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  •  08-15-2009, 10:46 AM 1104057

    We Are All Hindus Now

    America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian (still, that’s the lowest percentage in American history). Of course, we are not a Hindu—or Muslim, or Jewish, or Wiccan—nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each other, and eternity.The Rig Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says this: “Truth is One, but the sages speak of it by many names.” A Hindu believes there are many paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur’an is another, yoga practice is a third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this. They learn in Sunday school that their religion is true, and others are false. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.”Americans are no longer buying it. According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, 65 percent of us believe that “many religions can lead to eternal life”—including 37 percent of white evangelicals, the group most likely to believe that salvation is theirs alone. Also, the number of people who seek spiritual truth outside church is growing. Thirty percent of Americans call themselves “spiritual, not religious,” according to a 2009 NEWSWEEK Poll, up from 24 percent in 2005. Stephen Prothero, religion professor at Boston University, has long framed the American propensity for “the divine-deli-cafeteria religion” as “very much in the spirit of Hinduism. You’re not picking and choosing from different religions, because they’re all the same,” he says. “It isn’t about orthodoxy. It’s about whatever works. If going to yoga works, great—and if going to Catholic mass works, great. And if going to Catholic mass plus the yoga plus the Buddhist retreat works, that’s great, too.”Then there’s the question of what happens when you die. Christians traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they comprise the “self,” and that at the end of time they will be reunited in the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the spirit—where identity resides—escapes. In reincarnation, central to Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies. So here is another way in which Americans are becoming more Hindu: 24 percent of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, according to a 2008 Harris poll. So agnostic are we about the ultimate fates of our bodies that we’re burning them—like Hindus—after death. More than a third of Americans now choose cremation, according to the Cremation Association of North America, up from 6 percent in 1975. “I do think the more spiritual role of religion tends to deemphasize some of the more starkly literal interpretations of the Resurrection,” agrees Diana Eck, professor of comparative religion at Harvard. So let us all say “om.”
  •  08-16-2009, 10:19 AM 1104744 in reply to 1104057

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    Om. Interesting article.

    There is a way not to leave good science out of this too. Science and religion can work together in the struggle of the human species to survive as a species. Frankly, we need all the help we can muster.

    http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/06/ecocosmology.html
  •  08-16-2009, 10:48 AM 1104761 in reply to 1104057

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    Well, are we finally growing out of those exclusive precepts? The ones which say that only those of a certain state of mind will go to heaven, or, only those of a certain religious pursuit are chosen by God and no others, or the really big fat one where God picked a certain piece of real estate and said that title goes to only a small group of his very special people. Promise. Religion seems to get into trouble when it tries to deny large classes of people from any benefit at all, save a small and miserable trod on the earth with nothing but fire and hell forever after. Thank you, Hindus, for giving everybody a chance to figure things out for the long haul. That's what I call democracy. Think I'll check some of those Hindu books out of the library and see what's up. You never know.
  •  08-16-2009, 11:29 AM 1104770 in reply to 1104057

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    You don't have to go to the East to get a new slant on religion. Unitarians have long believed that the concept of the Trinity is a false one, and Universalists (ala Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thoreau, Louisa May Alcott, Clara Barton, et al) believe that everyone is saved.

    Unitarian-Universalist. Unitarian means Holy One-ness, Universalist means all are saved. uua.org.

    A little closer than India.
  •  08-16-2009, 11:34 AM 1104773 in reply to 1104057

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    It would be more accurate to say, we are all (including Hindus) becoming pandeists. We are certainly moving in the direction of pandeism on a number of fronts, including not only the social, but the moral, the scientific, even the sexual.
  •  08-16-2009, 11:41 AM 1104775 in reply to 1104057

    We Are All Hindus Now

    In the dogmas and rituals , the Hindu way of life (IMHO it is not a religion) lost its real core . It is coming back in its full glory thanks to the open mind that the most of us have in this day and age . At its very core it is very scientific , all its practices & beliefs have a solid foundation . I shall give two examples

    1. Chant ' OM ' loudly for just 10 min. You WILL feel relaxed and lose tension
    2. Holy Basil (Tulasi) is revered in the Hindu's . One of the many things it can do is . prevent and cure viral fever (H1N1 included )

