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  •  10-30-2009, 2:23 PM 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    On a spring day last year, three months after the death of my younger son, Max, I opened my front door and saw a butterfly resting on the steps—an Eastern tiger swallowtail, I later determined, a species native to the Northeast but not one I remembered seeing before in the middle of Brooklyn. The date stuck in my mind because, as it happens, it was also my birthday. The butterfly, with its otherworldly beauty and silence, is, of course, a common metaphor for the soul. Its emergence from entombment as a chrysalis may have inspired ideas about human resurrection. In the newsletter of the Compassionate Friends, a support group for bereaved parents, the sudden appearance of butterflies (and birds, cloud formations, and particular songs on the radio) is sometimes cited as evidence of communication from beyond the grave. So let me be clear about where I stand: not only do I not believe it, but I can't understand why anyone would take comfort from it. I would hate to think of Max, with his fierce intelligence and tenacity, reduced to sending mute signals by way of insects.I was put in mind of this by reading a new book by Dinesh D'Souza, provocatively titled Life After Death: The Evidence, and I can't help wondering what D'Souza, a well-known conservative political commentator starting a second career as a Christian apologist, would make of my experience. To be consistent, he would have to say nothing at all: it is what scientists call anecdotal evidence, useless by definition, and D'Souza's book attempts to build a case on unshakable scientific grounds for the survival of consciousness beyond death. Ghosts, mediums, and miraculous cures by the intercession of saints play no role in his argument, which draws instead on quantum mechanics, neuroscience, and moral philosophy. Life After Death, along with other recent books including mathematician David Berlinski's The Devil’s Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, physicist Frank J. Tripler's The Physics of Christianity, and The Language of God by the director of the National Institutes of Health, the geneticist Francis S. Collins, constitutes an effort by believers to confront the so-called new atheism on its own intellectual turf, without benefit of scripture or revelation. D'Souza, who likens this to fighting with one hand tied behind his back, is a frequent debating opponent of prominent atheists including Christopher Hitchens (God Is Not Great) and Sam Harris (The End of Faith). He regards the emergence of such enemies as a God-given opportunity to bring Christian apologetics into the new century. "C. S. Lewis addressed issues from his own era, such as the Holocaust," D'Souza notes, "but today we have new questions—about Darwin, brain science, modern physics, and Islamic terrorism. The new atheists have done believers a favor by putting the issue of faith on the agenda. If I'd written this book 10 years ago, people would have asked, 'why?' "Some people may still ask. D'Souza takes it as given that we are all consumed with wondering what will happen to us after death, the way all Europeans were in medieval times, and D'Souza himself still is. Believers, of course, need no convincing on the subject of life after death, so D'Souza must address himself to skeptics, who presumably have made their peace with the expectation of personal annihilation. Skeptics may object to D'Souza's mode of argument, which is to state a proposition, present the evidence for both sides with an elaborate if spurious show of impartiality, and proceed briskly to the conclusion that his own preference is obviously the winner. But on some level, D'Souza believes, even skeptics would like to be convinced.The "evidence," of necessity, is indirect: D'Souza doesn't claim to have communicated with anyone who has died, and he doesn't expect to. Instead, he looks to the human heart, and finds therein a universal moral code underlying acts of self-sacrifice and charity that appear to run counter to the Darwinian imperative to outcompete thy neighbor. This is a time-honored argument for the existence of a God who created human beings in his image and imbued them with a moral sense, as well as the free will to follow, or ignore, it. Berlinski uses the argument in his book, and Collins credits it with turning him from atheism to evangelical Christianity. (D'Souza acknowledges that the prominent atheist Richard Dawkins has offered an evolutionary explanation for human goodness, but he doesn't buy it.) In a Jesuitical display that does credit to his reputation as "an Indian William F. Buckley Jr.," D'Souza turns to his advantage one of the atheists' favorite arguments, God's apparent tolerance for human suffering. Precisely because evil so often goes unpunished in this world, he asserts, the moral code must reflect another reality, in which souls are judged, punished, or rewarded after death. "The postulate of an afterlife enables us to make sense of this life," he writes. It worked for