Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

re: Cash for Clunker's Impact on Economy and Environment is Negligible

MichaelX — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:00:48 GMT

Okay,,,we, the people, have to let go of the precious little cash we have been able to keep from a government bent on taking it all away? So we can support companies that made bad choices, and foist yet more ineffectual products on us? Who's kidding who? give the money to the people!

It IS ours! This whole "rebate" scam is reprehensible, and smacks of cronyism, and the never ending quest of "Damnacrats" to fleece the public. We just gave these companies billions, and now are asked to put out for another round of "bonuses" for what? Good work? Hah!

When does this Oboyama-go-round stop? 1} When there are only the "rich", and the "poor".

2} When America becomes an international conglomerate of racial based majority carving out their own space. 3} Revolution! 4} More revolution!

The government does not need to give money to companies that want to accelerate the uses of alternative power sources. Those companies need to do it themselves, with their own money.

That's what "business" is. Not getting handouts and subsidies.

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

thehappyamerican — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:29:07 GMT

failure and flop, this program will be a Great Success in the DNC's language in a few years. The idea is to aclimate Americans to the government giving you money for YOUR THINGS!

This time you must come out ahead, but next will be government money to you for your home--and you get to live in it! Your buisness--and you get to work there!

You see?

The Government money for YOUR THINGS will seem like a great deal aagin---as you sign over ownershiop of your things for cash!

You get to retain your things and get cash and it all seems great until the government --the real owner now-- sends it's agent to look after the government property that WAS yours.

And the Agent will be the New Communist manor gal! Who won't know anything about the business you now work at--but was yours before! But the or she will have a great mental catalog of marxist theory to spew, as to why you and the other people working have to do the stupid things The New Communist directs---having to do with you go to jail if you don't go along!

AHHH!

You will be convinced!

For now, they won't call it the New Communist consolidation phase because they know Americans are not comfortable with these terms!

So--- they are using terms americans are familiar with, to fool you!

FREE ENTERPRIZE WORKS! This clunkers program is a clunker it's self!

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

marthab — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:01:50 GMT

Totally disagree. The dealers were very strict in requiring a 10 gallon difference in mileage when we went to look. That's 200,000 cars using about 80 million LESS gallons of gas a year. Since a gallon of gas generates about 20 lbs of carbon, that's 1.6 billion lbs LESS of carbon in the air. The old cars are all being sent for scrap recycling. PS hasn't there been a pretty big tax credit for buying a hybrid car for several years? What's different about this?

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

TaylorShinn — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:54:48 GMT

What about this idea? - How about we don't spend those billions on vehicles and instead - switch the heavy-polluting coal (82% of total power emissions) power generation over to natural gas ( a clean, abundant, American fuel) by utilizing the already available natural gas generation capacity in US power plants TODAY. Then, since we won't be spending billions on negligible auto clunkers that equate to one hour/year of carbon savings and will be shutting down polluting coal "clunkers" that belch CO2 - we can spend those billions on our health care and also have clean, domestic energy. Natural gas reserves are growing in the US at tremendous levels - abundance is now a known fact; just read the newspapers and the scientific studies that are out there. We can save billions, fund health care, and clean our air right now. But that would be too easy right? IT WILL WORK AND NEEDS TO HAPPEN.....

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

NewsWkDickG — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:35:43 GMT

There is only one way to stop abuses when you can’t shut down the environment that provides the opportunity and that is to eliminate the incentive, the profit. You want to stop massive illegal immigration and can’t affect the reward for them to stay home, then make the risk for the employers bigger than their opportunity for profit. You want to stop the political corruption that allows Special Interests to control the policies of Parties and ultimately of the country, then take the money out of politics. You want to stop industries and companies from taking advantage of the public, then, like is done with anti-trust laws were the majority is protected from unfair control gained by a few, limit their power. You want to stop the financial/other industry’s run-away greed, gross dishonesty and excessive self-indulgence that victimize the public, then count all of their personal gain as income and have a graduated tax that takes all of the unconscionable excess. You want to stop ……. whatever, then have the conviction, the unselfish conscience, the honesty, the objectivity and the rational intelligence to do whatever is necessary to cut off the incentive, without accepting any rationalizing. Easy? Of course not, it first takes deciding what you really want, then recognizing and accepting what it costs …. and then resisting all of the pressures, subterfuge and attempts to offer false solutions that appease some but solve nothing. One other thought, it should be seen that with most of these things there really already is a very substantial cost to the majority, far in excess of what would be the cost to the few, yet the few will cry hard and loud and offer convincing rationalizations.

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

gregcovert — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:57:28 GMT

Marthab- One BIG difference- it's our money! How many cars is the government going to make me buy this year? Enough already!

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

ok4u — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:42:49 GMT

I still can't figure out why I should pay anyone else anything to help them buy a new auto. Something I've never been ablle to afford for myself. Of course this phony and temporary "boost" is popular with those who get "free" money. It's a rare person who, upon being offered money, would say "no thanks, it's not good for my country to take what I have not earned." As for the fuel savings, it is over-rated. What is the size of the carbon footprint made in the production of unnecessary automobiles, which in most cases won't be replacing "clunkers" at all? These will mostly be operating vehicles which are bribed into destruction, not recycled into used car sales.

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

ok4u — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:42:49 GMT

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

GardenStateGirl — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:23:01 GMT

OK ... the consumer racing into the car dealer to get a new vehicle is:

1. borrowing money again, that they may not be able to pay back, usually at a high (usury) interest rate..(wait a little while to see where that is going to go...

2. Destroying a good running vehicle (dealers are required to pour acid down the engines of the trade in's. They are NOT ALLOWED to sell them to auto auctioneers) that could have been recycled into a purchase for a college student or young family starting out.(How many of us remember "finding that ideal car" when we had only a little cash and not much credit?) Say goodbuy to that oppertunity.

3.Not focusing on made in the USA. Where are GM 's new sleeker Hybrids? I must have missed it in all the foreign auto manufacturers products.

That's all...

I can't help but think this is not good.

re: Cash for Clunkers' Impact on Economy and Environment Is Negligible

MJ000777 — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:55:29 GMT

There are just too many things wrong with this that I have to comment:

1. People knew this plan was coming, so many held off purchasing a new car for a few months. So we the taxpayers end up subsidizing people, some who would have bought a vehicle anyway without the $4,500.

2. Chrysler was planning on giving rebates, but pulled back when the Govt stepped in.

3. As GSG said, destroying many perfectly good used vehicles that could have been purchased by young people/families.

~ As an alternative, they could have taken the decent vehicles and done a "Swap for Crap" - okay it so it doesn't rhyme. But they could have somehow sold (or given away) these vehicles to needy people in exchange for real clunkers - you know the kind that is smoking more than the Marlboro man as it motors down the highway. That way we would get rid of cars that are actually emitting pollution.

President Obama and Democrats, the economy is sinking and you will be judged in 2010 and 2012 for your incompetance - Good Luck with that. Most people aren't buying the "It's Bush's fault" rhetoric.

"It's the Economy Stupid"