    Hari OM TAT SAT
  •  08-16-2009, 1:20 PM 1104822 in reply to 1104057

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    Nice article. Two bad errors about Christian thought; although it does not change the point of the article, that USA is becoming more pan-deists. 1. "salvation is theirs alone." -- Not correct. Christians emphatically do not believe that salvation is "theirs" to horde or give out. They believe the salvation is from God only, and does not depend on what church you are a member of. Any group that believes that salvation is theirs alone is, by definition, not Christian, since they believe that salvation comes from them, not Christ. 2. Christians who care to read scripture will easily see that in eternity we will get a **NEW** body. The old one will have died and rotted away -- everyone knows that. The older I get, the more comforting this truth is: why would I want this old thing for eternity? (Traditional Christian reluctance to cremation is not really understandable. Your body is going to turn to dirt anyway! ) After all, heaven would not be heaven without common sense. But the article does not mention that the ascent of Islam in Western Europe and in USA will make an article like this am amusing, false, curiosity in about 50 years. And we know how tolerant the Muslims are of folk who disagree with them, or with their obviously contrived set of self-serving precepts aimed at temporal power only. It reminds me very much of medieval Christianity -- totally consumed of its own power, and totally as well departed from its spiritual origins or objectives, if Mohammed ever had any. Medieval Christianity had to undergo massive, often violent revolution within its ranks to get it aimed back in the right direction. And the same battle is "fought" daily -- is truth to be found in outward conformance or in inward conviction and goodness?
  •  08-16-2009, 3:43 PM 1104886 in reply to 1104057

    We Are All Hindus Now

    Jesus said"I am the way,the truth, and the life: No man cometh unto the Father, but by me."This is God's way.Not man's.No other way can get you to heaven,or with God.St. John 14:6.King James Bible (traditional red letter,not revised)Being good only won't get you to heaven.Only through the salvation of Jesus Christ can you have life eternal.The old body is ressurected to join the soul.Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.God will take the dust-as he formed Adam and make that new body.
  •  08-16-2009, 6:42 PM 1104969 in reply to 1104057

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    I bought this shaver at the Occam Razor company, and careful not to cut myself, I think that "cremation is cheaper than a regular funeral" and "wages in the US have been falling behind inflation for decades", hence this explains the increase in the use of cremation. Does not mean we became more Hindui like. Does not matter what I or you believe, cremation is cheaper.

    If it is against your religion to use cremation, then you will pay the price and go for the more expensive funeral of the dead body.. Overall, to me the necessity of preserving a dead body is some pharaoh's idea, thus not specifically christian, and so if you believe that God can do anything, then you don't need to worry about such things. For many though, religion is there to provide a measure of certainty about things where there actually is not any certainty available on a scientific or common sense level.

    To me the difference between belief and knowledge is that knowledge provides certainty, and belief, to me, doesn't.
    That so many people are able to garner a "knowledge-like" certainty out of mere belief is amazing. How is that possible,
    I ask myself, and, unless some sort of miracle happens, I will not be able to figure this mystery out in my lifetime.

  •  08-16-2009, 8:40 PM 1104994 in reply to 1104057

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    Indeed very few people really understand what Christ said. If you really want to know what Christianity is, read "Sermon on the Mount According to Vedanta" by Swami Prabhavananda
    http://www.amazon.com/Sermon-Mount-According-Vedanta-Prabhavananda/dp/0874810507
  •  08-16-2009, 9:01 PM 1104999 in reply to 1104822

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    You seem to have missed meeting with a lot of hard shell Baptists, and hundreds of off brand christian set ups who have you on the list to go to hell because you are not of their cloth. Not to mention some eastern religions who have a tendency to call you a heathen and likely not to get your share of virgins in the hereafter. None of them ever get aimed in the right direction. They just aim willy nilly at anything that moves.
  •  08-16-2009, 11:26 PM 1105062 in reply to 1104057

    We Are All Hindus Now

    The problem with standard reincarnation is that it doesn't explain population growth. You would have to believe that some of these selves are coming from somewhere else.

    D J Wray
    http://www.atotalawareness.com
  •  08-16-2009, 11:26 PM 1105063 in reply to 1104057

    We Are All Hindus Now

    The problem with standard reincarnation is that it doesn't explain population growth. You would have to believe that some of these selves are coming from somewhere else.

    D J Wray
    http://www.atotalawareness.com
  •  08-17-2009, 1:20 AM 1105113 in reply to 1104057

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    Thank heavens, a modicum of sanity seems to be dawning in your part of the world.

    Despite what the yahoos will say, the Hindu way of life offers a tolerant, multi-dimensional perspective that no other "organised" faith does. This is the only religion that will welcome (not just tolerate) an atheist like me. I dread to think what my fate would be under some other dispensations. I would most certainly be deprived of vital sections of my anatomy.

    An interesting nugget of information : the Unitarian Church, indeed, does not propagate the usual mumbo jumbo touted by the mainstream Christian sects (Catholic or Protestant). Unitarians susbcribe to the Upanishadic concept of an all-pervasive, omnipotent Brahma. A visit to any Unitarian place of worship is an eye-opener.

  •  08-17-2009, 2:20 AM 1105124 in reply to 1104057

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    Nice article , showing some distinct progress on global integration of ideas !
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