what a candidate can do for the country? No attacks, just proposals and solutions that make sense!

Haven't these guys learned that that you can't talk down to voters by now? Talk to the people about what you will do once elected and leave the rest alone. This goes for all candidates on both sides. Give the voters the respect they deserve since they are the ones who ultimately determine a candidates fate. You attack, patronize, talk down or otherwise insult my intelligence as a voter and my vote will go somewhere else. Candidates should remember that we can all just choose to leave the boxes blank and maybe in some cases we should if we see no good choices.

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lepremierjour — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:39:35 GMT

This man really scares me. He even advertises himself as a step backward from a tolerent America. Not to mention this ad is ridiculous, it epitomizes kissing ass.

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Gundyrage — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:48:01 GMT

Mister Rogers for President 2008! "speedy delivery"

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hucku — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:03:23 GMT

Here's another great article on the same subject: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin420.htm

Find out the real scoop on the Huckster before the mainstream media fools you into voting for this fake grassroots candidate. Did you know Mitt Romney and his wife have a net worth of almost a quarter-billion dollars! No wonder he's been buying all that ad time, He won't be able to buy the election though. Giuliani/Huckabee/Hillary/Obama/Romney are essentially all the same; who cares who wins if these are the only choices? The good news this election cycle is that we all win a small victory, because I've looked at all 16 Dem/Rep candidates, and even though 13 of them are corrupt political insiders, none of them is stupid. When you have corrupt mixed with stupid, like we've had the past eight years, we all lose.

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HungS — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:13:11 GMT

As a long-term finance professional as well as a part-time seminary student, I don't feel offended to be greeted for Christmas. That's the way it should be. In a deeply divided political world, it takes real courage to remind people what Christmas is about.

For the people who are like myself which watched all the debates and studied all the issues and records and attacks and defenses, I think most people will agree with me that while Huckabee made some mistakes actually trying to do his job as a government, he has better overall records and results than the other candidates in the field. And he is the only candidate that have the communicate skills and passion to unite the nation to go forward.

Happy Christmas to all of you, even we disagree with each others! Continue to be passionate about politics, but don't forget we are one nation. Don't let the politicans in Washington take away your love for the country!

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CAMPY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:02:05 GMT

I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL THING FOR HIM TO NOT HIDE HIS REAL FEELINGS. A CHRISTIAN SHOULD NEVER, EVER BE ASHAMED OF BEING A CHRISTIAN. I WOULD NEVER EVER VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO WAS ASHAMED TO SAY THE WORD "CHRISTMAS" OR "CHRIST".. JESUS IS REAL AND SMART PEOPLE KNOW IT. THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP CHRIST IS WHY OUR FOREFATHERS CAME HERE TO BEGIN WITH......AND THEY WERE BLESSED. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE AND BE HAPPY TO CELEBRATE THE BIRTHDAY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON EVER BORN.

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mark of sore-o — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:53:11 GMT

i didn't have to approve my christmas greeting---slick production values too---a real republican------

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MTR1973 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:12:08 GMT

Ugh. While I agree with Andrew that this will be a successful ad, it grosses me out that I have to do so. I'm sick and tired of candidates for public office pandering to the electorate; it only serves to distract our collectively-afflicted society of ADD-riddled voters from issues that actually matter. I don't give a @#$*() if he spins a draedel or puts a star on top of his Christmas tree, his personal religious views have nothing to do with me and nothing to do with the issues we as a country face. It's sad that so many people will think "Yeah, I'm sick and tired of people saying we can't say Merry Christmas, too!" and think that this meaningless common ground warrants a presidential vote.

Candidates are lucky that people in this country have gotten so stupid and gullible.

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mistillm — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:44:56 GMT

To the folks below who are excited about Huckabee's candidacy. . ."yes," he's an unashamed Christian, and "yes," he seems like a nice guy. But if you've watched him interviewed on any of the morning news shows, he is truly a light weight. When asked difficult or detailed policy questions, he seems woefully uninformed. My hope is that those with buyer's remore about W--people who voted for him based on the likeability factor or the religious litmus test but ultimately found his leadership and vision lacking--will think very hard before supporting Huckabee. There are better candidates in this field in both parties.

