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The Great American Ideological Crackup

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  •  10-24-2009, 10:49 AM 1167930

    The Great American Ideological Crackup

    Shortly after the 2004 presidential election, i was chatting with a senior figure in the Democratic Party when, inevitably, the talk turned to why John Kerry had lost. My interlocutor's theory of the case: the voters did not know the truth about George W. Bush. Why didn't they know the truth? I asked. The reply: because of Roger Ailes.On hearing that a particularly dopey man we both knew had gone to rehab for drinking, a friend of mine once sent me an e-mail that said: "You know, that's an awful lot to blame on alcohol." To adapt the image, the 2004 victory is an awful lot to credit Ailes with. The head of Rupert Murdoch's Fox News Channel, Ailes (whom I know) is a talented and influential man. He rose from The Mike Douglas Show to become a maker of presidents, from Nixon to Bush 41, and his channel is a big player in our politics. But if he and Fox News were as omnipotent as Democrats fear, John McCain and Sarah Palin would be in the White House.Still, to many liberals, Murdoch and Ailes are the scary Wild Things of the last decade or so in American politics, the men on whom many of the evils of the world can be blamed. For these progressive true believers, the White House's recent attack on the channel as a partisan machine is a welcome signal of a feisty, fighting Obama administration.Liberals should savor the moment, because the Ailes bashing may be about all they get. As Anna Quindlen notes in our cover this week, the left is frustrated with Obama, believing him too quick to compromise on progressive principles and too open to staying the course on George W. Bush's policies, particularly on national security. A year after Obama stood in Grant Park, a figure of history, he has not brought about a liberal kingdom of God—or even a "public option."From Guantánamo to gays in the military, the Obama administration has surely not been progressive in the way we have understood and used the term for two generations. A Democratic president who is not pushing for mandated universal health care and has no apparent interest in engaging issues of gay marriage and gun control is not the traditional liberal's long-expected messiah.Which puts the Fox News affair in an interesting light. To the base, the White House looks tough, willing to hit back—all while the base is getting few of the substantive reforms it has fought for. I am not suggesting that the Obama administration has staged the Fox protest as a bread-and-circuses ploy in order to give otherwise dissatisfied Democrats something to cheer, but no matter what the intention, the contretemps has made the White House seem more progressive than it is.The whole thing feels like the last war, or a song that has not worn well, or a guest who has overstayed his welcome. The White House–vs.–Fox News mini-saga belongs to an era that effectively ended last fall, when President Bush radically enlarged the role of the federal government in the economy and Obama won the presidency. It was clear then, and is even clearer now, that the issues which long defined the right-left divide (hawkishness abroad, a limited role for government at home) are in spectacular disarray.We have been here before. The analogous moments that most easily come to mind—moments of economic turmoil and political realignment—are 1933 and 1981. And so the 44th president has the chance—only the chance; success is not at all certain—to follow in the tradition of the two men who defined politics in the last 70 years: Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. FDR's transformed the role of the state, shaping reality for presidents from Truman to Carter. Then, after 1981, the eponymous Reagan Revolution politically replaced the ethos of the New Deal. Bill Clinton's announcement of the death of big government was, in its way, the apogee of Reaganism.But we are now living in a post-Roosevelt, post-Reagan universe. What comes next will not be post-partisan, because faction is an intrinsic human impulse. Nor, for the same reason, will it be post-ideological. The question, rather, is what new ideologies—or what new permutations of perennial ideological impulses—will form to order our politics in the face of asymmetrical warfare, religious extremism, and an intensely globalized economy. That is a developing story that no cable channel is likely to cover very well.
  •  10-24-2009, 2:02 PM 1168003 in reply to 1167930

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    I think Obama has made his policy choices clear. No investment banker left behind: no major financial institution will be allowed to fail, infinite free loans from the Fed, no serious regulations, and no new taxes to pay for the bailouts. But Obama will force the poor to be responsible by forcing them to buy health insurance via a mandate system at monopoly prices with no public option. And Obama has already chosen to escalate our foreign wars until we collapse.
  •  10-24-2009, 2:02 PM 1168004 in reply to 1167930

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    I think Obama has made his policy choices clear. No investment banker left behind: no major financial institution will be allowed to fail, infinite free loans from the Fed, no serious regulations, and no new taxes to pay for the bailouts. But Obama will force the poor to be responsible by forcing them to buy health insurance via a mandate system at monopoly prices with no public option. And Obama has already chosen to escalate our foreign wars until we collapse.
  •  10-24-2009, 9:29 PM 1168234 in reply to 1167930

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    The basis for your column is, presumably, the fact that the White House communications director, Anita Dunn, said "Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party". If that is not a fair assessment, the White House is being hypersensitive and a bully. If the assessment is fair, it seems eminently reasonable for her to point it out.

