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Posted Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:17 PM

In Round One of the Census Battle, Vitter and Bennett Lose

Arian Campo-Flores

Here's an update to an entry I posted last week. As I noted then, the 2010 census has sparked a battle over whether undocumented immigrants should be part of the count and thus included in state tallies used to reapportion Congressional seats, as has been the case in past cycles. The opening round of that fight was a proposed amendment sponsored by Republican Sens. David Vitter and Robert Bennett that would have added a question to the census survey asking whether the respondent is a citizen or not. The aim was to later strip out non-citizens when it came time for reapportionment.

Well, the senators lost that round. Earlier today, the amendment was blocked when the Senate voted 60-39 to end debate on an appropriations bill. But don't expect the issue to go away anytime soon. A Vitter spokesman, Joel DiGrado, says the senator will try to find other legislative vehicles for the amendment and will continue to press the matter. He's "not going to just stop talking about the issue," says DiGrado.

Those opposed to including illegal immigrants in the census count are studying other options. One possibility would be to craft some alternative legislative challenge in Congress, says Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates reduced immigration. Legal action is a possibility, too, though a FAIR lawsuit in 1980 over this issue was thrown out for lack of standing.

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The pro-immigrant forces think these tactics will fail. Senate Democrats have just shown they've got the votes to turn back future attempts to include a similar amendment. And in the House, the math just doesn't favor a measure like that, argues Andres Ramirez of the New Democrat Network. The undocumented are concentrated in the biggest states with the largest number of representatives, who won't exactly be keen on shrinking their ranks. Plus, says Ramirez, imagine if California were forced to subtract its population of illegal immigrants and lost five seats. When it came time for the Democrat-controlled state legislature there to redraw Congressional districts, guess which party would come up short? Same goes for other big Democrat-controlled states like New York and Illinois.

Still, Ramirez has no doubt that Vitter & Co. will keep the illegal-immigrant issue alive. "What they're trying to do is win in the court of public opinion," he says. "They want to get people riled up about it." That worries him and his allies, because the more controversy there is surrounding the census, the tougher it'll be to get comprehensive immigration reform passed next year.

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Posted By: MekhongKurt (November 8, 2009 at 5:23 AM)

On the one hand, I support some way of allowing illegal aliens a path towards permanent residency and, if he so wishes, citizenship. That a contentious proposal, I know, and the details are murderous.

On the other hand, I don't believe they should be counted for redistricting purposes (a.k.a. "gerrymandering"), just as I don't believe state a federal inmates, at least those in prison for felonies, should be counted (though those on misdemeanor convictions might be more problematic).

I don't mean simply to *ignore* illegal aliens; they're not going to go away if we do that. But why should any state benefit by getting extra seats in the House based on illegals -- who can't vote anyway? Conversely, why should a state with precious few such illegals be, in effect, penalized for that demographic fact?

I'm from one of the southern border states, and I'm quite sure many of my fellow citizens there want to include illegal aliens in the census count. And some subseet of those will hold conflicting stands: count the illegals -- but afford them no protections. This is akin to the battle cry of some to build our own "Berlin Wall" from the Gulf of Mexico right to the Pacific, then round up and deport illegals -- except MINE.

This article touches on who draws new district lines -- politicians. I've felt for decades independent experts ought to draw those lines, preferably experts with no or little political bias, or at least an ability to leave aside any prejudices they may have as they contemplate new district boundaries. To leave the people considerable control, perhaps each state's panel of experts would draw up two or three proposals and submit those to the voters.

Of course, the political class would fight that idea tooth and nail, no doubt. And I do mean all of them, not just a particular party's.


Posted By: apoc79 (November 7, 2009 at 1:20 PM)

read what it said

past cycles  so in 1980 1990 2000  we counted  illegals

wouldnt  be right just to take them out now buy  asking  people  are u illegal on a  form

they would answer the door and would be  afraid  of  sherriff joes  coming to get them

it would be a  shitstorm and wouldnt  be a  good  thing

illigals are  a problem  but i needs to be done with a bill not  with the census

teaparty= racists!!  JOIN AT YOUR PERIL


Posted By: Brittanicus (November 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM)

WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF CONTRADICTION  ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE STOPPED. Very few politicians have tried to halt the occupancy by foreign invaders to our country? This is why the E-Verify mechanism was never mandated, owing to the fact that Americans are last to be a priority, specially the 15.3 million jobless workers. Already Hispanic Caucuses have confronted President Obama at the White House, with the chair of the House Rules Committee indicating they are giving the Caucuses what they have adamantly demanded. Rep. Louise Slaughter D-N.Y indicated that the House will have to vote on a bill that allows illegal aliens to use the new health care "exchange". A loophole that does not require verification to keep illegal aliens out of the other parts of the proposed new federal health care system.  Please call all  House-Senate Members and urge them to vote against the rule that provides a weak verification mechanism that still allows illegal aliens to purchase insurance from the health care exchange. WE MUST JAM THE SWITCHBOARDS IN WASHINGTON, PUSHING OUR OWN DEMANDS at 202-224-3121 that bars illegal aliens from the health care insurance "exchange" YOUR VOICE IS MAKING AN IMMENSE DIFFERENCE TO HOW THE POLITICIANS VOTE? WARN THEM OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING PUBLIC OPINION.

Other pieces of information contributing to the dilemma of US legal population: Senate Census allows to Count Illegal Aliens for Congressional Districting . CBO Says New Health Care Bill Would Cover 2.5 Million More Illegal Aliens.  Sen. Reid Kills E-Verify Amendment to Unemployment extension Bill.  Pro-Enforcement Candidates win in Virginia and New Jersey.   68% of Americans Oppose Sanctuary Cities

You can learn about the corruption and incompetence of lawmakers at NUMBERSUSA.  Court cases, political sleaze and immigration non-enforcement at JUDICIAL WATCH. How population growth will effect future generations at CAPSWEB. NO BLANKET AMNESTY!

E-Verify is one of the most effective, simple immigration enforcement identifiers, along with the 287 (g) police apprehension applications to deter any illegal foreign national from stealing the 15.3 million American jobs. The usual proponents are out to eliminate these powerful programs, because enforcement of immigration laws that have always been imposed-- ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK EFFICIENTLY? HOWEVER I WILL KEEP ON REMINDING  VOTERS, TO COMMAND A  PERMANENT E-VERIFY SYSTEM FROM THEIR LAWMAKERS.  E-Verify on the other hand, has proved its worthiness which the treasonous lawmakers never expected to catch-on with any credibility.

Now they are trapped with E-Verify because the American citizenry are fully perceptive of its use. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be on our guard, with pro-illegal immigrant legislators such as Nevada's Sen. Reid, California's Speaker Pelosi. Do not believe them when they say that they approve of E-Verify. They are lying through their teeth. Sen. Reid now must pay the “piper" because his accreditation amongst his constituency is at an all time low? He is apt to be canned in 2010, when he comes up for a vote amongst his state voters. Not just him as many more should be booted out. Read all their immigration enforcement grading at NUMBERSUSA. Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano has already shown her true colors, by informing us we need a balanced policy where ICE raids are concerned? That’s why ICE confrontations have more or less fizzled out, contrary to what anybody says.

Another piece of rhetoric that White House issued a new report claiming that the Stimulus Bill earlier this year has created or saved approximately 650,000 U.S. jobs?  Yet they forgot to inform everybody that the government has imported more than a million working-age foreign nationals this year that nullified every positive impact the stimulus could have had for U.S unemployed workers.