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bme5628 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:47:41 GMT

Beware of Wolves in sheeps clothing....

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CA2NY — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:16:46 GMT

"Separation of church and state" Does anyone here know WHERE this is found in the Constitution? I don't either, because IT'S NOT THERE. Our forefathers came to America for freedom OF religion, NOT freedom FROM religion. Incidentally, "separation of church and state" was not a constitutional concept until 1947, in a Supreme Court case called Everson v. Board of Education. The author of the majority opinion? Hugo Black, a member of the KKK and someone who clearly had an axe to grind. And many judges--including the late Justice Rehnquist--have strongly criticized Black's irrational rationale.

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rbass7 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:34:03 GMT

Funny how they work, Ron Paul had his Christmas video out the first of Dec....Huckabee is only a copy cat.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPCWGtIupE

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craiggeo — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:51:00 GMT

To CA2NY:

"Separation of Church and State" came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists in 1802. You are correct that this phrase is NOT mentioned in the Constutution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Independence. Read more at http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html.

It is interesting to note that this separation was intended to keep the state from establishing a state religion (just like England had done). That's why people came to America - to have FREEDOM. Separation of Church and State was NOT intended to keep God out of government. This phrase is constantly misused to kick God out of government, schools, etc. Without God, where do we get our morals on which our laws are based?

Our founding fathers believed this - Read the Declaration of Independence. Man was given certain unalienable rights by his CREATOR (that would be God).

Interesting article about FREEDOM at http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/161/what-does-freedom-really-mean/ . Ron Paul stands for actually following the Constitution. Shouldn't we expect that from any candidate for president?

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shell-3 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:57:44 GMT

I like it... Someone willing to make a change... bring american back to its roots.. he stands up for what is right.. and not what is popular....

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AshleyKeen — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:10:07 GMT

Are you kidding me? I can't understand all the Christians who are outraged about this. How can you possibly be outraged that someone, *anyone* has put a Christ-centered message on TV without trying to spin it one way or the other (Charles Schulz aside). It's a political ad: So what? Scripturally speaking, Jesus himself said that those who weren't against him were with him. And as Christians, we should know that God uses all things to work together for good for those who love him. Personally, I think it's a good thing that someone, anyone, took the time -- away from their normal campaign messages -- to denote that JESUS is the reason we celebrate Christmas (yes yes, I know I know the date itself was chosen based on a Roman pagan holiday, sheath your verbal daggers. The fact still remains that Christmas and the idea of Christmas is based on the birth of Christ). What other Candidate would have taken such a strong stand? Could we have expected anything other than a watery, soppy "Happy Holidays" from anyone else?

Imagine, with me, that Mike Huckabee was not running for president, that he was simply a guy that purchased a TV spot and reminded us all to remember the birth of Christ because it's Christmas time. He'd be interviewed on K-LOVE and Radio-U and plastered on the front pages of the Focus on the Family website. Rick Warren would be flying across the country to shake his hand. He'd have speaking engagements at every church in the nation. People just don't DO that. They don't take a national platform and use it to spread the message of Christ. It's simply _not done_. Ironically, that's exactly what Jesus _did_ do, and further, it's what he told US to do as his followers.

Whether or not Mike Huckabee becomes the next president of the United States or not. Or whether he even gets the Republican party nomination or not, I think that what he has done here is very important and extremely courageous. Will it win him votes? Maybe. Will it lose him votes? Probably. Whatever the intentions behind this, I think this was an incredibly kingdom-minded thing to do. Awesome stuff.

Merry Christmas, and may God bless you and your family!

