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Why the CBO's Estimates Shouldn't Count for Much

Newsweek

By Jeremy Herb

Democrats breathed a sigh of relief Wednesday after the Congressional Budget Office declared the Baucus health bill would reduce the deficit by $81 billion. But the $829 billion CBO estimate is unlikely to be accurate if the legislation is enacted. While the CBO puts together its most comprehensive prediction possible, it often gets it wrong with big health legislation. It's not a lack of expertise or bias that causes the predictions to miss the mark, says Stuart Altman, a Brandeis University economist: "The problem is what we're asking them to do is impossible." Health-care legislation is the toughest to score accurately, says Robert Reischauer, former CBO director, because unlike laws that change the tax code or budget new building projects, there are often no data to examine.

When President Obama declared that health reform should have a $900 price tag, the CBO's scoring became a decisive, make-or-break factor. Their first $1 trillion estimate of the House bill stymied plans to move forward with a public option, while the less ambitious Baucus bill will likely sail through committee with the CBO's blessing. "[Obama] has basically said that they're going to be the scorekeepers," says Dean Baker, of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "He's endowed them with a lot of power." Three reasons why we shouldn't put too much stock in the CBO's predictions:

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Built-in skepticism. One reason the CBO was created in the 1970s was that Congress was excellent at predicting huge savings and low costs from new ideas, but too often the savings never arrived and the costs skyrocketed. The CBO helped curb that practice, but critics say the organization's built-in skepticism has moved it too far in the other direction. Their model is "Show me the beef," says Reischauer, currently president of the Urban Institute. But that skepticism also makes it more difficult to pass large-scale legislation when the CBO doesn't give credit for generating savings. In 1994, the Clinton administration threw fits when the CBO scored its employer mandate as a tax. If today's system were in place back in the 1960s, says Harvard medical professor Robert Blendon, "nobody believes Medicare would have been passed."

The 10-year estimate. The CBO's estimates force legislators to find funding for their bills 10 years out. The problem here is twofold. First, the CBO is trying to predict economic realities in 2019 (did anyone have a clue of the 2008 economic crisis back in 1998?). "The ability [for economists] to project out two years is hard," says Altman. "Once you're out past two or three years, you're in never-never land." The CBO must also assume current laws will still exist, giving Congress a chance to game the system. In the Baucus bill, for example, the Medicare sustainable growth rate, which sets the rates doctors are paid by Medicare and is adjusted each year, will supposedly drop 25 percent in 2011. No one believes this will happen, but the CBO must score the bill as though it will.

No evidence. When legislation creates new kinds of health models, or even expands a local model to a national one, the CBO often has little or no evidence for its projections. With health legislation, as opposed to, say, building new bombers, the CBO must try to determine costs for both the system and how changes would affect human behavior. When Congress proposed a "doughnut hole" in Medicare benefits coverage, something no commercial policy had ever used, the CBO had to guess how the system would react. It overestimated the cost by about 35 percent, according to some estimates. In the current reform debate, there's disagreement between the CBO and the White House's Office of Management and Budget over how many billions can be saved by tweaking Medicare benefits, with the CBO coming in on the low end of the spectrum. Who's right? The safe bet is that no one knows.

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Posted By: Davole (October 9, 2009 at 6:32 PM)

gvillagran3 -

Here's a visual and mental acuity test for you - see if you can succeed in discovering 2 additional spelling mistakes (I didn't include these in my previous post to you) in this extracted short paragraph which you posted in your previous reply to me.

No cheating now - no help from all the democrats on and off your block!

Here's your specific second paragraph - "As for all your conditions to Democrats in order for Republicans to come arround to sign the plan... I just have to observations my friend."

If you can't identify both of them, what the heck, only finding one moves you to the head of the democrat class.

And calling me your friend doesn’t warrant any additional brownie points for you.

It’s a shame that democrats are programmed at birth to dysfunction in the real world!  


Posted By: Davole (October 9, 2009 at 6:07 PM)

gvillagran3 -

I sincerely express my condolences to you after observing your affliction with a rather severe case of democrat myopia - the debilitating mental state whereby the handicapped individual is pathetically unable to discern fact and truth, and to consider and accept those realities.