Dante, didn't it?And if that's not enough to convince you, D'Souza provides a checklist of benefits from believing in life after death: it keeps us honest, gives our lives "a sense of hope and purpose"—and "surveys show" that believers have better sex. It provides "a mechanism to teach our children right from wrong"—a mechanism that those who have been subjected to it tend to describe as a neurotic lifelong fear of going to Hell. And if your smart-alecky kid, full of all that Galileo stuff they get in school nowadays, should ask just where this Judgment business takes place, D'Souza provides you with a response. It happens in the multiverse, the infinitely multiplying complex of worlds predicted by some versions of quantum theory. In the multiverse, physical laws can take on different values, and matter itself may have a different form, so "there is nothing in physics to contradict the idea that we can live beyond death in other realms with bodies that are unlike the bodies we now possess."Admittedly, the multiverse, although a perfectly respectable concept in theoretical physics, is supported by no more empirical evidence than the soul itself. Afterlife studies, to coin a phrase, has been an empty field, at least until now. The AWARE study ("Awareness During Resuscitation") is looking at "near-death experiences" (NDEs)—the recollections of people who were revived after clinical death, defined as the absence of heartbeat and the cessation of measurable electrical activity in the brain. People with NDEs sometimes report out-of-body experiences, such as looking down on themselves from above and witnessing their own resuscitations. Obviously, if this is actually taking place—and not, say, a composite reconstruction of memories drawn from years of ER episodes—then the threshold requirement for life after death has been met: the separation of consciousness from the physical brain. "Near-death experiences show that clinical death may not be the end," D'Souza writes. Thus they support his larger point, that "neuroscience reveals that the mind cannot be reduced to the brain … consciousness and free will … seem to operate outside the laws of nature, and therefore are not subject to the laws governing the mortality of the body." The latter assertion has been at the crux of Western philosophy since Plato, but it's taken until now to devise an empirical test for it. In the AWARE study, randomly generated images will be projected in the rooms of critically ill patients, in locations where they can be viewed only from above—by someone having an out-of-body experience, for instance. If patients who survive NDEs can identify these images subsequently—well, not to overdramatize, but several centuries of materialism in the natural sciences will have to be rewritten. The director of AWARE is Dr. Sam Parnia, a fellow at Weill Cornell Medical Center. He told NEWSWEEK that researchers at 20 hospitals have identified about 600 subjects for interviews. Parnia expects to publish his results in 2010.I await Parnia's paper eagerly, although I can't imagine it will help fill the hole in my life left by the death of my son. Is there comfort in the idea that Max lives on as a disembodied consciousness in a parallel universe? I want him here with me now, and I would gladly trade my prospects for Eternity for the chance to hug him one more time. C. S. Lewis himself dismissed the capacity of faith to overcome bereavement. "Don't come talking to me about the consolations of religion," he wrote in A Grief Observed, "or I shall suspect that you don't understand."
  •  11-01-2009, 1:51 AM 1172627 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    I see no reason to believe in God, yet I believe without any doubt. There should be no reason to believe in God. I have never seen God. The person whom I associate with God, did not seem to have superhuman power's, like making water into wine, or stone to bread. In fact, he said, that if a person believed in God, because God could turn water into wine, and stone into bread, then that person was the most unfortunate person. He loved God, to such an extent, that he had an aversion to Gold, and the sexual instinct. Now, if a person can have an aversion to these things, because he loves God even more, then he has found God. He said, that one should look at all women, as manifestations of the divine mother. I found that I identified with that, because the most close relationship that a man can have with any lady, is that with his mother, according to me. He loved God, for no reason, and I love him, and revere him, as a result, for no reason. If a man needs a reason to love God, then he is lost. He will look for reasons, and not look to love God. Like the man I mentioned said, do you eat mangoes, or count the leaves of the mango tree? Does a person want to count the leaves of the mango tree? Does it satisfy him/her?
  •  11-01-2009, 12:25 PM 1172766 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    Not sure that all that focus on the after-life did much for the ancient Egyptians, but we sure have some awesome piles of stone to look at.