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ezrest2004 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:23:27 GMT

Nothing like a good discussion about politics or religion to bring out the beast in us. When you combine the two, hot tamale! I think from reading the comments, that those who hate Huckabee are going to find something to clamor about, and those who hate Christianity will do the same. This seems to be an open forum to air one's discontent and one's prejudice. I think that some of the apparent loons on here who make such outrageous remarks are sitting like vultures on a fence post waiting for a sick cow to die when it comes to their own small-minded egos which need a forum for whatever is stuck in their gizzard. Let's see if we cannot do our best to stay on subject and discuss the ARTICLE, not last week's news. Politics is an art, not a science. Huckabee is painting his canvass with his brush, palette, and his vision. If it fails, then the voters will give it a thumbs down, not some of these yahoos here.

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ikie12pts — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:26:14 GMT

Some of my family members live in Arkansas and they say that he talks out of both sides of his mouth! Pardoning rapists and murderers is ridiculous. IT doesn't matter if God forgives them, they broke our laws. God forgives anyone who asks. He's very naive and has his own agenda, believe me.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

pinkpanther87413 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:28:08 GMT

yup its time for the ladies to get back to the kitchen, and out of the work place. i need a job so when this preacher, who has not paid a dime in taxes for his church which now is a political platform, they should be taxed in politics. To get all women back to where the bible tells us so, will be a breath of fresh air, all in the home, and men work, they serve! perfect lets just take a few more steps backwards in this country, no rights for men, and one for women, serve men, thats there job and the rights men have will be gone ,as the bible and Constitution don't belong together till now under Huckabee. good man get rid of spirited women in the workplace put them right where they belong, serving man till death kool!!!

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

ikie12pts — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:30:50 GMT

Why doesn't Huckabee talk about his son, who tortures animals? Gets arrested? We all know that young people who do this kind of thing have terrible home lives. So, why should be simply forget all about that? Huckabee wasn't a good governor and would be a disaster as President. It never ceases to amaze me how people can support the DEVIL himself, if he says he's a Christian. How easily we are swayed. Don't we think for ourselves anymore? Guess not.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:14:10 GMT

Posted By: ikie12pts (December 18, 2007 at 9:30 AM)

Why doesn't Huckabee talk about his son, who tortures animals? Gets arrested?

Can't you just let the man wish you a Merry Christmas without judging him? I will not vote for him because he wished me a Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays. I won't even vote for him, but it's refreshing to see an add like this rather than one that's bashing his political opponents or one that totes the PC line of wishing me a Happy Holidays. It's people like you that are attacking him, and are hawkish, but again you'll blame Republicans simply because they have different beliefs than you. It's people like you that give this add momentum, by bashing him because of his religion you make him a martyr. Hop down off your high horse for a minute, stop judging everyone that's on the opposite side of the isle everytime they say something, and please remember just how perfect you are not for once in your life.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

craiggeo — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:18:34 GMT

To Joke:

Is stating one's belief about right & wrong not allowed? If you read your latest post you are saying anyone can't state their belief if it is against another person because that is judging and judging is wrong. That is incorrect--We all judge all the time. I do not have to be perfect to judge correctly. The law (moral or judicial) is the standard that all should be held to.

Some people disagree with Huckabee using "Merry Christmas" to further his political campaign. They are allowed to feel that way. You have attacked them for disagreeing with you. You are wrong to do so. You have the right to disagree with them and make that disagreement known. Just because you disagree does not make them "hawkish."

I think his ad makes him seem human and likable. I also think he'll do whatever it takes to get whatever vote he can, including the "Christian" vote. Look at his Arkansas record, review his platform an the issues, and make a decision. Don't vote for anyone just because you like him. His ad is just about getting people to like him.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Jarrod — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:58:04 GMT

OH MY GOODNESS!

Someone who has the nerve to stand up to the PC Police and state the simple truth that Christmas commemorates the birth of Jesus Christ! How dare he!

Mike and all true Christians don't consider themselves religious, they consider themselves related to God through Christ. Jesus Christ is not just a part of their life or in their life or 'a good teacher' in their experience, he is their very life. This is not using Christmas as a political ploy or wearing your religion on your sleeve, it is being who you are; a Christ's One. It is born of a desire to share the good news that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life for anyone and everyone who will receive him.

