Hogwash. The US WAS NOT founded on Christianty. Benjamin Franklin was an atheist, Washington was a deist, Jefferson waffled between agnostic and deist...I could go on if you'd like, but I doubt you will because it would crush your belief in the US being a Christian founded country. Get your facts straight, do a little research, learn about the men. Yes, I'm an atheist, please, take your religion and leave me and my children alone, we don't need your hate or your lies.

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You are right, many of the founding fathers were deists, but many had there roots in Christianity. Sorry to have made such a sweeping statement, I was wrong. I do not take the Bible as creed. However, I do believe there must be a Creator behind all things, a Force that drew up the plans, so to speak. It just makes logical sense to me, and yes, I pray to that Creator. Boooooo!!!! Scarey!!!!!! Halloween stuff to Atheists, right?

You are entitled to your beliefs as am I and the hard core Christians. I just hate it when people make a big deal about things that relate to God. Like the types that complain about Jesus statues, etc., at Christmas time. It's just a tradition, an expression of faith for some and just habit for others...harmless. Or the Ten Commandments being in a courthouse....... much ado about nothing. Basic Christian values are good....forgiveness, good will toward men.....I admit, mania about going to Hell is a bit much......so what's the big deal?

But most of all I find it especially interesting that the Atheists just can't stand the possibility that there may be a God. Usually try to take an intellectual stance and say that Christians are not as "intellectual." You are all so smart, huh?

The reality is that none of us know.....and if there is a God.........He is the same God that made you and me. He is certainly not threatened by your atheist rant. God to you is like a wooden stake to a Vampire....too funny. There are all kinds of beliefs, from Atheist to Catholic and everything in between. Relax, He even loves atheists!!! LOL!!

My religion is Sunday, and my god sits in a La-Z-Boy recliner drinking beers, watching football, and watching the kiddies play on the floor by his feet.

Faraday, Newton and Galilleo to name a few "big name" briilliant minds believed in God......does that give you pause? Probably not.....you are at your best being annoying and missing the entire point of others' words....such is the mindset you portray in your every comment.

I do not advocate anything........I simply have stated that I believe there is a Creator behind everything......and that such belief is a logical conclusion to what we cannot comprehend, matter having no beginning and no end. As humans, we aren't programmed to understand that.......so to me that is evidence of a Superior Being, a Creator that is eons further ahead of us in all ways. Kind of like we are to the ant, except on a much more grand scale. Comprendre vous, mon ami? Pssst.....that translates to "Do you understand, my friend?" in French.

Furthermore, this thread is about those that have had life after death experiences. So instead of continually twisting the words of others about the existence of God, perhaps you can enlighten us on that topic. Someone here had such an experience......and so did I......also had out of body experiences - that's when your spirit leaves your body. Ever have that happen to you, sport?

If you did, then maybe you would make more intelligent comments backed by some insights that you might have gained from those experiences. I know them to be real......and I also am quite convinced there is a God. Has to do with being in touch with your Spirituality, not religion. Now you have a nice day.

I agree with youir statement storm, it just sounded like you wished to discard asa whole the Biblical Revelation in any argument for God. I of course respect your relationship with Him/Her. It seems you are quite atteached to Creation. I'd invite to read some Gnostic conclusions and tell me what you think about their views on Creation. I'm curious.

And the essence of Satan is everything un-Godly. I am not comparing you to the devil, so don't take it that way. Your argument just seems like your putting yourself in that category of pure eseense. All organism on this planet change, we all die in some way; your argument sounds as if your the only one incapable of change; you do not die in some way. That is hard to believe. Qui non proficit, defecit. He who does not move forward moves backward.

I don't deny typical Christianty, the Bible or anything else....I just don't know if they are true. So I believe what I feel strongly to be true until I have reason to believe otherwise. Not really interested in what Gnostics believed. I think we all need to make up our own minds about the case for God. It's that simple.