    Do you think she's right? Who knows? You made no attempt to assess the merits of the charge. Perhaps because, had you done so, you would have had to acknowledge that Dunn was right on target. A PIPA study found that Fox news viewers were three times more likely to have misconceptions about WMD's and Saddam being involved with 9/11 as viewers of any other network. If you think the purpose of a news magazine is to report the truth that would have been a good place to start.
  •  10-24-2009, 10:59 PM 1168270 in reply to 1167930

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    It is too much to credit Fox for Bush's re-election. I'll say it's an accident of history that was enabled by the need for unity at all costs post 9/11. But the gods of the history choose to teach us something through a cruel joke. Seemed we've all learned from it except still few Americans who still feeds on Fox's lies.
  •  10-24-2009, 11:11 PM 1168278 in reply to 1167930

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    Several months ago pundits and columnist went through great pains to warn the Obama against challenging Rush Limbaugh. Today we're still discussing rather Rush is the de facto leader of the Republican party, we're not discussing Obama challenging Rush. The WH understands that once the discussion begins, the perception is set. Obama is playing checkers...when are you guys going to put away your checkers set?
  •  10-24-2009, 11:22 PM 1168283 in reply to 1167930

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    More of Newsweek as the equivalent of FOX News...is either a news organization?
  •  10-24-2009, 11:29 PM 1168287 in reply to 1168003

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    The least informed posting, least documented opinion I have read in a long time. Your generalizations about a president who has been in office less than eleven months is ludicrous and premature. Obama may fail and our country will fail with him. However, it appears that some of the initiatives on the economic front are working albeit too slowly to produce the jobs we need to move out of this recession. We are drawing down our troops presence in Iraq in case you failed to notice. Bush already lead this country to a near collapse when Barack Obama was a senator when he should have been focused on the Al Qaida and Taliban in Afghanistan. There was no credible evidence of the "imminent threat of WMDs" nor did Iraq ever had the intercontinental capability to deliver WMDs to North America. It was all a figment of Dick Cheney's imagination which ended up benefiting Halliburton, the Defense industries and Blackwater Inc,
  •  10-25-2009, 12:26 AM 1168306 in reply to 1167930

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    a lot of people don't care about gun control john. if the most liberal of liberal.

    the way this country is going, i'm hanging on to my gun for now. i'm as liberal as they get, and i am VERY disappointed in Obama's facade of progressivism cloaking Bush-lite policies, but not because of guns. Single Payer now! Wall Street overhaul now! freeze on foreclosures now! free college for all now! If Obama doesn't being this country into the 21st century, I'm afraid it may soon look like 13th century Europe.
  •  10-25-2009, 9:41 AM 1168367 in reply to 1167930

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    Did the Obama administration "attack" Fox? Anita Dunn and others simply pointed out that Fox News really doesn't do the news, which should be obvious. On the other hand, Fox has falsely accused Barack Obama of being a foreigner and a secret Muslim and a terrorist and a Nazi and a communist and a socialist and a racist--- and that's just the highlights. Further, Fox has organized anti-Obama rallies by Teabaggers and 9/12 wingnuts.

    So, how many pieces has Jon Meacham written about Fox's ridiculous attacks on Barack Obama? Surely those attacks merit Mr. Meacham's attention, considering the fact that about 25% of the country don't believe that the President of the United States is an American. I'm a Newsweek subscriber and I suspect the number is a big fat zero. So why is Mr. Meacham giving Fox a pass? Is it because he's hoping Fox will hire him if the refashioned Newsweek doesn???t fly?

  •  10-25-2009, 1:20 PM 1168449 in reply to 1167930

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    This article is filled with fail, and feels more like GOP meme-war intended to divide the Dem base than a real progressive article.

    1 Oh boo hoo Obama isn't Kucinich! *yawn* Elect Kucinich if you want his policies.

    2. Finally addressing AfPak is not 'staying the Bush course'. It's a total reversal of the previous admin's policy of forgotten stagnation. If Pakistan falls, the extremist nutjobs that want nothing more than to nuke the US and Israel will have access to four dozen nuclear weapons. Pulling out is not an option, no matter how 'anti war' one is.