The complaints about this simple message are astounding to me. What are you all so afraid of?

'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved. It is good news!

"When they saw the courage of Peter and John (and Mike?) and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. But since they could see the man who had been healed standing there with them, there was nothing they could say. So they ordered them to withdraw from the Sanhedrin and then conferred together. "What are we going to do with these men?" they asked. "Everybody living in Jerusalem knows they have done an outstanding miracle, and we cannot deny it. But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn these men to speak no longer to anyone in this name."

Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard."

Acts 4:13-21 (parenthesis mine)

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

amzimbler — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:07:22 GMT

Yes, what our "based on tolerence" country needs is another dose of a religious zelot's brand of Christianty -- just in time for the HOLIDAYS. This time, Huckabee has presented himeself all wrapped up in a great, big, red, polyester bow, ready to tell everyone to celebrate Christmas -- or else...

If people believe George Bush and his cyncical gang of moralists was good for our country -- elect Huckabee to get a real measure of what fanatical religion can do to a great country...wake up!

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:20:48 GMT

I disagree with you on all of your points:

His ad is just about getting people to like him. - I believe that he said 'Merry Christmas', and mentioned Christ because he cares more about his religion than about votes. This impressed me, whether I like it or not many Americans have turned away from Christianity.

I have attacked people who have attacked him because he used 'their' religion to further his political campaign. These people are upset because they don't agree with his politics, they back someone else politically, and if they were honest Christians they would be celebrating that someone finally stood up to the current system and said both 'Christ' and 'Christmas (twice)' in his message.

About judging, your point is also moot on this. IF someone is a Christian, and he used 'their' religion, they would know Matthew 7:1 which notes 'Judge not, lest ye be judged first'.

Changing the subject from his ad campaign to his family IS hawkish. This person wants to belittle Mr. Huckabee however possible. His son is not running for office, and is not the subject of the day. I would like for everyone to stay on topic here if we're to have an honest discussion about Mr. Huckabee's commercial where he used the word Christmas. This is not a podium for people to insert off-topic venom because they disagree with this man's politics.

As I said, I am not here to stomp for Huckabee because we share the same religious beliefs, as another television personality has done WHICH APPEARS to be because she shares the same ethnicity. I am here to talk about using the term 'Christmas' vs. 'Holidays', and how this affects people's attitudes here in America.

Please do continue this discussion as I enjoy a good debate, and again "Merry Christmas' to you and thanks again for your reply.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

BigLou_20 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:35:33 GMT

I am for Mike Huckabee. I don't agree with everything he does, but I feel as if he is the best candidate for the being prez.

Lou

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listening — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:13:35 GMT

Huckabee's comment that universal health coverage would allow 'old hippies to get their drugs' shows his misunderstanding of a critical concern (again) for Americans who do not receive adequate healthcare because of a corporately corrupt healthcare system. That argument aside, it is more important to note that he misrepresents himself as a man of God. The question for a believer is: Am I by brother's keeper? The answer is provided throughout the Bible, from Isaiah to the Gospels. And Jesus answered this question: Yes, you are. This 'Christian' candidate appeals to the 'Christian' community and is receiving their support. Here we go again.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Pleefer — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:34:41 GMT

Ron Paul had his Christmas message ad first. So Ol Huck is a "me too"

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

craiggeo — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:11:59 GMT

I didn't think you would agree with my points. I agree that Mike Huckabee can use Merry Christmas in an ad if he wants to. He paid for the ad. I also think it was a calculated political move to appeal to the so-called conservative right. He absolutely was trying to get people to like him--the many people who believe that Christ is part of the word Christmas (most "Christians").

I changed my mind - you are right - it is hawkish to change the subject to Huckabee's son on this board. That doesn't mean they can't disagree with his political tactics.

On a theological note, You took Matthew 7:1 out of context. The point is elaborated in Mat. 7:2. The standard you hold others to is the same standard by which you are judged. Jesus isn't saying not to judge (he was very judgemental). He is simply stating that the same standard is applied to all (same point made in Romans 2).