Storm, Life is short and the truth that goes with it on an individual basis is rarely remembered by anyone else. I don't want to be immortal, but I'm here to look for the Truth. I do trust others before I trust myself, considering authors were closer in time to the actual events than I am now. Whta use is my experience thousnads of years later. Unless the world is ending today, my importance and possible credibility is zero. As for finding our own ways, that is about as effective as a dog chasing it's own tail. If it gave a conscious effort to realize others have tried and failed, it might learn something about itself, but since it naturally doesn't, it's doomed to fail. I'm intersted in Truth, not my own Truth. I'm interested in what workd for everybody, not in what works for me, the Universal and Absolute. I mean no offense with my words simply my opinions on futility. Before you go try letting other pups know how successful was your tail-chasing, that way they don't fall into the same futility.

You agree with abolishing religion in the US? That would mean changing the Constitution and insighting a civil war most likely. With other countries it would be even more horrific possibly. Religion would go underground and become more enthusiastic than ever. I don't think it is conceivably possible to abolish religion.

I'm sorry, I write too quick sometimes. No, I DON'T agree with abolishing religion in the US. And you are right, it isn't possible as the vidence I gace earlier in the message that I sent but mistakenly wrote "do."

I will read this but what I have found through reading some of the authors mentioned is that they tend to point to the genome as God's signature. Well here is what I think for what it???s worth. If there were a 'supreme being" or intelligence it would not go through the trouble of coding DNA at the chemical level. For efficiency's sake it would be done at the atomic or subatomic level. dna between mammals and man is in many cases 99% the same.

I tend to believe the current theory that chemical metabolism is the precursor of sustainable and replicateable life. I also believe that man's morality was learned through the benefits of cooperation with family and tribes. I find it hard to stomach that a female dog's rabid protection of her pup is some sort of moral behavior. It???s instinctive and part of natural selection.

I believe this recent backlash of "theistic science" is an intellectual spasm. Like pulling a child's safety blanket from him. They don???t want to let go but it???s all part of growing up. Sure it???s nice to think that a third party will intervene in your life when things go wrong but is it rational? No. But it sure is attractive. and let???s face it. No one has done a better job at marketing than Christians and Muslims How else do we explain the mass delusion that a charlatan in a three piece suit has personal conversations with God. And better yet that both God???s ghost wrote best sellers!

What happens to consciousness when we die? Seems to me it???s likely what happens to everything else when it loses its ability to maintain its cellular structure. It deteriorates and breaks down into its most common chemical and elemental form and becomes part of something else. A sort of reincarnation but detached from its prior whole. Consciousness is something we don???t have a good grasp of. I think its study is worthwhile. But let???s approach it from the rational. Wasn???t all that long ago we thought the world was flat and God made woman from a rib or the sun revolved around the earth.
When science exposes religion for the mythology that it is, religion always retreats to a new position and evolves. Ironic isn???t it! First god created the world. Wait what about the Big bang. Well that???s how God did it! Eureka!

I think i know what you are trying to say. That science will make things straight eventually. Books like these will instill ideas of faith and deity because they bring to light a lot of the unexplainable. Like ghosts, spirits etc.

cats, Bugsy is refering to the Jim Jones cult, originated in Calif. back in the 70s, and about a thousand died from being forced to drink poisoned kool aid; Jones was a demented man, who fancied himself to be a minister, and convinced a lot of oeople to follow his teachings; the federal agents were after him, so he committed suicide, and took a lot of followers with him. Its a long story.

The God question is one that has been debated for centuries; if you read the Bible scriptures, it seems the ancients accepted that God exsisted as a natural part of their life. It has been only in the past several years that some people have begun to question the existence of a supreme being, because we have become so jaded by our ability to invent and use many modern machines, and the computer age excellorated our questioning; we began to feel we were the ultimate and didn't need God. Big mistake. What we have failed to realize is that God is the one who gave us these abilities to invent. He is the one who does the creating, we are the created, so for us to say we can do everything ourselves, would be like a painting telling the artist it didn't need him because, just look at how beautiful I am, and I can do it myself, so don't need you. If anyone can do it all themselves, and don't need God's help, then may I watch while they create a universe in six days, including humans to inhabit it? Theres a joke that goes: A scientist told God, "We don't need you anymore, we have become so smart, we can create life ourself," God replied, "Is that a fact? O.K. Show me." The scientist began to gather dirt to create a human, when God interupted him and said, "No, No, No---Get your own dirt!"