    3. Pursuing further gun control is political suicide. Even Dem leaning Independents like me will not only no longer trust any president that tries, but it may well be the spark that ignites rightard uprisings. Further, it's just not necessary. Further nanny-state restrictions on legal firearms will do nothing towards any positive end.

    4. Want to save lives? LEGALIZE DRUGS. It's the drug war, not legally owned firearms, that ruins lives and accounts for most gun violence. LEGALIZE. REGULATE. TAX. EDUCATE. Cartels will have no income and collapse, crime will drop to a small fraction of current. American jobs created, taxes collected, money saved on prisons and police. Enough revenue would be generated from legal marijuana alone to pay for single payer universal healthcare, including real drug education and rehab on demand.



    Less "zomg left right", more independent thought, please.
  •  10-25-2009, 1:29 PM 1168456 in reply to 1167930

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    Typical eastern mansintream media elitism. The slam at "cable", (although I will never have cable, but satellite) is the smug assertion that only news from the one-sided mainstream media is the truth. In fact,the only truth spoken by the mainstream media is when they give the time...and even then they have abused our trust so much that I question that.
  •  10-25-2009, 5:24 PM 1168635 in reply to 1167930

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    There is no denying that the Obama administration is moving the country in a more progressive direction than the previous administration, although not as aggressively as some had hoped. But I think the reason is not that Obama does not want to be more aggressive, but that he is very concerned about his own, and the democratic party's, political survival--he does not want to lose too much of the middle. Accordingly, progressive advances must move slowly and cautiously. And if the democrats can maintain a majority and eventually enlarge that majority, greater advances will be made in the years to come. By confronting Fox News, Obama is advancing that ultimate cause, not posing. It would be naive to think that constant attacks by Fox News channel, many of which are factually inaccurate, are not effective to some degree in hurting Obama and the democratic party. The fact that Fox was not able keep the Republicans in office during the last election does not mean they are not a powerful influence--it was just so obvious that the Republicans had screwed things up that most of the country was not persuaded by their 24/7 propaganda. Obama is simply taking a step that he believes is safe in terms of the reaction from independents but will indeed advance the progressive cause: calling out a purported news channel as basically an arm of the Republican party, and attempting to establish a policy of treating it as such. The real question is why many in the mainstream media are defending Fox as a legitimate news organization.
  •  10-26-2009, 9:47 AM 1168927 in reply to 1168635

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    No, the real question is not why ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN stood up for Fox. The real question is why many of you are defending the indefensible. These news organization knew that they could be next to be boycotted. One of our most cherished and basic right in this land was threatened last week. It doesn't matter what you think of Fox. You can think it is the most vile, hateful, biased media outlet in the country. It doesn't matter if you agree with President Obama that Fox is not a real news organization. All that really matters is that the President of the United States is attempting to stifle the freedom of the press. All Americans should protest loud and clear that the leader of the free world does not have the right to define what a news organization should be or should not be. David Axelrod actually admonished ABC's George Stephanopoulos that other news outlets should not treat Fox as a news organization. This accusation is clearly an attempt to intimidate the other media outlets in not following up on Fox's investigations (Van Jones and Acorn). ABC's correspondent, Jake Tapper, challenged Robert Gibbs on the administration's policy the next day.

    Richard Nixon had a Master List of Enemies, including the names of many journalists. Hugo Chavez has shut down radio and television stations that criticized him. President Obama is boycotting Fox. Freedom of the press, even one that is critical of the president, is the foundation of our country. The fact that many of you dislike Fox is not an excuse to circumvent the First Amendment.
  •  10-26-2009, 10:12 AM 1168938 in reply to 1168367

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    tcleave. It appears that you have been indoctrinated yourself. Although Fox has high ratings, it cannot compete with the combined liberal bias of NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, Newsweek, the New York Times and the other elite newspapers in the country. You should get your news from more diverse sources, not MSNBC. You are also confusing opinion driven shows with the actual news.

    You neglected to mention the "truthers". More than a third of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job. There are wack jobs on both ends of the ideology spectrum. Many of the people that believe that Obama was not born in the United States do not consider Hawaii to be part of our country. We are not talking about well informed and educated people here, are we?

    Jon Meacham is giving Fox a free pass because he is believes in the exercise of free speech of the press. Have you forgotten about the First Amendment?
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