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:28:55 GMT

He is simply stating that the same standard is applied to all (same point made in Romans 2):

I agree with you 100%, but people today seem to pick and choose who they judge depending on whether or not they're blue or red NOT by who they are as a person. I really don't think that anyone can say that there's not a double standard on who's condemned and who's not.

I also think it was a calculated political move to appeal to the so-called conservative right:

You may be 100% right on this, I do not know what his intentions were. My point was that he has alienated everyone else who follows a different religion than Christianity, or is an athiest. There are many athiests in America, and if they were willing to listen to him before this message now they probably won't. Just maybe he might have done this as an expression of his religion, and not as a political stunt as many people here have already judged him as doing. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. This does not mean that he gets my vote.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Duhwayne — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:11:15 GMT

Master stroke? You would think after the last eight years people would actually expect their presidential candidates to be able to do something on the issues. I didn't think the bar could be set lower than the last couple times around, but apparently his demographic just loves it that way.

Voting for a candidate who exploits religion and encourages others to not vote for another candidate by these indirect swipes is not American. Maybe after we're done reading our Bibles, we could pick up another document supposedly important in our country. (Or do our homeschoolers only do madrassa work?) Let me quote:

"Article VI

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Cut the piety and talk to me about the record at odds with the party principles he claims to support. Let me know what you think about the ethics issues involving favors, suppressed prosecutions of family members and acceptance of gifts in the tens of thousands of dollars. Forget alleged flipflops on positions, this is third world corruption. And the content-free piety calls it all up again. I don't know who I'm voting for but I do know who I will now oppose. Wake up people! Your Constitution is at stake.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

robert45 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:12:07 GMT

Brilliant ad.

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JinxB — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:37:31 GMT

If Barack Obama had done this ad, all you Dems saying how much it "scares you" that Huckabee is a man of faith and is "using" Christmas for political gain would be telling us all how "brilliant" and "different" and "hopeful" and "positive" the ad was.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Duhwayne — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:47:40 GMT

JinxB, I'm not a Democrat. For all you people saying the ad is brilliant, there is clever and there is right. I was interested in Huckabee until I saw the Youtube of him saying that his surge was caused by the same power that fed the 5,000. Three's a reason he won't go on Meet the Press in the final two weeks. The guy is campaigning as Christian in chief. I used to think that Repubs did this cynically to scoop up the stupid vote. Either this guy is the biggest cynic of them all by mocking his priesthood as a political tool, or this guy actually believe what he's saying. Either way, that guy has no business being inside the White House, let alone living there. BTW, Obama didn't do the ad. Biblical allusion can be powerful in a political speech when motivating the country to support the ideals in the Constitution. Dr. King's speech is a perfect example. This guy is putting the Constitution to the fire.

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Sheldon2 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:16 GMT

To the person that said that Huckabee makes "Jews, Muslims and Catholics nervous," I have no idea what you are basing this conclusion on. Let me say that I am Jewish and don't have the slightest problem with what Gov. Huckabee says in this ad, or his candidacy in general. I am a strong supporter of politicians like President Bush (Christian) and Sen. Lieberman (Jewish) because of -- not in spite of -- the fact that faith plays a large part in their lives. Neither Bush nor Lieberman .... nor Huckabee for that matter .... has ever advocated allowing the Church (or Synagogue) interfere with decisions of State, so there should be no need nor cause for concern.

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Northlite — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:17:06 GMT

While I'm not crazy about Huck, at least he is fairly consistent. I thought Mitt's inclusion of a Bible quote on his card was far worse. I have recieved a card from Mitt and family every year since 1994 when he first ran for office. Most of the cards said Happy Holidays not even Merry Christmas. They certainly didn't have any Biblical quotes. Mitt is a pure rotten political opportunist. Talk about a phony who will even use the Bible to advance his personal ambitions! Shamelessly Shockingly UnChristian! Then again, he will burn in Hell with his fellow Rombots after he spends all his money and still loses.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Duhwayne — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:19:15 GMT

Sheldon, Bush and Lieberman never said that their political success was attributed to the special support of God either.