You stated that I “did not put ONE SINGLE solution to the problem of fixing health care program!” Obviously you delight in playing those Bill Clinton and Barack Obama word games - Yes, I did not offer MERELY one solution to the problem of fixing health care, I suggested 12!                      Here, let me summarize them for you:  

1. Introduce one plan for discussion, revision, and approval in the House, and then pass the same bill to the Senate for discussion, revision, and approval.                                                                  2. Release a printed version of the proposal with adequate time allowance for the public and the politicians to review it.                                                                                                                     3. Require all politicians to actually read the complete proposal prior to the vote.                          4. Write the proposal in plain English - eliminate all obfuscating lawyer legalese.                            5. Submit the proposal to the CBO, and await its cost analysis report.                                               6. Ensure that Barack Obama honours his promise to go through the proposal, line by line, to explain and discuss it.                                                                                                                     7. Ask Barack Obama to explain why he intends to rush the proposal to a vote, and then sit on it until 2013. If it is so important, why not implement it immediately after approval?                          8. Institute severe penalties if democrats have lied by their assurances regarding the bill being revenue neutral, no funding for abortions, no compulsion for doctors to participate in abortions, enabling patients to keep their doctors and medical policies as long as they care to, no establishing death panels, and no denying healthcare services to the elderly.                                9. Implement medical practice reform.                                            

10. Enable purchasing medical plans across state lines, and also personal portability of medical plans.                                                                                                                                                 11. Option to register opposition - VOTE NO.                                                                                   12. Rewrite the proposal with complete bipartisan input and cooperation.

It is probably beyond your grossly limited ability to comprehend why I proposed those conditions that all democrat politicians resign if and when their blatant lies regarding their Government Power Grab Scheme are exposed. If they are lying, they should be dying (in the political realm).

Since the Republicans are not attempting to deceive the public and other politicians by ramming down their throats that fraudulent scheme, obviously there is no rational (emphasis - rational) reason for them to resign because they oppose. Do you understand that difference? Oh, I forgot that you are a democrat, and that truth and facts definitely confuse and frustrate you.

In your denial of reality existence, you actually seem to be convinced that Barack Obama can extend medical coverage to an additional 40 million patients, and still manage to reduce the cost to the taxpayers below current levels. What were the projected costs to implement any major government new social programs, such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and what were the actual costs at time of implementation? Have those costs mushroomed dramatically since those programs were introduced? I wouldn’t be surprised that a team of white coat clad paramedics would soon be coming with a straightjacket to take you away to a retirement home in the suburbs.                                                                                                                                                

Maybe it might be worthwhile during your residence at that mental rehabilitation institution for you to pursue an education, and thereby actually learn how to correctly spell your fantasy words (“Repulicans, enjoing, benefts, helaht, agaist, and WInger) which you have used to convey your inhibited level of education. But don’t worry too much - the inability to pay attention to detail is rampant throughout the obamabo(ugh)t throng.

But to your credit, it sure appears as though you have somehow managed to tune in to Fox News and a few conservative talk radio programs. That accomplishment might facilitate your salvation!

By the way - Republicans, being the naturally generous individuals that they are, will gladly be willing to teach democrats how to fly kites after the 2010 and 2012 elections.


Posted By: gvillagran3 (October 9, 2009 at 12:18 PM)

Davole.

In all your long rant.... You did not put ONE SINGLE solution to the problem of fixing health care program !!!!

As for all your conditions to Democrats in order for Republicans to come arround to sign the plan... I just have to observations my friend.

1) Republicans can go fly a kite for all we care.  As the old saying goes... Republicans? We don't need no stinking Republicans. We'll see you on election day when the bill has passed , and Americans are the beneficiaries of universal health care.... And the Repulicans were AWOL at the signing ceremony.

2) Since you have all these conditions for Democrats , let me propose a few of  my conditions to Republicans, is only fair don't you think... And kind of make a deal out of it ?

A) If the bill passes, and health care sky rocketing costs start to go down.. Every Republican that voted against it should resign.

B) If the bill passes , and Americans start enjoing the benefts of having helaht care insurance even if they are unemployed, or with a pre-existing condition.... Every Republican that voted agaist the plan should resign.

C) If the bill passes and not one single elderly person is killed by a death panel, or have their Medicare cut, or a rise in taxes, or trown to jail, or illegal aliens included, and abortions included in the insurance, etc, etc, etc..... Every IDIOT Right WInger,  talk hosts show on Fox, radio hosts, and GOP politicians  Should come out and make a public apology, resign, and in the case of Fox admit that they are nothing but a GOP echo machine that dedicates their shows to promote scare B.S. tactics.

D) If as planed,  the bill reduces our deficits every single politician in  the Republican party should declare that they have no idea how to reduce any deficits , never have done it, and never will.... Then promise to make Sarah Palin run for President, and have Rush Limbaugh as her choice for VP. .... Let's settle once and for all how "popular" the Right Wing truly is in America shall we?

So what do you say? ......  If the Democrats do all the things you proposed , then the Republicans will do all the things I proposed ....... Do we have a deal?