    Wonder what might have happened if they had put all that energy into improving their earthly lives, instead of mummifying half the country for the life after.

  •  11-01-2009, 7:00 PM 1172924 in reply to 1171680

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    Not to be too flip about it, but one can't let oneself be convinced about the existence of God simply because people are good. Yes, it may occasionally run afoul of Darwinian self-preservation, but so do many other human behaviors (e.g., unsafe sex, skydiving, binge drinking, etc.). I doubt that Mr. D'Souza would point to any of those other behaviors as proof of God. Rather, he should accept that we do things -- some good, some bad -- because, in the end, they end up firing the pleasure receptors in our brains. We spoil our kids because we enjoy their laughter and smiles. We give food to food banks so that we feel that we're part of a solution. Absolutely wonderful stuff, but take it for what it is.

    Another take on it is that what seems on the surface to be anti-Darwinian behavior is, in fact, very Darwinian. For example, the male peacock's bright feathers make him an obvious target for predators. But it makes him beautiful to the female, and that counts for a lot. A boy will engage in all kinds of risky behavior to impress a girl. He might even join a community organization to impress an idealistic girl. And that idealistic girl might expect her man to be consistently unselfish toward others, including her and her kids.

    Smart guy, that Darwin.
  •  11-01-2009, 11:52 PM 1173001 in reply to 1171680

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    First of all, anyone who thinks that a human moral sense is an argument AGAINST evolution simply doesn't understand evolution. The ability to cooperate can be as much a key to survival as the ability to compete. Just ask bees and ants. (I know, they don't have a moral sense, but I'm just saying that evolution does not necessarily lead to selfishness.) It's too big a topic to defend properly in this small space, but evolution explains the moral sense quite well.

    Second, you can trot out all the advantages you want regarding the mental health, happiness, longevity, etc, of people who believe in God and and afterlife. But even were I to accept that believing in God is the only path to those rewards (and I DON'T accept that to begin with), I can't MAKE myself believe in God. Believing in Santa would save me a fortune in Christmas gifts, but my kids will be disappointed. Believing in something doesn't make it exist, and trying to believe is almost a contradiction in terms.

    So kudos to those who believe and are comforted by that, but it just doesn't work for me.
  •  11-02-2009, 10:04 AM 1173126 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    It might be alot easier for all to accept the possibility of life after death if the concept were not originated from the god theorists and that most of the hardest core evil ever done on this planet was done in the name of one god or another.
  •  11-02-2009, 12:46 PM 1173278 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    Bottom Line. Either one believes or does not believe. Problem is we are so quick to criticize people on the other side of this argument no matter where they stand. If people find comfort in believing there is life after death, then let them. If people just cannot wrap their heads around the concept, then let them. We are always trying to force our beliefs and god forsaken opinions on everyone. Live and let Believe or Not Believe.
  •  11-02-2009, 12:47 PM 1173279 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    There are signs that there is a power greater than ourselves. Look around, see how everything is connected. Search for proof of life after death and you will find it. Conquer that fear. Research saints, they all died young. Why, because they fulfilled their purpose. We are bitter after someone dies because we don't want to live without them.It's purely selfishness on our part.
  •  11-02-2009, 12:47 PM 1173280 in reply to 1171680

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    "that most of the hardest core evil ever done on this planet was done in the name of one god or another.
    "
    Actually the worst atoricities and genocide were commited by atheistic regimes such as Stahlin and Hitler....
  •  11-02-2009, 12:48 PM 1173283 in reply to 1171680

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    That will scare the Liberals. Just yhink how upset they are going to be when we tell them we are again able to pray.
  •  11-02-2009, 12:50 PM 1173285 in reply to 1171680

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    The C S Lewis quote is taken entirely out of context and, too, "fatih" is not synonymous with "religion."
  •  11-02-2009, 12:50 PM 1173286 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    Having actually had an experience that let me understand some of what the other side is all about, I can simply say that everyone will have an opinion; especially those who have NOT experienced the other side. I chuckel when I read about the phrase "near death experience" as if someone didn't want us to think anyone else had ever been there and come back. I was dead, I came back. End of story. Wha is interesting is what happened after life and during my experience of the other side. i will not go into that here for one reason, I would simply share what happened to me and me alone, as I have no idea what awaits anyone else. My experience however, was as wonderful as it gets and coming back, was a real disaapointment UNTIL I realized, I simply wasn't finished here and yes, I have come to realize why as well. If we want to understand the other side, I refer everone to the saying by Stephen Hawking; "Too often we think of ourselves as human beings, here for some kind of spiritual experience, when the truth is, we are simply spirit beings, here for a human experience." Once we can understand the truth of that idea, we will also come to understand the big picture.
    Enjoy your walk!
  •  11-02-2009, 12:54 PM 1173289 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    "I want him here with me now, and I would gladly trade my prospects for Eternity for the chance to hug him one more time."

    If he came back, either you or him would one day leave again. If you want to hug him forever, that would be Eternity. In the after life, you can hug him much closer and longer because the limitations of the flesh does not exist.
  •  11-02-2009, 12:54 PM 1173291 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    The "evidence" cited is pretty weak. I have always wondered why near-death experiences are cited as evidence for an afterlife. Obviously these persons didn't actually die, so they didn't actually experience the afterlife. I don't think that God would be bound by the concept of "clinical death" with regard to when a person would begin the afterlife. It's still a matter of faith.
  •  11-02-2009, 12:54 PM 1173294 in reply to 1171680

    Heaven Can Wait

    I urge all of you to please read the Bible It is all the proof that you will ever need. I do not wish to argue and try to convince anyone of the existense of God. God's word will open your eyes like never before. It may take some time to digest, as I have yet to understand every facet of God's word. I will say a prayer for everyone that has posted on this webiste about this article.
    I will leave you with one thought to ponder, "What if you are wrong about God?" An eternity in hell awaits you, so I ask, is it worth it?
    God Loves us all! He wants you to want to have a relationsip with Him.

    Eddie
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