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Elizabeth828 — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:25:59 GMT

Was this Huckabee ad paid for by his campaign? Then it's a political ad, a cheapening of the birth of Christ and a non-separation of church and state. This guy is a huckster from the get-go, a manipulator, his career about nothing but oiling and schmoozing the politics of whatever environment he's in be it religious and Southern Baptist or the State of Arkansas. Can't you people recognize a snake-oil salesman when you see one, or is that Mitt Romney? As for foreign policy, Huckabee knows from nothing and that is just one of the more important areas the President should be knowledgable about, not glittering lights, soft music and pretty words. The ad is reprehensible.

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

Joke — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:40:40 GMT

Posted By: Duhwayne (December 18, 2007 at 4:11 PM)

Please explain how the constitution is at stake 'DUHwayne'.. Just because a Presidential CANDIDATE spent HIS money on a televised Christmas Card to his fellow Americans, does not in any way threaten the Constitution. IF he had been President, and had spent money that did not belong to him (or his supporters), Taxpayer money, on something like fixing up churches or a 30 foot statue of a crucifix on the White House lawn then we would be in trouble. Did you send anyone a card for the holidays? Did you buy that card with your money? God bless Duhwayne, and Merry Christmas

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WhatsNotToLike? — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:40:42 GMT

Let's see, "I'm a Southern Baptist, and let me tell you a thing or two about Mike Huckabee. He's no Christian, he's not even a Baptist...." Oh, wait, that's not right. I'll try again...

"I'm a Republican from Arkansas, and Huckabee ruined our state - all the Republicans and most of the Democrats there hate him. We can't even figure out how he got elected..." Oops, that's not right either.

One more try - "I used to be a big Huckabee supporter until someone said something probably untrue and taken out of context, but it made huge headlines, so now I won't vote for him anymore."

Why don't all of you Thompson, Romney, Giuliani, and Paul supporters go take some Tylenol for that bad headache you obviously share? Posting ugly comments about candidates you do not support WILL NOT help your candidate win. I really don't understand any of you, but I do understand what motivates you----FEAR.

Here's the truth about me, and about Mike Huckabee. I'm a Christian - that means I love and follow Jesus Christ, and try to live a life that honors Him. I've been watching Mike Huckabee's campaign since August, and have been actively spreading the word about him since September. Mike's message, and his ability to communicate it, his refusal to go negative, his love for Christ, his genius for connecting with people, his life-loving, family-oriented positions on the important issues of our day, his support of our troops and of our national sovereignty - all these and many other reasons explain why I am doing all I can to nominate him. I've never been so energized about an election in my life.

The fact that so many others feel the same as I do explains why you are afraid.

Merry Christmas!

re: Ad Hawk: The Greatest Story Ever Told

DontRunFromTheTruth — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:02:41 GMT

Jesus would hardly agree with Huckabee. If a murderer or rapist claimed to accept Jesus, Huck would pardon them. Seems that the Holy Bible says something about this.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not ... in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

This is sickening. It appears that once again the Word helps us to get a clear view. It makes me sick that many of my fellow Christians turn a blind eye to the truth because Huck says he believes in the Lord. What is next the support of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if he claims to accept the Lord. It makes me sick that we vote for people based upon their claim of faith instead or their record. Those Priests, Bishops, Pastors, and Evangelicals that push votes based upon this mans claim should be ashamed to call themselves a Shepard.

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Joke — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:20:44 GMT

Posted By: DontRunFromTheTruth (December 18, 2007 at 11:02 PM)

"Jesus would hardly agree with Huckabee. If a murderer or rapist claimed to accept Jesus, Huck would pardon them. "

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Prove it! Please back up your accusations before slandering someone (if in fact you are). I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong, and denounce Huckabee, IF you can provide a CREDIBLE source for where you got this information.

Also, even though I really do respect his ad, if elections were tomorrow I wouldn't be voting for 'Huck'.